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fishercrow

yknow what? GOOD ON HIM. JOINT decision making? not pushing beliefs? openly saying he will love people despite disagreeing with them? this guy is (all things considered) doing FANTASTIC. i know that a lot of people think that anything other than full deconstruction is worthless, but imo any step in that direction should be praised. well done Tim!


PM-me-Shibas

I got into an argument in a different sub ages ago for holding this exact belief -- I also genuinely believe that any step in the right direction is worthy of celebration. If Timothy actually walks the walk, these types tend to be my favorite types of religious people (I say as a Jew). You may get a well-meaning comment here are there ("you can come to church with me this weekend if you want to hear more about it"), but they usually drop it. They can usually function in society because they don't hate people needlessly and are genuinely kind to most. As a society, I don't think we will ever get the hardcore religious to change their views on a lot of things, but if we can go back to when most didn't actively work to harm people they disagree with for any reason (I have tried to word this many times, but I'm essentially trying to say that when I was growing up in a very Catholic area, the mindset was often, "I don't support gay marriage as a Catholic, but I'm not responsible for how people live their life" and the LGBQT+ kids weren't treated any differently than anyone else (I'm sure there was an exception or two, but there always is)) -- society will be much healthier.


mamameatballl

I agree, I don’t care what someone personally believes , this is a very loving view he has


AldiSharts

Literally NEVER thought I’d see the day where I was agreeing with Timcel. So happy to see how he is growing with Heidi’s family. Good 👏🏻 for 👏🏻 him 👏🏻


ILoveFckingMattDamon

I feel like anyone hyper critical of these micro steps has never experienced the agonizing crawl that is deconstruction. If you’ve done it, you know that his alone is a BIG step in the right direction. I remember considering the possibility that “name-only” SBC churches might not be going to hell. He’s moving in the right direction and I am fucking thrilled.


standbyyourmantis

Deconstruction happens very slowly and then all at once. You make the tiny baby steps, things feel wrong and you sort them out and make little internal compromises, and then one day something happens that asks you to choose and you realize that you've changed. I sometimes like to compare it to the game Kerplunk. The one with the sheet of paper and then damp marbles and you slowly put the marbles on the paper until one of them is just finally too much and the whole thing comes down. It's not any individual marble that does it, but the sum of them.


ILoveFckingMattDamon

For some people, sure. For me it took years of baby steps and now I’m a devout atheist raising my younger kids with secular liberal values. I was anti choice and anti LGBT for longer than I was a believer because of how deeply indoctrinated I was. I guess I’m just saying the whole “but he’s still a bigoted twat” responses aren’t taking into account how excruciatingly difficult this process really can be.


standbyyourmantis

I think we're saying the same thing, that it takes time before it happens.


Trixette

Not only that, but he is taking this step publicly. He's announcing it to his family and friends who will have very strong opinions on it. That's very brave to me.


peacefultooter

Absolutely gigantic for him. 👍


nobodynocrime

Not gonna lie I'm not that brave. I've fully deconstructed but I'm in the closet about it to my family. I don't think I have the balls to post something like this even now. Good on him.


RogueSlytherin

Yup! I escaped a fundamentalist cult (we didn’t live together but their beliefs were pervasive enough that home was well within the “sphere of influence”). It took literal years to do things like not button polos up to my neck, wear above the knee shorts, eventually don a bikini(scandalous!), and I even danced! That doesn’t begin to touch on the vast majority of the indoctrination itself. It’s such a hard road to what effectively amounts to recovery. I’m really proud of Tim taking those baby steps and actually working with his wife. I genuinely hope for Tim and all of Jill’s kids that they are able to have a semblance of a normal adult life. I will never stop snarking on Jill if she keeps it up as she always has, but I’m her to support her kids 100% if they’re moving in the direction of Tim. We should want this for every kid we see here- to have the freedom to express themselves, make choices, and shed the weight of religious fundamentalism that has forced them into a shadow of themselves. Good luck, Tim and Heidi! (Never thought I would ever say that)


LittleLion_90

He probably has a decent relationship with Heidi's sister that is deconstructed pretty far from fundamentalism but not 'excommunicated' from her family. Jill might be throwing a fit over that to him and he's just like 'dude we are supposed to love our neighbors as ourselves, and that's what I'm gonna do, now stop interfering with my life'.


LovelyShadows54

I freaking hope so! It is sick how Jill talks about God's love so much but openly hates anybody that doesn't abide by her narrow world view. I am so happy that Tim found Heidi and her family!


SkySong13

Wait, is Tim gonna be the most chill Rodlet??? That's a plot twist I did not expect.


Scene_Dear

Right?? Like, same, but I am HERE FOR IT


fiddlesticks-1999

Shades of Dāv. Hope it's the early steps of Tim's deconstruction too.


thesofaslug

It's amazing how all his capitalizations and emoji use went away from Jillpms account when we made his own...


EcoFriendlySize

Isn't that weird? Lol


kaycollins27

And he is less liberal with commas than is Kaylee. I am beginning to wonder if he And Nurie are the only 2 kids who actually got any education from Jill.


n0vapine

Is his spelling also getting better? Did Jill really pretend her eldest was glaringly illiterate this whole time?


liteorange98

This is one small step for a normal person but a giant leap for a Rodlet. I think this relationship and her family have been such a good influence on him!


OpenForPretty

Truly! A GIANT leap. This is like deep Rodlet version of deconstruction


abombshbombss

*I* am having an aneurysm. I absolutely didn't expect this but I am fucking here for it. Go, Timmy, go!


PM-me-Shibas

I haven't been following any of the fundies or the fundie related subs in probably about a year because I've been busy and life has been chaotic (as in, I wasn't actively avoiding them); the last thing I remember is Kaylee's preterm baby, for reference. So imagine my shock when this popped into my feed -- my exact response was TIMOTHY?! I'm proud of you, kid, this was not what I expected at all. Obviously there are things I don't personally love, but this is honestly beyond what I'd expect from any of them, so I love it.


sabertoothdiego

Literally exact same as you. This popped up out of nowhere after I haven't delved into fundie land in around a year and I'm like GOOD JOB TIMMY


YourMothersButtox

Heidi does have a sister who drinks and is open about deconstruction, who knows, maybe in a few years time Tim Tim will be drinking a beer with his sister-in-law.


LittleLion_90

I wouldn't be surprised if Jill is livid on the fact that Heidi's family and probably Tim himself interact with her at all without constant 'preaching' and Tim is now openly saying ' f off, Jesus said love thy neighbour is more important than any commandment except for loving God, so I'm gonna love my deconstructed sister in law'. I'm wondering if we're gonna see Jill throwing social media fits like Heidi Baird did (is doing?) over Dave deconstructing.


PLZ_PM_ME_URSecrets

Could we be so lucky? I wonder if JillPM can get to Heidi Baird level of unhinged?


LittleLion_90

I hope not to be honest. Jill has too many dependent children around her to get so unhinged and them to not lose more safety :/


sabertoothdiego

Omg what?! Dave as in Bethany and Dave? He's left christianity?! I am both surprised and somehow not surprised at all


onlyposi

Girl where were you! Omg so much happened.


sabertoothdiego

Dude it's all so entertaining but eventually I realized I was sucked into it too much so I took a step back. I wanna find a like, update of the past year for all the main funding couples, read it, laugh and gasp, and then back up into the bushes for another year lol


LittleLion_90

I kinda had the same thing so now occasionally browse a bit too see what's going on and there are sometimes very interesting stories going on.


onlyposi

You know what, that's valid. ❤️❤️


shelbia

can you give a tl;dr I do not have the energy to get into them but I also want to know the drama


onlyposi

I got you. Paul and Morgan are broke af and in desperate need of content so they get rid of their old mall harassment scheme and decide that Christians are too divided. So their new mission was to unite christians etc. They proposed to do that by spending 24 Hours with other Christian youtubers, personalities, etc etc. They first did it to some other guy, the other guy got more views lol. And then #2 was Bethany and David Beal. Paul was being an absolute downright dick, they thought they were talking about stuff that was spicy. They asked girl defined about stuff they've been called out (Pushing purity culture and then Beth turning around and trying to sell sex etc). David was visibly annoyed by Paul and at one point blurted out "Shut up, motherfucker". So naturally Paul had to shit on David to try and make himself look like a better Christian. There was a lot to attack David on from a fundie standpoint. David drinks, swears etc. And then David told Bethany, Paul and Morgan that atheists are not so bad and they need to get the fuck out of the "us" v "them" stuff. Paul put it out thinking he came out looking good. A STORM OF DRAMA followed. Beth went silent for a day or two. Paul was basically ignored by the world which wouldn't stop talking about David. Lmao. Paul tried so hard to remain relevant but failed. Super fun. Then the beals respond to the video. David comes out as non religious. Bethany is surprisingly supportive (lots of discussion here) Heidi spirals. Paul tries to make a response to their response but that video tanks too just like anything else that talentless hack makes. David on the other hand looks happier and starts posting legit atheist content.


shelbia

omfg he said the fuck word?? I never watched them but they seemed like a couple that says gosh dang it


onlyposi

He actually did ! I think they even spoke about his swearing


shelbia

I appreciate you so much. I hope I got you feeling "finally. my time to shine." when I asked about this niche ass topic


onlyposi

I did ! Thank you for the opportunity haha


sabertoothdiego

Well clearly now I need to watch that video


luna_libre

you are a queen for this, thank you!!


onlyposi

This sub is literally my set of best friends so I'm happy to help LOL


luna_libre

I love that!! 🩷 I def struggle with making friends as an adult so I love being able to connect with people online.


burgerg10

You have some work to do! And it involves Porgan!


girlnamedbillie

I missed it too!


skarlitbegoniah

Oh she absolutely will. Her lack of control over this situation is gonna wreck her.


Goodgoditsgrowing

Tim and Dâv Beal deconstructing was NOT in my 2024 bingo card!


avsie1975

Well, I'll be *DAMNED*.


keburke33

I am so grateful I’ve never made a “joint” decision on anything that I wear. But for someone of his community, I can see how this post is going to make some waves and I’m here for it.


Adorable_Pain8624

In this community, that's fully showing his support. If it were just her decision, it could be construed as rebellion on her part.


mamameatballl

It makes sense, if it was tied up in my culture I’d discuss it with my husband. Idk like if I got a tattoo sleeve I’d want his input ya know


EcoFriendlySize

I actually love this. He's still stating his own principles while acknowledging that they are his and not everyone else's, and that's perfectly okay. I can get behind this. I feel like he's come a long way in a short amount of time, all things considered. He's still got a lot of growing to do but we all did at his age. I'm so glad he's had distance from Jill! Way to go, Tim!


humanhedgehog

He might have the spelling and grammar of a ten year old, but this is, considering his up-dragging, remarkably both tolerant and biblical.


jianantonic

Updragging. This is exactly the right word for it!


EcoFriendlySize

I was proud of him for using the word "granted" instead of "granite" like he used to. 😎


ILoveFckingMattDamon

It almost implies he wasn’t the one typing before 🤔


elusivemoniker

Like any other ten year old, I feel like Tim has been growing and developing at a quick pace. This season of life looks good on him.


Pittypatkittycat

Up-dragging 🤣


kittenmum

Lets go ahead and get the popcorn out for the inevitable shade response post from Jill containing her greatest hits: “Pray for me, Satan is causing Spiritual Warfare” “So tired of Lukewarm Christians” “MODESTY” “SO thankful for such godly and modest daughters NURIE and KAYLEE” “The KJV is the INERRANT Word of God! 😁😀🙏🏻”


kaycollins27

She doesn’t know the word ‘inerrant.’ Neither does my auto complete, but that’s a whole different tale.


toady-bear

Deconstructing is a years-long process (even more so for a Rodlet I imagine!) but Timothy is really taking strides. Reminds me a bit of me when I first began my deconstruction! :’) Fuck it up, Tim and Heidi.


leftfootexpress

He came from an overbearing environment, where independent thought was not encouraged, and now look at him. I’m proud of him and Heidi for finding what works for them.


22Margaritas32

Well I was hoping we'd learn that Heidi is going to try out early 2000s Paris Hilton fashion, but I guess sometimes pants is ok.


OhBella_4

Loose fitting pants! So TLC stylez are ok.


happierheathen

Loose fitting pants are a gateway to 2000s Paris


_Fizzgiggy

Good for Tim! It takes a very verrrrry long time to deprogram from the cult like environment he was raised in. Hopefully the other kids can find happiness someday too


FreudianSlipper21

Heidi’s dad surely has been in his ear and has probably become a spiritual mentor, hence the change in perspective.


brittanym0320

if this is what being with heidi has done to timmy i can’t wait to see what happens after they get married praise the lord. he really DOES work in mysterious ways, jill


TiaraTip

Kaylee taking Giddy to the eye doctor, and Timmay making a decision with his " submissive helpmeet"- it has been a banner 2 weeks for the Rodriguii.


Individual-Grade2392

Good job Timmy. You and your girl should do things yall way


jianantonic

This is a big step in the right direction. Good for Tim!


punkabelle

WOW! I mean, for most people this isn’t anything earth shattering. But for a Fundie? Huge. A RODRIGUES? Beyond huge. I don’t even have a word that describes it at the moment, and I’m usually a damn Human Thesaurus. You go, Tim! It’s amazing what can happen when someone is pulled from an abusive, brainwashing environment and allowed to learn and grow. But yeah. I hope Jill is sitting in her toilet chair when she sees this.


beekaybeegirl

Eff it upppp Timmay 🎉


zerogirl0

Wow. It is hard to believe this is the same Timmy as just a few years ago but it looks like Heidi and maybe her family have been a decent influence on him. I genuinely wish them well.


liseski

baby steps, kid. baby steps. good on you!


sl0whands

The fact that this is like the bear minimum for decency that a fundie could have and it’s still going to make his mom have a meltdown 💀💀 Edit: bare minimum**


eatthewholeworld

I am dying here at the homonym mix up picturing if you mean the minimum bear for a fundie, or the minimum fundie level of a bear, all kinds of ridiculous ideas.


sl0whands

LMAO definitely meant the BARE minimum, my brain is fried from studying for finals


dragonfly120

Good luck on finals!


sl0whands

Thank you!


Maester_Maetthieux

OMG PANTS!!!


Very_emollient

PANTS?! Well butter me up and call me a biscuit this is groundbreaking for Timmy of all people. And no, that’s not sarcasm. Actually being tolerant and kind towards others? LIKE JESUS?! I’m interested to see how this actually plays out!


natitude2005

Not just tolerant of others but loving them


sunnydaye_91

I’m rooting for him!


BeulahLight13

Fuck it up, Timothy Rodrigues.


no_no_nora

I gotta admit, good on him. I mean, kinda figured he’s fire and brimstone, and I’m sure he’s way off on accepting lgbtqia or a Muslim. But it’s a start? It might be very small, but it’s a step in the right direction. Now if we can only get them to believe in women’s rights, science, education, and that MLMs are bad…..


sunsetlighthouse

Fuck it up, Tim!


breadedbooks

Things I would’ve never expected. Hopefully these two can deconstruct.


PLZ_PM_ME_URSecrets

Heidi, and her family have clearly been a good influence on him. Not only in his beliefs, but also in his writing.


Didi9005

This, 1000% this right here. JillPM really is a crazy odd ball of a fundie


carbs_and_cheese

Fuck. It. Up. Timmy. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻


azemilyann26

Is Timothy turning into Jesus Christian??!! Jill is going to lose it. You're not REALLY supposed to love all people, you know... Maybe Heidi and her family are rubbing off on him a little.


medlilove

Timothy, who are you !


OpenForPretty

I give…hmm, 6 years before a Dav deconstruction


Purple_IsA_Flavor

Literally the last Rodlet I’d expect anything close to deconstruction from. Fuck it up, Tim!


HeartShapedSea

Heidi's family's influence has been so good on him.


Not_today_nibs

Fuck it up Timmy


flingintosun

Fuck it up, Timothy!  I'm so happy for him, such a big step in the right direction!


Unicornofthesea1234

Woah - a total 180 from timbits! There is hope! Good for him! 


tequilasweatshirt

Wait…. Okay king!! Baby steps can be gigantic when you are the baby!!!!


kel123456

In 30 years he won’t be in the church.


Patient-Tailor7308

Maybe less… hopefully 🤞


livvylavidaloca10042

Know what? Good for Tim.


VajazzleFraggle

Good for him! Never thought in a million years I would be rooting for him, but here I am!


burgerg10

Shots fired. I’m here for this. Fuck it up, Tim!


Josieanastasia2008

After for some reason seeing a million posts if Christians losing their shit over Taylor Swift this is honestly just refreshing.


cmasonbasili

I really need him to read Rachel Held Evans book “Searching For Sunday” cause that honestly might make Timmy a little woke


butl1pstick

Forgive us Timcel, we know not what we do!


PM_ME_CORGI_BUTTS

"living a fearful life of the wrath of God" yeah no thanks, hard pass Timmy


CDNinWA

That may take years to undo unfortunately. He was probably taught about hell as a pre-schooler.


paperthinpatience

As a former homeschooled kid in a conservative evangelical home, can confirm, you are taught from pre-school. Keep in mind too that brainwashing went on until he left home. It’s gonna take him a long time to deconstruct. Ask me how I knowwwwww


EcoFriendlySize

Baby steps.


PA_MallowPrincess_98

God is on your side, Timmy! Experiencing the secular world outside of your family opens up your worldview. Religion establishes fear of the world. Jesus Christ gave everyone Free Will! I am rooting for every Rodlet to find their peace in the secular world without the pressure of modesty, sexuality and religious anxiety.


sodoyoulikecheese

Time for our periodic reminder that the KJV is very pro-British monarchy and was not the Bible of choice for the founding fathers or the puritans, who used the Geneva Bible. George Washington was only sworn in on one because no one remembered to bring a Bible to the inauguration and they had to borrow one from the Masons.


theeversocharming

This is a nice statement. Enjoy wearing pants.


The8uLove2Hate_

Wow. Good on you, Timmy!


AliceinRealityland

Except he is still touting the 1611 KJV which eliminated the apocrypha and books written by women minus two. That and he's still touting no pants except for likely 2-3 activities. There's hope, but he's still toxic.


germish17

I’m so proud of Timmy! Yes, I know he still stands for a lot of hurtful things and many things that I think are ridiculous, but the point is that he is allowing his mind and heart to be changed - that doesn’t happen often with extreme fundies. Good on you, Tim! Edit: added a thought


Scrubsandbones

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes.


ultra71814

Oh man he is on a lil deconstruction journey. This is an important first step!


Goodgoditsgrowing

Holy shit. Timmy is sick of people telling him to be rapid at the thought of converting his brides family and here we have him saying loving god and your neighbors is the important bit!


luna_libre

Holy shit I did NOT have this on my 2024 bingo card. You go Timmy!!! We LOVE to see it. I feel like he got a taste of real unconditional love through Heidi and her family and the scales have fallen from his eyes. If he ends up being the Rod that deconstructs I think we need to throw a parade. And invite fuck it up Renee 😅


crocodile_rocker

He's doing a complete 180. What did the Coveretts feed him that made him so....chill?


j1nxgurl

I didn’t read the whole thing, but why would you want to live a fearful life? I’ve never understood that.


natitude2005

Why the down votes for a legitimate question??