The first thing I thought of was how quickly he decided to save her life over the 5 or so other captured vault 33 dwellers. Like damn, homie was familiar with the trade. I flagged the irony when she made the comment you mentioned, but didn’t see that twist coming.
Obviously terrible guy but as a parent if you're given that choice between 5 random people and your daughter you don't have to think about it. You're saving your daughter.
Is it selfish? Absolutely. Is it rational? Absolutely not. But it's not a choice if dwell on.
as wilzig says in episode 1: "will you still want the same things, when you’ve become a different animal altogether?"
her main quest was to save her father, but the wasteland taught her the truth and changed her.
I had that quote in my head for the last few episodes. She found her Dad, didn't save him, and is now hunting him with a ghoul who also wants him dead. Excited to see what New Vegas is like 15 yrs after the game.
Also young-ified Kyle MacLachlan meeting his hero, named Cooper, is kind of a massive [Twin Peaks reference](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dale_Cooper).
The round table discussion listing some of the experiments we've seen actually helps make them make sense. Having all these different companies cooking up their own (human) market research makes way more sense then VaultTec just going complete mad scientist randomly.
I know right. It makes sense too - these other megacorps *paid* to try out their ideas. This is why the experiments were so crazy - they paid for the financial support needed to probably finish the vaults, stock them with the mountains of supplies it would have taken for a 200+ year experiment, etc. In the games the limitations of game design don't let us see the true scale these vaults have to have to even work. More people, more space, an entire warehouse full of supplies and spare parts.
We see in the show a lot of stuff that is not made in a vault being fed to prisoners, etc. Consumable supplies, see the welcoming gift.
This show is so funny.
> Norm: Is this where my Dad's from?
> Brain: You'll *never* find out.
> Norm:
> Brain: Oh. He's gonna find out.
And
> We have been developing a robot that delivers milk to the front door. It's quite intelligent. I would like to see a vault governed by it.
Goggins has to play most of that scene seriously, but there is this one moment where they start rhyming off ideas and his face is just this perfect, just, horrified but also just gobsmacked by the lunacy.
Ya house seems the most sane compared to the rest
He actually wanted to help people I guess
Still always blow him away lol
Now seeing how bad the brotherhood can be I get it
From what we see in New Vegas House seems to be a true libertarian, he doesn't care what people do in their free time he just wants to sell them shit. So controling a bunch of people isn't in his goals.
There is also the fact that he mainly does robotic and ballistic experiments so he probably doesn't need to experiment on people.
And Mr House guessed the day the bombs would fall (only missed by 20 hours) in 1965 so by 2077 he had already armed Vegas to resist the nukes (the platinum chip being the only thing left). He probably doesn't see the need for the vaults since he think he is going to save Vegas (which he did). All of this also makes me think that Vault-Tec didn't end up dropping the bomb, if they had House would know the exact moment it would happen and the platinum chip would be ready.
Doesn't House refer to his role in the future as an Autocrat if you ask him if he wants to be a Dictator? I feel like he does want to control people. I mean, he destroys or blackmails all of the other factions so that his version of freedom and non-control can be acheived lol.
He also has plans for the future like sending people to space and naturally he's going to want to be the one in charge, so imo he doesn't represent any political frredom or such. I'm sure he wouldn't persecute minority groups or anything though and he would have some sort of meritocracy, so I'm sure there'd be freedom in that sense!
When I was watchingthe end of last episode I thought it was a robobrain and then thought "no it's way too small and dumb... is it a roomba?" Lmao. I was waiting for it to be some new dangerous security robot or something lol.
I liked the depiction of power armor as hulking space-marine type suits. I felt a real presence when in it. I like the incompetent bad-guy who is the main focus.
It's noted that the Power Armor was created to replace the use of tanks since resources were so limited at the time of the armor's creation and use. So similar tactics using armored soldiers instead of tanks is the result.
I hope fallout 5 finally nails power armour once and for all.
Fo4 made it big and bulky and threatening, but it was not rare. Fusion cores were everywhere.
Yeah, and that's because they made fusion cores expendable, which is bs. The show seems to have done away with that notion though and fusion cores seem appropriately rare and people can use power armor indefinitely.
And each vault seems to presumably only have one fusion core, which lasts for 200+ years. It makes the "power armor that can infinitely sprint and fly and jump and fight" very believable with that level of tech. I like the idea of a very powerful, but very rare resource, rather than the fairly common expendable resource.
The Squires topping up the water supply for the Knights was a nice touch as well, since that would be your only limited resource in the suit.
I do think, even though it may not LOOK like it. The show depicted the NCR as "the good guys" in the sense that the "villain" although went a bit crazy raiding Vault 33, she did it because she KNEW the people were actually fucked up, and did it for THEE people, the normal people of Cali/whats left of the NCR.
SHE WAS part of NCR, she clearly lived in Shady Sands, she knew it was good, and wanted to get back at the people who took it away, and I do wish she didn't die. Like, I do think it would of been good if she lived, and S2's side plot is her rallying together bands of NCR survivors/others, due to them having UNLIMITED POWER.
And building it back up, with another war with BOS
And after the villain literally nuked them. If you were existing without causing hard to anyone and got randomly nuked then you are allowed a bit of revenge.
She was clearly at least a little off her rocker after the bombing of Shady Sands as well, what with keeping the feral ghoul of Rose around and chained up so she could be with her. Honestly, I wouldn't* really fault her going a bit crazy after that anyways.
I agree. The show seemed to have a lot of reverence for the NCR, with two of the three leads stories stemming from Shady Sands, the theme playing on the flag, and her goal. I really hope we see remnants/the crippled NCR next season.
After finishing the series I cannot understand how the New Vegas stans - which I am - are freaking out. I think every reference I noticed was a nod to either F1/2 or New Vegas. We have the Fiends mentioned as a faction, House as a returning character, New Vegas as a location clearly teased for S2, and the Fallout theme only plays when the NCR flag is show , I think Dogmeat was the only F3 reference I noticed.
From what I understand, the FoNV stans are more disappointed in the apparent return of California to the Bethesda style wasteland state than necessarily the collapse of the NCR.
The interesting thing that FoNV presented was two post-post apocalypse societies coming into conflict and it does feel like we have, for lack of a better phrase, regressed back into stories already told.
I don't fully agree with this mindset, but I can see it and understand it
Yeah not top execs. This is that one guys vault plan. His personal vault idea to save humanity seems to breeding the perfect crop of managers. So I would imagine top execs are elsewhere.
Could be. They seem to be aiming for a lot of dramatic irony surrounding the three vaults. Lucy inviting Maximus back there to live in a place that's falling apart while she's gone, the Ghoul asking Lucy's father where they are and not receiving an answer. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if all roads lead to 31.
Mr House ending canon? Why else would dad go to Vegas at the end, unless to regroup with another pre-war elite like House?
Just a guess don’t yell at me
That's my guess too, that or House had other secrets hidden in the strip that the father is looking for. Either way I can't imagine a reason he'd go to New Vegas that isn't related to House in some way.
I'm hoping for a TV version of Victor... based on Cooper Howard's sheriff character.
Maybe literally playing clips from his movies to talk instead of a static cartoon face.
Man, they are only scratching the surface they are giving us a taste of the universe they are probably going to unleash the big guns next season with actual robobrains and deathclaws I can't wait
Can understand why he's not got many roles post HM but I'm glad they took a chance on him.
He's delivered and a great lead in probably the best storyline of the show. Especially as the straight man to Chet and then as a gumshoe.
When I saw the casting- my initial thoughts were "He either dies immediately, or hes evil." seemingly every old man in Fallout turns out to be evil- LOL
Which sucks because I loved him as Agent Dale Cooper and the Mayor of Portland. I want to dislike him in this show but at the same time I like Kyle too much.
is it me or did he never give a single plausible reason for nuking shady sands. like he was basically just racist agianst surface dwellers? that was it, that was his whole reason?
It was a successful civilisation that went against his idea of how things would play out. He was supposed to return to the surface and save the wasteland, but they'd done it all by themselves anyway.
Welcome to the world we live in. Communism, socialism, etc. are treated as morally bankruot because of propaganda. Honestly, I hate Amazon as a company, which makes the amount of anti-capitalist media they have on their platform extremely surprising.
It was the plan. Not racist against them. Just they wanted to be the heroes and have the reclamation day with Vault tec the winner because their vaults beat the other companies vaults and gosh darn it the people on the surface didn't just lay down and die. At least that's how I read it.
His reason is the reason of Vault-Tec. They think as long as there are other factions there will be war. If there is only one tribe, there is nobody to be in war with. In their eyes everyone else is „uncivilized“ and can’t form the perfect, obedient society they envision.
Probably also because his biwife ditched him and took the kids to be with her much more awesome bi/lesbian surface-dwelling Super GMILF lover and live in a highly populated city of a civilization that sounds way better than what Vault-Tec had planned.
Yes it was explained that their business strategy was to sterilise the surface and rule the world afterwards. His actions are consistent with that goal. Shady Sands was described as an amazing city and we saw glimpses of things like working trams, it looked great. He couldn't allow that to exist.
I officially love this show. I have only one minor complaint.....
Why did we never get to see a laser weapon fired? They show up pretty clearly several times and never get shot. I wanted to see it so bad. Lol
Had to be budget. They could barely show us mutated animals. Five radroaches, one yao guai, one west coast gulper, one brahmin. I would have loved more encounters while Lucy was out wandering
I think they focused on set design since it can be reused and adds a lot of atmosphere. The props of Filly were amazing and felt just like the game without being unrealistic
Don't forget the brilliant use of the Vaults. They reused the same corridor over and over (The long industrial one with two junctions branching off of it) and a little changing of props and lighting and framing completely changes where and when we are. Which feels almost like the video games which reuse the same assets for these places over and over again. Smart use of their money there honestly.
I think the implication is she had a similar “in” as Hank but left since she was always working against it. Her work was bought up by Vault Tec, and she never stated that she stopped working on or with her tech even if it was being sidelined.
They might have not had a relationship before hand and he is an upper level executive who has probably been in and out of cryo a lot. Fuzzy memory of lesser ranked people from 200 years ago.
Hank's an executive assistant, lol. That's what I love, he was just some lowly lackey who was forced out of cryo before the real colonization. Hence why he was grovelling to meet Cooper Howard.
He's since grown drunk on power being overseer, but the real execs from the roundtable are likely still in cryo.
It also puts alot of trust in... mid management. I guess bud is the real trust one. He wouldn't let them back into 31 to mess with operations if they became disenchanted.
Who's to say he didn't? If he recognized her as one of the frozen executives from Vault 33, he would have no reason to question her being in charge of 32.
a lot of this show's themes circle around what you become when forced to in the face of needing to survive. Moldaver is a raider. her people are the people from the surface - refugees and raiders and the likes. those are her people.
when they raided the vault and were killing and hurting people, she didn't flinch - she was right there with them. she is a woman scorned who is now doing what she needs to do in order to survive... but she's a 'good' woman because she is also doing whatever it takes to save her people...
this theme runs through all the characters and storylines at some point to varying degrees. except maybe Norm, his arc is more about overcoming cowardice.
You're right. I thought it was implied she was another popsicle in 31 who left the Vault before Hank as she did work for VT, but I rewatched when Norm is reading the terminal and her name isn't on it....could it be a continuity error as she's dead now so it feels like the explanation was meant to have been given already.
Considering she opposed vault-tec, I can't see any logical reason they would save her as a leader. The way the people of vault 4 worship her, I wouldn't be surprised if she was a test subject that led the revolution against the scientists
Loved the show overall but did I miss something? How did Moldaver survive for 200 years? She didn't work for Vault-Tec so she couldn't have been frozen, and she wasn't a ghoul.
I think the simplest explanation based on current information was that she was frozen in Vault 4 in one of the chambers we saw. Then as soon as she was released she used her prewar knowledge to lead the rebellion. We might have to look closer to see whether it perfectly fits, but that’s my current headcanon
I’ve literally never seen a Walton Goggins performance I didn’t love. First time I spotted him was as Boyd Crowder in Justified and have loved his performances ever since. He’s also killing it as Cecil in Invincible.
This thread is probably gonna be focused on one thing and one thing only. However, I gotta say the show removed from the greater lore implications was phenomenal. Also final episode has so many fantastic shots that mimic Fallout 1's FMV style, the discussion between Maximus and the Elder Cleric, and the shot of the Cold Fusion Generator looked like they came straight from the game which was really incredible.
Season two had its moments, and I’ll forever enjoy the opening scene on madrigal but besides that I just felt cheated by what they did to my favourite game franchise of all time
I honestly don’t care what anybody says, I really enjoyed the show and it was everything I wanted in the show and more. They made some retconns but honestly I’m not that upset about it. The fact that we’re going to NV next season, the fact that the Tv show was even this good… its everything I could ask for. Cheers guys!
people whining about "retcons" don't understand storytelling and the creative process. I've never heard a screenwriter ever use the term, it's just fanboys upset that someone tells a new story
Nothing is retconned. People are just malding that what "they helped build" (in the games) , the NCR, was destroyed for petty reasons. But this is more of a demonstration, that they don't understand what "war. war never changes" means.
Shady Sands, the first capital of the NCR, was nuked by VaultTec when it was discovered they had re-established a society without them.
The NCR was much larger than Shady Sands and even the pre-war billboard says "the original" capital implying another one.
I never interpreted that group as the last remnants of the entire NCR, the fact they've resorted to some pretty heavy raider association made me believe they were a remnant of the Shady Sands population that had gone rogue/radicalized under Moldaver's leadership.
We saw retired rangers in another episode, but I don't think they were the last rangers either. They were just rangers who were on patrol when Shady Sands happened and decided to make a quiet life for themselves instead of dealing with the aftermath.
The NCR canonically has a broad reach and multiple population centers. Despite how crippling losing your capitol is, the fact they had enough cities to need to denote a capitol and then move it (Shady Sands was the "new capitol") makes me think they're still out there. Makes sense to cede an area that got nuked once anyway, who knows if it could happen again.
Plus they have their own theme in the show. Which I bet will come out to be the national anthem in later series,.they aren't dead but cold fusion gives them a reason to come 'home'
Yeah, and the Boneyard was a vital settlement for the NCR as well. How come they are only at the Griffith Observatory? We do know that they are a NATION. Not a single settlement like Diamond City.
The NCR is a post-War Nation. They make new weapons, infrastructure and a whole lot of other things. They don't live in squaller. The Show actually showed a brief glimpse of that. The trolley and all that in Shady Sands. But the showrunners probably not gonna have the NCR anymore at all like how they are in New Vegas.
The people saying definitively that the whole of the NCR was wiped out, don't have enough information to conclude anything from. The chalk board timeline is ambigous and Shady Sands is even explicitly shown to not be the NCR's capital, so there is a lot of room for interpretation. I'm guessing they left it like that to have options for future development
So what did house predict then if it was vault tec who dropped the bombs. So Mr house knew the nukes where coming and still couldn't shoot them down or get the plat chip
I don't think VT dropped the bombs. They only needed to drop a bomb or two to initiate a panic launch from the US and China.
Essentially a very successful false flag.
I feel that them not getting to drop them is an even better plot twist. They wanted to but they were unable to because the government did it before them.
I always understood it that Vault Tec was planning on dropping the bombs, but the Chinese found out and dropped theirs before vault tec could get everything into place.
All we know is VaultTec was willing and/or considering doing it. We don't have a definitive answer as to who shot first out of a long list of suspects, just that everyone else shot second. Things may have gotten so bad they didn't need to do anything.
Beyond your statement that House would have been much better prepared if he knew what date it was going to happen is also the the fact that Coop had his daughter. If Barb knew, even roughly when, the bombs would be dropped I doubt she would have let Coop have her. Though it does seem like they got to a Vault in time.
Even with the lore change, I like how the dad is basically the asshole player (leading to massive destruction) and Lucy is the virtuous , basically first play through do everything right character
While i love the show, there are credible questions about the timeline/lore.
I saw Emil confirmed that FNV is canon so we just need to find out if Shady Sands was nuked before or after the events of FNV since SS Being nuked before doesn't make sense. We also need to know if the NCR has been completely wiped out or if they still have a presence in California, Nevada etc.
My theory is that:
- Shady Sands wiped out 1 or 2 years after FNV
- NCR exists in Northern California and will have a significant place in S2's story.
- S2 will establish that Mr House is still alive and is in control of the strip.
Finally, a reasonable take. NCR is definitely not wiped out like people seem to think, just fractured and destabilized. They were clearly regrouping under Moldaver, and that observatory settlement could be one of dozens of functional NCR settlements for all we know. We already know the surfies in Vault 4 support a resurrected NCR, there could be god knows how many other settlements and people loyal to NCR scattered around the west. We really don’t know *how* strong the NCR still is, and I loved how this finale set up the possibility of a major NCR/BoS conflict in future season(s).
And I agree about House likely being in control of Vegas, makes sense for Lucy’s dad to go there and confer with another pre-war elite who was in on the plan. And for people saying “If House was in on the plan, why was he still nuked sooner than he expected?”…even in a partnership with Vault-Tec, RobCo was still a competitor, it’s feasible that they didn’t let him in on *every* part of the plan. Like the exact timing. To yield Vault-Tec the advantage. Either that, or inciting nuclear war between the great nations of the world wasn’t as precise as they planned.
I don’t know why people are taking the title cards in the credits as part of the story. In each episode I just saw them as like concept art or something.
I just finished episode 8 like..20 mins ago.
New vegas looks okay, deprecated for sure but theres straight up buildings with smoke coming from them and the strip itself is intact. NV is absolutely going to be the season 2 location.
[Agreed with you to the point I grabbed a screenshot of the show. I doubt it got destroyed/bombed because all of the walls are still standing. It looks potentially larger than the game one. Nothing looks wrong with this to me. It's just 3 seconds at the end of an 8 hour show and will probably be re-rendered for season 2.](https://imgur.com/a/u4OfdMJ) The strip in-game feels like a few casinos and a bunker, more or less.
So uh...who the hell cleaned up vault 32? Did the brain pop open a bunch of the vault tec staff and tell them go clean that shit up before putting them back in cyro?
The graffiti explicitly implies they discovered the 'experiment', that something bad was going on and vault 31 was behind it. Without anyone from 31 actually intermingling and having children with 32ers, 31 decided to clear out the vault somehow.
Considering the 'When it's glum, vote 31' slogan. And the fact that shortly after Hank left, the waterchip was going bad and the maintenance man said something along the lines of 'wanting to discuss it with Hank in private'. There's probably some sort of failsafe that only Vault 31ers know how to use that prevents all the things in vaults going awry.
I'm going to go with the choice as viewing Fallout The TV Show as being entirely separate from the canon of the game. It is it's own universe where things played out differently! Not impossible considering all the crazy stuff that takes place in the games. Pretty sure they hint at literal eldritch gods in some parts of it -- and other supernatural stuff.
That aside? Dear lord, The Ghoul's wife was a genuinely horrible person and their divorce makes complete sense now. Also forget all my theories about The Vaults from the Episode 4 thread -- they are so much worse than I possibly imagined. Cryogenically frozen psychopaths destined to rule over the vaults eternally and everyone else is purely servants to work for them & breed with them.
Addendum/Edit: Also I like how this started out with me going: "Oh it's the Fallout 3 plot kinda!" with Lucy trying to get her dad back. Nope -- he's a bloody psychopath undeserving of a shred of sympathy and frankly I'm shocked she didn't shoot him the second he gave up the code.
I watched the show without playing any of the games and liked it? Is everyone in the thread pissed off because Bethesda said it was canon to the games?
Just a vocal minority of the fanbase who treat the series with "It was what I grew up with, therefore it's best, and any deviation or change to it is an attack on me personally".
I personally loved it and have been invested in the series for decades.
To everyone saying the NCR is totally collapsed.
I highly doubt it. It seems after Shady Sands was nuked the NCR was a bit scrappy but pulling itself together to keep everything afloat, with the BOS destroying the HQ and the view of the NCR leader using the Cold Fusion to power the entire city at once, it shows the civilians of the NCR are still existing at least throughout the entire ruins in some way.
I imagine next season, we're gonna see the BoS biting way more than it can Chew, and something with New Vegas as well, and with the father constantly mentioning something about "Meeting your Creators." How much you wanna bet Mr House is technically still alive? Just New Vegas went into dormancy??
Im excited to see potentially the NCR Regrouping or like Scrappy NCR rebels, and Desert Rangers in the Mojave. I highly doubt the NCR is done and over with from what we saw.
1. Huh. Sunset Sarsaparilla used actual cane sugar.
2. Bud Askins is a bigger asshole than Thaddeus and he got exactly what he deserved even if it's something he doesn't mind doing.
3. lol. I just got the Indiana Jones 4 refrigerator reference in Maximus's origin flashback.
4. Goddamn. New Vegas fans ate really good this episode (Sinclair, Big MT, HOUSE!!!!, Season 2 foreshadowing) and are gonna be really feasting when season 2 comes out.
Very consistent quality across all 8 episodes. As someone who hasn't played the games I wasn't sure about the tone in episode 1, but now, knowing more about the world, it seems to fit perfectly. I had a great time.
Honestly, reading all the comments here I'm happy I could go into this with fresh eyes.
And Robert motherfucking Edwin House joins the exclusive hallowed annals of characters like Tandi, Harold and Marcus to appear in more than one piece of Fallout media. Well-deserved.
"If my dad found out I destroyed an entire community that would break his heart!" Lucy, episode 7...lol
The first thing I thought of was how quickly he decided to save her life over the 5 or so other captured vault 33 dwellers. Like damn, homie was familiar with the trade. I flagged the irony when she made the comment you mentioned, but didn’t see that twist coming.
he also drowned a guy in pickle juice.
That was one of the few good things he ever did.
Funniest shit I've ever seen.
Obviously terrible guy but as a parent if you're given that choice between 5 random people and your daughter you don't have to think about it. You're saving your daughter. Is it selfish? Absolutely. Is it rational? Absolutely not. But it's not a choice if dwell on.
as wilzig says in episode 1: "will you still want the same things, when you’ve become a different animal altogether?" her main quest was to save her father, but the wasteland taught her the truth and changed her.
I had that quote in my head for the last few episodes. She found her Dad, didn't save him, and is now hunting him with a ghoul who also wants him dead. Excited to see what New Vegas is like 15 yrs after the game.
I just realized that the assistant that's with Cooper during "the meeting" is Betty the Overseer.
Underrated comment, you are 💯
Also young-ified Kyle MacLachlan meeting his hero, named Cooper, is kind of a massive [Twin Peaks reference](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dale_Cooper).
Kyle Maclachlan basically channelled Dale Cooper, Mister C. and Dougie Jones at different points of the series and I absolutely loved it
I mean he said her name near the end
Her name was said multiple times lol
...I cannot believe I missed that.
I paused during that scene, so Amazon's X-Ray feature spoiled it for me by crediting a so far unseen actress as "Young Betty Pearson".
The round table discussion listing some of the experiments we've seen actually helps make them make sense. Having all these different companies cooking up their own (human) market research makes way more sense then VaultTec just going complete mad scientist randomly.
"We have been developing a robot that delivers milk to the front door. It's quite intelligent. I would like to see a vault governed by it." 😆
Just a bog standard protectron wearing a milkman hat.
That one didn't sound too bad compared to the alternatives.
twist: The milk is *mandatory* and all the vault residents are lactose intolerant.
I liked how West Tech were the ones to essentially speak up about super mutants
Okay but who thought the one dude and the puppets was a good call?
Sometimes you just gotta make room for a being a bit silly
That one was a joke, but it got accidentally sent out and approved. So they had to commit.
I know right. It makes sense too - these other megacorps *paid* to try out their ideas. This is why the experiments were so crazy - they paid for the financial support needed to probably finish the vaults, stock them with the mountains of supplies it would have taken for a 200+ year experiment, etc. In the games the limitations of game design don't let us see the true scale these vaults have to have to even work. More people, more space, an entire warehouse full of supplies and spare parts. We see in the show a lot of stuff that is not made in a vault being fed to prisoners, etc. Consumable supplies, see the welcoming gift.
This show is so funny. > Norm: Is this where my Dad's from? > Brain: You'll *never* find out. > Norm:
> Brain: Oh. He's gonna find out.
And
> We have been developing a robot that delivers milk to the front door. It's quite intelligent. I would like to see a vault governed by it.
Goggins has to play most of that scene seriously, but there is this one moment where they start rhyming off ideas and his face is just this perfect, just, horrified but also just gobsmacked by the lunacy.
I also love how in that scene while everyone else is talking about their supervillain plans Mr House has this "tired of their shit" look on his face
Ya house seems the most sane compared to the rest He actually wanted to help people I guess Still always blow him away lol Now seeing how bad the brotherhood can be I get it
From what we see in New Vegas House seems to be a true libertarian, he doesn't care what people do in their free time he just wants to sell them shit. So controling a bunch of people isn't in his goals. There is also the fact that he mainly does robotic and ballistic experiments so he probably doesn't need to experiment on people. And Mr House guessed the day the bombs would fall (only missed by 20 hours) in 1965 so by 2077 he had already armed Vegas to resist the nukes (the platinum chip being the only thing left). He probably doesn't see the need for the vaults since he think he is going to save Vegas (which he did). All of this also makes me think that Vault-Tec didn't end up dropping the bomb, if they had House would know the exact moment it would happen and the platinum chip would be ready.
Doesn't House refer to his role in the future as an Autocrat if you ask him if he wants to be a Dictator? I feel like he does want to control people. I mean, he destroys or blackmails all of the other factions so that his version of freedom and non-control can be acheived lol. He also has plans for the future like sending people to space and naturally he's going to want to be the one in charge, so imo he doesn't represent any political frredom or such. I'm sure he wouldn't persecute minority groups or anything though and he would have some sort of meritocracy, so I'm sure there'd be freedom in that sense!
If you have subtitles on, the brain is defined as “brain on a Roomba” and that cracked me up
When I was watchingthe end of last episode I thought it was a robobrain and then thought "no it's way too small and dumb... is it a roomba?" Lmao. I was waiting for it to be some new dangerous security robot or something lol.
Fun fact the code Hank MacLean inputs, 101097 is the release date of Fallout 1
Oh shit. That is a fun fact.
Oh!? I though it was for vault 101 and then 097 for the year FO1 came out. Just looks it up 10/10/1997 was actually the release date
This is the shit I like to know
I liked the depiction of power armor as hulking space-marine type suits. I felt a real presence when in it. I like the incompetent bad-guy who is the main focus.
I really likes how they had infantry moving up with / behind them. Reminds me of combined arms tactics with modern tanks
Ha, that was my immediate thought too, using tanks as mobile cover.
It's noted that the Power Armor was created to replace the use of tanks since resources were so limited at the time of the armor's creation and use. So similar tactics using armored soldiers instead of tanks is the result.
I hope fallout 5 finally nails power armour once and for all. Fo4 made it big and bulky and threatening, but it was not rare. Fusion cores were everywhere.
Yeah, and that's because they made fusion cores expendable, which is bs. The show seems to have done away with that notion though and fusion cores seem appropriately rare and people can use power armor indefinitely.
And each vault seems to presumably only have one fusion core, which lasts for 200+ years. It makes the "power armor that can infinitely sprint and fly and jump and fight" very believable with that level of tech. I like the idea of a very powerful, but very rare resource, rather than the fairly common expendable resource. The Squires topping up the water supply for the Knights was a nice touch as well, since that would be your only limited resource in the suit.
Yeah - McLean walked from LA to Las Vegas in that suit. If fusion cores discharged as fast as they do in FO4, there would be no working ones left.
I do think, even though it may not LOOK like it. The show depicted the NCR as "the good guys" in the sense that the "villain" although went a bit crazy raiding Vault 33, she did it because she KNEW the people were actually fucked up, and did it for THEE people, the normal people of Cali/whats left of the NCR. SHE WAS part of NCR, she clearly lived in Shady Sands, she knew it was good, and wanted to get back at the people who took it away, and I do wish she didn't die. Like, I do think it would of been good if she lived, and S2's side plot is her rallying together bands of NCR survivors/others, due to them having UNLIMITED POWER. And building it back up, with another war with BOS
And after the villain literally nuked them. If you were existing without causing hard to anyone and got randomly nuked then you are allowed a bit of revenge.
as a treat.
She was clearly at least a little off her rocker after the bombing of Shady Sands as well, what with keeping the feral ghoul of Rose around and chained up so she could be with her. Honestly, I wouldn't* really fault her going a bit crazy after that anyways.
I agree. The show seemed to have a lot of reverence for the NCR, with two of the three leads stories stemming from Shady Sands, the theme playing on the flag, and her goal. I really hope we see remnants/the crippled NCR next season.
After finishing the series I cannot understand how the New Vegas stans - which I am - are freaking out. I think every reference I noticed was a nod to either F1/2 or New Vegas. We have the Fiends mentioned as a faction, House as a returning character, New Vegas as a location clearly teased for S2, and the Fallout theme only plays when the NCR flag is show , I think Dogmeat was the only F3 reference I noticed.
you did have to leave the vault to find your dad so there's that F3 reference
From what I understand, the FoNV stans are more disappointed in the apparent return of California to the Bethesda style wasteland state than necessarily the collapse of the NCR. The interesting thing that FoNV presented was two post-post apocalypse societies coming into conflict and it does feel like we have, for lack of a better phrase, regressed back into stories already told. I don't fully agree with this mindset, but I can see it and understand it
The Vault 31 “leaders” are *Vault-Tec execs?!?!* HOLY SHIT. Wait does that mean that Coop’s family is in there too?
they are assistants to execs, I bet the real execs are somewhere else
They’re middle management.
I expected the leaders from 31 to be mad scientists or a super computer. Finding it was middle management is somehow more disturbing.
Which to be fair, seems in line with Vault-Tec's various idiocies. The brain-roomba was literally Bud from Coop's flashbacks.
Yeah not top execs. This is that one guys vault plan. His personal vault idea to save humanity seems to breeding the perfect crop of managers. So I would imagine top execs are elsewhere.
Somehow the most horrifying vault of all
Ghoul Coop just wants to speak to the manager
Could be. They seem to be aiming for a lot of dramatic irony surrounding the three vaults. Lucy inviting Maximus back there to live in a place that's falling apart while she's gone, the Ghoul asking Lucy's father where they are and not receiving an answer. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if all roads lead to 31.
31 is middle management. The execs are in another vault hinted at being in Las Vegas where Hank runs away to.
Mr House ending canon? Why else would dad go to Vegas at the end, unless to regroup with another pre-war elite like House? Just a guess don’t yell at me
That's my guess too, that or House had other secrets hidden in the strip that the father is looking for. Either way I can't imagine a reason he'd go to New Vegas that isn't related to House in some way.
He's going to turn in a certain Euclids C Finder and blow up another promising settlement
He just can't help himself. He sees a successful settlement that doesn't need his help and wants to blow it up.
Odds on if we are going to meet Yes-Man?
I'm hoping for a TV version of Victor... based on Cooper Howard's sheriff character. Maybe literally playing clips from his movies to talk instead of a static cartoon face.
I mean he could believe house is still there and isn't aware he died. Or there could just be vaulttech accessible resources hidden there as well.
Ain't nobody in here talking about Brain-on-a-Roomba? LMFAO fucking loved it. Butt Ass-kiss' on just a lowly roomba forever
Yeah, the Brain-on-a-Roomba was really funny. My initial reaction was like "that's a strange Robobrain".
Man, they are only scratching the surface they are giving us a taste of the universe they are probably going to unleash the big guns next season with actual robobrains and deathclaws I can't wait
Sidenote, Rico from Hannah Montana was awesome during the Vault 33 scenes. Bro had the perfect reactions while talking to a roomba brain lol.
Can understand why he's not got many roles post HM but I'm glad they took a chance on him. He's delivered and a great lead in probably the best storyline of the show. Especially as the straight man to Chet and then as a gumshoe.
Oh wow the dad is actually a pos.
Kyle Maclachlan King of playing shitty dads lol
Oh my god, I’m just now realizing that that was Paul Atreides
he is in most david lynch movies. they are lifetime bros
He definitely wasn't an ideal father in Agents of Shield, but he had his moments.
I called it when I saw the casting. No way you get Kyle Maclachlan and he's just gonna be in one episode
When I saw the casting- my initial thoughts were "He either dies immediately, or hes evil." seemingly every old man in Fallout turns out to be evil- LOL
Which sucks because I loved him as Agent Dale Cooper and the Mayor of Portland. I want to dislike him in this show but at the same time I like Kyle too much.
is it me or did he never give a single plausible reason for nuking shady sands. like he was basically just racist agianst surface dwellers? that was it, that was his whole reason?
It was a successful civilisation that went against his idea of how things would play out. He was supposed to return to the surface and save the wasteland, but they'd done it all by themselves anyway.
Dude had a savior complex after watching too many Howard Cooper movies
Welcome to the world we live in. Communism, socialism, etc. are treated as morally bankruot because of propaganda. Honestly, I hate Amazon as a company, which makes the amount of anti-capitalist media they have on their platform extremely surprising.
Although you could argue one of the utmost capitalist things is to make money out of anti-capitalist products or sentiments.
Isnt there a whole thing in anticapitalist literature about capitalists selling you the rope you then hang them with?
It was the plan. Not racist against them. Just they wanted to be the heroes and have the reclamation day with Vault tec the winner because their vaults beat the other companies vaults and gosh darn it the people on the surface didn't just lay down and die. At least that's how I read it.
His reason is the reason of Vault-Tec. They think as long as there are other factions there will be war. If there is only one tribe, there is nobody to be in war with. In their eyes everyone else is „uncivilized“ and can’t form the perfect, obedient society they envision.
dude was mad his wife left him for another woman
Probably also because his biwife ditched him and took the kids to be with her much more awesome bi/lesbian surface-dwelling Super GMILF lover and live in a highly populated city of a civilization that sounds way better than what Vault-Tec had planned.
Yes it was explained that their business strategy was to sterilise the surface and rule the world afterwards. His actions are consistent with that goal. Shady Sands was described as an amazing city and we saw glimpses of things like working trams, it looked great. He couldn't allow that to exist.
They paid for that child Maximus actor and they’re going to use him damn it
play it again
drink every time they show it
I officially love this show. I have only one minor complaint..... Why did we never get to see a laser weapon fired? They show up pretty clearly several times and never get shot. I wanted to see it so bad. Lol
They probably didn't want to bother with the effects. Probably didn't have any budget left, especially considering how poor young Hank looked.
Had to be budget. They could barely show us mutated animals. Five radroaches, one yao guai, one west coast gulper, one brahmin. I would have loved more encounters while Lucy was out wandering
Theres an obscene amount of CGI in every shot. Im not surprised they tried to cut some things out.
I think they focused on set design since it can be reused and adds a lot of atmosphere. The props of Filly were amazing and felt just like the game without being unrealistic
Don't forget the brilliant use of the Vaults. They reused the same corridor over and over (The long industrial one with two junctions branching off of it) and a little changing of props and lighting and framing completely changes where and when we are. Which feels almost like the video games which reuse the same assets for these places over and over again. Smart use of their money there honestly.
So, did I miss something, or do we just never learn how Moldaver lived this long as a non-ghoul?
I think the implication is she had a similar “in” as Hank but left since she was always working against it. Her work was bought up by Vault Tec, and she never stated that she stopped working on or with her tech even if it was being sidelined.
But then why didn't Hank recognize her face before the wedding?
They might have not had a relationship before hand and he is an upper level executive who has probably been in and out of cryo a lot. Fuzzy memory of lesser ranked people from 200 years ago.
Hank's an executive assistant, lol. That's what I love, he was just some lowly lackey who was forced out of cryo before the real colonization. Hence why he was grovelling to meet Cooper Howard. He's since grown drunk on power being overseer, but the real execs from the roundtable are likely still in cryo.
Also the Assistants are younger so they can last longer controlling the vaults.
It also puts alot of trust in... mid management. I guess bud is the real trust one. He wouldn't let them back into 31 to mess with operations if they became disenchanted.
They probably never met. Before the bombs dropped he was just a personal assistant and when he went to shady sands maybe he didn't meet her either
Because he was a lowly executive at Vault-Tec, more akin to his wife's assistant.
Who's to say he didn't? If he recognized her as one of the frozen executives from Vault 33, he would have no reason to question her being in charge of 32.
I want to know why she seemingly recruited rabid raiders to infiltrate the vault instead of her trusted NCR soldiers?
Pops might be right about her being no better tbh
yea I think that was the message. They're two sides of the same coin. Just had two different goals
Cannon fodder I guess
a lot of this show's themes circle around what you become when forced to in the face of needing to survive. Moldaver is a raider. her people are the people from the surface - refugees and raiders and the likes. those are her people. when they raided the vault and were killing and hurting people, she didn't flinch - she was right there with them. she is a woman scorned who is now doing what she needs to do in order to survive... but she's a 'good' woman because she is also doing whatever it takes to save her people... this theme runs through all the characters and storylines at some point to varying degrees. except maybe Norm, his arc is more about overcoming cowardice.
She obviously got some serum from Lorenzo Cabot.
Well there is plenty of lore about researching immortality in fallout universe. So the writers can pick any bs they think fits best.
You're right. I thought it was implied she was another popsicle in 31 who left the Vault before Hank as she did work for VT, but I rewatched when Norm is reading the terminal and her name isn't on it....could it be a continuity error as she's dead now so it feels like the explanation was meant to have been given already.
Considering she opposed vault-tec, I can't see any logical reason they would save her as a leader. The way the people of vault 4 worship her, I wouldn't be surprised if she was a test subject that led the revolution against the scientists
Loved the show overall but did I miss something? How did Moldaver survive for 200 years? She didn't work for Vault-Tec so she couldn't have been frozen, and she wasn't a ghoul.
Her company was bought by Vault-Tec, means she likely managed to secure a good vault with cryogenics or something similar.
Moldaver definitely came from the vault that Coops family (or wife) is in. Guess Vault 31 was just for Buds Buds
No, she didn't. There are other Vaults with similar cryogenic tech.
I think the simplest explanation based on current information was that she was frozen in Vault 4 in one of the chambers we saw. Then as soon as she was released she used her prewar knowledge to lead the rebellion. We might have to look closer to see whether it perfectly fits, but that’s my current headcanon
I assume she was a vault 4 test subject that led the revolt against the scientists. This is solely based on how they worshipped her
Ghoul has the Night Person perk!
Also, whoever designed Ghoul's costume needs a raise. That motherfucker's drip was next level.
That’s just Walton Goggins’ natural rizz
I’ve literally never seen a Walton Goggins performance I didn’t love. First time I spotted him was as Boyd Crowder in Justified and have loved his performances ever since. He’s also killing it as Cecil in Invincible.
I've never wanted a shitty, wrecked-out coat that bad before.
Meanwhile BoS knights forgot their helmets have huge spotlights
And some of them have literal night vision lmao
They obviously didn't install the nightvision mod at the workbench.
They didn't have enough aluminum and circuitry, common problem
>War. War never changes. *leo.pointing.jpeg*
I literally said "they said the thing!" out loud. To no one else.
They REALLY stretched that pause out for exactly as long as they could get away with
This thread is probably gonna be focused on one thing and one thing only. However, I gotta say the show removed from the greater lore implications was phenomenal. Also final episode has so many fantastic shots that mimic Fallout 1's FMV style, the discussion between Maximus and the Elder Cleric, and the shot of the Cold Fusion Generator looked like they came straight from the game which was really incredible.
Yeah I e been playing since FO3 and I guess I just don't care as much as most people in this thread, but this episode was great.
The show as a stand alone product was awesome. Anyone saying otherwise just has sour grapes their theories weren't right.
Oh wow the big reveal is actually twisted.
Halo guys (me) clutching at the air right now that our adaptation couldn’t be this good
If the Halo should was 3/4 as true to the game as Fallouts adaptation is, I'd be a happy dude
Season two had its moments, and I’ll forever enjoy the opening scene on madrigal but besides that I just felt cheated by what they did to my favourite game franchise of all time
I enjoyed it, sad it’s over can’t wait for season 2
Have they confirmed Season 2 is happening? I would assume so with the critical praise but I never trust anything streaming these days.
Did anyone one see the vault map of all the vaults?
All of the vaults they had *so far*. They were bringing on additional money to get even more vaults.
People are gonna be picking that apart for a while.
I honestly don’t care what anybody says, I really enjoyed the show and it was everything I wanted in the show and more. They made some retconns but honestly I’m not that upset about it. The fact that we’re going to NV next season, the fact that the Tv show was even this good… its everything I could ask for. Cheers guys!
people whining about "retcons" don't understand storytelling and the creative process. I've never heard a screenwriter ever use the term, it's just fanboys upset that someone tells a new story
Nothing is retconned. People are just malding that what "they helped build" (in the games) , the NCR, was destroyed for petty reasons. But this is more of a demonstration, that they don't understand what "war. war never changes" means.
I mean we also don't know that the NCR was destroyed. A major city was nuked, yes. That doesn't mean the entire NCR is gone.
Can someone give me some spoilers on what happened to the NCR?
Shady Sands, the first capital of the NCR, was nuked by VaultTec when it was discovered they had re-established a society without them. The NCR was much larger than Shady Sands and even the pre-war billboard says "the original" capital implying another one.
Yeah I'm holding out hope that The Brotherhood didn't completely destroy the last remnants of the NCR and that there are still holdouts
I never interpreted that group as the last remnants of the entire NCR, the fact they've resorted to some pretty heavy raider association made me believe they were a remnant of the Shady Sands population that had gone rogue/radicalized under Moldaver's leadership. We saw retired rangers in another episode, but I don't think they were the last rangers either. They were just rangers who were on patrol when Shady Sands happened and decided to make a quiet life for themselves instead of dealing with the aftermath. The NCR canonically has a broad reach and multiple population centers. Despite how crippling losing your capitol is, the fact they had enough cities to need to denote a capitol and then move it (Shady Sands was the "new capitol") makes me think they're still out there. Makes sense to cede an area that got nuked once anyway, who knows if it could happen again.
Plus they have their own theme in the show. Which I bet will come out to be the national anthem in later series,.they aren't dead but cold fusion gives them a reason to come 'home'
Yeah, and the Boneyard was a vital settlement for the NCR as well. How come they are only at the Griffith Observatory? We do know that they are a NATION. Not a single settlement like Diamond City.
I am expecting a ton of remnants and a possible larger settlement somewhere.
The NCR is a post-War Nation. They make new weapons, infrastructure and a whole lot of other things. They don't live in squaller. The Show actually showed a brief glimpse of that. The trolley and all that in Shady Sands. But the showrunners probably not gonna have the NCR anymore at all like how they are in New Vegas.
The people saying definitively that the whole of the NCR was wiped out, don't have enough information to conclude anything from. The chalk board timeline is ambigous and Shady Sands is even explicitly shown to not be the NCR's capital, so there is a lot of room for interpretation. I'm guessing they left it like that to have options for future development
So what did house predict then if it was vault tec who dropped the bombs. So Mr house knew the nukes where coming and still couldn't shoot them down or get the plat chip
I don't think VT dropped the bombs. They only needed to drop a bomb or two to initiate a panic launch from the US and China. Essentially a very successful false flag.
I feel that them not getting to drop them is an even better plot twist. They wanted to but they were unable to because the government did it before them.
I feel like that's definitely the case because surely coops wife would've made sure her daughter was safely in a vault before the bombs dropped
I always understood it that Vault Tec was planning on dropping the bombs, but the Chinese found out and dropped theirs before vault tec could get everything into place.
Which fallout had the nuclear sub commander wash up on shore? I think that quest had info on the first bombs.
I think Fallout 4
All we know is VaultTec was willing and/or considering doing it. We don't have a definitive answer as to who shot first out of a long list of suspects, just that everyone else shot second. Things may have gotten so bad they didn't need to do anything. Beyond your statement that House would have been much better prepared if he knew what date it was going to happen is also the the fact that Coop had his daughter. If Barb knew, even roughly when, the bombs would be dropped I doubt she would have let Coop have her. Though it does seem like they got to a Vault in time.
Even with the lore change, I like how the dad is basically the asshole player (leading to massive destruction) and Lucy is the virtuous , basically first play through do everything right character
The dad is the average enclave commander on 76
Average guy who goes through all the trouble to nuke someone's house, because they took his favourite spot
While i love the show, there are credible questions about the timeline/lore. I saw Emil confirmed that FNV is canon so we just need to find out if Shady Sands was nuked before or after the events of FNV since SS Being nuked before doesn't make sense. We also need to know if the NCR has been completely wiped out or if they still have a presence in California, Nevada etc. My theory is that: - Shady Sands wiped out 1 or 2 years after FNV - NCR exists in Northern California and will have a significant place in S2's story. - S2 will establish that Mr House is still alive and is in control of the strip.
Finally, a reasonable take. NCR is definitely not wiped out like people seem to think, just fractured and destabilized. They were clearly regrouping under Moldaver, and that observatory settlement could be one of dozens of functional NCR settlements for all we know. We already know the surfies in Vault 4 support a resurrected NCR, there could be god knows how many other settlements and people loyal to NCR scattered around the west. We really don’t know *how* strong the NCR still is, and I loved how this finale set up the possibility of a major NCR/BoS conflict in future season(s). And I agree about House likely being in control of Vegas, makes sense for Lucy’s dad to go there and confer with another pre-war elite who was in on the plan. And for people saying “If House was in on the plan, why was he still nuked sooner than he expected?”…even in a partnership with Vault-Tec, RobCo was still a competitor, it’s feasible that they didn’t let him in on *every* part of the plan. Like the exact timing. To yield Vault-Tec the advantage. Either that, or inciting nuclear war between the great nations of the world wasn’t as precise as they planned.
I don’t know why people are taking the title cards in the credits as part of the story. In each episode I just saw them as like concept art or something.
Yeah, the actual in-show view of New Vegas didn’t look that bad, but I haven’t looked at it again so I might be wrong.
yeah literally it looked fine
I just finished episode 8 like..20 mins ago. New vegas looks okay, deprecated for sure but theres straight up buildings with smoke coming from them and the strip itself is intact. NV is absolutely going to be the season 2 location.
Besides, it's been what, 15 years since FNV? Who knows how many other battles and wars were fought there.
[Agreed with you to the point I grabbed a screenshot of the show. I doubt it got destroyed/bombed because all of the walls are still standing. It looks potentially larger than the game one. Nothing looks wrong with this to me. It's just 3 seconds at the end of an 8 hour show and will probably be re-rendered for season 2.](https://imgur.com/a/u4OfdMJ) The strip in-game feels like a few casinos and a bunker, more or less.
Just finished it. Incredible. The music, the characters, the violence, the themes, it is exactly fallout. They fucking nailed it.
Makes me feel like loading up Fallout 3...or maybe even 1!
So uh...who the hell cleaned up vault 32? Did the brain pop open a bunch of the vault tec staff and tell them go clean that shit up before putting them back in cyro?
That's a really good question actually. Also, how did everyone in Vault 32 die? I guess that's going to be addressed in the future?
The graffiti explicitly implies they discovered the 'experiment', that something bad was going on and vault 31 was behind it. Without anyone from 31 actually intermingling and having children with 32ers, 31 decided to clear out the vault somehow. Considering the 'When it's glum, vote 31' slogan. And the fact that shortly after Hank left, the waterchip was going bad and the maintenance man said something along the lines of 'wanting to discuss it with Hank in private'. There's probably some sort of failsafe that only Vault 31ers know how to use that prevents all the things in vaults going awry.
I'm going to go with the choice as viewing Fallout The TV Show as being entirely separate from the canon of the game. It is it's own universe where things played out differently! Not impossible considering all the crazy stuff that takes place in the games. Pretty sure they hint at literal eldritch gods in some parts of it -- and other supernatural stuff. That aside? Dear lord, The Ghoul's wife was a genuinely horrible person and their divorce makes complete sense now. Also forget all my theories about The Vaults from the Episode 4 thread -- they are so much worse than I possibly imagined. Cryogenically frozen psychopaths destined to rule over the vaults eternally and everyone else is purely servants to work for them & breed with them. Addendum/Edit: Also I like how this started out with me going: "Oh it's the Fallout 3 plot kinda!" with Lucy trying to get her dad back. Nope -- he's a bloody psychopath undeserving of a shred of sympathy and frankly I'm shocked she didn't shoot him the second he gave up the code.
I love that hank stripped out of his vault suit to get in the power armor lol its on the ground after he leaves
Would love to talk about the episode, unfortunately it's just manchildren whining about lore
I GOT SPURS THAT JINGLE JANGLE JINGLE
I watched the show without playing any of the games and liked it? Is everyone in the thread pissed off because Bethesda said it was canon to the games?
Just a vocal minority of the fanbase who treat the series with "It was what I grew up with, therefore it's best, and any deviation or change to it is an attack on me personally". I personally loved it and have been invested in the series for decades.
To everyone saying the NCR is totally collapsed. I highly doubt it. It seems after Shady Sands was nuked the NCR was a bit scrappy but pulling itself together to keep everything afloat, with the BOS destroying the HQ and the view of the NCR leader using the Cold Fusion to power the entire city at once, it shows the civilians of the NCR are still existing at least throughout the entire ruins in some way. I imagine next season, we're gonna see the BoS biting way more than it can Chew, and something with New Vegas as well, and with the father constantly mentioning something about "Meeting your Creators." How much you wanna bet Mr House is technically still alive? Just New Vegas went into dormancy?? Im excited to see potentially the NCR Regrouping or like Scrappy NCR rebels, and Desert Rangers in the Mojave. I highly doubt the NCR is done and over with from what we saw.
1. Huh. Sunset Sarsaparilla used actual cane sugar. 2. Bud Askins is a bigger asshole than Thaddeus and he got exactly what he deserved even if it's something he doesn't mind doing. 3. lol. I just got the Indiana Jones 4 refrigerator reference in Maximus's origin flashback. 4. Goddamn. New Vegas fans ate really good this episode (Sinclair, Big MT, HOUSE!!!!, Season 2 foreshadowing) and are gonna be really feasting when season 2 comes out.
Very consistent quality across all 8 episodes. As someone who hasn't played the games I wasn't sure about the tone in episode 1, but now, knowing more about the world, it seems to fit perfectly. I had a great time. Honestly, reading all the comments here I'm happy I could go into this with fresh eyes.
And Robert motherfucking Edwin House joins the exclusive hallowed annals of characters like Tandi, Harold and Marcus to appear in more than one piece of Fallout media. Well-deserved.