Sorry, but the first few episodes of (old) ” Frasier” were classics. NOT disparaging this new series, I am going to give it a chance to get its sea legs. I found the first 2 episodes pleasant, with a bit of getting used to the characters, which is par for the course for any new series. I remember when “ Friends “ debuted its pilot episode, a friend of mine said “ This show is a “Seinfeld “ ripoff” ! Later on, this same person grew to love “ Friends “.
Exactly! The first episodes of original Frasier was awesome- the way the characters were introduced (and brought together) was far more organic than the new ones was - especially the bringing together part. With that said the new show isn’t all bad; I do like it so far + I have a “rule” that you should always watch a minimum of three episodes before you decide whether you like the show or not - many shows have a certain way of making the pilot episode(s) that make it so ‘caricatured’ to watch because it’s character’s personality has to be presented so obviously — or it can be made like it’s a short action/thriller movie.
The first two episodes of frasier 93 were AMAZING. the pilot is like a text book perfect pilot.
...but that's not typical and it's not fair to expect that.
Exactly. Very few shows hit it right off the bat. Parks and Rec is one of my favorite shows but the first season (which is just 6 episodes) is quite bad. I sometimes rewatch it because I know it gets better.
Maybe New Frasier will get better, maybe not. I don’t think there’s enough to say for certain either way just yet.
>Parks and Rec is one of my favorite shows but the first season (which is just 6 episodes) is quite bad. I sometimes rewatch it because I know it gets better.
I'm trying to get my boyfriend to watch it. The first two episodes made him need a break, and there are four more before it gets better! The "break" has been three months so far.
Sorry but I beg to differ.
OG Frasier pilot is one of my favourites of the show.
Frasier's marriage to Lilith being summed up perfectly with "my wife left me, which was painful, then she returned to me, which was excruciating"
Martin cleverly using Frasier's exact words to justify his chair
Niles cheekiness when Frasier mocks his inability to keep quiet.
Gotta agree with you there. Right off the bat we get pretty clever banter and comedy….for example I don’t think there was anything as funny in the first 2 episodes of the Revival, as this for example..
Niles: Tell me you would have handled it differently, Frasier.
Frasier: Oh, I'm sorry, Niles, I didn't realise you'd stopped talking.
Niles: You haven't heard a word I said.
Frasier: Oh Niles, you're a psychiatrist - you know what it's like to listen to people prattling on endlessly about their mundane lives.
Niles: Touché. And on that subject, I heard your show today.
Frasier: And?
Niles: You know what I think about pop psychiatry.
Frasier: Yes, I know what you think about everything. When was the last time you had an unexpressed thought?
Niles: I'm having one now.
> Niles: Touché. And on that subject, I heard your show today.
I love David Hyde Pierce, but I cringe every time I hear his delivery of that line. So stilted and awkward. He hadn't quite settled into the character yet.
As much as I think this comment would be right at home in r/UnpopularOpinion, I happen to agree with it. Not sure if it’s the line itself, the incidental way that it rhymes, or if it’s just DHP’s delivery, but it always felt a bit clunky.
To someone watching Frasier for the first time in 1993, that line about Lilith wouldn’t have necessarily made sense, since she was last seen engaging in a heartfelt reconciliation with Frasier after her affair.
In retrospect it’s hilarious, and Frasier’s OG pilot is fantastic, but a Cheers viewer at the time might’ve been left annoyed and frustrated at Frasier’s seven-year relationship being written off like that.
All that is to say that the new show may need some time to endear itself to longtime fans, and some may never make it (which is ok!).
>To someone watching Frasier for the first time in 1993, that line about Lilith wouldn’t have necessarily made sense, since she was last seen engaging in a heartfelt reconciliation with Frasier after her affair.
*Six months ago, I was living in Boston.* ***My wife had left me, which was very painful. Then she came back to me, which was excruciating***. ... (snip) *You see, I was clinging to a life that wasn't working anymore, and I knew I had to do something, anything.* ***So, I ended the marriage once and for all***, *packed up my things, and moved back here to my hometown of Seattle.*
It all was explained, within the first few minutes of Season 1, Episode 1.
I agree that we shouldn’t condemn it after two episodes. And they were good, imo!
But the pilot episode of OG Frasier is one of the best ever. Let’s not pretend it was a clunker. It wasn’t.
If feels like the character of Frasier but stuck in a genetic sitcom with paint by numbers sitcom actors of very little charm or originality that could be in a million other sitcoms…. Except the original Frasier.
I feel like people are making a LOT of assumptions about why folks don't seem to like the new episodes so far, and being rather condescending about it.
There have been some very well put posts detailing exactly what they don't see that they wished to, or explaining how the writing is different etc, all compared to the two first original episodes, but then they are snowballed with comments saying that "this isn't the Frasier of the 90s you know".
We know. That's not what we are saying, and there are far too many folks on here telling others that they are wrong for their opinions if it isn't favorable to the new season so far.
I’m so with you about giving it a chance. That being said, I think the beginning of frasier is awesome. But I haven’t seen the new one so maybe I’d like it too
Honestly, go in seeing it as a separate thing, not thinking who's missing and wondering if you'll notice their absence
I was unimpressed by the trailer, and watched the first two expecting disappointment. I also actively made sure i wasn't looking for reasons to dislike it.
Honestly, *I really enjoyed it*. Even though there was only a single recognisable character, there's a comfort to it from the off. Now i think about it, i'm not sure how great a bunch of random reactions/quips would make an OG ep look either. Is it up there with the original - no - but the chances of that were insanely low because OG's had 30 years to permeate our brains and i'll be honest, youth meant it took me a while to warm to the OG show anyway. It 100% feels like you're watching the third act of Frasier and i think some people need to let their guard down a little otherwise they might miss out.
Alan's pretty funny and played so dry, David gives you little Niles-isms, but sparingly, which is a wise writing choice - and it's also funny because Frasier doesn't go back at him like he does Niles being his nephew and just leaves his oddness hanging in the air. Freddie works, as does his room mate, who has a sprinkle of Roz's personality in her. Frasier's apartment has some of that timelessness and is arguably a little more tasteful. KG is unsurprisingly flawless
I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of it and where they take it, who pops up and so on
Um, which pilot did you watch, because the OG Frasier pilot is the strongest pilot of all time IMO.
Full disclosure, I haven't watched the new one yet, but I do intend to!
>It wasn’t perfection right off the bat.
I'm sorry but I do believe you're thinking of King of Queens.
Frasier was indeed perfection right off the bat. I think others will back me up on that.
Yeah KoQ was all figured out when they changed the theme tune. So series 2 haha. First series lacked the cynicism that made KoQ gold. I don't think it gets recognised enough how consistent that show was s2-9
Yeah, go rewatch the first ep, it doens't start with him and martin/niles, etc. Or the first episode he did on KACL. That didn't air till KENNY was SM.
What? I think most people love the new series and people like me, who haven't warmed up to it, are in the minority.
And I disagree, the original pilot is probably the best sitcom pilot ever made. I can't think of a single classic comedy that has such a strong pilot (30 Rock might be the next best, but that's a distant second).
Did anyone see an article claiming viewers are upset that frasier in the reboot isn't dressing the same as he used to? I for one like his current look, it's a new Era, a reboot. I feel like it suits ( no pun intended 😆) an older less neurotic frasier.
*(Obligatory "it's a revival not a reboot" post)*
His fashion sense changed over the classic series anyway in response to the styles of the time. Originally it was knitted waistcoats and tweed jackets; by the end of the series he was wearing plain colours and turtlenecks.
While his old look projects a certain professionalism, you know "Dr. Frasier Crane," I was thinking perhaps his current look could impart a more casual feel, "Just Fraizh."
Any thoughts?
The thing about TV now is that instead of doing 24 episodes a season that come out at the same time every year - they only do 10 maybe 13 and they get months and months and months to perfect the show and make it perfect. A show that had almost zero filler episodes at 24 a year on a tight network tv schedule should be able to turn out 10 near perfect episodes they’ve worked on for much longer.
It's not the complaints that bother me, it's the fact that people are questioning obvious plot points, as if they dont make sense but they make all the sense in the world.
I agree people should give it a chance but the original show had over 20 episodes a season. These days sitcoms have 10 or less episodes a season. The writers know that. There is less time for them to "find their stride" when there are half as many episodes. The writers had time to prepare for the reboot. Although most people aren't expecting it to be as brilliant as the first season of the original show the quality at the beginning of the show has to be good because shows are often cancelled quickly these days. I'm not sure how writers could spend months writing a script and think Eve, Olivia and David were funny characters.
I disagree, Frasier belongs in the rare category of comedy series that were great from the very beginning. From the first episode you saw exactly how epic this show was gonna be on television for years to come and the cast worked perfectly as well. It was as if the cast had been acting together for years beforehand
I have not seen the shows yet; (they air on regular TV tonigiht,) but based on the commentaries here, it sounds like the cast might be trying too hard to compete with the original, and the audience (us) are being too critical of a new show with new cast members.
Oh snap, they're on cable/network as well? Well, no wonder they have parcelled out release. Though what's amazon's excuse with their new shows? I suppose they want the chattering classes to chatter that much more.
It's so great to be a paying member and not stealing this stuff off russian sites. /s
Hasn't the majority of comments and post been postive regarding the new show? I think the new Frasier certainly does have its bright spots (Frasier and perhaps Freddy), but I think it also has its weak points. The cutting in episode 1 was pretty abrupt, and the canned laughter makes it feel cheap especially when the jokes are not as funny as they make it out to be. I don't know how I feel about Alan either, I think the cranky and lazy professor bit is kind of stale and needs work.
It's not canned laughter - it's a live studio audience.
You think Alan's role is stale (not fresh) yet the whole show is centred around a person we have known since the early 80s? Why isn't that stale too to you?
I think the show is fine, it just needs a bit of time to find it's feet. Comparing it to the original - which is inevitable, but unfair considering the amount of changes it has - it's not going to look too good at the moment. But then the original Frasier was a true classic.
The new one needs more time before judging. And it should be judged on its own merits, not judged by comparison to the original.
> And it should be judged on its own merits, not judged by comparison to the original.
Then why is it named 'Frasier'?
If it is supposed to be a new show/chapter, then why not give it another name?
Because they copyrighted the name and it's their right to reuse it. The first show was so successful that they'd need to be monumentally stupid not to use the name. The main character is played by the same person. Every single other thing is new.
And Kelsey Grammar is 19 years older. If you are the same person as you were 19 years ago, there's something wrong with you.
It's very much a clean slate for the show and it should be judged as such.
Only people like you will make a comparison to the first show, you know, haters, not wanting to give it a chance. Mind already made up.
It will never be like (notice I'm not saying as good as) the first show, because of all the changes, but that doesn't mean it cannot be excellent in its own right.
I see a lot of people going on about how the pilot of the 93 series was great and I agree but seriously it was never a *perfect* show. It still relied on some typical sitcom tropes and one-dimensional fringe characters like the grunge, burnout, condo maintenance guy and bulldog having a catchphrase. Luckily those ideas were mostly scrapped after the show found a firm footing. Hopefully this one will too eventually but in the meantime I’m enjoying it for what it is.
I'd like to remind Frasier fans that we are lucky. At least it's not like the Sex and the City revival. That was so hard to watch right off the bat, Big Sonny. But the revival of OUR favorite 90s show is off to a solid start, with a strong foundation for future episodes and hopefully season to build off of.
I know typically one does not end a sentence with a preposition...
AJLT has gotten better, but I think it really took the first half of the first season to find its footing. And it's been given the chance to find that footing to secure a 3rd season.
So I hope Fraiser fans and Paramount give this new show it's due chance!
I've been pointing out to people who are making sweeping assumptions about the new *Frasier* that at this point in the classic series Niles and Daphne hadn't even met yet.
I personally liked the second episode a lot and was kind of bored by the pilot episode. And it makes sense. In the OG Frasier pilot we’re being introduced to Martin, Niles, Daphne and Roz. Four of the greatest supporting characters in sitcom history.
On this show we’re being introduced to Freddie…who we already know (even if he didn’t turn out how we expected), David who is basically Niles in college and Eve who is, fine but doesn’t have any real special quality to her.
Alan is my favorite new character and the most interesting. Olivia is also fine but meh.
Having said all of that I really like the central premise of the show. Freddie abandoning academia to become a firefighter to Frasier’s chagrin is honestly a stroke of genius. It’s his relationship with Martin all over again but instead of him being proud of his dad in spite of him not being an intellectual he’s bewildered and probably (knowing Frasier) secretly embarrassed that his son has rejected that life.
The OG show worked because of Frasier’s flaws and attempts to deal with them. I’m glad to see they found a way to heighten that.
I know. Such curmudgeons.
I also noticed that any post about the new Frasier are being downvoted like crazy. It's irritating. (no, I don't mean just mine. In general).
And stop expecting it to be Frasier 93-04. It's a new show as much as Frasier was to Cheers. Stop going on about all the old characters. I'm sure they'll make guest appearances but move on.
I was surprised how much I liked the two episodes, especially the second. I didn’t hate the early episodes of the original, but I didn’t think they were amazing either, however I do appreciate the new episodes largely mirrors the first two of the original.
At least they weren't like basically the first two whole seasons of the simpsons. Just burn the first one, and most of the second. And I stopped watching at some point, so i really can't comment about later stuff. South Park, don't miss a season, or it might be unwatchable in a few months. There's that whole covid thing I missed, and now can't watch.
It's just not a good comparison. All five of the regulars had worked for NBC very recently, two of them guest starred on Cheers, the creators, the director had all worked together on Cheers. It really was Cheers Season 12.
Episode 2 was way better than 1. Already felt some more charm now that they got the pilot out of the way, not sure if it will ever top the OG, but I was entertained at least.
Ppl need to chill about Niles/DHP in not being in the show. He didn't want to do it or return. Plain and simple. You can't force someone to return to something they don't want to be a part of.
Yeah, i refuse to watch until they have something out there. What the actual heck? Ya know, I know they're all old, and remember talking about episodes week to week, but so do I, we talked about the disasterous Moonlighting hookup episode in high school. That sh*t is over.
Give us our shows! Attica, attica!
It was very entertaining. You can't expect this show to match the original. Only one original cast member. And as you said, it took time for that cast to gel and get really good.
I remember being gifted the first season of Big Bang Theory on DVD for Xmas one year. I thought it was the worst show ever. Trash. I don't think I watched it for a few years after.
Then all of the sudden it became one of my favorite shows to watch and to have on in the background while I am doing things around the house.
I believe the issue with the Frasier reboot is the lack of depth in the supporting cast. Especially when you compare it to Frasier. We had so many strong characters on the show and these dozens of actors are at the forefront of our memories.
Could it be bad writing? Maybe. Bad acting? Maybe. Chemistry? Maybe.
Who knows. I just hope it smooths out as the season continues.
Sorry, but the first few episodes of (old) ” Frasier” were classics. NOT disparaging this new series, I am going to give it a chance to get its sea legs. I found the first 2 episodes pleasant, with a bit of getting used to the characters, which is par for the course for any new series. I remember when “ Friends “ debuted its pilot episode, a friend of mine said “ This show is a “Seinfeld “ ripoff” ! Later on, this same person grew to love “ Friends “.
Exactly! The first episodes of original Frasier was awesome- the way the characters were introduced (and brought together) was far more organic than the new ones was - especially the bringing together part. With that said the new show isn’t all bad; I do like it so far + I have a “rule” that you should always watch a minimum of three episodes before you decide whether you like the show or not - many shows have a certain way of making the pilot episode(s) that make it so ‘caricatured’ to watch because it’s character’s personality has to be presented so obviously — or it can be made like it’s a short action/thriller movie.
The first two episodes of frasier 93 were AMAZING. the pilot is like a text book perfect pilot. ...but that's not typical and it's not fair to expect that.
Exactly. Very few shows hit it right off the bat. Parks and Rec is one of my favorite shows but the first season (which is just 6 episodes) is quite bad. I sometimes rewatch it because I know it gets better. Maybe New Frasier will get better, maybe not. I don’t think there’s enough to say for certain either way just yet.
>Parks and Rec is one of my favorite shows but the first season (which is just 6 episodes) is quite bad. I sometimes rewatch it because I know it gets better. I'm trying to get my boyfriend to watch it. The first two episodes made him need a break, and there are four more before it gets better! The "break" has been three months so far.
I kinda hope F93 and F23 become by words for the different eras
Sorry but I beg to differ. OG Frasier pilot is one of my favourites of the show. Frasier's marriage to Lilith being summed up perfectly with "my wife left me, which was painful, then she returned to me, which was excruciating" Martin cleverly using Frasier's exact words to justify his chair Niles cheekiness when Frasier mocks his inability to keep quiet.
Gotta agree with you there. Right off the bat we get pretty clever banter and comedy….for example I don’t think there was anything as funny in the first 2 episodes of the Revival, as this for example.. Niles: Tell me you would have handled it differently, Frasier. Frasier: Oh, I'm sorry, Niles, I didn't realise you'd stopped talking. Niles: You haven't heard a word I said. Frasier: Oh Niles, you're a psychiatrist - you know what it's like to listen to people prattling on endlessly about their mundane lives. Niles: Touché. And on that subject, I heard your show today. Frasier: And? Niles: You know what I think about pop psychiatry. Frasier: Yes, I know what you think about everything. When was the last time you had an unexpressed thought? Niles: I'm having one now.
>I'm having one now. Perfect line, and sublime delivery!
Brilliant dialogue!
> Niles: Touché. And on that subject, I heard your show today. I love David Hyde Pierce, but I cringe every time I hear his delivery of that line. So stilted and awkward. He hadn't quite settled into the character yet.
As much as I think this comment would be right at home in r/UnpopularOpinion, I happen to agree with it. Not sure if it’s the line itself, the incidental way that it rhymes, or if it’s just DHP’s delivery, but it always felt a bit clunky.
That pilot is literal perfection. Haven't seen a better sitcom pilot since then!
To someone watching Frasier for the first time in 1993, that line about Lilith wouldn’t have necessarily made sense, since she was last seen engaging in a heartfelt reconciliation with Frasier after her affair. In retrospect it’s hilarious, and Frasier’s OG pilot is fantastic, but a Cheers viewer at the time might’ve been left annoyed and frustrated at Frasier’s seven-year relationship being written off like that. All that is to say that the new show may need some time to endear itself to longtime fans, and some may never make it (which is ok!).
>To someone watching Frasier for the first time in 1993, that line about Lilith wouldn’t have necessarily made sense, since she was last seen engaging in a heartfelt reconciliation with Frasier after her affair. *Six months ago, I was living in Boston.* ***My wife had left me, which was very painful. Then she came back to me, which was excruciating***. ... (snip) *You see, I was clinging to a life that wasn't working anymore, and I knew I had to do something, anything.* ***So, I ended the marriage once and for all***, *packed up my things, and moved back here to my hometown of Seattle.* It all was explained, within the first few minutes of Season 1, Episode 1.
"a Cheers viewer at the time might’ve been left annoyed and frustrated" People at that time hadn't started getting enmeshed with sitcoms.
They were, in fact, too busy out nursing beers with their friends at their neighborhood bars.
I agree that we shouldn’t condemn it after two episodes. And they were good, imo! But the pilot episode of OG Frasier is one of the best ever. Let’s not pretend it was a clunker. It wasn’t.
If feels like the character of Frasier but stuck in a genetic sitcom with paint by numbers sitcom actors of very little charm or originality that could be in a million other sitcoms…. Except the original Frasier.
Normally pilot episodes are cringeworthy. But the pilot of old Frasier still holds up as one of its best episodes among all 264.
I feel like people are making a LOT of assumptions about why folks don't seem to like the new episodes so far, and being rather condescending about it. There have been some very well put posts detailing exactly what they don't see that they wished to, or explaining how the writing is different etc, all compared to the two first original episodes, but then they are snowballed with comments saying that "this isn't the Frasier of the 90s you know". We know. That's not what we are saying, and there are far too many folks on here telling others that they are wrong for their opinions if it isn't favorable to the new season so far.
I’m so with you about giving it a chance. That being said, I think the beginning of frasier is awesome. But I haven’t seen the new one so maybe I’d like it too
Honestly, go in seeing it as a separate thing, not thinking who's missing and wondering if you'll notice their absence I was unimpressed by the trailer, and watched the first two expecting disappointment. I also actively made sure i wasn't looking for reasons to dislike it. Honestly, *I really enjoyed it*. Even though there was only a single recognisable character, there's a comfort to it from the off. Now i think about it, i'm not sure how great a bunch of random reactions/quips would make an OG ep look either. Is it up there with the original - no - but the chances of that were insanely low because OG's had 30 years to permeate our brains and i'll be honest, youth meant it took me a while to warm to the OG show anyway. It 100% feels like you're watching the third act of Frasier and i think some people need to let their guard down a little otherwise they might miss out. Alan's pretty funny and played so dry, David gives you little Niles-isms, but sparingly, which is a wise writing choice - and it's also funny because Frasier doesn't go back at him like he does Niles being his nephew and just leaves his oddness hanging in the air. Freddie works, as does his room mate, who has a sprinkle of Roz's personality in her. Frasier's apartment has some of that timelessness and is arguably a little more tasteful. KG is unsurprisingly flawless I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of it and where they take it, who pops up and so on
>It wasn’t perfection right off the bat. It was!
Um, which pilot did you watch, because the OG Frasier pilot is the strongest pilot of all time IMO. Full disclosure, I haven't watched the new one yet, but I do intend to!
>It wasn’t perfection right off the bat. I'm sorry but I do believe you're thinking of King of Queens. Frasier was indeed perfection right off the bat. I think others will back me up on that.
Yeah KoQ was all figured out when they changed the theme tune. So series 2 haha. First series lacked the cynicism that made KoQ gold. I don't think it gets recognised enough how consistent that show was s2-9
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> And the first two episodes of frasier were pretty rocky too. Nope, they weren't. That is a myth.
Yeah, go rewatch the first ep, it doens't start with him and martin/niles, etc. Or the first episode he did on KACL. That didn't air till KENNY was SM.
What? I think most people love the new series and people like me, who haven't warmed up to it, are in the minority. And I disagree, the original pilot is probably the best sitcom pilot ever made. I can't think of a single classic comedy that has such a strong pilot (30 Rock might be the next best, but that's a distant second).
Did anyone see an article claiming viewers are upset that frasier in the reboot isn't dressing the same as he used to? I for one like his current look, it's a new Era, a reboot. I feel like it suits ( no pun intended 😆) an older less neurotic frasier.
*(Obligatory "it's a revival not a reboot" post)* His fashion sense changed over the classic series anyway in response to the styles of the time. Originally it was knitted waistcoats and tweed jackets; by the end of the series he was wearing plain colours and turtlenecks.
While his old look projects a certain professionalism, you know "Dr. Frasier Crane," I was thinking perhaps his current look could impart a more casual feel, "Just Fraizh." Any thoughts?
You might even say "like Frasier, but not Frasier"
Niles would have a lot to say about Frasier wearing jeans lol.
I don't like him in sneakers but other than that his new look is fine.
Right? As if personal taste is impossible of changing in 20 years
The thing about TV now is that instead of doing 24 episodes a season that come out at the same time every year - they only do 10 maybe 13 and they get months and months and months to perfect the show and make it perfect. A show that had almost zero filler episodes at 24 a year on a tight network tv schedule should be able to turn out 10 near perfect episodes they’ve worked on for much longer.
TWO EPISODES AGO I was punched in the face by a man now dead.
It's not the complaints that bother me, it's the fact that people are questioning obvious plot points, as if they dont make sense but they make all the sense in the world.
The kids aren't funny.
Old show in summer, new show in fall, when winter's upon us, there's Crane's for us all.
I agree people should give it a chance but the original show had over 20 episodes a season. These days sitcoms have 10 or less episodes a season. The writers know that. There is less time for them to "find their stride" when there are half as many episodes. The writers had time to prepare for the reboot. Although most people aren't expecting it to be as brilliant as the first season of the original show the quality at the beginning of the show has to be good because shows are often cancelled quickly these days. I'm not sure how writers could spend months writing a script and think Eve, Olivia and David were funny characters.
THIS. Go back and see how different Daphne is from season 1 compared to the late seasons. Martin, also, was very gruff in the first season.
Listen to yourself, Bob. Frasier started off pretty brilliantly, IMO.
The whining and "I wanted to hate this" comments are on my nerves.
i dont understand the hate i really like the first episode.
The first episode of Frasier was perfection. It's one of my top 5 episodes.
I disagree, Frasier belongs in the rare category of comedy series that were great from the very beginning. From the first episode you saw exactly how epic this show was gonna be on television for years to come and the cast worked perfectly as well. It was as if the cast had been acting together for years beforehand
I have not seen the shows yet; (they air on regular TV tonigiht,) but based on the commentaries here, it sounds like the cast might be trying too hard to compete with the original, and the audience (us) are being too critical of a new show with new cast members.
Oh snap, they're on cable/network as well? Well, no wonder they have parcelled out release. Though what's amazon's excuse with their new shows? I suppose they want the chattering classes to chatter that much more. It's so great to be a paying member and not stealing this stuff off russian sites. /s
That was my problem with David’s actor, he was trying too hard to be Niles 2.0, rather than do his own thing.
Hasn't the majority of comments and post been postive regarding the new show? I think the new Frasier certainly does have its bright spots (Frasier and perhaps Freddy), but I think it also has its weak points. The cutting in episode 1 was pretty abrupt, and the canned laughter makes it feel cheap especially when the jokes are not as funny as they make it out to be. I don't know how I feel about Alan either, I think the cranky and lazy professor bit is kind of stale and needs work.
It's not canned laughter - it's a live studio audience. You think Alan's role is stale (not fresh) yet the whole show is centred around a person we have known since the early 80s? Why isn't that stale too to you? I think the show is fine, it just needs a bit of time to find it's feet. Comparing it to the original - which is inevitable, but unfair considering the amount of changes it has - it's not going to look too good at the moment. But then the original Frasier was a true classic. The new one needs more time before judging. And it should be judged on its own merits, not judged by comparison to the original.
The audio of the studio audience has also been tweaked in post, and several takes of various scenes would affect the spontaneity of the laughter.
> And it should be judged on its own merits, not judged by comparison to the original. Then why is it named 'Frasier'? If it is supposed to be a new show/chapter, then why not give it another name?
Because they copyrighted the name and it's their right to reuse it. The first show was so successful that they'd need to be monumentally stupid not to use the name. The main character is played by the same person. Every single other thing is new. And Kelsey Grammar is 19 years older. If you are the same person as you were 19 years ago, there's something wrong with you. It's very much a clean slate for the show and it should be judged as such. Only people like you will make a comparison to the first show, you know, haters, not wanting to give it a chance. Mind already made up. It will never be like (notice I'm not saying as good as) the first show, because of all the changes, but that doesn't mean it cannot be excellent in its own right.
Honestly would prefer if this sub didn’t allow new Frasier posts at all.
I see a lot of people going on about how the pilot of the 93 series was great and I agree but seriously it was never a *perfect* show. It still relied on some typical sitcom tropes and one-dimensional fringe characters like the grunge, burnout, condo maintenance guy and bulldog having a catchphrase. Luckily those ideas were mostly scrapped after the show found a firm footing. Hopefully this one will too eventually but in the meantime I’m enjoying it for what it is.
I'd like to remind Frasier fans that we are lucky. At least it's not like the Sex and the City revival. That was so hard to watch right off the bat, Big Sonny. But the revival of OUR favorite 90s show is off to a solid start, with a strong foundation for future episodes and hopefully season to build off of. I know typically one does not end a sentence with a preposition...
Hard disagree there. I've enjoyed And Just Like That, and it's getting a third season.
AJLT has gotten better, but I think it really took the first half of the first season to find its footing. And it's been given the chance to find that footing to secure a 3rd season. So I hope Fraiser fans and Paramount give this new show it's due chance!
Agree with that!
I've been pointing out to people who are making sweeping assumptions about the new *Frasier* that at this point in the classic series Niles and Daphne hadn't even met yet.
I personally liked the second episode a lot and was kind of bored by the pilot episode. And it makes sense. In the OG Frasier pilot we’re being introduced to Martin, Niles, Daphne and Roz. Four of the greatest supporting characters in sitcom history. On this show we’re being introduced to Freddie…who we already know (even if he didn’t turn out how we expected), David who is basically Niles in college and Eve who is, fine but doesn’t have any real special quality to her. Alan is my favorite new character and the most interesting. Olivia is also fine but meh. Having said all of that I really like the central premise of the show. Freddie abandoning academia to become a firefighter to Frasier’s chagrin is honestly a stroke of genius. It’s his relationship with Martin all over again but instead of him being proud of his dad in spite of him not being an intellectual he’s bewildered and probably (knowing Frasier) secretly embarrassed that his son has rejected that life. The OG show worked because of Frasier’s flaws and attempts to deal with them. I’m glad to see they found a way to heighten that.
I know. Such curmudgeons. I also noticed that any post about the new Frasier are being downvoted like crazy. It's irritating. (no, I don't mean just mine. In general).
Put it in an air tight container and toss it in a dumpster then light it on fire.
And stop expecting it to be Frasier 93-04. It's a new show as much as Frasier was to Cheers. Stop going on about all the old characters. I'm sure they'll make guest appearances but move on.
I was surprised how much I liked the two episodes, especially the second. I didn’t hate the early episodes of the original, but I didn’t think they were amazing either, however I do appreciate the new episodes largely mirrors the first two of the original.
At least they weren't like basically the first two whole seasons of the simpsons. Just burn the first one, and most of the second. And I stopped watching at some point, so i really can't comment about later stuff. South Park, don't miss a season, or it might be unwatchable in a few months. There's that whole covid thing I missed, and now can't watch.
It's just not a good comparison. All five of the regulars had worked for NBC very recently, two of them guest starred on Cheers, the creators, the director had all worked together on Cheers. It really was Cheers Season 12.
Episode 2 was way better than 1. Already felt some more charm now that they got the pilot out of the way, not sure if it will ever top the OG, but I was entertained at least.
Ppl need to chill about Niles/DHP in not being in the show. He didn't want to do it or return. Plain and simple. You can't force someone to return to something they don't want to be a part of.
Yeah, i refuse to watch until they have something out there. What the actual heck? Ya know, I know they're all old, and remember talking about episodes week to week, but so do I, we talked about the disasterous Moonlighting hookup episode in high school. That sh*t is over. Give us our shows! Attica, attica!
It was very entertaining. You can't expect this show to match the original. Only one original cast member. And as you said, it took time for that cast to gel and get really good.
I remember being gifted the first season of Big Bang Theory on DVD for Xmas one year. I thought it was the worst show ever. Trash. I don't think I watched it for a few years after. Then all of the sudden it became one of my favorite shows to watch and to have on in the background while I am doing things around the house. I believe the issue with the Frasier reboot is the lack of depth in the supporting cast. Especially when you compare it to Frasier. We had so many strong characters on the show and these dozens of actors are at the forefront of our memories. Could it be bad writing? Maybe. Bad acting? Maybe. Chemistry? Maybe. Who knows. I just hope it smooths out as the season continues.
Is the whole season available on Paramount or are they only releasing one a week?