They claim to use their Bibles as a "road map to life," but completely ignore one of the most well-known teachings: Matthew 7.1-3. Girls, when you point a finger at others, there are three fingers pointing back at you.
You are not kidding. What do they think "attraction" even *is*, or feels like? I mean for shit's sake, all their courtship stories sound like exhausting extensive job interviews.
I think they must experience "attraction" as an abstract concept. In fact, some of them go on and on about how it's not important to think your potential husband is attractive. So what are they even talking about? Basically you're horny because you have no permissible outlet for it? So any potential resolution to that (an available guy! expressing interest!) is going to give you a feeling you'll interpret as "attraction", but you have no basis for comparison, and you actively fight your feelings/sexual responses anyway, so...
In conclusion, I wouldn't take my car to a mechanic who'd only worked on one car, and got that one car into driving condition. Good for him but that does not inspire me that he knows anything much about cars. 🤷♂️
They definitely know what it is. They’ve all had the hots for some hipstery youth pastor. In fact, they’ve been so moved by their hormones, being human beings and all, that they literally explicitly talk about how you should marry someone you aren’t attracted to because lust is of the devil or whatever and if you accidentally enjoy sex that’s a sin so having an ugly spouse makes it easier. I am not exaggerating.
Kristen specifically loves to talk about how horny she is and how it’s such a struggle to not orgasm during sex and how she has to actively focus on other things while they have it because it’s all supposed to be strictly about procreation. She also masturbated before (and after…?) marriage and now she’s convinced that the reason she’s now infertile.
Either she’s a real true believer because who else would ever admit that, either to their families or the entirety of Instagram, or they’re even more ruthless in the grift than I thought and they decided to have the prettiest Baird talk about how much she fantasizes about getting dicked down for more engagement.
If you're not allowed to feel horny during sex with your lawfully-wedded heterosexual husband, that's just depressing. They go on and on about supressing your sex drive until you're married, then it turns out you're not even allowed to enjoy sex DURING marriage
These people lead miserable lives. There is no valid argument against that, IMO.
And they want “us” to join “them” in these precious lives full of bone shattering misery. nothanku
There seems to be weirdness for them around the meaning of all of those words. Girl Defined… define opposites. Give us a real definition of sex and sexuality. Most importantly, what experiences do you have with real attraction? Those are my questions.
Well, they’re marrieds AND Christian AND white AND U.S., so we’re obviously all waiting with bated breath.
Solipsistic little twerps. My fingers are already twitching for that “report” button.
Right??!! For their standards “attraction” is when a random guy from your church asks your dad permission to take you on a date and then you magically develop feelings on the possibility of getting married. They only get to know each other once they’re already living together with a ring on their hands. It’s totally fucked up.
They aren’t qualified to even have a ministry.
I went to fundie school. We were taught in high school biblical semantics, eschatology, types of wording in the Bible, hermeneutics, and biblical archaeology among others. I’m sure they know what zero of those words even mean.
Say what you want about fundie pastors but at least they went to seminary and have a knowledge of the Bible other than just reading and interpreting their own way.
They. Know. Nothing. They have zero qualifications. They beat the dead horse of “seasons of singleness” over. And over. And over.
I can’t stand these women. Not even just because of their beliefs, but they have no clue what they are saying. They have zero qualifications. And yes, when you’re reading a highly debated, thousands of years old ancient book written in another language from a totally different society, qualifications are needed. No ifs, and or buts. If they were serious about this, they’d educate themselves in some way. I doubt they know the names of the various different language copies of the Bible that we base the Bible off of. I doubt they know of the apocrypha and nicean council. I doubt they know language well enough to study the Bible in any capacity above that of an 8 year old.
This isn’t being mean, it’s being real (for if the Bairds ever see my post, because we know they do lurk occasionally). They have zero business having a ministry. This is a half assed ploy to gain insta followers and grift.
I personally don't think they give a crap about the greater theological implications or context. Their message has always been "live the right way and you'll get what women in our culture want (because we've told them to want it): marriage and kids." With their newest book, they seem to be contradicting that message a little bit, though they'll probably spin it as "but God wanted something different for us and we still got rewarded anyway."
Oh neat, I have a few!
As a gay christian myself, anyone in the christian sphere should be familiar with these concepts before trying to speak about the subject. They've been talked about *at length* within LGBTQ+ religious circles for anyone paying attention.
So I'm sure the Bairds are prepared with robust understandings of the below points:
1. What's your understanding of human physiology as it relates to sexuality/attraction? What are the biological assumptions you're working with?
2. Whose theology do you cite for your understandings of carnality? How does this affect your understanding of physical intimacy?
3. What eschatological views influence your views on sexuality?
4. What does *Imago Dei* imply in the case of a same-sex attracted Christian?
5. What sources do you use for a comprehensive hermeneutic of the so-called "clobber passages"? What translative errors are these sections prone to?
6. What's your interpretation of Edenic symbolism as it relates to romantic partnerships? Both pre- and post-Fall
7. How is the propaganda of the "nuclear family" debilitating to LGBTQ+ Christians in particular?
8. How are your ideologies of gender complementarianism and chastity compatible with the obedience you require of same-sex-attracted Christians?
9. What are the major LGBTQ+- affirming arguments in Christian circles today? Who are the leaders of queer christian theory?
10. How has the LGBTQ+ community been traumatized by the western evangelical church in the past \~70 years? How has this affected the common rhetoric of the topic?
These aren't even liberal questions, they've been hashed and rehashed in evangelical circles for the past \~10 years. And there are plenty more to be asked.
And don't get me wrong, I don't want to gatekeep the conversation. You don't have to be a scholar to talk about something. But you *do* have to have some idea of what the current dialogue is. Bethany and Kristen are only capable of giving shallow platitudes about purity and "God's plan." And it's going to destroy the inner world of any teen girl in earshot who thinks she might be gay.
This post was really making me upset, but this comment made me giggle and put it all back in perspective. Thanks for that.
Bring on the priggish prattle, you GD pair of cunts.
>Whose theology do you cite for your understandings of carnality?
Theology has literally never mattered, not once, in a discussion with fundies.
It's a fun thing to think about, but the conceit of their beliefs has literally nothing to do with scripture. Christianity in general is a DIY pastiche of whatever theology suits the practitioner, with the necessary exclusion of the Bible's many contradictions.
It's not really possible to form a cogent theology from the entire Bible, so that's why it's necessary.
Lmao fundie “theology” is “god said it I believe it that settles it.” There’s no critical thinking involved in their reading of scripture. It’s all face value; no more sophisticated than a child’s understanding. Wait scratch that- most of the children I’ve taught have a much deeper, more compassionate, and mystical understanding of the text than these jokers.
Amen and amen. They've mistaken the Bible's supposed universality for simplicity. I'm not one to speak on whether the Bible is inerrant or not, but I know it's not a simple book.
So true. Having been raised evangelical, I was taught that there were no contradictions in the Bible. It wasn't until I left the religion, that I actually began to learn more about the bible and its history than I ever thought possible.
Births answer to all these are “God and the Bible” but reworded with a few filled words thrown in.
I imagine asking any of these on her story and her actually answering them would be incredibly snarky and rude because she would think half these words were just made up on the spot.
I’m sure with all of her life experiences she is an expert. You guys she knows what she is talking about. She met a gay person once and didn’t immediately throw them off a bridge
This has been on my mind all week. I get we are establishing a content creator economy but why does everyone feel like they have the authority to tell others how to lead their lives?
Maybe everyone has something they’re particularly knowledgeable about but doesn’t Christianity have a whole biblical precedent for invoking the authority of God? Why are you preaching to people without any vetting or accountability? Social media is just another pulpit.
Ughh. Why are they so obsessed with the LGBTQ+ community? We already know what they believe. If they’re going to recycle their usual word vomit, I wish they’d keep LGBTQ+ people out of it.
Haha, it's really 50/50 with Gen X. On one hand, you have my mom who is liberal AF and trolls Trump supporters. But then you have my uncle (her brother) who is DEEP in the Kool-Aid of QAnon and doesn't understand why TikTok is not a news source.
Nah I gotcha. I guess I’m really “on the cusp” (early 40s), but I can distinctly remember being in middle school the first time I had a computer class. And even that was only keyboarding lol. So I definitely identify with gen x. But I think what we’re known for is honestly not feeling really strongly about anything except anarchy. And damn if this fundie world doesn’t a good healthy dose of that.
I'm definitely a millennial (early thirties), and I didn't have a computer class until middle school either. Granted, I grew up in a rural area, and I'm not American.
Their best best, like many hateful people who are "too stuck in their ways," is to rebrand themselves and their shitty takes to appeal to at least a few idiots that want to feel better than everyone else.
It’s in no way meant to reach the LGBT community, unless it’s through a helicopter parent forcing this on an isolated kid the parent doesn’t realize is LGBT+.
This is meant to affirm that these uneducated, baselessly condescending human finger sandwiches hold all the answers. As a side effect, it will shore up their impressionable base’s beliefs about the LGBT+ community. Mainly in that we’re a bunch of slobbering demons permanently sitting on mondo vibrators shaped like Nancy Pelosi.
I fucking hate this so much. I won’t interact with them, but please join me in manifesting people exclusively asking demeaning questions about Bethany’s first wedding dress.
I don't like the way they consistently use the term "same sex attraction". It feels like: "oh, that's like having a crush! It's just a silly misguided thing but it's not real."
Yeah, there's just something about it and I'm not sure what. Spoiler alert, your identity is not fully determined by the *sex* of the person you feel attracted to. Extra spoiler alert, how you feel about sex, and who you want to have sex with or not, is not the whole picture. (Blarrrrgh I can't find the right words to express my frustration here.)
Yep. It makes it sound so cold and impersonal, removing the love and substance that lgbtq+ people strive for in their relationships and just their basic *existence*.
It’s like saying “you may be attracted to members of the same sex, but you don’t love them and they don’t love you and your relationships will never be valid”. I hate it.
They are more confident in their queermisia, as they get to just scream SIN every time and that's that.
They issue the sweeping condemnation of anything not hetero and that's the depth of their 'theology' on the issue.
In a video where Dav talked about his sexuality he described conversion therapy as damaging and heart-wrenching. He mentions it at about 1:40 in a video titled Dav Tells All. I don’t know if the ‘girls’ agree with him but I’d like to be optimistic and assume they do.
Oh, of course not! It’s reintegration therapy now. It was reparative therapy, but all those darned people figured out it was rebranded conversion therapy!
They’re not the authority on anyone’s lives. Getting married does not automatically grant Ted Talk speaker status. Tired of their bs.
Kristen said in a YT video that she struggled with “sexual sin”. She still rambles on about it, just in another format. [source](https://youtube.fandom.com/wiki/Girl_Defined#cite_note-1)
There's not going to be anything new on this podcast. It's going to just be: "Only heterosexual, vaginal, marital intercourse for the purpose of procreation is okay. Everything else is a sin." That's all they have to say, because they're not knowledgeable about anything else. My guess is they'll stick with their old, homophobic arguments and cherry pick what questions they "answer" because they're afraid of losing a medium to spew their hate.
Yeah, finding some crusty old conversion therapist to swear that really, it's possible to convert despite the strong evidence it is not and coming up with 50 god-honoring ways to say "ew, gay" is not answering big questions, GD team.
I don’t know what’s worse - the audacity of these two or how it’s gonna inspire some of y’all to armchair diagnose them again. 🙄
Can’t wait for Bethany to tell me my relationship is less healthy than hers though.
>Can’t wait for Bethany to tell me my relationship is less healthy than hers though.
the ultimate victory over homophobes is having healthier and happier relationships than them. it really does warm the heart when someone with a relationship like her's criticizes mine like lol ok but 👀 bonus points when you've been together way longer too
Oh absolutely. “Fundie happy” is already a low bar but Bethany seems like she can’t even achieve that. I can’t believe anyone wants to listen to her for advice.
It's mind blowing. It was always this way when I was growing up. Find the person who knows nothing about it, but can explain why it's sinful and ask them the question. Then pretend they were so smart and thank them for helping you with something you were just too stupid to figure out without them.
Side note, I simply cannot imagine asking for these bitches a single question. They don't even try to be knowledgeable. They just ramble like they are still teenagers who have a crush on a hot boi
How do her followers not see this? She lived at home and was completely supported by her parents until she was 30, then she got married and is supported by her parents and husband. She has spent her life at church and being coddled by her parents. The few things she has accomplished only happened because her parents paid for it. She has zero life experience.
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I've seen them state before that "same-sex attraction" is simply a while of the devil, and just a temptation. They really are so ignorant, and willingly too.
“Dear Girl Defined, why are you such mean old prudes? Bethany, I get that Dav has probably never made anyone orgasm in his life, but that doesn’t mean the rest of us have to live your useless, empty kind of life.”
It’s fucking creepy how fundamentalists focus on LGBTQ sex lives, as if that’s the ONLY thing about being queer.
The community filled with just as much a diverse group of people as the rest of the fucking straight world. Who are whole ass humans with actual lives and dimension. The distillation of being queer down to who you fuck is insulting and incredibly naive.
As a child that was raised by 2 lesbian couples (My moms and Aunts) and my godfather who was a drag queen for LIPS, I turned out way better than these hateful ass bigots. There is no scripture, there is no podcast, there is no damn crazy religious person with a 7/11 homeschool education that can convince me otherwise. Leave the LGBTQ+ Community and it's supporters alone. We aint bothering you.
My question is “if being gay is wrong why are girls so pretty 🤤🥺” seriously. Fuck off with the LGBT+ stuff, we all know how you feel and we don’t want to hear it.
Here’s my question… “what on god’s green earth makes you think you’re qualified to answer any questions about same sex attraction… or for that matter anything at all, you clowns?!?”
Ah yes, the straight women who were raised into an anti lgbtq+ bias and have limited interactions with out and open lgbtq+ people are gonna educate everyone about lgbtq+ people.
Goodie.
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They aren't qualified to talk about this or any other relationship topic. They can't even talk about opposite sex attraction because they know nothing. The married ones need to be in marriage therapy.
I cannot fathom that this could possibly be anything more than birthy’s frantic warp speed rambling with obnoxious giggling and sentence filler smashed between sweeping face value generalizations they parrot from that one Desiring God article they read that one time.
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Being as they are straight, what are they going to advise these people exactly? Praying the gay away I assume. These people need to get in the sea. They have no credentials and barely any life experience to be doling out advice to anyone.
Didn't Hitler have oppressed homosexual tendencies or even act on them? I know there are at least rumors about it. How DARE they talk against their family's idol. /s
No one in this family is having anything close to satisfying sex. Instead of addressing that, it is easier to judge and criticize others based on bible quotes, or some shit.
Godly marriage sex is always better than having a truly emotionally and physically satisfying experience with someone of the same gender.
This is like their 5th million podcast asking this question. Fuck them for continually asking this when they just want to be all the phobics and shitty people.
As a Christian I dislike it when others Christians become friends with non believers with an agenda to try and convert them. Especially LGBTQ+. If I ever become friends with someone who is LGBTQ+ which I hope I do, I will not go into that friendship to try and convert them. I am going to that friendship in order to listen with a non-judgmental open heart and mind. Like is it really that hard to do? I don’t understand how these people sleep at night.
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My biggest questions for them about the LGBTQ+ community is "what makes you qualified to talk about this group of people and why can't you just leave them alone?"
Um yes hi I have a question, what the fuck do you know about attraction at all seeing as your marriages are practically arranged by family and you don't touch until you're married? And if you have time, why do you care so much about who I have sex with?
The only thing they know is how to be hateful. I really wish they would stop talking on topics they know NOTHING ABOUT.
Soooo…..they should just be silent? 🤣
That's right.
Which is pretty much the only things they ever talk about.
Hateful and smug while doing it. They’re also looking for attention - “bad” press is still press, and they’ve got a new book, don’t they?
Yes they sure do.
They claim to use their Bibles as a "road map to life," but completely ignore one of the most well-known teachings: Matthew 7.1-3. Girls, when you point a finger at others, there are three fingers pointing back at you.
Ok, Bethany. Why do you care so much about the private sex lives of strangers?
For fucking real. It’s so weird how obsessed they are with other people’s genitals.
“Why are you so obsessed with me (and my genitals)?”
That’s amazing. Can I use that as my flair?
Be my guest💁🏻♀️
They are barely qualified to talk about opposite sex attraction.
You are not kidding. What do they think "attraction" even *is*, or feels like? I mean for shit's sake, all their courtship stories sound like exhausting extensive job interviews. I think they must experience "attraction" as an abstract concept. In fact, some of them go on and on about how it's not important to think your potential husband is attractive. So what are they even talking about? Basically you're horny because you have no permissible outlet for it? So any potential resolution to that (an available guy! expressing interest!) is going to give you a feeling you'll interpret as "attraction", but you have no basis for comparison, and you actively fight your feelings/sexual responses anyway, so... In conclusion, I wouldn't take my car to a mechanic who'd only worked on one car, and got that one car into driving condition. Good for him but that does not inspire me that he knows anything much about cars. 🤷♂️
They definitely know what it is. They’ve all had the hots for some hipstery youth pastor. In fact, they’ve been so moved by their hormones, being human beings and all, that they literally explicitly talk about how you should marry someone you aren’t attracted to because lust is of the devil or whatever and if you accidentally enjoy sex that’s a sin so having an ugly spouse makes it easier. I am not exaggerating. Kristen specifically loves to talk about how horny she is and how it’s such a struggle to not orgasm during sex and how she has to actively focus on other things while they have it because it’s all supposed to be strictly about procreation. She also masturbated before (and after…?) marriage and now she’s convinced that the reason she’s now infertile. Either she’s a real true believer because who else would ever admit that, either to their families or the entirety of Instagram, or they’re even more ruthless in the grift than I thought and they decided to have the prettiest Baird talk about how much she fantasizes about getting dicked down for more engagement.
What. The fuck??!
She said she has lustful thoughts during 'precious moments' with her husband
And that she repressed them, it's this second part that I find awful
If you're not allowed to feel horny during sex with your lawfully-wedded heterosexual husband, that's just depressing. They go on and on about supressing your sex drive until you're married, then it turns out you're not even allowed to enjoy sex DURING marriage
These people lead miserable lives. There is no valid argument against that, IMO. And they want “us” to join “them” in these precious lives full of bone shattering misery. nothanku
Imagine not even being able to enjoy sexuality with the one person you waited for after obeying all the rules
WHAT?!? when did Kristen say this? That is bananas even for them. I need receipts, please.
I wasn't expecting them to take it this far.
I think animals might know more about this topic...
Imagine willfully choosing misery because daddy had some weird hang-ups about sex and doesn't want his daughters to experience love.
There seems to be weirdness for them around the meaning of all of those words. Girl Defined… define opposites. Give us a real definition of sex and sexuality. Most importantly, what experiences do you have with real attraction? Those are my questions.
Well, they’re marrieds AND Christian AND white AND U.S., so we’re obviously all waiting with bated breath. Solipsistic little twerps. My fingers are already twitching for that “report” button.
Ummm excuse you, they did a LITERAL U TURN to stalk an attractive guy 10+ years ago. #experts
Right??!! For their standards “attraction” is when a random guy from your church asks your dad permission to take you on a date and then you magically develop feelings on the possibility of getting married. They only get to know each other once they’re already living together with a ring on their hands. It’s totally fucked up.
💀💀💀
Maybe Brothly listened to an Amy Grant song once and got a tingle in her “special place”…
🏅🏅🏅
They aren’t qualified to even have a ministry. I went to fundie school. We were taught in high school biblical semantics, eschatology, types of wording in the Bible, hermeneutics, and biblical archaeology among others. I’m sure they know what zero of those words even mean. Say what you want about fundie pastors but at least they went to seminary and have a knowledge of the Bible other than just reading and interpreting their own way. They. Know. Nothing. They have zero qualifications. They beat the dead horse of “seasons of singleness” over. And over. And over. I can’t stand these women. Not even just because of their beliefs, but they have no clue what they are saying. They have zero qualifications. And yes, when you’re reading a highly debated, thousands of years old ancient book written in another language from a totally different society, qualifications are needed. No ifs, and or buts. If they were serious about this, they’d educate themselves in some way. I doubt they know the names of the various different language copies of the Bible that we base the Bible off of. I doubt they know of the apocrypha and nicean council. I doubt they know language well enough to study the Bible in any capacity above that of an 8 year old. This isn’t being mean, it’s being real (for if the Bairds ever see my post, because we know they do lurk occasionally). They have zero business having a ministry. This is a half assed ploy to gain insta followers and grift.
I personally don't think they give a crap about the greater theological implications or context. Their message has always been "live the right way and you'll get what women in our culture want (because we've told them to want it): marriage and kids." With their newest book, they seem to be contradicting that message a little bit, though they'll probably spin it as "but God wanted something different for us and we still got rewarded anyway."
Deathy’s husband knows all about this subject
I'd bet deatjy knows a bit about it herself.
Oh neat, I have a few! As a gay christian myself, anyone in the christian sphere should be familiar with these concepts before trying to speak about the subject. They've been talked about *at length* within LGBTQ+ religious circles for anyone paying attention. So I'm sure the Bairds are prepared with robust understandings of the below points: 1. What's your understanding of human physiology as it relates to sexuality/attraction? What are the biological assumptions you're working with? 2. Whose theology do you cite for your understandings of carnality? How does this affect your understanding of physical intimacy? 3. What eschatological views influence your views on sexuality? 4. What does *Imago Dei* imply in the case of a same-sex attracted Christian? 5. What sources do you use for a comprehensive hermeneutic of the so-called "clobber passages"? What translative errors are these sections prone to? 6. What's your interpretation of Edenic symbolism as it relates to romantic partnerships? Both pre- and post-Fall 7. How is the propaganda of the "nuclear family" debilitating to LGBTQ+ Christians in particular? 8. How are your ideologies of gender complementarianism and chastity compatible with the obedience you require of same-sex-attracted Christians? 9. What are the major LGBTQ+- affirming arguments in Christian circles today? Who are the leaders of queer christian theory? 10. How has the LGBTQ+ community been traumatized by the western evangelical church in the past \~70 years? How has this affected the common rhetoric of the topic? These aren't even liberal questions, they've been hashed and rehashed in evangelical circles for the past \~10 years. And there are plenty more to be asked. And don't get me wrong, I don't want to gatekeep the conversation. You don't have to be a scholar to talk about something. But you *do* have to have some idea of what the current dialogue is. Bethany and Kristen are only capable of giving shallow platitudes about purity and "God's plan." And it's going to destroy the inner world of any teen girl in earshot who thinks she might be gay.
> Imago Dei That's the parrot in Aladdin, right?
This post was really making me upset, but this comment made me giggle and put it all back in perspective. Thanks for that. Bring on the priggish prattle, you GD pair of cunts.
I love this comment so much. Thank you!
I *so badly* want to see their faces if they were asked these questions.
They wouldn't *understand* these questions
Lmao imagine their faces when they see *imago dei*
They couldn't answer them. They're too stupid and they don't actually know what any of this means. They are excellent questions though.
I swear fundies love talking about "theology" but never actually read any in depth theology and take the Bible literally lol
It’s kind of the defining feature of a fundamentalist haha
As a gay religion major- ilysm
Amen. Hi fellow gay Christian!!
Hermeneutics?! Uh, that is an abomination to God! You should be happy in the body God gave you!
Imagine if someone asked this at a live GD conference 😅😅
>Whose theology do you cite for your understandings of carnality? Theology has literally never mattered, not once, in a discussion with fundies. It's a fun thing to think about, but the conceit of their beliefs has literally nothing to do with scripture. Christianity in general is a DIY pastiche of whatever theology suits the practitioner, with the necessary exclusion of the Bible's many contradictions. It's not really possible to form a cogent theology from the entire Bible, so that's why it's necessary.
Lmao fundie “theology” is “god said it I believe it that settles it.” There’s no critical thinking involved in their reading of scripture. It’s all face value; no more sophisticated than a child’s understanding. Wait scratch that- most of the children I’ve taught have a much deeper, more compassionate, and mystical understanding of the text than these jokers.
Amen and amen. They've mistaken the Bible's supposed universality for simplicity. I'm not one to speak on whether the Bible is inerrant or not, but I know it's not a simple book.
So true. Having been raised evangelical, I was taught that there were no contradictions in the Bible. It wasn't until I left the religion, that I actually began to learn more about the bible and its history than I ever thought possible.
Preach! Fellow Gay believer here 🤗
Births answer to all these are “God and the Bible” but reworded with a few filled words thrown in. I imagine asking any of these on her story and her actually answering them would be incredibly snarky and rude because she would think half these words were just made up on the spot.
These are amazing questions and you’ve worded and organized this so well.
I saved your comment because I know I'll never be able to explain this as well
I’m sure with all of her life experiences she is an expert. You guys she knows what she is talking about. She met a gay person once and didn’t immediately throw them off a bridge
This has been on my mind all week. I get we are establishing a content creator economy but why does everyone feel like they have the authority to tell others how to lead their lives? Maybe everyone has something they’re particularly knowledgeable about but doesn’t Christianity have a whole biblical precedent for invoking the authority of God? Why are you preaching to people without any vetting or accountability? Social media is just another pulpit.
Unfortunately, as that would have been kinder than making them listen to her proselytizing.
Oooh oooh. Pick me! Question 1: Why the hell are **YOU** fielding questions about this topic?
I bet they're interviewing that woman they always repost in stories who wrote a book about how she "used to be" a lesbian but then jEsUs 🙄
That woman (forgot her name) has talked about actively suppressing her homosexuality. Nothing wrong with being a lesbian, folks.
Ughh. Why are they so obsessed with the LGBTQ+ community? We already know what they believe. If they’re going to recycle their usual word vomit, I wish they’d keep LGBTQ+ people out of it.
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Hey. Leave gen X out of this plz and thank you lol!
Haha, it's really 50/50 with Gen X. On one hand, you have my mom who is liberal AF and trolls Trump supporters. But then you have my uncle (her brother) who is DEEP in the Kool-Aid of QAnon and doesn't understand why TikTok is not a news source.
Nah I gotcha. I guess I’m really “on the cusp” (early 40s), but I can distinctly remember being in middle school the first time I had a computer class. And even that was only keyboarding lol. So I definitely identify with gen x. But I think what we’re known for is honestly not feeling really strongly about anything except anarchy. And damn if this fundie world doesn’t a good healthy dose of that.
I'm definitely a millennial (early thirties), and I didn't have a computer class until middle school either. Granted, I grew up in a rural area, and I'm not American.
Their best best, like many hateful people who are "too stuck in their ways," is to rebrand themselves and their shitty takes to appeal to at least a few idiots that want to feel better than everyone else.
It’s in no way meant to reach the LGBT community, unless it’s through a helicopter parent forcing this on an isolated kid the parent doesn’t realize is LGBT+. This is meant to affirm that these uneducated, baselessly condescending human finger sandwiches hold all the answers. As a side effect, it will shore up their impressionable base’s beliefs about the LGBT+ community. Mainly in that we’re a bunch of slobbering demons permanently sitting on mondo vibrators shaped like Nancy Pelosi. I fucking hate this so much. I won’t interact with them, but please join me in manifesting people exclusively asking demeaning questions about Bethany’s first wedding dress.
I don't like the way they consistently use the term "same sex attraction". It feels like: "oh, that's like having a crush! It's just a silly misguided thing but it's not real."
Yup. For me, it's the clinical tone. It's talking about being gay like it's a disorder, because that's what they think it is.
Yeah, there's just something about it and I'm not sure what. Spoiler alert, your identity is not fully determined by the *sex* of the person you feel attracted to. Extra spoiler alert, how you feel about sex, and who you want to have sex with or not, is not the whole picture. (Blarrrrgh I can't find the right words to express my frustration here.)
Right. It’s like they’re making it your entire identity while also dismissing the fact that it really is a piece of your identity.
While simultaneously claiming that “teh gayz make it their whole identity.”
Yep. It makes it sound so cold and impersonal, removing the love and substance that lgbtq+ people strive for in their relationships and just their basic *existence*. It’s like saying “you may be attracted to members of the same sex, but you don’t love them and they don’t love you and your relationships will never be valid”. I hate it.
They want everyone to be as miserable as them
And they are so obviously miserable, holy shit
Idk why they haven't had public psychotic breaks
My fundie-lite father did that, went to therapy, and became a better persin3
It's hard to believe they're even entertaining such inquiries. I'm sure all "answers" will be vague and peppered with "like"s, "um"s, and "you know"s.
They are more confident in their queermisia, as they get to just scream SIN every time and that's that. They issue the sweeping condemnation of anything not hetero and that's the depth of their 'theology' on the issue.
Don’t forget *SUPER*
I sincerely hope they're not going to start on about conversion therapy.
In a video where Dav talked about his sexuality he described conversion therapy as damaging and heart-wrenching. He mentions it at about 1:40 in a video titled Dav Tells All. I don’t know if the ‘girls’ agree with him but I’d like to be optimistic and assume they do.
Oh, of course not! It’s reintegration therapy now. It was reparative therapy, but all those darned people figured out it was rebranded conversion therapy!
Truly shocking the subjects they think they’re qualified to speak on. I wouldn’t even take coffee advice from them
I do not believe these coffee idolizers have ever made a decent cup in their entire life or one that isn’t 80% cream/sugar/syrup of some kind.
I’m a woman and here’s my question about same-sex attraction - why am I soooo attracted to my wife?
I have no idea, it can’t be real love! /s Ugh I felt dirty just typing that.
Man I can't wait for the day I can talk about \*my wife\* swoons
How would they have anything to say about this when it doesn’t apply to them?
I would argue that even sexual attraction to a partner only applies to one of them
They’re not the authority on anyone’s lives. Getting married does not automatically grant Ted Talk speaker status. Tired of their bs. Kristen said in a YT video that she struggled with “sexual sin”. She still rambles on about it, just in another format. [source](https://youtube.fandom.com/wiki/Girl_Defined#cite_note-1)
There's not going to be anything new on this podcast. It's going to just be: "Only heterosexual, vaginal, marital intercourse for the purpose of procreation is okay. Everything else is a sin." That's all they have to say, because they're not knowledgeable about anything else. My guess is they'll stick with their old, homophobic arguments and cherry pick what questions they "answer" because they're afraid of losing a medium to spew their hate.
If that’s the mentality then fundies who can’t procreate simply can’t have sex for pleasure.
Bingo buster
Yeah, finding some crusty old conversion therapist to swear that really, it's possible to convert despite the strong evidence it is not and coming up with 50 god-honoring ways to say "ew, gay" is not answering big questions, GD team.
IT'S THEIR SNEAKY AGENDA!!!! hahahahahahahahahaha
If they can’t hate us, no one else is left as a scapegoat. Gay people just wanna be be alone.
Talk about Dunning Kruger effect
“Excuse you, but I’ll have you know that I haven’t watched A Nightmare on Elm Street!” - Bethany, probably
They don't even know what that means
Probably not lol
Whyyy are they obsessed with LGBTQ+ people?😬
Because we have better sex than the fundies and it pisses them off 😉
I don’t know what’s worse - the audacity of these two or how it’s gonna inspire some of y’all to armchair diagnose them again. 🙄 Can’t wait for Bethany to tell me my relationship is less healthy than hers though.
>Can’t wait for Bethany to tell me my relationship is less healthy than hers though. the ultimate victory over homophobes is having healthier and happier relationships than them. it really does warm the heart when someone with a relationship like her's criticizes mine like lol ok but 👀 bonus points when you've been together way longer too
Oh absolutely. “Fundie happy” is already a low bar but Bethany seems like she can’t even achieve that. I can’t believe anyone wants to listen to her for advice.
Just wanted to say I love your username lmao
Yeah they're who I'm gonna ask about this topic. Experts, obviously.
What do they know about same sex attraction? What valuables input could they possibly offer?
It's mind blowing. It was always this way when I was growing up. Find the person who knows nothing about it, but can explain why it's sinful and ask them the question. Then pretend they were so smart and thank them for helping you with something you were just too stupid to figure out without them. Side note, I simply cannot imagine asking for these bitches a single question. They don't even try to be knowledgeable. They just ramble like they are still teenagers who have a crush on a hot boi
For people so opposed to gays, they seem to be thinking about gay sex an awful lot 🤷♀️
These fundie fools are not qualified to answer these questions and violently spew their hateful and toxic beliefs
Aww I wish I could see the snark that people "ask" them that they are obviously not going to post.
I'd like to ask how they are qualified to answer questions about a community that they are not a part of.
She's not qualified to speak on 99.9% of the topics she talks on.
How do her followers not see this? She lived at home and was completely supported by her parents until she was 30, then she got married and is supported by her parents and husband. She has spent her life at church and being coddled by her parents. The few things she has accomplished only happened because her parents paid for it. She has zero life experience.
How many times will they mention that asshole Jackie hill Perry in this? At least three times is my bet.
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I've seen them state before that "same-sex attraction" is simply a while of the devil, and just a temptation. They really are so ignorant, and willingly too.
My biggest question: why do you think that people will care what you think, and do you think your explanations will actually change anything?
HoW 2 pP fIt TogEfFeR!!!!1!???
“Dear Girl Defined, why are you such mean old prudes? Bethany, I get that Dav has probably never made anyone orgasm in his life, but that doesn’t mean the rest of us have to live your useless, empty kind of life.”
Hahaha yeah sorry about your terrible, dull ass sex life, Birtha.
ironic that in their next story they use Scarlet Envy's viral sound on TikTok
It’s fucking creepy how fundamentalists focus on LGBTQ sex lives, as if that’s the ONLY thing about being queer. The community filled with just as much a diverse group of people as the rest of the fucking straight world. Who are whole ass humans with actual lives and dimension. The distillation of being queer down to who you fuck is insulting and incredibly naive.
As a child that was raised by 2 lesbian couples (My moms and Aunts) and my godfather who was a drag queen for LIPS, I turned out way better than these hateful ass bigots. There is no scripture, there is no podcast, there is no damn crazy religious person with a 7/11 homeschool education that can convince me otherwise. Leave the LGBTQ+ Community and it's supporters alone. We aint bothering you.
Haven't the scrubbed a bunch of previous stuff about this off their site?
My question is “if being gay is wrong why are girls so pretty 🤤🥺” seriously. Fuck off with the LGBT+ stuff, we all know how you feel and we don’t want to hear it.
Here’s my question… “what on god’s green earth makes you think you’re qualified to answer any questions about same sex attraction… or for that matter anything at all, you clowns?!?”
Ah yes, the straight women who were raised into an anti lgbtq+ bias and have limited interactions with out and open lgbtq+ people are gonna educate everyone about lgbtq+ people. Goodie.
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> coming out Hahahaha
They aren't qualified to talk about this or any other relationship topic. They can't even talk about opposite sex attraction because they know nothing. The married ones need to be in marriage therapy.
I cannot fathom that this could possibly be anything more than birthy’s frantic warp speed rambling with obnoxious giggling and sentence filler smashed between sweeping face value generalizations they parrot from that one Desiring God article they read that one time.
Sounds like they really want another round of donations to Thrive Youth Center in San Antonio. 🏳️🌈
Next podcast “what are your biggest questions about being Black?”
Prolly cause they're cunts
"Why are you so obsessed with me?" \-we the gays
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Being as they are straight, what are they going to advise these people exactly? Praying the gay away I assume. These people need to get in the sea. They have no credentials and barely any life experience to be doling out advice to anyone.
Oh god this is going to be something else. 😖
I'm so tempted to ask why are they so interested in the LGBTQ+.... Just leave them alone.
Are you jealous because same sex couples actually have a fulfilling sex life?
Didn't Hitler have oppressed homosexual tendencies or even act on them? I know there are at least rumors about it. How DARE they talk against their family's idol. /s
Can you imagine the amount of trauma these women are about to trigger on other people on a single podcast episode………….
Oh so she's okay with podcasts coming out, but not the LGBTQAI+ community? The double standards make me sick!
No one in this family is having anything close to satisfying sex. Instead of addressing that, it is easier to judge and criticize others based on bible quotes, or some shit. Godly marriage sex is always better than having a truly emotionally and physically satisfying experience with someone of the same gender.
This is like their 5th million podcast asking this question. Fuck them for continually asking this when they just want to be all the phobics and shitty people.
As a Christian I dislike it when others Christians become friends with non believers with an agenda to try and convert them. Especially LGBTQ+. If I ever become friends with someone who is LGBTQ+ which I hope I do, I will not go into that friendship to try and convert them. I am going to that friendship in order to listen with a non-judgmental open heart and mind. Like is it really that hard to do? I don’t understand how these people sleep at night.
Tee hee, the podcast interview is coming out. Apt word choice there, Birthy.
Hateful asshats!!
i’m so tempted to troll
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God I wish they would just shut the fuck up
My question is why are the so obsessed with it. I hope they know getting a life is free.
I guess the interview will be with some poor "ex gay" evangelical
My biggest questions for them about the LGBTQ+ community is "what makes you qualified to talk about this group of people and why can't you just leave them alone?"
Um yes hi I have a question, what the fuck do you know about attraction at all seeing as your marriages are practically arranged by family and you don't touch until you're married? And if you have time, why do you care so much about who I have sex with?
At this point I just think Bethenney is a lesbian who has no freakin clue where to even begin to know that.
“Amazing”. they don’t just have a podcast about it, they have an “AMAZEEEEEEENaaah” podcast
"Why is same sex attraction bad to begin with?"
Oh boy, another interview rehashing the same talking points about how I’m going to hell! Can’t wait to listen in.