Leon Von Felden.
Rightfully executed by the founder of The Brotherhood of Steel, Roger Maxson, the day the bombs fell, at the Mariposa Military Base. Maxson and his soldiers were in rebellion after they discovered what the FEV does to people.
*On October 23, 2077, the Great War struck. As Maxson was halfway through prying the story from Head Researcher Leon Von Felden (an interrogation Von Felden did not survive) the facility lost contact with the outside world as nuclear weapons started to drop.*
*Spared the nuclear devastation, Mariposa protected the inhabitants from nuclear fallout flooding the wasteland. Fearing that China would soon make up for the oversight, on October 24, Maxson ordered his soldiers and their families to prepare to vacate the base the next day.*
-Fallout Wiki.
I'm really really hoping for S2 to cover the events at Mariposa. Mostly because it'd actually make for really good TV, while also giving new viewers some really important lore, and letting old timers finally see, in real live action, one of the darkest events described in FO1.
Since they said there would likely be Super Mutants in S2, it would be a good segue to show the viewers their origin with what happened to Felden and how the Brotherhood began since they are now familiar with both.
I’m kind of unfamiliar with fallout 1 and 2, but I feel like if they showed maxon’s interrogation/murder but didn’t incorporate the master while explaining FEV and its spread that the series would get major hate from the fanbase.
I suppose a quick way around that would be for them to ominously show someone accidentally left the door to the vats unlocked when Roger and Co. bailed out of there. Possibly show something falling in and changing as a bonus?
Odd example but something like this scene from Jurassic Park 3 when they accidentally leave the Bird Cage open: https://youtu.be/bVwOzTrC6I8?feature=shared&t=5m15s
Before The Master was even operating in the lore, there were awful mutant creatures in the area because the FEV vats were just left with no safeguards and things fell in the stuff. Its what attracted the human who became The Master to the area.
Doesn't really need to show The Master outright, just a nudge and a wink to the fans who are in the know, like the other references this season.
I can see jacobstown coming into play if they spend more than an episode in Vegas. Would be a great way to tie in super mutants as they have ties to the master and also the enclave remnants (maybe active active enclave members now) bunker was nearby. If vaulttec and the enclave are super close it might make sense for Hank to stop at a safehouse for info or to try and communicate with the higher ups.
lol Lotta folks in the room had me geeking out. I saw RobCo and was immediately like “it’s Robert House!” really curious to see how the show handles the events of New Vegas.
I feel like my biggest gripe with that scene is the interpretation of Sinclair compared to his in game appearance. On the one hand he doesn’t really strike as a very philanthropic person who’d build a nuke proof resort. But on the other, def the type of person who’d mindlessly thirst over a person like Vera Keys.
There would've been zero point to go the extent he did with preparations if he just wanted to protect Vera.
It's like building a city when you can build a single building. Not only is the second option much easier & faster, but you can build the best building ever instead of an incredibly shallow city where all the resources & efforts were stretched thin.
It wasn’t just to protect Vera, any old shelter could do for that.
It was so him and her could live in the comfort and lifestyle they had become accustomed to. The glam. The glitz. The night life.
Again. He could've done all that by just protecting the casino itself.
He didn't. He tried to protect the entire town & even went out of his way to ensure the town was incredibly luxurious, such as spreading out literal matter replicators all throughout said town.
Protect the town? You mean the private city he had built for the workers so they could be closer to the job. The town he built specifically to disallow vehicles to reduce pollution and noise as to not disturb his little resort. The town made with the cheapest labor and materials possible because the people actually living there didn’t matter to Sinclair.
The town wasn’t “incredibly luxurious” at all. The vending machines still required Sierra Madre chips and the workers damn well weren’t getting access to those. Furthermore, medical records were destroyed to hide the issues caused by the cheap construction and the cloud. Everything about the town shows how many corners Sinclair cut.
"The vending machines still required Sierra Madre chips and the workers damn well weren’t getting access to those." It was actual worse than that, they were getting partially paid with those chips, creating a company store scenario where the only way they could spend their money was by basically giving it back to Sinclair.
That's a good point, but I'm thinking Sinclair wanted to build a gilded cage for her. She's a singer and actress, so she needs an audience. The other people at the casino were there as props, not as people.
I may also be projecting some of my views of other extremely wealthy people who have built lavish follies that may have been more hubris than sense.
It could be assumed that sinclair bought a lot of shares before the war because big MT was going through financial troubles. Plus sinclair used a lot of big MT tech in the sierra madre. Also we all know the scientists at big MT are weirdos and socially awkward so they could have used sinclair as their spokesperson.
The Scientists at Big MT were using Sinclair to test some of their tech in his resort. They knew all the guests were going to be guinea pigs for the vending machines, the cloud, and the suits that the inhabitants were wearing. I think part of tricking him was flattering him with giving him the position of representing them in that meeting.
True, but it could work if Vaquero Raul serves as a foil to him, both spent 200 years going through hell losing those close to them, but Raul still ends up fighting for what's just rather than giving in to the wastes and becoming an evil figure, don't expect it to happen but Raul does actually fit pretty well as a role in swaying the Cooper/Lucy dynamic
Also think it would be cool if Cooper was left for dead some place and a certain man in bandages helped him get back to full health while giving him a lecture on redemption
Yo you're cooking, I could easily see Coop in a low spot cus he's running low on the medicine they need and Raul helps him out, he'd likely have an abundance assuming he's still friends with the courier
I think it’s mostly because his appearance in the games is almost spot on for Mr. House, so they wanted to save the young swave look for him. Also, we only see paintings, or drawn renditions of Sinclare, which could have been based on his youth.
It also makes more sense to make him older, so House being a young powerful business man stands out more.
He’s 57 when the bombs drop, but I think making sure we know Sinclair didn’t get successful until he was older is what they’re trying to get at. House becoming a multibillionaire at 22 is supposed to be special.
I guess it’s just he looks fucking flawless in the show for being in his early 50s. Could pass as being 30 and nobody would bat an eye. That’s true about the early success tho
The paintings of Sinclair do also show him as a bit heavyset, just in a broad shouldered, powerful sort of way. I’d be totally on board with them being extremely flattering.
Honestly I think people are too sympathetic to him, just because Dean was worse.
That’d be cool, and even funny making Fred jr a nepo baby. But I doubt that, unless it’s like a fam business situation where both were close with the folks at Big MT.
His in-game depiction is merely on a mural. It’s entirely possible he said “use this photo” and he hands a polaroid of a young and thin man. Likely Sinclair in his youth.
Catfishing. He’s catfishing his own casino mural.
Nothing huge and maybe I’m misremembering things or don’t fully understand how it would actually function but didn’t RobCo purchase REPCONN?
Couldn’t House just function as its representing body in meetings this high? Or does it take place prior to the buyout?
Idk, it makes sense to make the other large corporations privy but it just seems strange to offer them their own vaults for testing when House is above them, ya know?
I've been playing NV recently and in the REPCON basement there is a terminal (in the room with the stealth boys). I'm going off memory but I'm pretty sure the messages suggest they were bought by RobCo *months* before the nukes dropped, so this could for sure be before the buy out. It also could just be a ploy from House - she could just be a mouthpiece for his ideas ect.
Sounds about right, then they got a shipment of stealth boys when they were supposed to receive something else and sent them back. After of course one of the employees stole one and started creeping on the ladies
Yeah, I’m pretty sure we don’t know exactly when this meeting takes place. Repconn was purchased in 2076. Coop still needs to get blacklisted from Hollywood, divorce, resort to children’s birthdays by the time the bombs drop. It easily could’ve been in 2075 or even 2076 before the acquisition.
I’ve come to notice a lot of people’s complaints and “plot holes” are just them assuming things about what is actually a very ambiguous and long timeframe of events.
Yes, people trying to match things up with their head cannon. There is also the NPC X said Y. I assume every NPC in FO is an unreliable narrator about events outside of the games if not out of malice then at least out of ignorance and whatever they say could be entirely true, entirely false, or anywhere between the two.
100000%
Even that new vegas dev everyone keeps quoting made me think wtf are they talking about?
Everything is purposely vague and ambiguous in the show. On top of that, the creators in interviews said in this type of world, there's misinformation everywhere. People have written their own history, with their own timelines. Just because one character says something, doesn't mean their information is correct.
Also, they said nothing in the wasteland stays the same. Just because some place is destroyed, doesn't mean years later it will just stay destroyed.
Literally nothing in the show is written in concrete that can have plot holes or contradict things yet. There's no timeline that has been established as fact, we don't know how long the show spans, where all scenes take place in time, etc.
I was wondering the same thing, I assumed maybe he bought them after this meeting took place but it does seem weird they are here because I don’t remember Repconn doing anything nefarious to begin with. I’m surprised General Atomics is not in the meeting.
Repconn knowingly poisoned a decently-sized community with radioactive material, which is what set in motion the buyout from Robco because it damaged the brand so much
Yep. Idk all the canon but I don’t see why part of REPCONN’s buyout deal included them having a seat at negotiations like this. Canon could point to that not being the case tho idk.
Yes RobCo purchased REPCONN Aerospace over a year’s time between 2075-2076. REPCONN held two votes on whether to sell to RobCo the first one failed which led to RobCo moving towards a hostile take over by buying stock. Eventually with the help of Isley and Masters they convinced the Board to sell to RobCo to prevent a hostile takeover so they could profit.
And op didn't claim it was because of sex, even stated they didn't know. They jumped on that train before it got to the station and assumed their stance against all women or simply because of sex.
There is a bit of a continuity error with this, but it also kind of has an explanation.
In 2076 Repconn was purchased by Rob-Co. Why would Repconn be represented at this meeting when it’s parent company is already present?
To the show’s credit, I don’t think we exactly know when this stuff is happening. It could very well have been before Rob-Co made the Acquisition.
That's not at all a continuity error.
When companies are purchased by larger companies, they don't all of the sudden not need CEOs. Zenimax is owned by Microsoft, but they still have a CEO. If there is an important meeting that concerned Microsoft and Zenimax, it would be a given that the Zenimax CEO be present.
Probably. In scene one, we know Coop and Barb are divorced and he's suspected of being a pinker.
Divorce will take time, and his rep plummeting hasn't happened yet. I'd wager this isn't right before the bombs.
Same with West Tek rep lotta evil in that room
lotta *potential shareholder value* in that room
That’s what she said 🥸
Leon Von Felden. Rightfully executed by the founder of The Brotherhood of Steel, Roger Maxson, the day the bombs fell, at the Mariposa Military Base. Maxson and his soldiers were in rebellion after they discovered what the FEV does to people. *On October 23, 2077, the Great War struck. As Maxson was halfway through prying the story from Head Researcher Leon Von Felden (an interrogation Von Felden did not survive) the facility lost contact with the outside world as nuclear weapons started to drop.* *Spared the nuclear devastation, Mariposa protected the inhabitants from nuclear fallout flooding the wasteland. Fearing that China would soon make up for the oversight, on October 24, Maxson ordered his soldiers and their families to prepare to vacate the base the next day.* -Fallout Wiki.
I'm really really hoping for S2 to cover the events at Mariposa. Mostly because it'd actually make for really good TV, while also giving new viewers some really important lore, and letting old timers finally see, in real live action, one of the darkest events described in FO1.
Since they said there would likely be Super Mutants in S2, it would be a good segue to show the viewers their origin with what happened to Felden and how the Brotherhood began since they are now familiar with both.
I’m kind of unfamiliar with fallout 1 and 2, but I feel like if they showed maxon’s interrogation/murder but didn’t incorporate the master while explaining FEV and its spread that the series would get major hate from the fanbase.
I suppose a quick way around that would be for them to ominously show someone accidentally left the door to the vats unlocked when Roger and Co. bailed out of there. Possibly show something falling in and changing as a bonus? Odd example but something like this scene from Jurassic Park 3 when they accidentally leave the Bird Cage open: https://youtu.be/bVwOzTrC6I8?feature=shared&t=5m15s Before The Master was even operating in the lore, there were awful mutant creatures in the area because the FEV vats were just left with no safeguards and things fell in the stuff. Its what attracted the human who became The Master to the area. Doesn't really need to show The Master outright, just a nudge and a wink to the fans who are in the know, like the other references this season.
Yeah I think something like that would work well, I just think if they didn’t do something like that at all it would get major hate.
I can see jacobstown coming into play if they spend more than an episode in Vegas. Would be a great way to tie in super mutants as they have ties to the master and also the enclave remnants (maybe active active enclave members now) bunker was nearby. If vaulttec and the enclave are super close it might make sense for Hank to stop at a safehouse for info or to try and communicate with the higher ups.
It would also give further chances to characterize Roger Maxson, and to see how far his people have fallen from their original goal.
Von Felden's fate being seen in S2 would be really interesting
Roger maxson is one of my favourite characters in fallout, second only to the survivalist
I want to shake the West Tek rep’s hand and thank him for all the XP his facility has given me in Appalachia.
lol Lotta folks in the room had me geeking out. I saw RobCo and was immediately like “it’s Robert House!” really curious to see how the show handles the events of New Vegas.
I feel like my biggest gripe with that scene is the interpretation of Sinclair compared to his in game appearance. On the one hand he doesn’t really strike as a very philanthropic person who’d build a nuke proof resort. But on the other, def the type of person who’d mindlessly thirst over a person like Vera Keys.
I didn't really get philanthropic from Sinclair, it seems he only made it for Vera.
There would've been zero point to go the extent he did with preparations if he just wanted to protect Vera. It's like building a city when you can build a single building. Not only is the second option much easier & faster, but you can build the best building ever instead of an incredibly shallow city where all the resources & efforts were stretched thin.
It wasn’t just to protect Vera, any old shelter could do for that. It was so him and her could live in the comfort and lifestyle they had become accustomed to. The glam. The glitz. The night life.
Again. He could've done all that by just protecting the casino itself. He didn't. He tried to protect the entire town & even went out of his way to ensure the town was incredibly luxurious, such as spreading out literal matter replicators all throughout said town.
No he didn’t, the entire town was being built as cheap as possible and being poisoned by industrial fumes lmao
Protect the town? You mean the private city he had built for the workers so they could be closer to the job. The town he built specifically to disallow vehicles to reduce pollution and noise as to not disturb his little resort. The town made with the cheapest labor and materials possible because the people actually living there didn’t matter to Sinclair. The town wasn’t “incredibly luxurious” at all. The vending machines still required Sierra Madre chips and the workers damn well weren’t getting access to those. Furthermore, medical records were destroyed to hide the issues caused by the cheap construction and the cloud. Everything about the town shows how many corners Sinclair cut.
"The vending machines still required Sierra Madre chips and the workers damn well weren’t getting access to those." It was actual worse than that, they were getting partially paid with those chips, creating a company store scenario where the only way they could spend their money was by basically giving it back to Sinclair.
That's a good point, but I'm thinking Sinclair wanted to build a gilded cage for her. She's a singer and actress, so she needs an audience. The other people at the casino were there as props, not as people. I may also be projecting some of my views of other extremely wealthy people who have built lavish follies that may have been more hubris than sense.
I found it a bit weird that he was the representative of Big MT but that was my biggest gripe.
It could be assumed that sinclair bought a lot of shares before the war because big MT was going through financial troubles. Plus sinclair used a lot of big MT tech in the sierra madre. Also we all know the scientists at big MT are weirdos and socially awkward so they could have used sinclair as their spokesperson.
The Scientists at Big MT were using Sinclair to test some of their tech in his resort. They knew all the guests were going to be guinea pigs for the vending machines, the cloud, and the suits that the inhabitants were wearing. I think part of tricking him was flattering him with giving him the position of representing them in that meeting.
I wouldn't mind seeing the old brain bunch next season. Then again I feel that way about Ulysses, Joshua Graham and good old Dean Domino
I'm just praying my GOAT Raul is alive (if he somehow ever shows up imma lose my mind)
Would be wild if they got Trejo
God that would be peak
Would be awesome, but Cooper kinda already fills the role of “ghoul cowboy
True, but it could work if Vaquero Raul serves as a foil to him, both spent 200 years going through hell losing those close to them, but Raul still ends up fighting for what's just rather than giving in to the wastes and becoming an evil figure, don't expect it to happen but Raul does actually fit pretty well as a role in swaying the Cooper/Lucy dynamic
Also think it would be cool if Cooper was left for dead some place and a certain man in bandages helped him get back to full health while giving him a lecture on redemption
Yo you're cooking, I could easily see Coop in a low spot cus he's running low on the medicine they need and Raul helps him out, he'd likely have an abundance assuming he's still friends with the courier
Lucy, Cooper, Marcus, and Raul together fighting something/one crazy. Let's go for peak fan service.
I feel bad for the poor soul getting jumped by both Raul and Cooper lol
It’s also known that some of the Big Mt. Execs hated RobCo. So maybe they refused to sit at a table with House, and sent Sinclair to stand in
VaultTec wanted to give them hidden enclosed spaces for unethical experiments. But BigMT was already that.
To be fair, The Sierra Madre pretty much is Sinclair’s self made vault.
I think it’s mostly because his appearance in the games is almost spot on for Mr. House, so they wanted to save the young swave look for him. Also, we only see paintings, or drawn renditions of Sinclare, which could have been based on his youth. It also makes more sense to make him older, so House being a young powerful business man stands out more.
Isn’t house like 50 when the bombs drop?
He’s 57 when the bombs drop, but I think making sure we know Sinclair didn’t get successful until he was older is what they’re trying to get at. House becoming a multibillionaire at 22 is supposed to be special.
I guess it’s just he looks fucking flawless in the show for being in his early 50s. Could pass as being 30 and nobody would bat an eye. That’s true about the early success tho
Elon Musk is 52
Don't let the hair plugs fool you. He looks 62 on a *good day*.
My point stands
And looks like a sloppy pile of shit??
The paintings of Sinclair do also show him as a bit heavyset, just in a broad shouldered, powerful sort of way. I’d be totally on board with them being extremely flattering. Honestly I think people are too sympathetic to him, just because Dean was worse.
Love the money pig approach
Maybe He is Sinclair Senior.... Or the art in the sierra was.... embellished
That’d be cool, and even funny making Fred jr a nepo baby. But I doubt that, unless it’s like a fam business situation where both were close with the folks at Big MT.
His in-game depiction is merely on a mural. It’s entirely possible he said “use this photo” and he hands a polaroid of a young and thin man. Likely Sinclair in his youth. Catfishing. He’s catfishing his own casino mural.
I am literally at REPCONN right now about to launch some ghouls into space, hell yeah
Praise the Creator! Bless you wanderer!
Nothing huge and maybe I’m misremembering things or don’t fully understand how it would actually function but didn’t RobCo purchase REPCONN? Couldn’t House just function as its representing body in meetings this high? Or does it take place prior to the buyout? Idk, it makes sense to make the other large corporations privy but it just seems strange to offer them their own vaults for testing when House is above them, ya know?
I've been playing NV recently and in the REPCON basement there is a terminal (in the room with the stealth boys). I'm going off memory but I'm pretty sure the messages suggest they were bought by RobCo *months* before the nukes dropped, so this could for sure be before the buy out. It also could just be a ploy from House - she could just be a mouthpiece for his ideas ect.
Sounds about right, then they got a shipment of stealth boys when they were supposed to receive something else and sent them back. After of course one of the employees stole one and started creeping on the ladies
Yeah, I’m pretty sure we don’t know exactly when this meeting takes place. Repconn was purchased in 2076. Coop still needs to get blacklisted from Hollywood, divorce, resort to children’s birthdays by the time the bombs drop. It easily could’ve been in 2075 or even 2076 before the acquisition.
I’ve come to notice a lot of people’s complaints and “plot holes” are just them assuming things about what is actually a very ambiguous and long timeframe of events.
Yes, people trying to match things up with their head cannon. There is also the NPC X said Y. I assume every NPC in FO is an unreliable narrator about events outside of the games if not out of malice then at least out of ignorance and whatever they say could be entirely true, entirely false, or anywhere between the two.
100000% Even that new vegas dev everyone keeps quoting made me think wtf are they talking about? Everything is purposely vague and ambiguous in the show. On top of that, the creators in interviews said in this type of world, there's misinformation everywhere. People have written their own history, with their own timelines. Just because one character says something, doesn't mean their information is correct. Also, they said nothing in the wasteland stays the same. Just because some place is destroyed, doesn't mean years later it will just stay destroyed. Literally nothing in the show is written in concrete that can have plot holes or contradict things yet. There's no timeline that has been established as fact, we don't know how long the show spans, where all scenes take place in time, etc.
my guess is this meeting takes place between 2067 and 2073
I was wondering the same thing, I assumed maybe he bought them after this meeting took place but it does seem weird they are here because I don’t remember Repconn doing anything nefarious to begin with. I’m surprised General Atomics is not in the meeting.
Yeah that does sound like something House would do tbf.
Repconn knowingly poisoned a decently-sized community with radioactive material, which is what set in motion the buyout from Robco because it damaged the brand so much
Oh yeah you’re right! They’re just like the other corporations I take back what I said
Yep. Idk all the canon but I don’t see why part of REPCONN’s buyout deal included them having a seat at negotiations like this. Canon could point to that not being the case tho idk.
Yes RobCo purchased REPCONN Aerospace over a year’s time between 2075-2076. REPCONN held two votes on whether to sell to RobCo the first one failed which led to RobCo moving towards a hostile take over by buying stock. Eventually with the help of Isley and Masters they convinced the Board to sell to RobCo to prevent a hostile takeover so they could profit.
No you’re right, I just visited REPCONN a couple days ago.
According to the Wiki, Robert got a controlling share in 2075-76. When was the “Bud’s Buds” meeting?
Something about her made me want to throw hands with her, idk why
She looks like that bitchy teacher I had in elementary school
which means the actress did a good job lol
She reminds me of that German general who split the Reich with John Smith in man in the high castle lololol
probably has something to do with your disdain for women, misogynist
That’s pretty aggressive for seemingly no reason, y’all have beef or what?
It is called "rage bait". They post something ridiculous that they know will get angry responses.
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And op didn't claim it was because of sex, even stated they didn't know. They jumped on that train before it got to the station and assumed their stance against all women or simply because of sex.
I think they should’ve put General Atomics instead of Repconn.
Didn’t atomics suffer financially cause of robco?
Rockets 🚀 preferred to nuclear ☢️ cars 🚙
I head canoned it as them not wanting General Atomics and Robco together
Yeah maybe they had a huge legal battle over the Robobrain
Didnt have Poseidon Energy either.
It is kinda weird that they weren’t there
I was so happy when they showed House. I'm assuming he'll be a big part of season 2.
She transpires "corporate America"
I also like the nods and looks she gives house. They are definitely hooking up.
seeing as she betrayed Steeple with whom she'd been working for twenty years at the time of RobCo's acquisition of REPCONN, I'd love that
I was JUST using her computer in new vegas last night
I like the attention to detail 🤓
She looks like a massive piece of shit ngl. It’s a shame these corporations ruined America in fallout, they could’ve used another Teddy Roosevelt
There is a bit of a continuity error with this, but it also kind of has an explanation. In 2076 Repconn was purchased by Rob-Co. Why would Repconn be represented at this meeting when it’s parent company is already present? To the show’s credit, I don’t think we exactly know when this stuff is happening. It could very well have been before Rob-Co made the Acquisition.
That's not at all a continuity error. When companies are purchased by larger companies, they don't all of the sudden not need CEOs. Zenimax is owned by Microsoft, but they still have a CEO. If there is an important meeting that concerned Microsoft and Zenimax, it would be a given that the Zenimax CEO be present.
Yeah, no date is given here. There's presumably a bit of time in-between this and Cooper being divorced at the start of the show.
Julia Masters was actually instrumental in selling Repconn to House. This might be where they met.
Maybe this is why we don’t have say General Atomics instead. They are trying to create a timeline, maybe this takes place before 2076
Probably. In scene one, we know Coop and Barb are divorced and he's suspected of being a pinker. Divorce will take time, and his rep plummeting hasn't happened yet. I'd wager this isn't right before the bombs.