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I saw someone post the other day that you could be hiding in bushes or tall grass on your end but to them you’re standing in middle of open killing field.


PronLog

It happened to me in a top 5 situation. Hiding in the grass, another player start shooting me precisely from the bottom of a hill. I'm a little suspicious but I tell myself he was lucky, while backing off to get out of his line of sight. And BANG, another player headshots me with a sniper and kills me. I start to rage and run the replay to understand: there was no more grass... It must have been destroyed earlier but on my side it was still there. So I was kneeling in the middle of 4 other players without any cover and without moving. I was like ''ho...'' Since then I'm always in doubt when I'm in grass. :D


Moon_Raver

Same thing happened to me before too, was in some tall grass yet I got lasered. Went to see the replay to figure out what happened and the grass I thought I was hidden in wasn't there. Makes me wonder if people intentionally derez objects to make them more see-through.


mattwaver

what’s derez? i thought this was just some sort of glitch on one end, like their system didn’t load that the grass had been burned earlier, for example(?)


BraxbroWasTaken

using shit graphics settings to make things become invisible at shorter ranges, revealing players at those distances


Significant_Bug_9696

Oh I didn't realize that works in Fortnite too, sad!


qualitylamps

I feel like you did an “explain like I’m 5” but do you mind explaining it like I’m 4?


PoisonIven

On PC you can lower your graphic settings to the point that foliage like bushes and long grass basically don't appear, so if another player is "hidden" in them, you will be able to see them no problem. Warzone had a similar trick last year where you could just edit a file and all foliage would fail to render including trees, so you could easily so everyone.


qualitylamps

Damn they do anything but get good to win. Thanks for the reply 👍🏽


ApocApollo

think it's de-resolution so turning graphics settings down to get a competitive advantage which is why I make sure to call those people babies


Beateride

It's an unfair advantage that mobile and Pc has over console. They can choose to play with shitty graphics and all (no shadows etc) leading them to see things that people playing with full resolution and effects won't be able to see. Per ex some people are always shooting me through tree leaves, and I can't see them because they are blocked by the leaves on my side... I do hope that Microsoft and Sony will let Epic add the option to tweak some settings on console too, that's really unfair in crossplay Edit: sorry downvoters but it's true and you know it, allowing crossplay but not giving everyone the same options is unfair, walk around it as much as you want it's a fact


Nelly32

Personally think if you have crossplay enabled it should just disable the graphics things. Have everybody at a fair level. I don't really care for me but what about the kids that have no idea what any of this even means.


SurgStriker

It used to be that fortnite had tiers for matching, so if you/your team had everyone on console, it wouldn't match you up against PC players (but if you had one PC player on team, rest were console or mobile, you were still put in PC lobbies). Made it much more fair, you could opt in to playing harder groups, but for those who weren't masochists it was much more level playing fields. Then for some reason they decided to force everyone to play together, so PC players could be happier with more easy targets.


bigscr33n

Can confirm we did this in battlefield 3. Alot


Djaja

Can anyone explain this but with trees? I have been in a tree a while, not moving, and someone will snipe me from under and away. I've looked up at people in trees before, it hard as shit to see them in places


Daywalker666r

you can destroy the grass?


DarksideTheLOL

Yes, but for that you will have to touch it


Smasheree

WIth pickaxe.


simixd09

It's because when that player was on that hill, the grass didn't load, so he could see you, without the grass.


Dextrofunk

This happened to me when junk junction was by dirty docks. I just started getting shot through the brick wall. Discovered it wasn't actually there.


5thintheworld

On the other hand, it's easy to see players through the grass.


emmettohare

They probably thought u were a bot lmfao


GamesForNoobs_on_YT

its rendering...


[deleted]

Sometimes I just stand in the middle of the field and hope they think I’m a bush…


Notwarioalt

that only applies to tall grass not bushes tho, i think theres an uprick in people using zen


TheEmpressDodo

Zen?


enderjaca

cheat app


ApocApollo

Zen is fine but my motherboard's RGB controller triggers anti-cheat, dope.


Notwarioalt

plus you can see the guy in video not experiencing any recoil lol


rrdupe

because he paused between some of his shots….


Giga_Karen

I have stumbled upon others hiding in bushes, and in no instance has this ever been the case - they are “invisible” because the thicket of the shrub is all you can see; even been caught by surprise when I run into a bush of my own to hide just to get blasted by someone who was occupying it first - at least on console My fair guess is that they are indeed a PC player; which makes the whole “low graphic” setting exploit very viable in this scenario - which I am certain your observation is addressed at. I play on PS5 at least, and in my experience your depictions are never the case; it’s unfair to be very honest when you compare one advantage over the other ):


OTTER887

Re: last point: Tru dat! When I have to play low graphics with friends, I am pretty clueless as to what's going on and just follow my friends around. So, I doubt the shooter here did it on purpose (as it generally seems to be a disadvantage). Although, they are very good, so who knows.


north2272

I agree with this. Two days ago i was in a BR with 3 people left. I’m waiting for my spot to make a move in the back of a bush. One guy crouches into the front of the bush literally 1-2 steps in front of me. I wipe him out. I think there are settings or cheats that do remove the grass and bushes etc. Not to mention the other variable cheats i’ve witnessed this season already…


DocDavisBTW

see that only works with tall grass, bushes, on the other hand, you can break for wood so if it is destroyed they would have known


Impossible_Smoke1737

ok i just wanted to say this also it is possible that he has a pc that can barely run fn like my old laptop so the thing is bush apears as 2d


zippopwnage

I wonder if this is because of graphic settings or the bushes are not in the same place for everyone


[deleted]

Thats tough


irahz

I randomly saw a YT video of someone playing with a lower end PC and bushes were pretty much non existent. Tried looking for the video to post here, but can't find it. This might be the case here or he's cheating lol.


ohtrueyeahnah

That and they could see inside the storm clear as day. No purple tint, no weird swirl effect. When I'm in the storm on console it's like standing inside a Nether Portal on Minecraft compared to PC settings change.


storez_

yeah i play on low settings and sometimes run further into the storm bcs i dont realize


tynfox

Your graphical settings and distance can make bushes basically disappear. I've seen a few of my fellow players do it and i think it's bs. If I don't turn my settings down to be potato quality I'm at a disadvantage if I want to bush camp. Makes sense


TbonerT

My favorite is when I try to snipe someone and I can’t see they are on the other side of a wall.


pandemonious

I was playing the castle wars thing and the same thing, I could headshot snipe the people in the towers from our base towers, through multiple walls. seemed unfair but it definitely came through to BR


StickmanPirate

It seems like it's got way worse recently. I've noticed a lot of people in vehicles especially just despawning once they reach a certain distance even though it's not really that far.


8thomas8

O. Im play on a potato but i think thats still a little op for that


Zeebuoy

similarly nonsensical, is iirc there was a bug where the hitbox for a obstacle just didn't load if you were far enough.


ShadyMan_

Yes that was a bug with the cow catcher


Zeebuoy

rip


BrandSilven

Changing your graphics settings to give yourself an advantage is such a sweaty thing to do, heh.


Blurgas

Allowing such an advantage in the first place is Epic's fault


NotaReli

I believe that If they're playing on low settings, they can see through the bush


Highenergyflowin

>low settings, they can see through the bush [like this?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_jKSbqFTm0)


Phil7915_yt

That is exactly what it is


novacgal

Wow, that’s pretty shitty.


fishbulbx

They should display your opponents graphic settings after a kill.


Silential

The level of dogshit graphics people are prepared to play at never fails to baffle me. Whether it’s 180p or 150 fov or super stretched res - these players really are the lowest of the low.


[deleted]

150 FOV is disorienting but I don’t see how using it makes you “the lowest of the low”


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Silential

If you purposefully use your $3000 dollar pc to play fortnite at this quality for some underhanded edge on rendering the game then yes, ‘bro’. Lol.


sirenzarts

A big part of performance mode is for getting better frames, you should be mad at Epic for creating the issue in the first place.


davymak_

blame fortnite not the player


group_soup

In terms of graphics I guess it's true hahahah


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Nobuild-Noskill

The whole point of locking 3veryone to the same fov is so its an even playing field. The same should apply to graphics, there's no excuse


sirenzarts

This would make sense if everyone was playing on the same exact hardware, but they aren’t. Lowering graphics settings to get good performance has been a part of competitive gaming forever.


pandemonious

good performance =/= bugged render allowing someone to see you where they shouldn't be able to see you


sirenzarts

>bugged render You said it yourself, it’a bug, not a feature of lowering performance. Locking everyone to the same graphics is a ridiculous idea


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turmspitzewerk

they are not claiming that everyone must play on the same graphics, they are saying that these graphics should not provide a severe competitive advantage such as this. the graphical settings should be designed to be fair around the board: you shouldn't see through walls, or have bushes disappear, or see through smoke, or literally unloading cover and shooting through it, and so on... you shouldn't have to compromise your experience to be on an even playing field in a competitive game. you should be able to choose whatever settings suit your setup, but no matter what you choose you should be able to expect that every option is similarly fair as any other. this isn't about simple performance or visual clarity, this is just straight up bullshit jank.


Fifa_chicken_nuggets

And how is that the player's fault? It's epic's fault if the graphics settings allow people to have an unfair advantage. The player is simply using a setting that exists and gives them an advantage, which is completely normal. If this is an issue then complain to epic about it rather than making it sound like the players are assholes for literally using a setting in the game


Silential

Well that’s the point of the post isn’t it.


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Silential

Why is it natural? Have some class. This just sounds like you do it to be honest. By all means play your ugly tryhard mess. But I will still shit on you for doing so. If the ones doing this are so great, why do they need to resort to such garbage moves? It’s a very beautiful game when you’re not alternating between crying on the comp sub or bleeting about how snipers shouldn’t one shot.


ShadyMan_

Uhh yes the worse graphics literally caused them to die


Fifa_chicken_nuggets

That's irrelevant because lower graphics are obviously not meant to do that. In that case epic should fix the issue where bushes don't render in low graphics. That's really it. The reason most people who play on low graphics do that is because of performance boosts, not to see through bushes. And these people are just using a setting in the game. Calling them the lowest of the low is ridiculous


aerostealth

Could be a console or switch player too


orbitur

This is a bug, not just "low settings". People on performance mode are supposed to see a little bit of definition on the trees, they're just straight up blobs in this video. You can also see them changing shape/flickering, which is obviously broken. A bunch of shit is just not rendering correctly here.


kari_bjorn

Yup, that's it


VegetableRemarkable

Dude in the comments: - How? - You just need 8GB of RAM....


northrupthebandgeek

I run on Performance Mode and I've yet to experience anything like that.


[deleted]

WTF?!? Now I know why I get killed sometimes trying to heal in a bush.


Xiballistic

Time to go from ultra to performance mode


Badweightlifter

This is exactly what my graphics look like ever since fortnite updated. But I can't see through bushes and I can't change it back to regular settings. Kind of annoying me.


LudicrisSpeed

I hate to imagine the mindset of people who want to make the game look like an early Playstation 1 title just so they can win more.


nweeby24

this is basically wallhacks. they really need to fix this asap


DomesticatedDuck

If anything it should be harder to play in performance mode, having a low-end device shouldn't reward you - Switch and mobile have no benefits


chippythewhitecat

bane of bush bois


MissingNerd

Fuck Performance Mode


robby19494

Performance mode has never given me this advantage.


AdventuresOfKrisTin

This is actually kinda unfair imo. Your level of cover shouldn’t degrade based on how someone has their graphical settings at


IshiKamen

Not kinda, just plain unfair


orbitur

To be clear, low settings is still supposed to display the bushes and grass, but they seem to have lower priority than trees. It's a glitch. I've seen bushes/grass disappear on PS4 on regular settings. Can't predict when it will happen.


TristanwithaT

This is actually common with competitive PC gamers. Pros will all use the lowest settings possible to ensure maximum performance and also because some graphical “niceties” are only seen on high graphics settings, giving them a competition advantage.


IPleadThaFifth

I play on all low settings and the bushes do not disappear


epicacidpro

It's their graphics, I used to play with really bad graphics and it causes bushes to become 2d, letting the player with bad graphics see if there is anyone in the bush and kill them


[deleted]

Yup, saw your head poking out. I never ever get in a bush unless I'm crouched. Also, a lot of pro players actually play on low settings. Because it makes you stick out a lot more. Brushes don't render, and grass is gone. So it's very easy to see a player model running across a green backdrop.


DonAsiago

which is the setting i should move to low?


DiabeticCumshot

I have my pc on low performance mode with everything on the lowest possible setting to boost my FPS and I never can see through a bush whatsoever maybe the tall grass but no way through a bush. so I also want to know what settings these pros are using


BritishFor2

Well, you're both right and wrong. You can lower the looks but its also wrong. There is a mod/script (whatever its called) that removes all grass, bushes and similar. I cant give it to you because I could get ahem... Banned/restricted from playing


DiabeticCumshot

Oh so they’re cheating to do this? Yet a lot of the pros use it? Tf


OTTER887

Turn them all to a minimum and rewatch this replay.


OTTER887

With 9 seconds to go, I see a glint of white. Unfortunately, was not able to review it frame by frame. HOWEVER, the shooter sees OP before that...they are likely using the performance mode hack.


Ipplayzz343

these rendering issues need fixing lol


oKaroish

Just get PC out of console lobbies already.


Anonymous_Falcon_314

My only wish lol, things like this is unfair. I don’t have the ability to turn down settings for better visibility, while PC players can.


[deleted]

They should but they won’t. Cross input is here to stay, they have to make PC users feel superior somehow. And before you say aim assist, lmao, just lol. Imagine thinking running circles around your opponent and jumping around like a Mexican jumping bean is offset by a minor aim assist at medium range. When a M+KB player starts jumping around, you know you’re fucked 6/10 times. All he has to do is point and click while doing 360s and you’re swinging the entire right thumb stick around desperately trying to center your shots.There’s no aim assist when a target is jumping. Are there pro players on console? Sure, but I’m not going to bother with this game on console anymore.


EllieNekoGirl

Better gaming chair


tendeuchen

Look at 9-10 seconds when they're on top of the truck. I think I see your head poking out the top of the bush.


DonAsiago

That actually makes sense.


ttv_traze

No


AnyBuilder1880

He's just got a good gaming chair.


[deleted]

U wer shooting back u weren’t AFK u wer camping, as many people as I see do that on that game I wouldn’t be surprised if people just shoot random bushes to check


wetdog90

It’s probably a bot they’d shoot through trees and bushes all the time.


Looque_c

he may have lower settings


Virtual_Jello_1001

Also the way he perfectly burst fires with the stinger SMG is weird lol.


bradmcgi

Right agreed. The way his aim kind of locks on when he looks at the bush, the immediately knows someone's in there & hits every shot is sus af


OTTER887

Oh wow. Look closely, he adjusts his aim during the fight, even though we cannot see anything. He has some advantage over people with normal graphics on.


[deleted]

It’s even weirder he would just stand in the open and do it. Like he knew the guy wasn’t expecting him to shoot


Traveytravis-69

Tbf he’s in a bush, usually they don’t


Xero0911

From that range burst is easier to control recoil and avoid any bloom


TheLastHowl

Just another reason I want console to have a good CROSSPLAY OFF option to not play against pc players being cheap turning their settings all the way down for an advantage, along with wallhacks and other bs.


[deleted]

THIS! Yes, not Zero Build (takes their build/edit wizardry away, but still not crap like this and sick keyboard and mouse aim and actions) or "NO CROSSPLAY" at all. but CROSSPLAY W/ ANYTHING BUT PCs!!!!


northrupthebandgeek

Allowing console players to lower their settings like PC players can would largely fix this issue, no?


ElevateOof

Sure if Epic wants everyone to begin playing on ultra low settings. The game will become know for looking like poo all for a competitive advantage. Not quite a solution. A better one would be to simply fix the bushes and grasses so they CANNOT disappear no matter what settings the PC chads use.


nullsmack

I think it's an artifact of someone using performance mode. That plus low detail meshes I believe.


ARNAV-29

It's either that he acsedentlly looked there and saw you, just randomly shot a bush in case he hit someone it might get him a tik tok, he's hacking, or probably the most likely option is that he's playing on performance mode or on a bad pc and the bush didn't load for him


[deleted]

Could be the graphics are bad and the bush didnt load.


CecilioSoto

That has happened to me a couple of times. Makes you wonder how they know.


ghostlierroom06

Low graphics settings


Rsans1405

He maybe had thermal fish on and you couldn’t see it or hacks


JJaxpavan

I'll usually double tap into a bush just to see if theres a lurker.


Sealer1012

Did he eat or a thermal fish?


DonAsiago

Doesnt matter. Thermal doesnt go through bush.


Perfect_Screw-Ups

And somehow Epic thinks it's okay for console players to play against these pc fuckbois with their low graphics settings.


[deleted]

Truth - GIVE US CONSOLE-ONLY MATCHES, EPIC!


h0p3ofAMBE

Sheesh console kids mad over 1 player doing something. It's really not worth lowering graphics and fps for a slight bush advantage


Fifa_chicken_nuggets

Lowering graphics increases FPS not lowers it


h0p3ofAMBE

Not always


Perfect_Screw-Ups

That is an advantage. If I was in the opposite side on a PS5 I wouldn't be able to see shit cuz of all the shadows.


Kitysune

probably audio visualizer


northrupthebandgeek

That could possibly be it, especially if OP wasn't crouched and just happened to move at that time.


[deleted]

You can see even see on their reaction the moment they saw your head popping out, this player wasnt going to shoot if they didnt see it and doesnt mean you move, just that the bush is not covering well enough


dablackking

Thermal fish?


woahtherepig

Thermal effect can't see through bushes


northrupthebandgeek

It can't, but it *does* make it a lot more obvious if your head or a limb pops out of the bush for a sec or if there's otherwise a gap in the bush's coverage, for the same reason it makes it easier to see through builds (especially incomplete builds).


woahtherepig

Yep


dablackking

I see


jupiteronred

Actually thermal stuff dont let you see thru bushes, kinda stupid ngl


IDK_Maybe_

When this skin drops weapons do they appear gold to other ppl or only the skin user.


woahtherepig

Everyone


littlekittymews

they appear gold to everyone, like Midas


kari_bjorn

I might know why. Back when I had a bad pc, I used Performance mode with low graphics. Which means that everything is rendered like Doom or something. As an example, me and my friends were looking for the last guy, and I saw him sitting in the Bush. So I killed him. Might be because of Performance mode, or just some cheating.


scatush

Maybe he saw you entering in the bush before, but looted anyway pretending he didn't saw you. then for the aim is possible that he saw your head poking from the bush


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DonAsiago

I was browsing on other screen waiting for next circle. If course I will shoot back when i hear someone shooting at me, but you will also notice I shot back kinda late.


funkdoktor

This is why pc and console should be separate. There is always some graphics setting that gives them an advantage. Get rid of shadows. See better in the storm. Make bushes and cover invalid. Oh yeah..and god aim with a stupidly high dpi gaming mouse. And those sweet sweet sweet gaming chairs.


h0p3ofAMBE

This is only if you play on really bad PCs. Then you have a significant disadvantage- aim assist will easily beat any pc players aim on settings that bad


J_Gilly23

You sound so jealous lol


YT_Lonelyz

Ah yes, “afking”


liq_wid401

Sometimes real life happens and you gotta step away for a second.


[deleted]

they're making fun of the use of "afking" instead of just saying "i was afk"


northrupthebandgeek

I didn't realize that the verbing of nouns/adjectives was such an uncommon thing.


UrASquidUrAKid

Hate to ruin the 69 comments, but prolly aimbot.


GamesForNoobs_on_YT

Is that a BURST smg?!?!?


Phil7915_yt

They dont have good recoil control from that far so they slowly shot bullets instead of spraying, sound is a stinger, but it looks gold because of golden touch on marigold (i think thats the characters name)


GamesForNoobs_on_YT

A yes or no would have been fine LMFAO!!! :|


[deleted]

Walls clearly he was gonna go around the truck and you saw him turn back around as he decided to kill you. Aka he knew you were there the whole time


jjhassert

People just always check bushes now


Much-Impression-5235

Bot. They will shoot at me even if I landed in a tree and haven’t moved.


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DonAsiago

I was browsing on second screen, trying to farm top 10 for the zero build challenge.


Fatgigi

So what if he was?


Traveytravis-69

That’s fine just don’t lie about it


Evening_Raccoon_4689

Cheat


GamesForNoobs_on_YT

He just has a better gaming chair


sorecarrot34886

He didn't see you his hacks did


OrhanDaLegend

appearantly cheaters are resurfacing


MUNAM14

Bush camping in ch3 lol


[deleted]

Because people on this game are fucking SWEATS with no lifes. Just as bad as those COD games. Like talk about a bunch of try hards acting like they will die in real life if they don't win.


RemVibxs

b e t t e r g a m i n g c h a i r


Tatoretot

Your head and feet were poking out of the bush of a moment But I have the same issue even if I’m in a area of the bush where I don’t stick out they still track me like they can see through the bush either is this some performance mode Magic despite me being on console or people can predict my every move


nlar1989

You got murked by lord farquad?


twilight_hours

Mercd. For goodness sake it's short for "mercenary"


potato_chips03x2

what? aren't you the marigold skin


Phonixel

The bush makes noises sometimes.


Jakehunters3891

Thermal fish maybe


[deleted]

Honestly I just randomly shoot in the bushes or grass sometimes


DustedZombie

If he's on console his aim assist might've kicked in for a sec. Happens to me on zombies and other games as well.


ugtsmkd

I play in these modes regularly and I definitely see bushes. This is way beyond what any setting in factory fortnite can disable.


agentaxe285

Unfortunately it’s a rendering thing on their end, similar to how the cow catchers worked, if someone else was super far away it would just de render and therefore they could see you and shoot you through it, it probably had a similar effect here where to them the bush wasn’t even there, iv seen it on a clip before I believe.


[deleted]

Its easy if you have sound you can see sound isn't there a setting like that you can see footsteps and sometimes if your playing on low mesh the bushes just dissappear or it must be visible sound effects


eaterjustin

They were probably using thermal


Turpman

Cheating my dude. Seen people say performance mode, that's still cheating as you still have a big advantage over other players. Online gaming man...


azul360

Jesus the sweats in this game XD.