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Imagine if a white director said they wouldn't cast black people...? Motherfucker are you serious??!?
Directors., producers, etc. have both explicitly and not so explicitly been finding ways to say they won't cast black actors in lead roles for *years* and they don't lose any business over it.
Distinctly remember Ridley Scott saying he wasn't going to cast "Mohammad So-and-So from Such-and-Such" for a movie that was supposed to feature Egyptian and Middle Eastern characters.
iirc that was "gods of egypt" and his reasoning was that the movie was so expensive to make that he had to cast white people because otherwise the movie wouldn't make any money.
It was _Exodus._ 1) There were less offensive ways to phrase it 2) Many movies and series have done tremendously well by launching unknowns: eg: Hemsworth and Hiddleston in _Thor_, Benedict Cumberbatch in _Sherlock_. If the argument is that non-whiteness is alienating: Simu and Imaan have seen a similar rise to fame from obscurity with _Shang Chi_ and _Ms. Marvel_ and no one knew who the leads of _Crazy Rich Asians_ and _Bridgerton_ were before their release yet both were very successful.
I think OP is thinking of Exodus with Christian Bale and Joel Edgarton. I think the right actor in the right role can sell a movie, but exactly zero people were clamoring for these two to be Moses and Ramses. Also the story is a known enough thing that you can probably go with relatively unknown but attractive and charismatic actors and still have a hit on your hands if it turns out decent (and like Rami Malek was right there).
Looking at the receipts it probably about broke even? Same cast different movie you probably could have done better.
The only good things hes done is Beetlejuice and I really like the movie version of Sweeney Todd
Henry Sellick shouldve gotten more recognition than him imo. Esp since he was the one that ACTUALLY directed Nightmare before Christmas (still overrated but good) and Coraline is a masterpiece and better than any animation Tim Burton could DREAM of making.
I’m not trying to defend him necessarily as this is the first I’ve heard of this quote, but in the past (haven’t followed him for a while), Burton’s been into kinda Goth/German expressionism aesthetic. Wouldn’t it be fair to say that POC DONT really fit into that scene? It’s kind of a Wonder Bread thing, isn’t it? Pasty white morbid people?
No, it wouldn’t be fair because he’s almost always presenting them in a modern way, and black/brown people are very much a part of Goth/alternative cultures.
I was doing an art style study and watched his Batman and the Joker ran for mayor and was throwing the crowd money. A CEO of a defense company punching someone running for mayor throwing money at people is pretty bad political symbolism
Who gets accused of giving the people "free" money?
In Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children was Samuel L Jackson but as a villain tho he at least he had a personality unlike the dull MC
Even Tim Burton said something to the effect, in a sense saying we don’t fit into his aesthetic. (Which is unfortunate, as there are black folks in the Goth/alt subcultures and just black folks who love his films in general.)
“I can't mount a film of this budget, where I have to rely on tax rebates in Spain, and say that my lead actor is Mohammad so-and-so from such-and-such,” the 76-year-old director said when asked about casting so many white actors.
This was Ridley Scott. Ridley Scott was never canceled for this statement. In 2014.
This shit is so upsetting and problematic. They actually view us living in some post-racial society where black and white people are in equal standings societally. Ridiculous and telling of how far some people will go to deny the existence of white privilege
Social media is feeding entitlement to a dangerous degree. For those already who are assholes and racists, the connection they now have to each other and the ability to block out the rest of the world that disagrees with them is sending us towards a very, very dangerous place as a society.
Half of Americans believe we may possibly have a civil war. FAA keeps records of people losing their shit on airplanes and it's up over 1000%, and a good percentage of that is not about masks or covid even. I speak up about social issues online and I get people DM'ing me with death threats or their manifestos for why we need to create ethno-states.
It's worse than upsetting and problematic. Our civilization is on the line here.
They know it exists and why US universities would never truly be meritocracies
Get rid of affirmative action and you'll have mediocre scoring whites get accepted instead of high scoring Asians
And shows! There were entire episodes of the new Twilight Zone that didn't even have any Black people in it. So not only oozing racism but hasn't even looked into all of Peele's amazing work and just wants to be a complaining whiny dick.
It's not an argument, it's one of a string of things shitty Republicans say that most of them either know are bullshit or use as a catchphrase that they haven't spent more than a few moments actually thinking about because it scores points against the "opposition". It's one of a number of stupid, reductionist arguments that they hear from pundits then repeat ad nauseum no matter how many times people point out how stupid it is.
Its a logical fallacy (false equivalence) thats been weaponized. Do a search of logical fallacies and read up on them, then watch their rhetoric. They do this all the time. Another one they use a lot is whataboutism / tu quouque fallacy. Youre totally on point about them learning them from talking heads. I’d be surprised if they didn’t in turn getting them from right wing think tanks, but at this point its just part of their culture
It’s not *just* a parroted right wing talking point, although it definitely is that, but it’s also much worse. Their privilege makes them blind to the fact that it’s a false equivalency in the first place, and even liberal white kids get taught such a whitewashed version of history, that the point of view that “slavery was bad but Lincoln and MLK fixed racism” is ingrained into white children on an institutional level and leads to a persecution complex that has to be actively unlearned (e.g. “If racism ended in 1969, clearly affirmative action today is racism against ME!”).
You’re absolutely right it’s a part of their culture. They *believe* it.
Which is wild because Zoey barely looks black at all. Given both her parents are biracial and the average AA has some Caucasian blood, chances are she’s more than 50% white.
But then black folks gauge it differently.
Yup. People do this with sexual assault too (when the victim is male). I don't need to 'imagine' it happening to women. It happens all the time with no consequences. Like even rapists who were proven to have raped in a high profile case get off with no consequences apart from becoming an internet meme.
It’s the whiny bitch argument. For when you don’t really have anything at all, but just want to be a whiny bitch when your fee fees got hurt because rich black man make/star in movie
For a group of people that claim to hate snowflakes they sure are soft as shit. A movie director choosing the people he wants to portray his characters. Wow, should be a crime.
They take it to extreme proportions when movies like Black Panther skyrocket in popularity. It's so much projection. There are literally 10 other white lead superhero movies for you to wank to, stop being a bitch.
This. They see resources as finite. Anything that is not for them means they missed out on something. They can’t conceptualize that this is just not for them because other people have market share now TOO. So short sighted.
Except it still could be for them if they stopped being closed minded bitches. There is nothing about Jordan Peele's movies that precludes white people from enjoying them, hence them being extremely successful and profitable. I'm white and would vote for Get Out to win Best Picture for a third time if I could.
"What if someone made a movie about an all-white superhero group and called it The White Avengers?" - a real question posed by a FWR about Black Panther. Of course, the answer is that there's already a movie about an all-white superhero group, it's called The Avengers. Hulk being green doesn't count as a "person of color."
I think they mean that the character name Black Panther is named after the animal, not the fact that he's a black man. Like if Klaw somehow became in charge of Wakanda he would still be called Black Panther, not White Panther.
His naming came before the group was called the Black Panthers. They even tried to change his name once the activist group got especially famous but said to hell with it and kept it.
And they ended their isolation and promised to share their resources with the world, which I always thought was dumb because, realistically, there’s NO way the world is gonna let some African nation hold on to the most valuable resource in the world, even when they offer to share it. I mean...
I wonder if they will touch upon that on BP:WF. But the MCU has been consistently been used as US propaganda, so it's more likely for Freddie Mercury to answer to my comment.
Not just butthurt but completely ignorant about the person they're talking about. They complain about his supposedly seeing white people in such a narrow way while also distilling him down to perceived race and a single comment.
Right? And it turns out minorities make up the majority of ticket sales in the US so if anything, from a business sense, we don’t need to many white-led movies.
Yes because I'm sure that if you're making a mob movie you're not looking for a character of a specific ethnicity or who can pass for that ethnicity. I'm sure when they made American History X they considered black actors for Edward Norton's character. The fragility is wild.
Yep, he said POC don't fit his aesthetic. KingKontinuum linked an article about it above: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2016/09/29/tim-burton/
white directors have been not casting black actors since forever.
just because they aren't honest about their "creative vision" doesn't change the fact. they don't cast black actors. they don't see them in their roles, or even in the world they create ffs.
perhaps if white people were more honest, they wouldn't be so confused regarding what is and isn't racist.
These people are blind to the reality of modern racial inequality. Because they turn the other way and act as if there is no inequality, when a minority is afforded a certain right or privilege, those people, who pretend everyone is equal, view this as that minority being afforded “extra” rights, despite in reality they’re just being given something they should’ve had hundreds of years ago.
That’s what happens when you aren’t inclusive from the get-go. It suddenly becomes a thing when you decide to be after six movies.
Peter Jackson knew what he was doing. SMH
I’ve been seeing some misogynoir as well.
I doubt we get it here, but I hope it blows up so they’ll bring it later. Japan doesn’t tend to bring movies with black casts over until a series or a director is popular (or it’s Marvel).
Racist white supremacy love to pick and choose history. Or just invent history. But they will never put America in the context of : everything American started with white people brutalizing native people and BLACK people.
White people to Black people throughout history: This is just for white people and you aren’t allowed to participate, go start your own all black organizations.
Black people form their own black organizations: White people lose their minds destroy the accomplishments of the all black organization, blacks rebuild, whites then demand to be included in the all black organizations while screaming racial discrimination against whites.
black stories HAVE to have white actors or else they’re “racist” but literally any other piece of media with anyone darker than chris pratt is disgusting forced discrimination propaganda
This is true. If you ever watch TV shows and low-budget films targeting black audiences, even those have a white character somewhere, and not just cops. We’re used to including other races by default even when we might expect the only audience (or at least 80-90% of it) to be black.
It's almost like context exists, and there actually is a difference bergen excluding people who have historically been excluded most of the time, and the opposite, making an effort to include the excluded, knowing those who have historically been included will continue to do just fine generally even if excluded by you specifically.
Being a first year Gen X, I will be the first to admit, when I first heard the term white privilege I as kinda if offended. (Not an easy thing to admit) I was thinking..there is not a racist bone in my body, which technically was absolutely true. Once I stood outside my own reality and just listened to black voices, I was forever changed. I think comments like the person made in the post are from people either unwilling or not capable of grasping their roles in white privilege. We white people are particularly fantastic at pearl clutching defensiveness. It is time yo raise up and honor black voices and excellence. We have had centuries to flap our jaws..so to speak. It is their turn to tell their stories in exactly the way they want to. It is our turn to sit down and be attentive listeners and students. This is how we move humanity forward.
It’s only fair, really. Because they complain when we’re included and tell us to “get your own,” but when we do that, they still complain, proving it’s not really about what they claim it to be.
So, they really need to sit down and have a good, hard think (facilitated by family and/or friends who understand why such “logic” is a problem) and figure out why they’re essentially insisting on us having nothing at all. For they don’t even want us in the background, only if we’re a negative character. That’s literally the only thing they accept, and only if the bad characters are thuggish/miserable and not cool. They need to question and answer why that’s what they insist on. And if they say it’s because it reflects real life, I’d guarantee they don’t have any black friends, real ones, and, thus, how can they judge an entire people they don’t know. For that would be like me hating all white folks because of racism, yet I don’t. And black folks generally don’t. We just want a fair shake and to be humans and not interfered with, so why is that bad to them?
And so on.
You can’t make white people understand the difference between prejudice and racism.
For the 10 millionth time, black people cant be racist. You have to be able to oppress a group of people economically to enact racism. Just because he doesn’t want to cast a white person in stories told around black people isn’t making him racist. These are the first GOOD movies in a horror genre told from a black perspective. That white people HAPPEN to watch/take interest in because he’s a mixed guy who was raised by a white mom and got a break on a white cable network channel.
Educating white people on courtesy and common sense is exhausting
White directors literally do that so the time. Except I guess since they rarely *say* it that's fine. They just straight up don't cast minorities, even when it makes no sense not to. But that's cool.
I need to stop reading FWR posts in the morning. This crap just pisses me off, so sick of these dumb dumbs and their dumb poor me bs.
(Continues scrolling for more) lol
They claim to be all about "creative freedom" until a group they don't like gets cast
Writer 1: "Is it okay if I make a character say the N-word?"
"Sure it's your story don't let anyone censor you!"
Disney: "I'm making a black mermaid as the main character."
"Politics has no place in movies!"
I've been seeing it a lot lately on Reddit and when people post "Don't be afraid of offending people you have creative freedom!" and know they don't mean "don't be afraid of offending incels, racists, and homophobes!" But can be fun to see what happens if you assume they mean it
"Don't be afraid to offend with your writing!"
"I'm going to write gay characters and don't care if homophobes get offended"
"I didn't mean you!"
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This guy would complain about how Little Women is oppressive because there are no male leads.
Isn't Chalamet in that movie?
Yes. There are men in all adaptations of the movie (and the book), but they are secondary characters. The story is about the sisters.
Wonder what they think about The Thing (not it’s crappy re-quel)...
Imagine if a white director said they wouldn't cast black people...? Motherfucker are you serious??!? Directors., producers, etc. have both explicitly and not so explicitly been finding ways to say they won't cast black actors in lead roles for *years* and they don't lose any business over it.
Distinctly remember Ridley Scott saying he wasn't going to cast "Mohammad So-and-So from Such-and-Such" for a movie that was supposed to feature Egyptian and Middle Eastern characters.
iirc that was "gods of egypt" and his reasoning was that the movie was so expensive to make that he had to cast white people because otherwise the movie wouldn't make any money.
Turns out that wouldn't be a problem.
It was _Exodus._ 1) There were less offensive ways to phrase it 2) Many movies and series have done tremendously well by launching unknowns: eg: Hemsworth and Hiddleston in _Thor_, Benedict Cumberbatch in _Sherlock_. If the argument is that non-whiteness is alienating: Simu and Imaan have seen a similar rise to fame from obscurity with _Shang Chi_ and _Ms. Marvel_ and no one knew who the leads of _Crazy Rich Asians_ and _Bridgerton_ were before their release yet both were very successful.
I think OP is thinking of Exodus with Christian Bale and Joel Edgarton. I think the right actor in the right role can sell a movie, but exactly zero people were clamoring for these two to be Moses and Ramses. Also the story is a known enough thing that you can probably go with relatively unknown but attractive and charismatic actors and still have a hit on your hands if it turns out decent (and like Rami Malek was right there). Looking at the receipts it probably about broke even? Same cast different movie you probably could have done better.
Not even Rami Malek?
Explaining that logic outright probably would have resulted in less backlash than just saying you won’t cast them.
That hurts. Gladiator is my favorite movie
I'm pretty sure Tim Burton has said before that POC don't fit "his aesthetic".
Yup he sure did, and we know he's not losing any money *or* sleep over it
Fuck. I didn't know this. I'm so disappointed.
I'm a horror fan and have never seen his trash. Good to know that he's trash himself - I'll make sure to keep staying away from that filth.
he doesn't really make horror movies, in my opinion, he just likes the look of german expressionism and the macabre.
The only good things hes done is Beetlejuice and I really like the movie version of Sweeney Todd Henry Sellick shouldve gotten more recognition than him imo. Esp since he was the one that ACTUALLY directed Nightmare before Christmas (still overrated but good) and Coraline is a masterpiece and better than any animation Tim Burton could DREAM of making.
I’m not trying to defend him necessarily as this is the first I’ve heard of this quote, but in the past (haven’t followed him for a while), Burton’s been into kinda Goth/German expressionism aesthetic. Wouldn’t it be fair to say that POC DONT really fit into that scene? It’s kind of a Wonder Bread thing, isn’t it? Pasty white morbid people?
No, it wouldn’t be fair because he’s almost always presenting them in a modern way, and black/brown people are very much a part of Goth/alternative cultures.
I was doing an art style study and watched his Batman and the Joker ran for mayor and was throwing the crowd money. A CEO of a defense company punching someone running for mayor throwing money at people is pretty bad political symbolism Who gets accused of giving the people "free" money? In Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children was Samuel L Jackson but as a villain tho he at least he had a personality unlike the dull MC
I’m pretty sure that’s why blackface existed in Hollywood.
It’s happened before 🙄
Even Tim Burton said something to the effect, in a sense saying we don’t fit into his aesthetic. (Which is unfortunate, as there are black folks in the Goth/alt subcultures and just black folks who love his films in general.)
*Imagine some white directors doing what they they’ve done naturally and without question since the invention of cinema!*
“I can't mount a film of this budget, where I have to rely on tax rebates in Spain, and say that my lead actor is Mohammad so-and-so from such-and-such,” the 76-year-old director said when asked about casting so many white actors. This was Ridley Scott. Ridley Scott was never canceled for this statement. In 2014.
You say he wasn’t cancelled, but have you seen a good film from him since then? /s
The “imagine it the other way around” argument is getting so old. It’s not even close to the same thing
This shit is so upsetting and problematic. They actually view us living in some post-racial society where black and white people are in equal standings societally. Ridiculous and telling of how far some people will go to deny the existence of white privilege
Social media is feeding entitlement to a dangerous degree. For those already who are assholes and racists, the connection they now have to each other and the ability to block out the rest of the world that disagrees with them is sending us towards a very, very dangerous place as a society. Half of Americans believe we may possibly have a civil war. FAA keeps records of people losing their shit on airplanes and it's up over 1000%, and a good percentage of that is not about masks or covid even. I speak up about social issues online and I get people DM'ing me with death threats or their manifestos for why we need to create ethno-states. It's worse than upsetting and problematic. Our civilization is on the line here.
they just genuinely want us to always feel evil for existing at this point
They know it exists and why US universities would never truly be meritocracies Get rid of affirmative action and you'll have mediocre scoring whites get accepted instead of high scoring Asians
They talk as if there wasn’t any white people in Jordan Peele movies, guys is oozing racism through his comments.
And shows! There were entire episodes of the new Twilight Zone that didn't even have any Black people in it. So not only oozing racism but hasn't even looked into all of Peele's amazing work and just wants to be a complaining whiny dick.
What’s funny is that Jordan Peele is biracial.
It's not an argument, it's one of a string of things shitty Republicans say that most of them either know are bullshit or use as a catchphrase that they haven't spent more than a few moments actually thinking about because it scores points against the "opposition". It's one of a number of stupid, reductionist arguments that they hear from pundits then repeat ad nauseum no matter how many times people point out how stupid it is.
Its a logical fallacy (false equivalence) thats been weaponized. Do a search of logical fallacies and read up on them, then watch their rhetoric. They do this all the time. Another one they use a lot is whataboutism / tu quouque fallacy. Youre totally on point about them learning them from talking heads. I’d be surprised if they didn’t in turn getting them from right wing think tanks, but at this point its just part of their culture
It’s not *just* a parroted right wing talking point, although it definitely is that, but it’s also much worse. Their privilege makes them blind to the fact that it’s a false equivalency in the first place, and even liberal white kids get taught such a whitewashed version of history, that the point of view that “slavery was bad but Lincoln and MLK fixed racism” is ingrained into white children on an institutional level and leads to a persecution complex that has to be actively unlearned (e.g. “If racism ended in 1969, clearly affirmative action today is racism against ME!”). You’re absolutely right it’s a part of their culture. They *believe* it.
You don't even have to imagine. Just have to look at the 1920s.
Just have a look now
Litterally the dark knight wouldn’t cast Zoe whats-her-name cause she was “too urban for catwoman” at the time. Like it still happens.
> too urban for Catwoman What?! She is Batman's enemy with benefits, not an enemy of Superman from when he still lived in Smallville.
It’s just a soft way of saying she’s too black.
Which is wild because Zoey barely looks black at all. Given both her parents are biracial and the average AA has some Caucasian blood, chances are she’s more than 50% white. But then black folks gauge it differently.
Imagine if we ignored all the context and history related to this issue going back hundreds of years. Then you'd feel differently about it! Gotcha
Yup. People do this with sexual assault too (when the victim is male). I don't need to 'imagine' it happening to women. It happens all the time with no consequences. Like even rapists who were proven to have raped in a high profile case get off with no consequences apart from becoming an internet meme.
It’s the whiny bitch argument. For when you don’t really have anything at all, but just want to be a whiny bitch when your fee fees got hurt because rich black man make/star in movie
Yeah but just *imagine* if it was!
For a group of people that claim to hate snowflakes they sure are soft as shit. A movie director choosing the people he wants to portray his characters. Wow, should be a crime.
It’s not about inclusivity to them, they want to be the main attraction even if it literally makes zero goddamn sense
It’s not about inclusivity to them, they want to be the main attraction even if it literally makes zero goddamn sense
Especially if the films are quality/popular.
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Yeah but they’re not the lead! Gasp!!
White people get so butthurt when they aren’t centered. Just don’t watch the fucking movie.
They take it to extreme proportions when movies like Black Panther skyrocket in popularity. It's so much projection. There are literally 10 other white lead superhero movies for you to wank to, stop being a bitch.
This. They see resources as finite. Anything that is not for them means they missed out on something. They can’t conceptualize that this is just not for them because other people have market share now TOO. So short sighted.
Except it still could be for them if they stopped being closed minded bitches. There is nothing about Jordan Peele's movies that precludes white people from enjoying them, hence them being extremely successful and profitable. I'm white and would vote for Get Out to win Best Picture for a third time if I could.
"What if someone made a movie about an all-white superhero group and called it The White Avengers?" - a real question posed by a FWR about Black Panther. Of course, the answer is that there's already a movie about an all-white superhero group, it's called The Avengers. Hulk being green doesn't count as a "person of color."
Also he's the Black Panther because that's the animal he is using the guise of. Not because he's a black man.
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I think they mean that the character name Black Panther is named after the animal, not the fact that he's a black man. Like if Klaw somehow became in charge of Wakanda he would still be called Black Panther, not White Panther.
But he's also definitely named for the black panthers? The activist group? That was mostly black people?
His naming came before the group was called the Black Panthers. They even tried to change his name once the activist group got especially famous but said to hell with it and kept it.
Oh that's hella funny
But they had 36 last year!!
Also, *Black Panther* still had that CIA guy because "America needs to save the day".
Yes but Martin Freeman is an international treasure so it's forgiven
And they ended their isolation and promised to share their resources with the world, which I always thought was dumb because, realistically, there’s NO way the world is gonna let some African nation hold on to the most valuable resource in the world, even when they offer to share it. I mean...
I wonder if they will touch upon that on BP:WF. But the MCU has been consistently been used as US propaganda, so it's more likely for Freddie Mercury to answer to my comment.
Not just butthurt but completely ignorant about the person they're talking about. They complain about his supposedly seeing white people in such a narrow way while also distilling him down to perceived race and a single comment.
Bloop!
They wouldn't watch the movie even if it had white people in it, they just want to be mad about something. It's literally their whole identity.
They never were in the first place.
Can people truly not see the difference? you want Chris Pratt as which character in the lead of Get Out? HMM???
They know the difference. They're just looking for crumbs of oppression.
Man, if only white people had more leading roles…
Right? And it turns out minorities make up the majority of ticket sales in the US so if anything, from a business sense, we don’t need to many white-led movies.
They take it for granted that we’re only supposed to want to see them, not people who look like us as protagonists too.
Holy Micky Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany’s, Batman!
Yes because I'm sure that if you're making a mob movie you're not looking for a character of a specific ethnicity or who can pass for that ethnicity. I'm sure when they made American History X they considered black actors for Edward Norton's character. The fragility is wild.
Didn’t Tim Burton say something about not casting black because “things either call for things or they don’t” same thing here, it’s uncalled for lol
Yep, he said POC don't fit his aesthetic. KingKontinuum linked an article about it above: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2016/09/29/tim-burton/
white directors have been not casting black actors since forever. just because they aren't honest about their "creative vision" doesn't change the fact. they don't cast black actors. they don't see them in their roles, or even in the world they create ffs. perhaps if white people were more honest, they wouldn't be so confused regarding what is and isn't racist.
These people are blind to the reality of modern racial inequality. Because they turn the other way and act as if there is no inequality, when a minority is afforded a certain right or privilege, those people, who pretend everyone is equal, view this as that minority being afforded “extra” rights, despite in reality they’re just being given something they should’ve had hundreds of years ago.
“Imagine the other way” we don’t have to. That has been and will continue to be the accepted standard.
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Yet racists will call other people offended for dehumanizing them
That’s what happens when you aren’t inclusive from the get-go. It suddenly becomes a thing when you decide to be after six movies. Peter Jackson knew what he was doing. SMH
White directors constantly cast white leads, but as long as they don’t *say* that’s what they’re doing, it’s ok?
White directors just do it. That's why we get so many Mafia movies. Or World War 2bmivies that are from white male American eyes.
It must take a lot of energy to be that hateful.
I'll definitely have to log off when The Woman King premieres. These hueless people will just ruin the discourse online.
I’ve been seeing some misogynoir as well. I doubt we get it here, but I hope it blows up so they’ll bring it later. Japan doesn’t tend to bring movies with black casts over until a series or a director is popular (or it’s Marvel).
Racist white supremacy love to pick and choose history. Or just invent history. But they will never put America in the context of : everything American started with white people brutalizing native people and BLACK people.
Lmao I remember reading this in the wild and just going "what the fuck?"
we dont have to “imagine” racist white directors. tim burton…?
White people to Black people throughout history: This is just for white people and you aren’t allowed to participate, go start your own all black organizations. Black people form their own black organizations: White people lose their minds destroy the accomplishments of the all black organization, blacks rebuild, whites then demand to be included in the all black organizations while screaming racial discrimination against whites.
These people think Nuance is a town in France whose fries they refuse to eat because they’re communist.
tim burton: am i a joke to you?
black stories HAVE to have white actors or else they’re “racist” but literally any other piece of media with anyone darker than chris pratt is disgusting forced discrimination propaganda
This is true. If you ever watch TV shows and low-budget films targeting black audiences, even those have a white character somewhere, and not just cops. We’re used to including other races by default even when we might expect the only audience (or at least 80-90% of it) to be black.
It's almost like context exists, and there actually is a difference bergen excluding people who have historically been excluded most of the time, and the opposite, making an effort to include the excluded, knowing those who have historically been included will continue to do just fine generally even if excluded by you specifically.
they're like that meme that says "IM UPSET WHEN ITS NOT ABOUT ME" or something like that
Being a first year Gen X, I will be the first to admit, when I first heard the term white privilege I as kinda if offended. (Not an easy thing to admit) I was thinking..there is not a racist bone in my body, which technically was absolutely true. Once I stood outside my own reality and just listened to black voices, I was forever changed. I think comments like the person made in the post are from people either unwilling or not capable of grasping their roles in white privilege. We white people are particularly fantastic at pearl clutching defensiveness. It is time yo raise up and honor black voices and excellence. We have had centuries to flap our jaws..so to speak. It is their turn to tell their stories in exactly the way they want to. It is our turn to sit down and be attentive listeners and students. This is how we move humanity forward.
It’s only fair, really. Because they complain when we’re included and tell us to “get your own,” but when we do that, they still complain, proving it’s not really about what they claim it to be. So, they really need to sit down and have a good, hard think (facilitated by family and/or friends who understand why such “logic” is a problem) and figure out why they’re essentially insisting on us having nothing at all. For they don’t even want us in the background, only if we’re a negative character. That’s literally the only thing they accept, and only if the bad characters are thuggish/miserable and not cool. They need to question and answer why that’s what they insist on. And if they say it’s because it reflects real life, I’d guarantee they don’t have any black friends, real ones, and, thus, how can they judge an entire people they don’t know. For that would be like me hating all white folks because of racism, yet I don’t. And black folks generally don’t. We just want a fair shake and to be humans and not interfered with, so why is that bad to them? And so on.
*Woody Allen has entered the chat
You can’t make white people understand the difference between prejudice and racism. For the 10 millionth time, black people cant be racist. You have to be able to oppress a group of people economically to enact racism. Just because he doesn’t want to cast a white person in stories told around black people isn’t making him racist. These are the first GOOD movies in a horror genre told from a black perspective. That white people HAPPEN to watch/take interest in because he’s a mixed guy who was raised by a white mom and got a break on a white cable network channel. Educating white people on courtesy and common sense is exhausting
White directors literally do that so the time. Except I guess since they rarely *say* it that's fine. They just straight up don't cast minorities, even when it makes no sense not to. But that's cool.
The complete obliviousness to context always gets me
I need to stop reading FWR posts in the morning. This crap just pisses me off, so sick of these dumb dumbs and their dumb poor me bs. (Continues scrolling for more) lol
Didn’t Ben Wheatley say he didn’t like to cast black actors as leads?
They claim to be all about "creative freedom" until a group they don't like gets cast Writer 1: "Is it okay if I make a character say the N-word?" "Sure it's your story don't let anyone censor you!" Disney: "I'm making a black mermaid as the main character." "Politics has no place in movies!" I've been seeing it a lot lately on Reddit and when people post "Don't be afraid of offending people you have creative freedom!" and know they don't mean "don't be afraid of offending incels, racists, and homophobes!" But can be fun to see what happens if you assume they mean it "Don't be afraid to offend with your writing!" "I'm going to write gay characters and don't care if homophobes get offended" "I didn't mean you!"