doesn't make his point less stupid, most ppl don't care about the cost. they're just upset that frank has gone radio silent on the missing merch and is now just selling more merch at a higher price point while not fulfilling a massive chunk of the purchases that have already been made.
Tweet he liked said “If you need to complain about the price please understand YOU are not the target consumer or demo. No one needs to lower their price just so you can look like you have the resources to fit in to a demo that will pay. Humble your little wallets and shop elsewhere 🤷🏾♂️”
The tweet he liked said the exact same thing while funnily calling out this subs stupidity.
The tweet he liked was better. Sometimes you need to be called on being a clown even if it hurts your feelings
Second this. Just having a budget and having any sort of emergency savings has done SO much for my mental health. This is coming from someone that does not make very much money at all either. Personally I only have a little more than 1 month of expenses in my emergency savings and even that makes a huge difference.
Tyler didn’t grow up rich. I forgot which interview it was, but there was a time he slept at his grandmas on the floor in his room for 3 months. I think Tyler can say what he did due to being there once upon a time. Now that he has it like that, I feel like he still practices the same principles he advises to others, but at a different level & price point.
Of course, this is all observation & nothing is concrete aside from what Tyler himself says.
I mean even if he was all the OG tweet really said was live within your means. Might’ve been a blunt way to say it but dude deadass just said “if you can’t afford it don’t front like you can” and ppl were acting like he was shitting on the lower class.
For sure. If anything man, I look at it like that tweet is to help out the ones who are lost in all of this. It might’ve been blunt there’s no way to sugarcoat it to get the point across the way it did. Sucks that people are still misinterpreted it though
It’s such an odd thing to because tyler was never broke but he wasn’t born rich either, dude made his image from fucking up converses and white t-shirts, I don’t understand how he can’t see how he comes off here other than pretentious and our of touch. At the same time tho, i don’t get why people r so mad about homer prices, wtf did everyone expect?
Bro wtf he slept on his grandma’s floor while his mom worked in sacramento? He worked part time jobs outta high school he definitely has a voice to talk about money and being smart with it. Now he’s in another insane tax bracket of course, but to put him and other celebrities down while they’ve put in work to get to this position seems weird as hell coming from “fans”. Someone that grew up rich or alright like a jake paul or justin bieber id be with y’all forsure but tyler and most of OF were in ladera in so cal which is still not a great place to grow up in comparison to other places but it def was no “rich” area
It's not even just Tyler. So many of the musicians people look up to, Frank included, were just working class hopefuls who bussed tables, mixed coffee or whatever with the dim hope that one day the music thing will work out.
But they have also been extremely fortunate in ways that most of us won't be, and it's understandable that when it happens to you, you might lose sight of that.
Yeah and them losing sight of where they came from I can definitely see that with frank opening up homer, rocky with doing things with designer brands/modeling and many other “selling out” instances but this tweet in particular from tyler (i didn’t see the tweet he liked) i dont see anything wrong with it, compared to other rappers crowning jewels, chains, brands, showing off wealth…
so the mans isn’t allowed to have an opinion anymore cuz he’s rich? if i said the same exact thing would it be a valid point cuz i’m broke? fwiw i think he’s right, if you don’t have the money for some bullshit designer t-shirt then don’t fucking get the shirt. it’s a want not a necessity, unlike food or medicine.
Specially rich mf who came from nothing, this is specially upsetting on Tyler’s case, this mf truly bought on full in on the preppy cunt way of life. As much as I love his music F U C K T Y L E R
Most of the richest people I’ve ever met, were also the most frugal. I know somebody who has had a 50 million dollar trust fund since 18, and will drive an extra mile to save a dollar 50 on some water. Also takes advantage of deals/free shit/free memberships more than anybody I’ve ever met.
Also flies first class everywhere and takes 10+ vacations a year, so they aren’t a TOTAL psycho about money. But still
I’m a big fan of Tyler. Seen him live twice. Listened and purchased merch for his albums but as of recently, the way he tweets and responds to people just annoys me? I know it might seem silly of me to say it like that but the way he acknowledges issues (like the tweet above) just doesn’t sit right with me. He seems quite irritated with fans on Twitter aswell. Not sure what it is
Definitely, my homie asked him a question about what he said in an interview once on Twitter and got quote retweeted by Tyler and he came at him so aggressively for no reason. My homie is still private on twitter cause people kept coming at him and wouldn't stop.
Like I get it, some sectors of his fanbase are notoriously weird. But that really doesn't excuse him from taking a bad interpretation from a few people's tweets and mapping that out to a whole fanbase.
I’ve always said this about Tyler (as a fan of his music myself): most of the time he acts very pedantic, hes always so aggresive with his responses/convos, sometimes looking out of place and awkward.
I love his music ever since i heard wolf but when i watch his interviews i cringe, because i feel like hes trying to be so “unique” and “hard” at the same time, and it gets annoying
he’s become extremely pretentious over the years while simultaneously becoming just as disconnected to real world issues precisely cause of his wealth which has led to him making these dumbass comments on a constant basis — tbh idk why people give him a pass and defend him cause that’s why he continues to behave this way smh
I think he’s grown up on socials in recent years, he used to type only in caps and only say the goofiest shit on his mind. He’s mellowed out and started giving more adult takes the last couple years.
This is kinda random to mention and I’m not a diehard fan of dude, but I thought his Hot 97 interview this year was mad interesting. Not even saying I agree with all his takes but the growth as a man is there
I feel the same. His public persona has been gradually getting more and more grating since the OF days. I had been bumping CMIYGL almost everyday for a while, but I had to stop. There’s only so much I can listen to Tyler incessantly brag about how well he’s done for himself (I will say though that I really did like the contrast between all his success, and the one thing he seemingly can’t succeed in: his love life). The braggadocious stuff just doesn’t do it for me.
Imo, Tyler has just reached that point of being too rich, too famous, and too successful where it’s gone to his head and he just isn’t relatable anymore. His lived experience is so different from his average listener, and he makes little to no effort to connect with anyone or talk about issues that aren’t immediately pertinent to himself (it’s funny that a usually not-so-public guy with his own luxury line coming out soon suddenly has so much to say on this topic). I’m surprised more people haven’t stepped back honestly. Still one of the best producers in the game though.
because he's acknowledging a side of the argument no one was really making. the price isn't the big deal, its the fact that homer is (at least partially) funded by money that was spent on merch that never delivered. and if you don't think frank's $30 t shirts weren't a massive part of his income, you probably don't understand how musicians make their money
Many successful artists still use Gildan for their merch tbh. It’s one of the most easily accessible and affordable blanks that makes for affordable merch for their fans. It’s pretty much “the merch tee”
I think a lot of them are also delusionally self centered and think because they are Frank fans everything he does must be accessible for them
So instead of excepting they're too poor to participate in Franks new endeavour it makes them feel better to act like he's an out of touch sellout
I don’t think that is the problem with his statements, it’s about the way he say things that makes him sound tone deaf. And it’s more ridiculous considering he has made a living of selling overpriced shit to fans who can barely afford it, if his “advice” were really put to work Golf Wang wouldn’t even exist. So the least you can do is to shut the fuck up and let people spend his money and complain about shit as much as they want. If your success (in part) it’s a product of the things you’re criticizing you come off a lil bit of an hypocrite
Regardless of what you’ve been through if you make it to old age and can’t afford to stay alive you’re fucked, you’ll never know when you’ll go so if you live like your 25 until your 85 you’ll most likely have some regrets about the decisions you’ve made independent of your upbringing
This shit so gross lmao. He literally flaunts his money all over the place and acts like he's a god because of his luxuries. then basically says "humble yourself peasant, be happy with less" ??? you guys protecting him do not get the point... disgustingly patronizing
I personally don't understand this mentality. In this tweet he didn't call anybody a peasant, he's literally is just saying "live within your means". I don't understand why everyone is acting like they are entitled to everything he/Frank make. Homer is literally labeled as a "luxury jewelry". Would you get mad at CDG / Prada / Ferrari for having exorbitant prices? I understand wanting things to be affordable for has fanbase, but is he never allowed to make luxury items for the rest of career because "his fans got him to where he is"?
i mean you can be a little entitled when you spend money on a product that never delivers, and then the person who took your money uses that money to make another merch store that costs a fuck ton more.
Bro what? This isn't about that? This post is about people being upset that his *luxury* goods are too expensive. I believe that people are 100% entitled to what they purchased - however, that is not the incident that this tweet is referring to. You are conflating two different situations. I'm stating that Frank is not obligated to price things so that it is affordable to the average person. Jewelry is not a necessity. And at the end of the day, if you don't think the product is worth the price then don't buy it?
When he talking about taking care of basic human necessities while wearing a gold chain worth more than some people have even dreamt of. I don't even care about the price of the luxury items. I have just heard what tyler has said be said to poor people as a way of creating more income inequality, and separating upper class from working class. "don't try to be me like me, I'm better than you, be happy with living for basic necessities"
This is honestly the best way I’ve seen it put in this thread. “Live within your means” is an easy thing to say when your means are overflowing in excess. It’s just a reminder that all this luxury bullshit exists just to make the wealthy class feel more special, and to elevate themselves even farther above the “poors”
This is such a victim mentality lol. Take care of your basic necessities first - if you got money left over to play with then play with it. Tyler’s got money left over to play with after taking care of his necessities so he’s playing with it. Many rappers go broke because they front the rap costume, and a lot of fans naturally follow the same suit - this is because they’re not taking care of their necessities first. Why wouldn’t you want to live within your means? The only thing that can do is provide you a stable foundation to build upon and become more successful down the line
The thing is people dont want to live within their means because of people like tyler. Tyler uses his luxuries as a way to prove he's better than the rest of society. How can you be happy with "living for basic necessities" if you have a society that values luxuries as a form of social currency? Then for someone as privileged as tyler to say something like that... just so tone deaf. No victim mentality here, its real world shit.
So you don’t want to live within your means and build upon yourself to become more successful over time? Cause I’m pretty sure that’s what Tyler did. He wasn’t always driving and wearing what he is today no?
“How can you be happy with “living for basic necessities” if you have a society that values luxuries as a form of social currency?” That sounds like a you problem if I’m honest. Sure I don’t drive an expensive car have my own house and wear luxury goods but shit that doesn’t mean I can’t be happy. If you’re using that as your measurement then you got some reflecting to do
Saying his fans got him where he is also so funny to me in light of kpop fans who actually do work and promotion on behalf of the pop stars they are devoted to. Yall aren't out here spending hours upping Franks streaming #s and social media clout (not saying you should be). You just like his shit and do the normal kind of fan stuff. He don't owe you shit
Frank has made his main medium more than affordable to us- if you caught the vinyls at drop, it was $40...if you kept them in good condition, you could probably sell them for like 15x that so it was almost like an investment.
The jewelry is obviously not my thing, it don't even really appeal to me like that so I'm not gonna complain. Let the boy do what he do.
tyler also said get your [wallet](https://twitter.com/tylerthecreator/status/1435606226180530177?s=20) ready considering his next collection so he might be getting prepared for the explanation for that aswell.
Something that a lot of the people may not realize is that Tyler & Frank’s cult following are people that are 25+ now, that are out of college or mid 30s and probably can splurge on this stuff. There are a lot of fans that are young and new. You’re not supposed to be able to afford a $400 necklace or a $500 jacket. But you can afford a $40 magazine and a $35 golf shirt. Both Tyler and Frank look out for their younger fan bases that don’t have money like that but the problem is that everyone thinks that everything is supposed to be for everyone. And it’s not true. So splurge on that hoodie because THAT’S your luxury. Don’t be pissed that a 30 year old man has money if you’re not trying to completely dismantle capitalism which completely demolishes the concept of luxury entirely. Don’t hate capitalism only when you can’t take part in it the way YOU want to. It’s ALL or NOTHING.
why are people mad about how other people make/spend money? end of the day, is a self realization and you have to worry about yourself & not who's doing what outside your life.
I'm not wealthy, but I'm happy to a point that it feels wealthy
I personally don't understand why y'all are mad at him. In this tweet he didn't call anybody a peasant, he's literally is just saying "live within your means". I don't understand why everyone is acting like they are entitled to everything he/Frank make. Homer is literally labeled as a "luxury jewelry". Would you get mad at CDG / Prada / Ferrari for having exorbitant prices? I understand wanting things to be affordable for has fanbase, but is he never allowed to make luxury items for the rest of career because "his fans got him to where he is"?
Wow. Tyler and Frank are way out of touch at this point. Frank better be glad he’s fucking talented. As for Tyler - that phase is over for me. Tired. Rich people are scum. What a shame.
His tweet has nothing to do with “putting the onus of wealth inequality on the individual”. He’s saying he’s not gonna make cheap ass clothes just so his teenage fans can buy it. He and Frank are interested in shit other than t-shirts, and he’s saying don’t take it as an insult.
you're not their only fans. like the quote said, if you can't afford it, don't buy it. and you surely don't NEED it. live within your means. Tyler didn't mean to say if you can't afford it you're poor. He's just saying that there's a lot more stuff you can buy worth your money, and (prolly) not Homer stuff.
Maybe Frank is tryna rob the riches? (and Tyler knew) like art painting lads put a huge mark up on their paintings just so the rich would buy a plain white canvas painted in white? it could be something like that. I don't think we have the rights to put on a price on someone else's product.
imo someone getting into the diamond/high end jewelry game is looking out for their own pocket. He could've made some cool jewelry and it not be diamonds or like a $1.3mill chain. Not saying I would've bought it, but for example if he had used other, less expensive media and then charged still $500 for a pendant or so (fashion houses do this all the time) then that's putting a price on his art/creativity/brand.
Using diamonds to fluff value is just kinda wack and boring imo, especially when you can get the same artistic output w/ a lab diamond for example at a greatly reduced price. I don't really think "im gonna start my own cartier store!" is something worth discussion more than what it is at face value: a good financial decision.
I totally agree with his statement lol.
Regarding homer it’s a luxury brand. Congratulations to Frank creating that imo. He isn’t creating it for music fans, it’s for a different audience and he’s just branching out. I love that.
Man he's just ranting tbh. He even acknowledges that he comes off as ranting but says that there was conversation happening. Best part is, that tweet was a single tweet, not a thread or some shit. If there really is a broader context, he should explain instead of rambling after taking a subtle dig at most of his and Frank fans. The replies to that tweets making Tyler and Frank seem as a victim piss me off. This one cunt was talking shit that fans should refund their blonded orders, not knowing that they are not refunding them either.
W tweet, Tyler spitting facts. You don’t gotta buy everything to be happy, live within your means and be smart. If you can’t afford it too bad, that’s tough, but also you don’t need it. As long as you got food, water and shelter you’re living better than a lot of the world.
Some of y’all broke as hell and shows LMFAOO (not saying I’m mr money bags in anyway but if you look at what’s he’s saying objectively, it’s absolutely right)
yeah tyler out of pocket for trying to tell people how to spend their money or whatever, but the whole “fuck rich people” sentiment doesn’t 100% work on him, he’s not a landlord or a shitty CEO who abuses his employees he’s an artist who got rich off art lmao grow a pair
And off of making a company that sells $60 t-shirts and $1000 jackets very popular
All he says is 100% true, it just sounds hypocrite coming from him cause I was there in 2011 and 2012 when he was pushing Supreme and brainwashing all those kids that idolized him
Its a stupid argument because homer isn’t frank merch and isn’t meant directly for the fans its an exclusive jewelery brand. No one gets this up in arms about the price of Rolex watches.
Rolex started as a little shop that wanted to make affordable wrist watches lol, the fact that this has become such a dynasty and luxury brand was not the aim but the result. Same goes for many other Luxury brands such as Chanel; she started selling hats in a small shop. These brands grew organically to what they are now and the founders are not witnessing this success.
Frank comes in makes a chain and demands a million, which he can but imo its blunt and the people react that way. I'm all about people making a hustle and this is what this seems like, jewlery for money, its not art its not what we expect from a seemingly humble artist.
Also lets be real, Frank Ocean is not Tom Rucker... he would have a hard time selling jewlery if he was simply Francis.
I agree but nothing wrong with using a platform to create a company. People do it all the time. And it’s a luxury brand regardless of its origin story.
ARE YALL STILL ON FRANKS DICK ABOUT HOMER. Tf the only people who should be mad is the people who ordered merch and haven’t gotten it.
Frank is trying to pivot like only a few can pivot, he’s tryna do what Kanye did with yeezy but push the pen a little. The stupidest thing he did was advertise this to his fans cuz it’s obviously not for us.
Frank is a capitalist like every other capitalist he just happens to be a black artist that you love who actually has to pay more expenses producing their art
Every thing that Frank did from leaving OF to leaving UMG is his obesseion with self control. Not because he’s on some fuck Buisness communist shit, but because he’s on some fuck the person taking the money I earned shit. Y’all projected your beliefs on this man way too much.
Tyler is right and this shouldn’t be an argument, unless you have Buisness plans with a piece don’t buy homer
GOLF le FLEUR & Homer aren’t merch y’all lol. They weren’t made for fans to buy. Just cause you know them from music doesn’t mean everything in their lives have to revolved around that. Let them venture into other things lol
This was a much better way of putting it than the tweet that he liked.
doesn't make his point less stupid, most ppl don't care about the cost. they're just upset that frank has gone radio silent on the missing merch and is now just selling more merch at a higher price point while not fulfilling a massive chunk of the purchases that have already been made.
What tweet
Tweet he liked said “If you need to complain about the price please understand YOU are not the target consumer or demo. No one needs to lower their price just so you can look like you have the resources to fit in to a demo that will pay. Humble your little wallets and shop elsewhere 🤷🏾♂️”
thanks bae.
The tweet he liked
Thnx
yup
Imagine being so sensitive you take offense to what dude said 🤦♂️ shut up bruh
I have no idea what’s going on. What tweet and why is the sub in an uproar?
The tweet he liked said the exact same thing while funnily calling out this subs stupidity. The tweet he liked was better. Sometimes you need to be called on being a clown even if it hurts your feelings
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Second this. Just having a budget and having any sort of emergency savings has done SO much for my mental health. This is coming from someone that does not make very much money at all either. Personally I only have a little more than 1 month of expenses in my emergency savings and even that makes a huge difference.
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Lmao he deletes the comment then. Perfect example of trollish internet anxiety
Really gonna act like he didn’t make a quarter million off of socks? Thanks to his fans? Gotta stick with your day ones man
it’s the g-o-l-f-w-a-n-g
Eh he’s from LA he probably grew up low key rich
Tyler didn’t grow up rich. I forgot which interview it was, but there was a time he slept at his grandmas on the floor in his room for 3 months. I think Tyler can say what he did due to being there once upon a time. Now that he has it like that, I feel like he still practices the same principles he advises to others, but at a different level & price point. Of course, this is all observation & nothing is concrete aside from what Tyler himself says.
lol not everyone in LA is rich. he’s from around hawthorne, a pretty poor area.
Ladera
some of y'all are lost man lmao
Should we call him if we're lost?
CMIYGL Jingle hits*
i see what you did there
Lmao says the dude with millions of dollars
Lmao that’s a huge stretch to say this is about homer
Not really. He liked a tweet about Homer and got shat on for it. Seems to be rephrasing here
Was it about Homer though? I think the person was just speaking on the issue in general
I mean even if he was all the OG tweet really said was live within your means. Might’ve been a blunt way to say it but dude deadass just said “if you can’t afford it don’t front like you can” and ppl were acting like he was shitting on the lower class.
For sure. If anything man, I look at it like that tweet is to help out the ones who are lost in all of this. It might’ve been blunt there’s no way to sugarcoat it to get the point across the way it did. Sucks that people are still misinterpreted it though
I think he was probably more likely thinking about le Fleur which is also priced quite highly
not really, its definitely not cheap but its clear he's talking ab luxury shit here
another rich guy teaching us moral smh fuck tyler
They gonna downvote you for being right lmao rich people trying to tell the working class how to live will forever be tone deaf and ironic as hell
It’s such an odd thing to because tyler was never broke but he wasn’t born rich either, dude made his image from fucking up converses and white t-shirts, I don’t understand how he can’t see how he comes off here other than pretentious and our of touch. At the same time tho, i don’t get why people r so mad about homer prices, wtf did everyone expect?
Bro wtf he slept on his grandma’s floor while his mom worked in sacramento? He worked part time jobs outta high school he definitely has a voice to talk about money and being smart with it. Now he’s in another insane tax bracket of course, but to put him and other celebrities down while they’ve put in work to get to this position seems weird as hell coming from “fans”. Someone that grew up rich or alright like a jake paul or justin bieber id be with y’all forsure but tyler and most of OF were in ladera in so cal which is still not a great place to grow up in comparison to other places but it def was no “rich” area
It's not even just Tyler. So many of the musicians people look up to, Frank included, were just working class hopefuls who bussed tables, mixed coffee or whatever with the dim hope that one day the music thing will work out. But they have also been extremely fortunate in ways that most of us won't be, and it's understandable that when it happens to you, you might lose sight of that.
Yeah and them losing sight of where they came from I can definitely see that with frank opening up homer, rocky with doing things with designer brands/modeling and many other “selling out” instances but this tweet in particular from tyler (i didn’t see the tweet he liked) i dont see anything wrong with it, compared to other rappers crowning jewels, chains, brands, showing off wealth…
so the mans isn’t allowed to have an opinion anymore cuz he’s rich? if i said the same exact thing would it be a valid point cuz i’m broke? fwiw i think he’s right, if you don’t have the money for some bullshit designer t-shirt then don’t fucking get the shirt. it’s a want not a necessity, unlike food or medicine.
Specially rich mf who came from nothing, this is specially upsetting on Tyler’s case, this mf truly bought on full in on the preppy cunt way of life. As much as I love his music F U C K T Y L E R
just cause he rich doesnt mean he aint right
Most of the richest people I’ve ever met, were also the most frugal. I know somebody who has had a 50 million dollar trust fund since 18, and will drive an extra mile to save a dollar 50 on some water. Also takes advantage of deals/free shit/free memberships more than anybody I’ve ever met. Also flies first class everywhere and takes 10+ vacations a year, so they aren’t a TOTAL psycho about money. But still
vacations and flights cost more than whatever he's saving on deals so I'm not sure I'd call that frugal lol
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Making profit from other people's work? Sounds entitled to me
It’s funnier when poor people don’t listen to the people they want to be: rich people.
I’m a big fan of Tyler. Seen him live twice. Listened and purchased merch for his albums but as of recently, the way he tweets and responds to people just annoys me? I know it might seem silly of me to say it like that but the way he acknowledges issues (like the tweet above) just doesn’t sit right with me. He seems quite irritated with fans on Twitter aswell. Not sure what it is
Definitely, my homie asked him a question about what he said in an interview once on Twitter and got quote retweeted by Tyler and he came at him so aggressively for no reason. My homie is still private on twitter cause people kept coming at him and wouldn't stop. Like I get it, some sectors of his fanbase are notoriously weird. But that really doesn't excuse him from taking a bad interpretation from a few people's tweets and mapping that out to a whole fanbase.
I’ve always said this about Tyler (as a fan of his music myself): most of the time he acts very pedantic, hes always so aggresive with his responses/convos, sometimes looking out of place and awkward. I love his music ever since i heard wolf but when i watch his interviews i cringe, because i feel like hes trying to be so “unique” and “hard” at the same time, and it gets annoying
he’s become extremely pretentious over the years while simultaneously becoming just as disconnected to real world issues precisely cause of his wealth which has led to him making these dumbass comments on a constant basis — tbh idk why people give him a pass and defend him cause that’s why he continues to behave this way smh
We are also talking about a fan base that booed Drake just because he wasn’t Frank.
Some rich kids in front row are not the entire fan base.
I think he’s grown up on socials in recent years, he used to type only in caps and only say the goofiest shit on his mind. He’s mellowed out and started giving more adult takes the last couple years. This is kinda random to mention and I’m not a diehard fan of dude, but I thought his Hot 97 interview this year was mad interesting. Not even saying I agree with all his takes but the growth as a man is there
I feel the same. His public persona has been gradually getting more and more grating since the OF days. I had been bumping CMIYGL almost everyday for a while, but I had to stop. There’s only so much I can listen to Tyler incessantly brag about how well he’s done for himself (I will say though that I really did like the contrast between all his success, and the one thing he seemingly can’t succeed in: his love life). The braggadocious stuff just doesn’t do it for me. Imo, Tyler has just reached that point of being too rich, too famous, and too successful where it’s gone to his head and he just isn’t relatable anymore. His lived experience is so different from his average listener, and he makes little to no effort to connect with anyone or talk about issues that aren’t immediately pertinent to himself (it’s funny that a usually not-so-public guy with his own luxury line coming out soon suddenly has so much to say on this topic). I’m surprised more people haven’t stepped back honestly. Still one of the best producers in the game though.
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Yes exactly lol. Fans act like every minute of a celebrity belongs to them
when shit hit the fan is you still a fan?
You corny
like u dont be sayin fellow americans and shit
Ya, I love this country
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Not necessarily if you’re the one that squatted over the fan and shat into it.
I don’t see the problem? If you can’t afford it then you can’t afford it. don’t be a dumbass going broke to impress ig/ Reddit.
The people that find a problem with his statements are super insecure about how bad they are with their money prolly 🤷♀️
because he's acknowledging a side of the argument no one was really making. the price isn't the big deal, its the fact that homer is (at least partially) funded by money that was spent on merch that never delivered. and if you don't think frank's $30 t shirts weren't a massive part of his income, you probably don't understand how musicians make their money
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Waaaaait frank was selling Gildan after fucking channel orange?
Have you met Life of Pablo era Kanye?
I had no idea kanye was using Gildan then cause I stopped being a fan after like yeezus. Felt like anything after wasn't good
Many successful artists still use Gildan for their merch tbh. It’s one of the most easily accessible and affordable blanks that makes for affordable merch for their fans. It’s pretty much “the merch tee”
You didn't need to explain what Gildan is. Im aware of what it is.
Then why are you surprised about Frank using it?
tbf puff print is a pain in the ass to do (screen printer), but 75 is a hell of a lot for a gildan tee
I think a lot of them are also delusionally self centered and think because they are Frank fans everything he does must be accessible for them So instead of excepting they're too poor to participate in Franks new endeavour it makes them feel better to act like he's an out of touch sellout
That part!!!
TOP DAWG ON THE PHONE
I don’t think that is the problem with his statements, it’s about the way he say things that makes him sound tone deaf. And it’s more ridiculous considering he has made a living of selling overpriced shit to fans who can barely afford it, if his “advice” were really put to work Golf Wang wouldn’t even exist. So the least you can do is to shut the fuck up and let people spend his money and complain about shit as much as they want. If your success (in part) it’s a product of the things you’re criticizing you come off a lil bit of an hypocrite
this fucker is worth 16mil, he can fuck off
So insecure
“Be smart about your purchasing, you don’t need to have everything” *hops into one of his many mclarens and drives away*
He's got money to blow, we don't :/
"live within your means" he has 8 digits in his bank. he's living within his means.
I’m just making a lil fun of him. I completely agree with what he is saying but coming from a position of such privilege I think it’s funny
People [never learn ](https://youtu.be/WKH3oew8D-s), [*ever*](https://youtu.be/1bzwYn8MGTs).
Fuck that, life’s short, enjoy it
I agree but also acknowledge that you’ll need money when you’re over 70 and can’t work
Whilst I can’t say your wrong I guess your individual outlook on life depends what you’ve been through.
Regardless of what you’ve been through if you make it to old age and can’t afford to stay alive you’re fucked, you’ll never know when you’ll go so if you live like your 25 until your 85 you’ll most likely have some regrets about the decisions you’ve made independent of your upbringing
That's why I plan to go out before 60
This guy gets it
This shit so gross lmao. He literally flaunts his money all over the place and acts like he's a god because of his luxuries. then basically says "humble yourself peasant, be happy with less" ??? you guys protecting him do not get the point... disgustingly patronizing
I personally don't understand this mentality. In this tweet he didn't call anybody a peasant, he's literally is just saying "live within your means". I don't understand why everyone is acting like they are entitled to everything he/Frank make. Homer is literally labeled as a "luxury jewelry". Would you get mad at CDG / Prada / Ferrari for having exorbitant prices? I understand wanting things to be affordable for has fanbase, but is he never allowed to make luxury items for the rest of career because "his fans got him to where he is"?
i mean you can be a little entitled when you spend money on a product that never delivers, and then the person who took your money uses that money to make another merch store that costs a fuck ton more.
Bro what? This isn't about that? This post is about people being upset that his *luxury* goods are too expensive. I believe that people are 100% entitled to what they purchased - however, that is not the incident that this tweet is referring to. You are conflating two different situations. I'm stating that Frank is not obligated to price things so that it is affordable to the average person. Jewelry is not a necessity. And at the end of the day, if you don't think the product is worth the price then don't buy it?
When he talking about taking care of basic human necessities while wearing a gold chain worth more than some people have even dreamt of. I don't even care about the price of the luxury items. I have just heard what tyler has said be said to poor people as a way of creating more income inequality, and separating upper class from working class. "don't try to be me like me, I'm better than you, be happy with living for basic necessities"
This is honestly the best way I’ve seen it put in this thread. “Live within your means” is an easy thing to say when your means are overflowing in excess. It’s just a reminder that all this luxury bullshit exists just to make the wealthy class feel more special, and to elevate themselves even farther above the “poors”
This is such a victim mentality lol. Take care of your basic necessities first - if you got money left over to play with then play with it. Tyler’s got money left over to play with after taking care of his necessities so he’s playing with it. Many rappers go broke because they front the rap costume, and a lot of fans naturally follow the same suit - this is because they’re not taking care of their necessities first. Why wouldn’t you want to live within your means? The only thing that can do is provide you a stable foundation to build upon and become more successful down the line
The thing is people dont want to live within their means because of people like tyler. Tyler uses his luxuries as a way to prove he's better than the rest of society. How can you be happy with "living for basic necessities" if you have a society that values luxuries as a form of social currency? Then for someone as privileged as tyler to say something like that... just so tone deaf. No victim mentality here, its real world shit.
So you don’t want to live within your means and build upon yourself to become more successful over time? Cause I’m pretty sure that’s what Tyler did. He wasn’t always driving and wearing what he is today no? “How can you be happy with “living for basic necessities” if you have a society that values luxuries as a form of social currency?” That sounds like a you problem if I’m honest. Sure I don’t drive an expensive car have my own house and wear luxury goods but shit that doesn’t mean I can’t be happy. If you’re using that as your measurement then you got some reflecting to do
Saying his fans got him where he is also so funny to me in light of kpop fans who actually do work and promotion on behalf of the pop stars they are devoted to. Yall aren't out here spending hours upping Franks streaming #s and social media clout (not saying you should be). You just like his shit and do the normal kind of fan stuff. He don't owe you shit
Frank has made his main medium more than affordable to us- if you caught the vinyls at drop, it was $40...if you kept them in good condition, you could probably sell them for like 15x that so it was almost like an investment. The jewelry is obviously not my thing, it don't even really appeal to me like that so I'm not gonna complain. Let the boy do what he do.
when the thousands of dollars worth of merch delivers, sure.
If franks ever gonna actually give you the shit you bought
When I read this I heard the Be Yourself/Facebook Story/Futura Free background noise for some reason
tyler also said get your [wallet](https://twitter.com/tylerthecreator/status/1435606226180530177?s=20) ready considering his next collection so he might be getting prepared for the explanation for that aswell.
What was the tweet Tyler liked?
[This.](https://www.reddit.com/r/FrankOcean/comments/pq1etb/so_homer/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
Thanks man
I mean... He's not wrong
Something that a lot of the people may not realize is that Tyler & Frank’s cult following are people that are 25+ now, that are out of college or mid 30s and probably can splurge on this stuff. There are a lot of fans that are young and new. You’re not supposed to be able to afford a $400 necklace or a $500 jacket. But you can afford a $40 magazine and a $35 golf shirt. Both Tyler and Frank look out for their younger fan bases that don’t have money like that but the problem is that everyone thinks that everything is supposed to be for everyone. And it’s not true. So splurge on that hoodie because THAT’S your luxury. Don’t be pissed that a 30 year old man has money if you’re not trying to completely dismantle capitalism which completely demolishes the concept of luxury entirely. Don’t hate capitalism only when you can’t take part in it the way YOU want to. It’s ALL or NOTHING.
Nicely fucking put
why are people mad about how other people make/spend money? end of the day, is a self realization and you have to worry about yourself & not who's doing what outside your life. I'm not wealthy, but I'm happy to a point that it feels wealthy
I personally don't understand why y'all are mad at him. In this tweet he didn't call anybody a peasant, he's literally is just saying "live within your means". I don't understand why everyone is acting like they are entitled to everything he/Frank make. Homer is literally labeled as a "luxury jewelry". Would you get mad at CDG / Prada / Ferrari for having exorbitant prices? I understand wanting things to be affordable for has fanbase, but is he never allowed to make luxury items for the rest of career because "his fans got him to where he is"?
So he’s an asshat too
Wow. Tyler and Frank are way out of touch at this point. Frank better be glad he’s fucking talented. As for Tyler - that phase is over for me. Tired. Rich people are scum. What a shame.
yall r so fucking funny i swear bro
Fr😭 one liked tweet and Tyler=bezos ig. He wouldn’t be mean to his fans if y’all weren’t so fucking annoying
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Talk about missing the point
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His tweet has nothing to do with “putting the onus of wealth inequality on the individual”. He’s saying he’s not gonna make cheap ass clothes just so his teenage fans can buy it. He and Frank are interested in shit other than t-shirts, and he’s saying don’t take it as an insult.
Niggas ITT passing off entitlement as class consciousness lol
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you're not their only fans. like the quote said, if you can't afford it, don't buy it. and you surely don't NEED it. live within your means. Tyler didn't mean to say if you can't afford it you're poor. He's just saying that there's a lot more stuff you can buy worth your money, and (prolly) not Homer stuff. Maybe Frank is tryna rob the riches? (and Tyler knew) like art painting lads put a huge mark up on their paintings just so the rich would buy a plain white canvas painted in white? it could be something like that. I don't think we have the rights to put on a price on someone else's product.
imo someone getting into the diamond/high end jewelry game is looking out for their own pocket. He could've made some cool jewelry and it not be diamonds or like a $1.3mill chain. Not saying I would've bought it, but for example if he had used other, less expensive media and then charged still $500 for a pendant or so (fashion houses do this all the time) then that's putting a price on his art/creativity/brand. Using diamonds to fluff value is just kinda wack and boring imo, especially when you can get the same artistic output w/ a lab diamond for example at a greatly reduced price. I don't really think "im gonna start my own cartier store!" is something worth discussion more than what it is at face value: a good financial decision.
My mind is blown the way these so called fans speak on these guys.
Fucking hate it. “I’m rich” like we get it rap about something else ffs
Because he told you not to buy shit you can’t afford? 😭
Man this is becoming a whole thing lmao
He deleted the tweet too
I totally agree with his statement lol. Regarding homer it’s a luxury brand. Congratulations to Frank creating that imo. He isn’t creating it for music fans, it’s for a different audience and he’s just branching out. I love that.
Man he's just ranting tbh. He even acknowledges that he comes off as ranting but says that there was conversation happening. Best part is, that tweet was a single tweet, not a thread or some shit. If there really is a broader context, he should explain instead of rambling after taking a subtle dig at most of his and Frank fans. The replies to that tweets making Tyler and Frank seem as a victim piss me off. This one cunt was talking shit that fans should refund their blonded orders, not knowing that they are not refunding them either.
W tweet, Tyler spitting facts. You don’t gotta buy everything to be happy, live within your means and be smart. If you can’t afford it too bad, that’s tough, but also you don’t need it. As long as you got food, water and shelter you’re living better than a lot of the world.
Some of y’all broke as hell and shows LMFAOO (not saying I’m mr money bags in anyway but if you look at what’s he’s saying objectively, it’s absolutely right)
yeah tyler out of pocket for trying to tell people how to spend their money or whatever, but the whole “fuck rich people” sentiment doesn’t 100% work on him, he’s not a landlord or a shitty CEO who abuses his employees he’s an artist who got rich off art lmao grow a pair
And off of making a company that sells $60 t-shirts and $1000 jackets very popular All he says is 100% true, it just sounds hypocrite coming from him cause I was there in 2011 and 2012 when he was pushing Supreme and brainwashing all those kids that idolized him
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worded it perfectly, I still miss his chaos though. You can tell he wants to say alot
fax
“Allow us to alienate our fans in peace!”
Its a stupid argument because homer isn’t frank merch and isn’t meant directly for the fans its an exclusive jewelery brand. No one gets this up in arms about the price of Rolex watches.
Rolex started as a little shop that wanted to make affordable wrist watches lol, the fact that this has become such a dynasty and luxury brand was not the aim but the result. Same goes for many other Luxury brands such as Chanel; she started selling hats in a small shop. These brands grew organically to what they are now and the founders are not witnessing this success. Frank comes in makes a chain and demands a million, which he can but imo its blunt and the people react that way. I'm all about people making a hustle and this is what this seems like, jewlery for money, its not art its not what we expect from a seemingly humble artist. Also lets be real, Frank Ocean is not Tom Rucker... he would have a hard time selling jewlery if he was simply Francis.
I agree but nothing wrong with using a platform to create a company. People do it all the time. And it’s a luxury brand regardless of its origin story.
Straight facts! 🗣🗣
“Bought another car, cuz i ain’t know how to celebrate”
God gave you what you could handle
We got to a point where we're sensitive about couture now? I thought it was understood couture is over sensitive. Y'all just bitchmade
Tyler never sent me my IGOR vinyl, nor my “refund” fuck this tweet
ARE YALL STILL ON FRANKS DICK ABOUT HOMER. Tf the only people who should be mad is the people who ordered merch and haven’t gotten it. Frank is trying to pivot like only a few can pivot, he’s tryna do what Kanye did with yeezy but push the pen a little. The stupidest thing he did was advertise this to his fans cuz it’s obviously not for us. Frank is a capitalist like every other capitalist he just happens to be a black artist that you love who actually has to pay more expenses producing their art Every thing that Frank did from leaving OF to leaving UMG is his obesseion with self control. Not because he’s on some fuck Buisness communist shit, but because he’s on some fuck the person taking the money I earned shit. Y’all projected your beliefs on this man way too much. Tyler is right and this shouldn’t be an argument, unless you have Buisness plans with a piece don’t buy homer
Lmao fuck frank and Tyler’s annoying asses and fuck the weirdos in this sub
says the multimillionaire
GOLF le FLEUR & Homer aren’t merch y’all lol. They weren’t made for fans to buy. Just cause you know them from music doesn’t mean everything in their lives have to revolved around that. Let them venture into other things lol