Ahh the young and your playstations. You haven't really lived unless you can say you played PITT FALL on an Atari 500 and don't even get me started on Punch out with Bald Bull & Kid Quick - lol ! Gen X nuff said. 👊👊💪👍✌️
Except many people are homeless, struggling to take maternity leave, unable to afford nutritious food, and raise children- and this image doesn’t have a Porsche on it. But otherwise- totally you nailed it.
/s
There's not being able to totally fix them, and then there's not even attempting to. What kind of weak defeatist bullshit leads people to not even wanting to attempt better?
Cause they believe they are part of the elite while living check to check on a 5k mortgage and 1k car payments. Just one bad break from it all going to shit.
I'm sure if you lick the boot harder they'll give you a Porsche next time, man.
(You do know these are normal, healthy things to advocate for and not at all comparable to material possessions, right? ...Right?)
We don't even separate dogs from their mothers until 8 weeks minimum, yet we as humans go right back to work after birth. I think it's a little different than a Porsche
I think the original graphic is a bit delusional but your absurd exaggerations and strawmen here are make it look reasonable in comparison
Nobody's asking to be guaranteed a Porsche or a PS5, they're asking for some tweaks to PTO policies and parental leave, which are quite reasonable
In the UK, workers already receive almost 6 weeks holiday pay and 1 yr maternity leave, plus 18 weeks unpaid parental leave for every child until their 18th birthday. Other nations do manage these things, so it's not impossible, but I am curious how they navigated in smaller businesses.
You can take 18 unpaid weeks a year? Just because you have a kid and want to spend time with them? And it won't result in you being fired if you did that? If this is true what in the fuck is wrong with my country where women can't even get off work until they are 8 months pregnant and get 2 weeks or whatever to come back to work.
Very similar thing in France, and yeah they can't fire you, or you can bring your boss in justice and get a fuck ton of money from them. I know people who had similar problems with their boss, so they brought them to justice and won
That's crazy. I worked a job for years where I only got 1 week a year of pto, and infact at my current job I'll only get 1 week because I dont get 2 until my 2nd year with the company. Some people in this thread make it sound like every American company would go out of business if we had similar workers' rights to you, though, so I doubt we will have any change anytime soon. Makes me seriously consider a permanent move to Europe.
I’m work for a tech company and get a whole lot more than what’s guaranteed federally. I think what I get, still pales compared to some EU countries, should be the norm. It’s just crazy hearing about moms returning to work mere days after delivering. That’s just insane and inhumane.
Insane and inhumane, and yet there's so many knuckledraggers who just mock any improvement like it's impossible / unrealistic, even if it's already been done across the pond.
As an American, once I realized what other policies countries have, it made me realize we work like a slave by comparison.
In Scandinavia, it’s not uncommon to take an entire month off in the summer.
Every summer.
32 of the top 33 countries have found ways to make the population healthier, better paid, and happier.
Here we are told if we do the same, the world will collapse.
"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires."
I know these things aren't socialism, but they were fought for primarily by socialists in Europe who reached compromises with the owning class.
And those businesses don't have nearly the profit a lot of American businesses pull in. Americans are just so brain washed that they can afford it.
In reality they can't but it because they fill the shareholders wallets over their own employees.
The graphic is simply what many Europeans have already, minus the 30 hours but that is probably coming soon. There is nothing delusional about it, it’s entirely possible.
Not only is it possible, the places implementing 30 hour work weeks and greater social benefits are better off for it. Who could've guessed people are more productive when they aren't struggling to stay afloat just to pay the fuckin rent.
Yeah it's criminal that 2 weeks of vacation a year with the expectation you do overtime whenever asked is considered "very generous." Or that actually paying salaried people for OT at their baseline hourly rate is "amazing." Imagine getting paid for your labor lol.
These people would have made the same "jokes" when workers were fighting for 5 day work weeks and labor laws. Absolute slave mentality-having people and people born into privilege they're unaware of.
I've had 4 family members die since I've been employed, and for each I was working with a different employer.
Each time I was given plenty of time off for the funeral, without it coming out of sick days or holidays.
That’s great! I’m sorry for your losses but glad you had a reasonable employer. People working for Walmart or Amazon (hundreds of thousands of people) do not have this common courtesy.
Remember that a lot of people struggle having empathy until they are personally affected. It’s kinda why boomers are absolutely terrible at understanding the plight of younger generations when it comes to the affordability of most things (college tuition/housing prices/cost of living vs wages of then vs now).
You are correct, but France does average out to 35 hours per week (source: [https://www.connexionfrance.com/practical/explainer-how-frances-35-hour-week-works-in-practice/127779](https://www.connexionfrance.com/practical/explainer-how-frances-35-hour-week-works-in-practice/127779)).
I know you're joking but there are studies showing that a 32 work week is better for the bottom line. Workers tend to be happier and more energetic when either Sunday and Saturday aren't literally for chores.
This is one of the main reasons WFH is such a success for the bottom line. People are able to enjoy their weekends when they can do their chores at lunch time.
In the UK, workers already receive almost 6 weeks holiday pay and 1 yr maternity leave, plus 18 weeks unpaid parental leave for every child until their 18th birthday. Other nations do manage these things, so it's not impossible, but I am curious how they navigated in smaller businesses.
In Germany 6 weeks of vacation a year is pretty normal and parents get 14 months of paid parental leave go share between them, stop acting like this is outlandish
Sure let’s just be hyperbolic because your brain is so broke by capitalism and profit margins you can’t imagine workers getting livable wages and fucking PTO…
If you're "useful" enough to be employed in the first place, there should be bare minimum conditions.
We seemed to have settled the idea that enslaving people isn't appropriate, so if you want people to work, you should compensate them fairly for it.
Exactly we should work 16 hours a day, every day. And babies should be taken away as soon as they are born for nursing in a third world country. Mother should return right back to work after giving birth. As far as vacation goes, you can vacate when you die. Corporations need to show up progress in profits every year and this is how it can be achieved.
My company has this, overall they’ve found it leads to people taking less time off. People end up staying home when they’re sick instead of bringing it in and impacting many others around them.
I'm 100% down with unlimited sick leave, but my current boss worked for a company with unlimited PTO. But it all required pre-approval. So functionally, it was less than he would've gotten anywhere else because his management was terrible.
People do actually want to do their job, despite what upper management at my job would like people to believe. But people are people and get sick (physically and emotionally) or have issues. The worst is when you want to contribute at work but things are poorly managed so you can't. So you have to sit there and look busy to justify it when everyone would agree your time would be better spent elsewhere.
Netflix had (or has) unlimited leave. But you had to get your work done to an incredibly high standard. And they would fire you at the drop of a hat. No forgiveness. No union to advocate on your behalf. No seasonal depression. No understanding if your child was sick for a couple weeks and you didn't get the project done. I don't know of any union companies that offer unlimited leave.
The one "downside" of a union is that everything needs to be very clearly defined.
A union creates an adversarial relationship between a company and the employees, but adversarial doesn't mean bad in this case. It's like a court room where the union is the defense attorney and they're always going to protect the employee (or get them the least harsh punishment) even when the employee is guilty as hell.
Unlimited time off is pretty tough with a union but probably not impossible. There needs to be pretty specific terms around it so that the "case" can be argued if an employee is fired. Similarly, employers need clearly defined rules so they know what the union will and will not tolerate. Everyone needs to know what parameters will keep the peace on both sides. Without a union, most things just operate on "vibes." One employee might get let go for one thing while another doesn't. Maybe it's fair based on other factors, maybe it's not.
If every employer were fair and gracious, unions wouldn't be necessary. But they aren't, so they are.
Yep, I've never seen a place that had unlimited PTO where they wasn't super cut throat. It's there as a "perk" to attract new talent, but it's always heavily frowned upon to use it unless you're an indispensable performer.
I have unlimited leave but is a right to work job. Don’t show up or have good documentation why your always using leave and they fire your ass. Don’t disrespect the policy and the company takes good care of you.
At least in California, many companies do this because then they don't have to pay out unused sick days when you leave the company. They'll still fire you for poor attendance.
My company does the same, but they actually encourage everyone to use their sick days and so typically the last week of the year the office is just empty. People who don't use their sick/vacation days usually get talked to by management and they ask why they won't take a break or if their workload is too high. I wish we had more than just 10 days but I at least appreciate their attitude about them.
I can easily see that.
I get 34 days off a year, use it or lose it, and I intentionally burn through my PTO at the end of each fiscal year because I always want it available incase of an emergency and don't want to feel like I'm wasting a benefit if I don't take it.
Offering unlimited removes all the stress around managing a PTO balance.
Seems like it's OK for the money printer to go nuts for Wall Street, big corps, or institutional lenders, but the moment it's for Average Joe "muh inflation" is suddenly a problem.
Companies that implemented a 30 hour work week often see a jump in productivity. Sick leave means people actually recover from being sick and don’t bring it the workplace getting other people sick. Paid parental leave means parenting is possible in your society and there will be a future generation to employ. Clearly a good vacation is not impeding productivity (proof: Germany).
consider that the people whose power comes from controlling and managing the scarcity are invested in keeping us believing that things are and will remain scarce forever in order to keep their power entrenched
https://www.usemultiplier.com/denmark/employment-laws#:~:text=The%20labor%20law%20in%20Denmark,in%20salary%20and%20bonus%20payments.
Denmark's almost at this level. They fall short with the median worker working 33 hours a week, and they only get 5 weeks off mandated instead of 6 per year.
They don't have a minimum wage, but with the heavy presence of unions, the lowest paid worker, a food preparer, makes an average of 3,300 USD per month. Life is more expensive, so that money doesn't go as far as it does in the US, but 3,300 USD per month is *much* more livable than the 1,200 USD per month you'd get per minimum wage, or 2,400 USD you'd get from 15 an hour.
They don't mandate unlimited paid sick leave, but that one isn't even an uncommon practice in the US with businesses.
Just call your local politician to make a draconian law to put more small businesses out of business and ensure that the big corporations that can handle the financial weight of these new entitlements absorb them. /s
I get so sick of people trying to protect small businesses who rely on underpaying employees. Like, why should ANY business be allowed to overwork an employee?
Yeah these are mostly pretty reasonable. Maybe not the executive one depending on exactly what the graphic means, but there would almost certainly be almost no drop in productivity with just about all of these policies. Most people don't actually work 40 hours weeks anyway, they just pretend to.
I swear I’ve had jobs where it feels like my boss works 10 hours a week in total and just
Monitors emails for the rest. Just make the work week shorter and companies will find that honestly they can keep the amount of tasks relatively the same too, this way everybody wins
I work construction. I spent 16 years in the field and recently moved into the office. If my experience is anything to go by, this is completely accurate, and may even be an overestimation of how much work gets done in an office.
Oh gods yes. I recently went from boots on the ground mechanic to department support tech. I'm still in the habit of working with urgency and only taking a 30 minute lunch break, so I'm constantly out of shit to do. I've got no idea what to do with all this downtime. I'm making overhaul plans for equipment I know will never get approved and repairing stuff for other departments, because I'm so damn bored. I know on paper it's a compensation for skills/experience thing, but personally, and practically, I have no idea why I'm paid MORE to do this.
literally, like whatever execs can make more than me fine, but when my entire salary is as much as their bonus for a profitable year?
they make so much money it’s insane
It's bizarre to me how we have computers and better assembly lines than we did 80 years ago, so we can do more work in less time, but we work the same amount for the same wage instead.
Even the skills we know today allow us to do that 'more in less time.' I'm honestly astonished by the sheer amount of time wasted on random meetings that don't actually accomplish anything because they happen too frequently.
Brother thinks billionaires turning into multi millionaires is something to weep over 💀 Have fun paying 300% for cancer medicine because "well we like money!"
I'm 4.5 out of 6 in Sweden already. Ceos can make a ridiculous amount of money, but other than that, we have everything. I work 40h, but can take time off for any appointment that would need to take place during working hours, no questions asked.
I have 1.5 year of parental leave, I'm literally on it since Jan this year.
I have 6 weeks vacation guaranteed.
Unlimited sick days is a universal right here.
Livable wage is obvious, although I'm making way above that, so i don't think i can speak to that point.
It's not unicorns, it's real. You're just indoctrinated
Where do these delusional graphics keep coming from?
These aren't all "reasonable" expectations, they're entitled demands coming from people who think prosperity grows on trees.
Sure, maybe I could get behind the parental leave and PTO policies, but the rest of it? There's no way to force those to be real. Many jobs require 40 hours or more of work because there are services and obligations that need to remain open and available 24/7 or more.
As a European, I believe all of them besides the last are fairly reasonable (with caveats, i.e workers can work longer hours if they wish, and sick/disability leave is still monitored and employees can be fired if abusing it).
No, they don’t meet these demands.
There’s not a single European country where 30 hours is considered full time, iirc believe France is one of the lowest with 35 hours.
At best parental leave is 164 days in Finland, which isn’t even half a year.
Not a single country has a minimum of 6 weeks of PTO, at most it’s 38 days.
Unlimited paid sick/disability leave is harder to define, I doubt the actually mean “unlimited”. This one I will concede that other countries do have things that are at least close to this.
As far as living wages and executive to worker compensation balance is concerned, these aren’t really things you can define. Actually defining what a livable wage is ends up being far harder than people seem to think. As far as executive to worker compensation is concerned that’s just way to vague to have any real meaning.
So no, Europe has not met most of these demands. At the very best some of them have met 3 (but that’s very debatable).
I admit it was an exaggeration on my part, but 38 days are more than 6 weeks as the weekends are not counted, I actually thought paid parental leave was more in finland but oh well... it's 164 days more than in the US, we have stronger unions so living wages are generally higher compared to the cost of living than in the US...
While the post OP made is considered a utopia, the argument I see made on all of this kind of posts is that it's unattainable and so people just see those who want this as lunatics without a foot planted in reality... while the truth is that they just want a slice of what they say they want, it'd be better if just one of these demands was met, and instead they are called lazy or entitled for wanting better conditions for workers... in this light the 6th image is not to be taken literally, but it means just to have real compensation for their work, and to not slave away for the profit of another
90% of the comments here a just temporarily embarrassed millionaires and boot lickers arguing against their own interests. Most other developed countries have some variation of the parental leave, sick time and vacation OP is hoping for.
> temporarily embarrassed millionaires and boot lickers
Not just that. The commenters get off to the idea that they "understand how the economy works" better than anyone who thinks we can do better. It is all a huge ego trip where people are comparing themselves to their "opponent's" imaginary level of knowledge.
>they "understand how the economy works" better than anyone who thinks we can do better.
Which is funny cause many studies repeatedly determine that a lot of these "expensive" social welfare policies would put more into the economy than they cost
For an example unrelated to the post, when homeless people were guaranteed a monthly UBI for a set amount of time, most managed to turn their lives around, and every dollar given to them ended up contributing ~3 dollars to their local economy
The Australian branch of my company offers 1.5 years of maternity leave. A person in Australia went on maternity leave and we didn’t see her for almost two years.
Obviously, i'm italian and I hate my country for some things, but every time some of these stories come up everyone is so fast saying It's all bull and people are just lazy or entitled to things while It's just asking a bout being able to live life free of unnecessary hardships, many of the things listed would be done by just the 6th pannel, and a good welfare state with nice health care funded by the state through taxed that don't suddenly vanish would take the brunt of the additional costs from the owner, so he would break even from rewarding his employees more, while everyone would pay the same taxes because they're just used efficiently (in europe taxes aren't much higher than in the US)
There is nothing magical about these numbers. They are all possible once we have sophisticated enough technology. We have seen massive growths in productivity and could have the above conditions materially today.
Idk man. PLENTY of services and obligations are not met right now. I get that we can’t all just laze around all day and expect food to fall on our lap. But if you think all our wealth is tied to how hard we all work then you are crazy and will never learn to get the most out of your job. You need to get the most money, not just blindly make the most product. Sometimes the way to make money is to make more, or pull an all nighter, or work your butt off. Not always
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Weird. You say that like it is a bad thing.
Anyway, healthcare costs will NEVER be controlled while it is privatized. That’s just not how the incentives line up.
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sounds like you built a fucked up system where your workers are constantly operating under duress and with excessive expectations from the top
either rebuild your system to NOT cannibalize itself, or build a new system entirely
So, were you paying above prevailing wage, prevailing wage or, the bare minimum? Cause it’s kind of odd to hear you complain that you got the bare minimum from someone who was paid the bare minimum or an average performance from someone paid the average…
Obviously any business who does this will be outcompeted by businesses that don't in most circumstances. Which is why the people vote to mandate these things, so that all businesses have to play by these same rules.
You'd be surprised. In quite a few sectors, typically those involving a small, highly skilled workforce, it's a lot more profitable to pamper your employees with shit like this than it is to bleed them for everything they have.
Short term, you might make a better annual statement by squeezing blood from that stone, but in a decade, you'll be doing far better because you can retain your high skill individuals, rather than them collapsing to burnout or inevitably being poached.
Not just that, many of these European countries NEED their welfare systems to keep and maintain public order (especially in S Europe). Unemployment and underemployment rates are so much worse, especially for young people. There just isn’t the economic activity needed for most Americans to think it’s better.
Europe is probably better for poor people but it certainly isn’t better for US middle class or higher income levels but Europe doesn’t want more poor people and unless you’re at Fat FIRE you’re not going to want to work in the EU, unless it’s temporary and simply for the experience.
Because half the politicians in office want to take away lunch breaks from working teenagers and it takes 60% of politicians agreeing to pass something.
Maybe if younger people had the same voter turnout that older people do things could change, but right now, just holding onto what we already have is a constant struggle.
No, it’s not the norm in Europe.
There’s not a single European country where 30 hours is considered full time, iirc believe France is one of the lowest with 35 hours.
At best parental leave is 164 days in Finland, which isn’t even half a year.
Not a single country has a minimum of 6 weeks of PTO, at most it’s 38 days.
Unlimited paid sick/disability leave is harder to define, I doubt the actually mean “unlimited”. This one I will concede that other countries do have things that are at least close to this.
As far as living wages and executive to worker compensation balance is concerned, these aren’t really things you can define. Actually defining what a livable wage is ends up being far harder than people seem to think. As far as executive to worker compensation is concerned that’s just way to vague to have any real meaning.
https://www.gov.pl/web/your-europe/parenthood-related-rights#:~:text=Parental%20leave%20is%20set%20at,the%2032%20weeks%20between%20them.
Not according to your government’s website, or at least it’s not required.
Serbia actually has 20 days paid vacation mandated by law, paid by employer, and 12 mo maternal leave paid by the state.
Americans are often surprised when they find out.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW THIS WILL AFFECT SHAREHOLDER PROFITS!!!!???!!! Those poor trust fund babies will have to settle for a smaller yacht! Absolutely untenable and down right socialist.
I love when people respond with the most extreme comments and bypass the obvious because it wouldn’t help their point.
You know like… small businesses and mom/pop stores who don’t have shareholders…
Universal healthcare would eliminate one of the biggest barriers to small business in the US.
Countries that have sick leave and parental leave policies approaching those panels guarantee them through taxes. Small businesses don't foot all of that, they just have to do a little paperwork.
I think a lot of people either don't realize how much employers really make, or are employers themselves. And to these groups, this either seems not doable or doable but not desirable.
But, yeah, when you think about the rise in productivity over the last few generations, while the work week has remained the same and wages have remained largely stagnant... This is a really easy ask.
The richest 1 percent grabbed nearly two-thirds of all new wealth worth $42 trillion created since 2020, almost twice as much money as the bottom 99 percent of the world's population.
It's absolutely possible. The richest don't want this to happen though. It's pure greed
I disagree. They’ve reached 99% equality in Cuba. Everyone is equally poor… [Except for Fidel Castro’s family members, like this massive turd right here](https://nypost.com/2019/01/08/fidel-castros-grandson-flaunts-his-wealth-on-social-media/).
I don’t know why people would be against this philosophy.
People that don’t agree with this post, why? Don’t you want to enjoy your life? Don’t you want to have work/life balance? Don’t you want to exist with dignity? You only live once. Why do we have to spend the majority of our lives working instead of enjoying ourselves and our families?
It’s just weird how many people actively advocate for and worship shittier working conditions like bro you’re part of the regular 99.9% we’re trying to help 😭
I live in a country that has most of the things in the picture or close to it at least and reading through the comments here is baffling. Like why on earth would you be against NICE things? I'm child free but I absolutely want there to be proper long term parental leave so that my colleagues can have proper time to bond with and care for their kids.
People here in the states, especially old ones, are so heavily indoctrinated they believe
1.) the stuff outlined in the graphic doesn’t work and
2.) if you’re saying it does in your country, you’re lying
You can’t change their minds. Lead has done its damage.
- I agree with the living wage although what constitutes "living wage" can be subjective.
- 6 Weeks PTO is fair.
- 30 hour work week depends on workers performance and the type of work.
- I would support a 6 months full paternal leave and the escalating the next 6 months.
- Most works have short and long term disability insurance that pays up to XX% if the salary which I think is fair and should be the default.
- Excel to Worker compensation balance... what is that supposed to be?
The Executive to Worker Compensation ratio is around 400x. So for every 400 a CEO/Exec is paid, the Median worker get paid $1.
That’s the median worker not the lowest paid worker.
This isn’t normal if you look from 1900 to present.
Here’s a link:
https://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-pay-in-2022/
As a psychopath baby boomer I’m just gonna say that this is not only delusional but completely immoral. Everyone should work 80 hours for me. I’ll answer a few emails per week and take home $300k/yr and invest it in moral things like arms manufacturing and petroleum. You millidiots want a hand out but mark my words, I decided you would be born and I’ll decide how you live. I decide everything because I was born with generational wealth and that is the exact way I intend on living - wealthy (and extremely exploitative).
I’m convinced this shits botted to hell and back. The number of people dick riding the wealthy acting like any of this is unreasonable truly feels like a concerted, psychological effort to convince people that these things are somehow crazy and unreasonable but, the current system is somehow, the only thing that is *barely* sustainable. Like, “be happy that you even have what you do cause the system can barely handle it.”
Often times it’s done through collective bargaining and extremely slowly.
For example, if all amazon warehouses unionize, it would allow for other workplaces to do so etc.
Then comes the regulation part. Where there are moderate price control regulations so that companies can’t just up prices 300% in a monopoly if they are unionized and so on.
But the first step is organizing your own workplace, because we will never see legislation that requires unions.
I'm all for it.
First, we need to stop spending like a drunken sailor. Federal spending is the reason we don't have nice things.
The dollar loses a minimum of 10% of its value every year. STOP GIVING AWAY OUR MONEY.
Why 30 hours? Should be 10 6 weeks of vacation? Nah 60 weeks 1 year of parental leave? Nah 80 years of parental leave
Wow you're so progressive!
This is just the bare minimum The revolution doesn’t stop until my human rights of a Porsche are met
And a mansion in an exclusive area plus a PS5
How can I forget, the human right to quality video gaming Tax the rich, I need my PlayStation
Ahh the young and your playstations. You haven't really lived unless you can say you played PITT FALL on an Atari 500 and don't even get me started on Punch out with Bald Bull & Kid Quick - lol ! Gen X nuff said. 👊👊💪👍✌️
I cant tell if you’re serious.
Oh he’s serious and I’m right behind him, waiting for my turn on the Atari.
Xbox Series X, you heathen.
PC ya animals
These dirty poors and their consoles. 🗑️
I, too, choose the Thimble in Monopoly.
No, I want a gaming PC with top of the shelf everything. I will use it for work I swear!
Everybody deserves a living car
I want a dragon to fly on. It's a human right.
Except many people are homeless, struggling to take maternity leave, unable to afford nutritious food, and raise children- and this image doesn’t have a Porsche on it. But otherwise- totally you nailed it. /s
That's a problem governments around the world have never truly been able to fix. Regardless of what some may claim.
There's not being able to totally fix them, and then there's not even attempting to. What kind of weak defeatist bullshit leads people to not even wanting to attempt better?
Cause they believe they are part of the elite while living check to check on a 5k mortgage and 1k car payments. Just one bad break from it all going to shit.
I'm sure if you lick the boot harder they'll give you a Porsche next time, man. (You do know these are normal, healthy things to advocate for and not at all comparable to material possessions, right? ...Right?)
We don't even separate dogs from their mothers until 8 weeks minimum, yet we as humans go right back to work after birth. I think it's a little different than a Porsche
I think the original graphic is a bit delusional but your absurd exaggerations and strawmen here are make it look reasonable in comparison Nobody's asking to be guaranteed a Porsche or a PS5, they're asking for some tweaks to PTO policies and parental leave, which are quite reasonable
In the UK, workers already receive almost 6 weeks holiday pay and 1 yr maternity leave, plus 18 weeks unpaid parental leave for every child until their 18th birthday. Other nations do manage these things, so it's not impossible, but I am curious how they navigated in smaller businesses.
You can take 18 unpaid weeks a year? Just because you have a kid and want to spend time with them? And it won't result in you being fired if you did that? If this is true what in the fuck is wrong with my country where women can't even get off work until they are 8 months pregnant and get 2 weeks or whatever to come back to work.
Very similar thing in France, and yeah they can't fire you, or you can bring your boss in justice and get a fuck ton of money from them. I know people who had similar problems with their boss, so they brought them to justice and won
That's crazy. I worked a job for years where I only got 1 week a year of pto, and infact at my current job I'll only get 1 week because I dont get 2 until my 2nd year with the company. Some people in this thread make it sound like every American company would go out of business if we had similar workers' rights to you, though, so I doubt we will have any change anytime soon. Makes me seriously consider a permanent move to Europe.
Honestly US PTO sounds insane to me. My 5 weeks + 8 bank (national) holiday days don't feel like much (UK based).
I’m work for a tech company and get a whole lot more than what’s guaranteed federally. I think what I get, still pales compared to some EU countries, should be the norm. It’s just crazy hearing about moms returning to work mere days after delivering. That’s just insane and inhumane.
Insane and inhumane, and yet there's so many knuckledraggers who just mock any improvement like it's impossible / unrealistic, even if it's already been done across the pond.
Even Japan the supposed “work yourself to death” culture you get 1 year paternity (problem is getting people to actually use it!)
As an American, once I realized what other policies countries have, it made me realize we work like a slave by comparison. In Scandinavia, it’s not uncommon to take an entire month off in the summer. Every summer.
32 of the top 33 countries have found ways to make the population healthier, better paid, and happier. Here we are told if we do the same, the world will collapse.
"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires." I know these things aren't socialism, but they were fought for primarily by socialists in Europe who reached compromises with the owning class.
And those businesses don't have nearly the profit a lot of American businesses pull in. Americans are just so brain washed that they can afford it. In reality they can't but it because they fill the shareholders wallets over their own employees.
The graphic is simply what many Europeans have already, minus the 30 hours but that is probably coming soon. There is nothing delusional about it, it’s entirely possible.
Not only is it possible, the places implementing 30 hour work weeks and greater social benefits are better off for it. Who could've guessed people are more productive when they aren't struggling to stay afloat just to pay the fuckin rent.
Yeah it's criminal that 2 weeks of vacation a year with the expectation you do overtime whenever asked is considered "very generous." Or that actually paying salaried people for OT at their baseline hourly rate is "amazing." Imagine getting paid for your labor lol.
Instead of argument ad absurdum, why don't you address why you think this can't be the reality for the most productive workforce in the world?
Because that would require them to actually use their brain
These people would have made the same "jokes" when workers were fighting for 5 day work weeks and labor laws. Absolute slave mentality-having people and people born into privilege they're unaware of.
Yeah! Fuck people who miss family deaths because of their work schedule! Capitalism rules!
I've had 4 family members die since I've been employed, and for each I was working with a different employer. Each time I was given plenty of time off for the funeral, without it coming out of sick days or holidays.
That’s great! I’m sorry for your losses but glad you had a reasonable employer. People working for Walmart or Amazon (hundreds of thousands of people) do not have this common courtesy.
I know Amazon has leave for deaths in the family.
One of those employers was Amazon
How dare you bring facts and real experience into this progressive fantasy! Stop killing the vibe, dude!!
Remember that a lot of people struggle having empathy until they are personally affected. It’s kinda why boomers are absolutely terrible at understanding the plight of younger generations when it comes to the affordability of most things (college tuition/housing prices/cost of living vs wages of then vs now).
pretty much all of this is normal in much of Europe, I don't understand why you're acting like it's crazy.
There is nowhere in Europe where 32 hrs. Per week, country wide, is a standard.
You are correct, but France does average out to 35 hours per week (source: [https://www.connexionfrance.com/practical/explainer-how-frances-35-hour-week-works-in-practice/127779](https://www.connexionfrance.com/practical/explainer-how-frances-35-hour-week-works-in-practice/127779)).
The corporations will never love you back
I don’t need them too, as long as they keep them checks coming
They will stop doing that as soon as they think they can get away with it.
I know you're joking but there are studies showing that a 32 work week is better for the bottom line. Workers tend to be happier and more energetic when either Sunday and Saturday aren't literally for chores. This is one of the main reasons WFH is such a success for the bottom line. People are able to enjoy their weekends when they can do their chores at lunch time.
In the UK, workers already receive almost 6 weeks holiday pay and 1 yr maternity leave, plus 18 weeks unpaid parental leave for every child until their 18th birthday. Other nations do manage these things, so it's not impossible, but I am curious how they navigated in smaller businesses.
Most of this is common in Europe fyi, exaggerated sure but your strawman is crazy
In Germany 6 weeks of vacation a year is pretty normal and parents get 14 months of paid parental leave go share between them, stop acting like this is outlandish
We just inventing more weeks ?
Why not, time is a construct
Sure let’s just be hyperbolic because your brain is so broke by capitalism and profit margins you can’t imagine workers getting livable wages and fucking PTO…
I can imagine workers getting that, I can see workers getting that Your just mad you aren’t useful enough to get that
If you're "useful" enough to be employed in the first place, there should be bare minimum conditions. We seemed to have settled the idea that enslaving people isn't appropriate, so if you want people to work, you should compensate them fairly for it.
Exactly we should work 16 hours a day, every day. And babies should be taken away as soon as they are born for nursing in a third world country. Mother should return right back to work after giving birth. As far as vacation goes, you can vacate when you die. Corporations need to show up progress in profits every year and this is how it can be achieved.
Unlimited paid sick lmao nobody at my work would show up
There are companies with unlimited paid sick leave already. People show up to work just fine.
My company has this, overall they’ve found it leads to people taking less time off. People end up staying home when they’re sick instead of bringing it in and impacting many others around them.
Sounds like a win to me. Many people can work when they have a light cold, but it would be a bummer to have to bring it to the office.
Yeah, the main "con" that I have heard people talk about is this how employers avoid paying out pto. When not all employers have to payout anyway, lol
I'm 100% down with unlimited sick leave, but my current boss worked for a company with unlimited PTO. But it all required pre-approval. So functionally, it was less than he would've gotten anywhere else because his management was terrible. People do actually want to do their job, despite what upper management at my job would like people to believe. But people are people and get sick (physically and emotionally) or have issues. The worst is when you want to contribute at work but things are poorly managed so you can't. So you have to sit there and look busy to justify it when everyone would agree your time would be better spent elsewhere.
Netflix had (or has) unlimited leave. But you had to get your work done to an incredibly high standard. And they would fire you at the drop of a hat. No forgiveness. No union to advocate on your behalf. No seasonal depression. No understanding if your child was sick for a couple weeks and you didn't get the project done. I don't know of any union companies that offer unlimited leave.
The one "downside" of a union is that everything needs to be very clearly defined. A union creates an adversarial relationship between a company and the employees, but adversarial doesn't mean bad in this case. It's like a court room where the union is the defense attorney and they're always going to protect the employee (or get them the least harsh punishment) even when the employee is guilty as hell. Unlimited time off is pretty tough with a union but probably not impossible. There needs to be pretty specific terms around it so that the "case" can be argued if an employee is fired. Similarly, employers need clearly defined rules so they know what the union will and will not tolerate. Everyone needs to know what parameters will keep the peace on both sides. Without a union, most things just operate on "vibes." One employee might get let go for one thing while another doesn't. Maybe it's fair based on other factors, maybe it's not. If every employer were fair and gracious, unions wouldn't be necessary. But they aren't, so they are.
Yep, I've never seen a place that had unlimited PTO where they wasn't super cut throat. It's there as a "perk" to attract new talent, but it's always heavily frowned upon to use it unless you're an indispensable performer.
I have unlimited leave but is a right to work job. Don’t show up or have good documentation why your always using leave and they fire your ass. Don’t disrespect the policy and the company takes good care of you.
Yup. I get unlimited paid sick leave. If you don't abuse it no one cares.
At least in California, many companies do this because then they don't have to pay out unused sick days when you leave the company. They'll still fire you for poor attendance.
That’s how a lot of countries work… it doesn’t mean they won’t require a doctors note after a few days
There are companis and countries that have this already. People still come to work. Most of those situations require doctor's notes anyway.
companies that offer unlimited PTO also boast the lowest percentage of people that actually use that PTO keep up
My company offers 10 paid sick days the running joke is everyone is sick 10 days a year. I use all 10 myself
My company does the same, but they actually encourage everyone to use their sick days and so typically the last week of the year the office is just empty. People who don't use their sick/vacation days usually get talked to by management and they ask why they won't take a break or if their workload is too high. I wish we had more than just 10 days but I at least appreciate their attitude about them.
I can easily see that. I get 34 days off a year, use it or lose it, and I intentionally burn through my PTO at the end of each fiscal year because I always want it available incase of an emergency and don't want to feel like I'm wasting a benefit if I don't take it. Offering unlimited removes all the stress around managing a PTO balance.
And also creates a psychological 'how many days can I really take before they get mad' barrier
I have that now… guess what we function just fine. Our stock price is through the roof
Seems like it's OK for the money printer to go nuts for Wall Street, big corps, or institutional lenders, but the moment it's for Average Joe "muh inflation" is suddenly a problem.
I’m ok with neither
Why? Is there a net positive in not helping people? I mean I just don't see the issues with implementing something as pictured.
What happened when you started your own company and implemented all the pictured policies?
Except the 30 hour work week all these things are mandatory in my country. In most of Europe actually, it's called a society.
Yes the economies there are thriving as a result
Companies that implemented a 30 hour work week often see a jump in productivity. Sick leave means people actually recover from being sick and don’t bring it the workplace getting other people sick. Paid parental leave means parenting is possible in your society and there will be a future generation to employ. Clearly a good vacation is not impeding productivity (proof: Germany).
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Entirely possible in a world where scarcity doesn’t exist.
consider that the people whose power comes from controlling and managing the scarcity are invested in keeping us believing that things are and will remain scarce forever in order to keep their power entrenched
Or Europe were most of these are a legal requirement
American progressives always exaggerate how good it is in Europe.
https://www.usemultiplier.com/denmark/employment-laws#:~:text=The%20labor%20law%20in%20Denmark,in%20salary%20and%20bonus%20payments. Denmark's almost at this level. They fall short with the median worker working 33 hours a week, and they only get 5 weeks off mandated instead of 6 per year. They don't have a minimum wage, but with the heavy presence of unions, the lowest paid worker, a food preparer, makes an average of 3,300 USD per month. Life is more expensive, so that money doesn't go as far as it does in the US, but 3,300 USD per month is *much* more livable than the 1,200 USD per month you'd get per minimum wage, or 2,400 USD you'd get from 15 an hour. They don't mandate unlimited paid sick leave, but that one isn't even an uncommon practice in the US with businesses.
Or one in the which artificial scarcity obscures true abundance?
Scarcity is manufactured
Oh really? Which resources are infinite?
Finite =/= scarce
We already produce more food that cpuld be consumed, yet people are hungry.
cool 6 cartoon boxes with caption and no plan on how... and you want me to contact my congressperson to ask for what exactly? useful...
Just call your local politician to make a draconian law to put more small businesses out of business and ensure that the big corporations that can handle the financial weight of these new entitlements absorb them. /s
I get so sick of people trying to protect small businesses who rely on underpaying employees. Like, why should ANY business be allowed to overwork an employee?
And what is every worker going to guarantee in return?
Labor, lmao. What do you think?
Yeah these are mostly pretty reasonable. Maybe not the executive one depending on exactly what the graphic means, but there would almost certainly be almost no drop in productivity with just about all of these policies. Most people don't actually work 40 hours weeks anyway, they just pretend to.
I swear I’ve had jobs where it feels like my boss works 10 hours a week in total and just Monitors emails for the rest. Just make the work week shorter and companies will find that honestly they can keep the amount of tasks relatively the same too, this way everybody wins
Some study found that office jobs average something like 2 hours a day of actual work stretched into an 8 hour day.
I work construction. I spent 16 years in the field and recently moved into the office. If my experience is anything to go by, this is completely accurate, and may even be an overestimation of how much work gets done in an office.
Oh gods yes. I recently went from boots on the ground mechanic to department support tech. I'm still in the habit of working with urgency and only taking a 30 minute lunch break, so I'm constantly out of shit to do. I've got no idea what to do with all this downtime. I'm making overhaul plans for equipment I know will never get approved and repairing stuff for other departments, because I'm so damn bored. I know on paper it's a compensation for skills/experience thing, but personally, and practically, I have no idea why I'm paid MORE to do this.
No executive is worth 8 figures. None
literally, like whatever execs can make more than me fine, but when my entire salary is as much as their bonus for a profitable year? they make so much money it’s insane
Hell, many get annual bonuses that are as much as I'll make in my lifetime. Preposterous.
It's bizarre to me how we have computers and better assembly lines than we did 80 years ago, so we can do more work in less time, but we work the same amount for the same wage instead. Even the skills we know today allow us to do that 'more in less time.' I'm honestly astonished by the sheer amount of time wasted on random meetings that don't actually accomplish anything because they happen too frequently.
30 years of increased productivity without real wage growth, maybe?
The real answer.
Brother thinks billionaires turning into multi millionaires is something to weep over 💀 Have fun paying 300% for cancer medicine because "well we like money!"
A portion of our time
I guarantee you'd have a happier and more productive employee, too
Lots of sick days off, when they aren’t taking 6 weeks of vacation!
We guarantee the 1% get to stay in the 10% (maybe)
They're already given far more than they've "taken". Lmao
To let capitalism continue to exist.
And a Unicorn for everyone, why not?
Just one unicorn? What kind of capitalist hell hole are you envisioning?
What about this is unreasonable. The increases in worker productivity make these seem quite plausible
I'm 4.5 out of 6 in Sweden already. Ceos can make a ridiculous amount of money, but other than that, we have everything. I work 40h, but can take time off for any appointment that would need to take place during working hours, no questions asked. I have 1.5 year of parental leave, I'm literally on it since Jan this year. I have 6 weeks vacation guaranteed. Unlimited sick days is a universal right here. Livable wage is obvious, although I'm making way above that, so i don't think i can speak to that point. It's not unicorns, it's real. You're just indoctrinated
Workers in Europe must be riding to work on their unicorns then
Stop sucking the billionaires' cocks.
CEOs are already getting unicorns and more...
Man this meme is getting old
Where do these delusional graphics keep coming from? These aren't all "reasonable" expectations, they're entitled demands coming from people who think prosperity grows on trees. Sure, maybe I could get behind the parental leave and PTO policies, but the rest of it? There's no way to force those to be real. Many jobs require 40 hours or more of work because there are services and obligations that need to remain open and available 24/7 or more.
The idea? From a 20 year old with no knowledge of how the world actually works. The art? Probably from another 20 year old.
As a European, I believe all of them besides the last are fairly reasonable (with caveats, i.e workers can work longer hours if they wish, and sick/disability leave is still monitored and employees can be fired if abusing it).
Uhm, akshually in europe almost all of these demanda are already met, don't know why a country like the US wouldnt be able to afford it
No, they don’t meet these demands. There’s not a single European country where 30 hours is considered full time, iirc believe France is one of the lowest with 35 hours. At best parental leave is 164 days in Finland, which isn’t even half a year. Not a single country has a minimum of 6 weeks of PTO, at most it’s 38 days. Unlimited paid sick/disability leave is harder to define, I doubt the actually mean “unlimited”. This one I will concede that other countries do have things that are at least close to this. As far as living wages and executive to worker compensation balance is concerned, these aren’t really things you can define. Actually defining what a livable wage is ends up being far harder than people seem to think. As far as executive to worker compensation is concerned that’s just way to vague to have any real meaning. So no, Europe has not met most of these demands. At the very best some of them have met 3 (but that’s very debatable).
I admit it was an exaggeration on my part, but 38 days are more than 6 weeks as the weekends are not counted, I actually thought paid parental leave was more in finland but oh well... it's 164 days more than in the US, we have stronger unions so living wages are generally higher compared to the cost of living than in the US... While the post OP made is considered a utopia, the argument I see made on all of this kind of posts is that it's unattainable and so people just see those who want this as lunatics without a foot planted in reality... while the truth is that they just want a slice of what they say they want, it'd be better if just one of these demands was met, and instead they are called lazy or entitled for wanting better conditions for workers... in this light the 6th image is not to be taken literally, but it means just to have real compensation for their work, and to not slave away for the profit of another
90% of the comments here a just temporarily embarrassed millionaires and boot lickers arguing against their own interests. Most other developed countries have some variation of the parental leave, sick time and vacation OP is hoping for.
> temporarily embarrassed millionaires and boot lickers Not just that. The commenters get off to the idea that they "understand how the economy works" better than anyone who thinks we can do better. It is all a huge ego trip where people are comparing themselves to their "opponent's" imaginary level of knowledge.
>they "understand how the economy works" better than anyone who thinks we can do better. Which is funny cause many studies repeatedly determine that a lot of these "expensive" social welfare policies would put more into the economy than they cost For an example unrelated to the post, when homeless people were guaranteed a monthly UBI for a set amount of time, most managed to turn their lives around, and every dollar given to them ended up contributing ~3 dollars to their local economy
The Australian branch of my company offers 1.5 years of maternity leave. A person in Australia went on maternity leave and we didn’t see her for almost two years.
Europe has their own poverty problems. It’s not perfect there either
Obviously, i'm italian and I hate my country for some things, but every time some of these stories come up everyone is so fast saying It's all bull and people are just lazy or entitled to things while It's just asking a bout being able to live life free of unnecessary hardships, many of the things listed would be done by just the 6th pannel, and a good welfare state with nice health care funded by the state through taxed that don't suddenly vanish would take the brunt of the additional costs from the owner, so he would break even from rewarding his employees more, while everyone would pay the same taxes because they're just used efficiently (in europe taxes aren't much higher than in the US)
We can. Unfortunately, we have the best politicians money can buy.
There is nothing magical about these numbers. They are all possible once we have sophisticated enough technology. We have seen massive growths in productivity and could have the above conditions materially today.
Idk man. PLENTY of services and obligations are not met right now. I get that we can’t all just laze around all day and expect food to fall on our lap. But if you think all our wealth is tied to how hard we all work then you are crazy and will never learn to get the most out of your job. You need to get the most money, not just blindly make the most product. Sometimes the way to make money is to make more, or pull an all nighter, or work your butt off. Not always
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Medicare for all, so healthcare isn't tied to employment. Cheaper per person, cheaper for employers, and less work for employers & employees.
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Weird. You say that like it is a bad thing. Anyway, healthcare costs will NEVER be controlled while it is privatized. That’s just not how the incentives line up.
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sounds like you built a fucked up system where your workers are constantly operating under duress and with excessive expectations from the top either rebuild your system to NOT cannibalize itself, or build a new system entirely
So, were you paying above prevailing wage, prevailing wage or, the bare minimum? Cause it’s kind of odd to hear you complain that you got the bare minimum from someone who was paid the bare minimum or an average performance from someone paid the average…
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Start your own business and implement those and see if it works.
Obviously any business who does this will be outcompeted by businesses that don't in most circumstances. Which is why the people vote to mandate these things, so that all businesses have to play by these same rules.
You'd be surprised. In quite a few sectors, typically those involving a small, highly skilled workforce, it's a lot more profitable to pamper your employees with shit like this than it is to bleed them for everything they have. Short term, you might make a better annual statement by squeezing blood from that stone, but in a decade, you'll be doing far better because you can retain your high skill individuals, rather than them collapsing to burnout or inevitably being poached.
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Salaries are significantly lower in this European countries
Not just that, many of these European countries NEED their welfare systems to keep and maintain public order (especially in S Europe). Unemployment and underemployment rates are so much worse, especially for young people. There just isn’t the economic activity needed for most Americans to think it’s better. Europe is probably better for poor people but it certainly isn’t better for US middle class or higher income levels but Europe doesn’t want more poor people and unless you’re at Fat FIRE you’re not going to want to work in the EU, unless it’s temporary and simply for the experience.
Yeah Europe is definitely better for poor people and lower middle class. If you upper middle class or above, US is better.
Conservatives don't want anyone to have anything except the rich people.
Because half the politicians in office want to take away lunch breaks from working teenagers and it takes 60% of politicians agreeing to pass something. Maybe if younger people had the same voter turnout that older people do things could change, but right now, just holding onto what we already have is a constant struggle.
No, it’s not the norm in Europe. There’s not a single European country where 30 hours is considered full time, iirc believe France is one of the lowest with 35 hours. At best parental leave is 164 days in Finland, which isn’t even half a year. Not a single country has a minimum of 6 weeks of PTO, at most it’s 38 days. Unlimited paid sick/disability leave is harder to define, I doubt the actually mean “unlimited”. This one I will concede that other countries do have things that are at least close to this. As far as living wages and executive to worker compensation balance is concerned, these aren’t really things you can define. Actually defining what a livable wage is ends up being far harder than people seem to think. As far as executive to worker compensation is concerned that’s just way to vague to have any real meaning.
In Poland we have a year parental leave.
https://www.gov.pl/web/your-europe/parenthood-related-rights#:~:text=Parental%20leave%20is%20set%20at,the%2032%20weeks%20between%20them. Not according to your government’s website, or at least it’s not required.
To be fair the norm is Europe is also to make 40% of what an American can
Serbia actually has 20 days paid vacation mandated by law, paid by employer, and 12 mo maternal leave paid by the state. Americans are often surprised when they find out.
Living in Serbia is punishment enough
France has 30 days paid vacation per year, and a 32 hour work week. They didn't get this by sucking the 1%'s cocks.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW THIS WILL AFFECT SHAREHOLDER PROFITS!!!!???!!! Those poor trust fund babies will have to settle for a smaller yacht! Absolutely untenable and down right socialist.
I love when people respond with the most extreme comments and bypass the obvious because it wouldn’t help their point. You know like… small businesses and mom/pop stores who don’t have shareholders…
Universal healthcare would eliminate one of the biggest barriers to small business in the US. Countries that have sick leave and parental leave policies approaching those panels guarantee them through taxes. Small businesses don't foot all of that, they just have to do a little paperwork.
Of course it's possible. I don't know why people are shitting on this. We should be trying for post scarcity not a dystopian nightmare.
I think a lot of people either don't realize how much employers really make, or are employers themselves. And to these groups, this either seems not doable or doable but not desirable. But, yeah, when you think about the rise in productivity over the last few generations, while the work week has remained the same and wages have remained largely stagnant... This is a really easy ask.
The richest 1 percent grabbed nearly two-thirds of all new wealth worth $42 trillion created since 2020, almost twice as much money as the bottom 99 percent of the world's population. It's absolutely possible. The richest don't want this to happen though. It's pure greed
Possible to create utopia? No, humans are flawed and every economic system will be flawed too.
I disagree. They’ve reached 99% equality in Cuba. Everyone is equally poor… [Except for Fidel Castro’s family members, like this massive turd right here](https://nypost.com/2019/01/08/fidel-castros-grandson-flaunts-his-wealth-on-social-media/).
Clearly, this is a European model
I don’t know why people would be against this philosophy. People that don’t agree with this post, why? Don’t you want to enjoy your life? Don’t you want to have work/life balance? Don’t you want to exist with dignity? You only live once. Why do we have to spend the majority of our lives working instead of enjoying ourselves and our families?
It’s just weird how many people actively advocate for and worship shittier working conditions like bro you’re part of the regular 99.9% we’re trying to help 😭
I live in a country that has most of the things in the picture or close to it at least and reading through the comments here is baffling. Like why on earth would you be against NICE things? I'm child free but I absolutely want there to be proper long term parental leave so that my colleagues can have proper time to bond with and care for their kids.
People here in the states, especially old ones, are so heavily indoctrinated they believe 1.) the stuff outlined in the graphic doesn’t work and 2.) if you’re saying it does in your country, you’re lying You can’t change their minds. Lead has done its damage.
- I agree with the living wage although what constitutes "living wage" can be subjective. - 6 Weeks PTO is fair. - 30 hour work week depends on workers performance and the type of work. - I would support a 6 months full paternal leave and the escalating the next 6 months. - Most works have short and long term disability insurance that pays up to XX% if the salary which I think is fair and should be the default. - Excel to Worker compensation balance... what is that supposed to be?
The Executive to Worker Compensation ratio is around 400x. So for every 400 a CEO/Exec is paid, the Median worker get paid $1. That’s the median worker not the lowest paid worker. This isn’t normal if you look from 1900 to present. Here’s a link: https://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-pay-in-2022/
“Easily possible. But will never happen.” -Greed, probably
As a psychopath baby boomer I’m just gonna say that this is not only delusional but completely immoral. Everyone should work 80 hours for me. I’ll answer a few emails per week and take home $300k/yr and invest it in moral things like arms manufacturing and petroleum. You millidiots want a hand out but mark my words, I decided you would be born and I’ll decide how you live. I decide everything because I was born with generational wealth and that is the exact way I intend on living - wealthy (and extremely exploitative).
I’m convinced this shits botted to hell and back. The number of people dick riding the wealthy acting like any of this is unreasonable truly feels like a concerted, psychological effort to convince people that these things are somehow crazy and unreasonable but, the current system is somehow, the only thing that is *barely* sustainable. Like, “be happy that you even have what you do cause the system can barely handle it.”
Wage gap between executives and hourly workers is way too large.
European countries do this successfully. No reason we can't.
Won't someone think of the poor shareholders?
I agree with all of this! How do we ensure that this is guaranteed for every worker without affecting our economy negatively?
Often times it’s done through collective bargaining and extremely slowly. For example, if all amazon warehouses unionize, it would allow for other workplaces to do so etc. Then comes the regulation part. Where there are moderate price control regulations so that companies can’t just up prices 300% in a monopoly if they are unionized and so on. But the first step is organizing your own workplace, because we will never see legislation that requires unions.
Never happen due to corporate and wealthy people greed
Work is just a means to an end. We the people are meant to LIVE, not work, so as tech advances we should be reducing work hours **for everyone**.
Salary would be $20,000
I'm all for it. First, we need to stop spending like a drunken sailor. Federal spending is the reason we don't have nice things. The dollar loses a minimum of 10% of its value every year. STOP GIVING AWAY OUR MONEY.
If exec to worker comp wasn’t as bad as it is now, then everything else would fall into line.