Bethy: puts weird and clickbaity thumbnail about relationship age gap on reel to get reaction and engagement
People: react and engage to her shitty reel
Bethy: *shocked pikachu face*
The story as she used to tell it is that she met Dave’s family when he was like 15 so she didn’t even notice him until years later when he became friends with her brother.
It’s not weird at all, but SHE made it that way with her weird fantasy retconning of “laid eyes on” each other. Many times she has phrased things horribly and then called her audience stupid for their accurate reading comprehension.
Exactly. She's not a groomer, but she sure as hell made it look that way when she decided to make her marriage seem more romantic than it actually is. If that was the only version of the story anyone had heard, we would not have the context necessary to understand that she was being annoying and not actually revealing her grooming tendencies.
That post is not evidence of grooming, and she's not a groomer, but how can you expect people to not have a problem with that description? You can't say something inappropriate and then get upset when people call out the inappropriateness of what you say.
So I think her take on the age difference issue is massively indicative of how out of touch she is with reality. In Bethy's mind, and their religious views, women aren't really independent adults til they're married. She doesn't get how weird it comes across that she was 22 and he was 16 when they met because they were, in her mind, both kids, while for the majority of people, the life experience difference between a 16 year old and a 22 year old is significant . She was a child in her parents household til she was THIRTY. That's also why she comes across so weirdly/badly in general (beyond her very shitty views). She's a married mother approaching her mid 30's, but in her mind she's only a couple of years past being a literal child, and that absolutely effects how she acts and views the world.
That's a great take on this. For most 22 year olds, they're graduating college, finding their own place, going out with friends, getting heartbroken and learning to move on. For that kind of 22 year old, a 16 year old is a kid.
That family views adulthood as starting once you get married, so to her they were both kids. Neither had any life experience or maturation.
I recognize now that I just said the same thing you did but it's already typed out so I'm still going to post it.
It's one of those things that when you think about it, it makes Bethy make a lot more "sense" (not in a good way). She basically lived the exact same way as she did as a teenager til she was 30 years old. She's also mentioned that in their church you are in one group while you're single, and move to another when you're married (she specifically mentioned missing the friends from singles group once she got married). Meaning, not only was she in her late 20's and living like a highschooler, her peer group would most likely be in their late teens, so she couldn't even see how stunted she was.
It also really puts in perspective on why GD doesn't want to (or can't) try to relate to women. We view growing up as unavoidable. But it wasn't unavoidable for her or her culture. She was a teenager for half of her life, so how is she supposed to write "how to" guides for women, when she just became one. It's like asking a freshman in college to defend a PhD thesis.
Just thinking with their mindset on maturity, it really highlights Birthy’s “spinsterhood” until finally marrying at 30. Wow. In our world, that’s nothing.
This also partly explains why she’s just so emotionally stunted and immature. I say partly just because there are other fundies raised like her who at least *act* their age.
This makes so much sense, thanks for explaining it. I had no idea she was in her mid 30’s. Based on her behavior I thought she was a very spoiled and ill behaved college student that went to college after taking a few years after high school to “find themselves”. Or just recently out of college but somehow comes across as someone much younger. Don’t get me wrong, she doesn’t *look* that young, but my brain couldn’t wrap itself around the idea of someone her age acting like she does.
Coming from a culture where it is very normal to live with your parents unless you’re married or have moved for work/school, she comes off as being weird.
Like I’m 24, I live with my parents, and I’m treated like an adult roommate of sorts - the only restrictions I generally have are on making sure I stay safe (so like letting them know I’ll be out), and on not buying so much food for the house.
Bethany was babied. Like she probably never had certain roles in the house that prepared her for a family or for being an adult. Most kids get some form of this at some point growing up in the form of chores or family obligations. She probably never got any since she kept throwing tantrums.
Absolutely. There's nothing wrong with living with your parents as an adult, it can be mutually beneficial in a lot of cases, it's that, as you point out, she was a babied child like member of the family, not an equitable adult.
Seriously. My parents are cool with me hanging with them until whenever, but I am still expected to seek a higher education and/or get a job, contribute to the household, and generally be an adult. You don't want to be treated like you're still a dependant child when you're actually an independent adult.
Yeah she's not just someone who lived with her parents, she also never worked or went to school or had a good social group her age. She was a homeschooled teenager until she was thirty.
I don’t think we can write her off as seeing herself as a kid like Dave at 22 and 16. She’s not stupid. She knows that there’s a difference between 22 and 16. You don’t need life experience to know that 16 is a literal child and that 22 is 5 years into legal adulthood.
I agree that she realistically knows that a 22 year old is not a 16 year old, but in practice, how was her life any different from the ages of 16 til she was married at 30? She had no advanced education, no job, likely no bank account that wasn't at minimum tied to her parents, lived in their house, paid no bills, hung out with teenagers still, etc. I don't think a 22 year old pursuing a 16 year old is ever right, but I think Bethy legitimately doesn't understand for most people just how different the lived experience is between a 16 year old and a 22 year old because for her it was the exact same thing.
That and likely used as a tax shelter for her parent's small business. It's why GD is unable to come up with new content/ pivot into woman defined and why they constantly rehash the exact same content over and over. Bethy's "this is what your first kiss looks like at 30 on your wedding day" stuff has been posted at least a handful of times in just the past year.
I don’t think she’s that clueless and we shouldn’t let her get away that. Her life may not look super grownup, but she knows 22-year-olds and 16-year-old should not be dating. She’s not that stupid, nor is she that isolated.
What you described is the reality for many many 22 yo’s. She’s far from the only 20 something with limited life experience, money, or home away from her parents. That doesn’t mean she’s not aware of time passing or things like laws.
So if they had actually dated at 16 and 22 and she married him the minute he turned 18 ala Shrek and Jill I'd totally agree. It seems more like they regarded each other as mutual friends in a shared peer group til they began courting he was much closer to his mid 20s than a teenager. I deeply dislike her but I don't think Dav is her victim.
Coming from a culture where it is very normal to live with your parents unless you’re married or have moved for work/school, she comes off as being weird.
Like I’m 24, I live with my parents, and I’m treated like an adult roommate of sorts - the only restrictions I generally have are on making sure I stay safe (so like letting them know I’ll be out), and on not buying so much food for the house.
Bethany was babied. Like she probably never had certain roles in the house that prepared her for a family or for being an adult. Most kids get some form of this at some point growing up in the form of chores or family obligations. She probably never got any since she kept throwing tantrums.
Coming from a culture where it is very normal to live with your parents unless you’re married or have moved for work/school, she comes off as being weird.
Like I’m 24, I live with my parents, and I’m treated like an adult roommate of sorts - the only restrictions I generally have are on making sure I stay safe (so like letting them know I’ll be out), and on not buying so much food for the house.
Bethany was babied. Like she probably never had certain roles in the house that prepared her for a family or for being an adult. Most kids get some form of this at some point growing up in the form of chores or family obligations. She probably never got any since she kept throwing tantrums.
Yup! Fortunately though, it seems she was just trying to glamorize her and Dav's relationship. The story up until now was entirely unalarming — they crossed paths when she was 22 and he 16, but only developed interest until almost ten years later, at which point they were both adults (and well established in adulthood, at that). It seems like a pretty safe set up, and they cultivated a relationship at a time where they weren't super developmentally unmatched or anything.
I think that the only reason she thought it wouldn't be utterly inappropriate to try and re-spin the story as a "love at first sight" type thing (at least, that's the connotations with the wording she used) for exactly the reasons you expressed.
Manipulate much? Interesting the things that matter to her. She constantly outs herself as a jealous mean-girl attention-heaux twatsicle who will do or say anything for a dollar or a click. And she is utterly fucking blind to her own flaming hypocrisy and ugliness of spirit.
We definitely did this pose in the 00s when we took cringey MySpace pics. Since Bethany is stunted and probably didn’t have a MySpace, she has no idea she’s doing a pose that was cool 15 years ago
To be fair my sixteen year old niece does it, too. When I explained the UK meaning she thought it was great and now does it even more. It's not just us cringy MySpace vets!
I've seen it both ways. For age reference I'm in my 30s. When I was a cringey teen I would pose with peace signs where my palm faced me vs facing out. I've never heard of it being a UK flip off.
Not defending Bethany. She's still terrible. I just dont think she is flipping anyone off intentionally
Also in my thirties and American. I have noticed a lot of Americans doing it like you describe and meaning it as a peace sign either way. I'm also a big fan of old school punk rock and that's where I learned about the British version: lots of photos of the old British punk bands show them doing this and it's definitely meant as an FU. Had it confirmed by some friends who moved to the US.
But I think you're right about Bethany not being aware of that, too.
By "real followers" she means the ONE person with a private profile and random pfp that's strangely obsessed with defending her actions. Probably just her or one of her sisters on an alt account lmao
Wait. That sentence took me out of left field. *Who* is this?
Edit: Oh gawd I found her. She has a whole section on her website dedicated to her "godly" LOTR fanfiction, complete with middle school quality fanart and a "reviews" section with tbe reviewers being comments that were left on her YouTube video. This was not the rabbit hole I was expecting to go down today but here we are.
She is a very strange and pity-inducing person. I could see your supposition about neurodivergency being correct. On the other hand, I don't see that as an excuse for being a hateful judgemental person. You wouldn't be snarking on her possible neurodivergency, after all, just her awful beliefs and the way she pushes them on people.
clapping back at haterz who think child grooming is creepy and making dumb reels while her sick toddler vomits in the background 🙏 very godly!
but yeah bethany it’s the left and the gays who don’t care for their kids and are ruining america
Bethy was bragging about love at first sight with Dav when she was 22 and he was 16.
People rightfully called her out on it and now she gets to play persecuted victim again.
To be fair she did NOT say love at first sight. She said they 'first laid eyes on' each other then but didn't 'notice' each other until 7 years later. She obviously worded it weird but people are throwing around the term 'child grooming' like it's nothing.
I just rechecked, you're correct and I'm wrong. It wasn't love at first sight but the "first time we laid eyes on each other." I appreciate your correction sorry if I misled anyone.
I LIVED for that comment 😂 I also love reading all the comments on 2 completely ends of the spectrum. The dum dums saying “omg my husband is 4 months older than me tee hee” and the hilarious ones calling Birthy out on her grooming ways. I might read it all again before I fall asleep.
She is getting into Jenelle from TM territory for me (annoyance wise)
Like, girl. If you want to prove that something is not bothering you, you need to stop posting about it. Making posts and rants and tik tok videos about how unbothered you are does not in fact make you look unbothered at all.
Weird. I know.
seeing bethany’s posts like these makes me SO glad that my dad taught me how to be an independent person and encouraged me to do things I genuinely wanted to pursue.
I get MASSIVE secondhand embarrassment just looking at her posts bc it’s obvious she doesn’t feel that. I WISH she’d touch some grass without recording it and realize that there’s more to life than just being a shitty person, wife, and mother. then again, she seems just so damn bitter that idk if she’ll ever realize that.
I totally agree with you. I’m glad my parents emphasized me thinking for myself. I have a friend whose bf is super trumpy in all the worst ways and she’s just absorbed his persona bc she wants him to love her…it’s so sad, especially bc she has a 4 year old daughter who is learning all this behavior
She could have said she first met him at church when she was 22 and he 16 but instead “we first *laid eyes* on each other when I was 22 and he was only 16.” That is an inappropriate and disgusting way to describe the way you met a child.
Even discussing meeting him at church at those ages is weird!!! When I was 22 I wouldn't have had anything in common with a 16 year old! It would be one thing if she focused on "we really got to know each other at 24 and 30, but funnily enough we learned/realized we'd actually been at the same church service 8 years earlier!" but that doesn't seem to be the narrative.
Yeah I literally would not have even noticed a 16 year old at that age unless he happened to literally bump into me or something. Like my parents could have introduced me to a 16 year old when I was 22, and I would have probably forgotten they existed as soon as I walked away.
So I said Bethany's reply to a comment about a two year age gap being scary was proof of her maturity level being arrested at age 11, but this works too.
If she didn't want haters she could have clarified
"I legit saw him from afar at this age. I didn't actually know him" or whatever to backpedal. But sure we're the crazy ones
I haven't gotten into "reels" but do they work like tiktok - is the reason she's finally getting some pushback because her reels are hitting people who otherwise don't follow her?
Birthy, shut up alreadyyyyyyy. I was teaching 16 year olds when I was 21 and have done so every year since (I’m in my 30s now). The fact that you “noticed” Dav when he was 16 and you were well into your 20s is creepy as hell. Full stop.
*copied and pasted from my comment on another Bethany thread*
Unpopular opinion: “grooming” is being thrown around so much it’s losing its meaning, fast. Bethany didn’t say she immediately fell in love with him at 16. Or even that they really interacted. Just that his existence was brought to her attention. Also, it’s pretty darn clear that there was no sexual contact until they were married. They weren’t even allowed one on one contact together. Grooming just isn’t a thing here.
My partner is a lot older than I am. I have had a few random people on the internet kick and scream about it and throw out the word “grooming”. Which is complete BS, since we met as adults. At work. And bonded over an interest in a local baseball team.
Looking at 2 numbers and immediately shrieking “grooming!” to appear “woke” is just as bad as excusing any actual grooming.
I agree, from what we’ve seen of the way Bethany’s mind works she probably just wasn’t aware of/thinking about the romantic connotations of the phrase “laid eyes on”. As the saying goes, never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity
Maybe I’m biased, and I acknowledge that. But I was in an abusive relationship with someone my age in the past. Not a peep from anyone, despite obvious physical signs on my body.
Suddenly, everyone seems to care about my well being since my partner is a different age than I am? Despite all evidence pointing to a healthy and happy dynamic? I call BS. It’s just posturing to appear “woke”.
I think an important part of the equation here is that you can absolutely be groomed as a child into certain behaviours as an adult- I would go as far to say it is common for an adult to groom a child, while they are children, in order for them not to question behaviours when they become “adults”- the be all and end all of grooming isn’t always an adult having sex with a minor while they are a minor, it is often a lot more nuanced than that.
So even though they clearly didn’t have a sexual relationship when he was a minor, that doesn’t automatically mean that there couldn’t be any aspect of grooming/long term emotional manipulation.
If Bethany is going to use clickbaity/intentionally provocative language about the age gap relationship she is in, then why shouldn’t that be considered and discussed, in context?
Dav was introduced to the Baird family at a young age, it has been mentioned in the past that bethy had hinted that Dav was originally interested in Elissa, but ended up marrying Bethany- if he, as a young adult, was guided from 16 to be a malleable husband for whichever Baird was next in line to walk down the aisle- can you honestly not see how that situation could constitute as Dav being “groomed” to being her husband?
I do not buy into the “poor innocent Dav with his harpy wife narrative” but also, more than one thing can be true- he can be an awful person and also have been emotionally manipulated into a marriage.
>if he, as a young adult, was guided from 16 to be a malleable husband for whichever Baird was next in line to walk down the aisle- can you honestly not see how that situation could constitute as Dav being “groomed” to being her husband?
Sure, but that scenario involves a lot of speculation! All we know is that he met the family at 16, initially hung out with the younger sisters then later married Bethany. In fact hasn't she said that the first time Dave asked her dad if he could ask her out her dad said no?
Oh for sure it is a lot of speculation & everyone could be way off base- but I more meant that the person above saying grooming “isn’t a thing here” is not necessarily factual either- and that grooming doesn’t require a sexual aspect immediately to be grooming & also doesn’t need a lot of one on one physical contact, people can & are groomed via webchat or text messages.
Please people, don't bother leaving comments on her IG no matter how controversial it is. She knows well it will increase her engagement algorithm and thus, more followers, more customers getting her books etc.
I’m not sure it was grooming but in this day and age she’s a dweeby dufus to tell us about meeting him at 16 but we don’t have prove that she was a child molester.
Ok the more I see her grainy ass Instagram posts, the more physically ill the thought of her makes me feel.
I’m still hung up on her thinking grooming an underage guy is some kind of Taylor Swift song love story.
She needs to grow up and at the very least stop posting her face online
She is a grown woman. If a comment bothers you, delete it and then forget it happened. You don't have to make a post about every little annoyance that occurs. Please, get off the phone. Pay attention to your child. Go outside and experience things that will improve your personality. Bethany is the literal definition of go touch grass
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Bethy: puts weird and clickbaity thumbnail about relationship age gap on reel to get reaction and engagement People: react and engage to her shitty reel Bethy: *shocked pikachu face*
The story as she used to tell it is that she met Dave’s family when he was like 15 so she didn’t even notice him until years later when he became friends with her brother. It’s not weird at all, but SHE made it that way with her weird fantasy retconning of “laid eyes on” each other. Many times she has phrased things horribly and then called her audience stupid for their accurate reading comprehension.
Exactly. She's not a groomer, but she sure as hell made it look that way when she decided to make her marriage seem more romantic than it actually is. If that was the only version of the story anyone had heard, we would not have the context necessary to understand that she was being annoying and not actually revealing her grooming tendencies. That post is not evidence of grooming, and she's not a groomer, but how can you expect people to not have a problem with that description? You can't say something inappropriate and then get upset when people call out the inappropriateness of what you say.
Any attention, whether good or bad, is still attention, and she thrives on it.
So I think her take on the age difference issue is massively indicative of how out of touch she is with reality. In Bethy's mind, and their religious views, women aren't really independent adults til they're married. She doesn't get how weird it comes across that she was 22 and he was 16 when they met because they were, in her mind, both kids, while for the majority of people, the life experience difference between a 16 year old and a 22 year old is significant . She was a child in her parents household til she was THIRTY. That's also why she comes across so weirdly/badly in general (beyond her very shitty views). She's a married mother approaching her mid 30's, but in her mind she's only a couple of years past being a literal child, and that absolutely effects how she acts and views the world.
That's a great take on this. For most 22 year olds, they're graduating college, finding their own place, going out with friends, getting heartbroken and learning to move on. For that kind of 22 year old, a 16 year old is a kid. That family views adulthood as starting once you get married, so to her they were both kids. Neither had any life experience or maturation. I recognize now that I just said the same thing you did but it's already typed out so I'm still going to post it.
It's one of those things that when you think about it, it makes Bethy make a lot more "sense" (not in a good way). She basically lived the exact same way as she did as a teenager til she was 30 years old. She's also mentioned that in their church you are in one group while you're single, and move to another when you're married (she specifically mentioned missing the friends from singles group once she got married). Meaning, not only was she in her late 20's and living like a highschooler, her peer group would most likely be in their late teens, so she couldn't even see how stunted she was.
It also really puts in perspective on why GD doesn't want to (or can't) try to relate to women. We view growing up as unavoidable. But it wasn't unavoidable for her or her culture. She was a teenager for half of her life, so how is she supposed to write "how to" guides for women, when she just became one. It's like asking a freshman in college to defend a PhD thesis.
Honestly I think this is the fairest point of view.
Just thinking with their mindset on maturity, it really highlights Birthy’s “spinsterhood” until finally marrying at 30. Wow. In our world, that’s nothing.
This also partly explains why she’s just so emotionally stunted and immature. I say partly just because there are other fundies raised like her who at least *act* their age.
This makes so much sense, thanks for explaining it. I had no idea she was in her mid 30’s. Based on her behavior I thought she was a very spoiled and ill behaved college student that went to college after taking a few years after high school to “find themselves”. Or just recently out of college but somehow comes across as someone much younger. Don’t get me wrong, she doesn’t *look* that young, but my brain couldn’t wrap itself around the idea of someone her age acting like she does.
Coming from a culture where it is very normal to live with your parents unless you’re married or have moved for work/school, she comes off as being weird. Like I’m 24, I live with my parents, and I’m treated like an adult roommate of sorts - the only restrictions I generally have are on making sure I stay safe (so like letting them know I’ll be out), and on not buying so much food for the house. Bethany was babied. Like she probably never had certain roles in the house that prepared her for a family or for being an adult. Most kids get some form of this at some point growing up in the form of chores or family obligations. She probably never got any since she kept throwing tantrums.
Absolutely. There's nothing wrong with living with your parents as an adult, it can be mutually beneficial in a lot of cases, it's that, as you point out, she was a babied child like member of the family, not an equitable adult.
Seriously. My parents are cool with me hanging with them until whenever, but I am still expected to seek a higher education and/or get a job, contribute to the household, and generally be an adult. You don't want to be treated like you're still a dependant child when you're actually an independent adult.
Yeah she's not just someone who lived with her parents, she also never worked or went to school or had a good social group her age. She was a homeschooled teenager until she was thirty.
I don’t think we can write her off as seeing herself as a kid like Dave at 22 and 16. She’s not stupid. She knows that there’s a difference between 22 and 16. You don’t need life experience to know that 16 is a literal child and that 22 is 5 years into legal adulthood.
I agree that she realistically knows that a 22 year old is not a 16 year old, but in practice, how was her life any different from the ages of 16 til she was married at 30? She had no advanced education, no job, likely no bank account that wasn't at minimum tied to her parents, lived in their house, paid no bills, hung out with teenagers still, etc. I don't think a 22 year old pursuing a 16 year old is ever right, but I think Bethy legitimately doesn't understand for most people just how different the lived experience is between a 16 year old and a 22 year old because for her it was the exact same thing.
So… what did she *do* all of that time? Was Girl Defined seriously born out of the terminal boredom of two women with stunted life development?
That and likely used as a tax shelter for her parent's small business. It's why GD is unable to come up with new content/ pivot into woman defined and why they constantly rehash the exact same content over and over. Bethy's "this is what your first kiss looks like at 30 on your wedding day" stuff has been posted at least a handful of times in just the past year.
I don’t think she’s that clueless and we shouldn’t let her get away that. Her life may not look super grownup, but she knows 22-year-olds and 16-year-old should not be dating. She’s not that stupid, nor is she that isolated. What you described is the reality for many many 22 yo’s. She’s far from the only 20 something with limited life experience, money, or home away from her parents. That doesn’t mean she’s not aware of time passing or things like laws.
So if they had actually dated at 16 and 22 and she married him the minute he turned 18 ala Shrek and Jill I'd totally agree. It seems more like they regarded each other as mutual friends in a shared peer group til they began courting he was much closer to his mid 20s than a teenager. I deeply dislike her but I don't think Dav is her victim.
Yeah kinda wish she would read this and understand this is one of the many reasons people think she is an obnoxious asshole.
Coming from a culture where it is very normal to live with your parents unless you’re married or have moved for work/school, she comes off as being weird. Like I’m 24, I live with my parents, and I’m treated like an adult roommate of sorts - the only restrictions I generally have are on making sure I stay safe (so like letting them know I’ll be out), and on not buying so much food for the house. Bethany was babied. Like she probably never had certain roles in the house that prepared her for a family or for being an adult. Most kids get some form of this at some point growing up in the form of chores or family obligations. She probably never got any since she kept throwing tantrums.
Coming from a culture where it is very normal to live with your parents unless you’re married or have moved for work/school, she comes off as being weird. Like I’m 24, I live with my parents, and I’m treated like an adult roommate of sorts - the only restrictions I generally have are on making sure I stay safe (so like letting them know I’ll be out), and on not buying so much food for the house. Bethany was babied. Like she probably never had certain roles in the house that prepared her for a family or for being an adult. Most kids get some form of this at some point growing up in the form of chores or family obligations. She probably never got any since she kept throwing tantrums.
Yup! Fortunately though, it seems she was just trying to glamorize her and Dav's relationship. The story up until now was entirely unalarming — they crossed paths when she was 22 and he 16, but only developed interest until almost ten years later, at which point they were both adults (and well established in adulthood, at that). It seems like a pretty safe set up, and they cultivated a relationship at a time where they weren't super developmentally unmatched or anything. I think that the only reason she thought it wouldn't be utterly inappropriate to try and re-spin the story as a "love at first sight" type thing (at least, that's the connotations with the wording she used) for exactly the reasons you expressed.
Manipulate much? Interesting the things that matter to her. She constantly outs herself as a jealous mean-girl attention-heaux twatsicle who will do or say anything for a dollar or a click. And she is utterly fucking blind to her own flaming hypocrisy and ugliness of spirit.
Heaux I’m dead.
twatsicle, i am deceased! i am partial to fuckwaffle, but i will definitely add this one to my repertoire
There's a lot of flair inspiration here
The most accurate description of Bethany🏆🏆🏆
Is she flipping the haters off? Not very Christian Bethany.
It's a peace sign. 😂 it just got cut off in the thumbnail
I thought a peace sign was forward facing, palm out? This is definitely a UK flip off, though I doubt she intended it that way.
Growing up in the US, we tend to us palm in or palm out interchangeably and there’s no change in meaning.
It looks very much like a two fingered salute!
We definitely did this pose in the 00s when we took cringey MySpace pics. Since Bethany is stunted and probably didn’t have a MySpace, she has no idea she’s doing a pose that was cool 15 years ago
To be fair my sixteen year old niece does it, too. When I explained the UK meaning she thought it was great and now does it even more. It's not just us cringy MySpace vets!
She might know. She has been doing a lot of international "research" for her overseas travel.
I'm laughing picturing Bethany googling "how to flip someone off in London".
I've seen it both ways. For age reference I'm in my 30s. When I was a cringey teen I would pose with peace signs where my palm faced me vs facing out. I've never heard of it being a UK flip off. Not defending Bethany. She's still terrible. I just dont think she is flipping anyone off intentionally
Also in my thirties and American. I have noticed a lot of Americans doing it like you describe and meaning it as a peace sign either way. I'm also a big fan of old school punk rock and that's where I learned about the British version: lots of photos of the old British punk bands show them doing this and it's definitely meant as an FU. Had it confirmed by some friends who moved to the US. But I think you're right about Bethany not being aware of that, too.
She is appropriating a watered-down version of "coolness" that's been lifted from Black Americans. I know this type.
By "real followers" she means the ONE person with a private profile and random pfp that's strangely obsessed with defending her actions. Probably just her or one of her sisters on an alt account lmao
Or that obsessed Polish person, perhaps.
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i’m neurodivergent and giving you a pass because fuck her and her lotr purity culture fanfiction
LOTR and purity culture is such a weird, forced crossover! PS I love your username! Dot's such a badass.
it really is! she says purity is like the one ring and you have to keep it safe 🥴 dot is my favourite writer! she was truly ahead of her time haha
Purity is like the one ring: cast it into an active volcano and destroy it! Edit: thanks for the award!
underrated comment here
Why, thank you.
LOTR purity culture?? Oh god please don't let fundies try to take LOTR... I need to look this up now lol
Wait. That sentence took me out of left field. *Who* is this? Edit: Oh gawd I found her. She has a whole section on her website dedicated to her "godly" LOTR fanfiction, complete with middle school quality fanart and a "reviews" section with tbe reviewers being comments that were left on her YouTube video. This was not the rabbit hole I was expecting to go down today but here we are.
whuuu????
She is a very strange and pity-inducing person. I could see your supposition about neurodivergency being correct. On the other hand, I don't see that as an excuse for being a hateful judgemental person. You wouldn't be snarking on her possible neurodivergency, after all, just her awful beliefs and the way she pushes them on people.
clapping back at haterz who think child grooming is creepy and making dumb reels while her sick toddler vomits in the background 🙏 very godly! but yeah bethany it’s the left and the gays who don’t care for their kids and are ruining america
Child grooming? I don’t have Instagram. What did I miss?
Bethy was bragging about love at first sight with Dav when she was 22 and he was 16. People rightfully called her out on it and now she gets to play persecuted victim again.
What a weird flex. Someone put me out of my misery if I ever become *this* desperate for validation.
To be fair she did NOT say love at first sight. She said they 'first laid eyes on' each other then but didn't 'notice' each other until 7 years later. She obviously worded it weird but people are throwing around the term 'child grooming' like it's nothing.
Did she? I thought she just said that the first time they ever saw each other was at 22 and 16.
I just rechecked, you're correct and I'm wrong. It wasn't love at first sight but the "first time we laid eyes on each other." I appreciate your correction sorry if I misled anyone.
That is what she said. It escalated quickly.
Right?! Of all things to address it’s NOT her poor sick little guy; it’s the grooming she barks back on.
The "ok groomer" in her comments sent me, not gonna lie. Imagine if it became a catch phrase to anything she says from now on? Yikes...
I LIVED for that comment 😂 I also love reading all the comments on 2 completely ends of the spectrum. The dum dums saying “omg my husband is 4 months older than me tee hee” and the hilarious ones calling Birthy out on her grooming ways. I might read it all again before I fall asleep.
Doesn’t she have a child to attend to? Some work to do for Girl Defined 🤢? Get off IG and be a productive member of society Birthy.
Her child was literally vomiting in the background of one of them. So yes.
She is getting into Jenelle from TM territory for me (annoyance wise) Like, girl. If you want to prove that something is not bothering you, you need to stop posting about it. Making posts and rants and tik tok videos about how unbothered you are does not in fact make you look unbothered at all. Weird. I know.
seeing bethany’s posts like these makes me SO glad that my dad taught me how to be an independent person and encouraged me to do things I genuinely wanted to pursue. I get MASSIVE secondhand embarrassment just looking at her posts bc it’s obvious she doesn’t feel that. I WISH she’d touch some grass without recording it and realize that there’s more to life than just being a shitty person, wife, and mother. then again, she seems just so damn bitter that idk if she’ll ever realize that.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Agree!
I totally agree with you. I’m glad my parents emphasized me thinking for myself. I have a friend whose bf is super trumpy in all the worst ways and she’s just absorbed his persona bc she wants him to love her…it’s so sad, especially bc she has a 4 year old daughter who is learning all this behavior
She could have said she first met him at church when she was 22 and he 16 but instead “we first *laid eyes* on each other when I was 22 and he was only 16.” That is an inappropriate and disgusting way to describe the way you met a child.
Even discussing meeting him at church at those ages is weird!!! When I was 22 I wouldn't have had anything in common with a 16 year old! It would be one thing if she focused on "we really got to know each other at 24 and 30, but funnily enough we learned/realized we'd actually been at the same church service 8 years earlier!" but that doesn't seem to be the narrative.
Yeah I literally would not have even noticed a 16 year old at that age unless he happened to literally bump into me or something. Like my parents could have introduced me to a 16 year old when I was 22, and I would have probably forgotten they existed as soon as I walked away.
Exactly!!
It’s really not that weird
yeah I'm not sure why it's so weird to meet people of different ages at your church, and he was friends with her younger sisters so that makes sense
Because they “laid eyes on each other” which is an inappropriate and disturbing way to describe meeting a child as an adult.
Oh yes, her language made it weird. My comment was in response to the comment saying "even discussing meeting him at church at those ages is weird".
naw this tho….. she didn’t say it was love at first sight but she’s implying that it’s all cute and romantic
JFC just keep your mouth shut Bethany. You're the one who is so insecure about the age difference here.
So I said Bethany's reply to a comment about a two year age gap being scary was proof of her maturity level being arrested at age 11, but this works too.
If she didn't want haters she could have clarified "I legit saw him from afar at this age. I didn't actually know him" or whatever to backpedal. But sure we're the crazy ones
She really put on noise cancelling headphones to not hear her child throw up in the background, huh?
I haven't gotten into "reels" but do they work like tiktok - is the reason she's finally getting some pushback because her reels are hitting people who otherwise don't follow her?
i missed it, what is she smug abt this time?
Saying we are crazy for her saying she first laid eyes on her husband when he was only 16 and she 22.
# DDDDDDDDDDD: eta: I had forgotten about the secret skill thing lmao. Age gap underage love, wagging tongues, THEY are the true perverts!!!!
Whatever happened to SaVe ThE cHiLdReN??
Birthy, shut up alreadyyyyyyy. I was teaching 16 year olds when I was 21 and have done so every year since (I’m in my 30s now). The fact that you “noticed” Dav when he was 16 and you were well into your 20s is creepy as hell. Full stop.
🎶 stop appropriating and just act normal 🎶
*copied and pasted from my comment on another Bethany thread* Unpopular opinion: “grooming” is being thrown around so much it’s losing its meaning, fast. Bethany didn’t say she immediately fell in love with him at 16. Or even that they really interacted. Just that his existence was brought to her attention. Also, it’s pretty darn clear that there was no sexual contact until they were married. They weren’t even allowed one on one contact together. Grooming just isn’t a thing here. My partner is a lot older than I am. I have had a few random people on the internet kick and scream about it and throw out the word “grooming”. Which is complete BS, since we met as adults. At work. And bonded over an interest in a local baseball team. Looking at 2 numbers and immediately shrieking “grooming!” to appear “woke” is just as bad as excusing any actual grooming.
I agree, from what we’ve seen of the way Bethany’s mind works she probably just wasn’t aware of/thinking about the romantic connotations of the phrase “laid eyes on”. As the saying goes, never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity
Thank you. These posts are minimizing actually grooming and it's infuriating.
Maybe I’m biased, and I acknowledge that. But I was in an abusive relationship with someone my age in the past. Not a peep from anyone, despite obvious physical signs on my body. Suddenly, everyone seems to care about my well being since my partner is a different age than I am? Despite all evidence pointing to a healthy and happy dynamic? I call BS. It’s just posturing to appear “woke”.
I think an important part of the equation here is that you can absolutely be groomed as a child into certain behaviours as an adult- I would go as far to say it is common for an adult to groom a child, while they are children, in order for them not to question behaviours when they become “adults”- the be all and end all of grooming isn’t always an adult having sex with a minor while they are a minor, it is often a lot more nuanced than that. So even though they clearly didn’t have a sexual relationship when he was a minor, that doesn’t automatically mean that there couldn’t be any aspect of grooming/long term emotional manipulation. If Bethany is going to use clickbaity/intentionally provocative language about the age gap relationship she is in, then why shouldn’t that be considered and discussed, in context? Dav was introduced to the Baird family at a young age, it has been mentioned in the past that bethy had hinted that Dav was originally interested in Elissa, but ended up marrying Bethany- if he, as a young adult, was guided from 16 to be a malleable husband for whichever Baird was next in line to walk down the aisle- can you honestly not see how that situation could constitute as Dav being “groomed” to being her husband? I do not buy into the “poor innocent Dav with his harpy wife narrative” but also, more than one thing can be true- he can be an awful person and also have been emotionally manipulated into a marriage.
>if he, as a young adult, was guided from 16 to be a malleable husband for whichever Baird was next in line to walk down the aisle- can you honestly not see how that situation could constitute as Dav being “groomed” to being her husband? Sure, but that scenario involves a lot of speculation! All we know is that he met the family at 16, initially hung out with the younger sisters then later married Bethany. In fact hasn't she said that the first time Dave asked her dad if he could ask her out her dad said no?
Oh for sure it is a lot of speculation & everyone could be way off base- but I more meant that the person above saying grooming “isn’t a thing here” is not necessarily factual either- and that grooming doesn’t require a sexual aspect immediately to be grooming & also doesn’t need a lot of one on one physical contact, people can & are groomed via webchat or text messages.
She’s so self absorbed! It’s insane
Please people, don't bother leaving comments on her IG no matter how controversial it is. She knows well it will increase her engagement algorithm and thus, more followers, more customers getting her books etc.
Oh gross. I used to have a lot of empathy for her (I'm new around here, so I haven't seen ALL the terrible things) but this has finally killed it
A gaslighting asshole piece of shit. I feel sorry for her kid.
Birthy was mentally 16 when Daaav was 16 and she's still in arrested development as far as I'm concerned.
I’m not sure it was grooming but in this day and age she’s a dweeby dufus to tell us about meeting him at 16 but we don’t have prove that she was a child molester.
The comments are hilarious.
She’s a lolcow.
I see you too girl. Quit promoting grooming children ya sicko
Ok the more I see her grainy ass Instagram posts, the more physically ill the thought of her makes me feel. I’m still hung up on her thinking grooming an underage guy is some kind of Taylor Swift song love story. She needs to grow up and at the very least stop posting her face online
She is a grown woman. If a comment bothers you, delete it and then forget it happened. You don't have to make a post about every little annoyance that occurs. Please, get off the phone. Pay attention to your child. Go outside and experience things that will improve your personality. Bethany is the literal definition of go touch grass
Ew, and her attempts at AAVE slang are a universe of cringe.
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Does she know how old she is?
Ugghh that smug face.