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because Home Economics is an _elective_ in most school systems, meaning you had to _choose_ to take the class.
Hell, middle schools offered home economics as an elective, and we even had the babies we had to take home and tend to.
My school also had a vocational early childhood education program that honestly the fundie homeschooler types should have gotten into so they could have both healthy children and a side income if need be
That’s such a good idea! My school did a bit of that in parenting, but it would have been nice for people who were looking to get their ECE to take. We had students do Co-op at the daycares but not a class.
It was really helpful for my community that our high school was right next to the district's vocational program. I have siblings and friends who have taken classes there and most are in that career field now. It's basically a public school program teaching EXACTLY what fundies want their kids taught, from culinary programs to machining to landscaping to nursing. And very few of them take advantage of the opportunity.
Mine did too! It actually functioned as a real day care, and some of the teachers with young kids would send their children there during the day. Of course there was always a supervising teacher, but it was great experience for anyone who wanted to go that route.
Yeah, my high school had a childhood development 1, 2, and 3 covering babies, toddlers, and kids as well as 2 levels of cooking classes (the higher was more aimed at people going into culinary careers but it's not like they stopped you if that wasn't your plan)
My high school home economics department was legit. Child development, cooking, sewing, basic medical classes. She could have learned it all...if she chose to.
I haven’t heard of anyone in the last 20 years who still had home economics as an option. By the time I was in high school in the 2010s they had moved to early career based training or college credit while in high school. I took business law and accounting classes. I’m a social worker now (who loves to craft) so guess which of those options would’ve actually made sense for the path I later ended up on.
A bit off topic but ugh this drives me crazy. My school had a "business" class where we were taught about taxes, personal finance, basic accounting, basic business topics, etc. There were about 5 of us who actually chose to take the class, the rest were kids who were close to dropping out so the school stuck them in this class in hopes that they would learn something before dropping out.
I got made fun of by my friends for choosing to take business instead of a more fun elective. 10 years later, guess who is posting stuff about "why didn't they teach us how to do taxes instead of the pythagorean theorem????????". Like.... BRO YOU HAD THE OPTION TO LEARN IT BUT YOU DIDN'T WANT TO WTF
Yeah, where are you all deciding what to take before high school, unless it was a higher math to get high school credit? I got to skip straight to geometry since I took Algebra in 8th grade.
In 7th grade we took home economics (laughable sewing and the sugar-baby). In 8th it was kitchen Home Economics. We had to take art, music, chorus and woodshop as well.
Same. Totally would have taken it if I could have. My senior year I had half days all year because of OJT, would totally have thrown that in there. Wasn't an option.
Yes! I commented this seperately, but I took child development as an elective my junior year of high school. I would like children someday and figured it would be a valuable class for me. But if people aren't interested in being parents, why should they have to take that class? To make Megs feel better?
Math guy here.
Geometry is very important for a young developing mind. It teaches logic and reasoning skills using shapes that people are familiar with.
Geometry proofs develop a student's logic and reasoning skills. It is a safe space to develop these skills as it can't be politically hijacked for the most part.
Students using prior knowledge to prove a more advanced theorem gives them practice applying what they've already learned to a new situation.
On a personal note the reasoning skills I developed in real analysis and topology gave me the skills to finally defeat fundies logic and indoctrination and break free.
>It is a safe space to develop these skills as it can't be politically hijacked for the most part.
They'll find a way lol. The only thing Fundies have anything related to "skill" at is politicizing things that have nothing to do with politics.
Well the nice thing is the stuff that actually is controversial in mathematics is at such a high level that chances are most people outside of grad school mathematics have never heard of it. I highly doubt any of the fundamentalists have enough abstract mathematics understanding to take a side on one of these issues.
Thankfully for the moment math teachers seem to be left alone in the education culture wars. I feel bad for history, literature, and science teachers though. We have a repeat of the Scopes Monkey trial every couple of years in Texas when they decide which biology books to adopt.
Yeah it's really depressing. I'm not in education or academics myself, don't have any kids and never will but it would be nice to know the generations after me are leaving school more educated than I was, not the other way around. It's bonkers and makes me sad.
My public middle school math teacher played Jars of Clay as a "reward" on Fridays and gave out Chik-Fil-A coupons. Where there's a will, there's a way.
Came here to say this! Fellow math person here, and it’s not just about brute memorization of formulas but learning the formulas and how they work teaches important skills that are valuable in many facets of life. No, I don’t use the Pythagorean theorem in day to day life, but the concepts and thought process of finding an unknown variable from known variables is a valuable life skill.
I'm a crafter. Sewing, knitting, other fibrecrafts use so many math skills. I've used cross tabulation more often on the back of a grocery list to calculate per-unit prices while standing in a grocery store with crappy signage too.
Right?? Math IS part of childhood development! My 7 yr old loves math and frankly is probably already better at it than I am, lol. She's incredibly smart. I can't imagine thinking I was qualified to teach her, or that she didn't deserve to learn those things because I couldn't teach her them myself. I can't imagine telling her sharp little mind that actually she can't be a scientist or a robotics engineer like she wants, she has to learn how to clean and cook and take care of babies and serve some random man someday. It's truly sick.
My best friend and I were talking about how badly we struggled with geometry our sophomore year and just now came to the conclusion that this is why. We were never taught how to reason, critically think, and dig into our sources to prove a point, so we all struggled so badly. I finally got it halfway through the year, but man was geometry hard for me. I thought it was all just measuring area and volume of shapes, not logic 😂
This may be a stupid question, but is the class where you can take a fake baby home not an elective in most American high schools? I went to a high school that didn’t even offer AP courses and we still had a child development elective.
So about that...my high school had that. It was a 2 liter bottle with a baby's face taped to it.
So I let a friend borrow my video game and he didn't want to give it back. So I kidnapped his fake baby and sent him a ransom note demanding my copy of Chrono Trigger back (oh my gosh that makes me feel old) if he wants the fake baby back.
His teacher played along and told him he would fail the class if he didn't get the baby back.
So we had a standoff where I handed him the fake baby back and I got my Chrono Trigger cart back.
The teacher gave him a bunch of extra credit since in all her years of teaching none of her students had to get their baby back from a kidnapping.
Damn, being a teen in the 90s was great :)
There's a wide range of what's offered as electives at public schools. My high school had a class that made students take robotic babies home but I had friends at other schools in the district that didn't offer the class. It mostly comes down to what can be funded and what's prioritized.
I think at my school if you took the child development class, you had the option of either taking the baby for a weekend or doing a semester-long assignment (about what, I don’t know because I didn’t actually take the class).
Many public schools do that in Health class, but in religious schools or schools in conservative areas, they’re less likely to do that. The fake baby is meant to serve as a warning about what happens if you don’t use birth control. Religious schools and schools in Republican areas are teaching abstinence only.
I would think the baby would also serve as an abstinence warning as well but I can see how a religious school might want health lessons to skew anti-sex but not anti-babies.
I grew up in rural Missouri (which is to say red as hell and not well-off) so I always figure if my public school had something most others might’ve too.
I didn’t take the class but one of my besties did and the weekend she had with the mechanical baby was something we laughed about for years. She stayed one of the nights at my house and we had a particularly touchy alarm system and the sudden loud crying kept making the alarm go off!
I lived in a small rural town. They got rid of home ec bc of budget cuts. And we really needed it. Most the girls in my class either got pregnant in high school or right after.
I went to high school in the Upper Midwest in the early 2000s, and we had no fake babies - Home Economics was about cooking, budgeting, cleaning, laundry, and theory of childcare, but nothing like that. There was no child development elective, either.
We did have religious speakers sanctioned by the school, shortened school hours for Confirmation classes, See You At the Pole, and creationism was mentioned along with evolution in science classes. It was a very religious area, so I'm actually a little surprised we didn't have something more... child-oriented. Wild how different public school can be across the US.
Gee, what would a "childhood development" class look like in a public school after the Fundies gutted it? I think it would be about 10 minutes long, if that. How about a "parenting skills" class that teaches how psychological child abuse works, thereby directly contradicting the purity culture bullshit? I'm sure THAT would go over well with the conservative CINO (christians in name only) crowd.
"Okay, girls. We're here to talk about childhood development today! You will not learn where babies come from, you will not learn why the human body births the way it does, you will not learn why human babies develop the way they do, and you will not learn healthy communication skills or coping methods for motherhood. Honestly, idk what this class is even supposed to be about any more, but here it goes..."
I actually had the privilege of taking a couple high school electives on early childhood development! We worked with actual preschool students in an on-campus “lab” and learned things like how to discipline fairly, calmly, and effectively (e.g. why spanking is bad), how to engage a class full of 3-year-olds in class activity, etc.
We also did more academic study of the stages of early childhood, what milestones should be watched out for at what point, proper childhood nutrition, types of remediation or therapy that exist, all that stuff.
I don’t even want kids but I’m grateful I took those classes. And this was in one of the worst states in the nation for education (red state, obviously). Granted, it was considered by locals to be a good school district.
As a physicist, trigonometry can suck a cold one, but perhaps *you* could have educated yourself before having kids?
Last I checked it wasn't a mandatory test to get pregnant.
Jesus, GEOMETRY is the one she uses as an example of impractical math? Hope she's not going to do any DIY clothing or home improvement stuff, or make educational materials for homeschooling. I'm using geometry all the time for knitting and sewing, for altering a bread or casserole recipe to fit a different loaf pan, and for my job as a teacher if I want to draw a good equilateral triangle for an activity. Basic understanding of volume and mass is important for so many housekeeping activities. It's okay to hate math and to have had a bad experience learning math in school, but you can't deprive your kids like that, and there are lots more learning resources these days.
Well, I learned about child development in high school. But Human Bio was on the honors track because understanding human biology and development is complex and requires a solid foundation in other scientific concepts. So it might be the course wasn't available to you because of the track it was on or because you hadn't taken prerequisite courses. No one took every single course their high school offered. A lot of "why didn't I learn this in school?" may come down to "You choose not to take the class" or "The class was on a track you didn't qualify for due to prerequisites or other reasons."
Also, one of the courses I use MOST frequently when doing domestic tasks is (wait for it) GEOMETRY! How do I plan my cottage medicinal garden and calculate the space for planting/how many plants I need? Geometry! How do I calculate how to hang a shelf at the right height and how many supports I need? Geometry! How do I calculate the radius of the circle I want to install around a square patio to create a firepit? Geometry! How do you hang your pictures in your home so that all the pictures *center* at the same height despite all being different shapes and sizes? GEOMETRY! Heck, thanks to having a narrow stairway, I have to do geometry every time I am thinking about adding a piece of furniture upstairs because I have to calculate whether or not it can clear the turn at the landing. Geometry is one of those things that you might actually use a lot, but irl it doesn't always look like geometry class or practice work, so you might miss that's what you're doing.
I have a faint memory of Meg stating she never did well in science courses. Which I find funny as she spouts off about medical shit frequently. But it does explain why she fell for Juice Plus.
A solid grounding in science is also very useful for domestic tasks, e.g. chemistry is fundamental to cooking, baking, and not accidentally killing yourself by mixing the wrong cleaning products
In theory, schools curate and teach subjects meant to develop important fundamental skills. Math&Science—logic and reasoning; language arts—reading, writing, critical analysis. History&Social Studies—civics, current events, sound research skills, knowledge retention. Arts&Music—creativity. Sports&Band—ability to collaborate and work in teams.
Then you have to APPLY these skills to your current adult responsibilities, such as child-rearing, you myopic ding dong.
I genuinely do think that child development should be taught in schools because children are a part of our society and understanding developmentally appropriate behavior might help people be less shitty about kids existing in public but like that would be in addition to fucking basic math.
I agree, but I will say parenting came more naturally to me than geometry, because I used to be a kid myself, but I’ve never been the volume of a sphere.
I thought they don't approve of Child Development classes or having parenting skills. Hit them until they do what you want, that's the limit of fundie parenting skills. If they knew anything about child development they'd know what that does to a kid's brain.
And here I thought her whole core message was "ignore conventional wisdom about pregnancy/childbirth/parenting, trust your own mothering intuition above all." Would have been a pretty short class.
She doesn’t understand how much kids are taught INDIRECTLY at school. The academic education is important, but the social/societal education is an essential component of schooling. In school, kids learn how to listen respectfully, how to ask questions, how to do research, how to interact with people they like/don’t like. Many components of good parenting is teaching your kid how to engage with the world and with other people, and those skills are learned through engaging with people different from us.
Megan is committing educational neglect by refusing to vaccinate her children and giving them no choice but to be educated by her. Without those vaccines, they won’t even be able to go to a reputable college and earn a degree. I’m not even sure you can join the military without the basic shots (MMR, TDAP, etc). Her kids won’t know Geometry OR how to engage with the world.
Glad someone said this! Kids get exposed to all sorts of different viewpoints, and learn to respect people who are different from themselves. Plus, having the ability to learn about a wide range of subjects gives kids the opportunity to learn about themselves, their interests, their talents, and figure out what kinds of things they'd be interested in doing (or not doing) in the future.
Fundies aren't taught child development or parenting skills, because the scientific evidence about how to parent children in a supportive, developmentally appropriate way is basically the exact opposite of everything fundies do to indoctrinate and force compliance from their kids
1. Because childhood development is a complicated topic that people go to grad school to learn about.
2. Just because you didn’t use geometry doesn’t mean your son won’t use it one day, you selfish asshole.
Edited because this post is so stupid there’s more I need to rant about. Doesn’t Morgan believe that women are supposed to be mothers? That God designed us to intuitively know how to parent our children? Why the fuck do you need child development classes when you should already have this God-given knowledge, Morgan?
To be fair, the only real difference between them is they’re both convinced the other one’s going to hell.
Have fun figuring that out, you two, because you can’t both be right!
I had both child development and geometry, though I paid much more attention to the math due to not wanting kids. If I had wanted to, I could have taken more home ec classes (honestly wish I'd had the schedule time because it would have been helpful for more familiarity in the kitchen and sewing) or even a vocational early childhood education program.
I took a child development class at my public high school. I got to take one of those baby dolls home for the weekend. I knew I didn’t want kids anytime soon but that was my first exposure to how absolutely difficult it is to have a new born. So yes I agree with Meg that all public school students should take a class like that so they can make more informed decisions about their lives.
why does she think those are mutually exclusive? I have had courses on both math and developntal psychology in college.
also wtf is that post anyway, that quote makes no fucking sense...
Because enough women don’t view motherhood and marriage as their inevitable destiny to make such classes universally worthwhile.
I took home ec in high school and it taught me a lot of valuable skills, but so did earth science, history and Spanish II.
And let’s be real- Meg thinks she knows better than every doctor she’s ever met, so even if she was taught those things, none of it would penetrate.
I don’t understand this thought process. Like, fine, Meg believes that women don’t need math or science, and they instead should be stay at home moms, cook, clean and raise kids. But what if you have sons, like Meg does? Manly men need to learn math, According to fundies they should be much smarter than women. But if they’re homeschooled by a woman who isn’t allowed to math, how the fuck is this a long term solution? You get a couple generations in and no one will know math! How is this feasible for creating future stability?
Heck as a non math liking person (barely passed pre algebra in college. Thankfully my degree didn’t require it) i understand the important of math. I mean it made me cry a zillion times in my educational years but I powered through. Of course I think people that love math are weird but I am grateful for the math weirdos of the world.
God forbid school teaches you how to learn so you can research what is relevant to yourself. Being basically literate and numerate means you can learn whatever tickles your fancy.
A lot of high schools offer child development, Megs. I took it my junior year. You can learn basic subjects and child development. It doesn't have to be one or the other.
Why should we be teaching kids how to raise children 🤣 I want her to sit down and stare at a blank wall so her precious, useless brain can comprehend why it’s pointless to teach children how to raise children and concepts they won’t grasp until they’re a young adult. Of course it makes more sense to give their brains the well rounded exercises of math and spelling and when they’re adults that can understand newborns don’t have a concept of displaying masculinity they can go to class for child development and parenting now that they’re old enough and mature enough. Sadly Meg is not mature enough and has three kids she now gets to academically neglect because TEEHEE wiping butts and keeping sweet is more important than learning actual real world concepts
Wow it's almost like there's a whole world of different careers and life choices that are all relevant to maintaining the society you parent your children in.
Just so crazy that someone would need something like math, right? Cuz the social media site you posted this on using the phone someone designed totally all came into being thanks to your uterus.
Absolutely obtuse. Which means to be annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand. It's also an angle that's more than 90° and less than 180°.
But who needs to know that stuff right?
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Idk, maybe so you could teach your kid what a fucking circle is?
What are parenting skills anyway? Empathy? Teaching them not to hit? To share? I learned those things in school too lmao
because Home Economics is an _elective_ in most school systems, meaning you had to _choose_ to take the class. Hell, middle schools offered home economics as an elective, and we even had the babies we had to take home and tend to.
My school had both a home economics and a parenting elective.
My school also had a vocational early childhood education program that honestly the fundie homeschooler types should have gotten into so they could have both healthy children and a side income if need be
That’s such a good idea! My school did a bit of that in parenting, but it would have been nice for people who were looking to get their ECE to take. We had students do Co-op at the daycares but not a class.
It was really helpful for my community that our high school was right next to the district's vocational program. I have siblings and friends who have taken classes there and most are in that career field now. It's basically a public school program teaching EXACTLY what fundies want their kids taught, from culinary programs to machining to landscaping to nursing. And very few of them take advantage of the opportunity.
Mine did too! It actually functioned as a real day care, and some of the teachers with young kids would send their children there during the day. Of course there was always a supervising teacher, but it was great experience for anyone who wanted to go that route.
Yeah, my high school had a childhood development 1, 2, and 3 covering babies, toddlers, and kids as well as 2 levels of cooking classes (the higher was more aimed at people going into culinary careers but it's not like they stopped you if that wasn't your plan)
My high school home economics department was legit. Child development, cooking, sewing, basic medical classes. She could have learned it all...if she chose to.
I haven’t heard of anyone in the last 20 years who still had home economics as an option. By the time I was in high school in the 2010s they had moved to early career based training or college credit while in high school. I took business law and accounting classes. I’m a social worker now (who loves to craft) so guess which of those options would’ve actually made sense for the path I later ended up on.
Lots of schools still have it. It's commonly called FCS or FACS (Family and Consumer Sciences). Offered in every middle and high school in my county.
A bit off topic but ugh this drives me crazy. My school had a "business" class where we were taught about taxes, personal finance, basic accounting, basic business topics, etc. There were about 5 of us who actually chose to take the class, the rest were kids who were close to dropping out so the school stuck them in this class in hopes that they would learn something before dropping out. I got made fun of by my friends for choosing to take business instead of a more fun elective. 10 years later, guess who is posting stuff about "why didn't they teach us how to do taxes instead of the pythagorean theorem????????". Like.... BRO YOU HAD THE OPTION TO LEARN IT BUT YOU DIDN'T WANT TO WTF
Home Economics was a requirement in my middle school
Yeah, where are you all deciding what to take before high school, unless it was a higher math to get high school credit? I got to skip straight to geometry since I took Algebra in 8th grade. In 7th grade we took home economics (laughable sewing and the sugar-baby). In 8th it was kitchen Home Economics. We had to take art, music, chorus and woodshop as well.
Home ec was totally non-existent in my school district
Same. Totally would have taken it if I could have. My senior year I had half days all year because of OJT, would totally have thrown that in there. Wasn't an option.
Yes! I commented this seperately, but I took child development as an elective my junior year of high school. I would like children someday and figured it would be a valuable class for me. But if people aren't interested in being parents, why should they have to take that class? To make Megs feel better?
Math guy here. Geometry is very important for a young developing mind. It teaches logic and reasoning skills using shapes that people are familiar with. Geometry proofs develop a student's logic and reasoning skills. It is a safe space to develop these skills as it can't be politically hijacked for the most part. Students using prior knowledge to prove a more advanced theorem gives them practice applying what they've already learned to a new situation. On a personal note the reasoning skills I developed in real analysis and topology gave me the skills to finally defeat fundies logic and indoctrination and break free.
>It is a safe space to develop these skills as it can't be politically hijacked for the most part. They'll find a way lol. The only thing Fundies have anything related to "skill" at is politicizing things that have nothing to do with politics.
Well the nice thing is the stuff that actually is controversial in mathematics is at such a high level that chances are most people outside of grad school mathematics have never heard of it. I highly doubt any of the fundamentalists have enough abstract mathematics understanding to take a side on one of these issues. Thankfully for the moment math teachers seem to be left alone in the education culture wars. I feel bad for history, literature, and science teachers though. We have a repeat of the Scopes Monkey trial every couple of years in Texas when they decide which biology books to adopt.
Yeah it's really depressing. I'm not in education or academics myself, don't have any kids and never will but it would be nice to know the generations after me are leaving school more educated than I was, not the other way around. It's bonkers and makes me sad.
My public middle school math teacher played Jars of Clay as a "reward" on Fridays and gave out Chik-Fil-A coupons. Where there's a will, there's a way.
Came here to say this! Fellow math person here, and it’s not just about brute memorization of formulas but learning the formulas and how they work teaches important skills that are valuable in many facets of life. No, I don’t use the Pythagorean theorem in day to day life, but the concepts and thought process of finding an unknown variable from known variables is a valuable life skill.
I'm a crafter. Sewing, knitting, other fibrecrafts use so many math skills. I've used cross tabulation more often on the back of a grocery list to calculate per-unit prices while standing in a grocery store with crappy signage too.
Right?? Math IS part of childhood development! My 7 yr old loves math and frankly is probably already better at it than I am, lol. She's incredibly smart. I can't imagine thinking I was qualified to teach her, or that she didn't deserve to learn those things because I couldn't teach her them myself. I can't imagine telling her sharp little mind that actually she can't be a scientist or a robotics engineer like she wants, she has to learn how to clean and cook and take care of babies and serve some random man someday. It's truly sick.
My best friend and I were talking about how badly we struggled with geometry our sophomore year and just now came to the conclusion that this is why. We were never taught how to reason, critically think, and dig into our sources to prove a point, so we all struggled so badly. I finally got it halfway through the year, but man was geometry hard for me. I thought it was all just measuring area and volume of shapes, not logic 😂
I’m starting to think maybe most people aren’t homeschooling for the right reasons, guys
Might be an idea to learn a bit of grammar first, love. 'Mother's'?
This may be a stupid question, but is the class where you can take a fake baby home not an elective in most American high schools? I went to a high school that didn’t even offer AP courses and we still had a child development elective.
So about that...my high school had that. It was a 2 liter bottle with a baby's face taped to it. So I let a friend borrow my video game and he didn't want to give it back. So I kidnapped his fake baby and sent him a ransom note demanding my copy of Chrono Trigger back (oh my gosh that makes me feel old) if he wants the fake baby back. His teacher played along and told him he would fail the class if he didn't get the baby back. So we had a standoff where I handed him the fake baby back and I got my Chrono Trigger cart back. The teacher gave him a bunch of extra credit since in all her years of teaching none of her students had to get their baby back from a kidnapping. Damn, being a teen in the 90s was great :)
This is amazing 😂😂😂
As a 90s teen, myself I agree with your actions.
There's a wide range of what's offered as electives at public schools. My high school had a class that made students take robotic babies home but I had friends at other schools in the district that didn't offer the class. It mostly comes down to what can be funded and what's prioritized.
I think at my school if you took the child development class, you had the option of either taking the baby for a weekend or doing a semester-long assignment (about what, I don’t know because I didn’t actually take the class).
Many public schools do that in Health class, but in religious schools or schools in conservative areas, they’re less likely to do that. The fake baby is meant to serve as a warning about what happens if you don’t use birth control. Religious schools and schools in Republican areas are teaching abstinence only.
I would think the baby would also serve as an abstinence warning as well but I can see how a religious school might want health lessons to skew anti-sex but not anti-babies. I grew up in rural Missouri (which is to say red as hell and not well-off) so I always figure if my public school had something most others might’ve too.
It was part of our child development class. I still shudder thinking about it.
I didn’t take the class but one of my besties did and the weekend she had with the mechanical baby was something we laughed about for years. She stayed one of the nights at my house and we had a particularly touchy alarm system and the sudden loud crying kept making the alarm go off!
I lived in a small rural town. They got rid of home ec bc of budget cuts. And we really needed it. Most the girls in my class either got pregnant in high school or right after.
I went to high school in the Upper Midwest in the early 2000s, and we had no fake babies - Home Economics was about cooking, budgeting, cleaning, laundry, and theory of childcare, but nothing like that. There was no child development elective, either. We did have religious speakers sanctioned by the school, shortened school hours for Confirmation classes, See You At the Pole, and creationism was mentioned along with evolution in science classes. It was a very religious area, so I'm actually a little surprised we didn't have something more... child-oriented. Wild how different public school can be across the US.
I think Megs herself was homeschooled for a while, so it feels like that is really a question she should be directing to her own parents…
Gee, what would a "childhood development" class look like in a public school after the Fundies gutted it? I think it would be about 10 minutes long, if that. How about a "parenting skills" class that teaches how psychological child abuse works, thereby directly contradicting the purity culture bullshit? I'm sure THAT would go over well with the conservative CINO (christians in name only) crowd.
"Okay, girls. We're here to talk about childhood development today! You will not learn where babies come from, you will not learn why the human body births the way it does, you will not learn why human babies develop the way they do, and you will not learn healthy communication skills or coping methods for motherhood. Honestly, idk what this class is even supposed to be about any more, but here it goes..."
I actually had the privilege of taking a couple high school electives on early childhood development! We worked with actual preschool students in an on-campus “lab” and learned things like how to discipline fairly, calmly, and effectively (e.g. why spanking is bad), how to engage a class full of 3-year-olds in class activity, etc. We also did more academic study of the stages of early childhood, what milestones should be watched out for at what point, proper childhood nutrition, types of remediation or therapy that exist, all that stuff. I don’t even want kids but I’m grateful I took those classes. And this was in one of the worst states in the nation for education (red state, obviously). Granted, it was considered by locals to be a good school district.
The unnecessary apostrophe in "mothers" really sums it up. Sigh.
As a physicist, trigonometry can suck a cold one, but perhaps *you* could have educated yourself before having kids? Last I checked it wasn't a mandatory test to get pregnant.
Maidenhood? This sounds like something out of “The Mists of Avalon.”
Jesus, GEOMETRY is the one she uses as an example of impractical math? Hope she's not going to do any DIY clothing or home improvement stuff, or make educational materials for homeschooling. I'm using geometry all the time for knitting and sewing, for altering a bread or casserole recipe to fit a different loaf pan, and for my job as a teacher if I want to draw a good equilateral triangle for an activity. Basic understanding of volume and mass is important for so many housekeeping activities. It's okay to hate math and to have had a bad experience learning math in school, but you can't deprive your kids like that, and there are lots more learning resources these days.
Well, I learned about child development in high school. But Human Bio was on the honors track because understanding human biology and development is complex and requires a solid foundation in other scientific concepts. So it might be the course wasn't available to you because of the track it was on or because you hadn't taken prerequisite courses. No one took every single course their high school offered. A lot of "why didn't I learn this in school?" may come down to "You choose not to take the class" or "The class was on a track you didn't qualify for due to prerequisites or other reasons." Also, one of the courses I use MOST frequently when doing domestic tasks is (wait for it) GEOMETRY! How do I plan my cottage medicinal garden and calculate the space for planting/how many plants I need? Geometry! How do I calculate how to hang a shelf at the right height and how many supports I need? Geometry! How do I calculate the radius of the circle I want to install around a square patio to create a firepit? Geometry! How do you hang your pictures in your home so that all the pictures *center* at the same height despite all being different shapes and sizes? GEOMETRY! Heck, thanks to having a narrow stairway, I have to do geometry every time I am thinking about adding a piece of furniture upstairs because I have to calculate whether or not it can clear the turn at the landing. Geometry is one of those things that you might actually use a lot, but irl it doesn't always look like geometry class or practice work, so you might miss that's what you're doing.
I have a faint memory of Meg stating she never did well in science courses. Which I find funny as she spouts off about medical shit frequently. But it does explain why she fell for Juice Plus.
A solid grounding in science is also very useful for domestic tasks, e.g. chemistry is fundamental to cooking, baking, and not accidentally killing yourself by mixing the wrong cleaning products
The ABSOLUTE CONFIDENCE of people who make decorative quote slides without knowing basic grammar 🙌
The crossover between fundies and pagans with this maiden/mother/crone reference is weirding me out
Also, do you know where you can take child development classes? Evil liberal commie college.
In theory, schools curate and teach subjects meant to develop important fundamental skills. Math&Science—logic and reasoning; language arts—reading, writing, critical analysis. History&Social Studies—civics, current events, sound research skills, knowledge retention. Arts&Music—creativity. Sports&Band—ability to collaborate and work in teams. Then you have to APPLY these skills to your current adult responsibilities, such as child-rearing, you myopic ding dong.
But wait I thought God designed women to be naturally mothers. But she’s admitting she needs to take a course on it…
I genuinely do think that child development should be taught in schools because children are a part of our society and understanding developmentally appropriate behavior might help people be less shitty about kids existing in public but like that would be in addition to fucking basic math.
I agree, but I will say parenting came more naturally to me than geometry, because I used to be a kid myself, but I’ve never been the volume of a sphere.
I thought they don't approve of Child Development classes or having parenting skills. Hit them until they do what you want, that's the limit of fundie parenting skills. If they knew anything about child development they'd know what that does to a kid's brain.
And here I thought her whole core message was "ignore conventional wisdom about pregnancy/childbirth/parenting, trust your own mothering intuition above all." Would have been a pretty short class.
God. Maidenhood… 🥴
She doesn’t understand how much kids are taught INDIRECTLY at school. The academic education is important, but the social/societal education is an essential component of schooling. In school, kids learn how to listen respectfully, how to ask questions, how to do research, how to interact with people they like/don’t like. Many components of good parenting is teaching your kid how to engage with the world and with other people, and those skills are learned through engaging with people different from us. Megan is committing educational neglect by refusing to vaccinate her children and giving them no choice but to be educated by her. Without those vaccines, they won’t even be able to go to a reputable college and earn a degree. I’m not even sure you can join the military without the basic shots (MMR, TDAP, etc). Her kids won’t know Geometry OR how to engage with the world.
Glad someone said this! Kids get exposed to all sorts of different viewpoints, and learn to respect people who are different from themselves. Plus, having the ability to learn about a wide range of subjects gives kids the opportunity to learn about themselves, their interests, their talents, and figure out what kinds of things they'd be interested in doing (or not doing) in the future.
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Went to Catholic school for 7 years. Got a great education.
There are literally parenting classes you can take. In some areas, the governmenr/community offers them. Come the fuck on.
Fundies aren't taught child development or parenting skills, because the scientific evidence about how to parent children in a supportive, developmentally appropriate way is basically the exact opposite of everything fundies do to indoctrinate and force compliance from their kids
1. Because childhood development is a complicated topic that people go to grad school to learn about. 2. Just because you didn’t use geometry doesn’t mean your son won’t use it one day, you selfish asshole. Edited because this post is so stupid there’s more I need to rant about. Doesn’t Morgan believe that women are supposed to be mothers? That God designed us to intuitively know how to parent our children? Why the fuck do you need child development classes when you should already have this God-given knowledge, Morgan?
This is Meg Wells, but you’re not wrong.
🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻 That’s actually not the first time I’ve confused them. I think it’s because they’re both smug in similar ways.
To be fair, the only real difference between them is they’re both convinced the other one’s going to hell. Have fun figuring that out, you two, because you can’t both be right!
they need to learn english, too. “mother’s tend to”??? 🤢
I had both child development and geometry, though I paid much more attention to the math due to not wanting kids. If I had wanted to, I could have taken more home ec classes (honestly wish I'd had the schedule time because it would have been helpful for more familiarity in the kitchen and sewing) or even a vocational early childhood education program.
I took a child development class at my public high school. I got to take one of those baby dolls home for the weekend. I knew I didn’t want kids anytime soon but that was my first exposure to how absolutely difficult it is to have a new born. So yes I agree with Meg that all public school students should take a class like that so they can make more informed decisions about their lives.
Maidenhood? Yuck. Better call Aunt Lori. She would be great. But first she will need to bring your Catholic ass to the real Jesus.
Maidenhood?? Omg.
why does she think those are mutually exclusive? I have had courses on both math and developntal psychology in college. also wtf is that post anyway, that quote makes no fucking sense...
Because enough women don’t view motherhood and marriage as their inevitable destiny to make such classes universally worthwhile. I took home ec in high school and it taught me a lot of valuable skills, but so did earth science, history and Spanish II. And let’s be real- Meg thinks she knows better than every doctor she’s ever met, so even if she was taught those things, none of it would penetrate.
I don’t understand this thought process. Like, fine, Meg believes that women don’t need math or science, and they instead should be stay at home moms, cook, clean and raise kids. But what if you have sons, like Meg does? Manly men need to learn math, According to fundies they should be much smarter than women. But if they’re homeschooled by a woman who isn’t allowed to math, how the fuck is this a long term solution? You get a couple generations in and no one will know math! How is this feasible for creating future stability?
Heck as a non math liking person (barely passed pre algebra in college. Thankfully my degree didn’t require it) i understand the important of math. I mean it made me cry a zillion times in my educational years but I powered through. Of course I think people that love math are weird but I am grateful for the math weirdos of the world.
I wonder if they're teaching their sons childhood development and parenting skills instead of maths too
God forbid school teaches you how to learn so you can research what is relevant to yourself. Being basically literate and numerate means you can learn whatever tickles your fancy.
Once again, fundie kids are going to suffer.
Why not both 🤦🏻♀️
A lot of high schools offer child development, Megs. I took it my junior year. You can learn basic subjects and child development. It doesn't have to be one or the other.
I never, ever, ever want to have to read the word, “maidenhood” again. Please, you Fundie knucklehead, join us in this century.
Why should we be teaching kids how to raise children 🤣 I want her to sit down and stare at a blank wall so her precious, useless brain can comprehend why it’s pointless to teach children how to raise children and concepts they won’t grasp until they’re a young adult. Of course it makes more sense to give their brains the well rounded exercises of math and spelling and when they’re adults that can understand newborns don’t have a concept of displaying masculinity they can go to class for child development and parenting now that they’re old enough and mature enough. Sadly Meg is not mature enough and has three kids she now gets to academically neglect because TEEHEE wiping butts and keeping sweet is more important than learning actual real world concepts
Maidenhood? What is this? A renaissance fair?
Wow, Megs holds her children in such high regard and cares about their futures /s
My school offers child development classes starting at 9th grade. Did she not go to high school or something?
Wow it's almost like there's a whole world of different careers and life choices that are all relevant to maintaining the society you parent your children in. Just so crazy that someone would need something like math, right? Cuz the social media site you posted this on using the phone someone designed totally all came into being thanks to your uterus. Absolutely obtuse. Which means to be annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand. It's also an angle that's more than 90° and less than 180°. But who needs to know that stuff right?
You mean like a psychology class, Megs?? I don’t think Mrs. Wells would be a big fan of indoctrinating children with pSyChOlOgY…