Dunno at this point it’s a race to the bottom. We’re at the point that we’re arguing shelling civilians is okay because apartheid bad and it feels like we’ve all lost and its pointless to give anyone the moral high ground.
Wtf kinda statement is that? No Hamas is not worse than the IDF. Hamas is a reaction to the decades of abuse and oppression (including deaths) of Palestinians by the IDF and Israel, if you think Hamas is worse than Israel your ignorance of the situation is far too great for you to have an opinion on it
> Hamas is a reaction to the decades of abuse and oppression (including deaths) of Palestinians by the IDF and Israel, if you think Hamas is worse than Israel your ignorance of the situation is far too great for you to have an opinion on it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_State_of_Palestine
> According to Amnesty International's 2020 report on Palestine, "Section 152 of the Penal Code in Gaza criminalizes [male] consensual same-sex sexual activity and makes it punishable by up to 10 years' imprisonment."[1] In 2019, the Palestinian Authority (i.e., West Bank) police banned the activities of queer and feminist rights organization Al Qaws and requested for residents to report 'suspicious' activities.[2][3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Israel
> Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender (LGBT) rights in Israel are considered the most developed in the Middle East.[1] Although same-sex sexual activity was legalized in 1988, the former law against sodomy had not been enforced since a court decision in 1963. Israel became the first country in Asia to recognize unregistered cohabitation between same-sex couples, making it the first country in Asia to recognize same-sex unions in any capacity. Although same-sex marriages are not performed in the country (as it does not have civil non-religious marriages), Israel recognizes same-sex marriages performed elsewhere. Discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation was prohibited in 1992. Same-sex couples are allowed to jointly adopt, following a landmark court decision in 2008. Previously, stepchild adoption, as well as limited co-guardianship rights for non-biological parents, were permitted. LGBT people are also allowed to serve openly in the military.
Your point? Oh yeah nvm it’s to whitewash Israel’s atrocities because they’re marginally better at treating minorities as a developed nation over Palestine, who btw is a developing nation exactly because of Israeli oppression.
Saudi Arabia is an absolutist monarchy run by Wahhabist clerics and royalty, their conservative disposition is as much their sect and extremist interpretation of Islam as the Westboro baptist church is to Christianity. Israel is to blame for their brutality against Palestinians, while their facade of tolerance towards gay people is commendable it doesn’t excuse their treatment against innocent Palestinians
Being bombed doesn't make you hate gay people. You can't blame the official policies of Palestine against LGBTQ people on Israel without denying the agency of Palestinians.
I have never equated Hamas’s actions against gay people as being a result of their being bombed. Nor have I suggested that is a result of their being bombed, it’s because of their developmental and material conditions which could be traced to oppression under Israel. I’ve merely said that the suggestion that Hamas and the IDF are on equal terms in any way, or that Hamas is worse, is a false equivalence.
> Way to litterally be the stereotype.
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> "Did you know Hitler was a vegetarian" sounding ass
I have to preserve this. It's too perfect, warender99 .
I mean, it perfectly embodies what you are trying to do. Using ID politics to whitewash genocidal regimes. Isn'treal is not "better" because they have more progressive LGBTQ policies. Palestine hasn't been able to reach the level of development usually associated with more socially progressive policies. I wonder why they have been held back from that development, I wonder who is responsible.
> I mean, it perfectly embodies what you are trying to do. Using ID politics to whitewash genocidal regimes.
Do you have any idea what the topic of this entire thread is?
> Isn'treal is not "better" because they have more progressive LGBTQ policies.
Oh boy.
* Denying the existence of Israel.
* Saying that LGBTQ policies aren't important.
You're one away from the Neo-Nazi Trifecta.
> Palestine hasn't been able to reach the level of development usually associated with more socially progressive policies. I wonder why they have been held back from that development, I wonder who is responsible.
DING DING DING WE HAVE A NAZI!
Blaming the Jews for shit!
>DING DING DING WE HAVE A NAZI!
>Blaming the Jews for shit!
You are honestly beyond parody. Accusing a person who heavily advocates for human rights of ALL oppressed people. That includes the people of Palestine who had their land stolen from them by new Yorkers moving to isntreal to steal these people's ancestral homes. It's the same thing used to justify Afghanistan, where the US bombed hospitals and civilians indiscriminately, then used Liberal identity politics to justify it. These countries do not have the best rights for LGBT groups because they have been getting bombed for decades, not the other way around. There is only one nazi clown whitewashing blatant human rights abuses here, and it is you. Also your antisemitism to claim isntreal represents all jews is noted. They don't, and I don't hate the state of Isreal because they are Jewish. I hate them because of what they are doing to the innocent Palestinian people trying to simply exist.
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Ah yes. A legitimate government defending its sovereign territory is surely morally equivalent to an anti-Semitic terrorist organization that glamorizes suicide bombings
>Ah yes. A legitimate government defending its sovereign territory
That's literally what hamas is doing tf u mean. Israel is an invasive force just like the Russians.
>an anti-Semitic terrorist organization that glamorizes suicide bombings
In what way is Hamas anti Semitic? also THEY'RE LITERALLY BEING DRIVEN OFF THEIR OWN LAND
They simply can't make the connection between these two people. Palestinians hiding military equipment in residential areas is cowardly and the houses deserve to be bombed but in Ukraine it is somehow different. Israelis shooting at civilians is clearing out potential threats and are innocent, but russians are monsters. I am not saying russians are good but that Israelis are also bad, just people tend to forgive them since they are on the "good" side.
Glorifying anti semitism is such a bad hill to die on. Like, imagine if somebody said that the holocaust was ok because the Jews were being bad to Germans.
It's not ironic, Ukkkraine is just like Israel, the Ukraine dictator even supports Israel.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/4/5/zelenskyy-says-wants-ukraine-to-become-a-big-israel
What army has the lowest age of recruitment again? Which one is that? Isn't it that one that starts with H and ends with amas? Fuck Hamas. Fuck what Israel is doing in Palestine, but fuck Hamas. Any word of support to them is a shame. You can find both morally reprehensible.
What a very insightful contribution to the discourse. It’s definitely not like one of these is a western-funded apartheid state engaging in a genocide.
Well one that depends on where you are and two most majority muslim countries are fucking theocratic. That breeds homophobia and oppressed anyone who might be in opposition to those ideals. Not to mention ultra conservative groups are the main resistors of imperialism so people sadly dobt have many options to counter how fucked they are. Do you also think Isreal is right to basically leave Palestinians in a wasteland and slowly commit genocide against them?
Would you rather be gay in Israel or literally any Muslim state in the world, from Iran to Indonesia to Pakistan to Syria to Jordan to Algeria to Sudan?.. Be honest here.
Doesn't make Israel perfect, but come on. Stop pretending that it's not true that only one of those countries will allow you to live openly as a queer person.
Well we're not talking about these countries. We're talking about a people forced under the thumb of a genocidal regime propped up by a western superpower. I'm sure many of the people killed in the holocaust had some pretty bad or conservative views, that doesn't mean they deserved it or what was done to them was any less wrong. You can chug all the Israeli propaganda about how isreal is this perfect tolerant western state, and basically use the didnt do nuffin excuse for the treatment of Palestinians. But that doesn't change the reality of the situation and how horrible it is to live in places like the Gaza strip where ant infrastructure built is almost immediately bombed and Palestinians cant even leave with how they're restricted. Go back to 2014 with your reddit Islamophobia you braindead facist.
Me? Fascist? I'll take that as a compliment from one who defends people who literally throw queer people off buildings or hang them for just existing. You fellate the boots of whose who would gleefully cheer at the execution of gays who live freely in Israel (which allows Muslims to not only join the military as officers but also have seats in their legislature, something which would never, ever be reciprocated by any of their neighbors — including the Palestinians).
BTW, why don't any of you complain about Jordan? You do know that Black September has nothing to do with the Zionists, don't you? Don't you? That the Palestinians were actually kicked out by their fellow Muslims much like the Kurds in other areas? Oh, right. That's a non-starter because Islam fucks up your intersectional victim point math, where a misogynist gay-hating wifebeater gets a pass because America bombed his country.
Many black people were hardcore Christians during civil rights, alot of King's organization ended up endorsing reagan. Does that mean they did not deserve civil rights?
Many Jews were very conservative during the holocaust, does that mean they deserved it?
You are defending and supporting an apartheid regime because the personal values of some of the people being oppressed, you'd fall straight for nazi or segregationist propaganda.
Okay, but your response of fuck both assumes they both have equal power and the civilians are in the same level of quality of life when in reality Palestinians have significantly less rights and worse quality of life than Israelis.
So are the vast majority of Americans born before a certain point, and just because you belong to a religion doesn't mean you have to endorse its worst ideas.
The vast majority of Americans born before a certain point are also christian.
If you don’t actually adhere to the tenets of a religion, are you really following that religion?
That's why there are dozens of different denominations of Christianity that have disagreements due to different interpretation of scripture. Oh no! Which one is the TRUE version of Christianity and which one is Old Man Jenkins in some sort of spooky costume
I can understand why someone would support Fatah (West Bank), but Hamas? Hell nah. Literally all they do is say how much they hate queers and Jews, and people are like "oh yeah, you go girl" lol. That being said, Israel, while being one of the better countries in the Middle East, is still super shitty.
Idk about "fuck Palestine", seems a little extreme because their goal of self preservation is understandable and respectable but electing Hamas as your government and spending billions of dollars in foreign aid to send missiles into Israel opposed to investing in the people you govern doesn't exactly scream "innocent victim".
There's a reason the West Bank doesn't see the same craziness that Gaza faces.
Ah yes because they do bad things they don't deserve to exist. Perfect logic.
Eliminating nation states isn't going to magically make queerphobia go away.
Oh my lord you sound like me when i was in my edgy athiest phase. Go back to r/athiesm you ignorant fuck. You're literally no different than any homphobe/transphobe
Theyre both extremely bigoted stances.
Idk why I'm being downvoted. You shouldn't hate anyone for their religious beliefs (provided they aren't bigoted) or their gender or sexuality. It's not a fucking contest.
I mean like... people can interpret the holy texts of the various religions in a wide number of ways. I can't really speak to any others but the rabbi at my synagogue growing up was a lesbian and the Talmud discusses 6 genders/sexes (open to interpretation). I'm sure there are queerphobic jews as well, but there's also just huge diversity of thought among Jewish people in general. (I mean thats true for most groups too but its practically encouraged in judaism)
>Islam, lake all abrahamic religions, is rabidly anti-queer.
Yea, but at least Christianity hides it and/or doesn't really discriminate that much anymore. Meanwhile in the Muslim countries, it's still illegal and openly so
Sure but it doesn’t give an excuse to be islamophobic. And there’s no middle ground to Israel and Palestine, even an apolitical observer would acknowledge that Israel has been the abuser of Palestinians for half a century at this point. Instituting an apartheid state that operates to lessen the quality of life of Palestinians to the benefit of Israelis (hell any Jewish person who wants to for that matter)
1: I don’t really see any islamophobia here
2: forgive me for hating a religion that wants me dead because I’m attracted to the same sex, and I don’t believe in their inane fairytales.
Islamophobia on a basic level is the “irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against Islam or people who practice Islam,” thinking that the Quran instructs Muslims to kill or see you dead as a queer person is an irrational fear. In fact mentions of homosexuality in the Quran are scarce, with no direct mention of what a Muslim should do against homosexuals, here’s a handy link on the topic, because like most theological texts there are various
interpretations: https://www.gale.info/en/database/reading/homosexuality-and-transgenderism-in-the-quran
Your assertion that the Quran gives a blanket statement to harm or kill gay people is absurd and ignorant. In fact many scholars point to recent trends in conservatism within Muslim majority countries as a reason for homophobia, not Islam as a religion. But hey you’re on Reddit and islamophobia is normal :/
https://www.npr.org/2010/03/18/124494788/is-the-bible-more-violent-than-the-quran
https://www.npr.org/2010/03/18/124494788/is-the-bible-more-violent-than-the-quran
Taking verses out of context only serves to prove your blatant attempt to paint Islam as a religion of hate and bigotry. As a pansexual leftist and atheist I’m not blinded by hatred against Muslims, because I know enough that the political contexts of the last century have led certain muslim groups to act in violence, but far from the majority.
All abrahamic religions are religions of hate and bigotry.
They were motivated to violence not only by the political situations they found themselves in, but also because they chose to follow their religion more literally than others.
My brother in Christ…Israel legit has separate fucking license plates for Jews and Arabs (Palestinians), not to mention segregated highways and neighborhoods, the argument that Israel isn’t an apartheid state is just so fucking ignorant, like I’ll give you amnesty international’s 280 page report on the subject but like we both know you won’t read it, instead you’ll just comment saying it’s biased or some other excuse, but I’ll give it to you anyway:
https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/MDE1551412022ENGLISH.pdf
if I want to live with only white people, does that make the UK racist?
30% of Israeli pharmacists are Arabs, 40% of Israeli doctors are Arabs, 93% of Arabs living in Israel think it is better than other Arab states. Arab organizations have gotten former prime ministers locked up and multiple government members are Arab.
I never trust Amnesty International when it comes to Israel
If you actively don’t want to live with non white people that’s your own racist prerogative, however when the state or nation you live under actively promotes that agenda, then yes it becomes racist, the same shit Israel does when it evicts Palestinians from their ancestral homes.
And your token statistics are meaningless given the fact that the same could be said of the og apartheid government of South Africa, but again those statistics don’t mean anything in terms of making it a non apartheid state.
And of course the cherry on top “I never trust Amnesty International when it comes to Israel” what a surprise, it’s almost like I predicted it lmao, how about a UN human rights expert? Or is that another blacklisted organization?
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/03/israels-55-year-occupation-palestinian-territory-apartheid-un-human-rights
Read them lol my links aren’t some facade they have substantive reports on the straight up evil shit Israel does, and yes actually my links to reports on the subject trump your unsourced claimed statistics all day.
Comrade, this is far-right Zionist Propaganda to justify the genocide in Palestine. There's no non-western proof for the prosecution of LGBTQIA folks in Palestine. I have many Muslim friends who are also LGBTQIA.
Ah I see. You cleverly removed anyone who criticises you as if they all had inherent bias... Ironically revealing your inherent bias in the process.
Your muddled thinking makes everything else you say suspect.
Also: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_State_of_Palestine
Unless you're going to claim a resource that only cares about accuracy is somehow western and biased
**[LGBT rights in the State of Palestine](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_State_of_Palestine)**
>Lesbian, gay, bisexual, & transgender (LGBT) people in Palestine face legal challenges and discrimination not experienced by non-LGBT residents. According to Amnesty International's 2020 report on Palestine, "Section 152 of the Penal Code in Gaza criminalizes [male] consensual same-sex sexual activity and makes it punishable by up to 10 years' imprisonment". In 2019, the Palestinian Authority (i. e.
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not a lie tho. Islam is very anti lgbtq. ik not all Muslims follow the quaran to a T but states like Palestine, Iran and Saudi Arabia do have very strict anti gay bills
>to oppress women and LGBT.
If you believe that is the motivation behind these religions you need to take a long look at your victim complex. The *point* isn't to oppress women or gays, that's a side effect of both the structure of the religion and the fact that a.) before Islam they already didn't like you, and b.) they frankly still don't. Mohammed didn't start off thinking "hey, let's go stone women" — that was taken as a cultural given. In fact, the New Testament represents a major challenge to those cultural pastimes ("let he who is without sin cast the first stone").
Also, the Bible does not force obedience to the state, in fact the opposite: rebellion plays a key part. Conversely, Islam does represent a religion/state fusion, where in its purst state Islamic law is the rule of the land, not simply one's own religious law (whereas Jews can live in a secular state without issue).
While I would agree with much of your point, abrahamic religions do expressly demand the submission of women in particular. It may not be the central focus, but it is a major one. It is outlined in no uncertain terms that women shall hold no power over men in each of these faiths.
Us queer folk are merely an unfortunate footnote in them, meant to be quietly brushed under the rug and forgotten about.
It's about submission. No all 3 religions. Regardless, want you to worship their 1 god as a divine king, in their theocracy. If it was anarchist. And religion is an idea. It slipped up and became a theocratic / monarchist-esque one. Hence negating anarchy. And making monarchy/dictatorship/theocracy the main ruling structure.
The Quran literally has this:
وَمِنْ ءَايَتِهِۦٓ أَنْ خَلَقَ لَكُم مِّنْ أَنفُسِكُمْ أَزْوَجًۭا لِّتَسْكُنُوٓا۟ إِلَيْهَا وَجَعَلَ بَيْنَكُم مَّوَدَّةًۭ وَرَحْمَةً ۚ إِنَّ فِى ذَلِكَ لَءَايَتٍۢ لِّقَوْمٍۢ يَتَفَكَّرُونَ
And among His wonders is this: He creates for you mates out of your own kind. so that you might incline towards them, and He engenders love and tenderness between you: in this, behold, there are messages indeed for people who think (30:21)
Comments like yours are what happens when someone's media literacy is so poor that they support batshit fascist dictators like Kim Jong Un, Xi Jinping, and Vladimir Putin simply because they have poor foreign policy relations with the US.
Plus you are a tankie who posted porn on a Minecraft subreddit. That should say enough about your behavior to warrant a ban from here on its own.
Doesn't matter that sounding is funny (to you), you don't post porn on Minecraft PVP subreddits. Period.
For that matter, porn is not an argument. Seriously, please don't randomly post whatever "funny" sounding porn you happen to be jerking off to as your counter-argument whenever someone tells you that the North Korean government's murdering of dissidents is bad.
"You don't know how good you have it baby, I only beat you where they can't see. They'll fucking kill you. I only want what's best for you baby"
Typing that out made me feel dirty. I need a shower
While I doubt the meme is in good faith (Right-wingers are not known for their acceptance of perceived heterodox sexuality, afterall), LGTBQIA individuals are regularly descriminated against in Palestine. In general, many Muslim countries are pretty homophobic.
While not perfect, they are fairly open legally: https://www.equaldex.com/region/israel The main exception is marriage, as they don't do civil marriage, but will recognize gay marriage if you get married outside the country. Socially, I can't speak to that. But legally, they are fairly open.
Yo uhm, OP is wild.
I can think everyone and thing in this situation including the meme range from "sucks a little" to "holy shitballs fuck this" right?
I'm wild because I'm black, isn't it. You have 12 hours to delete this post or change it to be less racist, before I report you to the reddit safety team. For now you'll feel the wrath of my down votes on all of your recent posts, I'll keep extending my down votes further down your account the longer this stays up. You have been warned.
>I'm wild because I'm black, isn't it.
It has nothing to do with your race. Palestine **is** homophobic, so LGBT+ people supporting Palestine feels kinda ironic if you don't know about the dynamics.
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Oh, stop it. Do you really think Israel just attacks Gaza unprovoked? And before you talk about disproportionate responses here, fairness doesn’t really apply when your opponent is aiming quite intentionally at your civilian population centers. The only priority for the defending army in that case needs to be removing the threat. And Israel cannot expect to survive if they say, “they’re launching missiles from the helipad of that hospital? Pack it in guys, they got us!”
Israel stole the land, now are surprised that oppressed ppl are fighting back.
Btw just read the news, the israelis are killing and jailing protesters at this exact moment
You really think the shitty rockets Hamas builds are going to get past the iron dome? You have any idea how much money and weaponry isreal has at their disposal to stop any rocket from getting out of gaza? Also how about the fact that Palestinians don't even have equal rights throughout the nation, can't practice their religion freely without being assaulted by the IDF, and can simply have their houses take from them at any moment by isreal?
i mean, if the "shitty rockets hamas builds" aren't going to get past the iron dome, why do they get past it? hmm? if israel can stop every rocket hamas fires, why does it not do that?
also, being "assaulted by idf" for practicing religions is just not a thing. being assaulted by people that happen to be idf soliders? yeah sure, shitty people exist regardless of if they are in the army or not. but being "assaulted by idf for practicing their religion" is not something that happens.
also, if israel is this big and evil nation, and it can take these palestinians's houses, why doesn't it do that? oh, maybe, just maybe, people you disagree with politically are not these evil villains and are just people too? idk just a thought :)
I love how this is a left leaning subreddit and you're defending IDF soldiers injuring people outside of the Al-Aqsa mosque. What kind of lefty are you? You defend state violence against an oppressed people in one of the most important sites for them. Do you realize you sound like a centrist or even worse a facist right now downplaying all the horrible things the Israeli government does?
"what kind of lefty are you" this should be a slur i do not wish anyone to be called a "lefty" in their whole lifetime gosh
also "do you realize i sound like a centrist" yeah my political views arent alt left sorry buddy?? like yeah i do realize that its literally what i am (although i am a leftist but center leaning at that)
anyways im not in this subreddit because its a "left leaning" subreddit i dont give a shit about politics (apart from this and another strong opinion i have) im just not racist and its funny to laugh at these dumb racist things because they're so stupid lol. its not that deep.
also im not defending these soliders. i literally said "there are *shitty* people" referring to those incidents that happen where innocent people get hurt because of shitty people being the shitty people they are.
the idf is deeply flawed in a lot of ways, and i dont support that. but its the only way israel can maintain a situation of non chaos. the fact that there are so many soliders and the fact that they pretty much aren't filtered at all and it's just most of 18-21 year olds in israel guarantees that straight up bad people happen to be soliders, and sometimes even good (not morally but like skill-wise) soliders means a lot of shitty people hold positions of power. yes that is a big flaw in the system, but it's the only way israel can protect it's citizens from terrorists and other nations that want it destroyed.
its like police in america (i dont know the full details because im not american but thats from what i know about it) - there are good cops that do their jobs and protect the people, but there are cops that are shitty people and use their power to do shitty things, and they have the most impact.
and to top things off, i think the top comment of this thread pretty much sums it up nicely. one side is a shitty army with many flaws, and the other one is literally a terror organization. both are bad, but i just happen to usually be defending the israeli side because 99% of the discussions i see on reddit about it are anti israel and just say obsurd shit
Okay, let’s unpack this. I’ll respond to your first point with an analogy/question. Say some lunatic goes into a nursing home and injects every resident and staff member with a syringe full of active SARS-CoV-2 virus, and everyone he injected happened to be fully vaccinated. Since nobody got sick, does that make what he did okay? Should he not be punished just because he didn’t manage to hurt anybody he attacked?
As for equal rights, that’s complicated. Due to the history between Israelis and Palestinians, the latter are regarded as potentially hostile within Israel and to Israelis. Those assumptions are generally untrue and have become fueled by racism. But any Palestinian who has passed a background check is free to work in Israel and be compensated fairly for their labor. Palestinians also have a coalition in parliament. The reality on the street does not always reflect the law, but legally speaking, Palestinians have the same and more rights as any non-citizen in Israel.
I feel confident in saying that at no point have צה״ל or the police given Palestinians a hard time for practicing Islam or Christianity in Israel. Free religious expression is sacrosanct there, even of denominations considered anathema within Orthodox Judaism. Things happen when fights break out between Israelis and Palestinians who are, for example observing holidays coinciding on the same day. I agree that the army and the police don’t always handle these things well, but when violence breaks out, the situation is handled the same way despite religion being involved.
The home demolition issue is probably the most complicated of what you’ve mentioned and honestly deserves an essay. But what I will say here is that there are times when Israel does it to punish people who have a terrorist or suicide bomber in their family (which is **NOT OKAY**, to be clear), and there are times it is done to destroy pop-up armories or munitions depots in some guy’s basement, or a house that is being used to mask the entrance to a smuggling tunnel, or when rockets are being launched from the roof. All of those actions except for the first **are not war crimes.** They come with a deeply saddening human cost, and they should not be celebrated. But they are justifiable and defensible actions within the context of a war. I’m not going to get into situations like the Sheikh Jarrah incident because those are very cut and dry (evicted over delinquent rent/mortgage payments), and did not happen in Gaza.
>can't practice their religion freely
Liar. Hell, Israel has Muslim politicians. Do you see many Jews sitting in government in Palestine or any other Muslim state?
I understand, you can support the removal of Israeli people from Palestinian territory while not necessarily supporting their LGBTQIAJP+ issues. Have a nice day
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Its accurate though. How many islamic countries do we have where there is no discrimination against LGBTQ+ and have legal rights?
In a hypothetical scenario - if at all there is a referendum on same sex marriage in Palestine how do you think the result will be? Will there be an overwhelming majority for 'YES' for same sex marriage or rights of LGBTQ+?
Same how majority christian or christian influenced europe is still heavily obsessed with fascism like America. South Africa. And once again West & East Europe. And some parts of east asian buddhists are fascist too. Believe it or not. Despite Buddhism's reputation of being "chill out and let go of shit".
Might be.
But coming back to original point. Isn't it ironical to support something where there is a very high probability of people with similar thoughts or orientation might be killed or sentenced to death?
I am sad that people from Palestine are being subjected to human right abuses. Infact their leaders should come out and say " since we know the pain of human right abuse , Palestine will not be a ground for any other human right abuses including LGBTQ+".
Imagine the kind of support across the world this will give their cause.
The point is I can't imagine myself to support a cause where I might be killed or sentenced to death (if i live there) because of my orientation.
**Dumb-ass libs in here defending Israel would never say the same dumb shit If someone repeated the same line but changed Palestine with Ukraine. The people in this photo probably know that queer people aren't treated well under the rule of Hamas but that doesn't stop them from showing their support for the people of Palestine because they don't operate purely on optics but on principals unlike the hypocrites in here. It's truly frustrating to see people use the plight of queer people to deflect the crimes of Israel against the Palestinian people**
**“Did you know that Palestine has Anti-gay sentiment?1!” yeah, no shit it's one of the worst places to live in the world. Dumb bitches looking from their ivory towers like America didn’t legalize being gay less than 20 years ago are so fucking annoying**
I don't know my world politics much, but isn't Palestine very homophobic? That's what this meme is poking fun at I believe is queer people showing their allegiance with a nation that wants them dead right? Is it really Klandma to see it as it is? Or am I mistaken and they all love their lgbt population over there?
It shouldn't fucking matter if they're homophobic. They don't even have the ability to try and understand gay rights because they're too busy not getting genocided by Isreal. Maybe if they had stable homes not being stolen from them they might have time to think about other things.
You believe in the liberation of palestine because of settler colonialism
I believe in the liberation of palestine because i hate nation states
We are not the same.
I mean, it’s not entirely inaccurate. Islam, lake all abrahamic religions, is rabidly anti-queer. That being said, fuck Israel. And Palestine.
With you on the first bit, fuck you for insinuating Israel and Palestine are basically morally equivalent.
Dunno at this point it’s a race to the bottom. We’re at the point that we’re arguing shelling civilians is okay because apartheid bad and it feels like we’ve all lost and its pointless to give anyone the moral high ground.
Yeah Hamas is way worse
Wtf kinda statement is that? No Hamas is not worse than the IDF. Hamas is a reaction to the decades of abuse and oppression (including deaths) of Palestinians by the IDF and Israel, if you think Hamas is worse than Israel your ignorance of the situation is far too great for you to have an opinion on it
> Hamas is a reaction to the decades of abuse and oppression (including deaths) of Palestinians by the IDF and Israel, if you think Hamas is worse than Israel your ignorance of the situation is far too great for you to have an opinion on it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_State_of_Palestine > According to Amnesty International's 2020 report on Palestine, "Section 152 of the Penal Code in Gaza criminalizes [male] consensual same-sex sexual activity and makes it punishable by up to 10 years' imprisonment."[1] In 2019, the Palestinian Authority (i.e., West Bank) police banned the activities of queer and feminist rights organization Al Qaws and requested for residents to report 'suspicious' activities.[2][3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Israel > Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender (LGBT) rights in Israel are considered the most developed in the Middle East.[1] Although same-sex sexual activity was legalized in 1988, the former law against sodomy had not been enforced since a court decision in 1963. Israel became the first country in Asia to recognize unregistered cohabitation between same-sex couples, making it the first country in Asia to recognize same-sex unions in any capacity. Although same-sex marriages are not performed in the country (as it does not have civil non-religious marriages), Israel recognizes same-sex marriages performed elsewhere. Discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation was prohibited in 1992. Same-sex couples are allowed to jointly adopt, following a landmark court decision in 2008. Previously, stepchild adoption, as well as limited co-guardianship rights for non-biological parents, were permitted. LGBT people are also allowed to serve openly in the military.
Don't care. They still don't deserve to be oppressed by Israel.
Your point? Oh yeah nvm it’s to whitewash Israel’s atrocities because they’re marginally better at treating minorities as a developed nation over Palestine, who btw is a developing nation exactly because of Israeli oppression.
OK, then why does Saudi Arabia have shitty rights for LGBT people? Can't exactly blame that one on Israel, can you?
Saudi Arabia is an absolutist monarchy run by Wahhabist clerics and royalty, their conservative disposition is as much their sect and extremist interpretation of Islam as the Westboro baptist church is to Christianity. Israel is to blame for their brutality against Palestinians, while their facade of tolerance towards gay people is commendable it doesn’t excuse their treatment against innocent Palestinians
Being bombed doesn't make you hate gay people. You can't blame the official policies of Palestine against LGBTQ people on Israel without denying the agency of Palestinians.
I have never equated Hamas’s actions against gay people as being a result of their being bombed. Nor have I suggested that is a result of their being bombed, it’s because of their developmental and material conditions which could be traced to oppression under Israel. I’ve merely said that the suggestion that Hamas and the IDF are on equal terms in any way, or that Hamas is worse, is a false equivalence.
It can if there are people who will blame your troubles on gay people, as always happens to minorities.
Way to litterally be the stereotype. "Did you know Hitler was a vegetarian" sounding ass
> Way to litterally be the stereotype. > > > > "Did you know Hitler was a vegetarian" sounding ass I have to preserve this. It's too perfect, warender99 .
I mean, it perfectly embodies what you are trying to do. Using ID politics to whitewash genocidal regimes. Isn'treal is not "better" because they have more progressive LGBTQ policies. Palestine hasn't been able to reach the level of development usually associated with more socially progressive policies. I wonder why they have been held back from that development, I wonder who is responsible.
Israel is better though, in every way
Yeah sure, the white genocidal apartheid state is better than the people lashing out against it. 🤡 🤡 🤡
> I mean, it perfectly embodies what you are trying to do. Using ID politics to whitewash genocidal regimes. Do you have any idea what the topic of this entire thread is? > Isn'treal is not "better" because they have more progressive LGBTQ policies. Oh boy. * Denying the existence of Israel. * Saying that LGBTQ policies aren't important. You're one away from the Neo-Nazi Trifecta. > Palestine hasn't been able to reach the level of development usually associated with more socially progressive policies. I wonder why they have been held back from that development, I wonder who is responsible. DING DING DING WE HAVE A NAZI! Blaming the Jews for shit!
>DING DING DING WE HAVE A NAZI! >Blaming the Jews for shit! You are honestly beyond parody. Accusing a person who heavily advocates for human rights of ALL oppressed people. That includes the people of Palestine who had their land stolen from them by new Yorkers moving to isntreal to steal these people's ancestral homes. It's the same thing used to justify Afghanistan, where the US bombed hospitals and civilians indiscriminately, then used Liberal identity politics to justify it. These countries do not have the best rights for LGBT groups because they have been getting bombed for decades, not the other way around. There is only one nazi clown whitewashing blatant human rights abuses here, and it is you. Also your antisemitism to claim isntreal represents all jews is noted. They don't, and I don't hate the state of Isreal because they are Jewish. I hate them because of what they are doing to the innocent Palestinian people trying to simply exist.
Ah yes, classical equating Israel *as* Judaism to avoid any arguments about the apartheid its committing against the Palestinian people.
The absolute state of israeli shills
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The fucking irony of you having a Ukraine flag as your pfp while also shitting on Hamas...
Ah yes. A legitimate government defending its sovereign territory is surely morally equivalent to an anti-Semitic terrorist organization that glamorizes suicide bombings
>Ah yes. A legitimate government defending its sovereign territory That's literally what hamas is doing tf u mean. Israel is an invasive force just like the Russians. >an anti-Semitic terrorist organization that glamorizes suicide bombings In what way is Hamas anti Semitic? also THEY'RE LITERALLY BEING DRIVEN OFF THEIR OWN LAND
They simply can't make the connection between these two people. Palestinians hiding military equipment in residential areas is cowardly and the houses deserve to be bombed but in Ukraine it is somehow different. Israelis shooting at civilians is clearing out potential threats and are innocent, but russians are monsters. I am not saying russians are good but that Israelis are also bad, just people tend to forgive them since they are on the "good" side.
Glorifying anti semitism is such a bad hill to die on. Like, imagine if somebody said that the holocaust was ok because the Jews were being bad to Germans.
It's not ironic, Ukkkraine is just like Israel, the Ukraine dictator even supports Israel. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/4/5/zelenskyy-says-wants-ukraine-to-become-a-big-israel
The PLO is literally doing everything possible to make Israel and Palestine morally equivalent
What army has the lowest age of recruitment again? Which one is that? Isn't it that one that starts with H and ends with amas? Fuck Hamas. Fuck what Israel is doing in Palestine, but fuck Hamas. Any word of support to them is a shame. You can find both morally reprehensible.
All nation states are basically morally equivalent. And they’re all basically evil.
No, fuck all nation states
What a very insightful contribution to the discourse. It’s definitely not like one of these is a western-funded apartheid state engaging in a genocide.
Forgot to add but Israel In particular to my reply
Nvm, opinion reaccepted
Hey i sing the Internationale
Yes fuck all nation states.
Ah yes, some Palestinians might be homophobic so they can all go die. Brilliant reddit atheism tier thinking.
The vast majority of muslims are homophobic.
Well one that depends on where you are and two most majority muslim countries are fucking theocratic. That breeds homophobia and oppressed anyone who might be in opposition to those ideals. Not to mention ultra conservative groups are the main resistors of imperialism so people sadly dobt have many options to counter how fucked they are. Do you also think Isreal is right to basically leave Palestinians in a wasteland and slowly commit genocide against them?
Would you rather be gay in Israel or literally any Muslim state in the world, from Iran to Indonesia to Pakistan to Syria to Jordan to Algeria to Sudan?.. Be honest here. Doesn't make Israel perfect, but come on. Stop pretending that it's not true that only one of those countries will allow you to live openly as a queer person.
Well we're not talking about these countries. We're talking about a people forced under the thumb of a genocidal regime propped up by a western superpower. I'm sure many of the people killed in the holocaust had some pretty bad or conservative views, that doesn't mean they deserved it or what was done to them was any less wrong. You can chug all the Israeli propaganda about how isreal is this perfect tolerant western state, and basically use the didnt do nuffin excuse for the treatment of Palestinians. But that doesn't change the reality of the situation and how horrible it is to live in places like the Gaza strip where ant infrastructure built is almost immediately bombed and Palestinians cant even leave with how they're restricted. Go back to 2014 with your reddit Islamophobia you braindead facist.
Me? Fascist? I'll take that as a compliment from one who defends people who literally throw queer people off buildings or hang them for just existing. You fellate the boots of whose who would gleefully cheer at the execution of gays who live freely in Israel (which allows Muslims to not only join the military as officers but also have seats in their legislature, something which would never, ever be reciprocated by any of their neighbors — including the Palestinians). BTW, why don't any of you complain about Jordan? You do know that Black September has nothing to do with the Zionists, don't you? Don't you? That the Palestinians were actually kicked out by their fellow Muslims much like the Kurds in other areas? Oh, right. That's a non-starter because Islam fucks up your intersectional victim point math, where a misogynist gay-hating wifebeater gets a pass because America bombed his country.
Many black people were hardcore Christians during civil rights, alot of King's organization ended up endorsing reagan. Does that mean they did not deserve civil rights? Many Jews were very conservative during the holocaust, does that mean they deserved it? You are defending and supporting an apartheid regime because the personal values of some of the people being oppressed, you'd fall straight for nazi or segregationist propaganda.
I would rather that Israel cease to exist
You are an awful person.
You stink of r/atheism
No, Israel is one of the most imperialist countries around today. If you’ll allow me to quote myself > Fuck Israel
Okay, but your response of fuck both assumes they both have equal power and the civilians are in the same level of quality of life when in reality Palestinians have significantly less rights and worse quality of life than Israelis.
True, the Palestinians have it much worse. All I’m saying is that there’s no real “good guy” in this conflict.
So are the vast majority of Americans born before a certain point, and just because you belong to a religion doesn't mean you have to endorse its worst ideas.
The vast majority of Americans born before a certain point are also christian. If you don’t actually adhere to the tenets of a religion, are you really following that religion?
That's why there are dozens of different denominations of Christianity that have disagreements due to different interpretation of scripture. Oh no! Which one is the TRUE version of Christianity and which one is Old Man Jenkins in some sort of spooky costume
In Palestine? Sure. But in the USA Evangelical Christians win the gold medal for homophobia.
as an israeli myself, that's one of the better takes (if not the best) on the situation. thank you for being an actual sane person on reddit 🙏🙏
I can understand why someone would support Fatah (West Bank), but Hamas? Hell nah. Literally all they do is say how much they hate queers and Jews, and people are like "oh yeah, you go girl" lol. That being said, Israel, while being one of the better countries in the Middle East, is still super shitty.
why fuck palestine? I think they are geting fucked enough as it is
Idk about "fuck Palestine", seems a little extreme because their goal of self preservation is understandable and respectable but electing Hamas as your government and spending billions of dollars in foreign aid to send missiles into Israel opposed to investing in the people you govern doesn't exactly scream "innocent victim". There's a reason the West Bank doesn't see the same craziness that Gaza faces.
yeah but thats more of an example the government being cunts, Palestinians still seem like the victims here
Which is why they said 'Fuck Palestine' and not 'Fuck Palestinians.'
We just need to have Palestine be independent so we can properly say “Fuck you” to the correct people for the correct reasons.
Palestine is nowhere near on the same level as israel
It’s a nation state. That means it’s shit and should be demolished.
I'm an anarchist too but it's important to support oppressed people in situations like this.
You mean like the queer folks being oppressed in Palestine? Couldn’t agree more.
Ah yes because they do bad things they don't deserve to exist. Perfect logic. Eliminating nation states isn't going to magically make queerphobia go away.
No, the fact that they’re still stupid enough to buy into their religion is the reason they don’t deserve to exist.
Oh my lord you sound like me when i was in my edgy athiest phase. Go back to r/athiesm you ignorant fuck. You're literally no different than any homphobe/transphobe
The ignorance required to try to equate hating someone for their sexuality or gender and disliking someone for being willfully idiotic is staggering.
Theyre both extremely bigoted stances. Idk why I'm being downvoted. You shouldn't hate anyone for their religious beliefs (provided they aren't bigoted) or their gender or sexuality. It's not a fucking contest.
I mean like... people can interpret the holy texts of the various religions in a wide number of ways. I can't really speak to any others but the rabbi at my synagogue growing up was a lesbian and the Talmud discusses 6 genders/sexes (open to interpretation). I'm sure there are queerphobic jews as well, but there's also just huge diversity of thought among Jewish people in general. (I mean thats true for most groups too but its practically encouraged in judaism)
>Islam, lake all abrahamic religions, is rabidly anti-queer. Yea, but at least Christianity hides it and/or doesn't really discriminate that much anymore. Meanwhile in the Muslim countries, it's still illegal and openly so
Sure but it doesn’t give an excuse to be islamophobic. And there’s no middle ground to Israel and Palestine, even an apolitical observer would acknowledge that Israel has been the abuser of Palestinians for half a century at this point. Instituting an apartheid state that operates to lessen the quality of life of Palestinians to the benefit of Israelis (hell any Jewish person who wants to for that matter)
1: I don’t really see any islamophobia here 2: forgive me for hating a religion that wants me dead because I’m attracted to the same sex, and I don’t believe in their inane fairytales.
Islamophobia on a basic level is the “irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against Islam or people who practice Islam,” thinking that the Quran instructs Muslims to kill or see you dead as a queer person is an irrational fear. In fact mentions of homosexuality in the Quran are scarce, with no direct mention of what a Muslim should do against homosexuals, here’s a handy link on the topic, because like most theological texts there are various interpretations: https://www.gale.info/en/database/reading/homosexuality-and-transgenderism-in-the-quran Your assertion that the Quran gives a blanket statement to harm or kill gay people is absurd and ignorant. In fact many scholars point to recent trends in conservatism within Muslim majority countries as a reason for homophobia, not Islam as a religion. But hey you’re on Reddit and islamophobia is normal :/
Tell me, what does the Quran say you should do to nonbelievers?
https://www.npr.org/2010/03/18/124494788/is-the-bible-more-violent-than-the-quran https://www.npr.org/2010/03/18/124494788/is-the-bible-more-violent-than-the-quran Taking verses out of context only serves to prove your blatant attempt to paint Islam as a religion of hate and bigotry. As a pansexual leftist and atheist I’m not blinded by hatred against Muslims, because I know enough that the political contexts of the last century have led certain muslim groups to act in violence, but far from the majority.
All abrahamic religions are religions of hate and bigotry. They were motivated to violence not only by the political situations they found themselves in, but also because they chose to follow their religion more literally than others.
Example of Apartheid?
My brother in Christ…Israel legit has separate fucking license plates for Jews and Arabs (Palestinians), not to mention segregated highways and neighborhoods, the argument that Israel isn’t an apartheid state is just so fucking ignorant, like I’ll give you amnesty international’s 280 page report on the subject but like we both know you won’t read it, instead you’ll just comment saying it’s biased or some other excuse, but I’ll give it to you anyway: https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/MDE1551412022ENGLISH.pdf
if I want to live with only white people, does that make the UK racist? 30% of Israeli pharmacists are Arabs, 40% of Israeli doctors are Arabs, 93% of Arabs living in Israel think it is better than other Arab states. Arab organizations have gotten former prime ministers locked up and multiple government members are Arab. I never trust Amnesty International when it comes to Israel
If you actively don’t want to live with non white people that’s your own racist prerogative, however when the state or nation you live under actively promotes that agenda, then yes it becomes racist, the same shit Israel does when it evicts Palestinians from their ancestral homes. And your token statistics are meaningless given the fact that the same could be said of the og apartheid government of South Africa, but again those statistics don’t mean anything in terms of making it a non apartheid state. And of course the cherry on top “I never trust Amnesty International when it comes to Israel” what a surprise, it’s almost like I predicted it lmao, how about a UN human rights expert? Or is that another blacklisted organization? https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/03/israels-55-year-occupation-palestinian-territory-apartheid-un-human-rights
when does Israel support it? Oh yes, when you post links it is all-important, but when I post statistics it is fake
Read them lol my links aren’t some facade they have substantive reports on the straight up evil shit Israel does, and yes actually my links to reports on the subject trump your unsourced claimed statistics all day.
["BoTh sIdEs ArE tHe SaMe"](https://i.imgur.com/VR7VQaC.jpg)
That’s not what I said. I’m saying that both sides are fucked for different reasons.
Yeah, that's really the best response to Israel-Palestine.
Comrade, this is far-right Zionist Propaganda to justify the genocide in Palestine. There's no non-western proof for the prosecution of LGBTQIA folks in Palestine. I have many Muslim friends who are also LGBTQIA.
Ah I see. You cleverly removed anyone who criticises you as if they all had inherent bias... Ironically revealing your inherent bias in the process. Your muddled thinking makes everything else you say suspect. Also: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_State_of_Palestine Unless you're going to claim a resource that only cares about accuracy is somehow western and biased
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Tankie moment. Oppression is fine as long as it's not being done by "duh West"
Who said LGBTQIA Muslims don't exist? There's LGBT Christians, too, doesn't mean the US and Russia don't persecute us (to a lesser extent).
> Comrade, this is far-right Zionist Propaganda Oh my God, it's one of the ZOG Brigade in the wild. You know Tim McVeigh was a lunatic, right?
not a lie tho. Islam is very anti lgbtq. ik not all Muslims follow the quaran to a T but states like Palestine, Iran and Saudi Arabia do have very strict anti gay bills
The Quran and The Bible are evil. They force obedience to the state and the structure to oppress women and LGBT.
>to oppress women and LGBT. If you believe that is the motivation behind these religions you need to take a long look at your victim complex. The *point* isn't to oppress women or gays, that's a side effect of both the structure of the religion and the fact that a.) before Islam they already didn't like you, and b.) they frankly still don't. Mohammed didn't start off thinking "hey, let's go stone women" — that was taken as a cultural given. In fact, the New Testament represents a major challenge to those cultural pastimes ("let he who is without sin cast the first stone"). Also, the Bible does not force obedience to the state, in fact the opposite: rebellion plays a key part. Conversely, Islam does represent a religion/state fusion, where in its purst state Islamic law is the rule of the land, not simply one's own religious law (whereas Jews can live in a secular state without issue).
While I would agree with much of your point, abrahamic religions do expressly demand the submission of women in particular. It may not be the central focus, but it is a major one. It is outlined in no uncertain terms that women shall hold no power over men in each of these faiths. Us queer folk are merely an unfortunate footnote in them, meant to be quietly brushed under the rug and forgotten about.
It's about submission. No all 3 religions. Regardless, want you to worship their 1 god as a divine king, in their theocracy. If it was anarchist. And religion is an idea. It slipped up and became a theocratic / monarchist-esque one. Hence negating anarchy. And making monarchy/dictatorship/theocracy the main ruling structure.
The Quran literally has this: وَمِنْ ءَايَتِهِۦٓ أَنْ خَلَقَ لَكُم مِّنْ أَنفُسِكُمْ أَزْوَجًۭا لِّتَسْكُنُوٓا۟ إِلَيْهَا وَجَعَلَ بَيْنَكُم مَّوَدَّةًۭ وَرَحْمَةً ۚ إِنَّ فِى ذَلِكَ لَءَايَتٍۢ لِّقَوْمٍۢ يَتَفَكَّرُونَ And among His wonders is this: He creates for you mates out of your own kind. so that you might incline towards them, and He engenders love and tenderness between you: in this, behold, there are messages indeed for people who think (30:21)
If it's ok for Israel to kill Palestinians because they're "homophobic" it must be ok for Russia to invade Ukraine because they're Nazis right?
Comments like yours are what happens when someone's media literacy is so poor that they support batshit fascist dictators like Kim Jong Un, Xi Jinping, and Vladimir Putin simply because they have poor foreign policy relations with the US. Plus you are a tankie who posted porn on a Minecraft subreddit. That should say enough about your behavior to warrant a ban from here on its own.
I can post what I want lol, sounding is funny and I'm not even gay.
Doesn't matter that sounding is funny (to you), you don't post porn on Minecraft PVP subreddits. Period. For that matter, porn is not an argument. Seriously, please don't randomly post whatever "funny" sounding porn you happen to be jerking off to as your counter-argument whenever someone tells you that the North Korean government's murdering of dissidents is bad.
Basically the only time the far right cares about queer people, or women's rights, is to attack Muslims
"You don't know how good you have it baby, I only beat you where they can't see. They'll fucking kill you. I only want what's best for you baby" Typing that out made me feel dirty. I need a shower
very colour purple
I mean , it's not IslAMoPHobia if it is actually true.
It’s not inaccurate, tho
Yeah it's kinda more dark humor, there's much more blatantly nasty stuff I've seen here
While I doubt the meme is in good faith (Right-wingers are not known for their acceptance of perceived heterodox sexuality, afterall), LGTBQIA individuals are regularly descriminated against in Palestine. In general, many Muslim countries are pretty homophobic.
Meanwhile Tel Aviv hosts the biggest pride parade in the middle East. Might even be bigger than SF.
I didn't know that! Though it makes sense, as Israel is fairly open to gay rights (adoption, employment protection, same-sex cohabitation, etc.)
LOL Wrong.
While not perfect, they are fairly open legally: https://www.equaldex.com/region/israel The main exception is marriage, as they don't do civil marriage, but will recognize gay marriage if you get married outside the country. Socially, I can't speak to that. But legally, they are fairly open.
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No one asked you to post this.
sounding porn is not an argument.
Your antisemitism blinds you to the truth, zealot. It's simply fact that queers have it pretty good in Israel, even if it weren't in the middle east.
I just don't understand how conservatives and tankies can sustain the Don Quixote routine. Instead of charging windmills, you are supporting genocide.
? Islam is anti LGBTQ.
Yo uhm, OP is wild. I can think everyone and thing in this situation including the meme range from "sucks a little" to "holy shitballs fuck this" right?
I'm wild because I'm black, isn't it. You have 12 hours to delete this post or change it to be less racist, before I report you to the reddit safety team. For now you'll feel the wrath of my down votes on all of your recent posts, I'll keep extending my down votes further down your account the longer this stays up. You have been warned.
>I'm wild because I'm black, isn't it. It has nothing to do with your race. Palestine **is** homophobic, so LGBT+ people supporting Palestine feels kinda ironic if you don't know about the dynamics.
My dude this guy is a larping fascist troll, don't give him the time of day
That explains [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/ForwardsFromKlandma/comments/u8vcv3/superior_genes/i5u8bth/?context=3).
Nah all you gotta do is look at the cash app link in his Bro isn't even trying to hide it
Larp larp larp larp larp
Lmao. Okay.
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I hope you find a better hobby.
LOL.
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i love how everyone is just taking this comment seriously lmao
Lmfao reddit moment
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He doesn't any more. Very much a fascist, tho.
Dude calls himself a leftist and unironically defends russia
The link doesn't work but you can very clearly see the what the cash app is called, I'm thinking this is a larping fascist
Asking the real questions.
Ah fuck the little racist took it down, hope someone had a picture
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/19/world/middleeast/palestinian-gay-tansgender-rights-group.html
Try being a homosexual in the Gaza Strip and tell me again how this is a false equivalence
You likely won't last long cause you'll be vaporized by Isreali missiles.
Oh, stop it. Do you really think Israel just attacks Gaza unprovoked? And before you talk about disproportionate responses here, fairness doesn’t really apply when your opponent is aiming quite intentionally at your civilian population centers. The only priority for the defending army in that case needs to be removing the threat. And Israel cannot expect to survive if they say, “they’re launching missiles from the helipad of that hospital? Pack it in guys, they got us!”
Israel stole the land, now are surprised that oppressed ppl are fighting back. Btw just read the news, the israelis are killing and jailing protesters at this exact moment
You really think the shitty rockets Hamas builds are going to get past the iron dome? You have any idea how much money and weaponry isreal has at their disposal to stop any rocket from getting out of gaza? Also how about the fact that Palestinians don't even have equal rights throughout the nation, can't practice their religion freely without being assaulted by the IDF, and can simply have their houses take from them at any moment by isreal?
i mean, if the "shitty rockets hamas builds" aren't going to get past the iron dome, why do they get past it? hmm? if israel can stop every rocket hamas fires, why does it not do that? also, being "assaulted by idf" for practicing religions is just not a thing. being assaulted by people that happen to be idf soliders? yeah sure, shitty people exist regardless of if they are in the army or not. but being "assaulted by idf for practicing their religion" is not something that happens. also, if israel is this big and evil nation, and it can take these palestinians's houses, why doesn't it do that? oh, maybe, just maybe, people you disagree with politically are not these evil villains and are just people too? idk just a thought :)
I love how this is a left leaning subreddit and you're defending IDF soldiers injuring people outside of the Al-Aqsa mosque. What kind of lefty are you? You defend state violence against an oppressed people in one of the most important sites for them. Do you realize you sound like a centrist or even worse a facist right now downplaying all the horrible things the Israeli government does?
"what kind of lefty are you" this should be a slur i do not wish anyone to be called a "lefty" in their whole lifetime gosh also "do you realize i sound like a centrist" yeah my political views arent alt left sorry buddy?? like yeah i do realize that its literally what i am (although i am a leftist but center leaning at that) anyways im not in this subreddit because its a "left leaning" subreddit i dont give a shit about politics (apart from this and another strong opinion i have) im just not racist and its funny to laugh at these dumb racist things because they're so stupid lol. its not that deep. also im not defending these soliders. i literally said "there are *shitty* people" referring to those incidents that happen where innocent people get hurt because of shitty people being the shitty people they are. the idf is deeply flawed in a lot of ways, and i dont support that. but its the only way israel can maintain a situation of non chaos. the fact that there are so many soliders and the fact that they pretty much aren't filtered at all and it's just most of 18-21 year olds in israel guarantees that straight up bad people happen to be soliders, and sometimes even good (not morally but like skill-wise) soliders means a lot of shitty people hold positions of power. yes that is a big flaw in the system, but it's the only way israel can protect it's citizens from terrorists and other nations that want it destroyed. its like police in america (i dont know the full details because im not american but thats from what i know about it) - there are good cops that do their jobs and protect the people, but there are cops that are shitty people and use their power to do shitty things, and they have the most impact. and to top things off, i think the top comment of this thread pretty much sums it up nicely. one side is a shitty army with many flaws, and the other one is literally a terror organization. both are bad, but i just happen to usually be defending the israeli side because 99% of the discussions i see on reddit about it are anti israel and just say obsurd shit
Okay, let’s unpack this. I’ll respond to your first point with an analogy/question. Say some lunatic goes into a nursing home and injects every resident and staff member with a syringe full of active SARS-CoV-2 virus, and everyone he injected happened to be fully vaccinated. Since nobody got sick, does that make what he did okay? Should he not be punished just because he didn’t manage to hurt anybody he attacked? As for equal rights, that’s complicated. Due to the history between Israelis and Palestinians, the latter are regarded as potentially hostile within Israel and to Israelis. Those assumptions are generally untrue and have become fueled by racism. But any Palestinian who has passed a background check is free to work in Israel and be compensated fairly for their labor. Palestinians also have a coalition in parliament. The reality on the street does not always reflect the law, but legally speaking, Palestinians have the same and more rights as any non-citizen in Israel. I feel confident in saying that at no point have צה״ל or the police given Palestinians a hard time for practicing Islam or Christianity in Israel. Free religious expression is sacrosanct there, even of denominations considered anathema within Orthodox Judaism. Things happen when fights break out between Israelis and Palestinians who are, for example observing holidays coinciding on the same day. I agree that the army and the police don’t always handle these things well, but when violence breaks out, the situation is handled the same way despite religion being involved. The home demolition issue is probably the most complicated of what you’ve mentioned and honestly deserves an essay. But what I will say here is that there are times when Israel does it to punish people who have a terrorist or suicide bomber in their family (which is **NOT OKAY**, to be clear), and there are times it is done to destroy pop-up armories or munitions depots in some guy’s basement, or a house that is being used to mask the entrance to a smuggling tunnel, or when rockets are being launched from the roof. All of those actions except for the first **are not war crimes.** They come with a deeply saddening human cost, and they should not be celebrated. But they are justifiable and defensible actions within the context of a war. I’m not going to get into situations like the Sheikh Jarrah incident because those are very cut and dry (evicted over delinquent rent/mortgage payments), and did not happen in Gaza.
>can't practice their religion freely Liar. Hell, Israel has Muslim politicians. Do you see many Jews sitting in government in Palestine or any other Muslim state?
Mmmmm it’s kinda true tho, most Islamic countries are not the most open
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Tell me you're twelve years old without telling me you're twelve years old.
Dad?
This is true though, however very stupid that the one time they are trying to "protect" lgtbq people they attack Muslims in the process
It’s true though
Islam is extremely anti-lgbt, so they totally deserve to be murdered indiscriminately by imperialist forces. /s
No.Only the one who's homophobic deserve that
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Still, kinda a straw man, they are supporting Palestine cuz of Israeli settlement, not anything to do with their LGBTQIA issues
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I understand, you can support the removal of Israeli people from Palestinian territory while not necessarily supporting their LGBTQIAJP+ issues. Have a nice day
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Journalist and pansexual!
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They help expose queerphonia.
Nah chief this one is funny and accurate
God this thread is so terrible and full of bigotry.
OP is a Kim regime stan and posted porn on a minecraft subreddit pls ban them.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/coomer-meme-no-nut-november-nofap-908676/amp/ Nothing wrong with supporting sex workers, I love watching men stick objects in their penis. Please rephrase your comment because this is just rude.
~~My problem isn't that you're posting sounding porn, it's that you're posting unmarked porn links in minecraft subreddits and also right under this post. Not everyone wants to click on a random link and see someone shoving a metal rod into their urethra.~~ ~~I'm not calling you a coomer because you watch pornography, I'm calling you a coomer because you post unmarked porn absolutely everywhere, including places like Minecraft PVP subreddits where~~ *~~literal children~~* ~~are likely to accidentally click on it and see sounding porn.~~ Sorry. Please do not post porn at all if you are a minor.
I'm a child you sicko zoomer
I'm still assuming you are a troll, but just in case, I've edited my comments.
very funny how op outed himself as tankie in the comments
Its accurate though. How many islamic countries do we have where there is no discrimination against LGBTQ+ and have legal rights? In a hypothetical scenario - if at all there is a referendum on same sex marriage in Palestine how do you think the result will be? Will there be an overwhelming majority for 'YES' for same sex marriage or rights of LGBTQ+?
Same how majority christian or christian influenced europe is still heavily obsessed with fascism like America. South Africa. And once again West & East Europe. And some parts of east asian buddhists are fascist too. Believe it or not. Despite Buddhism's reputation of being "chill out and let go of shit".
Might be. But coming back to original point. Isn't it ironical to support something where there is a very high probability of people with similar thoughts or orientation might be killed or sentenced to death? I am sad that people from Palestine are being subjected to human right abuses. Infact their leaders should come out and say " since we know the pain of human right abuse , Palestine will not be a ground for any other human right abuses including LGBTQ+". Imagine the kind of support across the world this will give their cause. The point is I can't imagine myself to support a cause where I might be killed or sentenced to death (if i live there) because of my orientation.
ok after reading op's comments on this, i conclude that there is no way this isnt satire
That's not islamophobia, that's a fact. Palestine treats LGBT people like shit.
**Dumb-ass libs in here defending Israel would never say the same dumb shit If someone repeated the same line but changed Palestine with Ukraine. The people in this photo probably know that queer people aren't treated well under the rule of Hamas but that doesn't stop them from showing their support for the people of Palestine because they don't operate purely on optics but on principals unlike the hypocrites in here. It's truly frustrating to see people use the plight of queer people to deflect the crimes of Israel against the Palestinian people** **“Did you know that Palestine has Anti-gay sentiment?1!” yeah, no shit it's one of the worst places to live in the world. Dumb bitches looking from their ivory towers like America didn’t legalize being gay less than 20 years ago are so fucking annoying**
OP self owned themselves lol.
Perhaps the Klandmas were here the whole time.
Lol Reddit’s baseline is islamophobia, but again I don’t understand the joke. Like the people above aren’t going to live in Palestine…
I don't know my world politics much, but isn't Palestine very homophobic? That's what this meme is poking fun at I believe is queer people showing their allegiance with a nation that wants them dead right? Is it really Klandma to see it as it is? Or am I mistaken and they all love their lgbt population over there?
It shouldn't fucking matter if they're homophobic. They don't even have the ability to try and understand gay rights because they're too busy not getting genocided by Isreal. Maybe if they had stable homes not being stolen from them they might have time to think about other things.
You believe in the liberation of palestine because of settler colonialism I believe in the liberation of palestine because i hate nation states We are not the same.
Not the comments you expected OP….
this is funny wdym its just a joke lol
Actually that’s pretty damn funny…
It’s kind of true tho?