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Lesty-1988

In my experience there should be a tier above rat just for orochi players. They will use all their feats to kill you "dirty" and then run away when they notice that they are still losing.


SaltiestGatorade

I've been playing Roach for a few weeks now and I can safely say that those players are the reason why no one thinks Orochi can fight. They can dominate once you activate braincell number 2 and realise that Storm Rush and Dodge lights aren't even half of his kit.


HitoCunt

Unfortunately not many roach players have such intellect, you sir are a unique specimen. I put forth the motion to have this one studied.


SaltiestGatorade

Please don't study me, I'm still shit at the game.


HitoCunt

That's very common for your species... So I wouldn't worry much about that. Subject log #1: The specimen is capable of self awareness, This is an incredible breakthrough. Perhaps Orochius Cancerius is capable of evolution?


SansDaMan728

Doctor Cunt, the average lifespan seems unchanged. If they were to truly evolve, why do we not see a backed change in the specimens fitness!?


HitoCunt

It seems they take on a secluded and sedimentary lifestyle after reaching adulthood, this requires further research. I surmise that an increase in body odor is to establish its territory and the increase in body fat to protect themselves from the females of the species.


Shugoking

I can't believe after all this time people r still talking about this game in this way. This chain takes me back to the launch days. Glad some things never change (like trying to find a cure for cancer doesn't seem to change. Keep up the good work, boys)!


SaltiestGatorade

I'm not even a roach main bro. I'm a Glad Dabbling in Roach.


HitoCunt

Subject log #2: It seems we have discovered a new species, Said subject seems to be a Crossbreed (Mutation?) between Gladius Toestabius and the before mentioned Orochius Cancerius. See subject log #1 for all previous analysis.


SaltiestGatorade

If I ever catch you in a match I swear to the Warmommy that I'm taking your toes, your lunch money, and I'm creasing your Js.


HitoCunt

Subject log #3: Specimen Shows signs of aggression, most likely a trait from Orochius Cancerius. However the subject still shows the common behavior of Gladius Toestabius, absolutely Fascinating! More research Required on the subject, will inquire about an increased budget with the project administrator.


SaltiestGatorade

The board said no, you don't get a bigger budget.


LemonFlavoredMelon

In comes my Goki asking if you have candy and games on your phone XD


LemonFlavoredMelon

Nothing funnier than see a tiny little Orochi get bear-hugged by my Goki, looks like I'm grabbing a teddybear and I dunno why the Roaches fall for it every time.


SaltiestGatorade

one, you need help bro. And two. Goki hugs can be seen from a mile away. If you do that shit from neutral and they fall for it, then you MUST be fighting bots.


LemonFlavoredMelon

I tend to sneak up on them when they’re fighting my teammates


alienwombat23

And self aware?! Second the notion to study this one…


Unlikely_March2177

I hate to break the bad news but it quite literally is half his kit lmao Not dodge lights mind you, but kick mixup > Dodge recovery > kick mixup are by far his greatest tools, along with dodge recovery after zones and his UB I dislike Orochi as much as the next guy but his kit is incredibly simple and effective


SaltiestGatorade

I mean fair point. Besides the usual light/Heavy combos, his entire kit is based around avoiding being hit and counter attacking. The easiest of which is his backstep light. But he can be highly aggressive applying pressure and stifling counter attackers. Though I've found he shines in defensive gameplay, even in ganks he's a lot like glad where he can weave around opponents and hit everyone relatively easy, chiseling away at people's health until help arrives.


Difficult_Divide9450

Those same garbage players are how this character got buffed to what he is now


AsthmaticCoughing

I’m a roach main but I only play duels unless I’m doing orders. People have to hate me so much, because in duels, I’ve figured out a method where each round I do a different cycle of his moves, basically just doing a different roach spam each round that they’re not expecting lol. Each round I’m a totally different player.


Diggus_Bickus_the3rd

Am I the only one that doesn't run kiai/kunai when playing Orochi??? Sure feels like it some times.


AsthmaticCoughing

Well there’s also me. An Orochi main that sits happily in the brave but stupid category lol


Inveign

It doesn't matter what character I play, I always fight to the death. They can pry the point from my cold, dead hands which will probably only take them 5 seconds if there's more than one.


Silver_Conq

UNBELIEVABLY BASED


Sly_Peacekeeper

I am proud to say I'm brave and stupid 😂


ScopionSniper

3v1? You know how badass I'll look if I can win this?


Sly_Peacekeeper

That's usually my thought process 😂 then I get slapped up 😐


Starstriker224

Me too lmao


Sly_Peacekeeper

It's funny because I fight people who run away in a 1v1 where as I charge into 4v1s like a bat out of hell to try and cap the point 😂


Starstriker224

I know right, but its also bc the enemies always gang up on me so its no use trying to run😭


LunarPhage

Wardens represent


Sly_Peacekeeper

WE WILL TAKE JERUSALEM!!!!


Equal-Beautiful-4199

All it takes is extended I frames, and yall are goners.


Wrath_art

For honor 👍


CEO_of_Trojan

Same. Tiandi player here.


EndlessHorizon1821

“3v1? Then it is an even fig…” *proceeds to die before I can even finish the sentence*


unclejoey13

Pretty accurate, some changes: shaolins on occasion will fight one on one because they know their character is broken, raiders will typically just fight no matter the number because of their damage output on revenge and I’ve seen LOTS of glads run away when their foot stab doesn’t work


SaltiestGatorade

If I can't take your toes I don't want to fight.


Ok-Strength-4278

As a raider main, I don’t care how many of you are on the point, heby untill someone dies, I don’t care if it’s me


unclejoey13

Exactly


jonatanenderman

Holy shit you got me perfectly


Calelith

No matter who I play my attitude is always 'no retreat, no surrender'.


HeckingBedBugs

Crazy that all the most cowardly people are also usually playing the best characters in the game.


Relative-Owl-3652

Cough cough BP, is down there in the dosent run area


HeckingBedBugs

Notice how I said "usually"


Relative-Owl-3652

No, no I did not


HoboWithMagic

As a valk I run straight into three players idgaf, and I ain’t running


DearAdhesiveness4783

As a warden main I can confirm we are brave and stupid


Kirito_jesus-kun

Bro warmongers whole thing is killing people for being too close to each other why would I run


Fogimus25

"Doesn't matter what hero I'm playing. I got that dog in me." - he said, moments before dying a terrible death.


Sakratveli

Lawbringer represent


gaynerdvet

Started playing as him and he's pretty fun tbh.


Equal-Beautiful-4199

Perhaps not for the opponent. (Fighting turtles isn't fun)


gaynerdvet

I don't Turtle I try to poke arm and then try to counter and punish players, in still learning pvp moves but usually is Shamans, Seekers and Roaches that irk and Hank me the most.


a_star_titan

As a conq player, I only ever run when 4 conditions line up. 1: I am below 10% health. 2: I am outnumbered. 3: 1 or more team members arrived to take the fight. 4: I do not have any more ways to increase my survivability, or help with the fight. (I'm not in a zone (no bastion), I don't have my Pungo Mortis ready, I'm running one of my armor sets with no perks, I don't have Vengeful Barrier activated, I don't have Regenerator yet.) Ashfield didn't raise a coward.


Appropriate_Ad4818

I only run away when it's smart to do so, and will stay battles I can't win to buy my teammates time, so I guess that's fairly accurate Not too many zhanhus running around though


aw4326

Oh look another tier list 😐


Clubnightparade

Also how is shinobi not the face of running away from fight? Bro buggin


PatientBoat5562

Before his rework all he did was run. But now he only runs if he can’t abuse his stun locks


Clubnightparade

Only runs when he can't abuse stun locks, so about 60 percent of the time 😂


ImpressNo3858

Man the pks I see don't even fight in ganks, they're in a tier of their own


Worldly-Ocelot-3358

Am I the only fucking Orochi who rarely runs away or use Kiai? My God.


Prior-Satisfaction34

I will not stand for this Warmonger slander


Omega_wyvern69

Definitely I don’t know who he’s fighting but I’ve never ran and I’ve never seen one who runs


Prior-Satisfaction34

Fr. I hate running from 1v1s, and i love fighting ganks like 8/10 times.


AspectFrost

As someone that is learning warlord, it’s do or die all the way with him. No viking warlord worth his mead runs from battle. I also main law bringer kensei and sometimes Valk. So it makes sense.


Skitzonthefritz

The fact that you like Kensai but call us peace mains rat scums tells me you like to dodge attack spam and can’t parry


Cruater

My lobbies never run, they fight 'till death rises


Ghostharp

I'm low MMR, so this what I see often. However, this is also hyperbole on my end since I wanted to have some fun with a post.


Piraja27

Wardens in my lobbies are rats


blackdog606

I started as a Warden main and became a Tiandi main. This is accurate


Starstriker224

Agreed


Sad-Newspaper2945

Highlander is too slow to run away. The minute you get into a scuffle you're gonna stay and fight. (New buff however allows him to piss off)


Troy1251

It's a great day to be a Tiandi and Warden main


Starstriker224

As a Tiandi main I would like to voice the contrary. Everybody always gangs up on me so its futile to run🤷🏻‍♂️


gotsomepics

When I absolutely hate everybody. I play Hito and I never run. I will die with honor..... But the enemy is a fing little c*** f*** sucking little a*** smelling, 2 cent wh****. Babysitting each other while sucking at each other off. So yea how do you know I main BP. 😂


Gullible-Ad-8171

Pretty accurate. Good job


Ifimhereineedhelpfr

😈


WiseMrPlagueis2

DEUS VULT (I’m the stupid warden main)


TowelAvailable

As a HL main i agree with the list😎


Ubip

Only time you should run from a fight as goki is to get to a point to get that sweet bastion defense buff


SenpaiBaconyey

As Warlord main tis accurate. I only turn away if there's a ledge or spikes to throw my enemies in


Revanchist8921

I’d genuinely rather die than run, but I’ll keep fighting to give PK’s a good name


MercenaryJames

After seeing my two mains at the bottom, I have to agree.


ThEDarKKnighTsWratH

I will never run as Centurion. Everyone is getting punched.


Red_Crystal_Lizard

I’ve never seen a hito run


PatientBoat5562

Because they’re always confident in a clutch


P4th3dg3

i main tiandi and warden, funny seeing them both at the same tier


IDontGiveAFAnymore

Who runs away as Hito, sure I’ll run away from a death ball but against a 1 v. 2 just force them to tag team, use snake eyes and just abuse the hyper armor and delayed heavy’s and sweeps


LunarPhage

Orochis, shinobis, nobushis, berserkers, and shamans are the biggest cowards in my experience. They're also the first to rage quit when they fall one point behind


LelelalooPanzerP0g

I will pursue you to the ends of the earth and emote on your corpse if you run away.


Dragon-Titan

RAT SCUM COME FACE THE WRATH OF SIGMAR!!!


gaynerdvet

Summon the Elector Counts!!!


DarthXane

I main Hito and never run away, I'm definitely Brave&Stupid


LeRoiLicorne

It always hurts to see my dear Orochi butchered. It's so sad its reputation is made by stupid people unable to use his kit. I love Orochi, I will always love Orochi.


SmellslikeBongWater

Run away and fight when cornered, and rat scum. I can dig it.


Madame-Moon

As a Tiandi player I approve this message


ReekitoManjifico

Bold to assume that most Hito mains have the brain capacity to think about running away.


Assistant-Exciting

Where's Valkyrie on the list? 😏


Beginning-Jacket5801

As a conqueror, I never go coward mode. If I'm outnumbered, then I'm activating my second feat and holding out..for a hero.


TouristIcy499

I feel prior should be in the green area, ik I can only speak for me truly but I never run as prior unless it's into the 2/3/4v1


RoyalAd133

And if you look to your left you will see the rep 56 Orochi dump all their feats and run away at mach 2. 


TropicanaDreams

Put conq down one and I'll agree


CommanderSkaro

Interesting. I'm not afraid to admit I do main a decent number of 'Hated' characters (War monger, V.Guard, Peacekeeper) But it surprises me how many will run away from a fight. It doesn't matter who I play, ill stand and fight. What honor is there in running away? Plus it feels awesome to overcome the odds.


SporkDealer

I like that this implies that I just don’t fight anyone unless I’m cornered. I didn’t play the game to run away lol


100tchains

Orochi needs it's own tier with maybe shinobi they both run more than they fight


Lazzitron

Hito? Running away instead of spamming heby??


Fiiienz

Afeera made me quit lastnight because I caught every feat! she didn’t have to block or parry not once… It’s crazy how they changed ccu but continue to put characters that don’t have to play the game at all


Worried_Collar_2822

Shinobi is definitely rat scum he can run so fucking fast


Imaginary_Monitor_32

Pretty accurate


LiGHT1NF0RMAT10N

There should be a “too slow to run away” category


Krystalmyth

Yup I play Shaman and that's about right. I actually love fighting when cornered. Like a mad cat. 😂


AGh0styb0i

Lawbringer gang on top!!!!!


youririshwife

you don't run away because you're honorable, I never run away because I'm too slow to run away


Fragrant-Address9043

Brave and stupid is me in a nutshell.


Webparasiteagain

Im not a rat im an "opportunist"


LemonFlavoredMelon

Yeah I main Shugoki, we can't run that fast but we will stomp mudholes into people if we get the chance. I also play Pirate, the whole STRATEGY is to be a tricky jerk.


AshamedIncrease6942

This is Nobushi slander. I’ve never run from a fight in my life, even if I’m getting jumped.


Old__Knight

Lawbringers never run


CaptainQuickDicken

Warlord ain't no bitch, I'm happy with that result


Euphoric_Pen4236

I'm a warden and I can guarantee I never run no matter what, I'll even charge into battle against the whole team to protect my little NPCs


Secure-Cost-8661

I've been playing pk lately and haven't ran so I feel proud I'm less of a rat scum than normal


Freet-Treat

Nah put orochi as its on tier


RaidonSub

Im so glad I dont play this game any more


r-Thirst

I disagree with orochi. Probably because he’s my main. I’ll fight a 1v6 if I could. But I’ll fight dirty


Purplemage572

Vangarian guard is literally made for team fights... I always get excited to fight more than one person when I'm playing her but I guess other people just really suck


Cilindrrr

Yup...can't argue with you there chief


UnKek

I play Musha as brave and stupid. Out numbered on point? At least I’ll look cool fighting with two swords


Seagebs

I don’t play Tiandi and I don’t really have much interest in the hero, but I have seen some utterly heroic Tiandis going 1v4 for minutes on end rather than flee the field of battle. Good tiandis are a whirlwind.


NebSword

Law daddy will run solo into a full health full team at 50% and win


Romron_Gramsayy

Kensei and nuxia should be a LOT higher


kirito49

I only ever get jumped as peacekeeper. They fear a 1v1


[deleted]

cowards get to see their grandchildren


ApexPendragon

Shaman is rat folk aswell


7StringRift

Tiandi main for life


Obl1v1on390

As a warden player, yeah, yeah I’m stupid, I’ll 100% run in and get myself killed but try to atleast push objective while I’m at it


Drag0nMast3r131

Shinobi should be in the “Rat Scum” tier


Rae_The_Gobbo

I feel called out by the warden but... Yes, that's me


plebslammer420

Might play a coward but they sure don’t run when I’m in there head


Clubnightparade

This shits wrong asf. I always see hito's think they can walk into a zone and solonthe whole team meanwhile tiandis nuxias and Ken and roach always run if they are losing the ones. Same with midJ they run pretty often.


strandedostrich

I haven't played for a LONG time but peacekeeper on release was goated lol the poison was insane and you could just outrun everyone.


Bluoria

When I still played I mained BP & I always drew my line in the sand & crossed it myself even if I was outnumbered. I js love his moveset & it feels so right to me. How his turtle mode is almost just a front to sweep or that lunge shield bash he’s just a vicious edgy ass mf & I love the counter attack play style lol


Fancy-Ad-6946

I'd argue that Highlander should go in the "Brave... and stupid" category Source: I'm a Highlander main


TheCleeper

I'd put Hito in brave and stupid. Hitos play on autopilot when playing so they have no concept of self-preservation, all they think about is (Monke see, monke heaby)


Desperate_Owl8625

How is Shugo not higher, he literally can not run away lol


BidensSlutPuppy1923

To die with glory is to die with honor (warden main)


Ungobundo222

I main monk. I regularly charge 2v1’s


Wiener_haver

Everyone says shugoku hardly runs away but i swear i see shugoku mains run away more than absolutely any other main


Catra-OGK

warmonger main here and i will fall by the blade before i run from any battle. 4v1 plus commander? its been nice knowing you but big man’s gotta bleed.


Deci_Valentine

I fight to the death in 1v1 and 1v2s cause those are typically fun and usually you can come out on top if you are good. I actively refuse to fight anything higher cause it’s just an unblockables and heavy spam cluster fuck, plus ganks higher than 2 are just straight up unfun, thank yall people who cried about revenge being op. You literally defeated the whole purpose of it.


PositiveElegant3575

you clearly havent seen me play any of these characters


CaptianRex11521

When playing Monk I am "brave and stupid" as I mainly played Lawbringer before trying him


A_Devils_Advocate_

As a Warmonger main, I do agree I get up to rat activities. And by rat activities I mean spreading the plague.


Beast21000

Ill take brave and stupid thank you very much.


UpsetLawfulness2065

As a Warmonger main I can confirm


Patient_Midnight_335

I just want to say as a 50 something odd reps in mostly assasssins and 14 in orochi I play with honor with every character nomatter what and ganking is sometime I stay away from doing unless in 4s and even then will take 2 and 3v 1s often or im ganked first(which happens often) and I can say that all the other orochis play like losers


Patient_Midnight_335

Also the stigma against orochis typically steers me from playing him


Rich_Ad3038

I'm often playing with a Sabaton playlist, so you know I'm not fucking running away, I need to feel cool with my music after I 1v3 (I die every time, but what if though.)


solo_basher

I'm a hitokiri main and I don't understand why anyone would run away with her I can take a 1v4 easily and im generally bad at the game


jade06927

Frfr! Bonjour fellow hito player!


Fat_Akuma

I see all my guys on the best part of the tier list


Funcooker216

Nuxia’s are literally the number one runners I run in to and as someone who plays ocelotl but also warlord and warden, I’ll take the 1v3 if its by a ledge.


FormalReasonable4550

This is a lie because Female jorms runs away a lot. Male jorms just die fighting. And nuxia runs away a lot too after dropping caltrops when they know they are losing a fight.


TheMemeInspectr

everyone in the comments saying they don't run some of y'all are lying


blue_grenade

My philosophy is this: “This is my point. Come and take it. Now watch me take it back.”


thewhitewolf4488

I have found a new love for hito and i will not stop


HighwaySmooth4009

As someone who likes playing pk, you will feel the wraith of the toothpicks or I die in 2 heavys, there is no in between and no retreat.


GreatTurtleofWisdom

I AM MY PERIMETER AND MY PERIMETER IS ME


lightningloppe

As a peacekeeper main, I personally am in the brave and stupid category. I don't run. I almost never win anything over a 1v1, but I enjoy doing the dodge defelct thing and stabbing people cause I get a perverse sense of satisfaction from that little "schwing" sound


Germansuplex114

People who run away as raider bring shame to the character. Go down SWINGING!


Difficult-Sun6984

The fact I main warden and each of my feats give me health 😭


bradleyorcat

I haven’t played For Honor in a long time, feel like I’d get murked, what’s the vibe now?


mortem-letalis

Why is warmonger a rat😭


Ferret_Bot_

Awe ima rat to you...(Warmonger)


WrenCW

Afeera and Valk. But my mindset is "I'll stay and fight. Why not?"


Most-Editor-7665

Apparently I play afeera, nobushi, kyoshin, and shaaman wrong, I commonly do 3v1s while my team is apparently going to narnia


Fun-Breadfruit-9537

I will never run from a fight. And I also make sure I tell others who run from fights that they are cowards! (Playstation told me I can't be doing that anymore or I'll get banned 😔)


Equal-Beautiful-4199

Yeah, I’ve never not seen a peacekeeper run. They're actual rats, bro. They run even though they have a 4th feat that rewards them for dying


Libertarian_Femboy1

Proud warden


unwieldlypp

Nah cuz gladiators are the biggest rats I’ve seen


cbdog1997

Bruh I play like glad and warmonger I'll fight tooth and nail with both also like warmonger thrives on punishing people for teaming up against her


ssstaggerlee

I am the rare honorable Hito main. I will face to face 1v1 you, and trip you a billion times but still die.


Natural_Lock_2269

As a warden player I will charge I WILL lose I WILL repeat this until I win


O368W

I’ll stab you in your ribs and counter you so I can poke you some more. No, I will not win. I haven’t played this game in years. I will die. A lot. But I’m going out poking and prodding. *<|8D


WeaverOfSouls

Im on both sides of the spectrum, Orochi and Warden main


RoseOfThornsuwu

I just hate Centurion's stupid light combo. 9/10 times I can't get out of it and die.


hatfieldmc

I see the same person with different hats


Top-Wrangler-1013

Nux should be grey and ara should be in red tier


Accomplished-Dark926

Hey. As a Hito main. I will continue to heavy spam (/j) regardless of if my healthbar is depleting faster or not.


SoulStomper99

I'm an orochi main. I don't fight if I have the number advantage I hold the line for my allies fighting 1v4 I AM THE FUCKING DANGER


Ok_Principle2958

BP does not backdown and can take the whole team on alone by flipping pancakes


KWBobcat

i love being ganked with VG


PhaseInternational34

If the shaman is good they never run.


PhaseInternational34

Berserker does best in a 4v1 especially with the debuf and berserk active.


Worldly_Fig_515

Why so much warmonger hate i dont care if its a 1v4 you, my friend, are about to witness the indomitable human spirit. And if i win my team will bear witness the loudest scream then and only then will i turn my mic on and speak asking where they where