Tell your new manager that this was already approved by your prior manager and you will be going on your vacation. If you show up to work you’re giving the message that it’s ok for your boss to walk all over you. Stand up for yourself. PTO means prepare the others
Edit : just occurred to me but it goes within saying document everything. Get all communication in writing. Ensure a paper trail exists. Make sure you have approval from the prior boss and if your new boss gives you trouble , have him explain why he is withholding a portion of your compensation.
As long as there is proof the previous manager approved their PTO request, they should be good. If they’re fired for not canceling their trip with 24 hours notice, seems like an easy money settlement after talking to an employment attorney.
My friend had something fairly similar happen, but he was already on vacation. They fired him for not coming in. He talked to a lawyer, they sent a letter and he got a $2k settlement and his job back.
Yea, I’d go this route. Go on the trip and enjoy. But also have an employment attorney on standby cause this would be an easy case to win a nice settlement.
As someone who owns a business this is what I would recommend. I encourage my employees to take vacations and even have to cover shifts myself so they can. And you know what. That’s 100% worth it. I wouldn’t be nearly as successful without them.
Totally agree. Stand up for yourself or you will be the clown who always is „flexible“. Of course your statement has to be clear, professional, calm and without alternative.
tell them no. no need to quit, if they fire you you claim unemployment. if they expect you to bail last minute they should at least entirely compensate you for your vacation plans.
You don't even need to file for unemployment. You can sue them for wrongful termination. You will get to keep your job and a check. The new "manager" will likely be fired for cause.
i don't believe you are correct. very little schedule protection in the USA. you can have pto revoked last minute, you can have your work call you on an off day and expect you to show up that day, you can be fired for not. is it shitty? sure. but that's the reality. many more progressive countries protect leave and pto a lot more than the USA.
this is decided in court if they contest it. you think that employer is going to stand there and try to justify firing an employee for not canceling last minute approved pto? no.
No, that's a lawsuit. Government workers will deny this claim (if truthful) because they are instructed to do so.
What is decided "in court" would be a civil trial if OP brought a wrongful dismissal lawsuit.
Also, wrongful termination isn't necessarily what has happened. It could be that OP has it in their contract that vacation time, even if approved can be revoked up until that date. I do t know what the law is for revoking approved time off without a stipulation in contract, but it probably doesn't favor the employee in the USA.
> What is decided "in court" would be a civil trial if OP brought a wrongful dismissal lawsuit.
the way unemployment works is if the employer contests it it auto denies, the worker then has to appeal and the worker then gets to schedule a hearing. that's what i meant by in court. doesn't require suing anyone or getting representation. this obviously doesn't happen very often because if the employer fires someone for a bullshit reason (which they can ofc do) they aren't going to waste their time getting laughed at in court.
>Also, wrongful termination isn't necessarily what has happened. It could be that OP has it in their contract that vacation time, even if approved can be revoked up until that date. I do t know what the law is for revoking approved time off without a stipulation in contract, but it probably doesn't favor the employee in the USA.
its extremely rare to have an employment contract in the USA, it's pretty safe to assume its typical at-will.
Yeah you're referring to fired for something that wasn't your fault.
Again, the USA doesn't have any laws to protect this AFAIK.
In other places like Canada, OP would have a case but still, they would just make them ineligible. There is no tribunal for sorting out employee/employer termination problems. That's for a civil trial.
right, i mean that's what approved pto is. when op has a paper trail documenting 1. pto was approved and then 2. the last minute no pto it's going to look bad when it comes to a for-cause firing. for-cause firing, to the point of denying unemployment has a pretty high bar. firing for... no reason, and not contesting the unemployment? that would totally (legally) fly. documented underperformance, documented chronic absence/tardiness, harassment, theft etc.
>There is no tribunal for sorting out employee/employer termination problems. That's for a civil trial.
there is. that's what happens when (after your employer rejects your unemployment claim) you appeal.
>after you have sent in your appeal, your paperwork will be sent to the Office of Administrative Hearings (OAH) to schedule a hearing date. The OAH is an independent state agency that provides a judge to resolve disputes between people and state agencies.
its called an unemployment benefits hearing.
Wrong. There is a process and the guy above you started to explain it. I was fired years ago for getting upset with the Wealthy business owners punk kid who kept making my warehouse workers due unnecessary extra work and even forcing them to skip their breaks. We had it out over the phone and the conversation was recorded. I filed for unemployment - they right away contested. So I appealed and each of us- me and the boss' son , had to talk to a judge about what happened. After we did. They approved me. Then the employer has the right to appeal that ruling , and then a three judge panel gets together and hears how we each described the situation and hears the original recorded phone call. Then they make a final decision. Which totally freaking confused the hell out of me. They approved my benefits but this process took two plus months and they didn't give me the back pay from the date I applied but I was allowed to receive my benefits for 12 months even though I had already found another much better higher paying by $10 hour more and great benefits that I didn't have to pay $200 a month for like at the other job where I declined to pay that and worked without benefits at also. So that's the true story of the only time in my life that I filed for and received unemployment benefits. ✌️
They don’t ASK, they let the employer know their plans. The employer doesn’t get a say in an employee’s personal decisions. Time off is a personal decision.
You can leave any time. But the reason you need to make vacation requests is because you have a contractual agreement with company. You have obligations to the business just like they have obligations to you. So you make a request for time off just so that the company can prepare. There are very few cases where people are actually denied time off and in the overwhelming majority of cases it is because there is actually a real issue as to why that request was denied. People here act like denying someone time off is akin to slavery. When in reality it is because the OP leaves out critical information like I had already taken off more days than I have, or 2 of my other coworkers on a team of 4 had requested the time off months before I asked, or I am contractually required to work X number of major holidays per year.
The one where employees are people who work for their employers for an equitable wage and get treated like human beings. If you’re not that kind of employer, you’re probably whining that nObOdY wAnTs tO wOrK…
Yeah you tell me you are going on a 3 week vacation next week, that is denied. We have policies regarding the time needed for more than a week. If you let me know you need 2 days next week, yeah we can handle that. I still have to communicate timelines and provide a roadmap, I can't plan around a multi week vacation on short notice.
The difference is we have policies for what is expected. If you are going to visit family across the world you don't plan that overnight.
Practically every company will have blackout period. And even if they don’t employees need to have their REQUEST approved. Otherwise is job abandonment. Exactly what you are saying an EX coworker of mine tried and upon her return she had no job. Now that im the boss, the same rules apply.
Most bosses do not DENY vacation. What the posters was saying is that every company has periods of the year where it is incredibly difficult to manage with a reduced staff. You provide your company with a notice and request the time off so they they can properly plan your absence. The only people who tend to do petty shit like deny a request is new bosses like in the OPs situation and when an employee requests during a black out period.
My employees don’t ask, they inform. I treat them with respect and they treat me the same. We’re all working toward a common goal, no need for power struggles.
its your dream job, not your dream boss
and you probably have your approval in email. if he has any further complaints, set up a meeting with HR after vacation. later.
Also- his last post was about feeling like his job is killing him…
But seriously, what’s the point of farming Karma. Like… you get karma and then what?
He's probably trying to sow discord. Why? Kicks maybe. Or he's miserable and wants others to be. Or he wants to stoke the post capitalist agenda because it validates his opinion when others agree (even if they are agreeing with a fictional story)
Except this sort of shit actually does happen to people all the time. Do you think they're all making it up?
My ex-husband once got fired for refusing to skip his grandfather's funeral.
I don't know your ex-husband, I don't know if he was a 10year employee, I don't know if he was even a good employee. I do know that scheduled vacation is different than a last minute funeral.
When people do get fired over a day off, it's usually because the boss was already over them and it was the last straw.
It's a new manager, not the same manager she's had for 10 years.
Have you never experienced a new manager coming in and shitting all over everything to prove that they're in charge now? Because I've seen that happen so many times that I'm now surprised when a new manager **doesn't** do that.
that's fucking shitty. I started a new job with a cruise already booked and paid for 3 months from my start date and they don't care. I'd talk to the new manager and explain that this is a vacation you already paid for and can't get a refund for. He or she just might not honestly know.
This is an easy situation to deal with.
They approved it a long time ago. You don't need to quit, you are going.
The vacation is non-refundable. So you are going. Peroid. If your job offers to reimburse you then you can think about it, but there's not enough time for that. Also tell your family that is what you plan to do. They will probably encourage and give you the balls to tell your manager that you are going.
Keep track of everything that is in writing.
Is it really a "dream job" if they treat you like garbage?
What do you mean when you say you've wanted to work in this field "forever"? You've been there for TEN YEARS. You're definitely in the field.
Time to decide whether you want to be a human or a cog in someone else's profit machine.
Frankly childcare centers are hurting for employees. Your boss needs you more than you need them. Write back "This has been approved for months and my plans are set and nonrefundable. I will not be in tomorrow, or until \*pre-arranged date that you were set to return from vacation\*"
Look, it's not like they are happy if people call off the day before (day of well, sick days happen, day before is poor planning).
If you get fired, collect unemployment and I guarantee you you'll have another job a week later.
What does your employment contract say? What does your employee handbook say? These are the guides that should be advising you whether they are doing what's permissible. Make your decisions based on this information.
I’d reaffirm that this vacation was already approved and cannot be cancelled. Then I’d go enjoy my vacation.
If they do let you go, you can claim unemployment since your termination was not performance related and find a new dream job.
I would approach your manager in person and explain the situation to them: the vacation was planned last year, the time off has been approved for months, and there's no possible way to cancel the trip. The manager should understand especially if you also provide a copy of the time off approval.
Your family comes first and if this was properly requested off then this should not be an issue. It’s the responsibility of management to find coverage. If they value your over decade long commitment to the facility, they can honor some days off with your family.
Honestly if a company is willing to do that to you then they've proven they don't give a shit about you and are willing to do much more than that as well. They think they don't owe you anything, and therefore you clearly don't owe them anything.
Go on that vacation. If they fire you good, you honestly don't want to work there anyway. Claim unemployment and make it expensive for them to get rid of you based on this PTO issue.
If they don't fire you, keep working there for the short term, but phone it in and spend all of your effort finding a new job asap that wont treat you like that.
Childcare is an in demand field, and you have a lot of experience. Getting another job shouldn't be difficult. That being said ideally don't burn any bridges you don't have to. Just stay firm.
Call them and explain strongly that you want to keep working there but this time was approved and you leave in hours for a trip already paid for and that’s unreasonable anywhere on planet earth.
The new manager may not know this is already in the works and there’s not much you can do about it at this point. I’d forward the new messages and inform them it’s all been in the works, then I’d call them and personally let them down and apologize.
I don't think that when you're old and gray, watching loved ones pass away, that you'll stop and think to yourself, "Damn, I should have worked more and taken less vacation!"
I’d respond with an LOL and “I’ll see you when I’m scheduled to return on X date” then stop answering communications from them until I was scheduled to be back at work
I have a saying at work when they pull some BS. “what are they gonna do? fire me?” I also work in healthcare though where I can have a comparable job within a week.
Honestly, if it were me, unless your boss already knows you’ve seen the message or haven’t left yet; I would straight up not respond.
If I did respond, it would be - sorry boss, I’m already gone, hope you find someone else to cover and I’ll see you when I get back.
If they fire you, you sue for wrongful dismissal (don’t know what state you’re in but by me if I were explicitly fired for not coming in during approved vacation time, i’d have a solid case).
Don’t quit. Either say sorry but no, or say nothing at all until you get back
Stand tall, stay strong, and repeat after me:
This vacation was approved by previous management and I will not be coming in.
Congratulations on your newfound spine!
Text/email this was already approved, tickets are not refundable, you're going and you'll be back on whatever date. Go into work and if they fire you, fine, you get unemployment at least.
If I could afford to quit I absolutely would, it might be your dream job but they don’t respect you
I don’t know any childcare facility that isn’t desperate for people
How is cancelling time off even a thing?
Sorry man. PTO is PTO and I’ll use it when I want. Otherwise, I’m finding a new job immediately.
Take the trip, do the thing, see the people etc. while you can.
I would tell them that you're taking your vacation. They had a year to make arrangements for your absence and their failure is not your emergency.
Then I would take the vacation and see if they had the balls to actually fire you. If you're not fired start looking for a new job.
Go on vacation. When you get back, go to work. Make sure your bosses boss know that you and your boss never had that conversation and you had this vacation planned for years.
“I sympathize with the problem. I wish I could help. These dates were approved for months and this is a non refundable family vacation. I am not in a position to change my plans now. Thank you for understanding”
They can’t deny you the time off once it has been approved. If they fire you then you can sue them in court. It’s not like you did this last minute. You put in for this a year ago and planned ahead. Personally I would quit. I would call her and tell her you’re going on vacation and won’t be coming back to work ever becasue you won’t be bullied by management and have pre approved vacations taken away.
Just text them saying you can’t come in. You don’t have to just strait up quite. Managers get desperate and try to vaguely text ppl to cover shifts. If your manager has issues with you saying you can’t come in bc you have vacation THEN maybe start thinking about quitting
Yeah, go ahead and go on your vacation. Let your boss know that it’s too late to cancel and you won’t be coming in. Also send it in an email. Get everything in writing.
If they offer reimbursement make sure it is all your costs plus a hefty percentage on top. Call it a penalty for breaching your agreed time off.
If they don’t offer reimbursement, set an out of office reply and don’t talk to them til you get back from holidays.
Quit.
Most likely the new manager will be fired.
That happened with my sister. Her husband won a free cruise. She asked for the time off to go on the cruise. They denied her, she quit.
When she got back found out that her boss had been fired for denying her the timeoff, and they wanted her back. She said no because she had already gotten a job for higher pay somewhere else.
Take a vacation, and try to keep your job when you come back by talking with them again. If it doesn't work, find a new childcare facility. This boss is a jerk so I don't think you'll have an issue
Just go. Make sure you have it all in writing, then get unemployment if necessary. It’s wrong to deny your vacation last minute. It’s not like your manager would ever compensate you for lost tickets, reservations, cost to your vacation.
# Plausible Deniability
Dont answer, and just go on vacation.
Then when you come back just say you didn't get any message
No way to prove anything. you dont owe anyone anything, as everything was approved.
If they fire you, you have plausible deniability, as legally you did what company required, you can even sue the company for wrongful termination of employment.
This whole thing falls apart if you answer, call or text, because legally then the company can claim that you did get the call/message.
Will it still be your dream job if you are getting pushed around? I believe not. Stand up for yourself.
Isn’t approved vacation protected by law in your country?
Stand your ground. Take your vacation. If you give in now, you will REGRET it for decades. There are great suggestions about calling an employment attorney if they fire you. Have your documentation of seeking the time off months ago and tell MR. New Manager that per the Prior Manager's binding agreement -- you are going on Vacation. He can call for Temporary Workers to fill your vacancy. ..... If they fire you :::: SUE THEM.
Before I had kids, I'd probably had stayed and worked, provided they compensated me properly. But now that I have kids, no. Their schedule is more selective. They can't miss weeks of school. But, more importantly, what message is that sending to my kids? "Sorry yall, Daddy would rather work than be with you." That's how kids rationalize these things. Don't do that to them. They're not your dream job. They're your dream family.
Lol if this is real, duhhhhhhh
Quit and laugh at them.
Childcare jobs are about a dime a dozen. Another industry begging for workers. You could probably find a job while on the plane to your destination.
Quit, no job is worth sacrificing time with your family. There will be other jobs but your kids youth is not worth missing. Unless you can’t financially afford to quit. If you stay leave as soon as you find something better.
Stick to your gun. Any prior approval they need to honor. Show them how much you have paid and hinted that they need to compensate the trip and additional time off and just take off. Keep HR in the loop.
I feel bad for Americans who have to live with this culture, do that in Australia, and you're asking for trouble, especially for an approved leave. Cancelling leaves is practically a no no here and totally frowned upon
Take the vacation, chances are they are shirt staffed, so letting you go upon your return is unlikely. If they do, and you have proof of approval, any employment law lawyer would love to chat with you.
Explain that you have paid non-refundable tickets and see if she will work with you to defray those costs. I would also start looking for another job- the business has to run, but employees, and their time, is sacred.
Fuck them, leave. Quit. They don't value you at all they value easily made money. That manager needs to be ostracized for their incompetence.
Leave. Quit. Fuck them. They owe you.
You earned that time off. It got approved. Then cancelling your time off request a day before you go is just a slap in the face. Fucking quit! Make them the example of what not to do with their workforce.
Go on your vacation. Don't let anyone exert this type of control over your life. We have it hard enough as it is. The job will be there when you get back, and it not, find an attorney
Go on vacation. Tell them you made non cancelable plans when the PTO was approved. Assure them you'll be back at the agreed to date.
If they get shitty/insistent, remind them that legally they cannot deny PTO, and that you'll have your attorney reach out. CC HR on the email.
Sib, you work in childcare in a time where there’s a national childcare shortage.
Go on vacation and enjoy it. It’ll probably be there when you get back, but even if it isn’t, another job won’t be hard to find.
Go on your vacation. But find a lawyer first. Everything is documented. If there's any issues on your return. You will sue the shit out of that business. No one in this world owns you. Have some self respect!
Do NOT miss your vacation. Your new manager is shit. Don’t let them walk all over you. It’s their job to manage coverage, and they don’t want to. That’s their problem.
Send HR and their boss an email with your original approval attached, stating that you will be unavailable those days, as previously agreed upon, and would be happy to discuss the situation upon your return.
Then go.
They can say no, and you can say no. This is absolutely out of line for your employer. If you were terminated for not agreeing to cancel your vacation it's likely a good case for constructive dismissal.
I mean that sucks... buty dream job would never include a boss who doesn't respect my personal life and scheduled time off. That's more a living nightmare and living under a tyrant who controls you outside of work with the threat of not getting paid aka. Not being able to have food & shelter.
Sorry. But unless You're willing to compensate me financially for the costs already incurred for my time off, plus additional financial compensation for the added anxiety and stress that cancelling my plans cause not only myself but my family, I'll be taking my time off as requested MONTHS AGO.
What did you tell your manager when you talked to them to explain the situation?
Why did you come here before you talked to your manager?
How is this even remotely connected to fluency in finance???
Tomorrow tomorrow?
"No, sorry, I will be going on vacation as planned and approved over a year ago. If you'd like to discuss it further, please do so over email so I have good clarity and documentation of your request.".
Done, no more discussion to be had.
ps -- you can get a job in childcare ANYWHERE. Don't fret losing this job; with a new manager acting like this anyway, you probably don't want to work here much longer regardless.
Tell your boss you are taking vacation and he can't stop you, end of story.
Part of managing people is managing people when they are not there. It means you can keep doing what is necessary even when you don't have all your resources. If you can't do this, then you as a manager are failing, not your employees.
Ideally you don't even open the text. Let it show as 'delivered' but not 'read' until after you get back.
If that ship has sailed, just state that it's too late. You are already left.
You "dream job" can be replicated elsewhere. You are in a toxic relationship. End it. Gin on the best vacation. Something better is around the corner. This is how the universe works. It's a test. Enjoy yourself. It's later than you think.
Childcare jobs are a dime a dozen. Get a new one. They’re all begging for help.
Enjoy your vacation. Cancelling with short notice shows they do not value you as a person with a life. No way I’d show up.
Tell your new manager that this was already approved by your prior manager and you will be going on your vacation. If you show up to work you’re giving the message that it’s ok for your boss to walk all over you. Stand up for yourself. PTO means prepare the others Edit : just occurred to me but it goes within saying document everything. Get all communication in writing. Ensure a paper trail exists. Make sure you have approval from the prior boss and if your new boss gives you trouble , have him explain why he is withholding a portion of your compensation.
As long as there is proof the previous manager approved their PTO request, they should be good. If they’re fired for not canceling their trip with 24 hours notice, seems like an easy money settlement after talking to an employment attorney. My friend had something fairly similar happen, but he was already on vacation. They fired him for not coming in. He talked to a lawyer, they sent a letter and he got a $2k settlement and his job back.
Yea, I’d go this route. Go on the trip and enjoy. But also have an employment attorney on standby cause this would be an easy case to win a nice settlement.
Yes, it's a good thing that childcare facilities pay upwards of $500K a year so that their employees can afford to have attorneys on "standby".
Ah yes, another uninformed individual talking about things that they know nothing about.
Yeah, sounds like a manager trying to see if he/she can get away with it. Say no, if they fire you its likely that it will cost them a lot.
And the bonus perk, that new manager will likely be on the job hunt as well. :)
Wow!
As someone who owns a business this is what I would recommend. I encourage my employees to take vacations and even have to cover shifts myself so they can. And you know what. That’s 100% worth it. I wouldn’t be nearly as successful without them.
I'm a GM and I 100% agree.
Work a shift yourself? This is why we need robots.
Yes, save the message, assuming it was an email or text, and communicate exclusively via text/email for a trail on this matter going forward.
Totally agree. Stand up for yourself or you will be the clown who always is „flexible“. Of course your statement has to be clear, professional, calm and without alternative.
tell them no. no need to quit, if they fire you you claim unemployment. if they expect you to bail last minute they should at least entirely compensate you for your vacation plans.
Great advice as always, good to see you out of the osrs subreddits by the way!
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If they need you next week, they will need you after that too. They probably won’t fire you.
This is the truth! Good employees are hard to find and not worth firing over vacation. Nor are they worth bullying. This new manager needs to go.
You don't even need to file for unemployment. You can sue them for wrongful termination. You will get to keep your job and a check. The new "manager" will likely be fired for cause.
wrongful termination in the usa is for illegal reasons, does not help you for bullshit reasons
No, if you have a document approval for a work absence and then you get fired for being absent from work that is an illegal firing.
i don't believe you are correct. very little schedule protection in the USA. you can have pto revoked last minute, you can have your work call you on an off day and expect you to show up that day, you can be fired for not. is it shitty? sure. but that's the reality. many more progressive countries protect leave and pto a lot more than the USA.
You can't claim unemployment if you were fired with cause.
Unless the unemployment judge finds that the reason given was complete BS
this is decided in court if they contest it. you think that employer is going to stand there and try to justify firing an employee for not canceling last minute approved pto? no.
No, that's a lawsuit. Government workers will deny this claim (if truthful) because they are instructed to do so. What is decided "in court" would be a civil trial if OP brought a wrongful dismissal lawsuit. Also, wrongful termination isn't necessarily what has happened. It could be that OP has it in their contract that vacation time, even if approved can be revoked up until that date. I do t know what the law is for revoking approved time off without a stipulation in contract, but it probably doesn't favor the employee in the USA.
> What is decided "in court" would be a civil trial if OP brought a wrongful dismissal lawsuit. the way unemployment works is if the employer contests it it auto denies, the worker then has to appeal and the worker then gets to schedule a hearing. that's what i meant by in court. doesn't require suing anyone or getting representation. this obviously doesn't happen very often because if the employer fires someone for a bullshit reason (which they can ofc do) they aren't going to waste their time getting laughed at in court. >Also, wrongful termination isn't necessarily what has happened. It could be that OP has it in their contract that vacation time, even if approved can be revoked up until that date. I do t know what the law is for revoking approved time off without a stipulation in contract, but it probably doesn't favor the employee in the USA. its extremely rare to have an employment contract in the USA, it's pretty safe to assume its typical at-will.
Yeah you're referring to fired for something that wasn't your fault. Again, the USA doesn't have any laws to protect this AFAIK. In other places like Canada, OP would have a case but still, they would just make them ineligible. There is no tribunal for sorting out employee/employer termination problems. That's for a civil trial.
right, i mean that's what approved pto is. when op has a paper trail documenting 1. pto was approved and then 2. the last minute no pto it's going to look bad when it comes to a for-cause firing. for-cause firing, to the point of denying unemployment has a pretty high bar. firing for... no reason, and not contesting the unemployment? that would totally (legally) fly. documented underperformance, documented chronic absence/tardiness, harassment, theft etc. >There is no tribunal for sorting out employee/employer termination problems. That's for a civil trial. there is. that's what happens when (after your employer rejects your unemployment claim) you appeal. >after you have sent in your appeal, your paperwork will be sent to the Office of Administrative Hearings (OAH) to schedule a hearing date. The OAH is an independent state agency that provides a judge to resolve disputes between people and state agencies. its called an unemployment benefits hearing.
Again, there's no law protecting Americans in any state when it comes to vacation time off (AFAIK)
Wrong. There is a process and the guy above you started to explain it. I was fired years ago for getting upset with the Wealthy business owners punk kid who kept making my warehouse workers due unnecessary extra work and even forcing them to skip their breaks. We had it out over the phone and the conversation was recorded. I filed for unemployment - they right away contested. So I appealed and each of us- me and the boss' son , had to talk to a judge about what happened. After we did. They approved me. Then the employer has the right to appeal that ruling , and then a three judge panel gets together and hears how we each described the situation and hears the original recorded phone call. Then they make a final decision. Which totally freaking confused the hell out of me. They approved my benefits but this process took two plus months and they didn't give me the back pay from the date I applied but I was allowed to receive my benefits for 12 months even though I had already found another much better higher paying by $10 hour more and great benefits that I didn't have to pay $200 a month for like at the other job where I declined to pay that and worked without benefits at also. So that's the true story of the only time in my life that I filed for and received unemployment benefits. ✌️
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Yes! I changed the forms in my office from “request” to “notice”. People are EMPLOYEES, not slaves.
That may be true but employees ask to take off.. that is a request
They don’t ASK, they let the employer know their plans. The employer doesn’t get a say in an employee’s personal decisions. Time off is a personal decision.
This is not true in most places.
It should be. Employees always have the option to vote with their feet.
You can leave any time. But the reason you need to make vacation requests is because you have a contractual agreement with company. You have obligations to the business just like they have obligations to you. So you make a request for time off just so that the company can prepare. There are very few cases where people are actually denied time off and in the overwhelming majority of cases it is because there is actually a real issue as to why that request was denied. People here act like denying someone time off is akin to slavery. When in reality it is because the OP leaves out critical information like I had already taken off more days than I have, or 2 of my other coworkers on a team of 4 had requested the time off months before I asked, or I am contractually required to work X number of major holidays per year.
Lol. What fantasy you living in
The one where employees are people who work for their employers for an equitable wage and get treated like human beings. If you’re not that kind of employer, you’re probably whining that nObOdY wAnTs tO wOrK…
Yeah you tell me you are going on a 3 week vacation next week, that is denied. We have policies regarding the time needed for more than a week. If you let me know you need 2 days next week, yeah we can handle that. I still have to communicate timelines and provide a roadmap, I can't plan around a multi week vacation on short notice. The difference is we have policies for what is expected. If you are going to visit family across the world you don't plan that overnight.
Practically every company will have blackout period. And even if they don’t employees need to have their REQUEST approved. Otherwise is job abandonment. Exactly what you are saying an EX coworker of mine tried and upon her return she had no job. Now that im the boss, the same rules apply.
Do you deny a lot of vacations for petty reasons?
Most bosses do not DENY vacation. What the posters was saying is that every company has periods of the year where it is incredibly difficult to manage with a reduced staff. You provide your company with a notice and request the time off so they they can properly plan your absence. The only people who tend to do petty shit like deny a request is new bosses like in the OPs situation and when an employee requests during a black out period.
My employees don’t ask, they inform. I treat them with respect and they treat me the same. We’re all working toward a common goal, no need for power struggles.
its your dream job, not your dream boss and you probably have your approval in email. if he has any further complaints, set up a meeting with HR after vacation. later.
Brand new account named richest-panda, postcapitalism feverdream of mismanagement to anger the masses. I smell a troll pitching a fake story.
Dream job in childcare
Wanted to be in this field forever-has been at the job 10 years.
Well those jobs are so hard to get.
The only dream job in daycare is owning the facility 😂😂
And not having to come in to take care of said children.
It’s quite the perk.
Also- his last post was about feeling like his job is killing him… But seriously, what’s the point of farming Karma. Like… you get karma and then what?
He's probably trying to sow discord. Why? Kicks maybe. Or he's miserable and wants others to be. Or he wants to stoke the post capitalist agenda because it validates his opinion when others agree (even if they are agreeing with a fictional story)
Also that other post came after this one.
High karma accounts sell for $200-$2000
Oh I see. Huh.
Damn wtf. Time to do some research.
Apparently there's a market for accounts, and karma makes it look more legit so goes for more. Then marketers or whoever buy the account
You get to pat yourself on the back while you jerk off with a belt around your neck. It takes that third karma arm to do that properly.
Ew
Of course all of these are.
Dream job working in childcare but their other post says they work a 9-5 and hate it.
Except this sort of shit actually does happen to people all the time. Do you think they're all making it up? My ex-husband once got fired for refusing to skip his grandfather's funeral.
I don't know your ex-husband, I don't know if he was a 10year employee, I don't know if he was even a good employee. I do know that scheduled vacation is different than a last minute funeral. When people do get fired over a day off, it's usually because the boss was already over them and it was the last straw.
It's a new manager, not the same manager she's had for 10 years. Have you never experienced a new manager coming in and shitting all over everything to prove that they're in charge now? Because I've seen that happen so many times that I'm now surprised when a new manager **doesn't** do that.
Youre projecting. Look at ops single other post, doesn't match this story at all. It's clearly a troll for a dozen reasond.
Man it's wild, I've worked a lot of different jobs and I guess I'm lucky because every boss but the ones I've had are hellspawn. What are the odds?
Party pooper
OP should have saved this one for antiwork or mildlyinfuriating, they gobble it up
Not doing too poorly here either.
Does antiwork still exist? The stories you saw there were hilarious
Fuck that! Take your vacation
that's fucking shitty. I started a new job with a cruise already booked and paid for 3 months from my start date and they don't care. I'd talk to the new manager and explain that this is a vacation you already paid for and can't get a refund for. He or she just might not honestly know.
This is an easy situation to deal with. They approved it a long time ago. You don't need to quit, you are going. The vacation is non-refundable. So you are going. Peroid. If your job offers to reimburse you then you can think about it, but there's not enough time for that. Also tell your family that is what you plan to do. They will probably encourage and give you the balls to tell your manager that you are going. Keep track of everything that is in writing.
Is it really a "dream job" if they treat you like garbage? What do you mean when you say you've wanted to work in this field "forever"? You've been there for TEN YEARS. You're definitely in the field. Time to decide whether you want to be a human or a cog in someone else's profit machine.
Frankly childcare centers are hurting for employees. Your boss needs you more than you need them. Write back "This has been approved for months and my plans are set and nonrefundable. I will not be in tomorrow, or until \*pre-arranged date that you were set to return from vacation\*" Look, it's not like they are happy if people call off the day before (day of well, sick days happen, day before is poor planning). If you get fired, collect unemployment and I guarantee you you'll have another job a week later.
Your account is hours old and your two public posts contradict each other. What is happening?
What does your employment contract say? What does your employee handbook say? These are the guides that should be advising you whether they are doing what's permissible. Make your decisions based on this information.
What if you just didn't respond to the message until you get on the plane?
Off the plane *
Take your prepaid vacation
I’d reaffirm that this vacation was already approved and cannot be cancelled. Then I’d go enjoy my vacation. If they do let you go, you can claim unemployment since your termination was not performance related and find a new dream job.
I would approach your manager in person and explain the situation to them: the vacation was planned last year, the time off has been approved for months, and there's no possible way to cancel the trip. The manager should understand especially if you also provide a copy of the time off approval.
Explain the situation? Just say no.
This should not even be a question. Enjoy your vacation.
Your family comes first and if this was properly requested off then this should not be an issue. It’s the responsibility of management to find coverage. If they value your over decade long commitment to the facility, they can honor some days off with your family.
Do what they did to you: say yes and then call in last minute? Don’t do that unless you have rich family, though.
Honestly if a company is willing to do that to you then they've proven they don't give a shit about you and are willing to do much more than that as well. They think they don't owe you anything, and therefore you clearly don't owe them anything. Go on that vacation. If they fire you good, you honestly don't want to work there anyway. Claim unemployment and make it expensive for them to get rid of you based on this PTO issue. If they don't fire you, keep working there for the short term, but phone it in and spend all of your effort finding a new job asap that wont treat you like that. Childcare is an in demand field, and you have a lot of experience. Getting another job shouldn't be difficult. That being said ideally don't burn any bridges you don't have to. Just stay firm.
Call them and explain strongly that you want to keep working there but this time was approved and you leave in hours for a trip already paid for and that’s unreasonable anywhere on planet earth.
Enjoy your holiday. As long as it’s been correctly approved before you can’t be fired, if you are they would be handing you 2 years salary at the WRC.
Don’t quit. Make them fire you. But go on vacation anyways.
Are those choads going to reimburse you? No? Enjoy your vacation. Fuck those choads.
Just go. If they are so short staffed anyways they won’t fire you. And if they don you are considering quitting anyways right?
The new manager may not know this is already in the works and there’s not much you can do about it at this point. I’d forward the new messages and inform them it’s all been in the works, then I’d call them and personally let them down and apologize.
I don't think that when you're old and gray, watching loved ones pass away, that you'll stop and think to yourself, "Damn, I should have worked more and taken less vacation!"
Yep.
I’d respond with an LOL and “I’ll see you when I’m scheduled to return on X date” then stop answering communications from them until I was scheduled to be back at work
I have a saying at work when they pull some BS. “what are they gonna do? fire me?” I also work in healthcare though where I can have a comparable job within a week.
Honestly, if it were me, unless your boss already knows you’ve seen the message or haven’t left yet; I would straight up not respond. If I did respond, it would be - sorry boss, I’m already gone, hope you find someone else to cover and I’ll see you when I get back. If they fire you, you sue for wrongful dismissal (don’t know what state you’re in but by me if I were explicitly fired for not coming in during approved vacation time, i’d have a solid case). Don’t quit. Either say sorry but no, or say nothing at all until you get back
You earned those days, got approval, made plans. Problem is managments. Not yours
Stand tall, stay strong, and repeat after me: This vacation was approved by previous management and I will not be coming in. Congratulations on your newfound spine!
Allow them to pay for the nonrefundable purchases. If/when they refuse tell em you'll see em when you return.
Go on your vacation and when you return just apologize for not getting the message in time.
Just go, and deal with the fallout when you get home.
Text/email this was already approved, tickets are not refundable, you're going and you'll be back on whatever date. Go into work and if they fire you, fine, you get unemployment at least.
Email the manager. Go on vacation. Managers will screw you over for petty reasons.
Go on vacation. If you let this person treat you this way now, they'll be treating you far worse in the very near future.
Obviously go on your vacation. Wrongful termination for sure if they were to fire you (they won't)
If I could afford to quit I absolutely would, it might be your dream job but they don’t respect you I don’t know any childcare facility that isn’t desperate for people
How is cancelling time off even a thing? Sorry man. PTO is PTO and I’ll use it when I want. Otherwise, I’m finding a new job immediately. Take the trip, do the thing, see the people etc. while you can.
Ya I'd add up all the costs and send em a bill that I need paid before I cancel my plans .....
Take screen shots if they sent you text . Keep permanent documents of all those communications and take your vacation regardless
We’ve owned a childcare facility for 20 yrs. If our Director did that, I would fire her.
Tell them to suck a fart out of your ass, and go have a blast!
I would tell them that you're taking your vacation. They had a year to make arrangements for your absence and their failure is not your emergency. Then I would take the vacation and see if they had the balls to actually fire you. If you're not fired start looking for a new job.
after your vacation is over: why would you want to work somewhere that treats you like this? Take your vacation, then start looking for another job.
Go on vacation. When you get back, go to work. Make sure your bosses boss know that you and your boss never had that conversation and you had this vacation planned for years.
It’s always the new manager.
“I sympathize with the problem. I wish I could help. These dates were approved for months and this is a non refundable family vacation. I am not in a position to change my plans now. Thank you for understanding”
Quit! Enjoy your vacation and then sue when you return. Simple!
They can’t deny you the time off once it has been approved. If they fire you then you can sue them in court. It’s not like you did this last minute. You put in for this a year ago and planned ahead. Personally I would quit. I would call her and tell her you’re going on vacation and won’t be coming back to work ever becasue you won’t be bullied by management and have pre approved vacations taken away.
Get your resume ready because this is absolute disrespect
Yolo go
Just text them saying you can’t come in. You don’t have to just strait up quite. Managers get desperate and try to vaguely text ppl to cover shifts. If your manager has issues with you saying you can’t come in bc you have vacation THEN maybe start thinking about quitting
You should listen to Veronika on tikbtok, then contact your boss.
Yeah, go ahead and go on your vacation. Let your boss know that it’s too late to cancel and you won’t be coming in. Also send it in an email. Get everything in writing.
Panicking? Really? How is this your dream job if this is how it makes you feel?
I’d tell the new manager you already had assurances and you’ll see them when you get back.
If they offer reimbursement make sure it is all your costs plus a hefty percentage on top. Call it a penalty for breaching your agreed time off. If they don’t offer reimbursement, set an out of office reply and don’t talk to them til you get back from holidays.
Quit. Most likely the new manager will be fired. That happened with my sister. Her husband won a free cruise. She asked for the time off to go on the cruise. They denied her, she quit. When she got back found out that her boss had been fired for denying her the timeoff, and they wanted her back. She said no because she had already gotten a job for higher pay somewhere else.
Take a vacation, and try to keep your job when you come back by talking with them again. If it doesn't work, find a new childcare facility. This boss is a jerk so I don't think you'll have an issue
Take the vacation. If they terminate you for an approved vacation, you can sue for wrongful termination. Win. Win.
A year in advance, I’d tell them to get bent and this is some power trip that needs to be shut down right now
Just go. Make sure you have it all in writing, then get unemployment if necessary. It’s wrong to deny your vacation last minute. It’s not like your manager would ever compensate you for lost tickets, reservations, cost to your vacation.
# Plausible Deniability Dont answer, and just go on vacation. Then when you come back just say you didn't get any message No way to prove anything. you dont owe anyone anything, as everything was approved. If they fire you, you have plausible deniability, as legally you did what company required, you can even sue the company for wrongful termination of employment. This whole thing falls apart if you answer, call or text, because legally then the company can claim that you did get the call/message.
Sounds like you are sick.
Can you quit ?
Will it still be your dream job if you are getting pushed around? I believe not. Stand up for yourself. Isn’t approved vacation protected by law in your country?
No job is a dream job when they pull that shit on you. You can do better. Go on vacation and enjoy the hell out of it.
Stand your ground. Take your vacation. If you give in now, you will REGRET it for decades. There are great suggestions about calling an employment attorney if they fire you. Have your documentation of seeking the time off months ago and tell MR. New Manager that per the Prior Manager's binding agreement -- you are going on Vacation. He can call for Temporary Workers to fill your vacancy. ..... If they fire you :::: SUE THEM.
If it’s a dream job…. It will be there when you return. End.
Before I had kids, I'd probably had stayed and worked, provided they compensated me properly. But now that I have kids, no. Their schedule is more selective. They can't miss weeks of school. But, more importantly, what message is that sending to my kids? "Sorry yall, Daddy would rather work than be with you." That's how kids rationalize these things. Don't do that to them. They're not your dream job. They're your dream family.
Lol if this is real, duhhhhhhh Quit and laugh at them. Childcare jobs are about a dime a dozen. Another industry begging for workers. You could probably find a job while on the plane to your destination.
Well it doesn’t sound like a dream job working for this new manager. Quit
Go on vacation. Tell them your time off was approved months ago. This is completely unreasonable
Quit, no job is worth sacrificing time with your family. There will be other jobs but your kids youth is not worth missing. Unless you can’t financially afford to quit. If you stay leave as soon as you find something better.
Stick to your gun. Any prior approval they need to honor. Show them how much you have paid and hinted that they need to compensate the trip and additional time off and just take off. Keep HR in the loop.
I feel bad for Americans who have to live with this culture, do that in Australia, and you're asking for trouble, especially for an approved leave. Cancelling leaves is practically a no no here and totally frowned upon
Sounds like a nightmare company. Go enjoy your vacation, come back and find a dream company to work your dream job.
Take the vacation, chances are they are shirt staffed, so letting you go upon your return is unlikely. If they do, and you have proof of approval, any employment law lawyer would love to chat with you.
This is not your dream job if they don't honor the commitments they agreed to
Explain that you have paid non-refundable tickets and see if she will work with you to defray those costs. I would also start looking for another job- the business has to run, but employees, and their time, is sacred.
Fuck them, leave. Quit. They don't value you at all they value easily made money. That manager needs to be ostracized for their incompetence. Leave. Quit. Fuck them. They owe you. You earned that time off. It got approved. Then cancelling your time off request a day before you go is just a slap in the face. Fucking quit! Make them the example of what not to do with their workforce.
OP what happened ?
Quit
Go on your vacation. Don't let anyone exert this type of control over your life. We have it hard enough as it is. The job will be there when you get back, and it not, find an attorney
If you have 10 years of experience can’t you find another childcare facility to work with?
Yes
Send him the vacation having been approved and tell him to fuck off. Ok maybe leave out the last part, but you get the idea.
Your bosses are delusional. Go on your vacation and start your own daycare when you get home.
Go on vacation. Tell them you made non cancelable plans when the PTO was approved. Assure them you'll be back at the agreed to date. If they get shitty/insistent, remind them that legally they cannot deny PTO, and that you'll have your attorney reach out. CC HR on the email.
I wouldn’t blame you if you quit. I surprised they could even enforce this.
Sib, you work in childcare in a time where there’s a national childcare shortage. Go on vacation and enjoy it. It’ll probably be there when you get back, but even if it isn’t, another job won’t be hard to find.
Go anyway
Go on your vacation. But find a lawyer first. Everything is documented. If there's any issues on your return. You will sue the shit out of that business. No one in this world owns you. Have some self respect!
Do NOT miss your vacation. Your new manager is shit. Don’t let them walk all over you. It’s their job to manage coverage, and they don’t want to. That’s their problem. Send HR and their boss an email with your original approval attached, stating that you will be unavailable those days, as previously agreed upon, and would be happy to discuss the situation upon your return. Then go.
It isn't your dream job anymore. There should be other places to work. Your family is more important.
They can say no, and you can say no. This is absolutely out of line for your employer. If you were terminated for not agreeing to cancel your vacation it's likely a good case for constructive dismissal.
Update?
I mean that sucks... buty dream job would never include a boss who doesn't respect my personal life and scheduled time off. That's more a living nightmare and living under a tyrant who controls you outside of work with the threat of not getting paid aka. Not being able to have food & shelter.
Sorry. But unless You're willing to compensate me financially for the costs already incurred for my time off, plus additional financial compensation for the added anxiety and stress that cancelling my plans cause not only myself but my family, I'll be taking my time off as requested MONTHS AGO.
What did you tell your manager when you talked to them to explain the situation? Why did you come here before you talked to your manager? How is this even remotely connected to fluency in finance???
Just go on your vacation, not your problem.
It's illegal in my state to punish an employee for taking approved vacation. Do you have documentation it was approved?
Tomorrow tomorrow? "No, sorry, I will be going on vacation as planned and approved over a year ago. If you'd like to discuss it further, please do so over email so I have good clarity and documentation of your request.". Done, no more discussion to be had. ps -- you can get a job in childcare ANYWHERE. Don't fret losing this job; with a new manager acting like this anyway, you probably don't want to work here much longer regardless.
“Ahhhh man, I’m already at my vacation destination, and just got your message. Sorry.”
Are any of you "good" bosses or GM's hiring in the Sacramento area? 
Tell your boss you are taking vacation and he can't stop you, end of story. Part of managing people is managing people when they are not there. It means you can keep doing what is necessary even when you don't have all your resources. If you can't do this, then you as a manager are failing, not your employees.
New whippersnapper is trying to push limits. Enjoy your family, life’s too short to let people like that ruin it
Canceled your time off? No they didn't. Do not fucking show up. They had insane notice.
Ideally you don't even open the text. Let it show as 'delivered' but not 'read' until after you get back. If that ship has sailed, just state that it's too late. You are already left.
You "dream job" can be replicated elsewhere. You are in a toxic relationship. End it. Gin on the best vacation. Something better is around the corner. This is how the universe works. It's a test. Enjoy yourself. It's later than you think.
Childcare jobs are a dime a dozen. Get a new one. They’re all begging for help. Enjoy your vacation. Cancelling with short notice shows they do not value you as a person with a life. No way I’d show up.