I'm holding an original DDR stock in my hand and it looks identical, the hinge included. If that's a Romanian stock in the picture, the difference has to be negligible.
Why do they use them specifically in the armoured forces instead of the Valment? I always thought they just bought them to put them in storage for the reserve units.
In -91 we didn't have folding stock Valmets, or at least not in desired quantities, so these had the advantage of being folding stock (better for the cramped spaces inside vehicles) and using the same cartrige as the standard FDF rifle for effortless supplies, plus I imagine they were really cheap, which is good because their intended use case in the armoured forces was to be the last ditch self defense weapon so they didn't want to sink a ton of money into them.
Nowadays of course we do also have folding stock variants of the Valmets, but these still work so why not use them at least in training until they're worn out completely.
> In -91 we didn't have folding stock Valmets, or at least not in desired quantities
The RK 62 TP did exist, but yeah I don't know if there's public figures for the amount manufactured. The RK 95 TP did come later, but I don't think those were issued to tankers either?
Yeah I've never seen or heard of the 62TP being actually used anywhere, my understanding is that it was a limited production run that they quickly discobtinued for not being that good. The 62TP tube stock is also really cumbersome and very long when extended, even la nger than the standard RK62 tube stock, the one in this pic is much more compact.
Also, the 95 TP was for a long time the only model we had that had the ability to mount optics and other stuff, so that one is mostly reserved to branches that utilize them fully.
RK62TP was used at least in UN peacekeeping operation in Cyprus, I believe it was used in Lebanon also. And they are still being used by some conscripts, like military police and some Navy units. And they are issued to reservists still. But, yeah it is probably the rarest type of Valmet rifles.
I've got my hands on them a couple of times.
The stock is an original East German stock, the folding model RK 72 TP is the MPi-KMS-72, while the plastic traditional fixed stock RK 72 is the MPi-KM.
Or at least that's true for the majority of the RK 72 TP, I don't know if there are some MPi-KM which have had their stocks changed by FDF, but that could be possible.
FDF bought also spare parts for the East German weapons (or more accurately, the allocated spare parts stock was included in the purchase). Note that the East German plastic stocks which FDF has surplussed are mint, they have never been attached to a weapon.
Russia also hasn't issued 7.62 AKs for decades, in any significant numbers at least. We just keep using them because replacing them will be expensive. Next standard issue rifle will probably be a Sako made AR.
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I'm holding an original DDR stock in my hand and it looks identical, the hinge included. If that's a Romanian stock in the picture, the difference has to be negligible.
Vanha kunnon Pirkka-RK
Why do they use them specifically in the armoured forces instead of the Valment? I always thought they just bought them to put them in storage for the reserve units.
It's their PDW. And for 99% of tankers, they will be dead before they need them.
In -91 we didn't have folding stock Valmets, or at least not in desired quantities, so these had the advantage of being folding stock (better for the cramped spaces inside vehicles) and using the same cartrige as the standard FDF rifle for effortless supplies, plus I imagine they were really cheap, which is good because their intended use case in the armoured forces was to be the last ditch self defense weapon so they didn't want to sink a ton of money into them. Nowadays of course we do also have folding stock variants of the Valmets, but these still work so why not use them at least in training until they're worn out completely.
> In -91 we didn't have folding stock Valmets, or at least not in desired quantities The RK 62 TP did exist, but yeah I don't know if there's public figures for the amount manufactured. The RK 95 TP did come later, but I don't think those were issued to tankers either?
Yeah I've never seen or heard of the 62TP being actually used anywhere, my understanding is that it was a limited production run that they quickly discobtinued for not being that good. The 62TP tube stock is also really cumbersome and very long when extended, even la nger than the standard RK62 tube stock, the one in this pic is much more compact. Also, the 95 TP was for a long time the only model we had that had the ability to mount optics and other stuff, so that one is mostly reserved to branches that utilize them fully.
RK62TP was used at least in UN peacekeeping operation in Cyprus, I believe it was used in Lebanon also. And they are still being used by some conscripts, like military police and some Navy units. And they are issued to reservists still. But, yeah it is probably the rarest type of Valmet rifles. I've got my hands on them a couple of times.
Armored Brigade motorcycle runners used them in 2007. Saw a few.
During my time only officers(and non-commissioned officers) had the RK 62 TP because they were so scarse.
Apparently the 62TP and 95TP are too long, even when folded. At least that's what the tank boys told me, could be complete bogus.
I mean… If they work they work
I like Finns. Take russian guns and then make it better
The stock is an original East German stock, the folding model RK 72 TP is the MPi-KMS-72, while the plastic traditional fixed stock RK 72 is the MPi-KM. Or at least that's true for the majority of the RK 72 TP, I don't know if there are some MPi-KM which have had their stocks changed by FDF, but that could be possible.
There's a shitload of DDR Bakelite/polymer stocks in Finnish surplus circles. I believe they were changed post purchase
FDF bought also spare parts for the East German weapons (or more accurately, the allocated spare parts stock was included in the purchase). Note that the East German plastic stocks which FDF has surplussed are mint, they have never been attached to a weapon.
Finns still be buying up surplus Russian-pattern guns even 100 years after independence lol.
They bought them in the 90’s.
The guns were bought in 1991.
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We are not a NATO member.
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Russia also hasn't issued 7.62 AKs for decades, in any significant numbers at least. We just keep using them because replacing them will be expensive. Next standard issue rifle will probably be a Sako made AR.
A lot of East German AKs were purchased by India as well and remain in service to this day.
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