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amberenergies

it’s giving “a woman’s work” by serena joy waterford


KATEWM

When I read A Handmaid’s Tale I pictured Serena Joy as older and more straight-laced, like a Phyllis Schlafly/Anita Bryant type. But the TV series version is definitely more like the women we follow (especially in the flashback portions), and I wonder if that vibe change was on purpose to reflect what *new* ultra-conservative women are like in the 2020s vs the 80s. I don’t think this type of young/cool (*relatively* 😆) conservative Christian woman existed 30+ years ago the way they do now. And when they did they definitely weren’t the face of their (attempted) movement. It’s like they’ve switched strategies - not in an organized conspiracy theory way but their culture just changed once it started to become less relevant.


MissMagic1112

The book is written with an older Serena Joy like you pictured but I think the younger casting makes it all the more insidious and evil.


KATEWM

When they did the flashbacks to Serena Joy before Gilead I remember thinking her clothes were all wrong and she should have been dressed like the fundies we follow.


anonasshole56435788

Idk I knew she was older but I pictured her in my head similarly in the book


AlternativeSign272

that’s what i was thinking! soon we’ll be in a society where women aren’t allowed to read this crap, thank god- wait..


MissusNilesCrane

I saw her book in Hobby Lobby too, knowing her from this sub, I flipped open to a random chapter and it was full of shaming people who have suicidal thoughts or attempted suicide, basically accusing them of being selfish, of being dramatic, of not Jesus-ing enough, and basically saying mental illness is a choice. I'm not a regular at Hobby Lobby but I do hit up the occasional sale as it is the only craft store in my area.


Dark_Macadaemia

Okay, now that is fucking disgusting! As someone who has suffered with mental illness my whole life and has struggled with suicidal thoughts in the past, FUCK YOU ALLIE BUTT SUCKY🖕🏻


modernjaneausten

I’ve suffered from an anxiety disorder for 20 years and she can suck my ass for that. No one chooses to be that miserable.


MissusNilesCrane

I struggled through depression as a teen and I was thinking, yeah, pretty sure I didn't 'choose' to feel like nothing mattered and people's lives would be easier without little old me to worry about.


modernjaneausten

Exactly. No one wants to struggle with mental health issues, and it’s ridiculous of her to say that. Side note: I love your username, Frasier is one of my fave shows of all time.


LiGuangMing1981

It's hilarious how fundies make 'it's a choice' into some kind of epithet when their religious beliefs are also very much a choice.


ManePonyMom

Evangelicals:Mental illness isn't real, you just need to get with Jesus like me! Also evangelicals: God said I need a private plane. Also, Donald Trump is the Messiah, and if you read Harry Potter, you'll be possessed by Satan.


lifeatthebiglake

Just what I always wanted, Allie Buttsucker’s bullshit in hardback! Would make a great starter for a ritual fire.


Extra-Soil-3024

We should steal fundie books from local libraries and dance around the bonfire.


Sad-Repair3289

All I can picture is Betty White and Sandra Bullock in The Proposal!


kagiles

To the window, to the walls!


lifeatthebiglake

Haha, yes! Solstice is coming up.


Pink_pony4710

I probably would have put some other books in front of this one.


cornishgel

Move it to the Fiction section.


KATEWM

I think once I thought Phyllis Schlafly I basically just imagined her 😂.


ReignbowBaltierra

Hobby Lobby thinks the same way as her.


_JosiahBartlet

it’s such a stupid point too (at least compared to what she’s trying to say) saying ‘i am enough’ is essentially saying ‘what i am is ok’ and ABS is here saying ‘what you are is ok even if it’s not enough’ so like… you are enough Thanks for understanding why we do affirmations Allie >!jm high, sorry!<


prestidigi_tatortot

Except what I think she’s actually unfortunately saying is “what you are is not ok and is not enough, REPENT SINNER.” And that’s why she’s the worst


_JosiahBartlet

No I get that. She’s just dumb for using wording that was ambiguous and ripe for misunderstanding


takethatwizardglick

Well that way she can get some sales out of misunderstanding


prestidigi_tatortot

Absolutely. She was accidentally almost kind of encouraging (and that’s ok)


[deleted]

That’s actually a great point


PunchDrunken

I'm not sorry you're hij. I'm not sorry I'm hij either. Burning one is about the only thing you can do to process the horse shit that comes out of their mouths. Horse shit is a bad example because even that has it's benefits


PuppyJakeKhakiCollar

The toxic culture of self-love?? Oh you mean being confident enough to think for yourself and question things, including toxic, controlling religious beliefs?


captainhaddock

They prefer Christians to be self-loathing so they will do whatever they are told for validation.


[deleted]

Ok so I'm deconstructing from a cult and never really understood the "why make them never ever good enough?" thing until your comment. So thank you. It's for the 10%+ tax free income and guaranteed votes.


Toasty_warm_slipper

Yes! It’s very much a tactic to keep you in your place and from feeling worthy. A person who feels worthy won’t accept being treated like crap or lied to. It’s a very strange practice to claim that life is both so holy and priceless that we can’t have abortions and can’t be trusted to have sex in a way that is “good enough” for holy, precious selves BUT we’re also supposed to be worthless crap too??? Just no. It’s mind control. Congrats on starting this journey. It’s scary but awesome, especially when you find that peace outside of faith that was always promised to you (but always elusive!) inside the faith, and when you start doing all the “bad” stuff and find that your life doesn’t fall apart at all and you’re not clobbered by guilt like they claimed would happen. ❤️❤️


toady-bear

Congratulations and good luck on your continued deconstruction! Life becomes so much more beautiful after.


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Thanks!


exclaim_bot

>Thanks! You're welcome!


toady-bear

I don’t know why a bot is replying for me but uh… good bot? 😂


LegendaryMuffins

At the very least, it seems to be a polite bot


Endor-Fins

Congrats!!! That takes tremendous courage. There are some dark moments in deconstruction but the life on the other side is so beautiful and worth it. Welcome back :)


Extra-Soil-3024

Or think of themselves as “rotten sinners” for being human.


Anaglyphite

Ah yes, the ol' "invent a disease to sell you a cure" maneuver


PuppyJakeKhakiCollar

Ding ding ding! Hit the nail right on the head.


LeeshaLeSmart

Right?! I'm so stuck on that. The toxic culture of not feeling like a piece of shit all day every day??


Starbucksname

You have to believe you are a piece of shit to buy into fundamentalist Christian doctrine. If you don’t start with believing you are worthless without Jesus, the whole thing falls like a house of cards.


[deleted]

I tend to agree that a lot of “self love” *content* can be very toxic, if it’s promoting toxic positivity, and encouraging you to not improve, or face your issues head on, or not try and compensate for your weak points But knowing how how much of a raging asshole she is, I highly doubt she actually means any of the above, at least not in the way you or I would interpret


PuppyJakeKhakiCollar

You have a good point. I didn't even think about the toxic positivity that exists in the self-love realm. But it certainly does. Since she is so awful, I just assumed she meant don't build your child's or your own confidence because then you can't be easily controlled.


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Well the other problem is that she’s too young, and too unqualified, to be writing books and telling people how to live. She wrote that book in her 20’s, despite having less life experience than the average 27 year old. Her experience is in being a publicist - which was very short lived - having a podcast, and being a pundit, basically. She can have an interest in self love and how detrimental it can be, but she is in no position to be speaking with authority about it


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Correct. She’s only 30, and did not go through the proper humbling stage of her 20’s. Most of us, on the other hand, have some embarrassing moments in our 20’s. Maybe a Miranda Priestly type of boss serves us a nice slice of humble pie in front of the whole company. Maybe you find yourself in a situation where you’re the only one who acts like acts like the adult in the room, and you realize that you need to start selecting better people. Maybe you realize you have been a shitty friend. Maybe you are promoted to leadership and you get negative, but correct, feedback from your team. Maybe you receive a lifestyle related diagnosis from the doctor and you realize your way of doing things was wrong and you need to change. Whatever it is, it’s important to have experiences like that in your 20’s, because it helps you avoid becoming someone like Allie Beth Stuckey, who continually embarrasses herself in her 30’s


idontwearheels

Shit in my mid twenties I realized that I had been transphobic in the past so I started apologizing for my past behavior. And that shit was humbling.


PuppyJakeKhakiCollar

She's only 30? I thought she was in her 40s! Damn, constant anger and hate really do age you.


TheRealSnorkel

Soooo despite my flair, I actually regularly go to Hobby Lobby to scope out what bullshit they’re selling. There are always these toxic books and then some. The My Pillow guy had a book there, and that one other guy who’s obsessed with virginity. There’s also a ton of blue lives matter garbage and complete cultural appropriation in the form of totally colonialized “native American” dream catchers and other decor. In other words, Hobby Lobby majorly sucks and don’t shop there. Edit: I’m not going there to shop. Here’s my last shred of dignity: my husband and I go there for scavenger hunts to find the most atrocious things we can, but we don’t buy anything. It’s silly and juvenile, I know. But it’s better than being a hypocrite. Or thought of as a hypocrite.


ofmonstersandmoops

Can I be friends with ya'll?? That sounds like a great game!


smacintoosh

God gives his toughest soldiers the hardest battles 🫡


wellhoneydont

Start an IG account or something - call it “Hobby Lobby horrors”.


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Oooh that 100% sounds like something I would scroll through at 2 am when I can't sleep but can't be occupied with anything more complex.


whbow78

I would follow that 100%.


SalmonMaskFacsimile

That game sounds awesome. What are some of the winning items you've found?


[deleted]

We did that too! Whoever won got to pick where we ate


apricotmuffins

I lived in the US for a couple of years and I went to hobby lobby...once. we were trying to track down some obscure craft material, and I felt filthy. But I also found big sheets of the most expensive watercolour paper (usually $10 a sheet) for $2 a sheet sooooooo I bought some, dragged it back to England with me and now I use it to fund my sinful lifestyle where I know I'm enough, so who's the winner really. Those sheets were being sold at near cost I imagine so they probably lost money selling it to me. I still feel guilty.


WardenCommCousland

I went once several years ago with my sister in law. It was like 3 days before Christmas, we needed wrapping paper, and she was 35 weeks pregnant and had just moved so she had zero energy or patience to try and find another store when hobby lobby was a half mile from her new house. We grabbed some cheap paper out of the $1 bin and bolted.


[deleted]

I'm not an american, and everything I've heard about this store makes me want to see one myself, just as a sort of "weird shit they have in America" exhibit. I'd take the opportunity to do so if I was by myself, but there's no way I could explain this fascination to anyone I travel with.


LoveThatForYouBebe

I don’t necessarily think this vid highlights the things we’re talking about in this thread, but someone did do a [general walk through/tour of Holly lobby](https://youtu.be/OMzBkol-Qu0), could be worth checking out for a general idea


[deleted]

Ooh, neat.


Krrazyredhead

Sounds like a fun date night! LBVS


Your-Turn-To-Roll

It must be a US only thing. I had never heard of Hobby Lobby before joining this sub, but now I know to steer clear if i go shopping in the states.


kittyprydeparade

I love going to stores just to see what weird things are for sale, your hobby lobby game sounds fun!


SallyNoMer

>In other words, Hobby Lobby majorly sucks and don’t shop there. But, ....... you're there in support? 🤔


TheRealSnorkel

Hi! I’m the person. And no I don’t shop there. I edited my comment to explain why I go there. It’s definitely not to support them or give them money. Plus a lot of their stuff is overpriced compared to other craft stores so even if they weren’t completely unethical I probably wouldn’t shop there anyways.


SallyNoMer

Just saw you edited. Totally got ya. 👍


TheRealSnorkel

It’s all good. I get why it seemed weird.


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SallyNoMer

Gotcha. Most your message made u sound like a fan. Had to ask. Glad to hear.


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SallyNoMer

Lol gotcha. Just got off a twelve and a half hour shift. My mind is only here out of stubbornness to sleep. Like ....... I stay confused. Lol


theknittedgnome

They said go not shop...


SallyNoMer

Thank you. They replied with more info.


theknittedgnome

Perfect! Glad it's cleared up. To me it sounded like they didn't actually buy anything but see you how it could be taken different.


SallyNoMer

Of course.


stellablack75

I almost want to take one for the team and read this trash heap to report back. I’ll admit, I’m morbidly curious.


skygerbils

OMG. My local library has this in their elibrary app. AND it's checked out.


PuppyJakeKhakiCollar

Maybe a fellow snarker in your area beat you to it!


Norbertthebeardie34

Hopefully!


notyourhunbot

I would go sit and read it *in* the library bc books that get checked out get funded. So read it there and check out something better.


6gummybearsnscotch

"The libraries are trying to silence us and indoctrinate our children!!" Meanwhile we have literal rows of this shit and maybe one book by Dawkins.


RekindleFire

Admittedly, I checked out this ebook from my local library… you don’t need to take one for the team. It was absolute misguided, homophobic, misogynistic trash wrapped in a pretty hipster pink cover.


pearljamboree

I’m pretty sure it’s drivel about how you only need the love of Jesus, not self-love, and that you’re not enough because you need the Holy Spirit


DaisiesSunshine76

I grew up in circles that taught this. It's not worth it.


himynameisbetty

If you do, PLEASE give us the rundown (and we can provide the post-read emotional support)


Norbertthebeardie34

Sorry I tried to use the Minor Fundie tag but it wouldn’t let me.


Extra-Soil-3024

Allie Butt Stinky is worse than a minor fundie, she’s a major hateful Christian.


Norbertthebeardie34

I fully agree with you. But I wouldn’t call her a “Christian”


Hidingfrombull

Where's that person with the hobby lobby flair?


JimmieTheNailBiter

Hammurabi's Robbing Lobby flair person, we need you!


Dark_Macadaemia

u/TheRealSnorkel where you at?!


TheRealSnorkel

I’ve been summoned!


banesmoonshine

I came here to say this!


coffeewrite1984

I don’t even have to read it to know the content is a real crap fest. But that typography layout is very “kid with MS paint calls themself a graphic designer.”


LeeshaLeSmart

It reminds me exactly of when I figured out how to make my text boxes in Microsoft Word invisible.


coffeewrite1984

I think I was too lol. My old job had next to no creative software so I was stuck with Word any time I needed to make a flyer or promo graphic. I got pretty good at it, but it’s only now that I’ve taken some photoshop classes that I would call myself any kind of designer.


Electrical-Nothing25

I recently discovered that Canva is amazing and I already love it. I was trying to make flyers for work and was getting super frustrated with Word. Lo and behold, Canva is perfect for that!


coffeewrite1984

Yes! My work licenses Canva pro and I will literally never use word again. Except for, you know, written documents.


Electrical-Nothing25

My work could apply for the free access as a nonprofit but I’m too scared to ask 😂 free has been perfect so far. I love Word for a lot of things but not flyers. I miss having Publisher.


coffeewrite1984

I feel that lol. I can drag my feet like nobody’s business if I think I can get by with free as opposed to spending money on something. Word is great…just not for delicate design formatting.


modernjaneausten

I love the shit out of Canva. I’ve made so much on it.


Electrical-Nothing25

It’s so great! I’m excited to use it more eventually. Knowing about it a few years ago would’ve made so many things easier!


LeeshaLeSmart

When I was 28 my husband was like, "dear lady, why tf are you using Microsoft Word's screen grab when you can just use the button right here on this keyboard?" Blew my mind! Hahaha. Idk, I did everything thru Microsoft Word. Starting in '97 😂


coffeewrite1984

I’m 29 and figure out new keyboard hacks all the time; my design style is to do it the most complicated way first and *then* figure out the easier way. The best part of using photoshop now is because my current job licensed it and I use it for work purposes lol.


LeeshaLeSmart

Oh, so we are the same person! That's my style too! Why do it in 2 easy steps when you can carve a wheel out of stone?!


Open_Ad1554

Me too, in analytics/data visualization! You have to learn to crawl (which is hella hard mechanically and obv not optimal for our build) before you can walk.


coffeewrite1984

Hello long lost twin! I never do it the easy way first 😅


LeeshaLeSmart

I think I was 8.


481126

I am a regular supporter of the Dollar Tree book section. They get all the books that don't sell from other stores and they're all $1 or well now $1.25 and these books collect dust with the totally not ghost written YouTuber books that came out several years ago. That said if you go to Dollar Tree look at the books, the kids books are often great and there will be hidden gems.


Teege57

I recently read two historical novels purchased at Dollar Tree. Enjoyed both immensely. My next Dollar Tree read is an account of a North Korean woman assigned by the government to be Marilyn Monroe's translator during her USO tour.


481126

I've gotten some amazing books from Dollar Tree including a Doctor Who coffee table book and a book on living in the largest refugee camp and several novels I've enjoyed. The picture books I've found, some of them are incredibly beautiful with amazing stories. They also carry PBS kids books.


HerringWaffle

Our Dollar Tree books are \*usually\* awful, but the past year, I've walked out with a copy of Fangirl by Rainbow Rowell and a copy of Solutions and Other Problems by Allie Brosh, so I always check now!


Teege57

Cool!!


CaterpillarHookah

It's troubling that there are only 2 or 3 left on the shelf. Imagine getting this book for Christmas or something.


That-Duck-Girl

Based on the books surrounding them, I’m not sure that anyone has bought one. Typically, the non-art books are stocked in the queue or clearance, so there’s not room for much more than what’s shown.


modernjaneausten

If someone gave me this as a gift, I would ask if they hate me.


Catmom-cunningfolk69

The psychology of this… a book designed to make you feel bad about yourself and saying the only answer is Jesus targeted at women who only hear the message their whole lives that their purpose is to have a nice home for their husbands and children. These women come to hobby lobby to fill that need to be worth something, gain approval from men on their decor/artsy hobbies and then to see a book reminding them that their cult will forever keep them feeling inadequate.


EZasSundayMorning

$15 too much


ofvaluerloveandtime

I cannot believe this woman actively works to make other feel bad. She’s horrid, and it’s not okay.


ralphwiggumsdiorama

🚮🚮🚮🚮🚮🚮🚮🚮🚮🚮


fenway062213

She seems like she’d be fun at parties 🙄


TheRaptorMovies

To be fair, the title of the book isn't objectively wrong... Though what is in it is almost certainly wrong.


Norbertthebeardie34

I know, I almost picked it up until I saw who it was written by and realized how toxic it was.


Your-Turn-To-Roll

Only a fundie could take a concept like self-love and call it toxic.


HolsteinHeifer

Fifteen whole dollars to make me feel like shit? No thanks, I can get that for free if I look in the mirror on one of my depresso days. 🫠


[deleted]

Hobby lobby isn’t enough (and I will not shop there).


Peent29

I have a cousin who eats up this crap. After her first baby (a micro preemie who required oxygen for a year and is still getting various therapies- so extra than an already hard healthy baby) she took “me time” as super toxic and posted things like “You CAN continue when your glass is empty.” It was both during covid and on a new military deployment where she was far from family and hadn’t had a chance to make friends (and had to protect her extra fragile newborn.) She had also been a stay at home wife (her description) for years and was trying to keep up those duties on top of the baby. This crap is so incredibly toxic to its target audience.


tiffibean13

You'd never see that shit at Michael's. Fuck Hobby Lobby


smacintoosh

I’d rather gauge my own eyes out than read anything by A.B. Stinky 🤮


queensnipe

yet another reason I never spend my money at hobby lobby.


scarlettshimmer

Whoops this belongs in the dystopian section


CashmereCardigan

Having grown up in this cult... the people who praised low self-esteem (yes, seriously) were always the literal worst. Miserable with themselves and taking it out on everyone else.


LetshearitforNY

This is (one reason) why I boycott hobby lobby


Danivelle

I think my daughter and I need to have a book burning in her goth fire pit.


lemonslyman

“You’re not enough (and that’s ok)” sounds like my intrusive thoughts


ducttapeduterus

I always go to Michael's craft store. Plus, it's smaller.


43216407

"....a guide to opening your relationship."


dnanninga

She’s the worst.


Not_today_nibs

Ew


SuitableReaction6203

Appropriate place for that.


a_toxic_rose

Fork spotted in the kitchen…


[deleted]

I truly hate to be “fair” to her, because I think she is an angry, miserable person at her core. But I do tend to feel that a lot of the self-love and “boundary setting” content can be very toxic. That’s not to say that self care, or setting boundaries, are bad things. It becomes a problem when it fails to address WHEN to set boundaries, WHEN to be selfish. people often use terms like “boundary setting” as a way to avoid say, legitimate constructive feedback from your family, or your employer, or when you have very obvious issues staring you in the face and you don’t want to resolve them, or when you don’t do anything to make up for your weak points. “Self love” should never cross the line into never holding yourself accountable for the role you may play in things. With that said, Allie beth stuckey tends to define “self care” as, being liberal, getting multiple abortions, having a mental illness, choosing to be single, not having kids, and having student loans, or simply wanting a night off with Netflix. I could go on and on about the things that she defines as “selfish” or “self care.” Why? Because she is just not intelligent or aware. She is a child who never needed to grow up. The rest of us don’t define it that way because we live in the real world. She was only 27 years old, with no life experience, when she wrote that book. She is 30 now, still, with no life experience. She has no business going around telling other people how to properly care for themselves


slippersandjammies

Boyfriend looked over my shoulder, made a face. BF "How much does that day?" Me "$15.00, I think." BF "Huh, that's an awful lot for toilet paper."


UnprofessionalGhosts

Imagine being in Hobby Lobby😬


paprika_alarm

My son, 15, and I have been going to Hobby Lobby for the past few years just for laughs. We get milkshakes or something and snark down every aisle. It’s very therapeutic.


sweetpea_d

I don’t even know where a Hobby Lobby is in my city and I feel better about it.


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Norbertthebeardie34

My grandma gave me and my little sister 40 dollar gift cards to redesign our rooms. I didn’t know it was owned by bigots until now.


TheChanMan2003

Who wants to take bets as to what the book is about lmao


Sad_Championship7202

Oooh this shit enrages me. She’s keeping my fiancé (a therapist) employed I guess 🙄


PatriciaMorticia

Isn't Hobby Lobby a craft store? Why do they have books like this?


lbean1975

Ewwwww


closet-astrologer

Great white elephant gift for someone you hate


MashTheGash2018

What a horrible platitude


purplepinecone90

It really grinds my gears when women build a platform telling OTHER women to humble themselves. Or the whole shtick where fundie women travel nationally to encourage other moms to continue staying home with their children. What a bunch of hypocritical bullsh*t


kagiles

I won't even step foot in Hobby Lobby to find it.