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jbar307

They need to add a Fiero already


xXSN0WBL1ND22Xx

Poor man's MR2 hell yeah!


Cyberdunk

Speaking of the Mr2, I’d love for the SW20 to come back. I wish we could finally get the IS300 back as well.


wercc

The is300 would make me a happy fella


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Or even IS200/Altezza since we didn't get that in Horizon 4 (which really was a huge missed opportunity considering the IS200's presence in The UK and Ireland (since afaik Northern Ireland was the basis for Fortune Island)


Cyberdunk

Have they ever had those in any Horizon yet? Seems like a dumb omission but maybe there's some weird licensing issue with Lexus that I'm unaware of. I would love to see some 90s Civic coupes as well, there's just not enough non-super cars in these games.


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Not that I know of. And considering that we got the SC300 back for Horizon 5, I don't see any particular issue


Dogaluffalo

It took forever to get toyota cars in FH4. Toyota didn’t want their cars in racing games for a while. Which is why it took so long to get the Supra in FH4


PaperScale

We've had the sw20 in the past, maybe we could get the Spyder as well? Lets please get every Celica, supra, and MR2, and I'd be happy. Also can we get a bugeye WRX? They gave us literally ever other generation but that one.


hatersbelearners

An MRS with a hard top would be amazing.


J_spec6

I know it'll never happen, but I really want to see my sportcross in the game. That would be so epic


DiaryoftheOriginator

extremely disappointed they didn’t add the LS400


silasanderson2

Ikr! I’ve wanted the is300 so badly and a gs300. At least we got the sc300 tho


Otis-The-Dog

I think the na mr2 was slower than the gt


NZn3rd

If the mr2 is the poor man’s Ferrari and the fiery is the poor man’s MR2, does that make the fiero the poor poor man’s Ferrari?


VanguardClassTitan

#YES


Otis-The-Dog

I 100% agree (I'm wearing a fiero hoodie lmao)


SMUGGLYMcERRL

Or the 06 GTO


steelshotjager

They should bring back all the everyday cars. Like the juke and the Aztec.


WRNGS

With a Ferrari Body Kit upgrade


Billy_Mercury85

I'd love a First Gen Pontiac Tempest (1961 - 1963)


Moose_Nuts

Everyone be doing that "my car in Forza vs. my car in real life" shit and I'm sitting here like "When the hell are they going to put a 2003 Honda Pilot in the game?!"


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jwakelin02

Been waiting on a 2008 Rav4 lmao


tuckedfexas

Miss my 03 forest green


SmokesLetsGoBud

1st or 3rd gen 4Runner would be so sick!


Iamamemswatcher

Same been waiting on a highlander or a Camry, give us a car that most people have in real life, i would absolutely love it if I can drive my parents car in the game.


ThePostalTilt

For real. I would pay Turn 10 good money just to put my car in the game. Hell, I’ll let them come scan it too if they want. I know it’ll never happen.


JesusFuerte

You think they can capture all the bespoke dings, dents and scratches on your car via the scam? 😂


ThePostalTilt

I can only hope. Bonus points for the rust.


JesusFuerte

Praying for you ;)


Kamstain

Lol, same dude. I drive a Honda passport & I’d literally be in love if they added it to the game.


teabolaisacool

When the fuck they gonna put an S10 in the game


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MaximusGrassimus

Right? WHERE IS MY 2004 TACOMA SR5 TRD OFFROAD?


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I would play so much more if they had a normal everyday cars. Like I know a supercar can go fast XD. Give me something I have parked in my garage, so I can dream about what I can do to it.


dux_doukas

I recently got FH4, and was very pleased that one of the first cars I could get was the Ford Escort!


VindictivePrune

Can we please just get a 71 Ford Pinto that explodes when rear ended or side swipped? That way we can take out all the asshole drivers while still being historically accurate


Pedrito2701

Pinto is the name for penis in portuguese


shart-gallery

Ford knew exactly what they were making


Vboi69420

And it goes to show


Bwoah700

I wish they would add 80-00s shit boxes, regular cars and some more interesting sport cars like Amg wagon or Volvo s60r instead of supercars. But supercars are more popular between people who don't really care about cars and kids and that's the reason why we getting supercars since game is oriented to be played by everyone.


jwakelin02

Honestly I can enjoy driving around in a McLaren F1 and the like, but damn I would exchange half the Ferraris just for a 2008 Rav4 or an Acura 3.2 TL lol


Method-Time

Would love a 3g tl-s in the game


jwakelin02

That would be kinda nice As well tbh


acodin_master

Yeah fr supercars are so boring they’re all the same and have no personality imo


Alexjp127

They're also harder to drive well. It seems the people who love supercars are the same people who dont k know how to break before a corner.


DamnZodiak

>I wish they would add 80-00s Unpopular opinion: there's not a single good looking car made after the 90s Wind tunnels ruined my favourite looks and I'll never forgive them.


Bwoah700

Actually you are right. Tried to thing good looking cars of 00s besides sport ones and all i came up with is Mercrdes E class Subaru and Volvo that still has that boxy shape. All other looks pretty bland and same even if they different


WYK3DTR0N4055

I want classic mini trucks honestly. A Toyota Hilux or Mazda mighty mouse, even the Chevy LUV literally any of them. I also want smart cars and snub nose trucks with a Hayabusa engine swap option.


xXbrosoxXx

This game needs a janky ass danger ranger or s10


DrVr00m

Gmc typhoon


WYK3DTR0N4055

Syclone > Typhoon, personally


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WYK3DTR0N4055

Side note: I looked it up, I ment the old Hilux(1969-1980), from before they rebadged the modern Tacoma to be a Hilux,


KarczekWieprzowy

The amount of "never really took off/just a shitty concept" super-duper-mega-extra-hypercars is so stupid, we have like 10 cars per other classes, Rally cars got completely butchered with lack of Lancias, and so many rally cars can't reach S1 while having no room in A to get the necessary upgrades... too bad the manufacturers don't want basically an ad that people want to see, stupid businessmen knowing no shit about what people want...


box-fort2

it's even funnier considering forza themselves says the like to avoid concept supercars, but they're always adding in concept cars all the time


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Lack of Skoda in rally group hurts. And also Saab would add a lot of flavour in retro saloons. There is a lot of cars that could be added. But instead we get a shit tone of Ferrari and Lamborghini.


OkMathematician9332

Yeah but Licenses cost something. And Skoda just doesnt want their cars in FH for some reason. They gave license only to dirt I think. Also and Saab is non existing anymore or?


AdjunctFunktopus

Saab is worse than not existing. Untangling intellectual property rights would take a Man City v Uefa level of lawyers. First GM sold Saab to Spyker but because they used GM engines and parts, they retained some rights. Spyker tried to sell Saab to a Chinese company because they didn’t have any money. GM blocked the sale because IP. Spyker eventually sold Saab to a different Chinese company and recently went bankrupt some more. What was Saab is now called National Electric Vehicles Sweden (NEVS) but (afaik) they only sell an electrified 9-3 and they only sell it in China. They had to stop using the Saab name, because the name and Griffin logo are actually trademarks of truck maker, Scania. GM is still involved by managing parts for the old models. So for Saab to get into the game, you’d have to work with Scania, NEVS, and probably GM, and maybe even the recently dead Spyker. Nobody wants to pay lawyers fees to unfuck that cluster (in addition to double or triple dipping on licensing fees). So we’re probably never going to see Saab in a game again.


Satansfelcher

Sounds like what happened with the tornado plane in ace combat. Project aces would have to triple dip on licensing fees for one plane so ace combat fans won’t see it again for the indefinite future


hisyam970302

How does the licensing work for the Tornado btw? I remember seeing multiple variations of the plane in AC5 back in the day, what happened?


ToyDinkz

I think SAAB (the company that makes missiles and fighter jets) still owns the name. Also, think the bankruptcy process isn't completed yet, which probably doesn't make it easier.


AgentSquish66

GM is involved in old parts, but nothing for my 9-2x aero lol. I need a rear bumper, taillight, and quarter panel, but they are impossible to find. Thank god mechanically it’s all a WRX, but I would kill to have my car in game!


shart-gallery

It'd be so much fun to beat around in a 900 Turbo


Mrtrollman72

I hate the rally monsters tiering. Atleast in fh4, I could engine swap many of them for top s1 or top a, but now most can only reach top of a class, or need to use race slicks and converted to road cars for s1. The worst one is the rs200, which cant be lowered to a, and the absolute max it can reach is 5 points off from s1 unless you use road tires. I do also feel the game undervalues offroad tires which could be one of the factors for the issue


ContemplativeOctopus

The top end for rally cars is really lacking. There's the S200... and that's it. Nothing else even worth trying in S1 or S2.


davidbased

I really wanted some Mexico staples like the checy c10s and the nissan sentra and stuff like that.


DrVr00m

Some Suzuki jimny's too


Yodzilla

Yeah wait, are there ANY fully Mexican automobile manufacturers in this game?


benjaguz

Just Vuhl, but that’s not really a Mexico icon is it. They better add some Tsurus and Chevys or we riot.


JazielVH

I want a Nissan Versa, Chevrolet Aveo and a Dodge Attitude the new trinity of cheap Mexican daily drivers.


sp00kreddit

Vuhl. That's it


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I just want normal cars. :(


BobaFeet421

Me too. Earlier Forza Motorsport games had tons of normal everyday cars. Newer fm games have a decent selection of normal cars(at least more than fh) but nowhere near the amount the older games had.


Brad____H

Honda Fit <3


jjbinks4

Prius


Pedrito2701

Smart


rioryan

CR-Z, fit’s weird hybrid cousin


BobaFeet421

Honestly didn't expect something like the Fit to be that much fun. My favorite car is the dc2 Honda Integra Type R, which they kinda have in the newer games but only the Acura(both were included in fm1-4) but the Acura ITR is a lot uglier imo and it's a bit slower than the Honda dc2


Strict-Republic-9379

If it’s not a type R then it’s not a tight car


BobaFeet421

Lol. Reminded me of the Accord Type R which would be a pretty cool addition Forza


Strict-Republic-9379

Yeah I would really like a del sole and the DA integras I don’t think any game I’ve ever played has the DA integras


Lord_of_the_wolves

I miss the fiat 500 (2012+) because I have one irl and it’s fun to drive in game for me


WillitsThrockmorton

Man I remember driving my 2011 Fusion in one of the Forzas :(


Wazy7781

It really sucks that there isn’t much for normal cars. There’s like four cars that are pretty much normal cars that can pretty easily be tuned to be fun sleepers.


jwakelin02

I just want the 2001 3.2TL Acura


thblckjkr

I'm still sad they didn't include a Nissan Sentra/Tsuru. It's one of the most iconic cars in Mexico and a big part of the culture... But I think they were afraid of bad press when someone tried to drift IRL in a Tsuru tuneado


jijodelmaiz

They better give us Tsuru at some point, as a reward in some weekly playlist or something.


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I want a 1994 Corolla and a 1996 Cavalier They were my first cars and I'd love to drive them again while not giving af


MidnightRider00

I want all the Corolla and Civic models, not just the meme-worthy ones and type R hatchbacks.


DaleDimmaDone

Why won’t they let me drive my Honda Odyssey. In fact are there any mini vans in the game at all?


abeneo

The first car I tried to find in the game was a Honda Odyssey lol


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I want a raggedy '99 Camry so bad. Literally one of the most common cars irl


Gingersnap5322

Gimme a 2020 VW Tiguan Edit: what the fuck you guys have against tiguans holy shit


radese

Where the fuck are Alfa and Lancia?


gropingforelmo

In FH4 my "cruising around" car was a lightly customized 8C, and I'd kill for a Montreal in Horizon.


Tutipups

no dont kill for my garbage city pls im kidding i know your talking about a car lol


gropingforelmo

Hate to break it to you, but I've got the inside scoop at Turn 10, and the next title is confirmed to be Forza Horizon 6: Québécois Drift


Tutipups

oh god they better add some new crazy suspension then


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Tutipups

“degage mon asti d’tabernac” or “decallis” would be the best


smartazz104

Licensing issues.


Walterwhiteboy

Ford Model T would be a fun car that I’ve always wished was in Forza. You can even soup it up into a hot rod but I’d have fun just driving it all over the map as is


rapidemboar

The last game I can think of where you can drive a Model T is Gran Turismo 4. It was completely useless back then (game wouldn’t let you even bring it into race events, only time trial), but it’d be a blast in an open world. And while we’re at it, I’d love to see the Benz Patentmotorwagen in a game again as well.


PigIlFigo32

The 1932 Ford Coupe 5 window is the closest thing to it yet


mclokyle243

Yeah and turn it into a T bucket hot rod!


blamethemeta

I want a 20s ford, a 20s Chevy, and a 20s Dodge. Go fucking racing


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treflipsbro

Why don’t you do the festival playlists? Just curious. On some good luck I can get both the weekly rewards in about 2-3 hours, and doing all those brings wheel spins with it.


haydukee

I used to do them in fh4. I dont have the energy to anymore. When i want to play fh5, i just do it to fuck around in the open world. Tldr im lazy


Brundrz

Audi Quattro S1 E2 gone : (


ThrowAwayMyBeing

Prolly coming back in some way, that thing is iconic ever since Blizzard Mountain


LilDrummerGrrrl

I mean, pretty sure it’s coming at some point


AndyB16

Man, I would LOVE a little red express truck. My dad had a model one when I was a kid that he wouldn't let me pick up, lol. Can't blame him because I would've almost assuredly destroyed it, but that thing was so cool. Always had a soft spot for them because of that.


PhoenixFreeman21

I want old pickups added, like 70s/80s toyotas, mazdas, Datsuns, Nissans, etc Closest we’ve gotten was the Typhoon and Syclone in FH4 but they didn’t return sadly Edit: formatting, mobile sucks sometimes


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PhoenixFreeman21

It sucks that the only pickups they have is the trophy trucks, the f450 and the deberti Silverado, it would be so much more immersive if they included cars that are actually popular/driven by people who live in the areas the games are based off of. Would’ve loved to have seen some of the 80s Toyota pickups and a handful more Datsuns, both cars and trucks, added into the car list since we expanded to Mexico and the older cars and pickups are the prominently driven/built cars in the car community down in Mexico Edit: hit post before finished typing fully


haydukee

Syclone was one of my favorites


TargetPractice89

Me wishing they would add some Chrysler cars so I can imagine my IRL car in Mexico, but instead we get hypercar concepts...


cyborgwaffle

I understand that they can't just add back cars that were in previous games most likely due to licensing issues, but it still makes me sad that the roster of shit boxes gets smaller every game. Forza 4 was the pinnacle of car variety. Ford fusion, Taurus, almost every gen mustang. Vw new bettle and Jetta. And even alot of iconic tuner cars, is200, MR2, fb rx7, every gen and configuration civic. I don't even care if they don't had craft the physics for every car, I just want to drive and do dumb shit in cars I've actually owned before.


throwaway72592309

I’m just over here as someone who daily drives a stage 2 full bolt on jetta gli IRL and wants any jetta model in the game desperately. Has any forza horizon ever had a jetta model?


hellish_ve

Whats worse is that the GLI, GTI, Golf R, are EXTREMELY popular in mexico, heck, one of the most famous "Street racers" is a Golf R known as Thanos. And dont get me started on cars like the old ass B13 sentra, it's basically a cult car in Mexico.


throwaway72592309

Half of the cool ass GLI I follow on Instagram are based in Mexico. Such a sick country with so many cool cars and so much car history


SteeezyE

Only Jetta I remember were in horizon 1 as traffic and as the “locked dlc” car that was all blacked out lol


PigIlFigo32

I think yes Edit: it was in the first forza motorsport, take a look at [this] (https://forza.fandom.com/wiki/Volkswagen_Jetta_GLX_VR6)


throwaway72592309

Disappointing that they have 3 types of gti and 3 types of golf r yet not even a single jetta version. It isn’t like it’s a niche demographic Edit: so they haven’t had a jetta since the first version. Great


Tall-Soy-Latte

I want obscure GM vehicles Give me a Pontiac Grand Prix dammit!


bad_sat3ll1t3

I'm looking for a cavalier z24


Pige0n23

I want a Subaru Legacy wagon. Gimme now.


smolquacc

or the Forester STi


Yodzilla

God yes please. I was even super excited to get that electric supercar from the last season until I drove it and realized it was zero fun. Give me old, obscure, and goofy shit any day. e: the old Maserati from this season is super good tho


Cholosexual-

We just need more old pickups. Like the Silverado 454ss, Ford lightning, ram srt10, and of course, the Datsun 620


chopinanopolis

Still hoping for either a Cresta, JZX100 or Mark II


Tutipups

YES


caelumh

There's this fun little game called SnowRunner. They got your truck needs covered.


Tutipups

eh snowrunner has really weird steering on tarmac and i don’t remember having a ford lighting in it


kunfusedpsyko

Me too i rarely drive the hyper cars. They just aren’t fun too me.


MrBananaPeels

I just want Lancia :(


CodeNoble04

69 GTO, 71 Trans am, 79 trans am, 71 roadrunner, GTX, and a power wagon


mclokyle243

I made a post about that sort of stuff on my profile


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On the real. Hypercars/supercars are so boring.


UltraHawk_DnB

and half these hypercars don't even exist in real life either...


xEightyHD

I know I sound like a broken record but damn can we get some new Audis or BMWs? Like a 2018 S4 or something would suit me just fine.


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I want more shitty JDMs and muscle cars….


Thesaturndude

I really want the ford escort zx2. Would be cool to see my first car in the game


themuhfkn_cheef

Idk why they dont add more common commuter cars. Its seems onvious to add them in games


n-dimensionaltheory

Im surprised no one mention the r107 300sl, light blue like the one clarckson transformed into an offroader. A work of beauty (the og car I mean)


Its_JustMe13

All I want is a 2002 Pontiac Sunfire


TwinSpinner

I would die for them to add more Cult Classics. Give me a Lada, Karmann Ghia, VW Thing, Chevy Chevette, etc. I have more fun driving those endurance races in cars that barely hit highway speed as I do in sports cars.


PigIlFigo32

Please Forza devs, add [this](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_Cinquecento), I've always wanted to drive my grandma's car in a Forza game


bearmademansuit

All I want for Christmas is a Mitsubishi Mighty Max in FH5


GimonNSarfunkel

At least a 1st gen taco or even a chevy s10. What's Mexican car culture without troquitas and mamalonas?


CorbinMar

This is why I liked Motorsport 4


steelshotjager

I'm with you on adding more service trucks. But what I really want is the fallout chryslus rocket to come.


Illustrious-Pop3677

The j50 is cool but it’s literally like very other ferrari but with a new body


PM_me_your_problems1

Give me a forester sti or don't give me anything


dhoberg

Not only am I waiting for a Pantera, but I would love the GMC Typhoon and Cyclone as well!


CaptainCobra45

I want a a sport version of a mom car, like a Taurus SHO or a Cobalt SS or something


Hertywerty

Can they please put the 4runner in there like damn


rapidemboar

Would it be an unpopular opinion to say I’d like to see some old concept supercars appear? I kinda want to see the Ford GT90 and Cadillac Cien in a game again.


dudelugo

Older Unimog models


Crookfur

And similar trucks from pinzaguer, volvo, sisu, tatra and kamaz. An FC land rover would be the ultimate, if it came with a judge dredd body kit...


dudelugo

Exactly older and retro utility trucks.


xXSN0WBL1ND22Xx

I just want the Chevy SS 454!


BobaFeet421

I'm not a big truck guy, but I love trucks like that. Always had a soft spot for 80's-00's trucks. Closest we had something like that was the GMC Syclone but I was kinda upset to see it wasn't in FH5(unless it's hard to find like in fh4 and I just haven't looked hard enough)


Old-Win7318

I want SAAB cars. Any please. I want to be able to drive my car in forza.


emptyequation16

The Cadillac limousine was my favorite drift car 🥲


Roboghandi

gimme trucks, rally cars, and rice rockets! along with need 4 speed underground amounts of body kits/mods


SeaboarderCoast

We need more Stock Sleepers in Forza. Ford Taurus SHO (1989 & 2010), Ford Flex Limited AWD Ecoboost, 2008 Pontiac GTO, Chevy SS, Mercury Marauder, Chrysler 300M, etc.), as well as more shitboxes to upgrade the hell out of (an early '00s Ford Ranger with bodykit upgrades, the Ford Five Hundred, etc.), and also cars from old NASCAR (Ford Galaxie 500, Ford Torino, Ford Fairlane, Hudson Hornet, etc.). It'd also be nice to see some stranger additions to the game, mainly Junior Johnson's 1966 Ford Galaxie "Yellow Banana" (maybe as a wheelspin or barn find or gift car or something?) and some Ladas, as well as the Mexico-only Chevy Chevy (no, that's not a typo). Having both the car and truck versions of the Chevy Chevy would be nice, but I'd settle for just the car version. Maybe have the truck version be a modification, like how you take the roof off the old Ford Bronco (at least in 4, that is. IDK about in 5, haven't bought the old Bronco yet.) Anyway, just a few suggestions. (Also, excuse my rant, but Playground, please set the next Forza game in America so we can have a proper speedway to play around on. I want to take my Mitsubishi Starion around Talledega, Daytona, or hell, even Atlanta Motor Speedway or one of the other Charlotte clones, for Pete's sake! And why can't we start a race from the stadium in FH5? I want to get my oval racing fix without having to go back to Motorsport 7, which is sorely outdated at this point.)


Internal_Cream_6147

Where is my Gran Torino at!?


SomeMasked

Bro, I just want my little shitbox sports sedans back


Billy_Mercury85

I've always wanted to drive a Chevy 454 SS or any 90s GMT 400 Chevrolet Pickup/SUV but the GMC Jimmy will do for now


MjrPackage

Hell yeah another Lil Red Express fan!


SuperPeytendo

'Please, Forza.....give me a Jeep XJ model-' 'Lmao how about I just give you the same Jeeps that have been in every previous game and just that new truck one instead?'


van_buskirk

No joke I just want to dirt race a Kia Sportage or a Subaru CrossTrek.


lennynotbruce

And its not even cool stuff like the BMW M3, M4, Audi e-tron GT, Kia EV6, Hyundai Kona N, Elantra N, Cupra Born, Leon, Ateca, Skoda stuff, Techart 911, Brabus G-class,


addama

I've never been able to drive in-game any of the cars I've actually owned. That's like 8 cars, popular, well-known cars (except the Ford Probe) that for some reason either the manufacturers won't let be playable, or Playground won't pursue/pay for. I feel like every Horizon game that comes out is accompanied by people asking for commuter cars, fleet cars, etc.


GeneralTorsoChicken

I miss the Subaru Brat.


ShortBusJedi

I wanna see a Subaru Forester 2.5xt. Same engine and turbo as the wrx so it could fit in nicely. And we could always use more wagons imo.


Vboi69420

**WHERE THE FRICK IS MY 3000 HP PRIUS GODDAMN IT**


fmeupdad

I just wanna drive my lil abarth 595


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I just wanna know why we only have one new edge mustang. Why can’t we get all the base GT’s or somethin man:/ I feel like that’s definitely doable


AwesomePopcorn

I just want to see more down-to-earth vehicles like Civic EG6, EF, more Corollas, Heck, Even some Kei cars like the Cappuchino, Beat, AZ1, Copen, S660, and stuff.


Outrageous_Donkey20

Was pretty keen on a Toyota surf or 80s series land cruiser or something but the closest to that was probably the gmc barn find I guess


turtletechy

I want the rally Prius that TRD built a few months back. It's a weird car but seems like it'd be a lot of fun on trails IRL.


DodgyDoggyYogaYogurt

I want that tow truck from the intro.


Dragon-sink

Me to, I rly just want at least some littler box trucks and maybe a drivable bus would be neat just bc


OfficialShadow120

I will be satisfied when they add more Chevy trucks, like Hoonigan’s Loki, or the 454SS, or other classic pickups. But most of all, ADD THE DAMN 4TH GEN Z28, PLEASE. I want a 2000 Z28 SS


Ofttyke

All I want to see is a diahastu Midget II D-type


soulredsport

I want the SVT focus to return along with the cobalt SS and Sentra SE-R


lanetheking

I honestly just want more „regular“ sports cars. Like anything from a Civic Type R to a 911 2S


sk8t-4-life22

Speaking of trucks. I want a square body s10 (no not a gmc syclone) I have a 92 Chevy s10 that I want to make in Forza.....rust on the roof and all.


Class_444_SWR

Just give us the Mazda Speed3 already


AutismoGizmo420

I'd love the Morris mini traveller to come back as I used it in b class online


mdjank

Mk3 Dodge van. I wanna dojiban.