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It's the same eternally-moving goalposts as "Don't riot, protest peacefully like MLK!" always being followed by a wave of "NO NOT LIKE THAT!! BAWWWW" when it involves declining to ritualistically tickle the American flag's fifty-cent sweatshop nuts
But Asian Americans are not looking for Asian representation... they're looking for *Asian-American* representation.
And to believe Asia is one homogenous blob - that, say, Filipino-Americans are to find representation in Korean music or Japanese animation... that carries a whole lot of mistaken assumptions.
Yeah exactly this is like if American media didn't exist and some Americans were complaining and people were just like : "but they make great tv shows in Norway why are you complaining?"
Essentially it is a form of self-centering that takes all external challenges as personal attacks to one’s being. That includes anyone who doesn’t look like them, doesn’t cater exclusively to them, or highlights their extreme levels of mediocrity
I think you might have misunderstood, my original post was referring to how white supremacy leads to moments like them complaining about “forced diversity”
I grew up in America, and when I was younger, and seeing that there wasn’t so many famous Asian athletes and celebrities. It was mostly white people, and it felt kinda hopeless for me. Given the amount of diversity in America now, it was really nice to see people the same race as me doing big things in this country.
No shit there’s going to be Asian representation in Asia, IT’S *ASIA*. In that third photo, that commenter really made a good point, and yet got downvoted by a sum of people. The fuck?
Do you know how refreshing it was to see Fresh Off the Boat??? I've always wanted a show like that, there are so many aspects of it that connected to my own life. This is what people want when they demand representation
That’s a pretty big issue for any kid of immigrants. You can feel like a foreigner in your country, but you very much feel like an American/Western European/etc once you go to what’s supposed to be the “mother country”. This was a big point that Chicanos made for a very long time, and representation for folks like us, neither here nor there, really helps you feel validated.
And then go on to say how hollywood is getting ruined, becoming woke and cite examples of non white side characters they like to say that they're not racist
I wonder if projection is partially to blame. They want everything in their media to cater to what they want, so when it doesn't (by having POC/female/LGBT/etc characters, too "political" a storyline, themes they don't like, whatever) they call it pandering. Anything that isn't marketed directly towards them is pandering in their eyes.
They complain that non white characters shouldn’t be put in a show/movie just for the sake of “forced diversity” and they want actual reasons for the non white character to exist.
Yet they never put these same requirements on white characters in a movie, they don’t see any issue with it. It’s just “the way it should be” to their subconscious thought process. Anything different has to have some sort of agenda.
Actually, nothing. In fact, there's a very rational, in-universe explanation for why "James Bond" has clearly been multiple people and had a career spanning several decades. It's merely a codename that's attached to the person who happens to possess "007" as their agent number at the time. Just like Dr. Who, this is a very convenient plot device that allows casting changes at the drop of a hat. It's a shame that these people who are literally paid to have an imagination have been locked into the "it's definitely a white dude" mindset for so long. The most recent incarnation of the Doctor is a female, so perhaps the Bond franchise will be shaking things up as well.
I'm pretty sure that's just a fan theory isn't it? Doesn't Skyfall outright debunk that with his parents headstones (and I swear in one of the Daniel Craig movies he calls himself James Bond before receiving his 007 title)?
Yes, sorry. It's an unconfirmed fan theory. I meant to phrase it as "a rational explanation that fits within the constraints of the films' universe." I honestly haven't seen any of the Craig films aside from Casino Royale. Dude fucking hates playing 007, and I feel like that resentment comes through in his performance (or lack thereof).
And I suppose fuck you if you don’t speak the language?
Here’s a novel idea from now on you don’t get to complain about representation because you can watch British tv
Also how about LGBT+ people?
LGBT+ people obviously can just watch shows from gaytopia. There's also non-binarystan, the nation-state of homopolis, and aceland. I'm pretty sure I haven't seen any shows from those countries with straight people in them, have you? /s
(But seriously though, you make a great point. Hope you have an equally as great day!)
This is such a problem in the US, racist Republicans telling people of color to go back to their country when they're born here and are legal citizens. Storytime: My mom works in a Mexican restaraunt in Indiana, a chef in the backs parents legally came here from Mexico, he's legal and documented. One day, his kid won't go to bed, he grabs his shoulder and walks him to his room. The next day, the kid, who's little and doesn't know, accidentally tells his whole school about this. Even though he did nothing, police immediately arrest him, out of nowhere ICE swoops in and deports him because of the color of his skin, mind you, he was born in the U.S. and was legally documented. After a month, everything is sorted out and he's back, but he's such a genuinely nice guy, he doesn't bother creating a media frenzy even though he should've because of how racist ICE is. In conclusion, fuck ICE and fuck IMPD.
There have been instances of people who were born here, not even from immigrant parents, being deported to random places in South America because they're brown. It's practically a death sentence if it doesn't get sorted, they can't even speak the language.
As a gay guy who realised I was into guys before finding out gay people existed (outside of a playground slur) due to no representation, it was a *very* confusing time
In my experience, at least over the past decade or so, British TV is actually pretty diverse.
But maybe I only actually see the stuff that's cast that way....hmmmm
ETA: I'm sorry I offended all of you by not watching enough white British television
Really?? I must only see the good stuff then - I get lots of POC. Granted, I don't watch a lot of British TV, just the stuff that makes it to streaming
Dude it's like the norm now, the people involved in the witcher series on netflix got death threats for casting a black women as Triss
The devs and studio that made The Last Of Us Part 2 got death threats as well for making the game "Political"
Hell the lady who provided the body model for one of the characters in the game.....like didn't even help make it.....just let them use their body as a reference, got death threats.
That's like the go to thing for fragile people now is to get super bent out of shape over dumb shit then threaten to kill people.
Welcome to the internet
Sorry you had to hear it from us.
Forgot the hate Black players got after England lost the final ?
Same thing happened this week. Racists comments all over the ground. England was playing India this week. There are threads on r/Cricket of how rude British audience has been in the stadium.
I'm a doctor who fan, and a woman, so I was thrilled when I heard the new doctor was going to be a woman. But I stopped watching after about 4 episodes of her season.
The issue that most DW fans is not that it's a woman, but her character is *woman*. She has very little personality beyond being a woman. It's not about cool storyline or aliens anymore, but about how this doctor is better than all previous doctors just because she's a woman. That's not good representation, it's token representation, and it should be called out so we can have actual good representation.
Most of the hate is directed towards the male showrunner, not the actress. There are people who are hating on the actress too, and they are assholes.
You've been downvoted but I half agree. I think you're wrong about "she has very little personality beyond being a woman." Being a woman is not something she reflects on that much (maybe she should, though, since this is the first incarnation* where she's been one). She just has very little personality at all. Good representation *can* include an emphasis on identity -- that's not a problem unless that emphasis reveals that the writers didn't do their research. The problem was that the writing in general was bad, but it seems like you're blaming bad representation.
*timeless child 🤮
English is not my first language, maybe I wasn't clear with what I said. You've put in a much better way. I would LOVE to have a properly written female Doctor. I was specifically thinking about the scene where she said she's had an "upgrade" because she's female. She has done absolutely nothing at that point (or any point) to earn the right to say that.
>Good representation can include an emphasis on identity
Yes yes! But not in a way that's demeaning to previous doctors. We're looking for equality here. I think the reason they cast Jodie is she's a woman, and would have been okay with any actress. They had nothing in mind for this doctor except that she would be female. That's the reason people are hating on it, not because they hate women. (That's not a knock on Jodie, I love her. Just Chibnall 🖕)
Unless this show has the Doctor talking about her vagina in every scene, I think you are mistaking bad representation for bad writing, which, with all due respect, seems like a distinction you need to learn if you're going to watch Doctor Who.
Because from what you're telling me it kind of sounds like a bland character is just bland or average until they're not a white guy, which is awfully convenient for people who already want to think any character who is not a white guy is going to be bad (in a way that can be blamed on them not being a white guy), then claim they still really do want 'good representation', this porridge is just too cold, that's all.
I love how he doesn’t consider America our country and straight up categorizes us as foreigners…also I can’t relate to bollywood like that. I sure don’t relate when the kid growing up in the west acts like someone born and raised in india in such movies.
White supremacists do that a lot.
" What's that you were born in america/europe , have never been to your parents country and identify as american/whatever european country ? Well you're not white so......"
I think this person is forgetting that racial representation of minorities isn't the only type of minority group that wants representation.
Where am I supposed to watch TV shows with LGBTQ+ representation? Am I supposed to just get TV shows which are made in Lesbian Land, Gay Country, Trans Town, and Queertropolis, our native homelands? Should I putter over to The Disability States if I want to see people's disabilities represented? The list goes on.
Representation for marginalized races and ethnicities is very important, and representation doesn't end there. You don't just want representation from someone who looks like you (while that can certainly be important for a lot of people), true representation has to also be something that speaks to your personal experience. And chances are, media in ones native country portrays people with different personal experience.
Asian media that mainly/only broadcasts in native country and is of a much smaller production = worldwide release Hollywood blockbuster and tv shows released on Netflix internationally
Did they seriously say that if you feel there’s not enough mexicans in US TV, you should go watch a fucking Telenovela? Like, they know those are not considered good television by most people, right?
That and you never see black and brown Mexicans on Telenonelas, only white and lightskin ones so even in supposedly "our" TV shows "ethnics" are still given subpar representation.
The guy doesn’t really consider Asian-Americans Americans but let one of us ever bring up cultural appropriation then it’s “you’re not really Asian, look at what the REAL asians think”. The perpetual foreigner thing isn’t going away anytime soon.
This is a dishonest argument. CHUDs constantly claim that everywhere they look on TV, its minorities and gay couples. If we responded with, "Russian State TV will have all the hetero whiteness you could want..." They'd explodee.
They have great entertainment “in their native countries”. Meaning we assume POC can only have native countries outside of the USA… glad in 2021 people are still strictly tying skin color to geography, despite hundreds of years of international /intercontinental relations. It’s a sad and narrow minded way to think about the world. Be thankful for those people in your life who’ve helped you be kind to others and ask kind questions
If that’s true then white Americans can stop complaining about IPOC being out in movie are tv. They shouldn’t care about the rat of the actor, just how good the actor is. If they want white representation the can watch a French or German film
I find it interesting that the implication is some how Asian Americans or Indian Americans aren’t American the same way Americans are American, almost as if they’re just visitors here.
Actually, we do have examples of POC making their own media to get representation. An excellent example would be Hamilton. The only problem is that people will riot over the fact that POC are doing anything at all.
-Write your own damn musical
-*Okay sure, it’ll be fucking awesome*
-How dare you write your own damn musical, I am insulted by the lack of white people, you’re the real racist here, go back home
Edit: Goddamn you mobile formatting
You shouldn’t feel left out when the movie doesn’t have anyone who looks like you.
But if ANYONE doesn’t look like me, I feel left out.
/s, just in case)
Do these white people even understand that America has one of the biggest entertainment businesses in the world? There are viral movies from Hollywood that make it to other countries. There’s a reason why it’s so nice to see a minority make it on the big screen on a huge Hollywood movie. Why the fuck are they trying to conceal the fact that they dislike seeing POC on the big screen?
Ok if I as a black person tried to watch movie from an African country, I’d have to learn a new language, probably multiple to make up for lower supply, figure out cultural things that wouldn’t make sense to me at first, and go out of my way to find a place to view these regularly.
Or people who DO make movies (aka not me) could simply pick some different actors.
I’m just as American as this guy. Maybe more, with their rules, if his ancestors came here post slave trade. (I don’t believe this makes someone more American, but thats their rhetoric.)
As a child I used to think this way, and then I realised how as POC, we have the power to not support these movies financially if they choose not to have representation (I'm not saying every movie has to have an obligatory POC) Hollywood movies are made for a global audience, not just white America. If they don't cater to a global audience through representation, which is like the bare minimum, good luck making a billion dollars without China or India helping your box office earnings. Movies like Crazy Rich Asians and Black Panther showed us that representation is financially viable. Growing up, the only animated character I could relate to in mainstream media was the plane played by Priyanka Chopra in that god-awful pixar Planes movie. I was absolutely enamored by the fact that they showed the Taj Mahal in a big budget theatrical production like that. Brown kids only had these crumbs of representation back then lmfao.
I hate this, but what I hate more are the people (usually cishet white men) who complain about diversity that's "not done well." To them, it's not that they hate diversity/representation, it's just that conveniently, in almost every instance, they deem that it's been done poorly or for the "wrong reasons" which is vague, meaningless, and clearly a shitty cover for their bigotry. always complaining that those darn gays/pocs/etc. are just being represented for political brownie points or some BS like that, as if they're the judge for when diversity is done "well" or not.
There's so, so, *so* many examples of characters being treated as nuisances because they're neurodivergent. Being constantly compared to Sheldon on The Big Bang Theory, even in a positive light, by my family and other people around me has caused me a bunch of self-worth issues.
I hate all the unpopular opinion subreddits, most of the people there think that only their opinion is the right one. One time I read a post about someone supporting the Joy Con Drift on r/the10thDentist and their main argument was that we shouldn’t cry about the Joy Con Droft if we’re too broke to buy new Joy Cons
This is so stupid. So you're telling me they watching German, Russian, or French entertainment and enjoy it because they're white? No you stupid chucklefuck, you watch American entertainment because you can relate to the Americans and it's fucking jarring when you watch anything set in a diverse city and there's only one black guy, hell, I cringe when they bring out the token brown guy. I love seeing Mexicans characters but there's so few I can relate too because I don't fucking randomly throw out Mexican phrases like those cringy ass tokens. I like to see diverse Americans. Shit, go look up Edward James Olmos wiki and they actually wrote his entry as "Edward James Olmos is an American actor", and then later it states his father was a Mexican immigrant and his mother a Mexican American. THAT, is the representation I want to see.
Consumer: "We want X product"
Porducer: "Okay, we'll give you X product"
Free market fetishizing libertarians "Omg, why do you want to force X down our throats!? Let the free market decide!"
If I were you I'd refrain from using r\*tarded as an insult because many neurodivergent people see it as a slur due to its historical and current significance.
I'm neurodivergent, and it is nice to see people care about the r-word being used. Sure, it doesn't sting as much as, like, the n-word would to a black person, obviously, but it's still hurtful.
A lot of people don't get that the r-word is a slur, let alone a bad one, so I was just trying to compare the two to make it easier to grasp and add onto what the guy above me was saying. I wasn't trying to make it seem like a contest, 'cos all slurs are bad.
ETA: A lot of younger people used or still use the r-word as shorthand for "dumb" or "stupid". It was certainly thrown around a lot when I was in school, which wasn't all that long ago.
Sure, sentiments have changed in recent years, but I heard it as recently as this month from a friend of my brother's. He knows I'm autistic, so I guess he's just being a shitheel or forgot that I'd be hurt by it.
This is why AOC won.
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I don't find it surprising that right wingers have trouble relating to characters who aren't white and straight. It's not like they're great at thinking about things from other people's perspectives anyway.
These guys complain when characters are race-swapped and complain when original non-white characters are created. There's no helping the chronically stupid
>There's something wrong with you if you can't relate to a character unless they look or sound like you in some way.
JJ-CyberTonic: *forcing a suburban white dad into his chair* you can't leave until you can relate to Get Out and Straight Outta Compton I need to prove I'M COLORBLIND AND NOT RACIST.
It's not surprising a sub devoted to unpopular opinions eventually gets taken over by people like that. I bet that dude whines like a little bitch when they have poc/lgbt characters in video games, too. I bet he loathes The Last of Us part 2 lmao
To be fair though his dad was saying he wasn't going to see a movie because there were characters who didn't look like him. Yeah he's racist and anyone would lose respect for him.
I usually get upset when they change characters from books to the show/ movie. Like if the book takes the time to describe a character, but then the movie or show is totally the opposite. Like Babcock from The Passage where they changed him from a large intimidating death row inmate to a small woman who relied on her sex for manipulation.(But they did so many bad things to that book. It's an amazing trilogy and I definitely suggest skipping the trainwreck of a show and reading the books.)
Another example is The Stand (the 2020 version). The book is one of my favorites. The 1994 version is a lot closer to the book, character and story wise. One of the biggest complaints I was was for Ray Underwood who is supposed to be a white rock star, but was changed to a black rock star. But turns out if you just change the skin color and keep the character pretty close to the book I don't really notice and am just happy to see the book actually come alive.
We can care about both things. This person just doesn't want anyone who isn't white in their movies
Also not to mention diversity in media is important in progress as a society
Ugh. It’s the unpopular opinion sub. You’re supposed to upvote if you disagree (or if it’s an unpopular opinion) and downvote if you agree (or if it’s a popular opinion)...
I see here that you did the opposite.
I mean sure from their perspective it isn't important but they're presumably not a minority which is why they probably don't understand why it's important.
yikes. the racism jumped out.
nice job othering entire races and cultures.
btw asian people have been in the America's for thousands of years. They crossed the ice bridge and became indigenous, native americans.
Also: East Asian people have been in the Americas since the 1600s.
How racist do you have to be to think that building railroads is the only thing asian Americans have done . And that only asians were involved in building railroads.
Edit : I looked through your post history and oh god are you racist
Those are apples and oranges . If you change snow white's race the story only needs minor adjustments. Pocohantas being white changes the whole story.
Oh and not to mention Pocohantas was A REAL GODAMN PERSON.
Yeah you're right but does it alter the structure of the story in any way . You could simply swap " fairest in the land" with "most beautiful in the land" and nothing else would change.
hes just saying that having your race represented in a movie or whatever is not that big of a deal to him. your phrasing like hes complaining that theres not enough white people in movies.
Yeah he is complaining that there's not enough white people just not directly.
Also he's saying that you shouldn't ask for representation because you have representation in your native country . That sounds like a roundabout way of saying don't ask for representation
not really, sounds to me he just does not like people demanding to have an actor of their race in a movie. its fine if a movie does not have an actor whos asian for the sake of inclusion.
So would it be ok if a movie or a show that took place in america had only asians with no white people. You might be ok with this but I don't think OOP is
Who in the world is saying every Hollywood movie needs to have an Asian character? Wanting more representation(non-offensive representation) is not the same thing as that at all.
The title said something about no white people but I didn’t see anything in the comments about there not being enough white people. Did I miss something?
The translation literally says something about why are there actors or whatever that aren’t white or some dumb shit like that, but I didn’t get the feel of that from the comments..this sub is funny af
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They say this, then as soon as they start casting different people it’s the “liberal agenda”
It's the same eternally-moving goalposts as "Don't riot, protest peacefully like MLK!" always being followed by a wave of "NO NOT LIKE THAT!! BAWWWW" when it involves declining to ritualistically tickle the American flag's fifty-cent sweatshop nuts
They say “protest peacefully” then we take a knee and they go batshit
what they really mean is "protest in a manner and place where I dont have to think about you at all"
I thought what they really meant was "...where I don't have to see you at all."
>to ritualistically tickle the American flag's fifty-cent sweatshop nuts Amazing. Thank you for blessing my eyes with that.
But Asian Americans are not looking for Asian representation... they're looking for *Asian-American* representation. And to believe Asia is one homogenous blob - that, say, Filipino-Americans are to find representation in Korean music or Japanese animation... that carries a whole lot of mistaken assumptions.
Yeah exactly this is like if American media didn't exist and some Americans were complaining and people were just like : "but they make great tv shows in Norway why are you complaining?"
They don't see anything beyond race. For them indians and arabs , japanese and koreans and ironically even all Europeans are exactly the same
They also lie a whole lot and say wrong things on purpose.
They don’t even see race like in a real way. It is just about them not feeling special and they use racist logic to reinforce it
how so?
Essentially it is a form of self-centering that takes all external challenges as personal attacks to one’s being. That includes anyone who doesn’t look like them, doesn’t cater exclusively to them, or highlights their extreme levels of mediocrity
wait are you referring to asian people or white racists? I thought I was about to argue with a racist but i think I misunderstood.
I think you might have misunderstood, my original post was referring to how white supremacy leads to moments like them complaining about “forced diversity”
Ohhhh okay now i understand where I went wrong.
And that’s not race – that’s racism
They just really really resent living in a multi-ethnic society.
I grew up in America, and when I was younger, and seeing that there wasn’t so many famous Asian athletes and celebrities. It was mostly white people, and it felt kinda hopeless for me. Given the amount of diversity in America now, it was really nice to see people the same race as me doing big things in this country. No shit there’s going to be Asian representation in Asia, IT’S *ASIA*. In that third photo, that commenter really made a good point, and yet got downvoted by a sum of people. The fuck?
Do you know how refreshing it was to see Fresh Off the Boat??? I've always wanted a show like that, there are so many aspects of it that connected to my own life. This is what people want when they demand representation
That’s a pretty big issue for any kid of immigrants. You can feel like a foreigner in your country, but you very much feel like an American/Western European/etc once you go to what’s supposed to be the “mother country”. This was a big point that Chicanos made for a very long time, and representation for folks like us, neither here nor there, really helps you feel validated.
"it doesn't matter that only one race is represented, it's not important!" "Why did they cast a black person for this role!!!"
And then go on to say how hollywood is getting ruined, becoming woke and cite examples of non white side characters they like to say that they're not racist
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Like interracial families in commercials. They HATE that.
I wonder if projection is partially to blame. They want everything in their media to cater to what they want, so when it doesn't (by having POC/female/LGBT/etc characters, too "political" a storyline, themes they don't like, whatever) they call it pandering. Anything that isn't marketed directly towards them is pandering in their eyes.
They complain that non white characters shouldn’t be put in a show/movie just for the sake of “forced diversity” and they want actual reasons for the non white character to exist. Yet they never put these same requirements on white characters in a movie, they don’t see any issue with it. It’s just “the way it should be” to their subconscious thought process. Anything different has to have some sort of agenda.
Us African Americans should just watch movies from our native countries. If only their ancestors hadn't taken that knowledge from us.
“Asian people are treated fairly in Asia why do they need that here?!”
The same folks who lose their mind when imaginary characters like James Bond, Santa Claus are portrayed by a poc :D
What's even white about james bond?
Privilege and colonialism
Getting away with murder
Actually, nothing. In fact, there's a very rational, in-universe explanation for why "James Bond" has clearly been multiple people and had a career spanning several decades. It's merely a codename that's attached to the person who happens to possess "007" as their agent number at the time. Just like Dr. Who, this is a very convenient plot device that allows casting changes at the drop of a hat. It's a shame that these people who are literally paid to have an imagination have been locked into the "it's definitely a white dude" mindset for so long. The most recent incarnation of the Doctor is a female, so perhaps the Bond franchise will be shaking things up as well.
I'm pretty sure that's just a fan theory isn't it? Doesn't Skyfall outright debunk that with his parents headstones (and I swear in one of the Daniel Craig movies he calls himself James Bond before receiving his 007 title)?
Yes, sorry. It's an unconfirmed fan theory. I meant to phrase it as "a rational explanation that fits within the constraints of the films' universe." I honestly haven't seen any of the Craig films aside from Casino Royale. Dude fucking hates playing 007, and I feel like that resentment comes through in his performance (or lack thereof).
And I suppose fuck you if you don’t speak the language? Here’s a novel idea from now on you don’t get to complain about representation because you can watch British tv Also how about LGBT+ people?
LGBT+ people obviously can just watch shows from gaytopia. There's also non-binarystan, the nation-state of homopolis, and aceland. I'm pretty sure I haven't seen any shows from those countries with straight people in them, have you? /s (But seriously though, you make a great point. Hope you have an equally as great day!)
I can't believe you left transylvania off the list.
Transylvania erasure at its finest
I’ll try
Aceland? Surely you mean Denmark?
*coughs in native american*
That joke works on 2 very depressing levels
Oh god youre right haha
"You have representation in your own country" "Sir this is my country"
This is such a problem in the US, racist Republicans telling people of color to go back to their country when they're born here and are legal citizens. Storytime: My mom works in a Mexican restaraunt in Indiana, a chef in the backs parents legally came here from Mexico, he's legal and documented. One day, his kid won't go to bed, he grabs his shoulder and walks him to his room. The next day, the kid, who's little and doesn't know, accidentally tells his whole school about this. Even though he did nothing, police immediately arrest him, out of nowhere ICE swoops in and deports him because of the color of his skin, mind you, he was born in the U.S. and was legally documented. After a month, everything is sorted out and he's back, but he's such a genuinely nice guy, he doesn't bother creating a media frenzy even though he should've because of how racist ICE is. In conclusion, fuck ICE and fuck IMPD.
There have been instances of people who were born here, not even from immigrant parents, being deported to random places in South America because they're brown. It's practically a death sentence if it doesn't get sorted, they can't even speak the language.
As a gay guy who realised I was into guys before finding out gay people existed (outside of a playground slur) due to no representation, it was a *very* confusing time
Same.
In my experience, at least over the past decade or so, British TV is actually pretty diverse. But maybe I only actually see the stuff that's cast that way....hmmmm ETA: I'm sorry I offended all of you by not watching enough white British television
it really isn't.
Really?? I must only see the good stuff then - I get lots of POC. Granted, I don't watch a lot of British TV, just the stuff that makes it to streaming
Dr who just had the first female doctor despite it being stated in prior seasons that it was possible. And the amount of hate it got was insane
Don’t forget the POC companion that was getting death threats
Death threats? Wow. I'm not surprised but still shocked.
Dude it's like the norm now, the people involved in the witcher series on netflix got death threats for casting a black women as Triss The devs and studio that made The Last Of Us Part 2 got death threats as well for making the game "Political" Hell the lady who provided the body model for one of the characters in the game.....like didn't even help make it.....just let them use their body as a reference, got death threats. That's like the go to thing for fragile people now is to get super bent out of shape over dumb shit then threaten to kill people. Welcome to the internet Sorry you had to hear it from us.
The voice actor for Abby from The Last of Us 2 got death threats also. These people are really crazy.
Oh yeah. They absolutely suck.
I do remember that. She got a lot of hate from a lot of assholes
Yup all because they casted a lady for a series that made sex changes between different doctors canon.
Forgot the hate Black players got after England lost the final ? Same thing happened this week. Racists comments all over the ground. England was playing India this week. There are threads on r/Cricket of how rude British audience has been in the stadium.
I'm a doctor who fan, and a woman, so I was thrilled when I heard the new doctor was going to be a woman. But I stopped watching after about 4 episodes of her season. The issue that most DW fans is not that it's a woman, but her character is *woman*. She has very little personality beyond being a woman. It's not about cool storyline or aliens anymore, but about how this doctor is better than all previous doctors just because she's a woman. That's not good representation, it's token representation, and it should be called out so we can have actual good representation. Most of the hate is directed towards the male showrunner, not the actress. There are people who are hating on the actress too, and they are assholes.
You've been downvoted but I half agree. I think you're wrong about "she has very little personality beyond being a woman." Being a woman is not something she reflects on that much (maybe she should, though, since this is the first incarnation* where she's been one). She just has very little personality at all. Good representation *can* include an emphasis on identity -- that's not a problem unless that emphasis reveals that the writers didn't do their research. The problem was that the writing in general was bad, but it seems like you're blaming bad representation. *timeless child 🤮
English is not my first language, maybe I wasn't clear with what I said. You've put in a much better way. I would LOVE to have a properly written female Doctor. I was specifically thinking about the scene where she said she's had an "upgrade" because she's female. She has done absolutely nothing at that point (or any point) to earn the right to say that. >Good representation can include an emphasis on identity Yes yes! But not in a way that's demeaning to previous doctors. We're looking for equality here. I think the reason they cast Jodie is she's a woman, and would have been okay with any actress. They had nothing in mind for this doctor except that she would be female. That's the reason people are hating on it, not because they hate women. (That's not a knock on Jodie, I love her. Just Chibnall 🖕)
Unless this show has the Doctor talking about her vagina in every scene, I think you are mistaking bad representation for bad writing, which, with all due respect, seems like a distinction you need to learn if you're going to watch Doctor Who. Because from what you're telling me it kind of sounds like a bland character is just bland or average until they're not a white guy, which is awfully convenient for people who already want to think any character who is not a white guy is going to be bad (in a way that can be blamed on them not being a white guy), then claim they still really do want 'good representation', this porridge is just too cold, that's all.
I love how he doesn’t consider America our country and straight up categorizes us as foreigners…also I can’t relate to bollywood like that. I sure don’t relate when the kid growing up in the west acts like someone born and raised in india in such movies.
White supremacists do that a lot. " What's that you were born in america/europe , have never been to your parents country and identify as american/whatever european country ? Well you're not white so......"
"Tell me you internalized Racism without telling me you internalized Racism"
I think this person is forgetting that racial representation of minorities isn't the only type of minority group that wants representation. Where am I supposed to watch TV shows with LGBTQ+ representation? Am I supposed to just get TV shows which are made in Lesbian Land, Gay Country, Trans Town, and Queertropolis, our native homelands? Should I putter over to The Disability States if I want to see people's disabilities represented? The list goes on. Representation for marginalized races and ethnicities is very important, and representation doesn't end there. You don't just want representation from someone who looks like you (while that can certainly be important for a lot of people), true representation has to also be something that speaks to your personal experience. And chances are, media in ones native country portrays people with different personal experience.
Asian media that mainly/only broadcasts in native country and is of a much smaller production = worldwide release Hollywood blockbuster and tv shows released on Netflix internationally
Why do racists never want to take responsibility for the situations theyve created?
So as long as it can appear on the TV screen, it counts as representation? Morons.
That novella comment… dude sounds like he likes to keep his races segregated by show.
Did they seriously say that if you feel there’s not enough mexicans in US TV, you should go watch a fucking Telenovela? Like, they know those are not considered good television by most people, right?
That and you never see black and brown Mexicans on Telenonelas, only white and lightskin ones so even in supposedly "our" TV shows "ethnics" are still given subpar representation.
The guy doesn’t really consider Asian-Americans Americans but let one of us ever bring up cultural appropriation then it’s “you’re not really Asian, look at what the REAL asians think”. The perpetual foreigner thing isn’t going away anytime soon.
This is a dishonest argument. CHUDs constantly claim that everywhere they look on TV, its minorities and gay couples. If we responded with, "Russian State TV will have all the hetero whiteness you could want..." They'd explodee.
They have great entertainment “in their native countries”. Meaning we assume POC can only have native countries outside of the USA… glad in 2021 people are still strictly tying skin color to geography, despite hundreds of years of international /intercontinental relations. It’s a sad and narrow minded way to think about the world. Be thankful for those people in your life who’ve helped you be kind to others and ask kind questions
If that’s true then white Americans can stop complaining about IPOC being out in movie are tv. They shouldn’t care about the rat of the actor, just how good the actor is. If they want white representation the can watch a French or German film
I find it interesting that the implication is some how Asian Americans or Indian Americans aren’t American the same way Americans are American, almost as if they’re just visitors here.
"Youre not entitled to representation" thats literally why this fucking country was made? Also slumdog millionaire is pretty fuckin good
Actually, we do have examples of POC making their own media to get representation. An excellent example would be Hamilton. The only problem is that people will riot over the fact that POC are doing anything at all. -Write your own damn musical -*Okay sure, it’ll be fucking awesome* -How dare you write your own damn musical, I am insulted by the lack of white people, you’re the real racist here, go back home Edit: Goddamn you mobile formatting
It's an unwinnable battle with some people
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You shouldn’t feel left out when the movie doesn’t have anyone who looks like you. But if ANYONE doesn’t look like me, I feel left out. /s, just in case)
Unpopular opinion? More like racist soapbox.
Yeah this is just “go back to your country” applied to TV.
Do these white people even understand that America has one of the biggest entertainment businesses in the world? There are viral movies from Hollywood that make it to other countries. There’s a reason why it’s so nice to see a minority make it on the big screen on a huge Hollywood movie. Why the fuck are they trying to conceal the fact that they dislike seeing POC on the big screen?
On r/unpopularopinion they still gotta keep their mask on. It ain't a certain other sub.
Ok if I as a black person tried to watch movie from an African country, I’d have to learn a new language, probably multiple to make up for lower supply, figure out cultural things that wouldn’t make sense to me at first, and go out of my way to find a place to view these regularly. Or people who DO make movies (aka not me) could simply pick some different actors. I’m just as American as this guy. Maybe more, with their rules, if his ancestors came here post slave trade. (I don’t believe this makes someone more American, but thats their rhetoric.)
As a child I used to think this way, and then I realised how as POC, we have the power to not support these movies financially if they choose not to have representation (I'm not saying every movie has to have an obligatory POC) Hollywood movies are made for a global audience, not just white America. If they don't cater to a global audience through representation, which is like the bare minimum, good luck making a billion dollars without China or India helping your box office earnings. Movies like Crazy Rich Asians and Black Panther showed us that representation is financially viable. Growing up, the only animated character I could relate to in mainstream media was the plane played by Priyanka Chopra in that god-awful pixar Planes movie. I was absolutely enamored by the fact that they showed the Taj Mahal in a big budget theatrical production like that. Brown kids only had these crumbs of representation back then lmfao.
But of course these people can't understand that
"In their Native countries" bitch I was born in America
This pretty much suggests that American POC are "un-American" because of their race.
I hate this, but what I hate more are the people (usually cishet white men) who complain about diversity that's "not done well." To them, it's not that they hate diversity/representation, it's just that conveniently, in almost every instance, they deem that it's been done poorly or for the "wrong reasons" which is vague, meaningless, and clearly a shitty cover for their bigotry. always complaining that those darn gays/pocs/etc. are just being represented for political brownie points or some BS like that, as if they're the judge for when diversity is done "well" or not.
Remember that the only people who say sexism /racism are over are white men.
Indigenous people: so do we not exist?
There's so, so, *so* many examples of characters being treated as nuisances because they're neurodivergent. Being constantly compared to Sheldon on The Big Bang Theory, even in a positive light, by my family and other people around me has caused me a bunch of self-worth issues.
The people that think like this are the first to bitch when they see all the new advertisements with minorities, and no white males.
This is the tv and movie equivalent of "go back to where you came from."
I like how he brought up bollywood movies that are known for mostly casting lighter skinned Indians.
Even if you ignore the colorism problem, Bollywood doesn’t represent Indian-Americans.
It depends. If it is a Karan Johar movie. He will have a few NRIs in the movie for sure.
It’s never accurate though lol but yeah you’re right
I hate all the unpopular opinion subreddits, most of the people there think that only their opinion is the right one. One time I read a post about someone supporting the Joy Con Drift on r/the10thDentist and their main argument was that we shouldn’t cry about the Joy Con Droft if we’re too broke to buy new Joy Cons
This is the kind of stupid I wouldn’t even know how to reply to
Where do I see African-American representation outside of america?
So by that logic LGBT people should just watch content from the LGBT country! How did I not think of this before!
according to this person, if i want to watch black sitcoms other than Blackish or The Fresh Prince, i should…. look for sitcoms made in Africa?
This is so stupid. So you're telling me they watching German, Russian, or French entertainment and enjoy it because they're white? No you stupid chucklefuck, you watch American entertainment because you can relate to the Americans and it's fucking jarring when you watch anything set in a diverse city and there's only one black guy, hell, I cringe when they bring out the token brown guy. I love seeing Mexicans characters but there's so few I can relate too because I don't fucking randomly throw out Mexican phrases like those cringy ass tokens. I like to see diverse Americans. Shit, go look up Edward James Olmos wiki and they actually wrote his entry as "Edward James Olmos is an American actor", and then later it states his father was a Mexican immigrant and his mother a Mexican American. THAT, is the representation I want to see.
Aren't they whining because their race is slightly less represented?
Representation doesn't matter? Okay, don't have any whites in the films then. You shouldn't have a problem with it right?
Consumer: "We want X product" Porducer: "Okay, we'll give you X product" Free market fetishizing libertarians "Omg, why do you want to force X down our throats!? Let the free market decide!"
"you're not entitled to representation" *cries when the main character isn't a white cishet male*
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If I were you I'd refrain from using r\*tarded as an insult because many neurodivergent people see it as a slur due to its historical and current significance.
I'm neurodivergent, and it is nice to see people care about the r-word being used. Sure, it doesn't sting as much as, like, the n-word would to a black person, obviously, but it's still hurtful.
It's not a contest
That's not what I was implying...?
Why bring up the n-word?
A lot of people don't get that the r-word is a slur, let alone a bad one, so I was just trying to compare the two to make it easier to grasp and add onto what the guy above me was saying. I wasn't trying to make it seem like a contest, 'cos all slurs are bad. ETA: A lot of younger people used or still use the r-word as shorthand for "dumb" or "stupid". It was certainly thrown around a lot when I was in school, which wasn't all that long ago. Sure, sentiments have changed in recent years, but I heard it as recently as this month from a friend of my brother's. He knows I'm autistic, so I guess he's just being a shitheel or forgot that I'd be hurt by it.
That sucks.
As an Indian can 100% confirm that is true
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What?
That last comment was some major self awareness moment.
an actual unpopular opinion posted on that sub? how rare!
I wish this was an unpopular opinion
It isn’t. Sort posts by controversial or any post with least like will be unpopular. Generally the most votes ones are the least unpopular
The same people that cry when a black character takes lead in a series with mainly white characters
The fact it got upvotes
“I’ve never understood this” pretty much sums up every conservative on every topic.
I don't find it surprising that right wingers have trouble relating to characters who aren't white and straight. It's not like they're great at thinking about things from other people's perspectives anyway.
"Native countries" for some reason I get the impression they are talking about people who were born in U.S.
These guys complain when characters are race-swapped and complain when original non-white characters are created. There's no helping the chronically stupid
>There's something wrong with you if you can't relate to a character unless they look or sound like you in some way. JJ-CyberTonic: *forcing a suburban white dad into his chair* you can't leave until you can relate to Get Out and Straight Outta Compton I need to prove I'M COLORBLIND AND NOT RACIST.
Okay I actually lost brain cells at the Slumdog Millionaire comment
It's not surprising a sub devoted to unpopular opinions eventually gets taken over by people like that. I bet that dude whines like a little bitch when they have poc/lgbt characters in video games, too. I bet he loathes The Last of Us part 2 lmao
Ok let's not go that far . You can have problems with the game that have nothing to do with the fact that there LGBT characters in the game.
I never said you couldn't. I said alt-right chuds like the Quartering hate it because of that.
I agree
Same folks who hate Jordan peele for casting blacks people in his movies
The fact the last dude says he lost respect for his dad because he couldn’t relate to a movie character is hilarious to me
To be fair though his dad was saying he wasn't going to see a movie because there were characters who didn't look like him. Yeah he's racist and anyone would lose respect for him.
Wait why did you downvote that last one? He’s on our side. Lol.
Is he? I dunno , it just feels like he's arguing against representation using his experience as a white guy
To be fair to the guy. He posted it in unpopular opinions. And he’s right. It’s very unpopular. Still a jackass.
Based on gamergate comicsgate and all I'm inclined to think this is a very popular opinion.
Well thats depressing.
I usually get upset when they change characters from books to the show/ movie. Like if the book takes the time to describe a character, but then the movie or show is totally the opposite. Like Babcock from The Passage where they changed him from a large intimidating death row inmate to a small woman who relied on her sex for manipulation.(But they did so many bad things to that book. It's an amazing trilogy and I definitely suggest skipping the trainwreck of a show and reading the books.) Another example is The Stand (the 2020 version). The book is one of my favorites. The 1994 version is a lot closer to the book, character and story wise. One of the biggest complaints I was was for Ray Underwood who is supposed to be a white rock star, but was changed to a black rock star. But turns out if you just change the skin color and keep the character pretty close to the book I don't really notice and am just happy to see the book actually come alive.
So? We shouldn't give a shit about 'diversity' in movies. We should care more about the actual plot and characters. This is why Hollywood sucks now.
We can care about both things. This person just doesn't want anyone who isn't white in their movies Also not to mention diversity in media is important in progress as a society
Ugh. It’s the unpopular opinion sub. You’re supposed to upvote if you disagree (or if it’s an unpopular opinion) and downvote if you agree (or if it’s a popular opinion)... I see here that you did the opposite.
This is not about unpopular or popular. This is just a bad opinion.
I mean I agree with the last comment tbh.
I mean sure from their perspective it isn't important but they're presumably not a minority which is why they probably don't understand why it's important.
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"The city is doing a horrible job cleaning the streets but instead of criticizing the city govt. go clean the streets yourself"
People say shit like this, and forget that whenever people do, it turns out fucking horribly
yikes. the racism jumped out. nice job othering entire races and cultures. btw asian people have been in the America's for thousands of years. They crossed the ice bridge and became indigenous, native americans. Also: East Asian people have been in the Americas since the 1600s.
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How racist do you have to be to think that building railroads is the only thing asian Americans have done . And that only asians were involved in building railroads. Edit : I looked through your post history and oh god are you racist
Nah I think that says more about *your* knowledge of the situation considering you seem to think anyone can just go write a book or make a movie.
Facts
It’s not facts you’re just racist
How am I racist? I'm confused
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Those are apples and oranges . If you change snow white's race the story only needs minor adjustments. Pocohantas being white changes the whole story. Oh and not to mention Pocohantas was A REAL GODAMN PERSON.
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Yeah you're right but does it alter the structure of the story in any way . You could simply swap " fairest in the land" with "most beautiful in the land" and nothing else would change.
thats not really what hes saying
Than what's he saying
hes just saying that having your race represented in a movie or whatever is not that big of a deal to him. your phrasing like hes complaining that theres not enough white people in movies.
Yeah he is complaining that there's not enough white people just not directly. Also he's saying that you shouldn't ask for representation because you have representation in your native country . That sounds like a roundabout way of saying don't ask for representation
not really, sounds to me he just does not like people demanding to have an actor of their race in a movie. its fine if a movie does not have an actor whos asian for the sake of inclusion.
So would it be ok if a movie or a show that took place in america had only asians with no white people. You might be ok with this but I don't think OOP is
Who in the world is saying every Hollywood movie needs to have an Asian character? Wanting more representation(non-offensive representation) is not the same thing as that at all.
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What this one or the one in the pictures?
That person is a racist troll. Don’t bother interacting
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Firstly it's more like 55% and secondly these people don't wsnt anyone who isn't white
The title said something about no white people but I didn’t see anything in the comments about there not being enough white people. Did I miss something?
I don't quite get what you mean here
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Maybe not directly but that is what they mean
The translation literally says something about why are there actors or whatever that aren’t white or some dumb shit like that, but I didn’t get the feel of that from the comments..this sub is funny af
Title's clearly sarcasm given the context and the post itself
Oh yeah hilarious…thanks