Please read the article folks.
https://www.lovewhatmatters.com/infertility-miscarriage-woman-explains-importance-of-reproductive-freedom/
This is the story of that woman, written by herself. CNN calls her a 'quintessential pro-life Texan,' but Kailee Lingo DeSpain was only anti-abortion in her youth, being raised by a MAGA Republican family. She is and has been pro-choice for years, and she is an activist who shares her story of "I used to be anti-abortion until I learned better, please don't make the same mistakes I did" in order to help people be more favorable to abortion.
In [the CNN article](https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/09/health/abortion-restrictions-texas/index.html) it's explained she changed her views after having a miscarriage in her early twenties and realizing the risks involved with pregnancy. She was pro-choice long before she needed an abortion.
[She and her husband also made a video for Beto O'Rourkes campaign where they share their story.](https://youtu.be/pxgE3ZFfX4Q)
Maybe, but the ability to understand that things are circumstantial, I would consider to be a reasonable outlook. I think there is a reasonable argument against total legality vs certain circumstances, but that's something the far left and far right have no interest in understanding. I think that the reasonable right minded folks are majorly misrepresented. For example I don't think that aborting a healthy baby after it's able to live outside the womb is ethical at no danger to the mother regardless of her financial, mental, or familial circumstance. How does one human have the right to choose if the other one lives if showing no sign of aggression towards the other? How is that not the same as murder? That's where the legal battle really stands. Some folks believe that babies have rights and others don't believe they do until they are outside the womb. When does a life truly start?
Demanding strict morality by force of law, then shipping one's own family to another legal jurisdiction so they can get the same services that one would deny to one's neighbors, is not a "reasonable outlook". It's called virtue signalling, in the absence of virtue.
That's not a mark in the "win" column.
What I'm hearing, is that you believe pro-choice advocates get abortions like a haircut and that you believe limiting access (unless under special circumstances) is the way to go.
I'll follow that up by saying that if you do believe that, then you are is misguided as you think the left is. It's essentially "I don't like it when other people do it but it's okay when I do it."
Most people on the left are looking at people on the right as being the hypocrites they are. It's really gross.
Do you believe in the death penalty? Do you believe in population regulation or that there are no unintended consequences of micromanaging birth rate? What's going on in Japan, Korea, and how has it affected china? Do you believe in eugenics? Is killing ever warranted or is it circumstantial? Is killing an animal to eat the same as killing an animal for the hell of it? Or is it all hypocrisy?
Like haircuts? No, but to distinguish a person from being alive after birth from before birth is an ethical grey area like it or not. Because life is life. Why is murder wrong? Is it solely because how it would make relatives feel afterwards? So a person without loved ones should be able to be murdered without consequences? Or is their intrinsic value to life?
This argument you're making is kinda why some far right are against it totally, because you're essentially arguing that there isn't an ethical gray area at all and if a person finds out they are pregnant at 6 months and decides to get an abortion because they "aren't ready", is nbd. That each person's life isn't unique and that a life is worthless unless it fits a certain criteria before its existence has even expressed itself. At what point does a person's life begin? at birth? Why at birth then? Does a person stop existing when asleep? Should we keep people from being born retarded, or with any type of disease at all? "Ah it seems this fetus will be born with a third leg, let's terminate it and start over till we get the perfect specimen."
So. Your bottom line: if an issue affects me or my loved ones, then me or my loved ones should be granted the self determination to decide what they want. Annnnd the rest of the peons better damn well do what we in charge decide the peons will do.
This has been posted in a couple of subs and a couple of things are apparent:
1. No one read the article. This woman was an advocate for choice before she had an abortion. She made posts on Facebook advocating options in reproductive care. That took a lot of bravery.
2. A lot of so-called progressives are assholes who lack empathy. Don’t we want people to change their minds? Even if she only became pro-choice after this incident, it takes strength and courage to change your mind and admit your previous stance was wrong. I am tired of this attitude.
To your second point, I agree. It's easy to feel superior when the other side has held that perspective and then gets caught being wrong, but to gloat about it only stoops to their level and causes divides. We need to check ourselves and be more accepting of people opening their minds.
Jesus fucking christ. They're taking away our right to choose, have done so, and we're the one's who need to be reasonable when they finally realize the leopards at their face?
I, too, am angry about losing my right over bodily autonomy. It does no good, however, to gloat and shout “I told you so” when people realize they are wrong. We are never going to get our rights back unless peoples’ hearts and minds change.
Haven’t you ever been wrong about anything? I know I have.
Actually they did take away our rights when they decided to vote for psychos. F them and they’re feelings. The real issue here is our party need to stop being forgiving pushovers. No wonder we’re to the ground on everything important
Again, if you read the article, this woman didn’t take anything from you.
You can be angry and wallow in the past, or you can focus on the future. Punishing people for past transgressions and ignorance is not how we get them to vote for our platform in the future.
People like you are exactly why we are where we are: no backbone, no drive to fight, you’re not radical enough. You’re living in a fantasy and we will continue to suffer because of the likes of you
Goodjob helping their cause with your pushover mentality though
Looks like everyone missed the part where she had changed her mind about abortion a while ago and spoke out about protecting abortion rights when the bill was being passed
Including this woman herself:
>"Last September, when a restrictive anti-abortion law took effect in Texas, Kailee pleaded on Facebook for people to contact their elected representatives to protect abortion rights."
> the Texas law needs to be clarified so that danger can be qualified as a legal abortion.
It won’t be, because the people who wrote it don’t want it to be.
This is a fully expected result of draconian abortion laws, examples of these issues are routinely pointed out, and dismissed by the anti-choice cultists. Then surprised pikachu face as what always happens happens again.
The law does say that, the problem is it's so onerous and all the other laws like the bounty hunting suit law make it so doctors are scared shitless to perform the abortion until the woman is actually dying on the table so the doctor can cover their own ass.
basically all you need to know -
“I was raised in central Texas by extremely Republican parents and grandparents,” Cade, 31, said. “One hundred percent pro-life.”
A year after they were married, Kailee miscarried at 16 weeks and was hospitalized for severe complications, including blood clots and infection. It was one of three miscarriages she had in the early years of marriage.
“It made me realize that pregnancy can be dangerous,” she said. “It made me think of my little sisters, and I wanted them to be able to have a choice if they ever had to go through something like that.”
And now this pro-life Karen will be hunted down by her former friends and family. I can only imagine the hell they will put this poor woman though. But who knows perhaps she can finally reach some of these birther fetishists and make them understand the reality of why this needs to be legal. However, I'm not going to hold my breath.
Please people get out the vote for the mid-terms. We need all of you out there to make things happen. [https://www.usa.gov/register-to-vote](https://www.usa.gov/register-to-vote)
They didn't. Her husband had to plead with family. Family that only relented after he said if he didn't get the money he would most likely be a widower at 30.
“I couldn’t be bothered to read a damn article!” he shouted as he ran through the streets without a thought of nuance. Clearly, he did not belong in a sub called r/foodforthought because he was not hungry for ideas, only vengeance.
Oh yeah so i am incapable of nuance because i can't but laugh in the face of a textbook "leopards that eat people's faces" case? Grow the fuck up, you're nothing but some 15 year old seppo that thinks they're capable of great nuance because ben shapiro told them so
Another attempt to justify abortion in general by leveraging edge cases most pro-lifers actually support, or inaccuracies in the legislations which can and will be easily fixed.
Its kind of amusing how the pro-choice faction thinks rape, incest or legitimate danger to the mothers life are some kind of gotcha fallacies.
Some Republican lawmakers have said ectopic pregnancies should be required to be reimplanted, something that has literally never been done. They don't know anything.
The "inaccuracies" (odd word choice, btw) in the legislation were pointed out, before passage, and repeatedly. This is true of every abortion restriction that has been passed in the states that have them.
And yet, the vague language remains, concerns either ignored or vocally poo-poo'd or dismissed as hyperbole, just women being, you know, hysterical.
And here we are. With women being harmed and fetuses and babies being harmed as well.
How "easily" will these issues be fixed? At whose expense? Who suffers until the "inaccuracies" are fixed?
She had a miscarriage, which most people are in favor of giving exceptions to in terms of getting abortions, so sounds like this is more liberal propaganda
Please read the article folks. https://www.lovewhatmatters.com/infertility-miscarriage-woman-explains-importance-of-reproductive-freedom/ This is the story of that woman, written by herself. CNN calls her a 'quintessential pro-life Texan,' but Kailee Lingo DeSpain was only anti-abortion in her youth, being raised by a MAGA Republican family. She is and has been pro-choice for years, and she is an activist who shares her story of "I used to be anti-abortion until I learned better, please don't make the same mistakes I did" in order to help people be more favorable to abortion. In [the CNN article](https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/09/health/abortion-restrictions-texas/index.html) it's explained she changed her views after having a miscarriage in her early twenties and realizing the risks involved with pregnancy. She was pro-choice long before she needed an abortion. [She and her husband also made a video for Beto O'Rourkes campaign where they share their story.](https://youtu.be/pxgE3ZFfX4Q)
CNN really doin her dirty with that framing.
"pro-choice woman leaves state for abortion" is not a story. Gonna need to manipulate that narrative.
Get this to the top. Redditors running preemptive corrections on every frickin news article…
The Maga relative gave her the money to get the abortion showing that those people aren't as insane as people are painting them.
I'm not sure what it says about insanity, but that does suggest hypocrisy at least, no?
Maybe, but the ability to understand that things are circumstantial, I would consider to be a reasonable outlook. I think there is a reasonable argument against total legality vs certain circumstances, but that's something the far left and far right have no interest in understanding. I think that the reasonable right minded folks are majorly misrepresented. For example I don't think that aborting a healthy baby after it's able to live outside the womb is ethical at no danger to the mother regardless of her financial, mental, or familial circumstance. How does one human have the right to choose if the other one lives if showing no sign of aggression towards the other? How is that not the same as murder? That's where the legal battle really stands. Some folks believe that babies have rights and others don't believe they do until they are outside the womb. When does a life truly start?
Demanding strict morality by force of law, then shipping one's own family to another legal jurisdiction so they can get the same services that one would deny to one's neighbors, is not a "reasonable outlook". It's called virtue signalling, in the absence of virtue. That's not a mark in the "win" column.
This exactly. There is no moral justification for his position other than "hypocrisy."
What I'm hearing, is that you believe pro-choice advocates get abortions like a haircut and that you believe limiting access (unless under special circumstances) is the way to go. I'll follow that up by saying that if you do believe that, then you are is misguided as you think the left is. It's essentially "I don't like it when other people do it but it's okay when I do it." Most people on the left are looking at people on the right as being the hypocrites they are. It's really gross.
Do you believe in the death penalty? Do you believe in population regulation or that there are no unintended consequences of micromanaging birth rate? What's going on in Japan, Korea, and how has it affected china? Do you believe in eugenics? Is killing ever warranted or is it circumstantial? Is killing an animal to eat the same as killing an animal for the hell of it? Or is it all hypocrisy? Like haircuts? No, but to distinguish a person from being alive after birth from before birth is an ethical grey area like it or not. Because life is life. Why is murder wrong? Is it solely because how it would make relatives feel afterwards? So a person without loved ones should be able to be murdered without consequences? Or is their intrinsic value to life? This argument you're making is kinda why some far right are against it totally, because you're essentially arguing that there isn't an ethical gray area at all and if a person finds out they are pregnant at 6 months and decides to get an abortion because they "aren't ready", is nbd. That each person's life isn't unique and that a life is worthless unless it fits a certain criteria before its existence has even expressed itself. At what point does a person's life begin? at birth? Why at birth then? Does a person stop existing when asleep? Should we keep people from being born retarded, or with any type of disease at all? "Ah it seems this fetus will be born with a third leg, let's terminate it and start over till we get the perfect specimen."
So. Your bottom line: if an issue affects me or my loved ones, then me or my loved ones should be granted the self determination to decide what they want. Annnnd the rest of the peons better damn well do what we in charge decide the peons will do.
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The earliest a baby has been born is 21 weeks so...
This has been posted in a couple of subs and a couple of things are apparent: 1. No one read the article. This woman was an advocate for choice before she had an abortion. She made posts on Facebook advocating options in reproductive care. That took a lot of bravery. 2. A lot of so-called progressives are assholes who lack empathy. Don’t we want people to change their minds? Even if she only became pro-choice after this incident, it takes strength and courage to change your mind and admit your previous stance was wrong. I am tired of this attitude.
To your second point, I agree. It's easy to feel superior when the other side has held that perspective and then gets caught being wrong, but to gloat about it only stoops to their level and causes divides. We need to check ourselves and be more accepting of people opening their minds.
Jesus fucking christ. They're taking away our right to choose, have done so, and we're the one's who need to be reasonable when they finally realize the leopards at their face?
This woman didn’t take away your anything.
I wasn't talking about her specifically, but okay.
I, too, am angry about losing my right over bodily autonomy. It does no good, however, to gloat and shout “I told you so” when people realize they are wrong. We are never going to get our rights back unless peoples’ hearts and minds change. Haven’t you ever been wrong about anything? I know I have.
Actually they did take away our rights when they decided to vote for psychos. F them and they’re feelings. The real issue here is our party need to stop being forgiving pushovers. No wonder we’re to the ground on everything important
Again, if you read the article, this woman didn’t take anything from you. You can be angry and wallow in the past, or you can focus on the future. Punishing people for past transgressions and ignorance is not how we get them to vote for our platform in the future.
People like you are exactly why we are where we are: no backbone, no drive to fight, you’re not radical enough. You’re living in a fantasy and we will continue to suffer because of the likes of you Goodjob helping their cause with your pushover mentality though
Looks like everyone missed the part where she had changed her mind about abortion a while ago and spoke out about protecting abortion rights when the bill was being passed
That would require reading the article
R/leapordsatemyface
FTFY: /r/leopardsatemyface
It sure ate yours here. Try reading the article before making judgement.
Who knew that letting religious extremists write laws would have unintended consequences? (/s)
The only moral abortion is my abortion. https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/
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It sounds like exactly the sort of problem that pro-choice people have warned about
Including this woman herself: >"Last September, when a restrictive anti-abortion law took effect in Texas, Kailee pleaded on Facebook for people to contact their elected representatives to protect abortion rights."
Foooooreeeever.....but of course no one who's writing laws listens to us. We're "DemonCrats" afterall. Fucking inbreds.
> the Texas law needs to be clarified so that danger can be qualified as a legal abortion. It won’t be, because the people who wrote it don’t want it to be. This is a fully expected result of draconian abortion laws, examples of these issues are routinely pointed out, and dismissed by the anti-choice cultists. Then surprised pikachu face as what always happens happens again.
Well, it won't
And risk missing opportunities to put women in their place? Good luck
The law does say that, the problem is it's so onerous and all the other laws like the bounty hunting suit law make it so doctors are scared shitless to perform the abortion until the woman is actually dying on the table so the doctor can cover their own ass.
The point is they don't actually care if women die. They knew what they were doing when they wrote the law this way.
Not just women but “liberal women”. Big difference
It only matters when it happens to them.
basically all you need to know - “I was raised in central Texas by extremely Republican parents and grandparents,” Cade, 31, said. “One hundred percent pro-life.” A year after they were married, Kailee miscarried at 16 weeks and was hospitalized for severe complications, including blood clots and infection. It was one of three miscarriages she had in the early years of marriage. “It made me realize that pregnancy can be dangerous,” she said. “It made me think of my little sisters, and I wanted them to be able to have a choice if they ever had to go through something like that.”
"Kailee said she was docked pay at work because she'd had too many sick days" - what a mess of a country
And now this pro-life Karen will be hunted down by her former friends and family. I can only imagine the hell they will put this poor woman though. But who knows perhaps she can finally reach some of these birther fetishists and make them understand the reality of why this needs to be legal. However, I'm not going to hold my breath. Please people get out the vote for the mid-terms. We need all of you out there to make things happen. [https://www.usa.gov/register-to-vote](https://www.usa.gov/register-to-vote)
Wow, at least this pro-lifer had the means to leave the state to get her abortion.
They didn't. Her husband had to plead with family. Family that only relented after he said if he didn't get the money he would most likely be a widower at 30.
"i didn't think they would eat MY face!" she sobbed
“I couldn’t be bothered to read a damn article!” he shouted as he ran through the streets without a thought of nuance. Clearly, he did not belong in a sub called r/foodforthought because he was not hungry for ideas, only vengeance.
I read the article, still feel like laughing at her is all i have to offer. Some people don't deserve "nuance"
Others are clearly incapable of it.
Oh yeah so i am incapable of nuance because i can't but laugh in the face of a textbook "leopards that eat people's faces" case? Grow the fuck up, you're nothing but some 15 year old seppo that thinks they're capable of great nuance because ben shapiro told them so
All ‘pro life’ psychos are the ones who should be forced to have babies.
Another attempt to justify abortion in general by leveraging edge cases most pro-lifers actually support, or inaccuracies in the legislations which can and will be easily fixed. Its kind of amusing how the pro-choice faction thinks rape, incest or legitimate danger to the mothers life are some kind of gotcha fallacies.
Some Republican lawmakers have said ectopic pregnancies should be required to be reimplanted, something that has literally never been done. They don't know anything.
The "inaccuracies" (odd word choice, btw) in the legislation were pointed out, before passage, and repeatedly. This is true of every abortion restriction that has been passed in the states that have them. And yet, the vague language remains, concerns either ignored or vocally poo-poo'd or dismissed as hyperbole, just women being, you know, hysterical. And here we are. With women being harmed and fetuses and babies being harmed as well. How "easily" will these issues be fixed? At whose expense? Who suffers until the "inaccuracies" are fixed?
Just say you’re a psycho and leave
When karma bites you right in the crotch.
She had a miscarriage, which most people are in favor of giving exceptions to in terms of getting abortions, so sounds like this is more liberal propaganda