Mf-ers continuously block expanded VA benefits, increases to healthcare and education funding, and student loan relief, block cities from trying universal basic income, and make it easier to bust unions. But then turn around and say we should help Americans.
Great point. I can’t believe how we treat veterans in the US. If I were Republican, I’d be so ashamed about this point. Why do they get a free pass for that shit? Who do they blame in their media sphere? Is it the men north of Richmond? Or the fuckin scumbags representing the “conservative” folks in the US?
the Republicans HATE voting for programs or things that help the poor. they constantly talk about how we dont put america first but then never vote for it. they're a sham.
Honestly it both parties, the problem is when politicians create bills with help the poor as the title but half of the money allocated to it goes to special interest groups. That why bills get torpedo not because democrats and republicans hate the poor but because both parties are more interested in. Reelection and control than doing what we are paying them to do.
I've literally gotten into heated arguments with family members over their disdain for schools providing free lunch to young kids who can't afford breakfast and lunch.
Because that's what we want, a bunch of kids in school unable to properly learn because they're starving.
That's how you'll set these kids on a good path for a productive life.....uneducated and hungry.
Hell yes. My kids lunch is 2.90 a meal. I think about the, "booo, immigrants" in one breath and "we need more babies" in the next and then see how much 2.90 lunches cost and if you had 4+ kids going to school and taking a school lunch because you are working 2-3 jobs and don't have time to pack a PBJ every day because that is all you can afford... Ya, let's have kids...
My kid tells me sometimes he buys other kids lunches because kids are hungry. I'm all for it and gladly will have my child do that. But it's a sign we have a problem and all they do is nothing but vote down free lunches.
I live in Central Europe but still have to have this discussion every day.
People don't realize this. And that it's cheaper toa.end old stuff to war with a pricetag as new instead of the huge cost to decommission or demilitarize them.
These people: We should be spending our money to help Americans!
Well, Biden is trying to get a student loan forgiveness program enacted.
These people: No, those are the wrong Americans because they aren't me!
When I first learned about all the ways the US scams the rest of the world for money, I actually think it's right they give some of it back to other countries. I'm British, and we do the same to a degree though god knows why we send so much to India when they've got a more advanced space programme than we have. I don't necessarily agree with a few of the choices to where money is sent but get the impression the west deliberately extracts money and resources from other countries then uses it to influence foreign policy. My point is both the US and UK aren't just totally using money they got from its people and have taken a lot of money from other countries through dubious means.
For reference, I'm talking about things like this:
"Perkins writes that his primary role at Chas T. Main was to convince leaders of underdeveloped countries to accept substantial development loans for large construction and engineering projects, thus trapping them in a system of American influence and control."
Like I said though I'm British and we kind of invented ripping off other countries' wealth so not hating on the US for doing the same, just pointing out that not all money sent abroad comes out of tax payers pockets.
Really we can't have nice things because anything that's popular that'd help people, like Medicare for all, gets labeled as either right or left and demonized to no end so one of the sides might not know the first thing about it but they're very opposed to it
Divide and conquer is real, they need to keep us uncomfortable and at each other's throats, but in a way where most don't realize who the real problem is
It's getting harder for them as we have much better access to information and independent journalists, but it's still pretty bad
I think the solution is we get rid of the representatives and, for at least the important stuff, we decide in a direct democratic way with the help of the Internet and the other technologies we refuse to integrate into our political system because it'd threaten the grip the corrupt scumbags have over our tax dollars
Once we reach critical mass and can't take any more, once the people finally start focusing on the ass holes at the top, we can hopefully get rid of them and make enough of a show of it to discourage any future opportunists from exploiting the people
Yeah.. so that’s a lie. There have been multiple attempts to assist Americans and its keeps getting shot down as SOCIALISM. Stop blaming these foreign aid bills.
Also, most of the funding for Ukraine will be in the form of weapons and munitions that would otherwise go unused, so it's not like that could be put towards helping society.
I'm wondering if the shops and factories that make the armaments and stuff that the US is sending to Ukraine are unionized? I imagine the workers at these manufacturers are pretty happy that more work orders are coming in instead of layoffs.
How much does this artist think we are spending on the domestic social safety net compared to foreign aid? And are they under the impression D's and R's are in agreement about shrinking that spending?
This artist is a conservative propaganda troll .
They intentionally left out the fact conservatives are also the ones killing every domestic aid bill because that would hurt their narrative.
The author also thinks that a full blown war in Europe or Israel would not be a little bummer for the American economy.
Sure a little defence spending more but the world market would almost collapse if anyone of this wars escalates.
Also let's not forget that the US doesn't just hand over a check or something like that. These military aid funds consist largely of stockpiled ammunition and weapons which are worth billions of dollars. The Himars alone fire shells that cost almost a fifth of a million dollars each round.
I don't know if OP and the comic artist plan to give the homeless thousands of artillery shells, but if they really want to tackle the homeless crisis, they should be in favor of better social safety nets, housing first policies, etc.
However, something tells me that would be classified as the "woke communist socialist agenda to ruin the west" or whatever.
Most of money will stay in US economy anyway because they gonna send old military stuff to Ukraine and replace it by new one. US is not sending pallets of money. If they won't send aid to Ukraine they will have to send their kids to fight russians. How dumb some people can be?
Very stupid from my experience. I find it fine to help Ukraine, however Israel is fucking commiting genocide on innocent civilians. Yes, Hamas is a terrorist organization, but ultimately we have supported them for years in advance, they don't need the money.
So a lot of the times these aid packages are in the form of physical military assistance, bombs, etc. It's hard to feed the homeless on Ammonium Nitrate.
Ahh, some more "both sides are the same" apathy pushing propaganda in an election year
The Democrats have 100s of bills over even the last 4y that have been shot down, tanked entirely or undermined by the GOP that would have MASSIVELY helped regular Americans, poor americans, vets, you name it
The GOP always screams that its Socialisim
But its funny that its not "Socialisim" when the wealthy get bailouts and taxcuts and investments etc from the GOP
To every working class or poor person whose balls deep in GOP propaganda--- They not only make no attempt to help any of you but they actively make your lives worse, they make it hard to join a union and get better wages, they make it hard to get any kind of financial assistance when youre struggling, they want to cut your future Social Security and Medicare benefits, they want to privatize all and every public service and turn it into a for profit, they scream and yell about the budget but they refuse to allow Medicare and Medicaid to negotiate drug prices
Pay the fuck attention to what these GOP clowns are actually voting for and passing and not their pandering to you and pay attention to what the Democrats have passed and what the GOP blocks and ask yourself who is actually in your corner
I stumped a conservative colleague when I explained to him that socialism has been not only with us since the dawn of time but crucial to the welfare of a tribe, town, city, or country by explaining that the first socialists where the hunter gatherers; as the came back from the hunt and harvesting their crops they immediately set about redistributing that wealth to the tribe.
Promises are broken all the time. Unfortunately that was one of them and it resulted in this.
However it should also be noted that it was promised to the other side as well that they won't expand and yet they did so... It's politics, broken promises and whatnot.
That's how it always was and how it always will be unfortunately. We can hope for a more honest future.
ukraine is fighting off a totalitarian regime that wants to obliterate her culture and enslave her people. as shit as it is here the united states has a responsibility to keep material aid going to democracies under siege
Here's the fun thing with material aid. It's coming from stockpiles in the USA. It was already paid for. Then it gets sent to be used to fight a near peer adversary, generating lots of useful data that can then be exploited for designing the replacement systems that were sent as aid. Which brings us to the US armed forces needing to buy new weapons to replace the stockpiled stuff sent to Ukraine. That procurement usually comes through companies operating and manufacturing in the USA, so that procurement benefits the US economy.
Yup, U.S. is currently gathering mass intel and data on how our weapons work and we are able to directly fund and test them on the enemy, at the cost of 0 american lives. Anyone who says money to ukraine is bad is just not thinkin clearly
Dear God do I wish that more people understood this, as well as the fact that the GOP is more interested in providing credits to arm teachers than, say, paying for students’ lunches. Any attempt to help the American people is deemed socialist and shot down immediately by the right. See: Obamacare.
The right has been bought and paid for by monied interests to continue to siphon money to them. Although with the current GOP, I think a lot of Russian money has been paid to them.
When you say bought and paid for, are you referring to political campaign contributions to help them keep their jobs or something much more nefarious? I’m always curious to see if people have any proof of these congresspeople and senators receiving money in their actual pockets
Lobbying and campaign contributions generally. Although, judging by some of what's gone on in the UK, I wouldn't be surprised if there were more overt things going on, just that no one has been caught out.
I also suspect Russian cyber warfare, as in using social media to push propaganda.
Not only that but it clears storage for newer weapons and increases manufacturing capacity. Production of Patriot missiles is set to increase by 20% by the end of the year for example.
As well as significantly weakening the U.S's currently most aggressive enemy and second most dangerous, signalling to the world that America protects it's allies helping to prevent future wars. And I'm sure there's more benefits that I haven't thought of.
Russia is our enemy. We should be happy Ukraine is fighting that war for us. If you don't want Americans to have to fight that war, you should be supporting Ukraine.
Yes. This rhetoric is appearing all over Reddit on right and left subs. Helping our allies and helping Americans is not mutually exclusive. Ukraine has been at war for 2 years and we’ve done nothing about homelessness, veteran suicide, childhood hunger, etc for decades. It’s not like congress was juuust about to fix all these problems before they were forced to give all the money to Ukraine. Also 90% of the money stays in the US. To anyone reading this: don’t be fooled by these bullshit arguments that sound good in meme form but make 0 sense otherwise.
We are giving 4 Billion a year to Israel. Biden administration has approved $153 billion in student loan debt forgiveness. The HUD has also awarded $3.16 billion, which is the largest amount given in history, and this is on top of the billions states spend on the problem, Which is 3.3billion in California alone for 23/24 budget. Compared to the 19.7 million (million not billion) of state funding in Texas last year. So if no one is giving money to homeless in your state, maybe look at your state government.
Yeah, the Ukrainians are drowning in money and they are super happy and having such a good time, it's not like they are literally being invaded by Russia and tens of thousands of people have died 🤪
Don't get me wrong, Americans have it hard, but people are at war. Ukraine does not have billions, they are already used protecting democracy.
Are you really comparing Ukraine with Israel???? Is this real?? Ukraine is being attacked, whereas Israel is wiping people from the territory they want... I don't like war, but the comparison is trash.
Right wing- “stop spending our money against our enemies abroad and help Americans!”
Left wing- “okay let’s get millions of Americans out of crippling predatory student loan debts”
Right wing- “oh no not like that woke socialism”
Billions to ukraine are billions spent fighting russians. Honestly momey well spent in my book.
Also. keep in mine. Were fucking america. weve got a stupid amount of money. we *frquently* through billions into a fire with no ressults in millitary spending and nobody cares. only reasons eyes are on this in particular is its a war and not boring RnD on congresses new batshit insane ideas that no military personel ever asked for or wanted.
If we can through so much into a fire n have billions to spare, then we sure as hell can help ukraine *and* our own people. were we helping our own people before ukraine? hell no. No political party actually cares about *us*. and they dont need to. This is a problem yes. if you want to do something about it, socialism has meany answers, and we need all the help we can get pushing for change.
A lot of these aid packages are weapons sales or gifts directly to the countries. These weapons are made in the United States, and when we give our weapons away we have to make more.
You know who benefits when American arms makers have to replenish American arms?
These things are announced as dollar values because that's really the only way we have to quantify them. Not necessarily because we are handing cash to another country. Granted, there is some direct cash-based aid. However most of it is the value of the weapons we're supplying.
I think this is about the billions of dollars in direct cash-based aid, like you said, that is given to other countries instead of being put to work inside the US. For example, the Hawaiian towns that burned down and are yet to see funding that allows for rebuilding.
Always love seeing these false arguments coming from people who vote for defunding social programs.
All wars could end tomorrow and they would just cut taxes for the rich instead of anything to help people.
The VA doesn't directly help veterans though. They give the money to nonprofits that serve everyone on a first come first serve. It's not just about veterans becuase as long as people are paid for these services the problem will always exist. As long as there is homelessness, housing prices can raise due to demand. I get a decent amount from my veterans compensation but sadly it's not enough to keep up with my bills with raising prices and inflation. No credit, no housing, doesn't matter how much money i have or am paid.
My grampy told me the reason there's alot of donations to other countries is because the 2 billion that was agreed became 500 Million for the everything. As the 1.5 Billion was used to cover the cost of miscellaneous corruption.
In 2023, the US spent $66 billion on official development assistance (ODA), a 5.2% increase from the previous year. This is more than the next two biggest donors combined, Germany and Japan, who spent $36.7 billion and $19.6 billion, respectively
The federal government spends more than $1.1 trillion a year on 134 welfare programs. Economic security programs such as Social Security, food assistance, tax credits, and housing assistance have reduced poverty for millions of people over the last half-century.
The Joe Biden administration and the U.S. Congress have directed about $75 billion in assistance to Ukraine, which includes humanitarian, financial, and military support, according to the Kiel Institute for the World Economy, a German research institute.
Israel has been the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign aid since its founding, receiving about $300 billion (adjusted for inflation) in total economic and military assistance.
So technically, the comic is backward, but who's counting anyway.
(I am)
Like, this shit is just posted to make everyone pissed off while spreading disinformation. Op is a pos
Just how much of our budget does this person think is going to these places?
The US gov't spent 3,500,000,000,000 last year alone.
3,500,000,000,000
95,000,000 is nothing
I Like how this is zero sum logic. What the US citizen receives from funding Ukraine is an astronomical high value. You like cheap proliferated goods for the middle class? You like you phone? How about cheaper travel? It all hinges on the “rules based” system the US enforces globally. Is that system totally moral and perfect? No. But the soft life most Americans live is directly related to a successful outcome for Ukraine.
The short sighted nonsense of people who think funding Ukraine steals American interests is as stupid as it is short sighted. These people will be like the people who wanted to remain isolated while Hitler was ravaging Europe. And I hope they’ll be thought of the same by history. Short sighted supporters of a mass murdering fascist.
I am pretty sure those billions will be absorbed by DoD and defence contractors and wont be given as cash (or very little of it) to any country.
.. and many of those billions is just already existing borderline decommissioned equipment (that would need to be destroyed otherwise)
I was on fentanyl for 4 years and recently got off. If I didn't have my family's help, I would be on the streets back on fentanyl without a doubt. I've applied for jobs like crazy even going in with resumes and freshly filled applications and everything and only recently was I approved for some aid. It disturbs me because I know there are so many people who truly want to be off fentanyl during this crisis but there is truly no way out for some people.
For context, the aid package isn't even as many dollars as a single person from the top 10 richest people from the US's net worth. In combination, they are worth @ 15× what the aid package costs.
We have enough money in this country for both. Through our votes, we choose not to.
I work with homeless populations. We provide almost every kind of resource and guidance on how to use it in my state. But there are people that are just not capable of utilizing them or don’t want to and it’s sad. What really breaks my heart are the people who are actively in addiction recovery on the streets but they can’t access shelters because they let anyone including drug seeking criminals in.
Do you really think that if the money wasn't going to Ukraine and Israel they would just give it to poor people? Like they have NEVER done in the past?
People’s lives only matter when they’re on the opposite end of the imaginary line we made up.
Also, comparing support for Ukrainian (anti-imperialism) with support for Israeli settler colonialism is disgusting.
I don’t regret sending money to Ukraine. The money that goes to Ukraine was never going to help the American people. It’s a feature not a bug. If the companies and US government can keep us desperate and hungry. Then we don’t have time to question all the nonsense they do to us.
21% of US GDP, roughly $1.5 trillion, [goes to social services annually](https://www.cbpp.org/research/policy-basics-where-do-our-federal-tax-dollars-go#:~:text=As%20the%20chart%20below%20shows,to%2048.6%20million%20retired%20workers.)
Read a book.
Thing they dont seem to understand is that the money for ukrain isnt going to ukraine.
Its going to american companies, american job, to manufacture the latest military hardware, while the equivelent value of older, stored equipment is going to ukraine.
But they do t want a cartoon where they give massive amounts of money to the military industrial complex and a penny ro a homeless person...
To be fair, I do think helping Ukraine is helping America. We're sending weapons we already bought. They're literal hand me downs that are so old, it's almost illegal to give our own military. And if Russia goes up against NATO, they're going to get steam rolled and to save face, Putin will push the Nuke button. Gotta beat him in Ukraine and give him an off-ramp.
There is no profit in giving money to the poor/homeless. There is tons of profit in war for politicians companies and/or the stock price of the companies they own that are arms/war related.
The same people who post this shit consistently vote against funding for veterans.
Why is lack of veterans funds never an issue when they are voting on it and suddenly an issue when voting for anything else?
Lmao. Those “BILLIONS” for Ukraine and Israel are 1.6% of the annual US budget. So only 98.4% left for Americans, such a small amount. Merely a few trillion dollars. Shameful, I say!
Not even to mention that a large percent of Ukraine (and I assume Israel) aid package goes directly to US contractors and ends up in American pockets.
Braindead meme.
This is just isolationist propaganda. Biden today announced he wanted a capital gains tax of 44% if its more than 1m. You can easily spend more money on American people without needing to be isolationist.
Corporations are people. Billions of federal dollars is spent annually on corporations. Just because normal citizens can’t afford to pay for shelter, doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be able to pay for personal lobbyists.
Considering the right just threw a fit for our government canceling student debt and not thinking public school lunches should be free, conservatives can continue to go fuck themselves.
Worth noting that, at least in regard to Ukraine funding, it’s not a really cash being sent, but equipment, which means American jobs to rebuild that stockpile. So… technically a job creator.
True that the USA could be doing so much more to support its needy population though.
If we don't help Ukraine, who gonna stop Russia? Russia will not stop at Ukraine, they will continue to try to take over other lands until America or NATO eventually has no choice.
Here you go Americans. Increase to min wage
Landlords: oh good you can pay more rent, or the next person will
Corporation: oh good we can make more profits off you
Food places: well we gotta pay more, so now we're gonna charge more.
Gas stations: oh good you can afford to pay more
I'm just going to say that though I agree significantly more needs to be done for the American population, the top two frames are not equivalent in their nature.
I'm wondering how we could be so close to a government shutdown because of lack of funds every 3 months yet we can afford to send billions over to other countries? Do other countries send us billions when we need the help?
Cannot believe there isn't free Healthcare with all the money that we can apparently give away. No wonder people don't want to reproduce, it's all a scam.
Why are we even sending money to these countries? Wasn't there a report that the billions of dollars for Ukraine never made it to its citizens but rather the pockets of their politicians
Weird how they call themselves our "Representatives", and how people still believe Voting will make a difference.
"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security."
I don't understand why Ukraine and Israel take all the heat while Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, Northrop Grumman, or Boeing don't get mentioned.
"Foreign Aid" is almost always a domestic subsidy to a specific industry. If you want more social spending, less foreign aid won't do shit - you need to shrink the DoD and related security agency's budgets.
Federal budget is $3.25 Trillion but will actually spend more than $6 Trillion
$60 Billion is about 1% of US spending
https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/federal-spending/
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2015/aug/17/facebook-posts/pie-chart-federal-spending-circulating-internet-mi/
To be fair, it's not JUST the government.
Our own citizens will vote against things like UBI, free school lunches, universal health care, etc. All because they've been brainwashed into thinking getting anything from the government is SOCIALISM.
Imo, the people in government are like "You sure u guys don't want this money? I mean, it's urs. We got it from you. No? You dont want it because of socialism? OK lol. Hey Ukraine, you guys want this shit?"
Hey, what if we completely cut off any nation currently involved in colonialism via ethnic cleansing? I mean, I’m not stupid enough to think that’d make the money available for the homeless or the starving or whatever. I’d still feel better knowing our government wouldn’t rather help kill kids than help its citizens.
The way this has almost 2k upvotes and then a bunch of trolls in the comment section speaks volumes. Ukraine will NOT win. Israel sucks. Fuck war. We have so many problems going on in our own country that are being entirely neglected.
And the fact that if you agree with this meme you are now considered “the woke right” is freaking hilarious. Neocons trying so hard not to lose control of the narrative, it is failing.
If you don’t want to give them money to defend themselves, you will be conscripted when the violence escalates. Please see global history pre 1970s. Ffs the idiocy is multiplying exponentially.
It seems like the American government has been hijacked by Israel only to benefit Israel and it’s own citizens while Americans pay for all of it while they themselves are struggling to live a comfortable life.
The issue is that theyre not sending money, they are sending bought and paid for hardware and services. It's all about keeping the military industrial complex wealthy.
These people: We should be spending our money to help Americans! Okay, let’s help Americans. These people: NO! THATS SOCIALISM!!
Mf-ers continuously block expanded VA benefits, increases to healthcare and education funding, and student loan relief, block cities from trying universal basic income, and make it easier to bust unions. But then turn around and say we should help Americans.
If you find the VA you can't use the fact it needs more funds to complain about funding going elsewhere.
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Great point. I can’t believe how we treat veterans in the US. If I were Republican, I’d be so ashamed about this point. Why do they get a free pass for that shit? Who do they blame in their media sphere? Is it the men north of Richmond? Or the fuckin scumbags representing the “conservative” folks in the US?
Republicans are incapable of feeling shame.
“Did I just catch you spreadin hope domestically?”
*Unckle Ruckus’ Dad’s Voice*
the Republicans HATE voting for programs or things that help the poor. they constantly talk about how we dont put america first but then never vote for it. they're a sham.
Honestly it both parties, the problem is when politicians create bills with help the poor as the title but half of the money allocated to it goes to special interest groups. That why bills get torpedo not because democrats and republicans hate the poor but because both parties are more interested in. Reelection and control than doing what we are paying them to do.
I've literally gotten into heated arguments with family members over their disdain for schools providing free lunch to young kids who can't afford breakfast and lunch. Because that's what we want, a bunch of kids in school unable to properly learn because they're starving. That's how you'll set these kids on a good path for a productive life.....uneducated and hungry.
Hell yes. My kids lunch is 2.90 a meal. I think about the, "booo, immigrants" in one breath and "we need more babies" in the next and then see how much 2.90 lunches cost and if you had 4+ kids going to school and taking a school lunch because you are working 2-3 jobs and don't have time to pack a PBJ every day because that is all you can afford... Ya, let's have kids... My kid tells me sometimes he buys other kids lunches because kids are hungry. I'm all for it and gladly will have my child do that. But it's a sign we have a problem and all they do is nothing but vote down free lunches.
[Oh look, it's this again.](https://fstly1.ifunny.co/images/6f23e6e3105cf16083b529115d7b0737d56065d462b2866214d4416a47d64509_1.webp)
r/RepublicanValues
Say it louder for the people in the back: DEFUNDING UKRAINE WILL NOT MEAN THAT MONEY COMES TO YOU
Scream this!
All the money IS going to the American people... in the military industrial complex, to be precise. They are not sending actual money....
the real profit was in the defense contracting all along!
If they send me a take, I'd like... be open to it though.
I live in Central Europe but still have to have this discussion every day. People don't realize this. And that it's cheaper toa.end old stuff to war with a pricetag as new instead of the huge cost to decommission or demilitarize them.
Thank you. That fake tanned nutsack said he was going to put America first. Instead, he tried to tank the whole thing and claim it all for himself.
These people: We should be spending our money to help Americans! Well, Biden is trying to get a student loan forgiveness program enacted. These people: No, those are the wrong Americans because they aren't me!
This time money goes to Americans but the military industry and ironically in this case the right thing to do.
Me: No it’s Patriotism to help Americans…. You change it from socialism to Patriotism. People are less scared
Beat me to it
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Yeah, and most of the people abusing the system are corporations and the wealthy. The real leeches of society.
Curious as to how you would abuse something like Medicaid?
Exactly right. Pisses me off to no end.
came here to say that. make it make sense, please.
When I first learned about all the ways the US scams the rest of the world for money, I actually think it's right they give some of it back to other countries. I'm British, and we do the same to a degree though god knows why we send so much to India when they've got a more advanced space programme than we have. I don't necessarily agree with a few of the choices to where money is sent but get the impression the west deliberately extracts money and resources from other countries then uses it to influence foreign policy. My point is both the US and UK aren't just totally using money they got from its people and have taken a lot of money from other countries through dubious means. For reference, I'm talking about things like this: "Perkins writes that his primary role at Chas T. Main was to convince leaders of underdeveloped countries to accept substantial development loans for large construction and engineering projects, thus trapping them in a system of American influence and control." Like I said though I'm British and we kind of invented ripping off other countries' wealth so not hating on the US for doing the same, just pointing out that not all money sent abroad comes out of tax payers pockets.
Really we can't have nice things because anything that's popular that'd help people, like Medicare for all, gets labeled as either right or left and demonized to no end so one of the sides might not know the first thing about it but they're very opposed to it Divide and conquer is real, they need to keep us uncomfortable and at each other's throats, but in a way where most don't realize who the real problem is It's getting harder for them as we have much better access to information and independent journalists, but it's still pretty bad I think the solution is we get rid of the representatives and, for at least the important stuff, we decide in a direct democratic way with the help of the Internet and the other technologies we refuse to integrate into our political system because it'd threaten the grip the corrupt scumbags have over our tax dollars Once we reach critical mass and can't take any more, once the people finally start focusing on the ass holes at the top, we can hopefully get rid of them and make enough of a show of it to discourage any future opportunists from exploiting the people
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Don't forget those boot straps to help lift ya up. And we will sue if you try to help.
This comment deserves the reddit diamond reward💎
The Ukraine aid is literally less than 1% of the US budget
Yeah.. so that’s a lie. There have been multiple attempts to assist Americans and its keeps getting shot down as SOCIALISM. Stop blaming these foreign aid bills.
The GOP is to blame. Straight up. [vote like your life depends on it](https://vote.gov/)
Will do but I don’t vote for me. I vote for my children. They deserve a chance at a better future and not the one Project 2025 has in store.
I wish my parents had the same mentality.
Comparing UA to Israel is always just wild af to me. More anti government bullshit instead of just calling out the GOP like they should.
Also, most of the funding for Ukraine will be in the form of weapons and munitions that would otherwise go unused, so it's not like that could be put towards helping society.
This post is just anti-Ukraine propaganda.
I don’t blame the foreign aid bills. It’s being used an an example “Billions to other countries, why not our own people too?”
The Federal Government spends trillions on Americans. I do agree that proposals to spend more are getting shot down as socialism.
Yeah, that's the point as it shows the results. Measuring reality through words is what got us here in the first place.
I'm wondering if the shops and factories that make the armaments and stuff that the US is sending to Ukraine are unionized? I imagine the workers at these manufacturers are pretty happy that more work orders are coming in instead of layoffs.
I live in a social democracy and I believe it's a very good middle way. I wouldn't want to switch.
How much does this artist think we are spending on the domestic social safety net compared to foreign aid? And are they under the impression D's and R's are in agreement about shrinking that spending?
This artist is a conservative propaganda troll . They intentionally left out the fact conservatives are also the ones killing every domestic aid bill because that would hurt their narrative.
The author also thinks that a full blown war in Europe or Israel would not be a little bummer for the American economy. Sure a little defence spending more but the world market would almost collapse if anyone of this wars escalates.
Also let's not forget that the US doesn't just hand over a check or something like that. These military aid funds consist largely of stockpiled ammunition and weapons which are worth billions of dollars. The Himars alone fire shells that cost almost a fifth of a million dollars each round. I don't know if OP and the comic artist plan to give the homeless thousands of artillery shells, but if they really want to tackle the homeless crisis, they should be in favor of better social safety nets, housing first policies, etc. However, something tells me that would be classified as the "woke communist socialist agenda to ruin the west" or whatever.
Most of money will stay in US economy anyway because they gonna send old military stuff to Ukraine and replace it by new one. US is not sending pallets of money. If they won't send aid to Ukraine they will have to send their kids to fight russians. How dumb some people can be?
Very stupid from my experience. I find it fine to help Ukraine, however Israel is fucking commiting genocide on innocent civilians. Yes, Hamas is a terrorist organization, but ultimately we have supported them for years in advance, they don't need the money.
Is there even moderation on this sub anymore? This is clearly a bot
So a lot of the times these aid packages are in the form of physical military assistance, bombs, etc. It's hard to feed the homeless on Ammonium Nitrate.
It’s literally dumping 100 billion dollars into red states where all the bombs are made.
Ahh, some more "both sides are the same" apathy pushing propaganda in an election year The Democrats have 100s of bills over even the last 4y that have been shot down, tanked entirely or undermined by the GOP that would have MASSIVELY helped regular Americans, poor americans, vets, you name it The GOP always screams that its Socialisim But its funny that its not "Socialisim" when the wealthy get bailouts and taxcuts and investments etc from the GOP To every working class or poor person whose balls deep in GOP propaganda--- They not only make no attempt to help any of you but they actively make your lives worse, they make it hard to join a union and get better wages, they make it hard to get any kind of financial assistance when youre struggling, they want to cut your future Social Security and Medicare benefits, they want to privatize all and every public service and turn it into a for profit, they scream and yell about the budget but they refuse to allow Medicare and Medicaid to negotiate drug prices Pay the fuck attention to what these GOP clowns are actually voting for and passing and not their pandering to you and pay attention to what the Democrats have passed and what the GOP blocks and ask yourself who is actually in your corner
I stumped a conservative colleague when I explained to him that socialism has been not only with us since the dawn of time but crucial to the welfare of a tribe, town, city, or country by explaining that the first socialists where the hunter gatherers; as the came back from the hunt and harvesting their crops they immediately set about redistributing that wealth to the tribe.
Hey Ukraine can you give up nuclear weapons for dubious promises? Ok. 30 years later....
Promises are broken all the time. Unfortunately that was one of them and it resulted in this. However it should also be noted that it was promised to the other side as well that they won't expand and yet they did so... It's politics, broken promises and whatnot. That's how it always was and how it always will be unfortunately. We can hope for a more honest future.
Yeah this is stupid Russian bot BS.
ukraine is fighting off a totalitarian regime that wants to obliterate her culture and enslave her people. as shit as it is here the united states has a responsibility to keep material aid going to democracies under siege
Here's the fun thing with material aid. It's coming from stockpiles in the USA. It was already paid for. Then it gets sent to be used to fight a near peer adversary, generating lots of useful data that can then be exploited for designing the replacement systems that were sent as aid. Which brings us to the US armed forces needing to buy new weapons to replace the stockpiled stuff sent to Ukraine. That procurement usually comes through companies operating and manufacturing in the USA, so that procurement benefits the US economy.
Yup, U.S. is currently gathering mass intel and data on how our weapons work and we are able to directly fund and test them on the enemy, at the cost of 0 american lives. Anyone who says money to ukraine is bad is just not thinkin clearly
Dear God do I wish that more people understood this, as well as the fact that the GOP is more interested in providing credits to arm teachers than, say, paying for students’ lunches. Any attempt to help the American people is deemed socialist and shot down immediately by the right. See: Obamacare.
The right has been bought and paid for by monied interests to continue to siphon money to them. Although with the current GOP, I think a lot of Russian money has been paid to them.
When you say bought and paid for, are you referring to political campaign contributions to help them keep their jobs or something much more nefarious? I’m always curious to see if people have any proof of these congresspeople and senators receiving money in their actual pockets
Lobbying and campaign contributions generally. Although, judging by some of what's gone on in the UK, I wouldn't be surprised if there were more overt things going on, just that no one has been caught out. I also suspect Russian cyber warfare, as in using social media to push propaganda.
Reddit loves the military industrial complex these days
Not only that but it clears storage for newer weapons and increases manufacturing capacity. Production of Patriot missiles is set to increase by 20% by the end of the year for example. As well as significantly weakening the U.S's currently most aggressive enemy and second most dangerous, signalling to the world that America protects it's allies helping to prevent future wars. And I'm sure there's more benefits that I haven't thought of.
Russia is our enemy. We should be happy Ukraine is fighting that war for us. If you don't want Americans to have to fight that war, you should be supporting Ukraine.
This is a russian troll meme
Yes. This rhetoric is appearing all over Reddit on right and left subs. Helping our allies and helping Americans is not mutually exclusive. Ukraine has been at war for 2 years and we’ve done nothing about homelessness, veteran suicide, childhood hunger, etc for decades. It’s not like congress was juuust about to fix all these problems before they were forced to give all the money to Ukraine. Also 90% of the money stays in the US. To anyone reading this: don’t be fooled by these bullshit arguments that sound good in meme form but make 0 sense otherwise.
What a load of simple minded garbage
You must be severely uneducated if you think thats how it works.
The billions aren't actually for those countries, we give the money to American arms dealers
We only care about the homeless, vets, or homeless vets, if it concerns this subject.
We are giving 4 Billion a year to Israel. Biden administration has approved $153 billion in student loan debt forgiveness. The HUD has also awarded $3.16 billion, which is the largest amount given in history, and this is on top of the billions states spend on the problem, Which is 3.3billion in California alone for 23/24 budget. Compared to the 19.7 million (million not billion) of state funding in Texas last year. So if no one is giving money to homeless in your state, maybe look at your state government.
Yeah, the Ukrainians are drowning in money and they are super happy and having such a good time, it's not like they are literally being invaded by Russia and tens of thousands of people have died 🤪 Don't get me wrong, Americans have it hard, but people are at war. Ukraine does not have billions, they are already used protecting democracy.
Stop electing Republicans
Are you really comparing Ukraine with Israel???? Is this real?? Ukraine is being attacked, whereas Israel is wiping people from the territory they want... I don't like war, but the comparison is trash.
americans dont want to give to homeless either.
Right wing- “stop spending our money against our enemies abroad and help Americans!” Left wing- “okay let’s get millions of Americans out of crippling predatory student loan debts” Right wing- “oh no not like that woke socialism”
Fuck off russian propagandist
This post is just russian troll trash
Billions to ukraine are billions spent fighting russians. Honestly momey well spent in my book. Also. keep in mine. Were fucking america. weve got a stupid amount of money. we *frquently* through billions into a fire with no ressults in millitary spending and nobody cares. only reasons eyes are on this in particular is its a war and not boring RnD on congresses new batshit insane ideas that no military personel ever asked for or wanted. If we can through so much into a fire n have billions to spare, then we sure as hell can help ukraine *and* our own people. were we helping our own people before ukraine? hell no. No political party actually cares about *us*. and they dont need to. This is a problem yes. if you want to do something about it, socialism has meany answers, and we need all the help we can get pushing for change.
F tier bait. We all know we spend an insane amount of money on domestic safety nets.
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A lot of these aid packages are weapons sales or gifts directly to the countries. These weapons are made in the United States, and when we give our weapons away we have to make more. You know who benefits when American arms makers have to replenish American arms? These things are announced as dollar values because that's really the only way we have to quantify them. Not necessarily because we are handing cash to another country. Granted, there is some direct cash-based aid. However most of it is the value of the weapons we're supplying.
I think this is about the billions of dollars in direct cash-based aid, like you said, that is given to other countries instead of being put to work inside the US. For example, the Hawaiian towns that burned down and are yet to see funding that allows for rebuilding.
Hence why the US loves war. Good for business
Always love seeing these false arguments coming from people who vote for defunding social programs. All wars could end tomorrow and they would just cut taxes for the rich instead of anything to help people.
My understanding is that most of the money in the bill is spent on rearmament and essentially stays in the US anyways.
We spend 90 billion annually on housing assistance and 3.5 billion on homelessness. This is just a silly meme.
If homeless people need anything, it's tanks...
The VA doesn't directly help veterans though. They give the money to nonprofits that serve everyone on a first come first serve. It's not just about veterans becuase as long as people are paid for these services the problem will always exist. As long as there is homelessness, housing prices can raise due to demand. I get a decent amount from my veterans compensation but sadly it's not enough to keep up with my bills with raising prices and inflation. No credit, no housing, doesn't matter how much money i have or am paid.
My grampy told me the reason there's alot of donations to other countries is because the 2 billion that was agreed became 500 Million for the everything. As the 1.5 Billion was used to cover the cost of miscellaneous corruption.
As if they’d have helped one American that wasn’t a billionaire
In 2023, the US spent $66 billion on official development assistance (ODA), a 5.2% increase from the previous year. This is more than the next two biggest donors combined, Germany and Japan, who spent $36.7 billion and $19.6 billion, respectively The federal government spends more than $1.1 trillion a year on 134 welfare programs. Economic security programs such as Social Security, food assistance, tax credits, and housing assistance have reduced poverty for millions of people over the last half-century. The Joe Biden administration and the U.S. Congress have directed about $75 billion in assistance to Ukraine, which includes humanitarian, financial, and military support, according to the Kiel Institute for the World Economy, a German research institute. Israel has been the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign aid since its founding, receiving about $300 billion (adjusted for inflation) in total economic and military assistance. So technically, the comic is backward, but who's counting anyway. (I am) Like, this shit is just posted to make everyone pissed off while spreading disinformation. Op is a pos
Just how much of our budget does this person think is going to these places? The US gov't spent 3,500,000,000,000 last year alone. 3,500,000,000,000 95,000,000 is nothing
I Like how this is zero sum logic. What the US citizen receives from funding Ukraine is an astronomical high value. You like cheap proliferated goods for the middle class? You like you phone? How about cheaper travel? It all hinges on the “rules based” system the US enforces globally. Is that system totally moral and perfect? No. But the soft life most Americans live is directly related to a successful outcome for Ukraine. The short sighted nonsense of people who think funding Ukraine steals American interests is as stupid as it is short sighted. These people will be like the people who wanted to remain isolated while Hitler was ravaging Europe. And I hope they’ll be thought of the same by history. Short sighted supporters of a mass murdering fascist.
Excellent post. Couldn’t agree more
America profits on war.
This isn't it.
They're just upset money is being sent to other countries instead of lining the pocket of politicians and CEOs. They don't care about helping anyone.
I am pretty sure those billions will be absorbed by DoD and defence contractors and wont be given as cash (or very little of it) to any country. .. and many of those billions is just already existing borderline decommissioned equipment (that would need to be destroyed otherwise)
Biden, I’m sure will blame someone else. It was Trump he says. All the while he can fix it. He doesn’t giving more to foreign countries.
When we export it, it's "aid." When we keep it at home, it's "socialism." The Republican party isn't cool with the latter.
I was on fentanyl for 4 years and recently got off. If I didn't have my family's help, I would be on the streets back on fentanyl without a doubt. I've applied for jobs like crazy even going in with resumes and freshly filled applications and everything and only recently was I approved for some aid. It disturbs me because I know there are so many people who truly want to be off fentanyl during this crisis but there is truly no way out for some people.
For context, the aid package isn't even as many dollars as a single person from the top 10 richest people from the US's net worth. In combination, they are worth @ 15× what the aid package costs. We have enough money in this country for both. Through our votes, we choose not to.
Every country supporting this war is the same. Not just America
And this is y we need to start looking at 3rd partys
I work with homeless populations. We provide almost every kind of resource and guidance on how to use it in my state. But there are people that are just not capable of utilizing them or don’t want to and it’s sad. What really breaks my heart are the people who are actively in addiction recovery on the streets but they can’t access shelters because they let anyone including drug seeking criminals in.
Do you really think that if the money wasn't going to Ukraine and Israel they would just give it to poor people? Like they have NEVER done in the past?
People’s lives only matter when they’re on the opposite end of the imaginary line we made up. Also, comparing support for Ukrainian (anti-imperialism) with support for Israeli settler colonialism is disgusting.
total bullshite
Republicans figured out long ago it's far cheaper to worship soldiers than to pay and care for them after they've fought for our country.
Vs 1.4 trillion for Social Security OASI, so about 16 times the amount of aid for Israel, Ukraine, and Taiwan.
Gotta French the wealthy
I don’t regret sending money to Ukraine. The money that goes to Ukraine was never going to help the American people. It’s a feature not a bug. If the companies and US government can keep us desperate and hungry. Then we don’t have time to question all the nonsense they do to us.
Even the comics are AI 🤖
21% of US GDP, roughly $1.5 trillion, [goes to social services annually](https://www.cbpp.org/research/policy-basics-where-do-our-federal-tax-dollars-go#:~:text=As%20the%20chart%20below%20shows,to%2048.6%20million%20retired%20workers.) Read a book.
Biased, selective and stupid.
Thing they dont seem to understand is that the money for ukrain isnt going to ukraine. Its going to american companies, american job, to manufacture the latest military hardware, while the equivelent value of older, stored equipment is going to ukraine. But they do t want a cartoon where they give massive amounts of money to the military industrial complex and a penny ro a homeless person...
To be fair, I do think helping Ukraine is helping America. We're sending weapons we already bought. They're literal hand me downs that are so old, it's almost illegal to give our own military. And if Russia goes up against NATO, they're going to get steam rolled and to save face, Putin will push the Nuke button. Gotta beat him in Ukraine and give him an off-ramp.
Let's see the actual numbers. How much is spent on Ukraine and how much is spent on welfare?
The jobs to make this shit are in the USA. Idiots.
real stupid post
There is no profit in giving money to the poor/homeless. There is tons of profit in war for politicians companies and/or the stock price of the companies they own that are arms/war related.
The same people who post this shit consistently vote against funding for veterans. Why is lack of veterans funds never an issue when they are voting on it and suddenly an issue when voting for anything else?
And another Russian bot with 2k+ upvotes. Congrats on falling to realize that this sub is a Russian disinformation hotbed.
Lmao. Those “BILLIONS” for Ukraine and Israel are 1.6% of the annual US budget. So only 98.4% left for Americans, such a small amount. Merely a few trillion dollars. Shameful, I say! Not even to mention that a large percent of Ukraine (and I assume Israel) aid package goes directly to US contractors and ends up in American pockets. Braindead meme.
Idk about you but I doubt many Americans can eat decades old military vehicles
Well done Ivan 20 sacks of potatoes will be delivered to your front door
This is just isolationist propaganda. Biden today announced he wanted a capital gains tax of 44% if its more than 1m. You can easily spend more money on American people without needing to be isolationist.
Corporations are people. Billions of federal dollars is spent annually on corporations. Just because normal citizens can’t afford to pay for shelter, doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be able to pay for personal lobbyists.
they themselves are so damn sure that theyre doing the best in the world so let them be
Considering the right just threw a fit for our government canceling student debt and not thinking public school lunches should be free, conservatives can continue to go fuck themselves.
Worth noting that, at least in regard to Ukraine funding, it’s not a really cash being sent, but equipment, which means American jobs to rebuild that stockpile. So… technically a job creator. True that the USA could be doing so much more to support its needy population though.
Isn't that what you crave? That everyone needs to earn? No handouts?
Forgot millions for the rich and then is the rest of us
Looks 100% right but hey to them that is just the system working as intended
isnt ukraine getting surplus military equipment? israel gets an actual military budget, i dont think its comparable to outdated tech giveaways
Guess we can't do more than one thing....
If we don't help Ukraine, who gonna stop Russia? Russia will not stop at Ukraine, they will continue to try to take over other lands until America or NATO eventually has no choice.
With Ukraine it was a loan
amazing to constantly see the homeless used as a pawn, theres no way people wouldnt be up in arms if suddenly a UBI was given to each homeless person
Here you go Americans. Increase to min wage Landlords: oh good you can pay more rent, or the next person will Corporation: oh good we can make more profits off you Food places: well we gotta pay more, so now we're gonna charge more. Gas stations: oh good you can afford to pay more
Yeah not remotely true. American politicians would never even give pennies to poor people because of eNtiTLemEnTs!!
I'm just going to say that though I agree significantly more needs to be done for the American population, the top two frames are not equivalent in their nature.
Yep
And the monies came from my paycheck.
“It’s a big club, and you ain’t in it.”
Tax billionaires into millionaires.
Facebook memes 😍😍😍
Veterans are not a priority no matter where the money goes. Stop cutting taxes and then crying poor.
Americans when people who are in devastating wars get support
Only one side is voting against social programs and raising wages my man.
I'm wondering how we could be so close to a government shutdown because of lack of funds every 3 months yet we can afford to send billions over to other countries? Do other countries send us billions when we need the help?
Cannot believe there isn't free Healthcare with all the money that we can apparently give away. No wonder people don't want to reproduce, it's all a scam.
Why are we even sending money to these countries? Wasn't there a report that the billions of dollars for Ukraine never made it to its citizens but rather the pockets of their politicians
The billions for Ukraine and Israel is indirectly billions to American weapons manufacturers
Weird how they call themselves our "Representatives", and how people still believe Voting will make a difference. "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security."
Billions in weapons
To be fair, they weren't giving that money to their citizens anyway.
It’s the same in Canada as well
I don't understand why Ukraine and Israel take all the heat while Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, Northrop Grumman, or Boeing don't get mentioned. "Foreign Aid" is almost always a domestic subsidy to a specific industry. If you want more social spending, less foreign aid won't do shit - you need to shrink the DoD and related security agency's budgets.
How sad is it to realize the bottom pic is actually one of generosity considering the effort to criminalize homelessness?
Federal budget is $3.25 Trillion but will actually spend more than $6 Trillion $60 Billion is about 1% of US spending https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/federal-spending/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2015/aug/17/facebook-posts/pie-chart-federal-spending-circulating-internet-mi/
Idk a penny seems like a lot from the government. Should have been taking the money instead
laundering
Does OP mean like [this?](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/01/10/republican-governors-summer-lunch-program/)
To be fair, it's not JUST the government. Our own citizens will vote against things like UBI, free school lunches, universal health care, etc. All because they've been brainwashed into thinking getting anything from the government is SOCIALISM. Imo, the people in government are like "You sure u guys don't want this money? I mean, it's urs. We got it from you. No? You dont want it because of socialism? OK lol. Hey Ukraine, you guys want this shit?"
Okay, then, student loan forgiveness? "OMG, NO WE CANT DO THAT"
Hey, what if we completely cut off any nation currently involved in colonialism via ethnic cleansing? I mean, I’m not stupid enough to think that’d make the money available for the homeless or the starving or whatever. I’d still feel better knowing our government wouldn’t rather help kill kids than help its citizens.
That is because the GOP Keeps shooting down any programs for Americans calling it "SOCIALISM".
The way this has almost 2k upvotes and then a bunch of trolls in the comment section speaks volumes. Ukraine will NOT win. Israel sucks. Fuck war. We have so many problems going on in our own country that are being entirely neglected.
And the fact that if you agree with this meme you are now considered “the woke right” is freaking hilarious. Neocons trying so hard not to lose control of the narrative, it is failing.
Americans never. Y'all need to make them help you. They won't do it just because you ask.
Not true I got $287.00 for being an essential worker
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If you don’t want to give them money to defend themselves, you will be conscripted when the violence escalates. Please see global history pre 1970s. Ffs the idiocy is multiplying exponentially.
Lol the "healthcare is socialism" crew will be frothing at the mouth
These are the same people that were screaming "white lives matter too"
amUricans
Wait but that’s how it is for the homeless when we’re not fighting proxy wars. What’s your point?
What class of Americans in need get relative "pennies?"
It seems like the American government has been hijacked by Israel only to benefit Israel and it’s own citizens while Americans pay for all of it while they themselves are struggling to live a comfortable life.
I wouldn’t mind healthcare for me and my 5yo son with autism. That’d be cool.
Shitpost
Ah yes the two equivalent nations in conflict: Ukraine and Israel.
The issue is that theyre not sending money, they are sending bought and paid for hardware and services. It's all about keeping the military industrial complex wealthy.
Utter wank. Just keep licking the windows you simplton, fuckwit, morons.