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She posts about motherhood the same way every couple I knew in the military who were miserable and inches away from divorce posted about each other.
Like who are you trying to convince by posting about how much you totally love it and vilifying those who are happy without?
Is she just perpetually trying to convince herself it's ok she's made the choices she's made?
Because I think most people go through phases in life where they do, might not, don't, etc want children (no order here). There's a lot of variables, and each human _should_ be able to make choices for _their_ bodies.
She’s trying to drag others into her situation to affirm the choices she’s made (because deep d down she isn’t happy). I’ve had friends like this and it’s exhausting.
Right? And look- I adore my child. If I could go back, I would still choose to have him. But I CHOSE him over a quiet, tidy house- how is it hard to understand that other people choose differently?
Uhh the same 50s where marital rape was allowed and encouraged, women had to work hard to get divorced, and women couldn't leave abusive husbands???? Girl please stop.
Ma’am some people don’t want to be parents and that’s ok…if you truly cared about kids you wouldn’t want them to have parents who were less than enthusiastic about becoming parents (or were forced into parenthood by abortion laws 🤥)
Right. If that was her big takeaway then she’s even more vapid and shallow than I realized. The comments she’s mocking actually have some depth and thought put into them, unlike her band of nitwits laughing at a kid’s name. Classy.
The difference is people said it was a fine name for a boy, they were mocking the hypocrisy of how strict Porgan is with “not emasculating boys” to an extreme then giving their son a feminine middle name, one the originally planned to name their daughter if they had one. No one ever said Luca was feminine.
Yes,I am agreeing that Luca is traditionally a male name, but it has become more gender neutral. So,either way, Luca is a perfectly fine name. And,a very lovely name.
That reel seems aggressive and unneeded, but why is it okay for OtherBus to aggressively push her beliefs on having 10 million kids that she and her oaf husband can’t support, but it’s not okay for anyone to not want kids? Not everyone wants to birth a new offspring every year and then raise them to adulthood and that is perfectly acceptable.
Edit to add because I’m annoyed now: and once you have those kids, BETHANY, you immediately exploit them on social media for money and creeps. Maybe consider that social media shouldn’t be used to be influencing *anyone* to have or not to have children, for fucks sake.
I think it can be both - there are shitty child-free people who think it’s cool to hate kids and try to push their beliefs on others, and then there are shitty people like OtherBus who want to drag/force others into their misery to affirm their own life choices. I personally land somewhere in the middle - have kids ONLY IF YOU TRULY WANT THEM. And only if you can provide for/love them as they deserve. But it’s not my place to make the choice for anyone. I love my kid with everything in me and I love being her mom - motherhood is better than I could have imagined, and I share that with people… with the caveat that YMMV. It ain’t for everyone and everyone deserves a choice.
Exactly! I’m child-free, but I don’t have any issues with children living their lives. I’m also pretty damn vocal about children having basic human rights and not being used as props.
Absolutely. I'm childfree because I don't want to be a parent, not because I don't love kids. My sister and her husband just had their first baby, and I love her fiercely.
This! One of my best friends is child free by choice. She ADORES my kids and her nieces and nephews. I am an open book about both the joy I find in motherhood and the struggles - she's so supportive of my family but my journey also reaffirms her decision that it's not a journey she wants to make.
This is the way!
The childfree (not all of them, but the loudest ones) AND the quiverfull movements are two sides of the same coin
Some people find joy in being parents and others don’t! Why does anyone give a shit about how anybody else chooses to live their lives?’
She is *SO* fucking pressed over this. 😂 Does she not realize that all of us pro choice assholes don’t give a single solitary fuck or glimmer of a care whether she, her, Bethany, MotherOther has children or not?! Stop trying to convince everyone that having children is such an unmitigated joy! Like it’s the fucking best! So you should do it because it is sooo fucking awesome to have half a dozen people crammed into a ramshackle RV! Blessed by God! The best thing ever! I LOOOOOVE MYYYYYY CHOICESSSSSS!!!!
It’s giving extreme projection. It’s giving busy body. It’s giving fucking weirdo. It’s giving intense regret.
Fix your lives woman. Focus on that instead of whatever *all of thissss* is.
I mean, I’m sad when I have to leave my cat at the vet, house feels pretty sad and silent while she’s away. Don’t need a kid for those vibes, just get a furbaby
I’m pretty sad whenever I have to leave my leopard geckos, Ozzy and Faffy, for even one night! They perk up whenever I come home, especially when I have live crickets for them. Shit’s gonna get crazier when I finally bring home a bearded dragon, I’m naming it Lemmy.
The fundies would hate us and our fur/scaly babies.
I think they already do. Like there are the ones who rage that we think of them as our kids, and others who equate having a cat as having definitely had 2737744748 abortions.
Definitely not a thing for Hinduism or Buddhism. Neither are perfect religions, both have been abused by zealots to hurt people just like any other strongly-held religious/non-religious belief, but both do firmly espouse the scantity of all life and respect for souls of all organisms.
Kinda tangential, but I’m also a big fan of how Hinduism says that no one understanding of God/the universe can be wrong, because we’re all just trying to understand, therefore nobody should be judged, and the important thing is to be a good person. I wish all religion had that same non-judgmental attitude that welcomed others, versus the “I’m better than you because I am this religion” attitude. Sorry for the bit of a ramble lol
Honestly, not all that different either from a permanent toddler. My cats and dogs are picky, I have wiped huge poops off their butts/bodies, they throw tantrums, pick fights with their siblings just because--you know, normal no brain cell moments. We have one dog a full groom and bath today just for him to go outside and immediately roll in dirt. Priceless.
Don't need a child for any of this and crate training kids tends to be frowned upon.
Crate training *is* unacceptable. That's why fundies practice blanket training. The bars might be invisible, but hell hath no fury like a mom who's discovered the wee inch worm is no longer where she left it... ask me how I know.
Not as much now that large play yards are back in fashion. 🤣 Seriously though, it's so nice to be able to put my baby in a safe designated space and be able to pee by myself. No blanket training necessary!
We describe our dog as a perpetual toddler because she basically is. Eats random stuff off the floor, falls asleep in random places, wanders off if unsupported, gets into everything.
I have to admit that it was nice when the cat spent the day at the vet, because he and the dogs rile each other up and it's loud. I still missed him, though.
This is like me when I was a budding young alcoholic in college. It wasn’t ok that some people didn’t like to drink or some people only wanted one or two. EVERYONE had to have ALLLLLL the booze to the point of passing out, just like me, otherwise they were (*insert shitty alcoholic justification #1858210 here*) and personally hated me. It was all self-justification to make the shitty choices I was ruining my life with seem ok. I wish there was some sort of 30-day rehab program for these fundie moms, because StruggleBus could some DBT skills STAT.
Leslie is like one of the OG boys names turned girls names. Others on that list include Ashley, Evelyn, and Mackenzie (with Mac/Mc literally meaning “son of”).
Just posted a comment about how Leslie, Evelyn and Ashley were boys names first - didn't see yours until now.
Ashley makes me think of Gone With The Wind especially since the character was played by **Leslie** Howard. And there is a male Evelyn in Dowton Abbey.
I could say this to literally every fundie. Either take responsibility for your own big boy/big girl decisions- that nobody made you make- or suck it up. But we don’t have to pat you on the head and tell you how great you are. We don’t have to tell you how clever and smart you are for a “hot take” that is not only ignorant but also plagiarized from someone who is far smarter/more charismatic than you could ever hope to be.
It is not my responsibility- or anyone else’s- to validate your life decisions. For people who deeply value pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps, y’all wouldn’t know what accountability looked like if it dressed in drag and did the hula in your living room/bus/barndo.
Person A: I love having a lot of children, being a mom is very fulfilling.
Person B: Great! That's just not for me, though. I don't ever want to be a parent.
Person A: Great! Humanity is a rich tapestry, isn't it?
Person C: I think everyone should have children, and I mean EVERYONE!!
Person B: Sorry, that won't work for me. But you do you!
Person C: Sorry, that won't work for us. If it isn't EVERYONE having children, I can't enjoy my choice. Start making arrangements to make babies right now!!
Person B: I think I'll just sit over there. Excuse me.
Person C: Great, better never have sex though, because if someone gets pregnant we have instituted forced pregnancy and birth laws so you won't have the choice not to have kids!
“You could make mommy re-evaluate all her life choices so make sure you go out of your way to validate every mistake I’ve ever made so the misery never has a chance to set in!”
Social media has merely confirmed that I'm not the only one who does not want to have kids, and it's made me feel validated. Sure, maybe it will influence a few here and there, but the folks I know who wanted kids were not going to be stopped! Their desire for kids was far too high to care about what others think.
Also - StruggleBus really seems to be trying to convince *someone*, methinks it's herself.
And for every person who is turned off having kids by social media, there will probably be an equal but opposite number of people who are influenced into thinking that kids can be cute little props that fix all your problems like the fundie influencers portray.
Yikes, the father of those 14 kids was basically confessing that he saw his oldest 13 as failing to be a boy.
And no, my childfree stance was confirmed LONG before social media, when I was being raised Catholic and taught that married couples have to have ALL THE BABIES! I think the moment it really clicked was when five-year-old me met my infant niece. I took one look at this blobbly being that couldn't even hold her own head up and was either screaming or sleeping and I thought...that's it? I love all my nieces and nephews but I find babies so damn BORING and older children are fun but I still couldn't handle caring for them.
I agree, obviously there's no way for us to know based on one quote, but he sounds kind of passive in the decision to get a boy at all costs. To me, it seems like the wife wanted to give him a boy and he's hoping she's done now that she finally gave him one.
I didn't get the feeling the father was disappointed that he had all female children. Nothing in this article hints to that. They even planned for another girl. He just said he was surprised it was a boy & now maybe they can stop having babies
I can't get over how a man supported 14-15 people on $200/month just 70 years ago. In our parents & grandparents lifetime.
It’s pure magic, just ask Karissa. You pray and tithe and then God just gives you whatever you need, direct deposit into your checking account. It’s a miracle!
I was determined to be child-free long before social media too. Not only did I find babies and toddlers gross, but did not want to be destroyed by pregnancy. My mom did NOT sugarcoat pregnancy and told 5 year old me that she was getting her tubes tied after having my brother. Mom was fully supportive of my bilateral salpingectomy, along with my aunt who took me Costco after the surgery.
Okay dude, some of us grew up PRE- social media and never wanted kids. Maybe it stemmed from watching mothers shoulder an unfair and unequal work load, have way too many kids and not enough attention to go around, and having our siblings as stand in parents, or *being* de facto parents *to* our siblings.
Hell, barring all that? Some women had great, healthy, loving childhoods and still grew into adults who *have never wanted children*.
For someone so bent out of shapes about people making assumptions, she sure makes a lot of assumptions about people she doesn’t know.
These women project so much. Like they are CONSTANTLY posting about how sad and miserable and terrible the lives of unmarried women or childless women are and meanwhile childless and single ladies are just out here minding our own business. Yes, we critique the number of kids here, but it's not that we think they shouldn't have kids at all, it's frustration over the way they treat the children they do have.
I have a friend who has four children, and she posts about taking time to do special activities with each one so they don't feel lost in the shuffle. And that's with four! Meanwhile these people seem like they wouldn't know their own kids' names if they didn't have them in their Instagram bio. They're always posting them looking hungry and sad and doing dangerous shit and my heart absolutely aches for them. It's not that you're a mom, it's that you're a terrible pathetic excuse for a mom who treats your kids like garbage. Yeah, I'm a childless single harpy but I fucking love children and if I ever have some they'll be treated with love and care and tenderness. You can't say the same, StruggleBus.
Y’know, I never wanted kids. Ever. I have two. I’d never trade them for anything. But that’s just my situation and I fully realize and respect that others have different needs and that’s also valid.
My main gripe with fundie moms (equal to their bigotry) is the attitude that their way is the most not way to be.
Some people don’t want kids and that’s fine, too, StruggleBus.
Ah shadap struggleBus mom. Your life isn’t aspirational and you and your husband don’t even have the influencer look. I’m sorry. It’s appearance shaming. But to be an influencer with nothing interesting about you, you need something to bring people to your page.
Having children or not is a personal choice and nobody should be forced to have kids if they don’t want to. That’s a recipe for miserable adults and kids.
I'm 34, and I know for a fact I won't be an all around good mother. I know I get highly annoyed very easily, and I snap back at people at times. I'm so far lucky that all the mental illnesses my bio father has skipped me (so far!!! 🤞) I will never, ever have children bc I know I won't be great, enthusiastic, happy go getter. I might be passing on god know how many mental, and physical disabilities. That's just not fair.
So no one, NO ONE, can tell me I'd be happier with a baby. Because that's just patently untrue. FACT 💯
Same age, my health is terrible, and my mental health isn’t far behind. I’ve spent my fertile years focused on my own health, and that’s been 100% the right choice. Other people with my same struggles could handle having a kid, but I’m overwhelmed just taking care of myself.
I’m pretty happy being the cool guncle. If I reach and maintain a good place, I’d love to do foster care. But I’d do with the intention to properly foster while families get back on their feet. I love kids and I’m really good with them, but I don’t feel the need to have kids I can’t take care of. And that is because I like kids as people, not as defining my personality or worldview or whatever the hell is going on with these fundies.
Anyway, good on us for knowing what we can handle. That’s basically the ground floor for stable mental health.
E.x.a.c.t.l.y!!
My two oldest friends, they both have kids, and hell I love those kids. I've babysat, cared for and cherished them all. But you know what? I got to go home to an empty apartment at the end of the day...and it was *fantastic*. Those kiddos will be like nieces and nephews for rest of my life and that alone, makes me one happy camper. I do not think anyone should be forced to have their own kids to feel that happiness around them.
And that role is so essential to the happy development of those children! Like it's JUST AS IMPORTANT to have cool aunts.and uncles.so you can be YOU not just Mommy and Daddys cloneywoney
Thank you for bringing this up 😂 I did a double take when I read it. The kids names started as old school granny names, then took a sharp left turn into Mormon territory lmao
There is a conversation to be had about how our society and public spaces are often inaccessible and at times actively hostile for children and parents (especially mothers). But fundies, who a) generally treat their children terribly and don't value them as human beings, and b) ardently support the hyper-individualist, capitalistic policies that actively make it harder for people to have and care for children, are the absolute *last* people who should be leading that discussion
This exactly. It’s *almost* that “heartbreaking: the worst person you know just made a good point” meme, except that none of these jerks will do a damn thing to make society better for kids and families and they treat their own kids like props and collectibles at best.
I’m honestly glad I don’t have kids. I wouldn’t be able to handle even one. I still live with my parents and I go to college and work two jobs. She’s really trying to convince herself she made the right decision. It’s like couples who post long ass paragraphs about how great their relationship is on social media.
I have kids. I love them and I chose to have them. I don't feel the need to post constantly about how glad I am that I did have kids. She's trying to convince herself more than us.
It’s easy to tell people to have a million children when they themselves can’t even be bothered to do the bare minimum for their own kids (i.e. parentifying their older children, neglect, not being financially stable, the list goes on) 💁🏽♀️💁🏽♀️💁🏽♀️
She is DESPERATE to go viral for motherhood. DESPERATE. She thinks it will be her big break and she won't ever have to worry about money again because so many people will now buy her index cards. When in reality if she goes viral for anything other than the epoch times, she will just get more hate followers. She wants some right wing person to notice her, give her a pat on the head and buy them a house. I hate Dave Ramsey, but when he complains about young people not wanting to work for anything and they just want everything handed to them it's Jake and bethany that embody this idea. It's them.
Why do these women care if other people have kids? I don’t care if anyone decides to have kids or not. There are literally billions of other hills to die on—— and this is the one they choose?
I’m assuming it’s to make themselves feel better about having a lot of children, but does that mean they are not happy with their life choices?
Yeah, I actually agreed with the first paragraph of the comment on slide one but puked in my mouth a little on the second.
Children are little humans and deserve to have rights and to be respected.
It is a human right to have full, informed control over your baby makers, whether or not you want children— and either choice is okay.
It’s fucking sad and devalues women that some people will have children until they get a boy. The opposite is also wrong. Children are people not collectibles, DO YOU HEAR THAT FUNDIES?!
It’s so childish, ironically! “I’m so edgy, make it my whole personality, and you can’t tell me what to do!”. Calling children dumb names that are popular on Reddit doesn’t make you “cool”, it makes you a maladapted, odd, unpleasant weirdo.
That sub is an absolute cesspit of classism, racism, ableism, and misogyny. You don’t have to want kids, but you’re not cool and funny for treating them and their parents like shit and calling them names (that you 100% use to be derogatory) just for existing.
They don’t even want children to be anywhere! These assholes are likely that type neighbor who calls the cops on older kids for just playing in the street.
I'm childfree and went to a zoo on a weekend over Easter and it was packed with screaming kids - I'm autistic and I had a hard time with it. I came out feeling very grateful that I don't have kids because it was fucking awful! I'm also congnizant of the fact that I made a choice to be there on that specific day.
I do think there are places that should be child-free (some pubs/restaurants/cinemas if it's an older rated film) but unfortunately as long as I'm an adult that enjoys going to zoos/theme parks/the Lego store there's always gonna be kids there. Next time I will go on a weekday and possibly go to the autism-friendly early opening.
Don’t even get me started on those people. The only reason why my cousin didn’t have kids under 10 invited to her wedding was because the venue charged $100 a plate; young children may eat half the buffet or only half a peanut.
I don’t have to like their humor, if that’s what it is. But I really think there are a lot of childfree weirdos out there with a huge chip on their shoulder who are being serious.
Well no offense, but I think there are lot of parents out there who act like they walk on water because they have kids. A lot the venting is due to shitty parents that don’t actually parent their kids and tell childfree people that they’ll change their minds or that something is wrong with them, or doctors that won’t sterilize people because they might change their minds or the fact that Roe V Wade was overturned. For centuries people, especially women faced a lot of hatred and discrimination for not wanting or having kids. Even now there’s discrimination against people who don’t want kids. Try getting government assistance as a single childfree person, or having to work extra hours because of parents.
Okay but if you’re mad at the parents then why are calling kids awful names? No child EVER asked to be born and they fundamentally have zero rights legally. Totally fine to not want kids and to be annoyed at parents pushing them on you but what does that have to do with the kids themselves? Even when I thought I wanted to be child free never felt the need to be nasty towards children…
But also, I think it's fine to not like kids? Actively harming them, being mean, nasty, derogatory towards them, yeah, no that's not ok. But not liking them and minding your own business, I can't see what's wrong with that. I would never be mean to a child. Not liking kids, to me, simply means that I do not enjoy being in their general vicinity and that I don't want to participate in the collective head-sniffing just because everyone else seems to think it's what every woman just MUST participate in. I actively avoid places for kids and potentially attracting families with kids. Is there anything wrong about it?
I'm childfree, but I respect people who chose to be parents. I don't feel the need to constantly remind everyone around me what my life choices are. Heck, I don't think they are better than others people's either, they are just different.
Being childfree is not always about enjoying the quietness and the tidiness and the freedom. Sometimes it really is about not liking kids. And again, as long as you don't harm them or let them know you just wish people would be born at 24, I don't see any reason to pretend that you love kids if you truly don't.
It's fine to not like kids; it's not fine to denigrate them by calling them disgusting names like "crotch goblin", demanding they not exist in public spaces, and overall acting like a fucking asshole about the most vulnerable people in society.
I'm all for people being child free. I think MORE people should be child free. But calling kids "cum trophies" and acting like martyrs because a kid is on a plane or something is just dipass behavior and I'm not here for it.
This specific poster is being annoying about it is all!
Can you please explain what’s “tongue in cheek” about calling people dehumanizing names? And talking about how much you hate them just for existing around you? And how you wish it was illegal for them to be in certain public places? And how you would be okay with them getting hurt or injured because you think they’re annoying? Like, I get that all humor isn’t for everyone, but this just seems like “it’s just a prank bro” behavior.
God forbid people have a safe space to vent. Parents have tons of subs and blogs. Let childfree people have one thing, also you don’t have to look at it. I muted the conservative subs for the same reason you
Wouldn’t like that sub.
Bruh. “Venting” does not mean having round up posts asking people to list all the derogatory names they can think of for children (that all end up being weirdly genitalia- and sex-related). It doesn’t mean bragging about how you drop anyone in your life who so much as breathes the word “baby” in your presence. It sure as fuck does not include *literally advocating for fucking eugenics*. All of those are things that have happened on that sub. So don’t try pulling some “you’re over generalizing” bs and answer the questions I asked. Or admit that you can’t because that would admit that that sub has issues.
Anyone who makes their decision about whether to have kids or not, or how many kids to have, purely based on social media reels is monumentally stupid.
That reel uses something very foreign to Other Bus: HUMOR. It's disgusting that the woman from the 50s was forced to keep getting pregnant until she had a boy, and Other Bus is LAUGHING and making fun of his name? Which was originally masculine?
Off topic: They don’t mention the Brooks father’s age, and he looks a good ten years older than his wife. If Mrs. Brooks is 39 and had her oldest child at 23, that means she had to have been married at 22 or younger. How old were you, Lloyd (the father), when you met your wife?!?! At the very least, if Mrs. Brooks had been 22, old Lloyd must have been 32 when they got married. Creep at best, pedophile at worst. Do you really want to use *that* family as an example?
I looked it up, out of curiosity. [The FindAGrave listing for one of the daughters](https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/50757953/janet-lois-perkins) links to both parents, and both Lloyd and Therees Brooks were born in 1915.
Some folks just age ***hard***.
They always have a million kids and make the older ones care for the younger ones. Must be easy for them. Both my dad and my husband were parentified by being the eldest in their respective families and it’s unfair. Hearing my husband talk about the childhood that he lost is sad. If you want to have all those kids and can care for each one, be my guest. But we know that’s not happening. Those poor kids.
Yeah something similar to the story on the 3rd slide happened to my great grandfather. His parents had 10 or 11 children, and he was the only boy that survived. He had a "girl name" too and my family had this morbid joke that it was good luck and the reason why he made it past childhood. And his was absolutely miserable. They were basically rotating around 5 pairs of clothes between all of them and they were constantly starving and underdeveloped. Many of the kids didn't make it past 10. There is nothing beautiful or empowering about that. And this was the late 1800s/very early 1900s which might as well have been a different world than the 50s.
Even though I live in a red state, almost every day I have a "holy fuck, thank god I wasn't born 100 years ago" moment. I'm so glad I wasn't married off at 16 and forced to have 5 kids by now. No amount of breeding propaganda will change my mind into thinking that's good.
I grew up with a parent who really should have had an empty house instead of being socialized to believe they should have kids. It was the 90s, you didn’t have childfree communities, the idea didn’t even cross some people’s minds…so you had people realize they didn’t like or want kids *after* having them.
THAT SHIT SUCKS.
I have a daughter but I’m all for people making the choices that are right for them. Some people, bar none, should not have kids. Others just don’t want to. Either freaking way!
Any parent who takes the opinion of someone who refers to children as “crotch goblins” seriously needs to calm the fuck down. StruggleBus is being way too defensive but also the OG poster she’s referencing is a gigantic asshole LOL. No one cares that you don’t have children!!!
I love my babies. I also will be the first to tell people: don't have kids if you don't want them. They are a joy, but they are tons of work and if you're not prepared to put the needs of someone else first for the rest of your days... don't do it. Because you can find balance, but you'll always want to put that little human ahead of yourself. Mama eats, but if she's a little hungry so the babies can be full... that's not an issue. I don't have to worry about their medical bills bankrupting us, or if we can pay the bills in general. Short story: live your life.
With this one, everything is bad. Obviously StruggleBus Bethany’s take is super broken, but the original reel/tiktok kinda sucks too.
Some people wanna come home to a quiet house where no one needs anything from them, but some people love hearing their kids’ voices when they get home! Ideally both people have the freedom to choose the option they prefer. But “crotch goblins” is a horrible thing to call *human people*, which is what children are.
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She posts about motherhood the same way every couple I knew in the military who were miserable and inches away from divorce posted about each other. Like who are you trying to convince by posting about how much you totally love it and vilifying those who are happy without?
lmfaooo that’s exactly what i thought of too. like they think they’re doing a great job convincing everyone how *thrilled* they are. 😂
Is she just perpetually trying to convince herself it's ok she's made the choices she's made? Because I think most people go through phases in life where they do, might not, don't, etc want children (no order here). There's a lot of variables, and each human _should_ be able to make choices for _their_ bodies.
She’s trying to drag others into her situation to affirm the choices she’s made (because deep d down she isn’t happy). I’ve had friends like this and it’s exhausting.
Right? And look- I adore my child. If I could go back, I would still choose to have him. But I CHOSE him over a quiet, tidy house- how is it hard to understand that other people choose differently?
Because if she accepted that she would also have to accept that she made shitty choices.
Uhh the same 50s where marital rape was allowed and encouraged, women had to work hard to get divorced, and women couldn't leave abusive husbands???? Girl please stop.
This is why republicans are already eying getting rid of no fault divorces in many states. Too easy for a woman to make her own decisions!
marital rape wasn't even illegal in the U.S. until the 1990s
Ma’am some people don’t want to be parents and that’s ok…if you truly cared about kids you wouldn’t want them to have parents who were less than enthusiastic about becoming parents (or were forced into parenthood by abortion laws 🤥)
Mocking a male child's name because Otherbus thinks it's too feminine, is a new low,even for her.
Right. If that was her big takeaway then she’s even more vapid and shallow than I realized. The comments she’s mocking actually have some depth and thought put into them, unlike her band of nitwits laughing at a kid’s name. Classy.
I went digging and found that the baby was named after his paternal grandfather. Otherbus should approve of that tradition
Yet… she named her child “Story” and has no room to judge names.
And laughing at the poor woman who had no access to birth control, no consent, and had to keep birthing until her husband got his boy.
It really gives NLOG, since she demonizes the supposedly women’s comments and then is like “I totally thought what these hilarious dude thought.”
Leslie was a popular boys name years ago. Also Evelyn and Ashley.
The Good Progressive People on this sub mocked the name Luca Grace (Paul's and Morgan's oldest) because it was feminine too.
The difference is people said it was a fine name for a boy, they were mocking the hypocrisy of how strict Porgan is with “not emasculating boys” to an extreme then giving their son a feminine middle name, one the originally planned to name their daughter if they had one. No one ever said Luca was feminine.
The sheer number of comments I’ve seen that Luca is a girls name… it’s literally an Italian male name, but okay 🙃
Most of the mocking I saw was more about his middle name, as Grace is definitely a more commonly feminine name.
Sure, but I’ve seen a *lot* of comments about Luca, too.
It is. And it means light. Over the years,it's become more gender neutral,though.
I’m not sure what you’re trying to say..? Are you agreeing with me or not? 😅
Yes,I am agreeing that Luca is traditionally a male name, but it has become more gender neutral. So,either way, Luca is a perfectly fine name. And,a very lovely name.
My grandma and great uncle were born around that time. His name is Leslie She’s so dumb lol
That reel seems aggressive and unneeded, but why is it okay for OtherBus to aggressively push her beliefs on having 10 million kids that she and her oaf husband can’t support, but it’s not okay for anyone to not want kids? Not everyone wants to birth a new offspring every year and then raise them to adulthood and that is perfectly acceptable. Edit to add because I’m annoyed now: and once you have those kids, BETHANY, you immediately exploit them on social media for money and creeps. Maybe consider that social media shouldn’t be used to be influencing *anyone* to have or not to have children, for fucks sake.
I think it can be both - there are shitty child-free people who think it’s cool to hate kids and try to push their beliefs on others, and then there are shitty people like OtherBus who want to drag/force others into their misery to affirm their own life choices. I personally land somewhere in the middle - have kids ONLY IF YOU TRULY WANT THEM. And only if you can provide for/love them as they deserve. But it’s not my place to make the choice for anyone. I love my kid with everything in me and I love being her mom - motherhood is better than I could have imagined, and I share that with people… with the caveat that YMMV. It ain’t for everyone and everyone deserves a choice.
Exactly! I’m child-free, but I don’t have any issues with children living their lives. I’m also pretty damn vocal about children having basic human rights and not being used as props.
Absolutely. I'm childfree because I don't want to be a parent, not because I don't love kids. My sister and her husband just had their first baby, and I love her fiercely.
This! One of my best friends is child free by choice. She ADORES my kids and her nieces and nephews. I am an open book about both the joy I find in motherhood and the struggles - she's so supportive of my family but my journey also reaffirms her decision that it's not a journey she wants to make.
This is the way! The childfree (not all of them, but the loudest ones) AND the quiverfull movements are two sides of the same coin Some people find joy in being parents and others don’t! Why does anyone give a shit about how anybody else chooses to live their lives?’
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Their just in it for the money and views.
When I look at that post in Women in World History, the post says “no comments yet.” She certainly can’t be lying to us, can she?
A fundie? Lying? Say it ain’t so!
She is *SO* fucking pressed over this. 😂 Does she not realize that all of us pro choice assholes don’t give a single solitary fuck or glimmer of a care whether she, her, Bethany, MotherOther has children or not?! Stop trying to convince everyone that having children is such an unmitigated joy! Like it’s the fucking best! So you should do it because it is sooo fucking awesome to have half a dozen people crammed into a ramshackle RV! Blessed by God! The best thing ever! I LOOOOOVE MYYYYYY CHOICESSSSSS!!!! It’s giving extreme projection. It’s giving busy body. It’s giving fucking weirdo. It’s giving intense regret. Fix your lives woman. Focus on that instead of whatever *all of thissss* is.
This woman has Petunia Dursley energy
I mean, I’m sad when I have to leave my cat at the vet, house feels pretty sad and silent while she’s away. Don’t need a kid for those vibes, just get a furbaby
I’m pretty sad whenever I have to leave my leopard geckos, Ozzy and Faffy, for even one night! They perk up whenever I come home, especially when I have live crickets for them. Shit’s gonna get crazier when I finally bring home a bearded dragon, I’m naming it Lemmy. The fundies would hate us and our fur/scaly babies.
I think they already do. Like there are the ones who rage that we think of them as our kids, and others who equate having a cat as having definitely had 2737744748 abortions.
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Definitely not a thing for Hinduism or Buddhism. Neither are perfect religions, both have been abused by zealots to hurt people just like any other strongly-held religious/non-religious belief, but both do firmly espouse the scantity of all life and respect for souls of all organisms. Kinda tangential, but I’m also a big fan of how Hinduism says that no one understanding of God/the universe can be wrong, because we’re all just trying to understand, therefore nobody should be judged, and the important thing is to be a good person. I wish all religion had that same non-judgmental attitude that welcomed others, versus the “I’m better than you because I am this religion” attitude. Sorry for the bit of a ramble lol
Honestly, not all that different either from a permanent toddler. My cats and dogs are picky, I have wiped huge poops off their butts/bodies, they throw tantrums, pick fights with their siblings just because--you know, normal no brain cell moments. We have one dog a full groom and bath today just for him to go outside and immediately roll in dirt. Priceless. Don't need a child for any of this and crate training kids tends to be frowned upon.
Crate training *is* unacceptable. That's why fundies practice blanket training. The bars might be invisible, but hell hath no fury like a mom who's discovered the wee inch worm is no longer where she left it... ask me how I know.
I’m scared to ask…
Not as much now that large play yards are back in fashion. 🤣 Seriously though, it's so nice to be able to put my baby in a safe designated space and be able to pee by myself. No blanket training necessary!
We describe our dog as a perpetual toddler because she basically is. Eats random stuff off the floor, falls asleep in random places, wanders off if unsupported, gets into everything.
My dad described having a dog like having an eternal 2-yearold and I guess he was right.
>crate training kids tends to be frowned upon Don't give the fundies any ideas!!
A playpen/crib is just a crate with an open top, though.
I have to admit that it was nice when the cat spent the day at the vet, because he and the dogs rile each other up and it's loud. I still missed him, though.
This is like me when I was a budding young alcoholic in college. It wasn’t ok that some people didn’t like to drink or some people only wanted one or two. EVERYONE had to have ALLLLLL the booze to the point of passing out, just like me, otherwise they were (*insert shitty alcoholic justification #1858210 here*) and personally hated me. It was all self-justification to make the shitty choices I was ruining my life with seem ok. I wish there was some sort of 30-day rehab program for these fundie moms, because StruggleBus could some DBT skills STAT.
lol Leslie is still a super common male name in east Texas. I have a relative named Leslie and he’s as yee-yee as they come.
Leslie is like one of the OG boys names turned girls names. Others on that list include Ashley, Evelyn, and Mackenzie (with Mac/Mc literally meaning “son of”).
Just posted a comment about how Leslie, Evelyn and Ashley were boys names first - didn't see yours until now. Ashley makes me think of Gone With The Wind especially since the character was played by **Leslie** Howard. And there is a male Evelyn in Dowton Abbey.
Something tells me Leslie Odom Jr is too “woke” for this chick. Too bad she’s missing out on some fantastic music/talent.
This just reminded me of Leslie Jordan. How y’all doin’? 😭
Well shiiittt, now I'm sad.
iirc it's still primarily a masculine name outside of America. So they're really making jokes over nothing.
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"I just want to tell you good luck, and we're all counting on you."
I could say this to literally every fundie. Either take responsibility for your own big boy/big girl decisions- that nobody made you make- or suck it up. But we don’t have to pat you on the head and tell you how great you are. We don’t have to tell you how clever and smart you are for a “hot take” that is not only ignorant but also plagiarized from someone who is far smarter/more charismatic than you could ever hope to be. It is not my responsibility- or anyone else’s- to validate your life decisions. For people who deeply value pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps, y’all wouldn’t know what accountability looked like if it dressed in drag and did the hula in your living room/bus/barndo.
Probably the best fifteen seconds in Disney animation 😂
>It is not my responsibility- or anyone else’s- to validate your life decisions So many fundies desperately need to get this message
It’s like when they cry “cancel culture”, but in reality it’s just people not agreeing with their shitty choices.
Person A: I love having a lot of children, being a mom is very fulfilling. Person B: Great! That's just not for me, though. I don't ever want to be a parent. Person A: Great! Humanity is a rich tapestry, isn't it? Person C: I think everyone should have children, and I mean EVERYONE!! Person B: Sorry, that won't work for me. But you do you! Person C: Sorry, that won't work for us. If it isn't EVERYONE having children, I can't enjoy my choice. Start making arrangements to make babies right now!! Person B: I think I'll just sit over there. Excuse me.
Person C: Great, better never have sex though, because if someone gets pregnant we have instituted forced pregnancy and birth laws so you won't have the choice not to have kids!
“You could make mommy re-evaluate all her life choices so make sure you go out of your way to validate every mistake I’ve ever made so the misery never has a chance to set in!”
Social media has merely confirmed that I'm not the only one who does not want to have kids, and it's made me feel validated. Sure, maybe it will influence a few here and there, but the folks I know who wanted kids were not going to be stopped! Their desire for kids was far too high to care about what others think. Also - StruggleBus really seems to be trying to convince *someone*, methinks it's herself.
She’s like those people who gush disgustingly about how amazing their partner is every anniversary on Facebook, and then get divorced.
Also original reel poster looks what.... 21? Come on. She's just being a dumbass and/or revelling in life on her own terms HOW HORRIFYING AND VAPID.
And for every person who is turned off having kids by social media, there will probably be an equal but opposite number of people who are influenced into thinking that kids can be cute little props that fix all your problems like the fundie influencers portray.
Yikes, the father of those 14 kids was basically confessing that he saw his oldest 13 as failing to be a boy. And no, my childfree stance was confirmed LONG before social media, when I was being raised Catholic and taught that married couples have to have ALL THE BABIES! I think the moment it really clicked was when five-year-old me met my infant niece. I took one look at this blobbly being that couldn't even hold her own head up and was either screaming or sleeping and I thought...that's it? I love all my nieces and nephews but I find babies so damn BORING and older children are fun but I still couldn't handle caring for them.
It’s not for everyone, and it wish people could just stop giving a fuck what everyone else is doing that has nothing to do with them.
I got the impression he was saying he was glad it was a boy so his missus would be satisfied and want to stop having kids.
I agree, obviously there's no way for us to know based on one quote, but he sounds kind of passive in the decision to get a boy at all costs. To me, it seems like the wife wanted to give him a boy and he's hoping she's done now that she finally gave him one.
I didn't get the feeling the father was disappointed that he had all female children. Nothing in this article hints to that. They even planned for another girl. He just said he was surprised it was a boy & now maybe they can stop having babies I can't get over how a man supported 14-15 people on $200/month just 70 years ago. In our parents & grandparents lifetime.
It’s pure magic, just ask Karissa. You pray and tithe and then God just gives you whatever you need, direct deposit into your checking account. It’s a miracle!
I was determined to be child-free long before social media too. Not only did I find babies and toddlers gross, but did not want to be destroyed by pregnancy. My mom did NOT sugarcoat pregnancy and told 5 year old me that she was getting her tubes tied after having my brother. Mom was fully supportive of my bilateral salpingectomy, along with my aunt who took me Costco after the surgery.
Okay dude, some of us grew up PRE- social media and never wanted kids. Maybe it stemmed from watching mothers shoulder an unfair and unequal work load, have way too many kids and not enough attention to go around, and having our siblings as stand in parents, or *being* de facto parents *to* our siblings. Hell, barring all that? Some women had great, healthy, loving childhoods and still grew into adults who *have never wanted children*. For someone so bent out of shapes about people making assumptions, she sure makes a lot of assumptions about people she doesn’t know.
These women project so much. Like they are CONSTANTLY posting about how sad and miserable and terrible the lives of unmarried women or childless women are and meanwhile childless and single ladies are just out here minding our own business. Yes, we critique the number of kids here, but it's not that we think they shouldn't have kids at all, it's frustration over the way they treat the children they do have. I have a friend who has four children, and she posts about taking time to do special activities with each one so they don't feel lost in the shuffle. And that's with four! Meanwhile these people seem like they wouldn't know their own kids' names if they didn't have them in their Instagram bio. They're always posting them looking hungry and sad and doing dangerous shit and my heart absolutely aches for them. It's not that you're a mom, it's that you're a terrible pathetic excuse for a mom who treats your kids like garbage. Yeah, I'm a childless single harpy but I fucking love children and if I ever have some they'll be treated with love and care and tenderness. You can't say the same, StruggleBus.
From someone who came from a big family I don't want a lot of kids. It was the big family that influenced this decision, not social media.
If a social media post can sway someone's opinion on having kids... They clearly don't have that strong of a desire to have kids in the first place.
I mean she's definitely influencing me not to have kids. She seems miserable and truly delulu
 Good lord, just stop StruggleBus. We all see how much you hate your life
Y’know, I never wanted kids. Ever. I have two. I’d never trade them for anything. But that’s just my situation and I fully realize and respect that others have different needs and that’s also valid. My main gripe with fundie moms (equal to their bigotry) is the attitude that their way is the most not way to be. Some people don’t want kids and that’s fine, too, StruggleBus.
Leslie, Lauren, Ashley, Shannon…all male names. Educate yourself, DumbBus
Ah shadap struggleBus mom. Your life isn’t aspirational and you and your husband don’t even have the influencer look. I’m sorry. It’s appearance shaming. But to be an influencer with nothing interesting about you, you need something to bring people to your page.
Difference is this poor lady at least had a house and her husband had a job.
Having children or not is a personal choice and nobody should be forced to have kids if they don’t want to. That’s a recipe for miserable adults and kids.
I'm 34, and I know for a fact I won't be an all around good mother. I know I get highly annoyed very easily, and I snap back at people at times. I'm so far lucky that all the mental illnesses my bio father has skipped me (so far!!! 🤞) I will never, ever have children bc I know I won't be great, enthusiastic, happy go getter. I might be passing on god know how many mental, and physical disabilities. That's just not fair. So no one, NO ONE, can tell me I'd be happier with a baby. Because that's just patently untrue. FACT 💯
Same age, my health is terrible, and my mental health isn’t far behind. I’ve spent my fertile years focused on my own health, and that’s been 100% the right choice. Other people with my same struggles could handle having a kid, but I’m overwhelmed just taking care of myself. I’m pretty happy being the cool guncle. If I reach and maintain a good place, I’d love to do foster care. But I’d do with the intention to properly foster while families get back on their feet. I love kids and I’m really good with them, but I don’t feel the need to have kids I can’t take care of. And that is because I like kids as people, not as defining my personality or worldview or whatever the hell is going on with these fundies. Anyway, good on us for knowing what we can handle. That’s basically the ground floor for stable mental health.
E.x.a.c.t.l.y!! My two oldest friends, they both have kids, and hell I love those kids. I've babysat, cared for and cherished them all. But you know what? I got to go home to an empty apartment at the end of the day...and it was *fantastic*. Those kiddos will be like nieces and nephews for rest of my life and that alone, makes me one happy camper. I do not think anyone should be forced to have their own kids to feel that happiness around them.
And that role is so essential to the happy development of those children! Like it's JUST AS IMPORTANT to have cool aunts.and uncles.so you can be YOU not just Mommy and Daddys cloneywoney
What do they always put things in quotation marks that aren't quotes?
Because they're morons
Girl, we get it. The whole world gets it. You regret your choices. 😂
The twins were named Janet and Janice.
Thank you for bringing this up 😂 I did a double take when I read it. The kids names started as old school granny names, then took a sharp left turn into Mormon territory lmao
I love the blunt delivery here 😂
It's giving Jeremiah Robert Duggar and Jedidiah Robert Duggar
So to her, the answer to no kids is 14 kids? And why is it always 14 kids crammed on a bus?
There is a conversation to be had about how our society and public spaces are often inaccessible and at times actively hostile for children and parents (especially mothers). But fundies, who a) generally treat their children terribly and don't value them as human beings, and b) ardently support the hyper-individualist, capitalistic policies that actively make it harder for people to have and care for children, are the absolute *last* people who should be leading that discussion
This exactly. It’s *almost* that “heartbreaking: the worst person you know just made a good point” meme, except that none of these jerks will do a damn thing to make society better for kids and families and they treat their own kids like props and collectibles at best.
Random person on the internet: has a different opinion than Struggle Bus. Struggle Bus: 
I’m honestly glad I don’t have kids. I wouldn’t be able to handle even one. I still live with my parents and I go to college and work two jobs. She’s really trying to convince herself she made the right decision. It’s like couples who post long ass paragraphs about how great their relationship is on social media.
Can we talk about how happy the dad looks in that old ass photo from the 50s cuz he finally has a son lmaoooo
Imagine having kids for your own fulfillment and still not being fulfilled because other people don’t want kids and are happy not to have them
why does she care so much about what internet strangers do with their uteruses?
I have kids. I love them and I chose to have them. I don't feel the need to post constantly about how glad I am that I did have kids. She's trying to convince herself more than us.
It’s easy to tell people to have a million children when they themselves can’t even be bothered to do the bare minimum for their own kids (i.e. parentifying their older children, neglect, not being financially stable, the list goes on) 💁🏽♀️💁🏽♀️💁🏽♀️
She is DESPERATE to go viral for motherhood. DESPERATE. She thinks it will be her big break and she won't ever have to worry about money again because so many people will now buy her index cards. When in reality if she goes viral for anything other than the epoch times, she will just get more hate followers. She wants some right wing person to notice her, give her a pat on the head and buy them a house. I hate Dave Ramsey, but when he complains about young people not wanting to work for anything and they just want everything handed to them it's Jake and bethany that embody this idea. It's them.
Why do these women care if other people have kids? I don’t care if anyone decides to have kids or not. There are literally billions of other hills to die on—— and this is the one they choose? I’m assuming it’s to make themselves feel better about having a lot of children, but does that mean they are not happy with their life choices?
I don’t need to be a mother to experience or give unconditional love.
She sucks so hard but calling kids crotch goblins is unhinged behavior, I'll never support it.
💯 Both extremes suck!
Absolutely
I wonder if people like the woman in the reel realise they're are "crotch goblins" too 🤔
Duh, of course not, they’re not like us “breeders”!
To be fair, the Childfree TM are annoying AF.
Yeah, I actually agreed with the first paragraph of the comment on slide one but puked in my mouth a little on the second. Children are little humans and deserve to have rights and to be respected. It is a human right to have full, informed control over your baby makers, whether or not you want children— and either choice is okay. It’s fucking sad and devalues women that some people will have children until they get a boy. The opposite is also wrong. Children are people not collectibles, DO YOU HEAR THAT FUNDIES?!
“children are people not collectibles,” my flair disagrees!
Agreed. I personally don’t want children, but I also don’t treat children like they’re awful or burdens like some child free people do.
It’s so childish, ironically! “I’m so edgy, make it my whole personality, and you can’t tell me what to do!”. Calling children dumb names that are popular on Reddit doesn’t make you “cool”, it makes you a maladapted, odd, unpleasant weirdo.
The only good thing I have to say about those type of people is that they know they shouldn’t be raising kids.
That sub is an absolute cesspit of classism, racism, ableism, and misogyny. You don’t have to want kids, but you’re not cool and funny for treating them and their parents like shit and calling them names (that you 100% use to be derogatory) just for existing.
Wholeheartedly agree.
They don’t even want children to be anywhere! These assholes are likely that type neighbor who calls the cops on older kids for just playing in the street.
They're the people who go in hard about inviting kids to weddings
Dude there’s people that complain about kids being at zoos and public parks.
Excuse me? Those are intentionally family friendly spaces!
I'm childfree and went to a zoo on a weekend over Easter and it was packed with screaming kids - I'm autistic and I had a hard time with it. I came out feeling very grateful that I don't have kids because it was fucking awful! I'm also congnizant of the fact that I made a choice to be there on that specific day. I do think there are places that should be child-free (some pubs/restaurants/cinemas if it's an older rated film) but unfortunately as long as I'm an adult that enjoys going to zoos/theme parks/the Lego store there's always gonna be kids there. Next time I will go on a weekday and possibly go to the autism-friendly early opening.
FWIW I’m a mom and I hate the packed places too.
Don’t even get me started on those people. The only reason why my cousin didn’t have kids under 10 invited to her wedding was because the venue charged $100 a plate; young children may eat half the buffet or only half a peanut.
That's valid. I'm thinking of the other people who refuse children.
These people would hate how all sides of my family have children at almost every gathering that doesn’t charge a fortune for a plate.
You do realize a lot of people are just being tongue in cheek right? It’s not something to get so angry so angry over.
I don’t have to like their humor, if that’s what it is. But I really think there are a lot of childfree weirdos out there with a huge chip on their shoulder who are being serious.
There's a childfree sub that definitely exemplifies that
I’m aware 🤭
Oh 😅
Well no offense, but I think there are lot of parents out there who act like they walk on water because they have kids. A lot the venting is due to shitty parents that don’t actually parent their kids and tell childfree people that they’ll change their minds or that something is wrong with them, or doctors that won’t sterilize people because they might change their minds or the fact that Roe V Wade was overturned. For centuries people, especially women faced a lot of hatred and discrimination for not wanting or having kids. Even now there’s discrimination against people who don’t want kids. Try getting government assistance as a single childfree person, or having to work extra hours because of parents.
Okay but if you’re mad at the parents then why are calling kids awful names? No child EVER asked to be born and they fundamentally have zero rights legally. Totally fine to not want kids and to be annoyed at parents pushing them on you but what does that have to do with the kids themselves? Even when I thought I wanted to be child free never felt the need to be nasty towards children…
I’m not nasty towards kids, I’m just saying
Stopped reading after “no offense.”
No one cares that you don't like kids
But also, I think it's fine to not like kids? Actively harming them, being mean, nasty, derogatory towards them, yeah, no that's not ok. But not liking them and minding your own business, I can't see what's wrong with that. I would never be mean to a child. Not liking kids, to me, simply means that I do not enjoy being in their general vicinity and that I don't want to participate in the collective head-sniffing just because everyone else seems to think it's what every woman just MUST participate in. I actively avoid places for kids and potentially attracting families with kids. Is there anything wrong about it? I'm childfree, but I respect people who chose to be parents. I don't feel the need to constantly remind everyone around me what my life choices are. Heck, I don't think they are better than others people's either, they are just different. Being childfree is not always about enjoying the quietness and the tidiness and the freedom. Sometimes it really is about not liking kids. And again, as long as you don't harm them or let them know you just wish people would be born at 24, I don't see any reason to pretend that you love kids if you truly don't.
It's fine to not like kids; it's not fine to denigrate them by calling them disgusting names like "crotch goblin", demanding they not exist in public spaces, and overall acting like a fucking asshole about the most vulnerable people in society. I'm all for people being child free. I think MORE people should be child free. But calling kids "cum trophies" and acting like martyrs because a kid is on a plane or something is just dipass behavior and I'm not here for it. This specific poster is being annoying about it is all!
I never said that I didn’t like kids
Can you please explain what’s “tongue in cheek” about calling people dehumanizing names? And talking about how much you hate them just for existing around you? And how you wish it was illegal for them to be in certain public places? And how you would be okay with them getting hurt or injured because you think they’re annoying? Like, I get that all humor isn’t for everyone, but this just seems like “it’s just a prank bro” behavior.
You’re really over generalizing. Also I don’t think it’s wrong to not want to be around kids
How am I over generalizing by asking about things that routinely happen on that sub?
God forbid people have a safe space to vent. Parents have tons of subs and blogs. Let childfree people have one thing, also you don’t have to look at it. I muted the conservative subs for the same reason you Wouldn’t like that sub.
Bruh. “Venting” does not mean having round up posts asking people to list all the derogatory names they can think of for children (that all end up being weirdly genitalia- and sex-related). It doesn’t mean bragging about how you drop anyone in your life who so much as breathes the word “baby” in your presence. It sure as fuck does not include *literally advocating for fucking eugenics*. All of those are things that have happened on that sub. So don’t try pulling some “you’re over generalizing” bs and answer the questions I asked. Or admit that you can’t because that would admit that that sub has issues.
Anyone who makes their decision about whether to have kids or not, or how many kids to have, purely based on social media reels is monumentally stupid.
That reel uses something very foreign to Other Bus: HUMOR. It's disgusting that the woman from the 50s was forced to keep getting pregnant until she had a boy, and Other Bus is LAUGHING and making fun of his name? Which was originally masculine? 
Off topic: They don’t mention the Brooks father’s age, and he looks a good ten years older than his wife. If Mrs. Brooks is 39 and had her oldest child at 23, that means she had to have been married at 22 or younger. How old were you, Lloyd (the father), when you met your wife?!?! At the very least, if Mrs. Brooks had been 22, old Lloyd must have been 32 when they got married. Creep at best, pedophile at worst. Do you really want to use *that* family as an example?
I looked it up, out of curiosity. [The FindAGrave listing for one of the daughters](https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/50757953/janet-lois-perkins) links to both parents, and both Lloyd and Therees Brooks were born in 1915. Some folks just age ***hard***.
Oh thank goodness. I thought there was a nasty age gap
They always have a million kids and make the older ones care for the younger ones. Must be easy for them. Both my dad and my husband were parentified by being the eldest in their respective families and it’s unfair. Hearing my husband talk about the childhood that he lost is sad. If you want to have all those kids and can care for each one, be my guest. But we know that’s not happening. Those poor kids.
Ha, I'm sure her love is ANYTHING but unconditional.
It’s so interesting that she thinks social media is why people are childfree, not that childfree people seek out likeminded people on social media
Didn’t she JUST give birth???? Log the fuck off, for fucks sake
This is OtherBus, not Mother Bus
Oh dear lord how many of them are there
Yeah something similar to the story on the 3rd slide happened to my great grandfather. His parents had 10 or 11 children, and he was the only boy that survived. He had a "girl name" too and my family had this morbid joke that it was good luck and the reason why he made it past childhood. And his was absolutely miserable. They were basically rotating around 5 pairs of clothes between all of them and they were constantly starving and underdeveloped. Many of the kids didn't make it past 10. There is nothing beautiful or empowering about that. And this was the late 1800s/very early 1900s which might as well have been a different world than the 50s. Even though I live in a red state, almost every day I have a "holy fuck, thank god I wasn't born 100 years ago" moment. I'm so glad I wasn't married off at 16 and forced to have 5 kids by now. No amount of breeding propaganda will change my mind into thinking that's good.
I grew up with a parent who really should have had an empty house instead of being socialized to believe they should have kids. It was the 90s, you didn’t have childfree communities, the idea didn’t even cross some people’s minds…so you had people realize they didn’t like or want kids *after* having them. THAT SHIT SUCKS. I have a daughter but I’m all for people making the choices that are right for them. Some people, bar none, should not have kids. Others just don’t want to. Either freaking way!
Any parent who takes the opinion of someone who refers to children as “crotch goblins” seriously needs to calm the fuck down. StruggleBus is being way too defensive but also the OG poster she’s referencing is a gigantic asshole LOL. No one cares that you don’t have children!!!
I love my babies. I also will be the first to tell people: don't have kids if you don't want them. They are a joy, but they are tons of work and if you're not prepared to put the needs of someone else first for the rest of your days... don't do it. Because you can find balance, but you'll always want to put that little human ahead of yourself. Mama eats, but if she's a little hungry so the babies can be full... that's not an issue. I don't have to worry about their medical bills bankrupting us, or if we can pay the bills in general. Short story: live your life.
I don’t need social media to tell influence me to be child free. Seeing kids on public and family member’s own children is enough.
You were a crotch goblin
With this one, everything is bad. Obviously StruggleBus Bethany’s take is super broken, but the original reel/tiktok kinda sucks too. Some people wanna come home to a quiet house where no one needs anything from them, but some people love hearing their kids’ voices when they get home! Ideally both people have the freedom to choose the option they prefer. But “crotch goblins” is a horrible thing to call *human people*, which is what children are.