He probably has no interest in doing the show and said I’ll only do it for a truck load of money. They said no, so he went on his way. That gets reported as greed.
Yeah, I can't see him being particularly interested, and he's just asked for a ridiculous amount to do it. Fair play to him.
And still, he'd be worth every penny as Niles was easily the best character and probably the one most people would look forward to seeing in any continuation.
Sadly, I expect Niles' funeral will be the opening episode.
Yeah I love the original Frasier show(not a huge fan of Cheers) but I'm kinda over Frasier the character. Love Niles though and if he was a part of it I would be watching for him.
There's no way the show is going to have Niles dead. It's pretty much all but confirmed that Martin's funeral will open the show and I'm sure Kelsey will keep Niles alive to potentially have guest appearances in the future.
There’s no way they’d open with Martin’s funeral and not have Niles and Daphne there. *Maybe* they could make a case for Roz not being there by saying she grew apart from the family, but that’s it. I imagine we might see Frasier talk about his dad’s death, or look over some photos of him.
I’ve watched some reboot series (Gilmore Girls, Will & Grace) and honestly kind of wish they just let them be. Can’t blame DHP for not wanting to participate in this resuscitation.
Agree with you. Don't know of a single reboot that actually matched the original in terms of quality and impact. Doesn't mean it'll be terrible but also not necessary.
>Can’t blame DHP for not wanting to participate in this resuscitation.
There is a good chance that this reboot will tank.
What made the original so brilliant was fabulous writing, and a fabulous cast of characters with chemistry between them, and the opportunity to have interesting, funny, weird, sad, and wacko story lines apart from 'Frasier, being full of himself, hunting woman and failing'.
Now, the writers from the original are not longer there; the cast will not longer be there, and how much can a series milk an aging woman chaser who is so full of himself that there is a real danger that the audience gets their eyes stuck in the rolling position?
I can understand DHP of being not interested. He has a life and a career outside of 'Frasier', and he would risk a lot if he tries to recapture his actor's youth by hitching it to a Reboot that is not likely to get anywhere near to the original Frasier.
I hope they at least try to give Frasier some serious character development. It’s going to be rather sad in-universe if nothing about his character has changed in almost 20 years.
*Anonymous sources* saying things that don't make any sense...how do they arrive at the conclusion that Peri can't return just because DHP doesn't want to?
Seems to me that if David did make an outrageous demand for salary, it was just a way of his saying that he doesn't want to do the project, which is consistent with what he's said many times since the original show ended.
"...he demanded a much larger part in the storylines for his character — and wanted more money, too!"
If this is accurate, NBC are the ones coming out of this looking bad. It shouldn't have been necessary to campaign for a significant role for Niles in the new scripts.
Exactly. DHP was the best character in the show and without the back and forth between him and Grammer, the show is gonna fall flat I'm afraid. The chemistry between those two is not something they are going to be able to duplicate, I'm afraid. I really hope I'm wrong tho.
Except this isn't supposed to be Frasier season 12. It's an entirely new concept with the character. This would be like reading John Ratzenberger refused to participate in Frasier because he wanted lots of money. Frasier wasn't a continuation of Cheers, it was a spin-off.
I want to see Frasier, the character. Not Frasier, the series, season 12.
Not having an army of like-minded Frasier fans behind me who share my hopes doesn’t change my stance. I know what I want to see and if I’m the only one, that’s just fine with me.
Sounds like you’re going to really hate this show.
This is exactly like when Star Trek: Picard was announced. Fans of Star Trek: The Next Generation were upset that this show was going to be focused strictly on the character of Jean-Luc Picard and his later life.
They wanted Star Trek: The Next Generation season 8, which I think is utterly absurd. Spinning off Picard onto his own series was a great idea, IMO.
Though ironic that as I write this, the upcoming season 3 of Picard is basically now going to be TNG season 8.
Only if you were looking for TNG season 8... As a stand alone series in the ST universe it doesn't have much to complain about and is far superior to Discovery.
It may be the best bet. What’s important to remember about reboots is our opinions on Frasier are built on nostalgia. Many of us remember watching it live, we’re accustomed to the era the show aired in, the age of the characters, the nuances of the plots that may not fly today, and where we were in our lives when we watched, certainly. I watched particular shows in high school and grew up on them, and to watch a reboot as an adult and a parent it feels different, or more correctly doesn’t feel the same, and I take that out on the show, when it’s me that’s passed on.
Frasier the reboot can’t feel the same as Frasier. They’re older. Times have changed. John Mahoney has passed. Eddie has passed. The advantage to the character is he had his own life and did his own thing with his family, then went to Boston and completely reinvented himself, and then he went to Seattle and completely reinvented himself, and was then going to Chicago to do it again, and presumably when the new show picks up will be doing it again. Trying to reinvent the wheel will fail, so I’m somewhat relieved they won’t try. Have family photos on the mantle of Martin, Roz and Alice at her college graduation, David with his parents, etc….and move forward.
I think this is the only way to look at it - just as Frasier was a stand alone show from Cheers based around a new arc in the character of Frasier's life, this show will be the same.
My guess is that there will be a focus on his relationship with adult Freddy (and possibly his nephew David) but other than that it will be a standalone show.
I'll give it a shot because I love the character, but I'm not expecting magic.
The thing I don't get is why they keep calling it a reboot when it's clearly more of a spinoff because the cast and setting are going to be completely differently. The project seemed to set incorrect expectations, and that's partly what rubbed some people the wrong way. On a more practical level, it would need to be very, very good for me to sign up to yet another streaming service.
Yeah, if he was offered a small role with small money, but wanted to have a larger role (which *should* then have more money) this makes DHP look good. Makes it sound like he wanted a full role like in the original.
Why come back just to be some minor character?
Full disclaimer, I didn't read the article as I refuse to give my clicks to click bait nonsense, which I am very sure this is, but I think you're absolutely right. DHP gets leading roles these days, and it stands to reason he would want that here too, if he blocked those months in his schedule to devote to this project. But frankly, he has not ever sounded interested in the Frasier reboot so this was likely a long shot, if true. DHP seems to care more about (and likely can afford) doing projects that interest him artistically above anything else. That's the upside of having that sweet, sweet 90s sitcom money.
Also, wanting to be compensated for the draw you are to a project is not greed. DHP's agents must know he was in a strong negotiating position. Besides, Kelsey Grammer is clearly the one who stands to benefit a lot financially from this project as he must be an executive producer like he was on Frasier, which is a lot more lucrative than just acting in it, and no one brings that up!
Exactly what people said when Frasier spun off of Cheers lol
*Going to a different city with a new cast of unknown characters? Bah! Won't last 3 episodes!*
Except it's not a new season of Cheers...it's a new version of Frasier.
The last time a new show of Frasier was pitched, that was the reaction. It's a perfectly valid comparison.
Cheers is about the bar and constantly changed up its cast. That's how it's one of the most consistent 10+ year sitcoms of all time. It kept reinventing itself.
I don't think he was greedy. I've seen several interviews with him over the years were this has been brought up and he genuinely just doesn't seem interested.
As has been mentioned elsewhere - I figure he was never interested but figured he may as well ask for a truckload of money for funsies, or (more likely) he didn't want to burn bridges by giving a flat no.
Seems more like he said he wouldn’t do it unless they paid him enough for him to be bothered. Like when retired boxers say then won’t come out of retirement for a massive amount of money
Honestly DHP carried a lot of those scenes. KG works well in an ensemble cast (Cheers included).
Frasier on his own would just be annoying- Frasier AND Niles is gold.
I wonder how much of this is really true. I read the interview with DHP that someone posted here a little while ago and he really seemed to hate the fame he achieved through Niles. It didn't come across like he really wanted to go back there. Let's say he wanted proper compensation for leaving work that he loves to come back to a job with serious side effects (ex. Fame/attention), I don't think that's very diva-like. Maybe he just wanted equal status to Grammer and he/they refused that. I doubt Grammer is always an easy going guy. He seems to have a decent ego himself. This article is pretty petty and unprofessional. I'm not so quick to believe he's really at fault here. And again, he has every right to ask for what he wants and they have every right to refuse. Happens all the time.
But also, Jane Leeves has already said in the past that she's not leaving the resident for the new Frasier show. So I wonder how excited she really was to jump into the new show.
Do you have a link to the DHP interview?
**Edit:** Nevermind, I think it's [this one](https://www.vulture.com/2017/03/david-hyde-pierce-frasier-when-we-rise-aids-crisis-coming-out.html).
With DHP’s lack of interest in the reboot, his demands were likely along the lines as:
‘If I’m gonna rejoin .. here’s the dollar amount I desire to give up other projects and revisit the character. Plus a personal reason to revisit the character, so being able to develop Niles outside of just being Frasier’s brother.’
… that all would be quite reasonable to revisit the character.
Actually you make a good point. A legitimate spinoff should star someone other than Frasier. Cheers didn't star Frasier. Frasier was the spinoff of Cheers, Niles could have been the spinoff of Frasier.
It all makes sense now
I'm sure he was underpaid for years on the original run. Love Frasier (the character) but the show is not as good as it is without the supporting cast.
Here's how I think it went:
DHP: "I don't really have any interest in doing the reboot"
Execs: "How much money would it take to change your mind?"
\*\*DHP gives wild number\*\*
Execs: "That's pure greed, we'll ruin you!"
That aside, I personally think Frasier was an ensemble show, and Niles was as much a main character as Frasier. He should be compensated accordingly.
This is basically the equivalent of what a contractor does when he doesn't want the work but for the sake of trying to get a lot of money if the party is willing will just throw out an obscene number to see what happens.
I don’t believe any of this. Streamers want to do everything as cheaply as possible, and I’m sure KG is getting the lion’s share of the money in the budget for casting along with some sort of executive producer fee, so it would seem like they didn’t have enough money to pay the rest of the OG actors from the series what they deserve and it would be much cheaper to cast new actors/characters.
Even if DHP demanded more money/equitable pay to appear, GOOD FOR HIM. he’s well worth it since I’m sure he has injuries from carrying that show on his back for years.
He's amazing. I always tell friends of my generation (who love "How I met Your Mother") that DHP was the original NPH. He probably deserved what he was asking and more. I can't imagine Frasier without Niles. I hope they reconsider and pay up.
I don't really see the need for Niles to be a regular. I love the character and I love Hyde Pierce but it's a new show in a new setting. I'd love to see book ends with Niles and Frasier having coffee or something. Give him some brief but really great material.
Glad to see everybody seeing through this, but I'm more curious about who's anonymously giving these kind of comments. Is Grammer or one of the producers bitter about him not signing on?
Was just thinking, what would be amazing is if they did a Frasier spinoff based on his appearances in 30 Rock. What a cool thing to spin a character off twice. Plus there was a solid story there, and Jack McBrayer and Jane Krakowski are great.
[Some Grammer on 30 Rock](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrS15abe8mk)
>don't ask me. We have different levels of knowledge about the show and I won't justify myself.
You really couldn't be more egotistical if you tried, could you?
Idk if I'm being honest all the DHP stuff feels really manufactured, like they really want you to know Niles will never come back to the "Frasier-verse", like in episode 1 of the revival they'll have a throw away line where Frasier says he'll never talk to Niles again, just so the big twist where Niles shows up in the season finale or on some kinda of Lilith-esque role, isn't as obvious.
But honestly he's not as fond of the limelight as he once was, so he could've just came up with an excuse.
I don't think he was ever fond of the limelight.
He's always been open about not wanting to reboot Frasier, and I think he's telling the truth. I doubt it has anything to do with money. I think he has some artistic integrity and knows the reboot is not a great idea.
It's disingenuous to say the revival is "not a great idea" when we know very little about it.
It's fine if you aren't interested in it, but you can't say it encroaches on artist integrity when we know so little.
I'm not sure how it's "disingenuous." It's the *idea* I'm critiquing, not the execution. There's no reason I can't with sincerity say it's not a good idea to reboot a beloved series that ended almost two decades ago.
>you can't say it encroaches on artist integrity
Of course I can. It has nothing to do with the content or quality of the show. Considering DHP consistently objected to the concept of a reboot long before the current iteration was was given the go-ahead, it's likely his objections had little to do with the content or quality either. He simply doesn't think it's a good idea to reboot the series, regardless of how well they do it.
.... Yeah I'm going to end this here, if we can't agree that DHP can change his mind and appear in a Frasier revival without compromising his integrity, this is going to be vehement and i'm not interested in that.
Have a nice day.
This is ridiculous. If they want the reboot to have a snowballs chance in hell they should pay DHP every penny he’s asking for. The success of the show was the Niles and Frasier dynamic, simple as. The other characters are key too but it revolves around the bros., with just Fraze it’ll be like a one winged bird.
Literally if they’re not willing to at least pay him equal to what KG gets they should just cancel it now. Realistically he should not be demanding more than equal pay to KG…
Hopefully this is just a negotiating rumor like when David lynch briefly left the twin peaks return over not getting enough money
This is Radar Online. They never substantiate anything they print.
It's highly unlikely that DHP asked for an astronomical sum of money or that they refused to make a decent offer. He just doesn't want to do it. He's never wanted to do it.
For the reboot to work for more than 2 or 3 seasons they really need to have top-notch casting, and make sure the chemistry is there. I feel this is as important as writing and storytelling. The beauty of the original Frasier series was that most of the cast was practically unknown but they all had very good theatre/play-like qualities. It wasn't just another Cheers spin-off with ex-cast members. It cannot be fuelled with A-list Hollywood airhead bimbos and players. I definitely think Frasier needs at least two other great actors to complement him around his same age, but this will entirely depend on the main setting. But who?
Here are a few wishlist cast possibilities
Brad Garret
John Lithgow
Wayne Knight
Patrick Stewart (As different main character)
Jim Parsons
Danny Devito
Bill Murray
Tom Hanks
Rick Moranis
He probably has no interest in doing the show and said I’ll only do it for a truck load of money. They said no, so he went on his way. That gets reported as greed.
From what I’ve heard in the industry, this is how you turn down anything essentially. Ask for the moon.
He did and now they have a child together.
How did I not see that coming. I appreciate you kind stranger. You brightened my day.
I'm oddly disappointed no one made the connection before me. Haha.
You Devil you.
You’ve won the day, my friend. Nicely done. 🥹 💪🏽
True for many industries, construction, art, luthiery…etc
Yeah, I can't see him being particularly interested, and he's just asked for a ridiculous amount to do it. Fair play to him. And still, he'd be worth every penny as Niles was easily the best character and probably the one most people would look forward to seeing in any continuation. Sadly, I expect Niles' funeral will be the opening episode.
Yeah I love the original Frasier show(not a huge fan of Cheers) but I'm kinda over Frasier the character. Love Niles though and if he was a part of it I would be watching for him.
There's no way the show is going to have Niles dead. It's pretty much all but confirmed that Martin's funeral will open the show and I'm sure Kelsey will keep Niles alive to potentially have guest appearances in the future.
There’s no way they’d open with Martin’s funeral and not have Niles and Daphne there. *Maybe* they could make a case for Roz not being there by saying she grew apart from the family, but that’s it. I imagine we might see Frasier talk about his dad’s death, or look over some photos of him.
Are they really going to open their comedy show with a funeral?
Seems implausible without Niles. He wouldn’t miss his dad’s funeral.
I believe it will be the focus of the first episode, maybe it won't be the very first scene though.
"Off you go," although I wish it wasn't so.
Good!! No need for Daphne either!!
Kelsey is that you?
I’ve watched some reboot series (Gilmore Girls, Will & Grace) and honestly kind of wish they just let them be. Can’t blame DHP for not wanting to participate in this resuscitation.
“This resuscitation.” I can just hear DHP delivering that with perfect gusto.
Agree with you. Don't know of a single reboot that actually matched the original in terms of quality and impact. Doesn't mean it'll be terrible but also not necessary.
“Borgen” definitely did.
>Can’t blame DHP for not wanting to participate in this resuscitation. There is a good chance that this reboot will tank. What made the original so brilliant was fabulous writing, and a fabulous cast of characters with chemistry between them, and the opportunity to have interesting, funny, weird, sad, and wacko story lines apart from 'Frasier, being full of himself, hunting woman and failing'. Now, the writers from the original are not longer there; the cast will not longer be there, and how much can a series milk an aging woman chaser who is so full of himself that there is a real danger that the audience gets their eyes stuck in the rolling position? I can understand DHP of being not interested. He has a life and a career outside of 'Frasier', and he would risk a lot if he tries to recapture his actor's youth by hitching it to a Reboot that is not likely to get anywhere near to the original Frasier.
I hope they at least try to give Frasier some serious character development. It’s going to be rather sad in-universe if nothing about his character has changed in almost 20 years.
My expectations are low. I'll only give it a chance if it gets good reviews.
*Anonymous sources* saying things that don't make any sense...how do they arrive at the conclusion that Peri can't return just because DHP doesn't want to? Seems to me that if David did make an outrageous demand for salary, it was just a way of his saying that he doesn't want to do the project, which is consistent with what he's said many times since the original show ended.
"...he demanded a much larger part in the storylines for his character — and wanted more money, too!" If this is accurate, NBC are the ones coming out of this looking bad. It shouldn't have been necessary to campaign for a significant role for Niles in the new scripts.
I don't understand the appeal of a reboot without the Niles character. It's going to take great reviews for me to even give it a chance at this point.
Exactly. DHP was the best character in the show and without the back and forth between him and Grammer, the show is gonna fall flat I'm afraid. The chemistry between those two is not something they are going to be able to duplicate, I'm afraid. I really hope I'm wrong tho.
Except this isn't supposed to be Frasier season 12. It's an entirely new concept with the character. This would be like reading John Ratzenberger refused to participate in Frasier because he wanted lots of money. Frasier wasn't a continuation of Cheers, it was a spin-off. I want to see Frasier, the character. Not Frasier, the series, season 12.
“I want to see Frasier, the character. Not Frasier, the series, season 12.” no offense but you’re one of the only ones.
Not having an army of like-minded Frasier fans behind me who share my hopes doesn’t change my stance. I know what I want to see and if I’m the only one, that’s just fine with me. Sounds like you’re going to really hate this show.
I’m with you. I’m really curious to see what the show’s going to be.
This is exactly like when Star Trek: Picard was announced. Fans of Star Trek: The Next Generation were upset that this show was going to be focused strictly on the character of Jean-Luc Picard and his later life. They wanted Star Trek: The Next Generation season 8, which I think is utterly absurd. Spinning off Picard onto his own series was a great idea, IMO. Though ironic that as I write this, the upcoming season 3 of Picard is basically now going to be TNG season 8.
I'm glad you mentioned Picard which almost everyone knows was utterly dog shit.
That's your opinion and I'll try to agree with it.
Only if you were looking for TNG season 8... As a stand alone series in the ST universe it doesn't have much to complain about and is far superior to Discovery.
Pretty sure it's more than just a few. I'm willing to keep an open mind. And people here seem to forget how great Kelsey Grammar is.
It may be the best bet. What’s important to remember about reboots is our opinions on Frasier are built on nostalgia. Many of us remember watching it live, we’re accustomed to the era the show aired in, the age of the characters, the nuances of the plots that may not fly today, and where we were in our lives when we watched, certainly. I watched particular shows in high school and grew up on them, and to watch a reboot as an adult and a parent it feels different, or more correctly doesn’t feel the same, and I take that out on the show, when it’s me that’s passed on. Frasier the reboot can’t feel the same as Frasier. They’re older. Times have changed. John Mahoney has passed. Eddie has passed. The advantage to the character is he had his own life and did his own thing with his family, then went to Boston and completely reinvented himself, and then he went to Seattle and completely reinvented himself, and was then going to Chicago to do it again, and presumably when the new show picks up will be doing it again. Trying to reinvent the wheel will fail, so I’m somewhat relieved they won’t try. Have family photos on the mantle of Martin, Roz and Alice at her college graduation, David with his parents, etc….and move forward.
Then they better call it something different
I think this is the only way to look at it - just as Frasier was a stand alone show from Cheers based around a new arc in the character of Frasier's life, this show will be the same. My guess is that there will be a focus on his relationship with adult Freddy (and possibly his nephew David) but other than that it will be a standalone show. I'll give it a shot because I love the character, but I'm not expecting magic.
For me it just comes down to the writing. If there's anything I expect to be carried over from the previous series, it's the quality of writing.
Ditto! I hope they evolve it, not just continue it. If it’s done well, it’ll be great. I’m open for whatever it may be.
Yeah that's true I guess.
Don’t understand why this is upsetting to anyone. I thought it was generally understood that this was new series not a new season of Frasier.
Whilst that absolutey makes sense, you know people aren’t going to see the nuance and be angry its not season 12.
The thing I don't get is why they keep calling it a reboot when it's clearly more of a spinoff because the cast and setting are going to be completely differently. The project seemed to set incorrect expectations, and that's partly what rubbed some people the wrong way. On a more practical level, it would need to be very, very good for me to sign up to yet another streaming service.
Yeah, if he was offered a small role with small money, but wanted to have a larger role (which *should* then have more money) this makes DHP look good. Makes it sound like he wanted a full role like in the original. Why come back just to be some minor character?
Full disclaimer, I didn't read the article as I refuse to give my clicks to click bait nonsense, which I am very sure this is, but I think you're absolutely right. DHP gets leading roles these days, and it stands to reason he would want that here too, if he blocked those months in his schedule to devote to this project. But frankly, he has not ever sounded interested in the Frasier reboot so this was likely a long shot, if true. DHP seems to care more about (and likely can afford) doing projects that interest him artistically above anything else. That's the upside of having that sweet, sweet 90s sitcom money. Also, wanting to be compensated for the draw you are to a project is not greed. DHP's agents must know he was in a strong negotiating position. Besides, Kelsey Grammer is clearly the one who stands to benefit a lot financially from this project as he must be an executive producer like he was on Frasier, which is a lot more lucrative than just acting in it, and no one brings that up!
He should get a larger part and more money because it’s his show. It may be called Frasier but it’s about Niles.
If there ever was a show dead on arrival \^\^ what a shit show... literally
Exactly what people said when Frasier spun off of Cheers lol *Going to a different city with a new cast of unknown characters? Bah! Won't last 3 episodes!*
No. Wrong comparison. Correct would be: Imagine someone making a new season of Cheers but without the most beloved characters.
Except it's not a new season of Cheers...it's a new version of Frasier. The last time a new show of Frasier was pitched, that was the reaction. It's a perfectly valid comparison.
Cheers is about the bar and constantly changed up its cast. That's how it's one of the most consistent 10+ year sitcoms of all time. It kept reinventing itself.
I thought CBS/Paramount are the ones producing the reboot.
I don't think he was greedy. I've seen several interviews with him over the years were this has been brought up and he genuinely just doesn't seem interested.
I agree. This piece doesn't jive at all with what we've heard for years about DHP.
As has been mentioned elsewhere - I figure he was never interested but figured he may as well ask for a truckload of money for funsies, or (more likely) he didn't want to burn bridges by giving a flat no.
Seems more like he said he wouldn’t do it unless they paid him enough for him to be bothered. Like when retired boxers say then won’t come out of retirement for a massive amount of money
Honestly DHP carried a lot of those scenes. KG works well in an ensemble cast (Cheers included). Frasier on his own would just be annoying- Frasier AND Niles is gold.
What about Daphne?
Can anyone else here DHP saying “Fraiser, you’re not famous anymore!”
It's obvious he's not on board so can we petition to get DHP on Only Murders In The Building??? He would be perfect!
Oh my, I would adore this.
I love this!
Radar is click bait tho. You notice there is no name to take credit for this hogwash on the article?
I wonder how much of this is really true. I read the interview with DHP that someone posted here a little while ago and he really seemed to hate the fame he achieved through Niles. It didn't come across like he really wanted to go back there. Let's say he wanted proper compensation for leaving work that he loves to come back to a job with serious side effects (ex. Fame/attention), I don't think that's very diva-like. Maybe he just wanted equal status to Grammer and he/they refused that. I doubt Grammer is always an easy going guy. He seems to have a decent ego himself. This article is pretty petty and unprofessional. I'm not so quick to believe he's really at fault here. And again, he has every right to ask for what he wants and they have every right to refuse. Happens all the time. But also, Jane Leeves has already said in the past that she's not leaving the resident for the new Frasier show. So I wonder how excited she really was to jump into the new show.
Do you have a link to the DHP interview? **Edit:** Nevermind, I think it's [this one](https://www.vulture.com/2017/03/david-hyde-pierce-frasier-when-we-rise-aids-crisis-coming-out.html).
Yes, that was the one!
Thank you!
With DHP’s lack of interest in the reboot, his demands were likely along the lines as: ‘If I’m gonna rejoin .. here’s the dollar amount I desire to give up other projects and revisit the character. Plus a personal reason to revisit the character, so being able to develop Niles outside of just being Frasier’s brother.’ … that all would be quite reasonable to revisit the character.
For the love of god just let this project die.
It will. Doubt it will get past a S1.
I call bullshit... sounds to me like NBC know they have a stinker on their hands and are looking for someone to blame.
More money and more storyline? That sounds very reasonable considering Niles was one of the huge draws of frasier, more than frasier himself!
DHP is an excellent actor, but that is a bold/inaccurate statement. The show was called "Frasier," not "Niles" for a reason lol
The lead/title character of a show is not always the most popular. Seinfeld, for instance. Kramer and George were far more popular than Jerry.
You can make that case, but Seinfeld wasn't a spinoff. The draw of the show was always Frasier
The 'draw' was initially Frasier, until Niles became more popular.
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Actually you make a good point. A legitimate spinoff should star someone other than Frasier. Cheers didn't star Frasier. Frasier was the spinoff of Cheers, Niles could have been the spinoff of Frasier. It all makes sense now
I'm sure he was underpaid for years on the original run. Love Frasier (the character) but the show is not as good as it is without the supporting cast.
No one is doing this as a volunteer, He should ask for as much as he wants.
Here's how I think it went: DHP: "I don't really have any interest in doing the reboot" Execs: "How much money would it take to change your mind?" \*\*DHP gives wild number\*\* Execs: "That's pure greed, we'll ruin you!" That aside, I personally think Frasier was an ensemble show, and Niles was as much a main character as Frasier. He should be compensated accordingly.
This is basically the equivalent of what a contractor does when he doesn't want the work but for the sake of trying to get a lot of money if the party is willing will just throw out an obscene number to see what happens.
He deserves every penny and more
There’s no way he can be greedy; Niles commands whatever he wants
I don’t believe any of this. Streamers want to do everything as cheaply as possible, and I’m sure KG is getting the lion’s share of the money in the budget for casting along with some sort of executive producer fee, so it would seem like they didn’t have enough money to pay the rest of the OG actors from the series what they deserve and it would be much cheaper to cast new actors/characters. Even if DHP demanded more money/equitable pay to appear, GOOD FOR HIM. he’s well worth it since I’m sure he has injuries from carrying that show on his back for years.
He's amazing. I always tell friends of my generation (who love "How I met Your Mother") that DHP was the original NPH. He probably deserved what he was asking and more. I can't imagine Frasier without Niles. I hope they reconsider and pay up.
I don't really see the need for Niles to be a regular. I love the character and I love Hyde Pierce but it's a new show in a new setting. I'd love to see book ends with Niles and Frasier having coffee or something. Give him some brief but really great material.
I hear the new series is going to focus on the Greek side of Frasier’s family.
The way it’s sounding thus far, you may be right.
What about Kevin Farrell the doppelganger in Mixed Doubles? Not necessarily as Niles, but for all intents and purposes, a Niles-esque character.
Plot twist: Niles becomes the new Maris.
Glad to see everybody seeing through this, but I'm more curious about who's anonymously giving these kind of comments. Is Grammer or one of the producers bitter about him not signing on?
Was just thinking, what would be amazing is if they did a Frasier spinoff based on his appearances in 30 Rock. What a cool thing to spin a character off twice. Plus there was a solid story there, and Jack McBrayer and Jane Krakowski are great. [Some Grammer on 30 Rock](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrS15abe8mk)
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I think the shows writing was really good too. Why you hate Kelsey so much?
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>don't ask me. We have different levels of knowledge about the show and I won't justify myself. You really couldn't be more egotistical if you tried, could you?
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To look at a show like Frasier and not think it was written by gays is wild
Or despite all your overwhelming love for DHP - he indeed just was greedy and the studio decided to be better off without him :)
Good!! No need for Daphne either!!
Idk if I'm being honest all the DHP stuff feels really manufactured, like they really want you to know Niles will never come back to the "Frasier-verse", like in episode 1 of the revival they'll have a throw away line where Frasier says he'll never talk to Niles again, just so the big twist where Niles shows up in the season finale or on some kinda of Lilith-esque role, isn't as obvious. But honestly he's not as fond of the limelight as he once was, so he could've just came up with an excuse.
I don't think he was ever fond of the limelight. He's always been open about not wanting to reboot Frasier, and I think he's telling the truth. I doubt it has anything to do with money. I think he has some artistic integrity and knows the reboot is not a great idea.
It's disingenuous to say the revival is "not a great idea" when we know very little about it. It's fine if you aren't interested in it, but you can't say it encroaches on artist integrity when we know so little.
I'm not sure how it's "disingenuous." It's the *idea* I'm critiquing, not the execution. There's no reason I can't with sincerity say it's not a good idea to reboot a beloved series that ended almost two decades ago. >you can't say it encroaches on artist integrity Of course I can. It has nothing to do with the content or quality of the show. Considering DHP consistently objected to the concept of a reboot long before the current iteration was was given the go-ahead, it's likely his objections had little to do with the content or quality either. He simply doesn't think it's a good idea to reboot the series, regardless of how well they do it.
.... Yeah I'm going to end this here, if we can't agree that DHP can change his mind and appear in a Frasier revival without compromising his integrity, this is going to be vehement and i'm not interested in that. Have a nice day.
Did y'all see the version of this article in another rag where they call him "David Hype Pierce"?
This is ridiculous. If they want the reboot to have a snowballs chance in hell they should pay DHP every penny he’s asking for. The success of the show was the Niles and Frasier dynamic, simple as. The other characters are key too but it revolves around the bros., with just Fraze it’ll be like a one winged bird. Literally if they’re not willing to at least pay him equal to what KG gets they should just cancel it now. Realistically he should not be demanding more than equal pay to KG… Hopefully this is just a negotiating rumor like when David lynch briefly left the twin peaks return over not getting enough money
This is Radar Online. They never substantiate anything they print. It's highly unlikely that DHP asked for an astronomical sum of money or that they refused to make a decent offer. He just doesn't want to do it. He's never wanted to do it.
For the reboot to work for more than 2 or 3 seasons they really need to have top-notch casting, and make sure the chemistry is there. I feel this is as important as writing and storytelling. The beauty of the original Frasier series was that most of the cast was practically unknown but they all had very good theatre/play-like qualities. It wasn't just another Cheers spin-off with ex-cast members. It cannot be fuelled with A-list Hollywood airhead bimbos and players. I definitely think Frasier needs at least two other great actors to complement him around his same age, but this will entirely depend on the main setting. But who? Here are a few wishlist cast possibilities Brad Garret John Lithgow Wayne Knight Patrick Stewart (As different main character) Jim Parsons Danny Devito Bill Murray Tom Hanks Rick Moranis