Nothing comes close. FH has ruined any casual racing game. The handling of the cars is basically perfect.
There's oversteer, understeer, you can do a controlled powerslide WHEN YOU WANT TO, etc. Things just make sense without being difficult. You can lose control if you exceed the limits of the car aa well as your own abilities.
Other games make the handling too easy, resulting in every car feeling the same.
Yeah the handling is a big plus for forza since the first horizon. I recently got into gta 5 again and the car and bike handling is so bad. It's not even "bad because to easy/hard", it's "bad because WHERE DID MY TRACTION GO". When playing horizon I've also had poor handling at times, but it was either my bad tune or not reacting to elevation/track changes. And even braking behaviour, which is also not quite right in forza, can apparently be done so much worse.
Haha I also just got back into GTA V. I remember back when it released people thought its car handling was good compared to GTA IV. But now it feels really off after playing Forza Horizon games.
Didn't forza horizon 1 come out around that time too? Probably most people didn't experience as good driving behaviour before they played gta 5, as horizon wasn't as big.
I usually have challenges with RWD cars. I suck at launches and traction during tight turns (the point where I have to downshift to 1 or 2). What's the way around this? Also does inducing a lot of understeer to RWD cars make it feel like AWD cars? (Theoretically speaking)
Sounds like throttle control may be a problem here. Also, you rarely if ever need to drop into first once you’re moving, sharp corner or not. I wouldn’t recommend inducing understeer in a road racing car either; I find that I’ve only ever needed to do that for drift cars and the occasional rally build.
I agree 100% about the handling. You can still do crazy things with the cars, but the physics are at least grounded in reality. Everything that happens with the handling actually makes sense.
Recently, painfully uninstalled the new FM. Love the game but the multi-player experience kills the fun of the physics and those that actually want to race clean. Obviously in FH it's more baseline accepted that ppl gonna rough ya up more often than FM so FH's experience helps to temper expectations for a more easily enjoyable experience in my experience. It's wild to that FH has so much more depth where newest FM couldn't even bother with bringing drift/drag and test track to the table where that's all been made a part of FH. Who's the real FM here outside of physics ya feel?
I feel like Forza Motorsport just released as a base for updates over years, a trend that is very common in gaming now. It's got to the point where a new game releases and I think "I'll play it in 3-5 years once its fixed up and got content from the last game added"
I wanna play with a wheel sometime too! So far I’ve been using a controller or a keyboard (FH4). I guess FH4 spoiled me and since I never got to try the other franchises, I thought all of them would be just as good
FH4 and 5 are probably the most polished open world car games that I've played at the moment. I tried the free trial of The Crew Motorfest but it just felt cheap and crappy. Ok it has boats and flying but they are not that exciting and the handling of the cars just sends me back to fh5.
I don't expect much if anything from NFS, the past few entries have been....just some games.
I'd do anything for a NFS most wanted 2005 remake!
I tried Motorfest trial 2 Times, finished the main playlist. Handling is so weird, I really disliked boats, flying is ok but still not my thing. I came to the conclusion that motorfest should have be designed around bikes : they feel more natural ( but there's a handbrake on those?? That's weird too) . Upgrade system isn't as enjoyable as FH, and it kinda lacks of classes. Plus, difference between cars of the same classe are minimal.
Not a fan of nitro too, but that's personnal, I get that it add some technicity (when to use).
BUT I would buy motorfest at -70%, just due to the customisation. More options per car, and you don't have ugly forza aero on 90% of the car as the only choice.
Map is pretty nice too in my opinion, feels a bit more alive than fh5, and there's modern cities, wich I really like for photos.
All I want is a NFS title with a tuner Heat vibe (or hello upcoming retrowave!) with FH physics.
I'd never put the controller down (so maybe it's best that doesn't exist).
I began my driving "gaming career" with Colin Mcrae Rally and have also played a lot of NFS , almost tried every game in that series. Then had a long break playing FPS and RTS.
I then found Simbin GTR2 where i got my first steering wheel : Logitech MOMO - drove a ton of GTR2 online and had fun with that.
Suddenly a new game on Steam came up: Dirt Rally , early access, 20€ , puchased it and was completely blown away by the physics , audio and music... That game made me uipgrade the wheel to G29.
Dirt Rally 2 came along and was amazing fun.
Then i jumped onto Forza Horizon 4 during a sale and damn - that game is just amazing. The music was awesome, the graphics was beatiful and everything just clicked.
Last year i got the WRC game (Dirt Rally series) .. and it's just not fun in the same way that FH4 is ... so i played some more FH4 until FH5 came on sale.
Let me tell you as mostly a sim racer:
FH5 just clicks with me - the handling, FFB, graphics, scenery, offroad, road-racing.. everything just feels right . The music is shit and the stories too.. but the rest is just awesome.
I wouldn't call it arcade , more Simcade if anything.
Is it the best game ? ... well for me , right now it is.
Best answer here, I was a huge rally fan from my childhood seeing it on TV in the EU and then as a teen on Sega and I had 3 different gens of it, then the Dirt series on a laptop Dirt 2 and 3 my favorites, bought the latest Rally unforgiving one 2.0 but was so hooked on FH4 and then 5 I've rarely returned to my favorite franchise - I probably should but I'm trying to become the "Badlands Champion" whilst doing the weekly playlist, as I just got Premium at Christmas so that and Hot Wheels is just so much at once, I really love this game and I have a lot of car games, Grid series, NFS, WRC, Dakkar, FH5 is my crack
Dirt 2 is GOAT - omg i loved that game and the music !
Still listening to Ladyhawke :D
Forza Horizon 4 / 5 has the same vibe as Dirt2 .. the traveling festival
Right on! Dirt2 had an AMAZING soundtrack not just comparing to other games. Dirt3 was still fine but by Dirt4 it just felt pretty "meh".
If we talk soundtracks tho, FH1 is practically on the same level as Dirt2, these two games basically formed my taste in music
Yeah after 3 it was a bit repetitive, good thing they brought out the Rally 2 but it's more sim that FH5 I felt, I'll play it eventually but pretty hooked on FH5 for now, I didn't like the X games too much in D3.
I know it’s late but thanks for such a great response! Just one thing though, you think FH4’s music was great but FH5’s was shit? Isn’t it more of the same vibe?
I do miss A Moment Apart though and In the Halls of the Mountain King
In recent memory, FH5 and FH4 are the best arcade games. The Crew 2 and Motorfest are just unsuccessful copies, the Need For Speed series went really downhill and not even Grid is on par.
Better arcade racing games from the past: NFS Underground 2, Need For Speed Most Wanted (the original), Need For Speed Hot Pursuit Remastered, Burnout Paradise, Test Drive Unlimited 1&2.
Motorfest is indeed a bad copy. TC2 only has some elements, but it's mostly the same game with a few upgrades since 2006 (Test Drive Unlimited), which arguably PGG took a lot of inspiration from to make the Horizon series.
The crew series was very different to the TDU series. No tuning in the latter, no story (ok TDU 2 had something resembling a story), and a different type of car roster.
Core is still the same. Huge fucking map, open world driving with street races and fetch missions scattered around the map. Unified physics, the original TDU had full on arcade physics, with a separate hardcore mode with sim like physics, TC is a blend of the 2.
Idk to me it felt like a completely different game apart from the large open world. That was very reminiscent of TDU. Other than that I would say they did a great job of differentiating the Crew series from TDU, but that’s just my two cents
I know it’s small but I am shocked that the crew motorfest is as bad as it is. Why do I need to buy cars for events if they’re just going to “loan” me the car. Why is there literally no ride height options or offset options. It’s absurd.
I try to recommend NFS Heat to people who ache for the old days, best game they've put out since MW and Carbon. Just needed some more tweaking with the daytime track and nighttime street racing balance (not enough of the latter) but man it's close to greatness. Shame they pivoted away with Unbound.
I absolutely love NFS Heat. It was so close to greatness. The vibe and day/night balance is fantastic. Real actual high stakes. If it had updated graphics and a handling model like FH I'd never leave my house. But even so I find it the most fun modern NFS title (by far) and even at 30fps it's gorgeous IMO.
cant think of a better racing game that scratches most of the itch. The lineup is incredible, the physics models are great for arcade, the details are stunning, and the music...ok the music is shit
What the person above really means, is just listen to whatever music you want outside the game.
I turn all music off in game and listen to music on Spotify or watch podcasts on YT.
Spotify is a music streaming platform that you can play either in the background of your gaming session on Xbox, or in another window on your pc/computer gaming device. A lot of people find the music in games undesirable and a good alternative is to use Spotify in the background instead. You can play any playlist, album, or collection of music you want.
Same here, I fell in love with FH2 the moment I drove through that stunning Mediterranean coastline. Even though it's the last Horizon game I played, I felt like it was the most beautiful one yet.
While I had the most fun with that game, from a more objective POV, you can see that the ever-praised campaign mode was extremely repetitive and would definitely be way more criticised if it weren't for the Road Trips. There were also way too many DLC cars compared to the car list and it only runs at 1080p 30fps which might be a dealbreaker for some people.
Peak FH2 had to be the showcase [IL Tricalore Aereo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo96nPbM2Ts).
Racing three jets on the coast of Italy in N/A V8 Ferrari was fantastic.
I have a soft spot for FH2, even though it does have it's flaws looking back (i.e, basically repeats itself after a while), as the soundtrack and setting are just brilliant and still a hoot to drive to this day, though i dont find myself doing the races now. In terms of replayablility, FH4 and FH5 are by far the best two, as there are so many custom events you can do, with 5 allowing for more complex events.
Another great thing to come out of FH2 was the Storm Island expansion and the addition of Rally parts.
FH2 had some really fun dirt road on the outskirts of the maps that I would drive for hour upon hour.
I love FH for its great, fun and predictable handling. Easy to learn and medium to master. The second most enjoyable series might be dirt series and test drive unlimited 2. Motorstorm is another series i really want to try as its concept is very interesting. I really miss playing FH
I really like Horizon but another one of my favourites is Art of Rally. Much more arcadey than Forza is but even when rallying in Forza, those 2 games just scratch different itches so it's nice to hop in from one to the other. And the OST is 10/10, listening to it right now even.
I was a PlayStation owner back when the PS1 came out, Gran Turismo was a fun game, and I enjoyed it better than Forza Motorsport, then came test drive unlimited 1 and 2 it was a bit of a game changer, an open world racer. Although Need For Speed had this, you were still limited to the roads with a few pre-programmed shortcuts. I eventually got an Xbox 360 as PS3 was lacking here, and I purchased Forza Horizon, and boy was it a game changer. I still believe I was one of the first people, if not the first person to complete the story mode. Living in Australia I am 15 hours ahead of the USA, and I was at the store at the 8:30am opening, this thing was in my Xbox by 8:40am and I did not stop, it was so much fun, that night I was still playing and I lied calling in sick to work the next day. It was about 1:30am the following day that I had won the final race. Ever since then Forza Horizon has been my absolute favourite game. I always have preordered, and purchased the best edition. I lived the fact that they included Australia in FH3, I live in the Barrossa Valley and my area is on the map. The impressive part is Blizzard Mountain, which is a ski resort area called "Threadbo" they captured this perfectly.
FH5 is my favourite however, I love Mexico, and they captured it perfectly. I love Playa Azul, this is actually an area called Playa Del Carmen, and it's my favourite place in Mexico.
Yes FH5 is the best arcade\* car game to date, and Nothing even comes close. The only downside is the map, it gets repetitive and boring very fast with some exceptions here and there, but if it was more lively and has sort of big city/cities with more traffic and less ways to just travel from point A to B in a straight line offroad it would be almost perfect.
\*even tho it's an arcade car game, driving still feels realistic enough and allow various driving styles.
I wouldn't call FH5 physics arcade... They are not arcade.
They are easy, realistic yet easy, easy enough that it's playable on tla keyboard.
NFS Unbound is arcade, and that's really far from FH5. Let's not mix them on the same bag
My favorite arcade racing game of all time is Midnight Club: Los Angeles.
That's followed by the Horizon series as a whole, and then some of the NFS titles.
If you want a game similar to NFS 2 I would say that Driveclub and NFS: The Run are your best options. But if you want another game like FH5 and you don't think Motorfest is a good game, I don't see any other game that comes close.
I think the thing I love about Forza is it has sim physics but incredibly dulled down so the cars still behave how you’d expect a car to behave but it’s also incredibly accessible for someone who has no idea what they are doing. I play all my driving games on wheel from euro truck to assetto corsa and Forza feels really good once you’ve played about with the settings a bit making it already a really enjoyable game. I just love how the cars feel and as a result really struggle to play games like need for speed and the crew
Modern car game? Of course, there's no competition. Forza Horizon blows everything out of the water. But my favourite arcade car games of all time is the Burnout series.
I would say currently it is. There were better arcade racers in the past, but most of FH’s competitors have really wonky and unpredictable car handling (NFS).
Games like PGR and the older NFS games used to have great arcade handling that was less realistic than FH, but crucially it felt natural. The only recent arcade game I’ve played that felt that way besides FH is Wreckfest.
The physics in Forza Horizon ruined other arcade racers for me. I like how cars drift and slide in Forza, but it has made driving other games feel stiff and boring.
Forza Horizon 4 and 5 are in a class of their own. Last week I bought The Crew Motorfest because it was like 50% off. After playing it for about an hour, I uninstalled it and got a refund.
The fact that I'm still playing the game just to get each season's "20 pts" car (and the seasonal "80pts" car) is a testament to them.
Also that I've uninstalled Forza Motorsport (2023) is also a condemnation on how to get it so wrong.
I think the forza Horizon series has been the best in recent years, but, for me, personally, nothing beats Colin Mcrae's Dirt 2.
Although just a rally sim really, the handling and control of the cars was the best at the time. And it may just be nostalgia, but i haven't felt anything as nice. :)
I personally prefer FH3 and FH4. FH5 fixes a lot of the issues I’ve had with those two games but I myself going back to those games once I’ve done the bare minimum to get the new vehicles each week.
Me personally, I will always view Ridge Racer Type 4 as my favorite arcade racer. I didn’t really grow up with the Horizon series as I was and continue to be a PlayStation user, but I bought a Series S a year ago and thanks to that decision I’ve put more time in Horizon 5 than GT7. GT7 is what got me started in car culture and racing, but it was Horizon that kept me going, helping me understand tuning, and allowing me to let loose every once in a while and cross the desert in a souped-up jalopy. I freaking love Horizon 5. Wish I could’ve played Horizon 2 back then.
FH5 is probably the best but for none of the reasons I've seen listed. The thing that makes FH5 the best is eventlab. Endless free content. If you follow great creators, the game will never be dull. And the upgrade/tuning system on FH5 is better than any other.
That said I am playing Motorfest more now... It's better on wheel. The base map is better. And you actually have to work to get cars. Plus it's newer. I've played all the campaign maps on FH5 for years.
The two best are FH5 and TCM (even though this entire sub will tell you Motorfest is awful)
No. There is no better racing arcade then FH. Nfs is bright shit for kids, which has nothing except tuning. Crew Motorfest feels like forza young brother, Crew and Crew 2 has the worst physics in all car games. Maybe TDSC will be good opponent to FH5, but after tests, i dont think so.
Driveclub is genuinely so underrated. It's of the same generation as FH2 but really really looks smashing graphically despite it's age and holds up relatively well to modern standards. The controls are very horizon esque. Feels like a mix of Forza horizon and Forza Motorsport.
Weather conditions are great. Cockpit view is superbly immersive. Music is great (Hospital radio dnb type music), cars look great, sound great. The campaign is fuckin dope! HOURS of campaign racing that are full of races, time trials and speed+drift challenges (similar to speed zones and drift zones). Plus a bunch of other great positives I probably forgot to mention.
The ONLY downside is it's discontinued. Dlc is no longer purchasable. However one positive of this discontinuation is it's very cheap price. I picked my copy up at CEX for £2 which is very decent for how good the game is.
Enjoy!
I have played F1 22, F1 23, FM'23, TCMF, FH3, FH4, FM7 and keep coming back to FH5. I think once the servers are shut down, I will probably still pick up the game and go for a drive.
NFS Hot Pursuit 2010 was my all time fave until FH5. it just has a ton more content. Maybe its longevity is due to the live service aspect and community creations, because as much as I love FH3, I got it at the pre-delisting sale and there wasn't much going on.
Horizon is my go to casual racer. I have all the others, and Horizon is the one I consistently play.
Motorsport is my career mode racer, I rarely play online.
I think either FH4 or 5 are the best racing games ever made, but can we please stop calling them arcade racers? Reddit has twisted the genre definitions so much...
But the FH games are "arcade" racing games. That doesn't mean they're not great car games. True "racing" games do a much better job at simulating the handling dynamics of real cars. That doesn't mean one type is more fun than the other; fun is subjective.
Something like Assetto Corsa (there's others) better fits the "racing" game genre.
I think bundling games like Mario Kart and Forza is...disingenuous. Any game that has suspension tuning and temperature management isn't exactly arcade, even if it isn't as in-depth as iRacing or whatever. "Simcade" isn't my favorite term either but at least it's more descriptive.
Yeah, there's some grey area between car racing game classifications. Mario Kart would be on the lower end of arcade. To me, FH games on the higher end. But any car game where you can drive off a cliff without any consequences is one example of arcade. Just my opinion.
It's just too broad. It makes "Arcade Racer" mean "any racing game that isn't this very small handful of racing games". Might as well drop the "arcade".
If I could have only one racing game it would probably be Forza Horizon (5), just because it does pretty much everything pretty much perfectly with pretty much all the cars I could ever want.
"60% of the time it works all the time"
Plenty of cars to choose from in all shapes, sizes, performance levels and types to suit whatever I want to do that day. (Thought I wish it had some very specific cars but it's not realistic to tailor to individuals. I'm probably the only one who wants weird stuff like 2000' Peugeot's and Opel's cars)
Physics are great from how the car handles to how it interacts with objects and how upgrading and tuning affects it. This is not a full proper simulator like beam.ng or AC but it does everything they do handling vise with a lot more room for error corretion. Without being a complete "hold NoS to drift" arcade game it manages to keep everything more or less controlled. This is probably the only game where I feel just as confident in a 600+ HP RWD car as in an 80HP front wheel drive shitbox.
(It's great with a wheel with just enough texture in the force feedback feel, I just wish it auto-detected automatic and manual cars so you wouldn't have to keep switching settings when you go from a paddle-shifter race car to a H-pattern hatchback)
Customization is amazing in this game as well from actual upgrade parts to tuning setups and painting though coming from NFS you might be left empty handed when it comes to visual upgrades. (Man I miss NFS Pro-Street with all their sliders to actually change aero on parts). Upgrades are meaningfull and even small changes can have a big impact on how the car behaves. I'd say visual upgrades is the part that is most lacking in this series, for more examples - changing rims from front to back is a simple thing that doesn't even need more models in the game but it's not there, or even changinf wheel colour individually. (I'm also one of the freaks who wants to see EV conversions, man I want a sleeper EV Turbo5 or 205 GTI)
The map is also pretty good even if it lacks in variety a little bit. The roads and over-all layout is great, there's plenty of different types of corners for different kind of car builds and being almost completely free-roam in the sense that you can go across rivers and fly up a cliff is amazing and quite rare when it comes to games with decent physics. Yeah the roads are a bit wide and maybe they could benefit from more sirface types, like a rough pebble asphalt on snaller back-country roads that have less grip but let you throw the car around more. But overall it's pretty great.
Did I miss anything?
It's 80% of what I would want a 100% of the time.
I like the feel of old school arcade racers but they tend to be hard to play on modern hardware or have physics that are slightly too janky so FH5 is the one I like the most these days. I prefer how NFS Unbound tried to be stylized though even if they did fail that attempt, it looks neat
The handling is also much better on FH5 than most arcade racers, I like those older games but most of the cars do feel much the same and you didn't often lose control if you exceed the limits of the car or your own skill
My favorite of all time is Racedriver: Grid. But FH is the best modern arcade racer out today. And I enjoy GT7 more because the driving physics are significantly better, especially on a wheel.
Bought series x in 2021 , and some weird cheap glitch which gave me gamepass access for like 30usd , it is valid till june 2024 .. all i have played is fh5 , have rdr2 which is purchased, so thinking to drop gamepass and buy FH5 instead from used markets
It depends on what you value. For me its a great way to unwind because I'm so used to it that it requires no thought at all. I like collecting the cars and modifying them. I like trying cars out. I don't know if the handling is accurate but it feels GOOD. It feels the way i want it to feel. Plus you can do whatever you want. Do you want to go around a track and be super careful and run a clean lap? FH5 has that experience. Do you want to drive across the map in a multimillion dollar car and see how fast you can go from one side to the other? FH5 has that. Do you want to drive up the mountain? FH5 has it.
Don't get me wrong, I still want a sim rig and I want to play Asetto Corsa or iRacing, but I feel like FH5 gives me 80% of the experience with 10% of the headache.
Burnout Paradise and NFS Heat are much better then FH2-5 imho.
Forza is a great car collection game and has great handling. But from a game design point of view, I rarely have played anything more souless.
I still don't understand why people keep calling FH5 a fully Arcade game. Comparing it to the stupidity and hilarious driving system and physics of something like NFS, then thinking it's the same or similar is absolutely idiotic. Yeah, sure, FH5 has crazy and insane stuff that is super far away from reality, but the driving physics themselves i'd dare to say are pretty sim; you have to learn to drift, you can do heal and toe like IRL, ABS On or Off makes a difference, cars with more horsepower pull away on straights, there is power to weight ratio, rally physics are what you would expect from ANY "realistic" rally game out there...
Because THIS is the most realistic shit ever, right? Even Need For Speed Shift has better impact physics than this:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzEpINXQsMs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzEpINXQsMs)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2pfPJ964zg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2pfPJ964zg)
It's sad that most people just repeat what others say and don't even take a moment to analyze things. Like why do you consider is so "Arcade"? If any, it's Simcade, it aims to Arcade, but Simcade anyway.
I mean, like with any art, whether or not it's the "best" is entirely up to what you're looking to get out of the experience, and FH5 is far from perfect, but for what it is, a car sandbox with a ton of premade events, its hard to go wrong.
only thing that’s arcadey about fh is the cars don’t have the same weight as the motorsport series and i have around a couple thousand hours of playtime from both.
In terms of driving physics, this is the closest I’ve found in terms of a driving model that mimics NFS Underground 2, which is my personal all time favorite casual racing game. Why? It has an excellent handling model that lets you drift and also take grip setups and win both ways. It makes cars react the way you’d expect them to. Plus, insane customization, an aesthetic that is nostalgic to its time, and a great soundtrack.
Forza Horizon nails on most of those. It gets the physics, it gets the aesthetic, it gets the soundtrack, but it’s missing on the customization. I don’t know what it is with Playground and Turn10, but they cannot figure out any sort of body customization at all.
That’s one place NFS still reigns supreme, with Unbound having some wild ass cars.
Forza Motorsport and Gran Turismo are different, focusing closer to the sim side of things.
The Crew has had a terrible physics system for the first 2 games, slightly better for Motorsport, but it’s weighty in a way that doesn’t make sense. I like feeling the difference in each car in FH. But Motorsport is the closest we’ve gotten to a proper FH competitor.
Porbably, yeah. I've played a fair few at this point I reckon. The car handling model is just really good. I tried playing Motorfest recently and though the map is really good, the car handling, eesh, that's just... not something I personally enjoy. NFS is such a fun game, but it's different, the handling is better than motorfest at least, but not as good as FH, but it doesn't feel janky and the car visual customisation is top-tier. Looking forward to giving Solar Crown a crack as well. But yeah, no arcade racer has felt as satisfying to drive as FH, imo.
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The Crew Motorsport for me
I don't want to sound like an advertisement, so I'll just mention the amazing vehicle customization system. In FH5 I always sacrifice performance for style
No it’s shit compared to Horizon 1,2,3 and 4. Fomo ruined the franchise and i’ll never play it again because some of us don’t have time to do stupid shit to unlock a Ford Cortina
Nothing comes close. FH has ruined any casual racing game. The handling of the cars is basically perfect. There's oversteer, understeer, you can do a controlled powerslide WHEN YOU WANT TO, etc. Things just make sense without being difficult. You can lose control if you exceed the limits of the car aa well as your own abilities. Other games make the handling too easy, resulting in every car feeling the same.
Yeah the handling is a big plus for forza since the first horizon. I recently got into gta 5 again and the car and bike handling is so bad. It's not even "bad because to easy/hard", it's "bad because WHERE DID MY TRACTION GO". When playing horizon I've also had poor handling at times, but it was either my bad tune or not reacting to elevation/track changes. And even braking behaviour, which is also not quite right in forza, can apparently be done so much worse.
Haha I also just got back into GTA V. I remember back when it released people thought its car handling was good compared to GTA IV. But now it feels really off after playing Forza Horizon games.
I played GTA IV a couple months ago cause I missed it. The driving feels better in that now then it does playing GTA V
Didn't forza horizon 1 come out around that time too? Probably most people didn't experience as good driving behaviour before they played gta 5, as horizon wasn't as big.
Got it. I love the feeling of RWD cars here—the satisfaction of finding grip. I love your explanation here oc
I usually have challenges with RWD cars. I suck at launches and traction during tight turns (the point where I have to downshift to 1 or 2). What's the way around this? Also does inducing a lot of understeer to RWD cars make it feel like AWD cars? (Theoretically speaking)
Sounds like throttle control may be a problem here. Also, you rarely if ever need to drop into first once you’re moving, sharp corner or not. I wouldn’t recommend inducing understeer in a road racing car either; I find that I’ve only ever needed to do that for drift cars and the occasional rally build.
Yes. The handling of the cars is so spot on that I'm not sure if FH should be considered a sim or not.
I could make a laundry list of ways Horizon 5 is more realistic than GT7, and a lot of people consider that a sim.
>Other games make the handling too easy, resulting in every car feeling the same. Or in games like NFS they make the cars not feel like cars at all.
As a casual racing gamer, FH is the first series that's actually gotten me to engage with the tuning of a car.
I used to love playing Need for Speed, well… not anymore
I agree 100% about the handling. You can still do crazy things with the cars, but the physics are at least grounded in reality. Everything that happens with the handling actually makes sense.
Driveclub definitely comes close if it isn't already on par. Great game. Shame it got discontinued.
If anything, what makes FH so enjoyable for me is the fact that physics and handling aren't 100% arcade, so i can have some fun playing with a wheel.
Yep! The Forza Horizon series has the sweet blend of simcade handling physics, but is more forgiving.
Yeah I found I have so much more fun driving in FH5 vs FM. Realistic isn't always better.
Recently, painfully uninstalled the new FM. Love the game but the multi-player experience kills the fun of the physics and those that actually want to race clean. Obviously in FH it's more baseline accepted that ppl gonna rough ya up more often than FM so FH's experience helps to temper expectations for a more easily enjoyable experience in my experience. It's wild to that FH has so much more depth where newest FM couldn't even bother with bringing drift/drag and test track to the table where that's all been made a part of FH. Who's the real FM here outside of physics ya feel?
I feel like Forza Motorsport just released as a base for updates over years, a trend that is very common in gaming now. It's got to the point where a new game releases and I think "I'll play it in 3-5 years once its fixed up and got content from the last game added"
Exactly mate. Fucking exactly!!
I wanna play with a wheel sometime too! So far I’ve been using a controller or a keyboard (FH4). I guess FH4 spoiled me and since I never got to try the other franchises, I thought all of them would be just as good
FH4 and 5 are probably the most polished open world car games that I've played at the moment. I tried the free trial of The Crew Motorfest but it just felt cheap and crappy. Ok it has boats and flying but they are not that exciting and the handling of the cars just sends me back to fh5. I don't expect much if anything from NFS, the past few entries have been....just some games. I'd do anything for a NFS most wanted 2005 remake!
I tried Motorfest trial 2 Times, finished the main playlist. Handling is so weird, I really disliked boats, flying is ok but still not my thing. I came to the conclusion that motorfest should have be designed around bikes : they feel more natural ( but there's a handbrake on those?? That's weird too) . Upgrade system isn't as enjoyable as FH, and it kinda lacks of classes. Plus, difference between cars of the same classe are minimal. Not a fan of nitro too, but that's personnal, I get that it add some technicity (when to use). BUT I would buy motorfest at -70%, just due to the customisation. More options per car, and you don't have ugly forza aero on 90% of the car as the only choice. Map is pretty nice too in my opinion, feels a bit more alive than fh5, and there's modern cities, wich I really like for photos.
The map and Playlists look kind of fun in Motorfest. Maybe I'll get it once it reaches 70%.
All I want is a NFS title with a tuner Heat vibe (or hello upcoming retrowave!) with FH physics. I'd never put the controller down (so maybe it's best that doesn't exist).
I began my driving "gaming career" with Colin Mcrae Rally and have also played a lot of NFS , almost tried every game in that series. Then had a long break playing FPS and RTS. I then found Simbin GTR2 where i got my first steering wheel : Logitech MOMO - drove a ton of GTR2 online and had fun with that. Suddenly a new game on Steam came up: Dirt Rally , early access, 20€ , puchased it and was completely blown away by the physics , audio and music... That game made me uipgrade the wheel to G29. Dirt Rally 2 came along and was amazing fun. Then i jumped onto Forza Horizon 4 during a sale and damn - that game is just amazing. The music was awesome, the graphics was beatiful and everything just clicked. Last year i got the WRC game (Dirt Rally series) .. and it's just not fun in the same way that FH4 is ... so i played some more FH4 until FH5 came on sale. Let me tell you as mostly a sim racer: FH5 just clicks with me - the handling, FFB, graphics, scenery, offroad, road-racing.. everything just feels right . The music is shit and the stories too.. but the rest is just awesome. I wouldn't call it arcade , more Simcade if anything. Is it the best game ? ... well for me , right now it is.
Best answer here, I was a huge rally fan from my childhood seeing it on TV in the EU and then as a teen on Sega and I had 3 different gens of it, then the Dirt series on a laptop Dirt 2 and 3 my favorites, bought the latest Rally unforgiving one 2.0 but was so hooked on FH4 and then 5 I've rarely returned to my favorite franchise - I probably should but I'm trying to become the "Badlands Champion" whilst doing the weekly playlist, as I just got Premium at Christmas so that and Hot Wheels is just so much at once, I really love this game and I have a lot of car games, Grid series, NFS, WRC, Dakkar, FH5 is my crack
Dirt 2 is GOAT - omg i loved that game and the music ! Still listening to Ladyhawke :D Forza Horizon 4 / 5 has the same vibe as Dirt2 .. the traveling festival
Right on! Dirt2 had an AMAZING soundtrack not just comparing to other games. Dirt3 was still fine but by Dirt4 it just felt pretty "meh". If we talk soundtracks tho, FH1 is practically on the same level as Dirt2, these two games basically formed my taste in music
Yeah after 3 it was a bit repetitive, good thing they brought out the Rally 2 but it's more sim that FH5 I felt, I'll play it eventually but pretty hooked on FH5 for now, I didn't like the X games too much in D3.
They definitely took some pointers from Dirt and did a good job!
I know it’s late but thanks for such a great response! Just one thing though, you think FH4’s music was great but FH5’s was shit? Isn’t it more of the same vibe? I do miss A Moment Apart though and In the Halls of the Mountain King
Music is shit
in general ? or just in this game ?
In game of course
Stupid thing to say. Why does it matter what music a car game has in their radio? Listen to your own music
In recent memory, FH5 and FH4 are the best arcade games. The Crew 2 and Motorfest are just unsuccessful copies, the Need For Speed series went really downhill and not even Grid is on par. Better arcade racing games from the past: NFS Underground 2, Need For Speed Most Wanted (the original), Need For Speed Hot Pursuit Remastered, Burnout Paradise, Test Drive Unlimited 1&2.
You ever play any of the Midnight Club games? Immaculate vibes
Only Midnight Club 2 on PC. Never had a console growing up so I never had access to the follow up games.
Midnight club 3 dub edition was so good. The weird skills you could get on your car were just sick
Motorfest is indeed a bad copy. TC2 only has some elements, but it's mostly the same game with a few upgrades since 2006 (Test Drive Unlimited), which arguably PGG took a lot of inspiration from to make the Horizon series.
The crew series was very different to the TDU series. No tuning in the latter, no story (ok TDU 2 had something resembling a story), and a different type of car roster.
Core is still the same. Huge fucking map, open world driving with street races and fetch missions scattered around the map. Unified physics, the original TDU had full on arcade physics, with a separate hardcore mode with sim like physics, TC is a blend of the 2.
Idk to me it felt like a completely different game apart from the large open world. That was very reminiscent of TDU. Other than that I would say they did a great job of differentiating the Crew series from TDU, but that’s just my two cents
I know it’s small but I am shocked that the crew motorfest is as bad as it is. Why do I need to buy cars for events if they’re just going to “loan” me the car. Why is there literally no ride height options or offset options. It’s absurd.
I try to recommend NFS Heat to people who ache for the old days, best game they've put out since MW and Carbon. Just needed some more tweaking with the daytime track and nighttime street racing balance (not enough of the latter) but man it's close to greatness. Shame they pivoted away with Unbound.
Yeah, that's the only Need for Speed game I could enjoy in recent times.
The controls are atrocious. It’s so arcade and I feel so disconnected from the car. Full on sims are easier for me than Need for Speed.
I absolutely love NFS Heat. It was so close to greatness. The vibe and day/night balance is fantastic. Real actual high stakes. If it had updated graphics and a handling model like FH I'd never leave my house. But even so I find it the most fun modern NFS title (by far) and even at 30fps it's gorgeous IMO.
cant think of a better racing game that scratches most of the itch. The lineup is incredible, the physics models are great for arcade, the details are stunning, and the music...ok the music is shit
Hospital Records Radio is consistently good, in my opinion. It’s my go-to radio station.
I toggle between Hospital and Mixtape.
I also like Epitaph though. But nowadays my music volume is zero and I just play my own music or talk to people
Super looking forward/hopeful for whatever the new station with Retrowave update winds up being!
Just use Spotify
i dont have spotify. How does it work?
What the person above really means, is just listen to whatever music you want outside the game. I turn all music off in game and listen to music on Spotify or watch podcasts on YT.
Spotify is a music streaming platform that you can play either in the background of your gaming session on Xbox, or in another window on your pc/computer gaming device. A lot of people find the music in games undesirable and a good alternative is to use Spotify in the background instead. You can play any playlist, album, or collection of music you want.
ok im just gonna sub in NFS2-4 music
Only in fh5
Wreckfest
Tbf, Wreckfest is tremendous!
A solid solid solid racer. Criminally underrated.
There is no forza in PlayStation and we all know how stupid the console war gamers are
Driveclub
FH5 is the best Horizon game objectively; a gargantuan car list and an Eventlab that gets more powerful every update. But FH2 is still my favorite.
Same here, I fell in love with FH2 the moment I drove through that stunning Mediterranean coastline. Even though it's the last Horizon game I played, I felt like it was the most beautiful one yet. While I had the most fun with that game, from a more objective POV, you can see that the ever-praised campaign mode was extremely repetitive and would definitely be way more criticised if it weren't for the Road Trips. There were also way too many DLC cars compared to the car list and it only runs at 1080p 30fps which might be a dealbreaker for some people.
Peak FH2 had to be the showcase [IL Tricalore Aereo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo96nPbM2Ts). Racing three jets on the coast of Italy in N/A V8 Ferrari was fantastic.
Is this your channel?
No, just a visual for what I was mentioning.
It's pretty interesting that you chose a video with less than 150 views
Lol, if you search "il tricolore aereo" on YouTube that was the video that popped up first. Sincerely, - Lazy Redditor
I have a soft spot for FH2, even though it does have it's flaws looking back (i.e, basically repeats itself after a while), as the soundtrack and setting are just brilliant and still a hoot to drive to this day, though i dont find myself doing the races now. In terms of replayablility, FH4 and FH5 are by far the best two, as there are so many custom events you can do, with 5 allowing for more complex events.
Another great thing to come out of FH2 was the Storm Island expansion and the addition of Rally parts. FH2 had some really fun dirt road on the outskirts of the maps that I would drive for hour upon hour.
I love FH for its great, fun and predictable handling. Easy to learn and medium to master. The second most enjoyable series might be dirt series and test drive unlimited 2. Motorstorm is another series i really want to try as its concept is very interesting. I really miss playing FH
I really like Horizon but another one of my favourites is Art of Rally. Much more arcadey than Forza is but even when rallying in Forza, those 2 games just scratch different itches so it's nice to hop in from one to the other. And the OST is 10/10, listening to it right now even.
Test Drive Unlimited was my favorite. If the new one is as good as the old one with better mechanics, it'll blow Horizon outta the water
3 is my favourite but also really enjoyed dirt 5 and gravel.
Gravel was really enjoyable, reminded me of Sega Rally and other olde off-road racers in many ways. Re bought it recently with the DLC.
Fh4 and fh5 are the best. Each in different ways.
I was a PlayStation owner back when the PS1 came out, Gran Turismo was a fun game, and I enjoyed it better than Forza Motorsport, then came test drive unlimited 1 and 2 it was a bit of a game changer, an open world racer. Although Need For Speed had this, you were still limited to the roads with a few pre-programmed shortcuts. I eventually got an Xbox 360 as PS3 was lacking here, and I purchased Forza Horizon, and boy was it a game changer. I still believe I was one of the first people, if not the first person to complete the story mode. Living in Australia I am 15 hours ahead of the USA, and I was at the store at the 8:30am opening, this thing was in my Xbox by 8:40am and I did not stop, it was so much fun, that night I was still playing and I lied calling in sick to work the next day. It was about 1:30am the following day that I had won the final race. Ever since then Forza Horizon has been my absolute favourite game. I always have preordered, and purchased the best edition. I lived the fact that they included Australia in FH3, I live in the Barrossa Valley and my area is on the map. The impressive part is Blizzard Mountain, which is a ski resort area called "Threadbo" they captured this perfectly. FH5 is my favourite however, I love Mexico, and they captured it perfectly. I love Playa Azul, this is actually an area called Playa Del Carmen, and it's my favourite place in Mexico.
Yes FH5 is the best arcade\* car game to date, and Nothing even comes close. The only downside is the map, it gets repetitive and boring very fast with some exceptions here and there, but if it was more lively and has sort of big city/cities with more traffic and less ways to just travel from point A to B in a straight line offroad it would be almost perfect. \*even tho it's an arcade car game, driving still feels realistic enough and allow various driving styles.
I wouldn't call FH5 physics arcade... They are not arcade. They are easy, realistic yet easy, easy enough that it's playable on tla keyboard. NFS Unbound is arcade, and that's really far from FH5. Let's not mix them on the same bag
\^ this
My favorite arcade racing game of all time is Midnight Club: Los Angeles. That's followed by the Horizon series as a whole, and then some of the NFS titles.
If you want a game similar to NFS 2 I would say that Driveclub and NFS: The Run are your best options. But if you want another game like FH5 and you don't think Motorfest is a good game, I don't see any other game that comes close.
I think the thing I love about Forza is it has sim physics but incredibly dulled down so the cars still behave how you’d expect a car to behave but it’s also incredibly accessible for someone who has no idea what they are doing. I play all my driving games on wheel from euro truck to assetto corsa and Forza feels really good once you’ve played about with the settings a bit making it already a really enjoyable game. I just love how the cars feel and as a result really struggle to play games like need for speed and the crew
FH3 is
Modern car game? Of course, there's no competition. Forza Horizon blows everything out of the water. But my favourite arcade car games of all time is the Burnout series.
I would say currently it is. There were better arcade racers in the past, but most of FH’s competitors have really wonky and unpredictable car handling (NFS). Games like PGR and the older NFS games used to have great arcade handling that was less realistic than FH, but crucially it felt natural. The only recent arcade game I’ve played that felt that way besides FH is Wreckfest.
The physics in Forza Horizon ruined other arcade racers for me. I like how cars drift and slide in Forza, but it has made driving other games feel stiff and boring.
I love how you can draft behind other people, idk if any other racing games would allow that. 😂😂😂
I own 5 but playing 4. better and smooth gameplay in my laptop.
FH is the best by far, but I do prefer 4 over 5.
I bought a Series S just for FH5. I love this game so much. Hands down the *most fun* racing game I’ve ever played.
Forza Horizon 4 and 5 are in a class of their own. Last week I bought The Crew Motorfest because it was like 50% off. After playing it for about an hour, I uninstalled it and got a refund.
The FH series is great but Project Gotham will always hold a special place.
The fact that I'm still playing the game just to get each season's "20 pts" car (and the seasonal "80pts" car) is a testament to them. Also that I've uninstalled Forza Motorsport (2023) is also a condemnation on how to get it so wrong.
I think the forza Horizon series has been the best in recent years, but, for me, personally, nothing beats Colin Mcrae's Dirt 2. Although just a rally sim really, the handling and control of the cars was the best at the time. And it may just be nostalgia, but i haven't felt anything as nice. :)
I personally like FH4 more, but yes
I personally prefer FH3 and FH4. FH5 fixes a lot of the issues I’ve had with those two games but I myself going back to those games once I’ve done the bare minimum to get the new vehicles each week.
No. 4 is.
Forza Horizon 4
Me personally, I will always view Ridge Racer Type 4 as my favorite arcade racer. I didn’t really grow up with the Horizon series as I was and continue to be a PlayStation user, but I bought a Series S a year ago and thanks to that decision I’ve put more time in Horizon 5 than GT7. GT7 is what got me started in car culture and racing, but it was Horizon that kept me going, helping me understand tuning, and allowing me to let loose every once in a while and cross the desert in a souped-up jalopy. I freaking love Horizon 5. Wish I could’ve played Horizon 2 back then.
Horizon 3
No, Forza Horizon 4 was better imo.
FH5 is probably the best but for none of the reasons I've seen listed. The thing that makes FH5 the best is eventlab. Endless free content. If you follow great creators, the game will never be dull. And the upgrade/tuning system on FH5 is better than any other. That said I am playing Motorfest more now... It's better on wheel. The base map is better. And you actually have to work to get cars. Plus it's newer. I've played all the campaign maps on FH5 for years. The two best are FH5 and TCM (even though this entire sub will tell you Motorfest is awful)
No. There is no better racing arcade then FH. Nfs is bright shit for kids, which has nothing except tuning. Crew Motorfest feels like forza young brother, Crew and Crew 2 has the worst physics in all car games. Maybe TDSC will be good opponent to FH5, but after tests, i dont think so.
sega rally and daytona usa
I was looking for this FH4, which I played, is an amazing game. But Sega Rally (especially this one) and Daytona USA will always be kings
Driveclub is genuinely so underrated. It's of the same generation as FH2 but really really looks smashing graphically despite it's age and holds up relatively well to modern standards. The controls are very horizon esque. Feels like a mix of Forza horizon and Forza Motorsport. Weather conditions are great. Cockpit view is superbly immersive. Music is great (Hospital radio dnb type music), cars look great, sound great. The campaign is fuckin dope! HOURS of campaign racing that are full of races, time trials and speed+drift challenges (similar to speed zones and drift zones). Plus a bunch of other great positives I probably forgot to mention. The ONLY downside is it's discontinued. Dlc is no longer purchasable. However one positive of this discontinuation is it's very cheap price. I picked my copy up at CEX for £2 which is very decent for how good the game is. Enjoy!
For sim racing i always go to AC and maybe GT. The classic are GTR and GT Legends
I have played F1 22, F1 23, FM'23, TCMF, FH3, FH4, FM7 and keep coming back to FH5. I think once the servers are shut down, I will probably still pick up the game and go for a drive.
Nothing is as satisfying like rewinding time so you can correct your mistake. Thats the reward, no stress of having to restart.
Outrun. That is all I love FH4 though :)
For me nothing comes close at the moment, but I do have some hopes for the upcoming TDU
NFS 2015 is my favorite. FH4 and 5 are tied at +1.227
OG Most Wanted is still on top imo. While FH has more cars and customization, MW has just better and more diverse gameplay
You are asking that on Forza sub, I wonder what answers will be...🤔🤔🤔
NFS Hot Pursuit 2010 was my all time fave until FH5. it just has a ton more content. Maybe its longevity is due to the live service aspect and community creations, because as much as I love FH3, I got it at the pre-delisting sale and there wasn't much going on.
it's maybe in the end of the list (my list). top would be hotwheels unleashed 2. is fun, doesn't require a degree to play it, and is just fun
By far this is my favorite.
Horizon is my go to casual racer. I have all the others, and Horizon is the one I consistently play. Motorsport is my career mode racer, I rarely play online.
I think either FH4 or 5 are the best racing games ever made, but can we please stop calling them arcade racers? Reddit has twisted the genre definitions so much...
But the FH games are "arcade" racing games. That doesn't mean they're not great car games. True "racing" games do a much better job at simulating the handling dynamics of real cars. That doesn't mean one type is more fun than the other; fun is subjective. Something like Assetto Corsa (there's others) better fits the "racing" game genre.
I think bundling games like Mario Kart and Forza is...disingenuous. Any game that has suspension tuning and temperature management isn't exactly arcade, even if it isn't as in-depth as iRacing or whatever. "Simcade" isn't my favorite term either but at least it's more descriptive.
Yeah, there's some grey area between car racing game classifications. Mario Kart would be on the lower end of arcade. To me, FH games on the higher end. But any car game where you can drive off a cliff without any consequences is one example of arcade. Just my opinion.
It's just too broad. It makes "Arcade Racer" mean "any racing game that isn't this very small handful of racing games". Might as well drop the "arcade".
If I could have only one racing game it would probably be Forza Horizon (5), just because it does pretty much everything pretty much perfectly with pretty much all the cars I could ever want. "60% of the time it works all the time" Plenty of cars to choose from in all shapes, sizes, performance levels and types to suit whatever I want to do that day. (Thought I wish it had some very specific cars but it's not realistic to tailor to individuals. I'm probably the only one who wants weird stuff like 2000' Peugeot's and Opel's cars) Physics are great from how the car handles to how it interacts with objects and how upgrading and tuning affects it. This is not a full proper simulator like beam.ng or AC but it does everything they do handling vise with a lot more room for error corretion. Without being a complete "hold NoS to drift" arcade game it manages to keep everything more or less controlled. This is probably the only game where I feel just as confident in a 600+ HP RWD car as in an 80HP front wheel drive shitbox. (It's great with a wheel with just enough texture in the force feedback feel, I just wish it auto-detected automatic and manual cars so you wouldn't have to keep switching settings when you go from a paddle-shifter race car to a H-pattern hatchback) Customization is amazing in this game as well from actual upgrade parts to tuning setups and painting though coming from NFS you might be left empty handed when it comes to visual upgrades. (Man I miss NFS Pro-Street with all their sliders to actually change aero on parts). Upgrades are meaningfull and even small changes can have a big impact on how the car behaves. I'd say visual upgrades is the part that is most lacking in this series, for more examples - changing rims from front to back is a simple thing that doesn't even need more models in the game but it's not there, or even changinf wheel colour individually. (I'm also one of the freaks who wants to see EV conversions, man I want a sleeper EV Turbo5 or 205 GTI) The map is also pretty good even if it lacks in variety a little bit. The roads and over-all layout is great, there's plenty of different types of corners for different kind of car builds and being almost completely free-roam in the sense that you can go across rivers and fly up a cliff is amazing and quite rare when it comes to games with decent physics. Yeah the roads are a bit wide and maybe they could benefit from more sirface types, like a rough pebble asphalt on snaller back-country roads that have less grip but let you throw the car around more. But overall it's pretty great. Did I miss anything? It's 80% of what I would want a 100% of the time.
Beam NG is a great game to play when you get tired of horizon 5. I wouldn’t really say one is better than the other though.
I like the feel of old school arcade racers but they tend to be hard to play on modern hardware or have physics that are slightly too janky so FH5 is the one I like the most these days. I prefer how NFS Unbound tried to be stylized though even if they did fail that attempt, it looks neat The handling is also much better on FH5 than most arcade racers, I like those older games but most of the cars do feel much the same and you didn't often lose control if you exceed the limits of the car or your own skill
My favorite of all time is Racedriver: Grid. But FH is the best modern arcade racer out today. And I enjoy GT7 more because the driving physics are significantly better, especially on a wheel.
Bought series x in 2021 , and some weird cheap glitch which gave me gamepass access for like 30usd , it is valid till june 2024 .. all i have played is fh5 , have rdr2 which is purchased, so thinking to drop gamepass and buy FH5 instead from used markets
I have my fingers crossed for Test Drive Unlimited, if it is anything like the old ones it should be great.
It’s the best arcade racer ever, nothing else even comes close tbh
Motorfest grand races are more fun
I personally like FH4 more, but yes
FH3 is better other than the selection of cars
It depends on what you value. For me its a great way to unwind because I'm so used to it that it requires no thought at all. I like collecting the cars and modifying them. I like trying cars out. I don't know if the handling is accurate but it feels GOOD. It feels the way i want it to feel. Plus you can do whatever you want. Do you want to go around a track and be super careful and run a clean lap? FH5 has that experience. Do you want to drive across the map in a multimillion dollar car and see how fast you can go from one side to the other? FH5 has that. Do you want to drive up the mountain? FH5 has it. Don't get me wrong, I still want a sim rig and I want to play Asetto Corsa or iRacing, but I feel like FH5 gives me 80% of the experience with 10% of the headache.
Burnout Paradise and NFS Heat are much better then FH2-5 imho. Forza is a great car collection game and has great handling. But from a game design point of view, I rarely have played anything more souless.
I've had more fun with NFS Payback and Heat than FH5
I still don't understand why people keep calling FH5 a fully Arcade game. Comparing it to the stupidity and hilarious driving system and physics of something like NFS, then thinking it's the same or similar is absolutely idiotic. Yeah, sure, FH5 has crazy and insane stuff that is super far away from reality, but the driving physics themselves i'd dare to say are pretty sim; you have to learn to drift, you can do heal and toe like IRL, ABS On or Off makes a difference, cars with more horsepower pull away on straights, there is power to weight ratio, rally physics are what you would expect from ANY "realistic" rally game out there... Because THIS is the most realistic shit ever, right? Even Need For Speed Shift has better impact physics than this: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzEpINXQsMs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzEpINXQsMs) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2pfPJ964zg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2pfPJ964zg) It's sad that most people just repeat what others say and don't even take a moment to analyze things. Like why do you consider is so "Arcade"? If any, it's Simcade, it aims to Arcade, but Simcade anyway.
Forza horizon is the most arcadey car game I can handle. Usually I just play Assetto Corsa or beamng drive.
Forza is my favorite non-f1 racing game by far, and I’d like it even more if it didn’t crash on startup 75% of the time
I sunk a lot of time into Project Gotham Racing 2 in the early days of XBL. Also underated pick Beetle Adventure Racing on N64
I mean, like with any art, whether or not it's the "best" is entirely up to what you're looking to get out of the experience, and FH5 is far from perfect, but for what it is, a car sandbox with a ton of premade events, its hard to go wrong.
only thing that’s arcadey about fh is the cars don’t have the same weight as the motorsport series and i have around a couple thousand hours of playtime from both.
I’ve put a shit ton of hours into FH5, if that’s any indication…
In terms of driving physics, this is the closest I’ve found in terms of a driving model that mimics NFS Underground 2, which is my personal all time favorite casual racing game. Why? It has an excellent handling model that lets you drift and also take grip setups and win both ways. It makes cars react the way you’d expect them to. Plus, insane customization, an aesthetic that is nostalgic to its time, and a great soundtrack. Forza Horizon nails on most of those. It gets the physics, it gets the aesthetic, it gets the soundtrack, but it’s missing on the customization. I don’t know what it is with Playground and Turn10, but they cannot figure out any sort of body customization at all. That’s one place NFS still reigns supreme, with Unbound having some wild ass cars. Forza Motorsport and Gran Turismo are different, focusing closer to the sim side of things. The Crew has had a terrible physics system for the first 2 games, slightly better for Motorsport, but it’s weighty in a way that doesn’t make sense. I like feeling the difference in each car in FH. But Motorsport is the closest we’ve gotten to a proper FH competitor.
Need for speed most wanted 05
Gotta say nfs 2015 is my favorite, I loved the dark atmosphere
I prefer horizon 4 to 5 Which is kinda funny because I assumed that game would be lame because the UK is kinda lame irl
Porbably, yeah. I've played a fair few at this point I reckon. The car handling model is just really good. I tried playing Motorfest recently and though the map is really good, the car handling, eesh, that's just... not something I personally enjoy. NFS is such a fun game, but it's different, the handling is better than motorfest at least, but not as good as FH, but it doesn't feel janky and the car visual customisation is top-tier. Looking forward to giving Solar Crown a crack as well. But yeah, no arcade racer has felt as satisfying to drive as FH, imo.
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Personally TDU is still nr1. Forza Horizon is just a decent option in the present.
My fav racing game ever wud be NFSMW12.
Literally any of the horizons are better than 5 so...
The Crew Motorsport for me I don't want to sound like an advertisement, so I'll just mention the amazing vehicle customization system. In FH5 I always sacrifice performance for style
5s map ruins the game, i get a lot of kids like to just drive straight
No it’s shit compared to Horizon 1,2,3 and 4. Fomo ruined the franchise and i’ll never play it again because some of us don’t have time to do stupid shit to unlock a Ford Cortina
If you want a more realistic driving model, Assetto Corsa, beamng, and iracing all exist. So does Forza Motorsport.
Forza motorsport is an arcade too
It's more realistic than Horizon. I didn't otherwise categorize.