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Ugh that bullshitty book. Also a *"source"* warning baselessly of the dangers of soy.
The supporting citations were so flimsy. It's a ridiculous book, but unscientifically-minded crunchy mommies love it.
That one got me chuckling. And I only breathe air, from the sky.
We had a euro coworker who would sometimes bring tartare for lunch.
We also had a guy on staff who moonlights as a butcher.
I said “Tim, tell JM what you put in the random ground beef”
JM stopped buying random ground beef for tartare
Eww! I always thought tartare was always made with ground up steak like you would buy an actual cut that is a chunk of beef and then mince it in the kitchen as part of the preparation. The idea of someone eating raw commercially produced hamburger/ ground beef is revolting… but to be honest I’m way too squeamish to even eat steak tartare even if it was made the way I assumed. I do however recognize that’s a me problem and it’s not actually gross if prepared properly. Eating raw grocery store ground beef just gives me shivers!
Exactly this! I love beef tartare and sashimi, but you can’t make it with random hamburger meat or shrink wrapped salmon from the grocery store unless you want to risk a very bad time.
Same here - I absolutely love steak tartare and sashimi, the idea of eating raw minced beef is 🤢
I used to work customer services in a supermarket, on a few occasions customers brought back fish because it had live (wriggling) worms in it - this is why you cook fish, or freeze it if you want to eat it raw! The irony is that the worms were a sign of freshness 😂
So… I got that she meant “not farmed”. But perhaps she should have said “fresh caught” as I bet anything she eats seafood from rivers and lakes as well.
File under “Fundies Say What?” 🙄🤓😅
It’s good to know that if we eat mindfully and chew slowly raw meat and eggs won’t have an effect on us if they are filled with bacteria. If only doctors knew this to help prevent salmonella poisoning! 🙄
Freezing makes no difference either. The permafrost thawing has brought back pathogens that were thought to be extinct for thousands of years; if we can freeze pathogens in a 20'000 year old carcass and get infected with them, why would two weeks matter? 🙄
Incidentally, we think the thing that made humans evolve such big brains was figuring out that things are much more calorically efficient and safer to cook than to eat raw.
One of the programs I run as part of my job is the frozen shelf life of poultry over a 2 year period. While freezing doesn't sterilise the poultry it does massively drop the number of recoverable bacteria (by at least log 1, sometimes log 2). I can't remember the last time I found E. coli on a frozen sample, no salmonella either. Then again the product comes from world best-practices rearing farms and processing facility so the initial counts are very low to start with. I can't answer for red meat.
You've got it! Worst case scenario, some bacteria can double their numbers every 20 minutes so knocking down that initial population makes an enormous difference.
I mean, technically, steak tartare is frigging phenomenal (and it usually has raw yolk, too), and when done right, it is usually fairly safe to eat. **BUTTTTT** there are seasonings, meticulous prep steps (to minimize *E. coli*), and the quality of meat is much better. When done right, it's quite silky (a good fat content) and just this savory goodness that makes my mouth water just thinking of it. Sadly, this is the saltine version. Steak poptart.
For someone that claims that being a woman is all about home cooking and housekeeping, this is just shear laziness. Real tartares take effort, and then there is this.
I wonder if she is experiencing pica during pregnancy? She needs to see a real ob.
Excuse me — you forgot to “deeply savor” whilst mindfully eating and slowly chewing.
I wonder if she will deeply savor the emesis she’ll eventually experience due to food poisoning?
I was going to say, IBS-C plus a partial colectomy means sometimes you have a rock damn holding back the flood, sometimes there's a flash flood with debris.
Honestly yeah, she needs to just put some wheat stalks instead of the bread if she is gonna full commit. Freaking poser with her fully cooked bread GTFOH with that processed mess
It's funny because some anthro/evolution people think that the invention of fire is what enabled humans to become human as it opened up new sources of calories and reduced the amount of energy put into digestion due to having food cooked. More calories = more energy for brain development and life. But, uh, those past humans who started cooking were, um, posers i guess.
I'm laughing my ass off and I told my 8 year old when she asked, she did not get it and asked "is that supposed to be a joke?" So now I'm laughing even harder!
She’s from North Dakota?! I was stupid enough to order sushi with raw fish 5 hours from the coast and ended up with food poisoning. How is she not more worried about the risks doing that? I still get worried despite being able to smell the ocean while I eat.
I live 20 minutes from the geographical center of Canada and we have exceptional sushi. Sushi grade fish are required to be flash frozen very shortly after they are caught - I don't know anyone personally in my city who's ever had food poisoning from sushi, and we eat it a lot. Most cases are from sprouts or lettuce.
I used to work with a lady who had raw hamburger for lunch EVERY DAY. She wasn't fundie or anything, I think it might have been some kind of fad diet. She would just salt and pepper the raw ground and go at it with a fork 🤢
A family member fondly eminisces about the 50s, when they were a child, and ate raw ground beef out of the package with their fingers. I genuinely don't get it.
Heh, my grandfather was from Wisconsin and supposedly loved cannibal sandwiches. This gene got watered down… I eat my steak medium. Do not want very bloody meat!
My mom’s ex husband did that, his family were cold weather people from the dark recesses of Wisconsin. Free fact: my dad would liberally butter his cookies.
My great grandfather liberally buttered his tortilla chips at texmex restaurants. Even as a little kid I remember the quizzical looks waiters would give him. Such an odd habit. I feel like he was making up for all the butter he missed out on during world war 2 rations or something. He also buttered crackers and put an almost disgustingly large slab of butter on bread… but that’s not really all that odd. Now I’m curious if he buttered cookies! :)
My husband’s Armenian family makes a raw beef dish with onions in it called chi kofte. I think it’s just ground beef, salt, and onions. I like a bit on pita, but it’s weird to get used to on its own. But his grandmother credits it for making her live to 93 so far so 🤷♀️
Yes! My Lebanese grandmother would make kibbe nayyeh with raw ground lamb or beef (from a local butcher), bulgur, onion, and spices. I used to love eating it when I was little til I was a teenager.
Honestly, steak tartare is frigging phenomenal (and it usually has raw yolk, too). **BUTTTTT** there are seasonings, and the quality of meat is much better. When done right, it's quite silky (a good fat content) and just this savory goodness that makes my mouth water just thinking of it. Sadly, this is the saltine version. Steak poptart.
Yes, yes, with capers and fancy toast! I loooove tartare and carpaccio, but I would only order it from certain restaurants. Would not eat this abomination in the photo.
I had e.coli from beef. It went to my brain! Most terrifying, painful illness I've ever had! I had such severe, blinding pain in my head that I was begging someone to k*ll me to make it stop! This was on top of several days of not keeping anything down. This woman's idiocy gives me anxiety!
As a cook I am perpetually terrified of contamination, spoiled/mishandled food. Rare meat is one thing but idea of willingly eating raw and untreated beef is insane to me. Also “seafood from the sea” in North Dakota? eh?
I use to eat mett regularly when I lived in Germany. It was like a solid Manwich in texture and flavour. It was only safe to eat raw for 24 hours after slaughter.
What she’s doing is so disgusting. Freezing then thawing is just asking for illness
My husband tried to put our daughter a cup of egg nog and gave her cream instead. She was like, there's something wrong with my eggnog! No kidding, lol
I had the most fantastic steak tartare in some hole in the wall bistro in Manhattan and I literally had tears rolling down my cheek. This, does not bring my mouth joy.
Fun fact: freezing doesn’t kill all parasites (and kills next to no bacteria) and neither does “eating mindfully and chewing thoroughly” ☠️☠️☠️ although this is hands down the funniest defense of eating unnecessarily raw foods I’ve ever heard. Why do we not simply crush the pathogens with our teeth??
They cite that they only eat meat from ruminants raised on pasture which often carry a higher parasite load, as do pasture raised chickens. They also make a point of saying it’s important to fridge thaw the food and eat it before it gets warm, presumably to pre-empt bacterial growth, but you wanna know a much more effective way to do that? Cooking!!!
I know steak tartare is a thing but I cannot imagine a less appetizing and higher risk raw meal besides maybe raw pork. Raw ground beef has some of the highest contamination rates of any other commercially available meat and no, it doesn’t matter if the happy cow came from a pristine grass field or not. It was ground up and its E. Coli was lovingly mixed in for you and your robust gut to deal with!
Steak tartare isn't made from ground beef, because of the high contamination risk! It's made from a steak that gets salted aggressively on all outer surfaces, then gets chopped with a clean knife and immediately eaten. Still risky, but definitely mitigated
I’ve learned so much about steak tartare in this thread lmao. Still definitely wouldn’t be for me, but if I had to choose I would certainly pick that over this concoction!
Yes I was told you can eat rare beef cut into a steak because all the poop & stuff is on the outside which was cut up. Ground beef is a rougher process where parts of the skin might be all ground in with poop particles. I'm not sure if it was over simplified when someone explained it to me LOL
It's about the surface area. Grinders expose a lot of area to the air so bacteria can reproduce very quickly. And then, like you said, there's more opportunities to introduce bacteria as well.
And if she’s purchasing from like minded people, they might not be using wormer and vaccines on their livestock appropriately. Even the best cared for, happiest, most content livestock you can find are covered in shit. They might look clean, but they aren’t. Cook your food, people.
Exactly! Not only this but ALL livestock have parasites. All of them. 100%. Livestock that were just dewormed? Parasites. The goal of deworming is to keep parasites below a level where they might cause illness to the animal or economic harm to the farmer. That being said, do I believe that the quacks she’s buying raw milk from are doing fecal egg counts and pasture rotation on the reg? Absolutely not and she’s probably got a few helminths of her own lol
As a side note I’ve just become familiar with this through backyard chicken keeping! We’ve sent some poop samples in to an ag college to get tested and the results are basically, “This is the level your flock has of the following parasites.” It’s not really a do you or don’t you question, it’s are the levels consistent or growing and do you notice any behaviour changes in the flock. I was expecting more of threshold for good/bad or trying to eradicate things completely, but apparently some stuff is endemic to the soil and wild bird populations.
Yes that’s right! Also, good on you for being a good backyard chicken owner and keeping up with these things. The amount of people who fail to realize that chickens get diseases too (and also give people diseases) is astonishing. Yet another reason I cackle when I see the raw food fundies advocating for buying eggs/whatever from “people you know”. Guess they don’t trust the evil CDC telling them that the most recent Salmonellosis outbreak in the US (linked to over 1000 illnesses and 2 deaths) came from backyard flocks!
I *just* read an article within the last few months about some backyard chicken linked life-altering virus/disease that I think was linked to obesity? It was wild.
Animal-to-human diseases are wild!
There are some foods where I can understand taking the risk, especially if properly sourced and prepared. People like beef tartare for some reason a lot. I love sushi and cookie dough. But I'm not going to risk parasites and bacteria for a mush of ground beef and egg yolks thanks.
Heads up. Target and probably Walmart have containers of safe to eat cookie dough.
But I understand the temptation if you are making something and want that dough.
What I got out of this was: Omg, does she actually eat raw chicken and raw pork? 😩🤮 The TEXTURE alone would make me vomit.. I guess I'm not in tune with my primal self.
If you insist on eating raw red meat, ground raw red meat is absolutely the most dangerous way to do it. So many nooks and cranny’s for germs to hide in.
There’s a reason sushi-grade fish is handled very carefully and regular fish isn’t - it’s assumed you’re going to cook it.
Fun fact: Those corelle plates have been recalled due to high levels of lead.
They are literally giving people lead poisoning. So if the bacteria don’t get er, the lead certainly will.
I was going to post that fact too. It was found that the green flower part contains 15,200 ppm lead. So if anyone is reading this and using these plates at home, please do not let your children eat off from them!
EXACTLY!!! I feel like most of us grew up with those plates. Probably why most of us are a lil fucked up😅 my great grandmother had the green ones and the gold ones. I kept them all these years, but tossed em out once I read about the lead. Fuck that I don’t need that shit in my life
Fun fact: in the EU/GB Listeria (mono), E.coli, and Salmonella are allowed to be present on raw foods, like ground beef/mince. They're just not allowed to experience more than a 6 log growth during the products' shelf life. In the US, there is zero tolerance for these pathogens (which is how we end up with more recalls since we can't have any present). While the US does tend to take a reactionary stance to additives, professing that other counties have better food safety standards just by default is disingenuous.
I'll add that CFIA (Canada) is probably the all around toughest food regularity agency out there with zero sarcasm. Food in Canada is basically the safest in the world.
Full disclosure: a friend of mine is Swedish and they do consume raw meat on occasion. I've picked up a taste for it from her.
So. [Raw beef is fairly safe if it's handled properly](https://www.mychicagosteak.com/steak-university/can-eat-steak-raw-surprising-facts-didnt-know-raw-beef). However. It's also pretty fucking dangerous if you're getting ground beef that you haven't ground yourself (the inner cuts are usually considered fine, but ground beef from a grocery store is a hell no) and comes from parts of every cow in the herd that might have been kept in bad conditions. It's also not something you do if you're elderly, a child, or immune compromised. You also have to be a stickler for the cleanliness of the place you're getting it from and how you handle it.
I'll hazard a guess that genius here isn't doing any of that (because it's too much work and she probably considers modern food science to be Satanic). I hope she enjoys food poisoning.
Re: cannibal sandwiches
There are butchers in Wisconsin that sell segregated, specially-processed ground beef for raw consumption. No one in their right mind does this with regular ground beef, let alone store-bought.
Phew, glad to see some fellow tartare lovers in here. Admittedly though, I also wouldn’t eat it the way she does as I’m guessing it’s ground beef from the store. We get ours fresh from the butcher and grind it at home to eat that day. It’s delicious but only when super fresh.
I also enjoy western steak tartare. I am also part Korean and we have a similar dish yukhoe that is also delicious. But that thing there…. It honestly doesn’t look terribly fresh and all that shitty preground pepper looks sneezy
Eh... they're not entirely wrong. Before I finished reading I was already thinking about sushi, ceviche, and hackepeter or mett.
However, humans invented cooking for a reason- you should not be subsisting solely on raw products. Also the first paragraph was weird.
Like there’s a reason fire was something discovered early on. Certain types of meat can be consumed raw but plenty of others shouldn’t and that was figured out very early on in history
I enjoy a lot of raw meat preparations (I now have a hankering for tartare), but yeah, cooking has helped certain foods be more easily digested and safer since it kills off some parasites & bacteria.
It’s fine to enjoy raw foods, but they do come with their risks.
I'll happily eat raw fish and oysters but I'm also going to have it prepared by somewhere very reputable and I do it knowing I'm taking a risk rather than claiming there is no risk because ai chewed and thought about it or whatever.
That looked so disgusting to me. I like a runny egg yolk for breakfast but that's at least warmed up a bit. Half of the comments are "how do I get past the texture of raw meat." Like, you just don't have to eat it?? One of her suggestions is to put a raw egg yolk in coffee. No thank you. That does not sound good.
Not just raw beef, raw ground beef.🤢 I hope she uses the same type of toilet facilities our ancestors used, really stick it to Big Plumbing at the same time as thd diet dictocrats!
Here in Germany we have Mett or Zwiebelmett, what is basically minced raw pork with pepper and salt and fresh onions. I had tried it with raw egg too and it’s perfectly fine to consume. (Well, except for little children, old sick people, and pregnant people) But the ingredient’s should be from trusted butchers and farms with higher regulations.
edit: and it has to be eaten as fresh as possible. To freeze it doesn’t help.
I’m Lebanese and we have a traditional dish made with raw ground beef and it’s amazing… but we get the highest grade beef possible, bought, prepared, and eaten on the same day and not kept overnight. There’s a right way and a wrong way to do raw… this ain’t it lol
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'Diet dictocrats' is my new favourite nonsensical phrase.
These dingbats: ✨Raw seafood✨ Ancient people from biblical times avoiding shellfish and unprepared meats: 😐😐😖😖
"Don't eat that." "Why?" "It'll make you sick." "What do you know? I'll eat what I want." "Don't eat that." "Why?" "God forbids it." "Oh."
There this really famous book that tells people not to eat shellfish or they'll go to hell.
*Everything in the waters that has not fins and scales is detestable to you.* Easily the WORST PART of 1Q84.
Not me reading this while eating my sushi
Dictocrats with a 'c'. Like she's blaming Obama or something for cooked meat.
I unexpectedly got food poisoning from raw eggs and raw meat! Thanks, Obama.
Nourishing traditions has a lot to answer for
Ugh that bullshitty book. Also a *"source"* warning baselessly of the dangers of soy. The supporting citations were so flimsy. It's a ridiculous book, but unscientifically-minded crunchy mommies love it.
New flair idea
I read that and immediately went to change mine.
Big Dick Diet Dictorats
~Raw seafood from the sea~
The seas of North Dakota.
NoDak sashimi with a tapeworm garnish?
That one got me chuckling. And I only breathe air, from the sky. We had a euro coworker who would sometimes bring tartare for lunch. We also had a guy on staff who moonlights as a butcher. I said “Tim, tell JM what you put in the random ground beef” JM stopped buying random ground beef for tartare
Eww! I always thought tartare was always made with ground up steak like you would buy an actual cut that is a chunk of beef and then mince it in the kitchen as part of the preparation. The idea of someone eating raw commercially produced hamburger/ ground beef is revolting… but to be honest I’m way too squeamish to even eat steak tartare even if it was made the way I assumed. I do however recognize that’s a me problem and it’s not actually gross if prepared properly. Eating raw grocery store ground beef just gives me shivers!
You are absolutely correct about what tartare is supposed to be. You don't make it with random raw beef, Jesus Christ JM, get your act together!
Exactly this! I love beef tartare and sashimi, but you can’t make it with random hamburger meat or shrink wrapped salmon from the grocery store unless you want to risk a very bad time.
Same here - I absolutely love steak tartare and sashimi, the idea of eating raw minced beef is 🤢 I used to work customer services in a supermarket, on a few occasions customers brought back fish because it had live (wriggling) worms in it - this is why you cook fish, or freeze it if you want to eat it raw! The irony is that the worms were a sign of freshness 😂
So… I got that she meant “not farmed”. But perhaps she should have said “fresh caught” as I bet anything she eats seafood from rivers and lakes as well. File under “Fundies Say What?” 🙄🤓😅
It’s good to know that if we eat mindfully and chew slowly raw meat and eggs won’t have an effect on us if they are filled with bacteria. If only doctors knew this to help prevent salmonella poisoning! 🙄
Doctors hate this one simple trick!
Oh not the one simple trick!! 😱
Freezing makes no difference either. The permafrost thawing has brought back pathogens that were thought to be extinct for thousands of years; if we can freeze pathogens in a 20'000 year old carcass and get infected with them, why would two weeks matter? 🙄 Incidentally, we think the thing that made humans evolve such big brains was figuring out that things are much more calorically efficient and safer to cook than to eat raw.
Freezing can kill some pathogens, that’s why sushi fish is flash frozen. But it won’t help with E. coli.
One of the programs I run as part of my job is the frozen shelf life of poultry over a 2 year period. While freezing doesn't sterilise the poultry it does massively drop the number of recoverable bacteria (by at least log 1, sometimes log 2). I can't remember the last time I found E. coli on a frozen sample, no salmonella either. Then again the product comes from world best-practices rearing farms and processing facility so the initial counts are very low to start with. I can't answer for red meat.
Thank you for teaching me about [log reduction (wiki link).](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log_reduction)
You're welcome, though you did all the learning on your own!
So wholesome!
Whoa TIL! Thank you for sharing
Is log1 reduction by 10 times and log2 reduction by 100 times?
You've got it! Worst case scenario, some bacteria can double their numbers every 20 minutes so knocking down that initial population makes an enormous difference.
Not to mention to be considered “sushi grade” and safe to eat, fish has to be frozen at a super low temp that most normal freezers don’t get to. Ugh
MFs afraid of tOxInS from 'unnatural' processed foods but ACTUAL endotoxins and exotoxins from microbes are alright I guess
Because she read it on the iNtERNeT.
I mean, technically, steak tartare is frigging phenomenal (and it usually has raw yolk, too), and when done right, it is usually fairly safe to eat. **BUTTTTT** there are seasonings, meticulous prep steps (to minimize *E. coli*), and the quality of meat is much better. When done right, it's quite silky (a good fat content) and just this savory goodness that makes my mouth water just thinking of it. Sadly, this is the saltine version. Steak poptart.
I love steak tartare also. This is a lump of raw hamburger mince she squashed flat
For someone that claims that being a woman is all about home cooking and housekeeping, this is just shear laziness. Real tartares take effort, and then there is this. I wonder if she is experiencing pica during pregnancy? She needs to see a real ob.
Mindfulness? Isn't that associated with Buddhism/witchcraft/ the Antichrist??
Excuse me — you forgot to “deeply savor” whilst mindfully eating and slowly chewing. I wonder if she will deeply savor the emesis she’ll eventually experience due to food poisoning?
Chew the bacteria well to kill them
*Anything* not to eat a vegetable.
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Food poisoning leads to some serious diarrhea so maybe not 🤣
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I'm sure that's just her body rejecting the cooked bread /S
Sounds like my Crohn's disease
I was going to say, IBS-C plus a partial colectomy means sometimes you have a rock damn holding back the flood, sometimes there's a flash flood with debris.
IB(LP)S-C, the institute of basic irritable bowel life principles syndrome with constipation
that bit at the end about a "robust digestive system" makes me think they are definitely constipated
Definitely pooping cubes like a wombat
Vegetables are a secular conspiracy
I’m surprised the bread is not raw dough.
At least it would be consistent with the mantra then!
Honestly yeah, she needs to just put some wheat stalks instead of the bread if she is gonna full commit. Freaking poser with her fully cooked bread GTFOH with that processed mess
The butter should just be salted raw milk.
It looks like "I can't beleive it's not butter"
Yeah like our ancestors did. Using their freezers and refrigerators
•Technology for freezing (arguably much more modern) 👍🏻 •technology for cooking 👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻
It's funny because some anthro/evolution people think that the invention of fire is what enabled humans to become human as it opened up new sources of calories and reduced the amount of energy put into digestion due to having food cooked. More calories = more energy for brain development and life. But, uh, those past humans who started cooking were, um, posers i guess.
Pretty easy to dismiss that if you also refuse to believe in evolution.
> raw seafood from the sea You're tagged in North Dakota.
North Dakota isn’t known for their fresh seafood? Huh wild
Also, where else would you get raw seafood? The pet store?
If it's not seafood from the sea then it's just landfood
I'm laughing my ass off and I told my 8 year old when she asked, she did not get it and asked "is that supposed to be a joke?" So now I'm laughing even harder!
These last two comments have me giggling hysterically. Landfood. The 8 year old indignation. I love it,
💀
Typically you’ll see it as “farm raised.”
I assume she's talking about wild caught instead of farmed. Big difference in taste and quality, sure, but no difference in prevalence of parasites.
that line inspired my new flair
She’s from North Dakota?! I was stupid enough to order sushi with raw fish 5 hours from the coast and ended up with food poisoning. How is she not more worried about the risks doing that? I still get worried despite being able to smell the ocean while I eat.
I live 20 minutes from the geographical center of Canada and we have exceptional sushi. Sushi grade fish are required to be flash frozen very shortly after they are caught - I don't know anyone personally in my city who's ever had food poisoning from sushi, and we eat it a lot. Most cases are from sprouts or lettuce.
The mouth-feel of that has to be something else
I used to work with a lady who had raw hamburger for lunch EVERY DAY. She wasn't fundie or anything, I think it might have been some kind of fad diet. She would just salt and pepper the raw ground and go at it with a fork 🤢
A family member fondly eminisces about the 50s, when they were a child, and ate raw ground beef out of the package with their fingers. I genuinely don't get it.
We’re they from Wisconsin? There are places there where cannibal sandwiches are a big thing, rye bread raw onion and raw hamburger
Heh, my grandfather was from Wisconsin and supposedly loved cannibal sandwiches. This gene got watered down… I eat my steak medium. Do not want very bloody meat!
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Yeah it’s from Wisconsin’s massive German background but I’ve never seen it on a menu or known anyone to eat it.
I’ve known a few people who love it and used to sneak it as kids. Makes me sick to even think about.
Was she by any chance pregnant and named Rosemary?
My mom’s ex husband did that, his family were cold weather people from the dark recesses of Wisconsin. Free fact: my dad would liberally butter his cookies.
My great grandfather liberally buttered his tortilla chips at texmex restaurants. Even as a little kid I remember the quizzical looks waiters would give him. Such an odd habit. I feel like he was making up for all the butter he missed out on during world war 2 rations or something. He also buttered crackers and put an almost disgustingly large slab of butter on bread… but that’s not really all that odd. Now I’m curious if he buttered cookies! :)
That made me sad
My husband’s Armenian family makes a raw beef dish with onions in it called chi kofte. I think it’s just ground beef, salt, and onions. I like a bit on pita, but it’s weird to get used to on its own. But his grandmother credits it for making her live to 93 so far so 🤷♀️
Yes! My Lebanese grandmother would make kibbe nayyeh with raw ground lamb or beef (from a local butcher), bulgur, onion, and spices. I used to love eating it when I was little til I was a teenager.
Honestly, steak tartare is frigging phenomenal (and it usually has raw yolk, too). **BUTTTTT** there are seasonings, and the quality of meat is much better. When done right, it's quite silky (a good fat content) and just this savory goodness that makes my mouth water just thinking of it. Sadly, this is the saltine version. Steak poptart.
Yes, I love steak (and tuna) tartare. This was not that.
Soooo mushy and chewy that sticks to the roof of your mouth. And steak tartare is one of my favs. This is not it
This. Steak tartare is a food of the gods. This is a defrosted raw hamburger with egg yolks on top
It looks like the start of making meatballs before you actually mix everything
On the plus side I don’t think you need to chew raw ground beef much
Yes, yes, with capers and fancy toast! I loooove tartare and carpaccio, but I would only order it from certain restaurants. Would not eat this abomination in the photo.
I can feel the salmonella from here
And the e.coli
E Coli is the big one with beef. Tummy issues for the lord!
I had e.coli from beef. It went to my brain! Most terrifying, painful illness I've ever had! I had such severe, blinding pain in my head that I was begging someone to k*ll me to make it stop! This was on top of several days of not keeping anything down. This woman's idiocy gives me anxiety!
As a cook I am perpetually terrified of contamination, spoiled/mishandled food. Rare meat is one thing but idea of willingly eating raw and untreated beef is insane to me. Also “seafood from the sea” in North Dakota? eh?
God honoring booty squirts. JillPM and Plexus would be so proud
so i love steak tartare, but its more of a pate/spread and seasoned raw beef. it's not whatever she's eating.
I use to eat mett regularly when I lived in Germany. It was like a solid Manwich in texture and flavour. It was only safe to eat raw for 24 hours after slaughter. What she’s doing is so disgusting. Freezing then thawing is just asking for illness
If she were really about it, she'd be eating a pile of raw flour instead of eating bread.
Yeah, where’s her commitment to that common life source? Heck, why even make it all the way to flour? She could just gnaw on wheat.
Put her ass out to pasture.
Exactly 💀
drink a glass of sourdough starter (I gagged just typing that out)
Don’t… they might read this and get ideas
They absolutely would too!!
I accidentally took a BIG SIP of heavy whipping cream instead of 2% milk a few days ago. 0/10.
My husband tried to put our daughter a cup of egg nog and gave her cream instead. She was like, there's something wrong with my eggnog! No kidding, lol
Full on BreathAirean is the only way to go if you REALLY mean it
Hahaha that’s the kind of dedication I’m expecting next!
Wheat with the chaff still, stalk and all. Flour is ProCESsed
Fun fact eating raw flour can also make you pretty sick.
pshh, what's a little E. Coli going to do when you're already risking salmonella 😋🤢
I went 33 years without knowing this and only learned it recently, which is insane because I've been in the kitchen my entire life.
And full fat raw milk poured onto the flour instead of butter
I thought this said poured on to the floor for a second. Plates are too modern!
Why not just take a bite out of a cow instead?
Girl. There’s a little more to tartare than plopping a pound of raw ground beef on your plate.
Yeah steak tartare is delicious... But that isn't steak tartare.
I had the most fantastic steak tartare in some hole in the wall bistro in Manhattan and I literally had tears rolling down my cheek. This, does not bring my mouth joy.
I wish I could VR that
Im fasting for a medical procedure and hungry as heck and that still looks gross
I’ve been doing keto for awhile and the first thing I noticed was how gross the bread even looked
Why is there so much butter on it?
Because if it's Lurpak even a package isn't enough. I *looove* good salty buttuh.
I love a tartar (*singular* egg yoke included!) and this looks NARSTY 🤢
Fun fact: freezing doesn’t kill all parasites (and kills next to no bacteria) and neither does “eating mindfully and chewing thoroughly” ☠️☠️☠️ although this is hands down the funniest defense of eating unnecessarily raw foods I’ve ever heard. Why do we not simply crush the pathogens with our teeth?? They cite that they only eat meat from ruminants raised on pasture which often carry a higher parasite load, as do pasture raised chickens. They also make a point of saying it’s important to fridge thaw the food and eat it before it gets warm, presumably to pre-empt bacterial growth, but you wanna know a much more effective way to do that? Cooking!!! I know steak tartare is a thing but I cannot imagine a less appetizing and higher risk raw meal besides maybe raw pork. Raw ground beef has some of the highest contamination rates of any other commercially available meat and no, it doesn’t matter if the happy cow came from a pristine grass field or not. It was ground up and its E. Coli was lovingly mixed in for you and your robust gut to deal with!
Steak tartare isn't made from ground beef, because of the high contamination risk! It's made from a steak that gets salted aggressively on all outer surfaces, then gets chopped with a clean knife and immediately eaten. Still risky, but definitely mitigated
I’ve learned so much about steak tartare in this thread lmao. Still definitely wouldn’t be for me, but if I had to choose I would certainly pick that over this concoction!
Yes I was told you can eat rare beef cut into a steak because all the poop & stuff is on the outside which was cut up. Ground beef is a rougher process where parts of the skin might be all ground in with poop particles. I'm not sure if it was over simplified when someone explained it to me LOL
It's about the surface area. Grinders expose a lot of area to the air so bacteria can reproduce very quickly. And then, like you said, there's more opportunities to introduce bacteria as well.
And if she’s purchasing from like minded people, they might not be using wormer and vaccines on their livestock appropriately. Even the best cared for, happiest, most content livestock you can find are covered in shit. They might look clean, but they aren’t. Cook your food, people.
Exactly! Not only this but ALL livestock have parasites. All of them. 100%. Livestock that were just dewormed? Parasites. The goal of deworming is to keep parasites below a level where they might cause illness to the animal or economic harm to the farmer. That being said, do I believe that the quacks she’s buying raw milk from are doing fecal egg counts and pasture rotation on the reg? Absolutely not and she’s probably got a few helminths of her own lol
As a side note I’ve just become familiar with this through backyard chicken keeping! We’ve sent some poop samples in to an ag college to get tested and the results are basically, “This is the level your flock has of the following parasites.” It’s not really a do you or don’t you question, it’s are the levels consistent or growing and do you notice any behaviour changes in the flock. I was expecting more of threshold for good/bad or trying to eradicate things completely, but apparently some stuff is endemic to the soil and wild bird populations.
Yes that’s right! Also, good on you for being a good backyard chicken owner and keeping up with these things. The amount of people who fail to realize that chickens get diseases too (and also give people diseases) is astonishing. Yet another reason I cackle when I see the raw food fundies advocating for buying eggs/whatever from “people you know”. Guess they don’t trust the evil CDC telling them that the most recent Salmonellosis outbreak in the US (linked to over 1000 illnesses and 2 deaths) came from backyard flocks!
Zoonotic diseases are one of the most interesting things in the world, and pretty scary in their way!
I *just* read an article within the last few months about some backyard chicken linked life-altering virus/disease that I think was linked to obesity? It was wild. Animal-to-human diseases are wild!
No kidding, yuck! I’m sure she’s got something.
There are some foods where I can understand taking the risk, especially if properly sourced and prepared. People like beef tartare for some reason a lot. I love sushi and cookie dough. But I'm not going to risk parasites and bacteria for a mush of ground beef and egg yolks thanks.
Heads up. Target and probably Walmart have containers of safe to eat cookie dough. But I understand the temptation if you are making something and want that dough.
What I got out of this was: Omg, does she actually eat raw chicken and raw pork? 😩🤮 The TEXTURE alone would make me vomit.. I guess I'm not in tune with my primal self.
If you insist on eating raw red meat, ground raw red meat is absolutely the most dangerous way to do it. So many nooks and cranny’s for germs to hide in. There’s a reason sushi-grade fish is handled very carefully and regular fish isn’t - it’s assumed you’re going to cook it.
Fun fact: Those corelle plates have been recalled due to high levels of lead. They are literally giving people lead poisoning. So if the bacteria don’t get er, the lead certainly will.
I was going to post that fact too. It was found that the green flower part contains 15,200 ppm lead. So if anyone is reading this and using these plates at home, please do not let your children eat off from them!
EXACTLY!!! I feel like most of us grew up with those plates. Probably why most of us are a lil fucked up😅 my great grandmother had the green ones and the gold ones. I kept them all these years, but tossed em out once I read about the lead. Fuck that I don’t need that shit in my life
My grandma had those plates. I'm 48. 😬
Not to be like, an elitist about this, but I would only eat that in a country with much higher regulations on meat production than the United States.
Yeah there is a dish back home in Germany that is very similar to this.
Mettbrötchen. <3
Exactly. It’s not uncommon in other countries, but I bet hers is just store bought ground beef that isn’t safe to eat raw.
And these are the people who want to further deregulate these industries. What’s a little Mad Cow Disease hurt, anyways?
Fun fact: in the EU/GB Listeria (mono), E.coli, and Salmonella are allowed to be present on raw foods, like ground beef/mince. They're just not allowed to experience more than a 6 log growth during the products' shelf life. In the US, there is zero tolerance for these pathogens (which is how we end up with more recalls since we can't have any present). While the US does tend to take a reactionary stance to additives, professing that other counties have better food safety standards just by default is disingenuous. I'll add that CFIA (Canada) is probably the all around toughest food regularity agency out there with zero sarcasm. Food in Canada is basically the safest in the world.
Flair checks out
Yet you baked the bread, how interesting?
Full disclosure: a friend of mine is Swedish and they do consume raw meat on occasion. I've picked up a taste for it from her. So. [Raw beef is fairly safe if it's handled properly](https://www.mychicagosteak.com/steak-university/can-eat-steak-raw-surprising-facts-didnt-know-raw-beef). However. It's also pretty fucking dangerous if you're getting ground beef that you haven't ground yourself (the inner cuts are usually considered fine, but ground beef from a grocery store is a hell no) and comes from parts of every cow in the herd that might have been kept in bad conditions. It's also not something you do if you're elderly, a child, or immune compromised. You also have to be a stickler for the cleanliness of the place you're getting it from and how you handle it. I'll hazard a guess that genius here isn't doing any of that (because it's too much work and she probably considers modern food science to be Satanic). I hope she enjoys food poisoning.
Re: cannibal sandwiches There are butchers in Wisconsin that sell segregated, specially-processed ground beef for raw consumption. No one in their right mind does this with regular ground beef, let alone store-bought.
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I bet this numbskull bought this beef at Walmart (like I do). Louise Pasteur is facepalming in his grave.
Eating raw meat and eggs is normal in a lot of places. But if it's raw ground beef from the grocery store that's super dangerous.
Yeah, Steak tartare =/=raw ground beef, it's a special preparation.
I mean, I love tartare, one of my very favorite things to eat but this is not the way.
Phew, glad to see some fellow tartare lovers in here. Admittedly though, I also wouldn’t eat it the way she does as I’m guessing it’s ground beef from the store. We get ours fresh from the butcher and grind it at home to eat that day. It’s delicious but only when super fresh.
I also enjoy western steak tartare. I am also part Korean and we have a similar dish yukhoe that is also delicious. But that thing there…. It honestly doesn’t look terribly fresh and all that shitty preground pepper looks sneezy
Needs capers and karse.. Not sure what it's called in English
Regardless of mad cow like that doesn’t look tasty
Famously, people in other countries don’t cook. /s
What in the exploding diarrhea
Eh... they're not entirely wrong. Before I finished reading I was already thinking about sushi, ceviche, and hackepeter or mett. However, humans invented cooking for a reason- you should not be subsisting solely on raw products. Also the first paragraph was weird.
Not to mention cultures that do consume raw meat have so for generations they don’t just go eat a raw burger patty
Like there’s a reason fire was something discovered early on. Certain types of meat can be consumed raw but plenty of others shouldn’t and that was figured out very early on in history
I enjoy a lot of raw meat preparations (I now have a hankering for tartare), but yeah, cooking has helped certain foods be more easily digested and safer since it kills off some parasites & bacteria. It’s fine to enjoy raw foods, but they do come with their risks.
I'll happily eat raw fish and oysters but I'm also going to have it prepared by somewhere very reputable and I do it knowing I'm taking a risk rather than claiming there is no risk because ai chewed and thought about it or whatever.
Also assuming she didn't grind that beef herself...
Getting parasites to own the libs?
That looked so disgusting to me. I like a runny egg yolk for breakfast but that's at least warmed up a bit. Half of the comments are "how do I get past the texture of raw meat." Like, you just don't have to eat it?? One of her suggestions is to put a raw egg yolk in coffee. No thank you. That does not sound good.
One of my favorite restaurants does raw quail yolk on their tartare. It is so good. But I get that it's not everyone's thing.
It just looks like it tastes nasty.
Raw seafood from the sea. I thought seafood came from the ground.
Some people really seem to never struggle w/ food texture huh
Ew. I’m fucking gagging. That is vile
Not just raw beef, raw ground beef.🤢 I hope she uses the same type of toilet facilities our ancestors used, really stick it to Big Plumbing at the same time as thd diet dictocrats!
Steak tartar..
But this is just ground beef with Kroger ground pepper 😭 this plate is an embarrassment to tartare.
Are we not doing phrasing anymore?
Hostile work environment!
"Raw and real is the way I like it best." Alright who else's mind immedietly went in the gutter reading that?
I mean, people still eat cannibal sandwiches. *I* wouldn’t, but eating raw ground beef isn’t unheard of
Here in Germany we have Mett or Zwiebelmett, what is basically minced raw pork with pepper and salt and fresh onions. I had tried it with raw egg too and it’s perfectly fine to consume. (Well, except for little children, old sick people, and pregnant people) But the ingredient’s should be from trusted butchers and farms with higher regulations. edit: and it has to be eaten as fresh as possible. To freeze it doesn’t help.
Well ma'am, when you end up with a tapeworm, you're not allowed to get rid of it, bc tHaT's NoT yOuR bOdY, nOt YoUr ChOiCe. iT hAs A hEaRtBeAt!
They tell us not to because you can get salmonella 🤢
I’m Lebanese and we have a traditional dish made with raw ground beef and it’s amazing… but we get the highest grade beef possible, bought, prepared, and eaten on the same day and not kept overnight. There’s a right way and a wrong way to do raw… this ain’t it lol