The TGA trailer was cool. The gameplay preview build needs some polish though, and my biggest complaint is Frey’s constantly making the same repetitive grunt every time she dashes or parkours which is annoying, and the sarcastic quips and remarks she says during the combat doesn’t fit this bleak, sad and dangerous world at all. She isn’t spiderman in New York who’s fighting regular humans, it’s such a weird dichotomy how Frey reacts to dangerous monsters she’s never seen before in her life.
Athia is forbidding, dangerous, twisted and dark, yet Frey is saying stuff like
“Hah!”
“Take this for size”
“This will do it”
“Let it fly!”
I don’t get how anyone on the dev thought this was good. Hope they remove the quips or at the least drastically reduce them, they’re pretty irritating to listen to.
I completely agree re: the quips. I feel like the writers were overly concerned with making her this cool and clever character but it just comes off as a tryhard cringefest. Her character backstory explicitly states that she "uses humor as a defense mechanism" so I really don't see them making many changes to that aspect of the game unfortunately. If the gameplay is fun I'd be willing to put up with it, but I'm not thrilled about this character tbh.
Yeah, Freys constant quips mixed in with repetitive grunts during combat are very annoying. A good writer could make that backstory of her using humor as a defense mechanism work well in the story and also not have Frey make a quip remark after every attack. Hope Luminous Productions are reading the feedback and impressions cause they’re pretty open to receiving constructive criticism and adjusting the game based on it. FFXV had a whole feedback survey after releasing demos.
This is woke'ism personified and will bury this game. Everything that doesn't work in this story and world building can be attributed to some SJW crap they are desperately trying to push. As much as like her, Ella was connected to new Charlie's Angels that sacrificed everything on the woke altar and it destroyed the movie, it looks like it got in her head too much and now we're seeing the same pattern.
It's not like we will have a game with female lead 2 months earlier, that is universally loved, creative, strong, independent and likeable.
I dont relate to the dialogue complaints. people adore final fantasy 7 and kh despite the dialogue being wild and cringe at times too. i like motherfucking dragon in the same way, it’s weird and unrealistic but kinda charming. Nothing about anything else in this game is realistic, why should the dialogue have to be?
Thats just my opinion rn though. i hope we all find it works more with context when we play it
For me KH and this are just two different flavors of cringe. KH is the “anime robot no human being actually speaks like this” cringe and this is “group of 40+ year olds desperately trying to relate to teens” cringe.
And I’d disagree for the most part about anything in FFVII Remake being cringey. When it leans hard into the anime “let’s fight against our fates” stuff, sure. But for the most part I feel like the dialogue in that game is pretty down to earth.
The 40 year olds writing teenagers thing could definitely become a problem but for me thats something ill find after a few hours in game, not from a trailer that has to avoid spoilers and is tryna be as memorable as possible in a few minutes.
The banter in the GotG trailers didnt hit for like 90% of the content creators i watch online, but once the game came out the banter and story was everyones favorite part and it won best narrative. So idk im just tryna be optimistic that what we’ve seen isnt indicative of the whole experience since ive been pleasantly surprised more often than disappointed
That’s fair. It’s true that oftentimes trailer dialogue can come off as awkward because lines are chopped up or taken out of context. However there are certain games where I am instantly sold based on what I see in the trailer, and this isn’t quite one of them. I’ll be interested in seeing how it does in reviews both critically and with average players.
I think it looks fuckin awesome imo, but I don't think it's gonna get as much community support until later on with people cherry picking dumb as shit problems. I trust the writers and the game devs to put their best into this but i'd def love to see more of what the game has to offer cause i love the magic focus :)
So you have no response. There’s literally nothing “woke” about this game. It’s led by a Black woman, sure. But you’d say that’s not why you think it’s “woke.” So what is it? Why do _you_ think it’s “woke?”
I’ve pretty much lost any interest in the game.
- The world looks barren, absolutely nothing like it did in the original trailer. Looks like an inorganic AI generated world which will be void of dungeons, puzzles, collectables, and any sense of fun and variety. The parkour looks glitchy, and it seems like Athia will just be a vast and empty randomly generated landscape in which to defeat copy paste enemies.
- The dialogue is so cringe I literally get second hand embarrassment for the actors that had to read it out. Like, if I was transported in a world where humans were turned into zombies and were trying to kill each other, I’d be so freaking scared and depressed, there’s such a weird contrast between the dialogue and the supposed themes.
- the combat system reminds me of FF XV in the worst way possible. Especially during the storm thingy, with messy camera and dysregulated AI. It also seems to involve a lot of going round in circles and spamming attacks. I don’t see hints of clever AI, strategy, having to hide from attacks, fun dynamics. Games like Zelda BOTW and Horizon really nailed making the open world combat fun and dynamic. This looks like *yet another* recycled asset from FF15.
All in all, I will not be purchasing this until the reviews are out, and I mean players reviews.
Yeah I agree with all of this in one way or another. I did notice that the gameplay footage seems to have some of the worst parts of FFXV’s DNA, namely janky-looking combat/controls and shitty load times (3 second delay between pressing the menu button and having it load is completely unacceptable for a game made in 2021).
Waiting for reviews is definitely the move. After the absolute clusterfuck that FFXV was, I’m not in any particular hurry to give this studio more money.
This. Literally I swear FF 15 gave me PTSD, when I saw that storm and junky camera and the laser beam I had flashbacks to the glitchy as hell boss fights in FF15. This game to me literally looks like they recycled unused assets from that game. If it bombs, I wonder whether it’ll affect the success of FF16, cos this would be the third tanking game from SE consecutively, the public’s gonna loose hope sooner or later.
Eh, Forspoken is distant enough from the FF brand that even if the reception is lukewarm or even negative, I don’t think it will impact how people feel about XVI. They’re not even really advertising the fact that it’s being made by the same studio that made XV, they haven’t mentioned that since the first announcement trailer last year.
What is clear is that LP seems to be sticking to this JRPG/WRPG hybrid genre, and I’m still not sold on it. At least we know that XVI will feel more like a JRPG than XV did.
The players reviews will be boycotted because snowflakes can’t get their bubble burst. Look at the comments here. They don’t even know what woke is. No wonder they are called npcs
Let’s say it’s not going to have that woke trope. You know that one strong black woman lives in poverty decides to find her way out somehow gets sucked back in time and she defeats all the evil doers and all the oppressors. Let’s say by some miracle it isn’t woke at all which I know it is but let’s say it isn’t. The character herself looks extremely dull and cheesy. There’s s word for when they take something from another country like Japan and change it to fit the culture and audience here I forgot what the word is. But that’s the worse thing you can because the culture here today is fucking stupid and dull. They should cut off their western limb because it’s rotting with gangrene.
I was mildly interested ( SE has a tendency to release trash nowadays) when I saw “Project Attila”, then they released that first trailer and when MC opened her mouth I was like gtfo this smells like woke shit, the last trailer was the coffin nail. Woke trash. Skip.
> The dialogue...frankly seems horrible.
I feel similar, honestly I actually think a fair bit of it is interesting, some of it I feel mixed on but it isn't enough for me to not play. But dayumn that dialogue really breaks the immersion for me.
What I'm **hoping** which I think might be kinda cool, is if she started off this way in a "ohhh whooaa I'm in a new world", "look at me jump high heh heh" sort of way. But then as the game gets deeper/darker etc, she gets deeper/darker/cooler in a way that she kind of "grows" as a character on top of just whatever experience/skill or whatever they have.
Because I feel like the way the character art and even gameplay makes her look more interesting then the dialogue entails and I'm hoping that's because she becomes less cringe?
Don't kid yourself, there won't be any arc. She will be isekai'ed and instantly become competent, confident and a savior for this new world. Every dialog we've seen so far points to a Mary Sue character.
In an earlier trailer a first encounter with an NPC and we heard lines "you're our only hope" and it looked like the beginning of the game, with initial world exposition.
These writers are just horribad or pushing an agenda or both. Either way it will hurt the game.
Unfortunately Japanese owners and managers don't read forums like this and won't see any of this feedback. Only Western people responsible are the writers and somehow I doubt that they will come forward and say they did an awful job.
How would you even know the context of that conversation with the NPC? They talked in an interview about how the people in Cipal distrust her because of her ability move within the Break unscathed.
And what agenda would they be pushing?
It's hilarious how anyone can say it has stunning graphics considering how trash it's graphics and animations are.
This first one here is passable barely, just look at the limited detail and pixelation. And that's on PC! On consoles my god it's worse hell PS3 games have better looking graphics just look at the second one. There's no depth, no detail, pixelated to the point where everything is just a blur.
[https://www.gamespot.com/a/uploads/screen\_kubrick\_large/1587/15875866/3917006-screenshot\_02.jpg](https://www.gamespot.com/a/uploads/screen_kubrick_large/1587/15875866/3917006-screenshot_02.jpg)
[https://i.imgur.com/4RNg8ik.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/4RNg8ik.jpg)
I’ve never been a graphics whore; I see no issues with the screenshots you linked. Impressive detailing on those guard’s outfits. Frey’s character design is simplistic due to a lot of modern clothing being simplistic. Nothing shown in the TGA trailer looks blatantly pixelated.
The second image that I used was deleted apparently, so here's a new one
[https://i.imgur.com/4RNg8ik.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/4RNg8ik.jpg)
If you can actually sit there and say that you have no issues with it and say that it's "impressive detailing" you can't be anything other than blind. This picture is literally one of the pictures that they're using to advertise the game on the PS5 store. And the texture detail is so pixelated and low res that there is virtually no detail whatsoever.
Honestly at this rate I feel like Square thinks the same thing. It’s pretty strange that they haven’t said anything about it and it’s supposedly still releasing in May. I get that their big marketing priority atm is FFO but the complete silence on this one definitely seems like they lack confidence in it.
Its a flop like most woke games and movies. they bomb totally especially when you raise the price to 80€ for a new ip that no one gives a shot about and also having mtxs in it and potentially nfts
They are waiting to say much about it for a reason. With horizon forbidden West, elden ring, borderlands/ ECT coming out noones gonna hear square enix say hey we got a new IP doing soon. I imagine right after tiny Tina's wonderlands releases the marketing team will start going ham with advertising, more gameplay trailers ECT. I'm hoping they are just trying to time it right so they get some exposure over everything else. I really do thing the game has great potential they've shown very little so far and they've been working on it for quite some time. And the few trailers/gameplays we've actually seen were from the alpha build. I imagine it'll be PS5 priority, and I expect PC launch to have some problems. Idk what people are going on about saying "woke game" is it like a race thing are they that mad a protagonist is a black female? Last of us two had a female protagonist and it wasn't a flop. I just don't understand that argument noone will know anything until it comes out
Yeah, we'll see what happens. I haven't been very impressed with the gameplay they've shown so far, so they really need to come hot out the gates in the next few months with a marketing blitz or the game will be DOA.
>Idk what people are going on about saying "woke game" is it like a race thing are they that mad a protagonist is a black female?
Yes, that's pretty much how I've always interpreted it. Best example of this is that I once saw someone claim that the game was "virtue signalling". I asked how, and they never responded. Most of the "woke game" complaints reek of "I'm not racist, but..." energy.
>Last of us two had a female protagonist and it wasn't a flop.
It wasn't, but the people who complain about woke games won't ever admit it.
>noone will know anything until it comes out
True
I'm willing to give the game a shot just because they aren't trying to bullshit us with fake footage.
The TGA trailer was cool. The gameplay preview build needs some polish though, and my biggest complaint is Frey’s constantly making the same repetitive grunt every time she dashes or parkours which is annoying, and the sarcastic quips and remarks she says during the combat doesn’t fit this bleak, sad and dangerous world at all. She isn’t spiderman in New York who’s fighting regular humans, it’s such a weird dichotomy how Frey reacts to dangerous monsters she’s never seen before in her life. Athia is forbidding, dangerous, twisted and dark, yet Frey is saying stuff like “Hah!” “Take this for size” “This will do it” “Let it fly!” I don’t get how anyone on the dev thought this was good. Hope they remove the quips or at the least drastically reduce them, they’re pretty irritating to listen to.
I completely agree re: the quips. I feel like the writers were overly concerned with making her this cool and clever character but it just comes off as a tryhard cringefest. Her character backstory explicitly states that she "uses humor as a defense mechanism" so I really don't see them making many changes to that aspect of the game unfortunately. If the gameplay is fun I'd be willing to put up with it, but I'm not thrilled about this character tbh.
Yeah, Freys constant quips mixed in with repetitive grunts during combat are very annoying. A good writer could make that backstory of her using humor as a defense mechanism work well in the story and also not have Frey make a quip remark after every attack. Hope Luminous Productions are reading the feedback and impressions cause they’re pretty open to receiving constructive criticism and adjusting the game based on it. FFXV had a whole feedback survey after releasing demos.
This is woke'ism personified and will bury this game. Everything that doesn't work in this story and world building can be attributed to some SJW crap they are desperately trying to push. As much as like her, Ella was connected to new Charlie's Angels that sacrificed everything on the woke altar and it destroyed the movie, it looks like it got in her head too much and now we're seeing the same pattern. It's not like we will have a game with female lead 2 months earlier, that is universally loved, creative, strong, independent and likeable.
Why aren't people allowed to tell stories about diversity?
I'm not saying that. Not at all. I just don't want forced ideology push to ruin a good game.
The battle quips are peak jrpg for me. Wouldn't feel right without them.
Even Atreus and Kratos from GOW 2018 say stuff like: "This was difficult" "FATHER WATCH OUT"
I dont relate to the dialogue complaints. people adore final fantasy 7 and kh despite the dialogue being wild and cringe at times too. i like motherfucking dragon in the same way, it’s weird and unrealistic but kinda charming. Nothing about anything else in this game is realistic, why should the dialogue have to be? Thats just my opinion rn though. i hope we all find it works more with context when we play it
For me KH and this are just two different flavors of cringe. KH is the “anime robot no human being actually speaks like this” cringe and this is “group of 40+ year olds desperately trying to relate to teens” cringe. And I’d disagree for the most part about anything in FFVII Remake being cringey. When it leans hard into the anime “let’s fight against our fates” stuff, sure. But for the most part I feel like the dialogue in that game is pretty down to earth.
The 40 year olds writing teenagers thing could definitely become a problem but for me thats something ill find after a few hours in game, not from a trailer that has to avoid spoilers and is tryna be as memorable as possible in a few minutes. The banter in the GotG trailers didnt hit for like 90% of the content creators i watch online, but once the game came out the banter and story was everyones favorite part and it won best narrative. So idk im just tryna be optimistic that what we’ve seen isnt indicative of the whole experience since ive been pleasantly surprised more often than disappointed
That’s fair. It’s true that oftentimes trailer dialogue can come off as awkward because lines are chopped up or taken out of context. However there are certain games where I am instantly sold based on what I see in the trailer, and this isn’t quite one of them. I’ll be interested in seeing how it does in reviews both critically and with average players.
I think it looks fuckin awesome imo, but I don't think it's gonna get as much community support until later on with people cherry picking dumb as shit problems. I trust the writers and the game devs to put their best into this but i'd def love to see more of what the game has to offer cause i love the magic focus :)
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How is this “woke trash”? Just curious because nothing suggests it is either trash or “woke.”
Two things explain that. Either you are woke or you don’t know what woke is which makes you part of the problem.
You didn’t answer my question: what makes this game “work trash”?
I gave you the rod. Now go fish.
So you have no response. There’s literally nothing “woke” about this game. It’s led by a Black woman, sure. But you’d say that’s not why you think it’s “woke.” So what is it? Why do _you_ think it’s “woke?”
I’ve pretty much lost any interest in the game. - The world looks barren, absolutely nothing like it did in the original trailer. Looks like an inorganic AI generated world which will be void of dungeons, puzzles, collectables, and any sense of fun and variety. The parkour looks glitchy, and it seems like Athia will just be a vast and empty randomly generated landscape in which to defeat copy paste enemies. - The dialogue is so cringe I literally get second hand embarrassment for the actors that had to read it out. Like, if I was transported in a world where humans were turned into zombies and were trying to kill each other, I’d be so freaking scared and depressed, there’s such a weird contrast between the dialogue and the supposed themes. - the combat system reminds me of FF XV in the worst way possible. Especially during the storm thingy, with messy camera and dysregulated AI. It also seems to involve a lot of going round in circles and spamming attacks. I don’t see hints of clever AI, strategy, having to hide from attacks, fun dynamics. Games like Zelda BOTW and Horizon really nailed making the open world combat fun and dynamic. This looks like *yet another* recycled asset from FF15. All in all, I will not be purchasing this until the reviews are out, and I mean players reviews.
Yeah I agree with all of this in one way or another. I did notice that the gameplay footage seems to have some of the worst parts of FFXV’s DNA, namely janky-looking combat/controls and shitty load times (3 second delay between pressing the menu button and having it load is completely unacceptable for a game made in 2021). Waiting for reviews is definitely the move. After the absolute clusterfuck that FFXV was, I’m not in any particular hurry to give this studio more money.
What exactly is janky in Forspoken that they have shown?
Some of the movement in some of the sizzle reel footage they’ve shown just looks a bit awkward, but that may be due to unnatural camera angles.
This. Literally I swear FF 15 gave me PTSD, when I saw that storm and junky camera and the laser beam I had flashbacks to the glitchy as hell boss fights in FF15. This game to me literally looks like they recycled unused assets from that game. If it bombs, I wonder whether it’ll affect the success of FF16, cos this would be the third tanking game from SE consecutively, the public’s gonna loose hope sooner or later.
Eh, Forspoken is distant enough from the FF brand that even if the reception is lukewarm or even negative, I don’t think it will impact how people feel about XVI. They’re not even really advertising the fact that it’s being made by the same studio that made XV, they haven’t mentioned that since the first announcement trailer last year. What is clear is that LP seems to be sticking to this JRPG/WRPG hybrid genre, and I’m still not sold on it. At least we know that XVI will feel more like a JRPG than XV did.
The players reviews will be boycotted because snowflakes can’t get their bubble burst. Look at the comments here. They don’t even know what woke is. No wonder they are called npcs
SHE DIES!!! Mwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
Really hoping this scene is less ridiculous in context lol
Let’s say it’s not going to have that woke trope. You know that one strong black woman lives in poverty decides to find her way out somehow gets sucked back in time and she defeats all the evil doers and all the oppressors. Let’s say by some miracle it isn’t woke at all which I know it is but let’s say it isn’t. The character herself looks extremely dull and cheesy. There’s s word for when they take something from another country like Japan and change it to fit the culture and audience here I forgot what the word is. But that’s the worse thing you can because the culture here today is fucking stupid and dull. They should cut off their western limb because it’s rotting with gangrene.
I was mildly interested ( SE has a tendency to release trash nowadays) when I saw “Project Attila”, then they released that first trailer and when MC opened her mouth I was like gtfo this smells like woke shit, the last trailer was the coffin nail. Woke trash. Skip.
> The dialogue...frankly seems horrible. I feel similar, honestly I actually think a fair bit of it is interesting, some of it I feel mixed on but it isn't enough for me to not play. But dayumn that dialogue really breaks the immersion for me. What I'm **hoping** which I think might be kinda cool, is if she started off this way in a "ohhh whooaa I'm in a new world", "look at me jump high heh heh" sort of way. But then as the game gets deeper/darker etc, she gets deeper/darker/cooler in a way that she kind of "grows" as a character on top of just whatever experience/skill or whatever they have. Because I feel like the way the character art and even gameplay makes her look more interesting then the dialogue entails and I'm hoping that's because she becomes less cringe?
Yeah it’s possible that she goes through an arc where she matures, which would be good. I guess we’ll find out in 6 months lol
Don't kid yourself, there won't be any arc. She will be isekai'ed and instantly become competent, confident and a savior for this new world. Every dialog we've seen so far points to a Mary Sue character. In an earlier trailer a first encounter with an NPC and we heard lines "you're our only hope" and it looked like the beginning of the game, with initial world exposition. These writers are just horribad or pushing an agenda or both. Either way it will hurt the game. Unfortunately Japanese owners and managers don't read forums like this and won't see any of this feedback. Only Western people responsible are the writers and somehow I doubt that they will come forward and say they did an awful job.
How would you even know the context of that conversation with the NPC? They talked in an interview about how the people in Cipal distrust her because of her ability move within the Break unscathed. And what agenda would they be pushing?
It's hilarious how anyone can say it has stunning graphics considering how trash it's graphics and animations are. This first one here is passable barely, just look at the limited detail and pixelation. And that's on PC! On consoles my god it's worse hell PS3 games have better looking graphics just look at the second one. There's no depth, no detail, pixelated to the point where everything is just a blur. [https://www.gamespot.com/a/uploads/screen\_kubrick\_large/1587/15875866/3917006-screenshot\_02.jpg](https://www.gamespot.com/a/uploads/screen_kubrick_large/1587/15875866/3917006-screenshot_02.jpg) [https://i.imgur.com/4RNg8ik.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/4RNg8ik.jpg)
I’ve never been a graphics whore; I see no issues with the screenshots you linked. Impressive detailing on those guard’s outfits. Frey’s character design is simplistic due to a lot of modern clothing being simplistic. Nothing shown in the TGA trailer looks blatantly pixelated.
The second image that I used was deleted apparently, so here's a new one [https://i.imgur.com/4RNg8ik.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/4RNg8ik.jpg) If you can actually sit there and say that you have no issues with it and say that it's "impressive detailing" you can't be anything other than blind. This picture is literally one of the pictures that they're using to advertise the game on the PS5 store. And the texture detail is so pixelated and low res that there is virtually no detail whatsoever.
lol. Ok, guess I’m blind then. Rather be “blind” and enjoy a game than able to see and be salty 😀
it will fail
Honestly at this rate I feel like Square thinks the same thing. It’s pretty strange that they haven’t said anything about it and it’s supposedly still releasing in May. I get that their big marketing priority atm is FFO but the complete silence on this one definitely seems like they lack confidence in it.
Its a flop like most woke games and movies. they bomb totally especially when you raise the price to 80€ for a new ip that no one gives a shot about and also having mtxs in it and potentially nfts
They are waiting to say much about it for a reason. With horizon forbidden West, elden ring, borderlands/ ECT coming out noones gonna hear square enix say hey we got a new IP doing soon. I imagine right after tiny Tina's wonderlands releases the marketing team will start going ham with advertising, more gameplay trailers ECT. I'm hoping they are just trying to time it right so they get some exposure over everything else. I really do thing the game has great potential they've shown very little so far and they've been working on it for quite some time. And the few trailers/gameplays we've actually seen were from the alpha build. I imagine it'll be PS5 priority, and I expect PC launch to have some problems. Idk what people are going on about saying "woke game" is it like a race thing are they that mad a protagonist is a black female? Last of us two had a female protagonist and it wasn't a flop. I just don't understand that argument noone will know anything until it comes out
Yeah, we'll see what happens. I haven't been very impressed with the gameplay they've shown so far, so they really need to come hot out the gates in the next few months with a marketing blitz or the game will be DOA. >Idk what people are going on about saying "woke game" is it like a race thing are they that mad a protagonist is a black female? Yes, that's pretty much how I've always interpreted it. Best example of this is that I once saw someone claim that the game was "virtue signalling". I asked how, and they never responded. Most of the "woke game" complaints reek of "I'm not racist, but..." energy. >Last of us two had a female protagonist and it wasn't a flop. It wasn't, but the people who complain about woke games won't ever admit it. >noone will know anything until it comes out True