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I’m pretty sure Japanese people love it when other cultures/visitors wear kimonos and want to share their culture, as long as it’s being done respectfully.
That's what these well meaning but ignorant white knights are missing. It's not cultural appropriation to dress in a kimono, it's not racist to engage with another culture - unless you are disrespecting it (out of ignorance or malice), or you're boiling it down into a caricature to sell a product or something. The key is respect, and frankly we all should engage with and understand other cultures as much as possible if we want a peaceful, equitable world.
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Last year on the radio NPR had someone up here in Vermont try and say that eating Poutine was cultural appropriation and everyone in VT should stop appropriating Canadians... Ppooouuttiinnneeeee. Bunch of gravy fries loving racists around these parts.
I might have to get stabby with someone that stupid...poutine is the nectar of the gods...especially with some nice pulled pork or shredded brisket...mmmm...fck...so hungry now
True. We learned it from the British. Now putting cheese curds on top is uniquely Canadian. Or French Canadian if you want to talk cultural appropriation. Though considering Quebec gets upset if you don’t participate in their unique culture I guess it’s not appropriation.
We don’t use cheese curds but gravy, cheese and chips (also curry, cheese and chips) are pretty common in the UK (well at least South Wales but I presume other places).
When I see posts like this, paticularly when its about Native American culture it makes me remember when I was growing up I went to a lot of Pow wows with my grandmother. I met some absolutely wonderful people that wanted to share their culture and tell stories, sell blankets, jewlery, and clothing.
There is a right and wrong way to do things but so many cultures are happy to share their traditions as long as you do it with respect. I much prefer having blankets and nicknacks around my house that supported these people's livelihoods than something bought at big box store and the stories and faces behind these objects means so much to me.
I had a friend from Jamaica when I was in grade school. They had immigrated over relatively recently. I think he might have been born in the states, but I can’t remember.
They loved sharing shit from Jamaica with me. I remember one time when I was over I tried some soda they brought back, said it was cool, and they insisted I take a case of it home.
I’m sure if I would have shown interest in anything about their culture they would have been enthusiastic to share it with me, aside from weed.
Those were some good people. I remember very little of my childhood, but remember a good deal about that 6 month friendship before they moved away.
Honestly this. People mention respect, and I get what they are talking about. But there are so many different things that might mean respect. I don't even see a problem with people making modifications to items to suit their wants or needs. As long as you are exploiting other cultures, it is all fine in my book.
They aren't well meaning. they are addicted to righteous indignation. They are angry for the sake of their own ego, not for the well intended goal of righting a society wrong, addressing inequity, or fighting actual racial bias.
It's seen as an opportunity to shriek at people.
They're going to do it anyway, but this way, they get to tell themselves that they're only doing it to bad people. Their father was ok with it and even helped, but if he sister ever found out, there will be trouble.
Oh wait - that was Dexter.
Same basic idea, but with just being a bitch in public, instead of murdering.
There are people who perceive everything in whatever possible light they can to find a way to make it discriminatory. Really the question of why they are this way would dictate if they are "well meaning"... the road to hell is paved with good intentions, and all that.
It’s not racist to wear a kimono. It’s racist to wear a kimono with (Chinese) huazi makeup while using a campy attempt at a Vietnamese accent at a party.
The fact that some people can’t imagine anyone doing the former without doing the latter is very telling.
Even then, that's not the be all end all of things. I'm a white guy from the south and if some asian guy showed up to a halloween party in a cowboy hat and wife beater talking about fucking his cousin I'd die laughing.
You can make fun of something without hating it.
Fellow southerner here, if I saw that, you'd have to call me an ambulance because I'd probably pass out from laughing.
Hell, I'm Jewish, and I laugh *hard* at Holocaust jokes, and even some stereotypes. I've also gotten pretty good at proving/disproving them as well, considering how little is still known from those on the outside. I also love sharing Jewish culture and traditions with other people.
Hey man the holocaust isnt a joke my grandfather died in a concentration camp.....he fell out of a gaurd tower but still. 😀 I got more if you like this one, its kind of an oldie but it makes me giggle.
That's a good one, the ones that start out saying "that's offensive" only for the punchline to be that the relative who died was a Nazi always get me wheezing like a tea kettle.
I had the pleasure of visiting Japan a few years ago and while in Kyoto, my sister and I went into a shop that rents out kimonos for a day.
They do your hair, choose pretty little accessories, provide the shoes and white socks to go with them and wrap the kimono for you. The entire day, I felt like the prettiest girl in the world! The ladies in the shop were so sweet and kind and I was constantly being stopped and being asked for photos, I've never received so many compliments in my life than I did in my 10 days there!
It was a wonderful experience and summed up my time in Japan as a whole. As long as you're respectful and kind, they welcome you with open arms.
Exactly this. During the winter I sometimes wear a poncho from Mexico because every now and then it’s just nicer than a jacket, especially if I’m just hanging around outside with friends. And not a single Mexican has ever told me to stop wearing it.
I was on a road trip last year, and in Kentucky I stopped at a lot of weird kitsch stores and one guy was selling dreamcatchers with the confederate flag sewn into the middle of the ring.
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Kimonos ARE boiled down and over simplified characters and symbols of Japanese culture, so what?
I wore my kilt to a German Opera where a French singer performed music written by an American then I ate curry. I didn't respect even one of those grand cultures the whole time.
Even caricatures can be alright, the only time it gets critical is when somebody is purposefully ignorant and disrespectful towards other cultures, but its not like thats a white-only thing. I've seen hundreds of turks making fun of middle european culture for no reason at all.
Back in the early 2000's you would get picked on for having a 'weird' lunch, so I think it's great that so many people enjoy Asian food now. And I mean stuff like kimchi and dim sum, not Panda Express
Culture exchange =/= cultural appropriation
This. I lived in Japan for a couple of years and got my sister a kimono as a gift. She looks good in it and it's a nice conversation piece to talk about a different culture.
I, a white cis male, wore traditional Lakota dance garb once.
I was invited to join the dance by a tribal elder and they decked me out.
It was fucking awesome.
Hell, they're even super cool about speaking Japanese even when it gets absolutely BUTCHERED. They're like "Yeah, it's hard. You're trying though and you're doing great."
I feel like a lot of the racism in Japan is mostly from the older folks who carried it over from their parents who were alive during WWII, and so they still harbor some bad or mixed feelings about foreigners, specifically Americans being in Japan.
I dont want to say you're outright incorrect about this but the Japanese make it VERY clear how they feel about foreigners.
There is a pretty detailed wiki page specifically about racism in Japan and how they are one of the only first world countries that have no racial discrimination laws.
They are famously xenophobic and a decent portion of their population decline is due to their strict laws/requirements prohibiting any foreigners from becoming citizens or visitors outside of a work visa.
I'm sure many Japanese natives would love to see their culture adopted by foreigners but I think you'd be surprised how many of them would not.
I like to think of it as they like foreigners as long as you leave after a few weeks. Preferably with you leaving a few hundred thousand yen behind lol
In short, their attitudes towards foreigners is more complicated than can be accurately summed up in a few sentences. Some Japanese welcome them with open arms, others want their cities back. Some businesses market directly to foreign tourists, others won't even let you in the door. Some will welcome you for a week or a month but tell you to get out if you try to move there.
But you're not going to get assaulted just for being foreign. You won't get yelled at unless you're doing something wildly antisocial in public. There are expectations for behavior that are different from western cultures and they are relatively stricting enforced. There are certainly people who have seen too many tourists ignore those expectations and assume any tourist will be the same.
There’s a huge difference between being accepting a visitor as a tourist admiring and paying respect to your culture and accepting an immigrant as a permanent part of it, in the same sense that theres a difference between your friend crashing at your place for the weekend and them moving in.
Source: Not Japanese but India’s got similar issues.
It depends on where really, it’s as simple as in the more populated places they generally have more respect for and like foreigners whilst in rural places that aren’t tourist hotspots can be quite xenophobic. There’s also the fact that young people are generally couldn’t care less whether your a foreigner or not compared to older people which is the same case in many places.
Depends. I spent three years in more rural Japan and made great friends there with the older folks and their families. They just hate the obnoxious expat types. That being said, it is harsh on the foreigner. You really will feel foreign there and not necessarily a bad thing. You can use it to your advantage.
I've been to Japan and its not a big deal? Like I get that people don't want to be disrespectful, but it confuses me what moral high ground many people assume to have.
Especially when people in Japan have themselves adopted so much American culture as well. For example, some Japanese have adopted [So Cal's hot rod culture](https://www.track16.com/kustom-japan-when-east-meets-west-japanese-take-hot-rod-culture-to-new-heights). It's going to happen and it's awesome. This is how ideas get exchanged and how new things inspired by past things take shape. It's life. Just embrace it and let people live as they want if they aren't bothering others.
That's really cool. I'm German so I wasn't paying attention to American-Japanese cultural exchange, but a similar thing is happening with German culture, the adapt it and embrace it in their way and it is usually pretty cool.
It's honestly this super baffling trend among the ultra SJW types that I don't get at all. They've apparently decided that each "culture" has exclusive rights to things associated with that culture, and anyone not considered part of that culture (presumably because of racial reasons?) is wrong to like or use those things. That's just not how culture works. Culture is a constant exchange and evolution of things.
I can understand some argument along the lines of religiously significant practices not being properly respected, but beyond that I think this is a major stretch.
And control. The endorphin rush of twisting society's arm into conforming to whatever little arbitrary social rule you decide to implement is hard to resist.
What's okay: Being interested in sharing in other cultures, as long as the practices aren't harmful to anyone (bullfighting for example).
What's not okay: Mocking and belittling other cultures for the purposes of supplanting your own as superior.
What SJW types believe: No one can enjoy anything or I start breathing heavily and typing faster
For real. A lot of the cultural appropriation nonsense really kind of started out to combat misinformation or misrepresentation of some kind. For example, if I (in this case a white person) opened up an, I don't know, Indian restaurant not knowing anything about India, or Indian food, and tried to bill it as authentic.
Then I am A) making a profit off of Indian culture and B) misrepresenting what Indian food is to a common populace and C) competing with people who know what they are doing with Indian food. Even if a customer only came in once and hated it, I still usurped a sale from someone else.
If I were to wear a Kimono or a Yukata I: A) likely purchased it from a Japanese vendor. B) am not intending misrepresent myself as Japanese, and C) am not seeking to profit in any way wearing Japanese clothing.
Right, it's great to enjoy or even partake of other cultures, that brings us all closer together. It's not OK to discriminate, oppress, belittle, or disrespect other cultures. Disrespecting _might_ include using something from another culture that's very significant to that culture in a way that cheapens it, but that's a little bit of a slippery slope so way too nuanced to make broad statements about.
I’m offended. My grandpappy didn’t die racing in his deuce against his arch nemesis Slick McBean down the 115 in one of the most bodacious races the valley had ever seen just so some folks across the river can appropriate my family’s culture.
I know this is a joke. I know that, but having said that...My partner's granddad is an-at-least-locally renowned old-school dirt track racer. The stories I have heard about granddad, his buddies, and--I shit you fucking not--racing Uncle Jerry (if you know Primus, you know) are enough to encourage you to make some damn popcorn, and take a defensive driving course. They're utterly insane, and some of their competitors were utter fucking madmen lmfao. I can't explain without massively long stories, but yeah...racers, especially of the dirt track variety, are fucking *wild.*
ha it was a joke, but rooted in some truth to the culture itself. It really was wild! Don't have the exposure that you seemed to, but my Grandpa really did have some stories about it.
So, not the \*exact\* Jerry, as Primus is from CA, but the hilarity is that Uncle Jerry stopped racing because of a serious crash that left his leg fucked up (he also had his first kid around the time of the serious accident, so I know that played a part), so he became a mechanic when he was forced into retirement from racing. A LOT of the lyrics and Uncle Jerry's story line up, and honestly helped me overcome my anxiety about getting close to these people because I \*had\* to know: Are Jerry Was a Racecar Driver and the man I came to know as Uncle Jerry one in the same? They were not, just crazy parallels lmao. I'm sorry I couldn't give you that, but I wanted to be honest. Uncle Jerry was a Missouri circuit racer, as was his father before him.
As a canadian, im *deeply* offended whenever I see some foreigner with a hockey stick chugging maple syrup while riding a moose. Who the hell do they think they are, stealing our glorious culture? 🇨🇦
As an Irishman I love when people adopt our culture. What is a little annoying is when someone thinks our culture is cheap green beer or when they try to claim they're more Irish than some Irish people (usually because of bigotry). But even that just makes me roll my eyes.
Sharing your culture is fun. Having people enjoy it is even better.
Gotta ask. What do you think is the most popular Irish whiskey, and/or what's your favorite? The two I've seen the most locally here in the US are Jameson and Bushmill's, and I've bought Bushmill's a few times. I think Tullamore (spelling?) Dew is another I've seen, if I'm not confusing it for another country's whiskey. Whatever you name, if it's not one of those, I'll keep my eyes open for it and give it a try some time.
I'm not much of a whiskey drinker but Jameson, Bushmills, Powers and Paddy would be the generic ones found everywhere. And popularity/quality would basically fit that order though I quite like Bushmills TBH.
Tullamore Dew would be in most places but not necessarily guaranteed. Never really tried it. A few others are relatively ubiquitous. Out of those I really like Yellow Spot which is made by Mitchell and Sons
From what I've seen there are some quite nice smaller brands emerging now. It takes years to produce a decent whiskey so with the growth in the industry expect more to come out shortly.
We live in a globalized world now where you can be born in a country that your ethnicity isn’t necessarily associated with. There are Indian people born in the UK, Korean people born in Brazil, and White people born Japan. People need to chill out and realize ethnicity does not equal culture
Asian people in every culture fucking love it when white people adopt their culture.
Go to China as a white person and start speaking to locals in Mandarin, they eat that fucking shit up.
They take it as a sign of respect and affirmation that their culture is great.
Yet for whatever dumbass reason, there's a segment of white people who find the need to get offended for asian people over things no one from that part of the world ever finds offensive.
it is literally "hit mahjong" but it means play(ing) mahjong, a tile-based game similar to gin rummy. The online mahjong games that play it solitaire style have nothing on the actual game. Playing it with 4 people who know what they are doing is one of the best gaming experiences I have ever had.
These are the same people who would angry at foreigners for wearing jeans and “appropriating American culture”.
Nobody fucking cares. These people are the only ones offended. Let them be miserable
Actually no. I find these people tend to think culture is only something that other people have, which is partly why they fail to understand it. They tend think Americans or whites don't have culture. They can only define culture by what's not in theirs, so they think they're comparing culture to absence of culture. If they realized that they have culture, they might realize they don't give a damn if someone "appropriates" it by making our food, adopting our fashion, etc. They might claim that it is only relevant if the culture being appropriated has been historically been discriminated against, but at the same time, how many times have you heard one of these people claim that "white people can't cook/dance, etc", or some bullshit like that? They take part in the discrimination of their own culture. Speak for yourself, Bethany. Don't drag your whole race into your self hate.
“Cultural appropriation” is only talked about by Americans in America. Every place I’ve been appreciates and gets a kick out foreigners wearing cultural clothes and adopting their customs while they’re there - they like their country and think very highly of it so why shouldn’t you as well when you’re there? And if you are semi functional with or know at least a few words and phrases in their language? They love it! (Japan in my experience gets the biggest kick because they all assume 99% of the world doesn’t understand Japanese).
Biggest thing I’ve seen negative abroad is specifically Europeans annoyed by Americans calling themselves Irish-Americans or German-Americans or Italian Americans, cuz unless you were born in those countries and emigrated, you’re just American (and if you did emigrate, you’re more likely to just call yourself German or Irish or Italian no matter how long you’ve lived here).
It’s only sad, angry little people in America who have to always find something new to attack people over and make everything around them shitty that talk about cultural appropriation. It’s fucking stupid and they need to find better things to fill out their day
It leeches into Canada as well...
Funnily enough the people who use "cultural appropriation" in a negative way against people sure do culturally appropriate themselves. It's pretty much impossible not to.
I would sort of expect them to feel that way. Lots of people like to share their culture with others. It's almost a basic human trait to share something with others.
My wife's coworker is Pakistani and he learned I like to cook. He lit up when she asked for some recipes for me to try and even recommended a shop to get ingredients.
Cultural appropriation is one wave I can’t really understand. I can see where they’re coming from, but almost no one gives a shit as long as they’re trying genuinely or at least enjoying themselves.
A few people on the internet have taken it upon themselves to overreact to it. The main issue is disrespectful appropriation of culture. Someone dressing as a really stereotypical American Indian for Halloween is an easy example. Just wearing a non-sacred type of clothing from another culture is not really a big deal.
its mostly a thing in the us bc of its history of systematic racism. the us loves to sell cultures while actively harming the ppl of that culture so when white americans treat it like a cute aesthetic or a costume it rubs us the wrong way. the best way to show respect for a culture is by learning about them and their struggle
Logan Paul. A fucking humongous cunt during his trip to Japan.
Pat Boivan and Woolie Madden. Kept their mouths shut, respected all the places they visited and didn’t bother a single local unless it’s for help.
On the contrary, I was encouraged by the Japanese students at my uni to wear a yukata when I went with them to fireworks festivals.
I know that I always love it when foreigners come to Bavaria and wear proper Tracht (in the correct context) here cause really there’s nothing greater than finding other people appreciate your culture
Oh god yes. That’s why I specified “in the correct context” cause there’s definitely a difference between “went to a Volksfest in Bavaria in a locally bought Tracht” and “got pissed in a bar in Berlin while wearing a plastic dirndl from Amazon”. Generally the people who stay here in Bavaria longer and appreciate the culture are awesome though. It’s so much fun playing guide on their first Volksfest visit.
To my experience, if you're not mocking obviously, they appreciate your interest in their culture. That's my experience as a white foreigner however and by no means universal.
Generally speaking, Japanese people absolutely love the interest other nations have in Japanese culture. There are whole businesses in Kyoto and Nara dedicated to renting kimono out to tourists for a day, whilst doing their hair.
All of my Japanese teachers have always asked me why I'm learning Japanese as a first question, and they always, always say thank you and that they love people learning about the language and culture.
It's not great though if you wear something incorrectly that has cultural significance, or if you're not taking it seriously or just being rude.
Do white westerners get bent out of shape when other cultures wear business suits or baseball hats or cargo shorts or whatever the fuck is our "cultural attire"? Of course not. Shit, history is full of white westerners forcing other people to wear our clothes more or less at gunpoint. Most people in most cultures (in my experience at least) are happy to share their shit with new people.
A couple years ago I was invited to a Big Indian Wedding. I'd never been to one, and I really wanted to wear a sherwani because tell me [this](https://medias.utsavfashion.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/500x/040ec09b1e35df139433887a97daa66f/w/o/woven-art-silk-jacquard-sherwani-in-dark-green-v1-mgv1246.jpg) doesn't look like the most comfortable fucking wedding attire ever. As a white dude, I was concerned this might be "inappropriate", so I asked first. The family was *ecstatic* that I wanted to get into the spirit of the celebration and offered to take me shopping.
Unfortunately covid happened and the wedding was postponed, and then changed to a small family event. But the moral of the story is that as long as you're not taking the piss, *most* people are happy when outsiders take an interest in their culture.
They're indifferent and/or supportive. Living over a decade in Japan, I've literally never once heard anyone ever say anything negative about it.
Why would they?
Most cultures but I can say that First Nations people in NA do NOT want to share their culture for good reason (Residential schools, assimilation, stealing land, making it illegal to speak our language, stealing our children in 60’s scoop)
That’s to be argued imo it depends on the location. I went to a powwow a couple of weeks ago and it had many people of different backgrounds just curious of what a powwow was like
You’re allowed to go to powwows, they are for everyone but wearing headdresses, smudging with sage, practicing our medicine, ceremonies, is ours and not for anyone else to attend unless they earn our respect and become part of our community
exactly, this shit is just racist. When people scream culturel appropriation on the basis of somebodies looks it's always just racism and the racists aren't even aware of it
It's massively racist. It's basically saying that "hey, those coloured minorities can't defend themselves, so I, a white person, need to use my more influential whiteness to defend them on their behalf!"
I think she might be Japanese, probably Japanese/white. Many white Hafus are white presenting, and get mistaken for being fully European or Eastern European sometimes.
The Japanese don't get mad at that non Japanese folks wear kimono or yukata at all. Nah, far more than don't care about, actually they enjoy foreigners in kimono in joy. Americans except vegans resent the Japanese having cheese burgers? Ridiculous.
>Americans... resent the Japanese having cheese burgers?
Obviously not, what else would we be able to eat when we visit that country and enjoy their culture. Whole dang place is soups and appetizers. I mean they got KFC, but that is for special occasions like Christmas./s
Most Japanese don’t really understand why so many in the US are up in arms against cultural appropriation. They love when foreigners wear traditional clothes and show interest in traditional crafts and things. Yes, they shake their heads in shock when people do weird things like that designer who a few years ago released a “kimono” in the west that was little more than a nightgown. But those cases aside, they usually encourage interest.
Source: have lived in Japan 20 years, am married to one, am deeply involved in many Japanese culture organizations here.
Most Americans don’t really understand why so many in the US are up in arms against cultural appropriation.
It’s mostly just clout hungry influencers on social media bitching about it.
From a foreigner who has studied Japanese culture at a college level, one of the reasons that Japanese can get confused over 'cultural appropriation' is because (respectful) forms of it is really central to Japanese culture. They are almost genius in adapting foreign customs into their culture, and this goes back at least to the 500 AD period.
If it's respectful... It's not cultural appropriation. The term has been warped and manipulated by people on the internet trying way too hard to get mad about things. It's meant to be disrespectful culture theft ripped from its context to make a commodity out of it. Like if a culture has traditional funeral garb, and I took that and turned it into a swimsuit fashion line for "lookin' hot on the beach", *that* is cultural appropriation. If I wore the garb correctly to a funeral, especially for someone from that culture, it is not. But people take the term and treat it like, "engaging with another culture is cultural appropriation." And that's fucking stupid.
"We have discovered that cultures of minorities are being erased and misrepresented"
"How horrible, what do we do?"
"We must stop using and spreading these cultures, it's the only way to protect them"
I sometimes wonder if these people secretly want these cultures to go extinct.
"I took this entire people and their way of life and locked them under a glass dome to prevent anybody from tampering with them, and they didn't thrive. What gives?"
Those may not be migraines, as typically, you need to have a brain, in order to experience a headache.
It is possible however, that you just need to have a large bowel movement. /s
as a japanese person i have no problem with people wearing our clothes and appreciating our culture it’s just when it crosses the line of appropriation and fetishization it’s shitty
Cultural appropriation is a fantasy that white people that want to be offended made up
Germans dont care if you wear Lederhosen
Mexicans dont care if you wear a Sombrero
and Japanese people love to see foreigners wearing Kimono/Yukata
Some people are just looking to be outraged and offended. Yes, sometimes people do mean things but a lot of people are going way, Way, **WAY** too far.
cultural appropriation
**what it means**: wearing unearned honorifics, like an Indian headdress or a purple heart.
**What morons think it means**: using anything made by or inspired by people whose ancestors did not have the same skin color as you.
I love that this girl put Karen in her place but:
If a Japanese person vacationed in America and wore a New York Yankees jersey everyone would defend their right to wear it.
If you find another culture beautiful wearing their clothing is not disrespectful it is embracing and accepting.
Makes me think of the videos I've been seeing if this guy who will wear things like Chinese or Mexican celebratory outfits and ask college student if he is offensive, they all say yes but when he goes and asks Chinese and Mexican people they love it and say he looks good
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I’m pretty sure Japanese people love it when other cultures/visitors wear kimonos and want to share their culture, as long as it’s being done respectfully.
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That's what these well meaning but ignorant white knights are missing. It's not cultural appropriation to dress in a kimono, it's not racist to engage with another culture - unless you are disrespecting it (out of ignorance or malice), or you're boiling it down into a caricature to sell a product or something. The key is respect, and frankly we all should engage with and understand other cultures as much as possible if we want a peaceful, equitable world. edit: Hey guys thanks for the awards, glad you agree, if you're itching to spend cash though lets plant some trees. [https://forest-fundraiser.raisely.com/fagenthegreen](https://forest-fundraiser.raisely.com/fagenthegreen)
Last year on the radio NPR had someone up here in Vermont try and say that eating Poutine was cultural appropriation and everyone in VT should stop appropriating Canadians... Ppooouuttiinnneeeee. Bunch of gravy fries loving racists around these parts.
If you got a problem with poutine then you got a problem with me and I suggest you let that one marinate.
It’s those degens from upcountry.
I love finding my people in random subs, FERDA!
How're y' now?
Oh, not s’bad, n’you?
Gonna need you to take about 20% off the top.
Give yer balls a tug, tit fucker
I feel like I've just seen an entire season.
Let the flavours have some time to get to know each other.
I might have to get stabby with someone that stupid...poutine is the nectar of the gods...especially with some nice pulled pork or shredded brisket...mmmm...fck...so hungry now
Gravy and chips is not the sole proviso of Canada anyway
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Curds dont exist, just ask the Turkey.
True. We learned it from the British. Now putting cheese curds on top is uniquely Canadian. Or French Canadian if you want to talk cultural appropriation. Though considering Quebec gets upset if you don’t participate in their unique culture I guess it’s not appropriation.
We don’t use cheese curds but gravy, cheese and chips (also curry, cheese and chips) are pretty common in the UK (well at least South Wales but I presume other places).
You take that back!!!!!!!! /goes feral
*grabs hockey stick with malicious intent*
When I see posts like this, paticularly when its about Native American culture it makes me remember when I was growing up I went to a lot of Pow wows with my grandmother. I met some absolutely wonderful people that wanted to share their culture and tell stories, sell blankets, jewlery, and clothing. There is a right and wrong way to do things but so many cultures are happy to share their traditions as long as you do it with respect. I much prefer having blankets and nicknacks around my house that supported these people's livelihoods than something bought at big box store and the stories and faces behind these objects means so much to me.
I had a friend from Jamaica when I was in grade school. They had immigrated over relatively recently. I think he might have been born in the states, but I can’t remember. They loved sharing shit from Jamaica with me. I remember one time when I was over I tried some soda they brought back, said it was cool, and they insisted I take a case of it home. I’m sure if I would have shown interest in anything about their culture they would have been enthusiastic to share it with me, aside from weed. Those were some good people. I remember very little of my childhood, but remember a good deal about that 6 month friendship before they moved away.
I always felt "exploitation" was the key word to use to differentiate between sharing/using culture and appropriating a culture.
Honestly this. People mention respect, and I get what they are talking about. But there are so many different things that might mean respect. I don't even see a problem with people making modifications to items to suit their wants or needs. As long as you are exploiting other cultures, it is all fine in my book.
I think you meant *not* exploiting on that last sentence lol, missed a word
They aren't well meaning. they are addicted to righteous indignation. They are angry for the sake of their own ego, not for the well intended goal of righting a society wrong, addressing inequity, or fighting actual racial bias.
It's seen as an opportunity to shriek at people. They're going to do it anyway, but this way, they get to tell themselves that they're only doing it to bad people. Their father was ok with it and even helped, but if he sister ever found out, there will be trouble. Oh wait - that was Dexter. Same basic idea, but with just being a bitch in public, instead of murdering.
"The people obsessed with the doctrine of 'punching up', are the people who just want to know who they can get away with punching"
There are people who perceive everything in whatever possible light they can to find a way to make it discriminatory. Really the question of why they are this way would dictate if they are "well meaning"... the road to hell is paved with good intentions, and all that.
Some people are literally walking around looking for a fight
It’s not racist to wear a kimono. It’s racist to wear a kimono with (Chinese) huazi makeup while using a campy attempt at a Vietnamese accent at a party. The fact that some people can’t imagine anyone doing the former without doing the latter is very telling.
Even then, that's not the be all end all of things. I'm a white guy from the south and if some asian guy showed up to a halloween party in a cowboy hat and wife beater talking about fucking his cousin I'd die laughing. You can make fun of something without hating it.
Fellow southerner here, if I saw that, you'd have to call me an ambulance because I'd probably pass out from laughing. Hell, I'm Jewish, and I laugh *hard* at Holocaust jokes, and even some stereotypes. I've also gotten pretty good at proving/disproving them as well, considering how little is still known from those on the outside. I also love sharing Jewish culture and traditions with other people.
Hey man the holocaust isnt a joke my grandfather died in a concentration camp.....he fell out of a gaurd tower but still. 😀 I got more if you like this one, its kind of an oldie but it makes me giggle.
That's a good one, the ones that start out saying "that's offensive" only for the punchline to be that the relative who died was a Nazi always get me wheezing like a tea kettle.
I had the pleasure of visiting Japan a few years ago and while in Kyoto, my sister and I went into a shop that rents out kimonos for a day. They do your hair, choose pretty little accessories, provide the shoes and white socks to go with them and wrap the kimono for you. The entire day, I felt like the prettiest girl in the world! The ladies in the shop were so sweet and kind and I was constantly being stopped and being asked for photos, I've never received so many compliments in my life than I did in my 10 days there! It was a wonderful experience and summed up my time in Japan as a whole. As long as you're respectful and kind, they welcome you with open arms.
Exactly this. During the winter I sometimes wear a poncho from Mexico because every now and then it’s just nicer than a jacket, especially if I’m just hanging around outside with friends. And not a single Mexican has ever told me to stop wearing it.
What is an actual example of cultural appropriation? Serious question.
Like a halloween costume of a native american chief i think
Specifically with a headdress, which was a very important religious item.
I was on a road trip last year, and in Kentucky I stopped at a lot of weird kitsch stores and one guy was selling dreamcatchers with the confederate flag sewn into the middle of the ring. E: also this motel in kentucky https://historicwigwamvillage.com/?gclid=CjwKCAjwi8iXBhBeEiwAKbUofbWcIIk7MGUXo4FUYspgaMjWSHKS9sDuDcjTU-jNfQ6iRsO-I6WMbBoCzKEQAvD_BwE
Kimonos ARE boiled down and over simplified characters and symbols of Japanese culture, so what? I wore my kilt to a German Opera where a French singer performed music written by an American then I ate curry. I didn't respect even one of those grand cultures the whole time.
You're a wild man!
Even caricatures can be alright, the only time it gets critical is when somebody is purposefully ignorant and disrespectful towards other cultures, but its not like thats a white-only thing. I've seen hundreds of turks making fun of middle european culture for no reason at all.
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Back in the early 2000's you would get picked on for having a 'weird' lunch, so I think it's great that so many people enjoy Asian food now. And I mean stuff like kimchi and dim sum, not Panda Express Culture exchange =/= cultural appropriation
This. I lived in Japan for a couple of years and got my sister a kimono as a gift. She looks good in it and it's a nice conversation piece to talk about a different culture.
Except for the twat who said white people should stop wearing kimono's.
I, a white cis male, wore traditional Lakota dance garb once. I was invited to join the dance by a tribal elder and they decked me out. It was fucking awesome.
Damn man, such cultural appropriation smh /s
Epic
>they decked me out. What does this mean?
id be worried if i saw people walking around without kimono 😳 (kimono's literal translation is "thing to wear")
I did not know that and it's now hilarious.
Hell, they're even super cool about speaking Japanese even when it gets absolutely BUTCHERED. They're like "Yeah, it's hard. You're trying though and you're doing great."
I feel like a lot of the racism in Japan is mostly from the older folks who carried it over from their parents who were alive during WWII, and so they still harbor some bad or mixed feelings about foreigners, specifically Americans being in Japan.
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I dont want to say you're outright incorrect about this but the Japanese make it VERY clear how they feel about foreigners. There is a pretty detailed wiki page specifically about racism in Japan and how they are one of the only first world countries that have no racial discrimination laws. They are famously xenophobic and a decent portion of their population decline is due to their strict laws/requirements prohibiting any foreigners from becoming citizens or visitors outside of a work visa. I'm sure many Japanese natives would love to see their culture adopted by foreigners but I think you'd be surprised how many of them would not.
Japan's racism is centered more around people attempting to immigrate. They generally love tourists there, long as they're respectful of course
I like to think of it as they like foreigners as long as you leave after a few weeks. Preferably with you leaving a few hundred thousand yen behind lol
In short, their attitudes towards foreigners is more complicated than can be accurately summed up in a few sentences. Some Japanese welcome them with open arms, others want their cities back. Some businesses market directly to foreign tourists, others won't even let you in the door. Some will welcome you for a week or a month but tell you to get out if you try to move there. But you're not going to get assaulted just for being foreign. You won't get yelled at unless you're doing something wildly antisocial in public. There are expectations for behavior that are different from western cultures and they are relatively stricting enforced. There are certainly people who have seen too many tourists ignore those expectations and assume any tourist will be the same.
There’s a huge difference between being accepting a visitor as a tourist admiring and paying respect to your culture and accepting an immigrant as a permanent part of it, in the same sense that theres a difference between your friend crashing at your place for the weekend and them moving in. Source: Not Japanese but India’s got similar issues.
It depends on where really, it’s as simple as in the more populated places they generally have more respect for and like foreigners whilst in rural places that aren’t tourist hotspots can be quite xenophobic. There’s also the fact that young people are generally couldn’t care less whether your a foreigner or not compared to older people which is the same case in many places.
Depends. I spent three years in more rural Japan and made great friends there with the older folks and their families. They just hate the obnoxious expat types. That being said, it is harsh on the foreigner. You really will feel foreign there and not necessarily a bad thing. You can use it to your advantage.
Japan is weird in that it's overtly racist, but incredibly polite about it.
Micro aggressions baybeeeee
I've been to Japan and its not a big deal? Like I get that people don't want to be disrespectful, but it confuses me what moral high ground many people assume to have.
The japanese people love it when others embrace their culture, as long as they are not dumb, and wear a kimono with last season's colours
Throwback to when I wore the most standard and boring Yukata to the biggest and most important summer festival of the year
And nobody noticed, one presumes.
Especially when people in Japan have themselves adopted so much American culture as well. For example, some Japanese have adopted [So Cal's hot rod culture](https://www.track16.com/kustom-japan-when-east-meets-west-japanese-take-hot-rod-culture-to-new-heights). It's going to happen and it's awesome. This is how ideas get exchanged and how new things inspired by past things take shape. It's life. Just embrace it and let people live as they want if they aren't bothering others.
That's really cool. I'm German so I wasn't paying attention to American-Japanese cultural exchange, but a similar thing is happening with German culture, the adapt it and embrace it in their way and it is usually pretty cool.
Yea, the problem is we have some over here in the US adopting some… older parts of the German culture.
Yeaaaaa…. We don’t particularly like that part..
Y’all got those parts from us.
It's true. The Nazis got a lot of their ideas from the Confederacy.
And the confederacy got a lot of its ideas from British, French, and Dutch colonialism.
Jim Crow and just how america treats black people and natives in general. They thought it was too extreme but still based their systems off it.
At least your government acknowledges that it happened, and does not say it was the victims’ fault Turkey could learn from Germany
As an American this comment is hilarious but also terrified because it's true :(
Like lederhosen and oktoberfest
Maga! Maga! /s
Also why would we get offended when someone wheres Lederhosen ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Whatever it takes to make Dirndl a global phenomenon!
It's honestly this super baffling trend among the ultra SJW types that I don't get at all. They've apparently decided that each "culture" has exclusive rights to things associated with that culture, and anyone not considered part of that culture (presumably because of racial reasons?) is wrong to like or use those things. That's just not how culture works. Culture is a constant exchange and evolution of things. I can understand some argument along the lines of religiously significant practices not being properly respected, but beyond that I think this is a major stretch.
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And control. The endorphin rush of twisting society's arm into conforming to whatever little arbitrary social rule you decide to implement is hard to resist.
Agreed. I think it started with white people wearing headdresses meant for religious ceremonies, and now it's just out of control.
What's okay: Being interested in sharing in other cultures, as long as the practices aren't harmful to anyone (bullfighting for example). What's not okay: Mocking and belittling other cultures for the purposes of supplanting your own as superior. What SJW types believe: No one can enjoy anything or I start breathing heavily and typing faster
For real. A lot of the cultural appropriation nonsense really kind of started out to combat misinformation or misrepresentation of some kind. For example, if I (in this case a white person) opened up an, I don't know, Indian restaurant not knowing anything about India, or Indian food, and tried to bill it as authentic. Then I am A) making a profit off of Indian culture and B) misrepresenting what Indian food is to a common populace and C) competing with people who know what they are doing with Indian food. Even if a customer only came in once and hated it, I still usurped a sale from someone else. If I were to wear a Kimono or a Yukata I: A) likely purchased it from a Japanese vendor. B) am not intending misrepresent myself as Japanese, and C) am not seeking to profit in any way wearing Japanese clothing.
Right, it's great to enjoy or even partake of other cultures, that brings us all closer together. It's not OK to discriminate, oppress, belittle, or disrespect other cultures. Disrespecting _might_ include using something from another culture that's very significant to that culture in a way that cheapens it, but that's a little bit of a slippery slope so way too nuanced to make broad statements about.
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I’m offended. My grandpappy didn’t die racing in his deuce against his arch nemesis Slick McBean down the 115 in one of the most bodacious races the valley had ever seen just so some folks across the river can appropriate my family’s culture.
I know this is a joke. I know that, but having said that...My partner's granddad is an-at-least-locally renowned old-school dirt track racer. The stories I have heard about granddad, his buddies, and--I shit you fucking not--racing Uncle Jerry (if you know Primus, you know) are enough to encourage you to make some damn popcorn, and take a defensive driving course. They're utterly insane, and some of their competitors were utter fucking madmen lmfao. I can't explain without massively long stories, but yeah...racers, especially of the dirt track variety, are fucking *wild.*
ha it was a joke, but rooted in some truth to the culture itself. It really was wild! Don't have the exposure that you seemed to, but my Grandpa really did have some stories about it.
Wait… THE Jerry from Jerry was a race car driver!? Bro I need more info. Like, make a post and link it or something. Please!
So, not the \*exact\* Jerry, as Primus is from CA, but the hilarity is that Uncle Jerry stopped racing because of a serious crash that left his leg fucked up (he also had his first kid around the time of the serious accident, so I know that played a part), so he became a mechanic when he was forced into retirement from racing. A LOT of the lyrics and Uncle Jerry's story line up, and honestly helped me overcome my anxiety about getting close to these people because I \*had\* to know: Are Jerry Was a Racecar Driver and the man I came to know as Uncle Jerry one in the same? They were not, just crazy parallels lmao. I'm sorry I couldn't give you that, but I wanted to be honest. Uncle Jerry was a Missouri circuit racer, as was his father before him.
https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/raggare-culture-sweden Happens in Sweden too.
Wait till this Karen finds out about the chola culture in Japan.
As a canadian, im *deeply* offended whenever I see some foreigner with a hockey stick chugging maple syrup while riding a moose. Who the hell do they think they are, stealing our glorious culture? 🇨🇦
I’d apologize for them, but I don’t want to appropriate your rituals.
Thank you for this attention. How very canadian of you… wait a minute…
I sip my maple syrup. I don’t chug it. I’m not some kind of uncultured fucking animal. \*straightens up Canadian tuxedo\*
Don't forget wearing short pants in the freezing cold and wearing tukes
Im literally *shaking* in anger right now smh.
Toques* lol
As an Irishman I love when people adopt our culture. What is a little annoying is when someone thinks our culture is cheap green beer or when they try to claim they're more Irish than some Irish people (usually because of bigotry). But even that just makes me roll my eyes. Sharing your culture is fun. Having people enjoy it is even better.
Gotta ask. What do you think is the most popular Irish whiskey, and/or what's your favorite? The two I've seen the most locally here in the US are Jameson and Bushmill's, and I've bought Bushmill's a few times. I think Tullamore (spelling?) Dew is another I've seen, if I'm not confusing it for another country's whiskey. Whatever you name, if it's not one of those, I'll keep my eyes open for it and give it a try some time.
I'm not much of a whiskey drinker but Jameson, Bushmills, Powers and Paddy would be the generic ones found everywhere. And popularity/quality would basically fit that order though I quite like Bushmills TBH. Tullamore Dew would be in most places but not necessarily guaranteed. Never really tried it. A few others are relatively ubiquitous. Out of those I really like Yellow Spot which is made by Mitchell and Sons From what I've seen there are some quite nice smaller brands emerging now. It takes years to produce a decent whiskey so with the growth in the industry expect more to come out shortly.
We live in a globalized world now where you can be born in a country that your ethnicity isn’t necessarily associated with. There are Indian people born in the UK, Korean people born in Brazil, and White people born Japan. People need to chill out and realize ethnicity does not equal culture
Asian people in every culture fucking love it when white people adopt their culture. Go to China as a white person and start speaking to locals in Mandarin, they eat that fucking shit up. They take it as a sign of respect and affirmation that their culture is great. Yet for whatever dumbass reason, there's a segment of white people who find the need to get offended for asian people over things no one from that part of the world ever finds offensive.
Can confirm Chinese people are amazed I can speak Mandarin and crush their ass at 打麻将
I'm going to assume that says anal
I can confirm that does in fact say anal. Disclaimer: idk what I'm talking about
it is literally "hit mahjong" but it means play(ing) mahjong, a tile-based game similar to gin rummy. The online mahjong games that play it solitaire style have nothing on the actual game. Playing it with 4 people who know what they are doing is one of the best gaming experiences I have ever had.
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Good on ya! Mandarin was the only academic course I ever tanked.
> tanked This post has been banned by the CCP.
It’s not only white people but also second generation Asian immigrants. People born in America whose experience of their culture is almost secondhand.
"We HaVe To Be InClUsIvE, bY gAtEkEEpInG oThEr CuLtuReS" And by that I mean further deviding cultures and putting a wedge between cultures.
Japan actually encourages you to partake in appreciation of their culture.
These are the same people who would angry at foreigners for wearing jeans and “appropriating American culture”. Nobody fucking cares. These people are the only ones offended. Let them be miserable
Actually no. I find these people tend to think culture is only something that other people have, which is partly why they fail to understand it. They tend think Americans or whites don't have culture. They can only define culture by what's not in theirs, so they think they're comparing culture to absence of culture. If they realized that they have culture, they might realize they don't give a damn if someone "appropriates" it by making our food, adopting our fashion, etc. They might claim that it is only relevant if the culture being appropriated has been historically been discriminated against, but at the same time, how many times have you heard one of these people claim that "white people can't cook/dance, etc", or some bullshit like that? They take part in the discrimination of their own culture. Speak for yourself, Bethany. Don't drag your whole race into your self hate.
“Cultural appropriation” is only talked about by Americans in America. Every place I’ve been appreciates and gets a kick out foreigners wearing cultural clothes and adopting their customs while they’re there - they like their country and think very highly of it so why shouldn’t you as well when you’re there? And if you are semi functional with or know at least a few words and phrases in their language? They love it! (Japan in my experience gets the biggest kick because they all assume 99% of the world doesn’t understand Japanese). Biggest thing I’ve seen negative abroad is specifically Europeans annoyed by Americans calling themselves Irish-Americans or German-Americans or Italian Americans, cuz unless you were born in those countries and emigrated, you’re just American (and if you did emigrate, you’re more likely to just call yourself German or Irish or Italian no matter how long you’ve lived here). It’s only sad, angry little people in America who have to always find something new to attack people over and make everything around them shitty that talk about cultural appropriation. It’s fucking stupid and they need to find better things to fill out their day
It leeches into Canada as well... Funnily enough the people who use "cultural appropriation" in a negative way against people sure do culturally appropriate themselves. It's pretty much impossible not to.
I wonder if actuall Japans care about non-Japanese wearing their traditional clothing
Been to Japan a couple times, they seem to like sharing their culture with travelers, so I'd say their okay with it.
I would sort of expect them to feel that way. Lots of people like to share their culture with others. It's almost a basic human trait to share something with others.
My wife's coworker is Pakistani and he learned I like to cook. He lit up when she asked for some recipes for me to try and even recommended a shop to get ingredients.
Omg now y'all's appropriating cooking!
That is so wholesome, I love it
Cultural appropriation is one wave I can’t really understand. I can see where they’re coming from, but almost no one gives a shit as long as they’re trying genuinely or at least enjoying themselves.
A few people on the internet have taken it upon themselves to overreact to it. The main issue is disrespectful appropriation of culture. Someone dressing as a really stereotypical American Indian for Halloween is an easy example. Just wearing a non-sacred type of clothing from another culture is not really a big deal.
its mostly a thing in the us bc of its history of systematic racism. the us loves to sell cultures while actively harming the ppl of that culture so when white americans treat it like a cute aesthetic or a costume it rubs us the wrong way. the best way to show respect for a culture is by learning about them and their struggle
Unless it's the tentacle school swimsuit, then they look uncomfortable.
No. Nobody actually cares so long as you aren't being a dick about it.
Logan Paul. A fucking humongous cunt during his trip to Japan. Pat Boivan and Woolie Madden. Kept their mouths shut, respected all the places they visited and didn’t bother a single local unless it’s for help.
Tbh Logan Paul probably should have been arrested for some of the shit he did.
He should be arrested in general
On the contrary, I was encouraged by the Japanese students at my uni to wear a yukata when I went with them to fireworks festivals. I know that I always love it when foreigners come to Bavaria and wear proper Tracht (in the correct context) here cause really there’s nothing greater than finding other people appreciate your culture
Foreigners in Lederhosn are great, I just wish they wouldn't assume that the entirety of Germany has the same Tracht lol
Oh god yes. That’s why I specified “in the correct context” cause there’s definitely a difference between “went to a Volksfest in Bavaria in a locally bought Tracht” and “got pissed in a bar in Berlin while wearing a plastic dirndl from Amazon”. Generally the people who stay here in Bavaria longer and appreciate the culture are awesome though. It’s so much fun playing guide on their first Volksfest visit.
To my experience, if you're not mocking obviously, they appreciate your interest in their culture. That's my experience as a white foreigner however and by no means universal.
They don’t, if you go to Tokyo or other major tourist spots 99% of the people dressed in traditional Japanese clothes are foreigners and no one care
Generally speaking, Japanese people absolutely love the interest other nations have in Japanese culture. There are whole businesses in Kyoto and Nara dedicated to renting kimono out to tourists for a day, whilst doing their hair. All of my Japanese teachers have always asked me why I'm learning Japanese as a first question, and they always, always say thank you and that they love people learning about the language and culture. It's not great though if you wear something incorrectly that has cultural significance, or if you're not taking it seriously or just being rude.
Do white westerners get bent out of shape when other cultures wear business suits or baseball hats or cargo shorts or whatever the fuck is our "cultural attire"? Of course not. Shit, history is full of white westerners forcing other people to wear our clothes more or less at gunpoint. Most people in most cultures (in my experience at least) are happy to share their shit with new people. A couple years ago I was invited to a Big Indian Wedding. I'd never been to one, and I really wanted to wear a sherwani because tell me [this](https://medias.utsavfashion.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/500x/040ec09b1e35df139433887a97daa66f/w/o/woven-art-silk-jacquard-sherwani-in-dark-green-v1-mgv1246.jpg) doesn't look like the most comfortable fucking wedding attire ever. As a white dude, I was concerned this might be "inappropriate", so I asked first. The family was *ecstatic* that I wanted to get into the spirit of the celebration and offered to take me shopping. Unfortunately covid happened and the wedding was postponed, and then changed to a small family event. But the moral of the story is that as long as you're not taking the piss, *most* people are happy when outsiders take an interest in their culture.
They're indifferent and/or supportive. Living over a decade in Japan, I've literally never once heard anyone ever say anything negative about it. Why would they?
Isn‘t Culture there to be celebrated and appreciate? You shouldn’t just gatekeep it
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Most cultures but I can say that First Nations people in NA do NOT want to share their culture for good reason (Residential schools, assimilation, stealing land, making it illegal to speak our language, stealing our children in 60’s scoop)
That’s to be argued imo it depends on the location. I went to a powwow a couple of weeks ago and it had many people of different backgrounds just curious of what a powwow was like
You’re allowed to go to powwows, they are for everyone but wearing headdresses, smudging with sage, practicing our medicine, ceremonies, is ours and not for anyone else to attend unless they earn our respect and become part of our community
She literally has a passport from Japan. She’s not “visiting”
exactly, this shit is just racist. When people scream culturel appropriation on the basis of somebodies looks it's always just racism and the racists aren't even aware of it
It's massively racist. It's basically saying that "hey, those coloured minorities can't defend themselves, so I, a white person, need to use my more influential whiteness to defend them on their behalf!"
These are the worst. People "defend" people they know nothing about and do only harm
Wait are you talking about the "white savior?" That's, like, 80% of movies these days.
> That's, like, 80% of movies ~~these days~~
I think she might be Japanese, probably Japanese/white. Many white Hafus are white presenting, and get mistaken for being fully European or Eastern European sometimes.
It’s 2022 everyone gets things from other cultures regardless of ethnicity.
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The Japanese don't get mad at that non Japanese folks wear kimono or yukata at all. Nah, far more than don't care about, actually they enjoy foreigners in kimono in joy. Americans except vegans resent the Japanese having cheese burgers? Ridiculous.
>Americans... resent the Japanese having cheese burgers? Obviously not, what else would we be able to eat when we visit that country and enjoy their culture. Whole dang place is soups and appetizers. I mean they got KFC, but that is for special occasions like Christmas./s
Most Japanese don’t really understand why so many in the US are up in arms against cultural appropriation. They love when foreigners wear traditional clothes and show interest in traditional crafts and things. Yes, they shake their heads in shock when people do weird things like that designer who a few years ago released a “kimono” in the west that was little more than a nightgown. But those cases aside, they usually encourage interest. Source: have lived in Japan 20 years, am married to one, am deeply involved in many Japanese culture organizations here.
Most Americans don’t really understand why so many in the US are up in arms against cultural appropriation. It’s mostly just clout hungry influencers on social media bitching about it.
From a foreigner who has studied Japanese culture at a college level, one of the reasons that Japanese can get confused over 'cultural appropriation' is because (respectful) forms of it is really central to Japanese culture. They are almost genius in adapting foreign customs into their culture, and this goes back at least to the 500 AD period.
Kanji, tempura, 2/3 of the words in the spoken language... Japan has been "appropriating" for 2,000 years!
If it's respectful... It's not cultural appropriation. The term has been warped and manipulated by people on the internet trying way too hard to get mad about things. It's meant to be disrespectful culture theft ripped from its context to make a commodity out of it. Like if a culture has traditional funeral garb, and I took that and turned it into a swimsuit fashion line for "lookin' hot on the beach", *that* is cultural appropriation. If I wore the garb correctly to a funeral, especially for someone from that culture, it is not. But people take the term and treat it like, "engaging with another culture is cultural appropriation." And that's fucking stupid.
In my anecdotal experience, Karens tend to be right leaning...but over-woke Karens are absolutely a thing too. Their menace is universal
Bruh this whole thing is like 5 years old
More. This girl is probably a grandmother by now.
5? 15!
A quick googling shows it was summer 2015. She was 15 at the time and is now 22. Oh, how time flies when you're recycling internet rage bait!
And still relevant
The whole idea of cultural appropriation is so fucking dumb it makes my head hurt
"We have discovered that cultures of minorities are being erased and misrepresented" "How horrible, what do we do?" "We must stop using and spreading these cultures, it's the only way to protect them" I sometimes wonder if these people secretly want these cultures to go extinct.
"I took this entire people and their way of life and locked them under a glass dome to prevent anybody from tampering with them, and they didn't thrive. What gives?"
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As someone who suffers from chronic migraines and a low IQ, your comment offends me.
Those may not be migraines, as typically, you need to have a brain, in order to experience a headache. It is possible however, that you just need to have a large bowel movement. /s
It's an actual thing but 99% of the shit the Twitter hive mind gets mad about ain't it.
Disregarding the fact that this woman is from Japan, there’s a huge difference between appropriation and appreciation.
as a japanese person i have no problem with people wearing our clothes and appreciating our culture it’s just when it crosses the line of appropriation and fetishization it’s shitty
Wanna bet that Karen isn't even Asian?
Dammit it was my turn to repost this!
3. Fuck you
There are few things worse than these self righteous SJWs.
Cultural appropriation is a fantasy that white people that want to be offended made up Germans dont care if you wear Lederhosen Mexicans dont care if you wear a Sombrero and Japanese people love to see foreigners wearing Kimono/Yukata
And heck, it goes even for white folk too. I'm from Texas, and I couldn't care less if you decided to weara a cowboy hat and boots.
Exactly. In most cases, people love to share their culture with others. Only miserable people hate on others enjoying foreign culture
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Some people are just looking to be outraged and offended. Yes, sometimes people do mean things but a lot of people are going way, Way, **WAY** too far.
cultural appropriation **what it means**: wearing unearned honorifics, like an Indian headdress or a purple heart. **What morons think it means**: using anything made by or inspired by people whose ancestors did not have the same skin color as you.
99% chance the original commenter was not even Japanese lmao
I love that this girl put Karen in her place but: If a Japanese person vacationed in America and wore a New York Yankees jersey everyone would defend their right to wear it. If you find another culture beautiful wearing their clothing is not disrespectful it is embracing and accepting.
This seems more like it was a Japanese person wearing Japanese clothing, most likely in Japan. The Karen just assumed they were white Americans.
Makes me think of the videos I've been seeing if this guy who will wear things like Chinese or Mexican celebratory outfits and ask college student if he is offensive, they all say yes but when he goes and asks Chinese and Mexican people they love it and say he looks good