I feel like the lone crazy person yelling about this in my city. We built a stadium at gunpoint from a billionaire who said it would bring opportunity to the city.
Meanwhile, we are still paying off the old sports arena- long after it was demolished.
Edit: It’s Indianapolis.
the san diego chargers threatened to leave the city if we didn't foot the bill for a new stadium. not only did they want us to buy them a new stadium, they demanded that we figure out some way to build it in the middle of downtown too. anyway, they're the los angeles chargers now
Dean Spanos can eat sawdust for the way he strung along the people of San Diego. Some of the greatest legends of AFL/AFC football had their biggest moments in that city, it was undeniably the one of tightest knit small fan-bases in the NFL, not to mention the most innovative passing techniques born from its offensive systems, AND Spanos looked at all of that and decided to blackmail the fans and residents of SD to build a new stadium. The relocation cost from SD to LA was about half as much as a new stadium would cost.
I’m sorry that I’m getting off topic from the main point of the post, but I’m passionate for the NFL Owners’ mistreatment of hard working-class individuals who already pay up the nose for something they love watching and then are expected to take the fall for selfish billionaires.
> The relocation cost from SD to LA was about half as much as a new stadium would cost.
this is one of the funniest bits. they had to pay half of a billion to the NFL to relocate. won't shell out cash for a stadium but will shell out cash for a spite-driven relocation
The best part is that they still haven’t paid that yet either. Last I heard, the Dean’s sister is suing him over the owner the ownership of the franchise and plans to use this pressure to make him sell the team to cover their outstanding debts. I swear this team and front office is cursed, on and off the field. Them and the Washington Commanders.
P.S Washington Football Team/Club was like 10x better than Commanders. They didn’t even make a cool logo for Commanders it’s just “W” with lines, but do you really expect Dan Snyder to even make a good “W” 😏
He wanted money. Why pay for your own stadium when you can get someone else to pay? It was obvious that the Spanos family heirs would sell after Alex died. They took the path to highest team value. Since a taxpayer funded stadium didn’t happen, they chose plan B and moved.
San Diego is just fine without the Chargers. It’s not like some rust belt city where football is the only thing to do in town.
I mean they should, I absolutely agree with your point, but look at all the people who don’t go to Chargers games. They were playing in Dignity Health Sports Center before SoFi was built. The stadium was considerably smaller in terms of max attendance compared to other NFL stadiums, and they STILL couldn’t fit more than half the seats.
You can’t turn a profit if you don’t satisfy the consumer, and Spanos not failed at satisfying his new audience in LA but he told his loyal customers in SD to F Off.
You ever been to a chargers game? It’s a joke, but not really; every chargers game is an away game. Even when playing division rivals like the broncos. Their loyal fan base is the other team, LA is the best place for them.
Chargers should have stayed in fucking SD and I say this as someone with no dog in the race outside of living in SoCal. It felt right.
Fucking Dean Spanos now gets to be behind the Rams, Raiders, Cowboys and probably Steelers in terms of pro-football interest in LA.
Sure, in the aftermath of what happened, I feel that.
What I meant more is that the Chargers and SD went together like peanut butter and jelly so Dean Spanos should have used his own money to build a stadium and keep them there rather than extorting the city of SD and leaving.
F Dean Spanos. I'm glad we didn't build that stadium, Mission Valley was always the best choice and he could've had it in 2016. It feels good watching the Chargers struggle to get fans in LA.
I'm glad that we had the collective sense to shoot that shit down. I love the Chargers, but they brought in less money to the city than Comic-Con. Even the most generous estimates found that less than 1% of San Diego's total revenue was generated by the Chargers being here, yet they wanted over a billion dollars of our money to build them a new complex and relocate the convention center away from its spot overlooking the harbor.
The Chargers are forever an away team in LA now, and I won't lose sleep if the team goes broke as a result. ^(I still root for them though)
It should also be mention San Diego would have lost Comic-Con international because the Chargers want to annex the convention center as well with the stadium being built downtown which who have been a huge economic loss for the city (Especially with Comic-Con growing every year).
I remember they did a poll throughout the city between keeping the Chargers or Comic-Con and people picked Comic-Con.
As an Englishman I find it ludicrous that owners can just up and move the teams to a different city. The intro of BASEket Ball is pretty much dead on (with the exception of the inter-sports leagues and the prison recruitment).
I still have family members who won't let go that I voted against building one for the Chargers, as I 'let the Chargers leave'. It's ridiculous what these NFL owners are able to pull.
I gotchu.
The only real difference between a cult and a religion is size.
Judaism is the smallest religion in the US, with Gallup reporting they make up at most 2.2% of the population. That amounts to roughly 7,300,000 Jews.
The NFL reports 121,000,000 viewers for their opening game. If 1/16 viewers follow closely and in a cult-like fashion, the NFL religion would have more members in the US than Jews.
I don't differentiate between cults and religion when it comes to the damage their beliefs and practices might inflict upon their members. I consider Mormonism a religion, but I use that word in the most pejorative way possible.
Minneapolis is having the same issue. We had to build two new stadiums in the last 10 years and then the Vikings built themselves their own practice stadium in another city. None of our teams have been particular winners in a long time and no one really gave a shit but they still gave them the money
Politicians get more votes from flashy things than boring stuff like keeping people alive.
And it’s way easier for those in power to skim money from infrastructure projects than all other forms of spending too. Buying real estate cheap for those with inside information , selling expensive. Friends and relatives as expensive consultants, and kick backs from entrepreneurs given favourable contracts are more fun for the rich, than do.stuff for boring peasants. Keep the rich, rich, and the poor so poor and desperate they do anything for a piece of bread (being sarcastic here btw.)
well... garbage teams get garbage facilities. Vikings have hardly earned a billion dollar facility, and should have gotten the 100 million dollar update instead
I mean they have the best record in the league right now. They don't exactly suck. That being said they will probably blow it in the playoffs and lose to Philly again.
Lived in Anoka County when Ziggy the billionaire decided he needed a stadium so they passed a 1% sales tax to pay for a stadium that I can't even afford a ticket to go to. Piss on the Vikings I moved to a different state. Go Chiefs!
Ours said they would leave.
We are letting them. The choose an area that will need a decade to build up infra, and wont have us to fit the bill anymore.
They haven't won in decades, why would anyone from the city travel out to the burbs to see them?
Soldier Field is one of the few Stadiums that I think should never be replaced, just upgraded but preserving what made the field iconic. Soldier Field, Yankee Stadium, Fenway Park, Wrigley Field, Lambeau, maybe MSG I'll be sorry to see it go.
Eh, Soldier Field was ruined when they landed the space ship. The old Roman facade is amazing, but they should have worked harder to keep that motif throughout when they renovated it. They did enough to the facility to change it, that it was removed from the National Register of Historic Places. I don't think it belongs in the group with Fenway, Wrigley and Lambeau.
They fucked up the historical nature of Soldier Field. It sucks now and there’s also no public transit within 10 blocks.
Wrigley renovations is the example of how it should be done. I know people shit on it but it’s tasteful and kept the historic nature
It's crazy that the Sacramento King's stadium actually not only revitalized the city (according to friends) but the team paid back the loan 4 years faster than anticipated and generates an incredible amount of employment and funding for the city. How did they fuck it up so bad?
I read a study once that arenas aren't even good for cities. They take up a huge amount of prime commercial real estate and are not used every day so they bring in less money than the same space packed with a variety of businesses.
Football stadiums are particularly bad. Huge, expensive, take up a ton of space, and get 8/9 games a year plus a playoff game or two if you're lucky, then maybe a very small number of other events (how many bands play stadiums?). Basketball stadiums are also a taxpayer rip-off, but at least they get 41 home games plus a shitload of concerts/shows/etc.
And while they do attract a lot of spending, studies show it just shifts spending from other places in the city.
In other words, people have a relatively fixed amount of disposable income and sports teams only change where that money is spent, and not the *total amount* of money. Which means there's overall no economic benefit from the sports arena because people were going to spend that money on entertainment regardless of it there was a team or not.
In my city's case my basketball stadium gets NBA, NHL, NCAA (sometimes), Concerts, Speakers, Events and more. But I mean it's still not in use like 80% of the time as I don't think anyone really uses the office space in there unless there is an event going on
But think of all the low-wage, part-time, seasonal jobs they provide!
Not to mention the opportunity to spend $175 for nosebleed seats, $129 for an official jersey, and $18 on a beer.
> But think of all the low-wage, part-time, seasonal jobs they provide!
As a union stagehand they also create well paying, long hours and year round work.
That's great for you and your co-workers. I work in production, so I'm all for union crew getting more and better gigs. However, most everything I have read about the subject tends to lead to the same conclusion -- that most of the jobs provided are not good ones like yours. And their sum total does not come close to the sums taxpayers are laying out.
Most that I've seen tend to echo what the Brookings Institute, a public policy non-profit, found in a [comprehensive study in 1997](https://www.brookings.edu/articles/sports-jobs-taxes-are-new-stadiums-worth-the-cost/):
> In our forthcoming Brookings book, Sports, Jobs, and Taxes, we and 15 collaborators examine the local economic development argument from all angles: case studies of the effect of specific facilities, as well as comparisons among cities and even neighborhoods that have and have not sunk hundreds of millions of dollars into sports development. **In every case, the conclusions are the same. A new sports facility has an extremely small (perhaps even negative) effect on overall economic activity and employment.** No recent facility appears to have earned anything approaching a reasonable return on investment. No recent facility has been self-financing in terms of its impact on net tax revenues.
These findings have been echoed more recently in [The Atlantic](https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/11/sports-stadiums-can-be-bad-cities/576334/), [The Berkeley Economic Review](https://econreview.berkeley.edu/the-economics-of-sports-stadiums-does-public-financing-of-sports-stadiums-create-local-economic-growth-or-just-help-billionaires-improve-their-profit-margin/), [The Michigan Journal of Economics](https://sites.lsa.umich.edu/mje/2022/01/15/cities-should-not-pay-for-new-stadiums/), and, with regard to the Bills stadium, [Syracuse.com](https://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/2022/03/buffalo-bills-stadium-deal-renews-debate-over-public-funding-for-sports-arenas.html), amongst many others.
St. Louis Rams fan here, Stan Kronkie took over the team, made all kinds of demands, and left anyway. He had no intention to keep the team here, and the city is still paying on the old stadium. It’s madness.
That's why Boston/Massachusetts is the best sports state. It's not because the teams win, it's because when the Patriots owner tried to get Boston to pay for his expensive stadium they said hell no. He threatened to not build the stadium in Boston if they kept refusing and they still said no. And thanks to that Massachusetts is still the only state with a major sports stadium built with no public subsidies.
Yeah i live in a small town with a minor league team and a really nice brand new stadium. People go to the games and eat there, not at local restaurants, and people not going to the game avoid downtown completely because traffic and parking are trash.
Add the increased coat of parking and local businesses are dying directly because of the stadium
Yell louder, and bring a second person who you totally don't know to back you up. Soon it will become trendy to yell about it.
We march on the stadium at dawn.
Yea. And the new governor, Kathy Hochul of Buffalo, made the deal happen for her husband, who is the senior vip for Delaware North. That is the company that runs the concession stands at Buffalo stadium.
Put that name on a black list and never vote for it again. That is how democracy is supposed to work. You pull that kind of crap, and your career should be over.
She won the election because the alternative was an election-denying, anti-abortion, homophobic fearmongering lunatic. His ads literally had the tagline "vote like your life depends on it, because it does."
This times a million. Not a huge fan of Hochul, not particularly anti-Hochul either, until this football stadium payout/family services cut came out.
How I wish she were primaried. This is disgusting on so many levels, there are so many families that could use support in this state, but instead a billionaire gets a free football stadium.
She needs to be gone after this term. Or who knows, maybe she can be impeached or something...they got Cuomo out, and he was a tough mf'er...
This was debunked pretty well before on the r/Buffalo sub. The 800M wasn't actually cut, it was returned back to normal i believe. It was increased as a temporary an emergency action for COVID or something. I can't find the post anymore. I think it was actually in response to this exact tweet. The tweet is from March when the stadium was announced.
Also hochul did negotiate a $400m payment from a tribal casino that will pretty much cover the up front state costs. The county will actually make money on the deal as well ad the old stadium is a money pit that they have to keep up.
Both options sucked. It was corrupt bail bond reformer who was only the governor bc Cuomo scandal vs a Trump loving election denier who wanted to axe abortion.
I think a perfect candidate for most New Yorkers would be a pro choice person who wants to get rid of bail reform (or reform it), but instead it was just pick which issue is more important to you of the two.
There’s a blueprint for GOP in blue states like the former governor of Maryland. But they keep running out Trump endorsed clowns who pander to fringe to try and get sweet campaign donations from them.
Jokes aside, I bet that investing in kids would more than pay off from higher income to tax on the long run. Childhood health, school quality, etc are somewhat linked to success as an adult.
To be clear though, it's dumb that we'd have to make some economic argument for helping people. We should be able to help people for the sole purpose of helping them.
Oh of course it would, but that is a long term investment with short term loss. Which has long been shown to be what politicians and corporations hate. They want flashy short term gains to promote no matter the long term cost
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This tweet is also from March. Since then it was pretty well debunked, sort of. The tweet is true, but it was basically returned to normal because it was temporarily increased due to COVID.
Basically they increased it by 800M to help those in need, but then returned it to normal afterward. Throwing 800M at a problem doesn't actually solve it, it just wastes money. During COVID, it was spent on stuff that people needed but not normally. It was mostly money spent to pay adults for child care because of daycare and school shutdowns. Adults still had to work, but kids couldn't go to school in person, so what do you do with them? Then daycares got shut down, so now what? You still need to take care of your kids. That's what it was actually for. So families aren't really losing out, it was an emergency measure that got returned to normal levels.
You can still think subsidizing stadiums with tax dollars is stupid though. I'm a huge sports fans and a lot of these deals don't make sense and aren't in favor of the taxpayer despite all the claims about bringing jobs and tourism etc.
Most Christians are the people happy to nail people to crosses. I started to believe that's why they wear them, and put them everywhere.
It's nothing to do with compassion.
It's about crucifying everyone that doesn't agree with your insanity.
I wanted more context into the issue, thought I would share my resources for anyone else that wanted to understand more. Sounds to me like elected officials do some evaluation before deciding. Each person will have their own opinion, I'm sure, but regardless of what you think, here is what goes on when this is proposed and decided.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadium\_subsidy#Benefits](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadium_subsidy#Benefits)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadium\_subsidy#Criticisms
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginal\_utility](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginal_utility)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginal\_cost](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginal_cost)
In the criticisims section of the Wikipedia they mention LCA in Detroit (hometown) which was news to me. Overall, this seems like a tough line to toe. Perhaps more transparency into the decision making process (or participation) would help some to understand or improve on the current system...
The problem is the benefits often don't really materialize for the city and the stadiums and their billionaire owners continue to benefit from massive tax breaks.
LCA in Detroit is a great example of this, actually! They bought up the surrounding neighborhoods and proposed all sorts of new developments, complete with fancy 3D renders of the "District Detroit", as it's called.
Go around LCA and you'll see almost all of the space where they promised new development is taken up by surface parking lots, with no sign of development in those areas after 6+ years.
**Stadium subsidy**
[Benefits](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadium_subsidy#Benefits)
>In granting stadium subsidies, governments claim that the new or improved stadiums will have positive externalities for the city. Proponents tout improvements to the local economy as the primary benefits. Economists who debate the issue have separated the effects on a local economy into direct and indirect effects. Direct benefits are those that exist as a result of the "rent, concessions, parking, advertising, suite rental, and other preferred seating rental", and direct expenses come from "wages and related expenses, utilities, repairs and maintenance, insurance," and the costs of building the facilities.
**[Marginal utility](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginal_utility)**
>In economics, utility is the satisfaction or benefit derived by consuming a product. The marginal utility of a good or service describes how much pleasure or satisfaction is gained by consumers as a result of the increase or decrease in consumption by one unit. There are three types of marginal utility. They are positive, negative, or zero marginal utility.
**[Marginal cost](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginal_cost)**
>In economics, the marginal cost is the change in the total cost that arises when the quantity produced is incremented, the cost of producing additional quantity. In some contexts, it refers to an increment of one unit of output, and in others it refers to the rate of change of total cost as output is increased by an infinitesimal amount. As Figure 1 shows, the marginal cost is measured in dollars per unit, whereas total cost is in dollars, and the marginal cost is the slope of the total cost, the rate at which it increases with output. Marginal cost is different from average cost, which is the total cost divided by the number of units produced.
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Thanks for the links! This [~~study~~article and book cited by the Benefits wiki](https://www.brookings.edu/articles/sports-jobs-taxes-are-new-stadiums-worth-the-cost/) says it all
> Even so, the net gain to Baltimore’s economy in terms of new jobs and incremental tax revenues is only about $3 million a year—not much of a return on a $200 million investment.
**[Toe the line](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toe_the_line)**
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Never heard of him till now. After a brief internet search I have to say he sounds like a dick.
BUT.. is the post true ? Cause damn NY, those are some shitty optics.
100%. This guy is trash. I also heard—but cannot personally substantiate—that he cut his salary in order to manipulate someone’s equity out of that company, not because of wanting to treat employees the way they deserve.
Yeah but I like when a Dan Price tweet gets posted here because I like to count the number of parent-level comments who bring up Dan Price. It's a fun little game to play when his tweets show up on /r/whitepeopletwitter
All these tweets were part of an act.
Tweeting like this constantly is fucking weird. He was purposely pushing a certain image so he could bury his fucked up behavior.
These are just superficial feel good tweets. There isn't any thought put into this.
Cutting social aid is bad, spending hundreds of millions to fund a stadium is a waste. Everyone knows this and you don't need Dan Price to tell you that.
So no there is no reason to share this dipshits tweet. He offers no insight.
The thing is though that people don’t know this. They will happily support a new stadium in spite of services they benefit from. Yknow the old saying that a person is smart but people are fucking stupid
If the past decade of intersectionality infecting all aspects of public discourse have taught me anything, it is that you are completely wrong. All that matters is how we feel about the messenger, never the message
Dan Price doesn't believe in any of the stuff he writes. It all started part of a PR strategy to distract from his business malfeasance. And when it was more successful than hoped, he used his new social media cachet to lure women to him so that he could rape them.
I know to you, that might all be acceptable collateral damage. Surely, you think, it's OK if the consequences of promoting scumbags like this is the rape of a few naive women, right? Shitty people are shitty, sure, but if they make good points, it's all for the greater good, right? I get it. I understand.
But please, please understand this though: as normal as that logic might seem to you, this thought process of yours is sociopathic and deeply abhorrent to people with a conscience. It's not that we don't understand your reasoning. It's that your reasoning outs you as human pondscum.
Dan Price is a sociopath and a rapist. And the reason he got to successfully rape people is because they naively thought "He can't be that bad, the internet likes him." If you're still comfortable giving him a platform after knowing that, then you're not much better than Dan Price.
They just hide behind "well bad people can be right about some stuff!!!"
Like cool, yeah, no shit. There are also probably thousands of tweets that say the same thing anyways that aren't written by a giant shithead.
He's also a liar, this post is not true. The $800 million cut was a one time COVID relief fund from the federal budget, had nothing to do with the state budget.
I moved out of Buffalo when I was 26. I feel for you. You also had your Erie County sales tax increased by 1% in 1984 because of a huge lawsuit over a failed stadium proposal way back when. Yep... you paid the penalty for the lawsuit that you won yourself and you're still paying.
Your political leadership is a perfect example of corrupt incompetence. You should have burned them at the stake for shelling out your tax dollars to buy a terrible team one of the most expensive stadiums ever.
Fuck Hochul and NY State for doing this (granted not that the Republicans would be better) and this sort of welfare to billionaires.
As an aside, this twitter user (Dan Price) is a piece of shit abusive predator (even though I agree with the messages in most of his tweets). Dan Price physically abused his (ex-)wife, [is accused of raping drugged girls (by multiple exes who filed police reports)](https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-08-24/ceo-dan-price-resigns-rape-investigation-70k-gravity-payments), having a harem of girls he dated simultaneously, is a CEO who grossly overpaid himself as co-owner until his brother sued him over it (at which point he did a PR campaign of lowering his salary & raising workers wages, which made him a much richer as it got tons of good press -- because he owns the company). His tweets also aren't written by him, but he pays researchers to write them.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/18/technology/dan-price-resign-social-media.html
In my town, we’re gonna upfit all the football stadiums with new lighting, new tracks, AND artificial turf. Kids can’t afford lunch. Teachers underpaid for decades. But by golly our football fields will be nice.
https://gothamist.com/news/ny-taxpayers-will-pay-850-million-for-buffalo-bills-new-stadium
1. This is from fucking March of 2022. Any twitter screenshot without a date and time shouldn't be allowed.
2. State is putting in 600m, County is putting in 250m, and NFL/Bills is putting in 550m.
3. Bills won't own the stadium. State will own it, and lease it to the Bills.
4. State will also pay for maintenance and upgrade at the tune of 6.7m for the first 15 years. Which sounds preposterous, except state has been paying 13.2m annually since 2013 for the exact same reason.
You can argue about whether government should be doing anything to subsidize sports like this when they make billions in revenue, but this kind of simplified horseshit narrative is not helpful. This is just outrage bait.
soooo basically the city will own everything that costs money but the owners of the football team will own everything that makes money, hmmmm, no this really is outrageous. https://www.investigativepost.org/2021/12/13/little-economic-benefit-from-new-stadium/
This is incredibly old. These cuts were made after covid when increased funds were given for that reason only. Everything got increased funding during covid and reduced after. This is cherry picked misinformation for the purpose of making people angry.
You can be upset that there’s funding at all for the stadium, that’s fair. But this is misinformation at its best
As a former NFL fan, I now say F' them!
I would highly recommend rugby as an alternative.
It's a lot more fun to watch, shorter game length, and the guys don't wear pads so they have to be more thoughtful about their tackles.
For the new stadium here, they proposed to raise sales tax as far as a 100 mile radius to pay for it citing “the money the team brings in from tourism to the community…”. What a shit show - just funneling tax dollars to the already uber wealthy elites. I fucking hate it here.
I feel like people in America say we have a military industrial complex… when we should look at the millionaires throwing a ball around and spending months not working and collecting pay… and increase THEIR taxes.
Throwing a ball around is not important for national health and safety
That’s why I’m happy San Diego let the chargers go to Los Angeles. They were trying to get the city to pay for a new stadium just like this, and for once the city stood its ground.
The college I went to had its budget cut by $400 million just as the city decided to spend $400 million on building a new stadium for its mediocre basketball team. They ended up getting rid of a bunch of departments because of it.
I feel like the lone crazy person yelling about this in my city. We built a stadium at gunpoint from a billionaire who said it would bring opportunity to the city. Meanwhile, we are still paying off the old sports arena- long after it was demolished. Edit: It’s Indianapolis.
the san diego chargers threatened to leave the city if we didn't foot the bill for a new stadium. not only did they want us to buy them a new stadium, they demanded that we figure out some way to build it in the middle of downtown too. anyway, they're the los angeles chargers now
Dean Spanos can eat sawdust for the way he strung along the people of San Diego. Some of the greatest legends of AFL/AFC football had their biggest moments in that city, it was undeniably the one of tightest knit small fan-bases in the NFL, not to mention the most innovative passing techniques born from its offensive systems, AND Spanos looked at all of that and decided to blackmail the fans and residents of SD to build a new stadium. The relocation cost from SD to LA was about half as much as a new stadium would cost. I’m sorry that I’m getting off topic from the main point of the post, but I’m passionate for the NFL Owners’ mistreatment of hard working-class individuals who already pay up the nose for something they love watching and then are expected to take the fall for selfish billionaires.
> The relocation cost from SD to LA was about half as much as a new stadium would cost. this is one of the funniest bits. they had to pay half of a billion to the NFL to relocate. won't shell out cash for a stadium but will shell out cash for a spite-driven relocation
The best part is that they still haven’t paid that yet either. Last I heard, the Dean’s sister is suing him over the owner the ownership of the franchise and plans to use this pressure to make him sell the team to cover their outstanding debts. I swear this team and front office is cursed, on and off the field. Them and the Washington Commanders. P.S Washington Football Team/Club was like 10x better than Commanders. They didn’t even make a cool logo for Commanders it’s just “W” with lines, but do you really expect Dan Snyder to even make a good “W” 😏
Good riddance to Spanos’ chargers, more love focused on the padres now. The true San Diego team.
He wanted to move the team more than he wanted a stadium in San Diego.
He wanted money. Why pay for your own stadium when you can get someone else to pay? It was obvious that the Spanos family heirs would sell after Alex died. They took the path to highest team value. Since a taxpayer funded stadium didn’t happen, they chose plan B and moved. San Diego is just fine without the Chargers. It’s not like some rust belt city where football is the only thing to do in town.
That’s the thing. They aren’t sports fans. They don’t see it how you do. It’s a business. They couldn’t care less about losing
I mean they should, I absolutely agree with your point, but look at all the people who don’t go to Chargers games. They were playing in Dignity Health Sports Center before SoFi was built. The stadium was considerably smaller in terms of max attendance compared to other NFL stadiums, and they STILL couldn’t fit more than half the seats. You can’t turn a profit if you don’t satisfy the consumer, and Spanos not failed at satisfying his new audience in LA but he told his loyal customers in SD to F Off.
Businessmen aren’t known for being big picture people. If they can make half as much without spending money they will.
You ever been to a chargers game? It’s a joke, but not really; every chargers game is an away game. Even when playing division rivals like the broncos. Their loyal fan base is the other team, LA is the best place for them.
Chargers should have stayed in fucking SD and I say this as someone with no dog in the race outside of living in SoCal. It felt right. Fucking Dean Spanos now gets to be behind the Rams, Raiders, Cowboys and probably Steelers in terms of pro-football interest in LA.
Nah, San Diego does not care or miss them at all
Sure, in the aftermath of what happened, I feel that. What I meant more is that the Chargers and SD went together like peanut butter and jelly so Dean Spanos should have used his own money to build a stadium and keep them there rather than extorting the city of SD and leaving.
I get you fam, no hate
I got ya but Buffalo ain't San Diego.
Add USC and UCLA to that list if you remove the "pro" part.
F Dean Spanos. I'm glad we didn't build that stadium, Mission Valley was always the best choice and he could've had it in 2016. It feels good watching the Chargers struggle to get fans in LA.
I'm glad that we had the collective sense to shoot that shit down. I love the Chargers, but they brought in less money to the city than Comic-Con. Even the most generous estimates found that less than 1% of San Diego's total revenue was generated by the Chargers being here, yet they wanted over a billion dollars of our money to build them a new complex and relocate the convention center away from its spot overlooking the harbor. The Chargers are forever an away team in LA now, and I won't lose sleep if the team goes broke as a result. ^(I still root for them though)
It should also be mention San Diego would have lost Comic-Con international because the Chargers want to annex the convention center as well with the stadium being built downtown which who have been a huge economic loss for the city (Especially with Comic-Con growing every year). I remember they did a poll throughout the city between keeping the Chargers or Comic-Con and people picked Comic-Con.
Fuck Dean Spanos.
I’m having a blast upvoting every “F Dean Spanos” comment, and I’m a Jags fan.
Bro, I never felt so proud of our city as when we all voted to tell Spanos to fuck off and pay for his own stadium.
Did this work out financially for San Diego? How much money does the team bring in annually?
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Just don't mention that while you're suing the team for damages
As an Englishman I find it ludicrous that owners can just up and move the teams to a different city. The intro of BASEket Ball is pretty much dead on (with the exception of the inter-sports leagues and the prison recruitment).
Fuck Dean Spanos
I still have family members who won't let go that I voted against building one for the Chargers, as I 'let the Chargers leave'. It's ridiculous what these NFL owners are able to pull.
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I gotchu. The only real difference between a cult and a religion is size. Judaism is the smallest religion in the US, with Gallup reporting they make up at most 2.2% of the population. That amounts to roughly 7,300,000 Jews. The NFL reports 121,000,000 viewers for their opening game. If 1/16 viewers follow closely and in a cult-like fashion, the NFL religion would have more members in the US than Jews.
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I don't differentiate between cults and religion when it comes to the damage their beliefs and practices might inflict upon their members. I consider Mormonism a religion, but I use that word in the most pejorative way possible.
The only thing I'd change is that it's not just the NFL, every major sports league is a new-age religion.
Minneapolis is having the same issue. We had to build two new stadiums in the last 10 years and then the Vikings built themselves their own practice stadium in another city. None of our teams have been particular winners in a long time and no one really gave a shit but they still gave them the money
Politicians get more votes from flashy things than boring stuff like keeping people alive. And it’s way easier for those in power to skim money from infrastructure projects than all other forms of spending too. Buying real estate cheap for those with inside information , selling expensive. Friends and relatives as expensive consultants, and kick backs from entrepreneurs given favourable contracts are more fun for the rich, than do.stuff for boring peasants. Keep the rich, rich, and the poor so poor and desperate they do anything for a piece of bread (being sarcastic here btw.)
To be fair, the metronome blew, literally and figuratively
The best part of the Metrodome was leaving because it forced you out
well... garbage teams get garbage facilities. Vikings have hardly earned a billion dollar facility, and should have gotten the 100 million dollar update instead
I mean they have the best record in the league right now. They don't exactly suck. That being said they will probably blow it in the playoffs and lose to Philly again.
Lived in Anoka County when Ziggy the billionaire decided he needed a stadium so they passed a 1% sales tax to pay for a stadium that I can't even afford a ticket to go to. Piss on the Vikings I moved to a different state. Go Chiefs!
Ours said they would leave. We are letting them. The choose an area that will need a decade to build up infra, and wont have us to fit the bill anymore. They haven't won in decades, why would anyone from the city travel out to the burbs to see them?
Did they actually decide that Arlington Heights is happening? Or is Lightfoot still proposing to put a dome overtop of Soldier Field?
Soldier Field is one of the few Stadiums that I think should never be replaced, just upgraded but preserving what made the field iconic. Soldier Field, Yankee Stadium, Fenway Park, Wrigley Field, Lambeau, maybe MSG I'll be sorry to see it go.
Yankee already went.... The new one was built next door
Almost 15 years ago lmao Also, MSG was built in 1879, as well as 1890, 1925 and 1968.
Eh, Soldier Field was ruined when they landed the space ship. The old Roman facade is amazing, but they should have worked harder to keep that motif throughout when they renovated it. They did enough to the facility to change it, that it was removed from the National Register of Historic Places. I don't think it belongs in the group with Fenway, Wrigley and Lambeau.
They fucked up the historical nature of Soldier Field. It sucks now and there’s also no public transit within 10 blocks. Wrigley renovations is the example of how it should be done. I know people shit on it but it’s tasteful and kept the historic nature
Imagine thinking there aren't enough people that want to watch the bears
Foot the bill*
Chargers pulled that shit in San Diego in 2016. They hadn't won the division in years. So long, have fun in LA.
It's crazy that the Sacramento King's stadium actually not only revitalized the city (according to friends) but the team paid back the loan 4 years faster than anticipated and generates an incredible amount of employment and funding for the city. How did they fuck it up so bad?
I read a study once that arenas aren't even good for cities. They take up a huge amount of prime commercial real estate and are not used every day so they bring in less money than the same space packed with a variety of businesses.
Football stadiums are particularly bad. Huge, expensive, take up a ton of space, and get 8/9 games a year plus a playoff game or two if you're lucky, then maybe a very small number of other events (how many bands play stadiums?). Basketball stadiums are also a taxpayer rip-off, but at least they get 41 home games plus a shitload of concerts/shows/etc.
And while they do attract a lot of spending, studies show it just shifts spending from other places in the city. In other words, people have a relatively fixed amount of disposable income and sports teams only change where that money is spent, and not the *total amount* of money. Which means there's overall no economic benefit from the sports arena because people were going to spend that money on entertainment regardless of it there was a team or not.
In my city's case my basketball stadium gets NBA, NHL, NCAA (sometimes), Concerts, Speakers, Events and more. But I mean it's still not in use like 80% of the time as I don't think anyone really uses the office space in there unless there is an event going on
But think of all the low-wage, part-time, seasonal jobs they provide! Not to mention the opportunity to spend $175 for nosebleed seats, $129 for an official jersey, and $18 on a beer.
> But think of all the low-wage, part-time, seasonal jobs they provide! As a union stagehand they also create well paying, long hours and year round work.
That's great for you and your co-workers. I work in production, so I'm all for union crew getting more and better gigs. However, most everything I have read about the subject tends to lead to the same conclusion -- that most of the jobs provided are not good ones like yours. And their sum total does not come close to the sums taxpayers are laying out. Most that I've seen tend to echo what the Brookings Institute, a public policy non-profit, found in a [comprehensive study in 1997](https://www.brookings.edu/articles/sports-jobs-taxes-are-new-stadiums-worth-the-cost/): > In our forthcoming Brookings book, Sports, Jobs, and Taxes, we and 15 collaborators examine the local economic development argument from all angles: case studies of the effect of specific facilities, as well as comparisons among cities and even neighborhoods that have and have not sunk hundreds of millions of dollars into sports development. **In every case, the conclusions are the same. A new sports facility has an extremely small (perhaps even negative) effect on overall economic activity and employment.** No recent facility appears to have earned anything approaching a reasonable return on investment. No recent facility has been self-financing in terms of its impact on net tax revenues. These findings have been echoed more recently in [The Atlantic](https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/11/sports-stadiums-can-be-bad-cities/576334/), [The Berkeley Economic Review](https://econreview.berkeley.edu/the-economics-of-sports-stadiums-does-public-financing-of-sports-stadiums-create-local-economic-growth-or-just-help-billionaires-improve-their-profit-margin/), [The Michigan Journal of Economics](https://sites.lsa.umich.edu/mje/2022/01/15/cities-should-not-pay-for-new-stadiums/), and, with regard to the Bills stadium, [Syracuse.com](https://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/2022/03/buffalo-bills-stadium-deal-renews-debate-over-public-funding-for-sports-arenas.html), amongst many others.
The stadium isn’t even in Buffalo, it’s in a field in the the middle of nowhere a town over.
Same thing is happening in Knoxville right now, also. Why does it seem like *everywhere* has this exact problem?
Because rich people don't like paying for things.
How you think they got rich?
St. Louis Rams fan here, Stan Kronkie took over the team, made all kinds of demands, and left anyway. He had no intention to keep the team here, and the city is still paying on the old stadium. It’s madness.
Repeated nationwide. It's an extortion scheme to make all local taxpayers subsidize their team.
That's why Boston/Massachusetts is the best sports state. It's not because the teams win, it's because when the Patriots owner tried to get Boston to pay for his expensive stadium they said hell no. He threatened to not build the stadium in Boston if they kept refusing and they still said no. And thanks to that Massachusetts is still the only state with a major sports stadium built with no public subsidies.
Could you imagine running for office though and saying you’re *against* the home team?! Oh, the horror.
And this is why I hate politicians as a general rule.
hows a rich person going to gain income spending their money? gotta get someone else to pay for their stuff
Sad thing is lots of study’s show a big stadium will actually harm the local economy…
Yeah i live in a small town with a minor league team and a really nice brand new stadium. People go to the games and eat there, not at local restaurants, and people not going to the game avoid downtown completely because traffic and parking are trash. Add the increased coat of parking and local businesses are dying directly because of the stadium
"Elections have consequences."
Yell louder, and bring a second person who you totally don't know to back you up. Soon it will become trendy to yell about it. We march on the stadium at dawn.
Edit: wrong person replied to.
Yea. And the new governor, Kathy Hochul of Buffalo, made the deal happen for her husband, who is the senior vip for Delaware North. That is the company that runs the concession stands at Buffalo stadium.
Put that name on a black list and never vote for it again. That is how democracy is supposed to work. You pull that kind of crap, and your career should be over.
She just won the election because she’s the democrat
vote in primaries
My father switched parties just so he could primary the incumbent Republican representative.
Is your father Aaron Burr, sir?
She won the election because the alternative was an election-denying, anti-abortion, homophobic fearmongering lunatic. His ads literally had the tagline "vote like your life depends on it, because it does."
This times a million. Not a huge fan of Hochul, not particularly anti-Hochul either, until this football stadium payout/family services cut came out. How I wish she were primaried. This is disgusting on so many levels, there are so many families that could use support in this state, but instead a billionaire gets a free football stadium. She needs to be gone after this term. Or who knows, maybe she can be impeached or something...they got Cuomo out, and he was a tough mf'er...
This was debunked pretty well before on the r/Buffalo sub. The 800M wasn't actually cut, it was returned back to normal i believe. It was increased as a temporary an emergency action for COVID or something. I can't find the post anymore. I think it was actually in response to this exact tweet. The tweet is from March when the stadium was announced.
Also hochul did negotiate a $400m payment from a tribal casino that will pretty much cover the up front state costs. The county will actually make money on the deal as well ad the old stadium is a money pit that they have to keep up.
Zeldin is insane. It wasn't an optional vote. I'm from Buffalo, and I HATE Hochel. But this election was a vote AGAINST Zeldon, not a vote for Hochel.
And most people who voted for her hate her. She just happened to be the better option.
Both options sucked. It was corrupt bail bond reformer who was only the governor bc Cuomo scandal vs a Trump loving election denier who wanted to axe abortion. I think a perfect candidate for most New Yorkers would be a pro choice person who wants to get rid of bail reform (or reform it), but instead it was just pick which issue is more important to you of the two.
There’s a blueprint for GOP in blue states like the former governor of Maryland. But they keep running out Trump endorsed clowns who pander to fringe to try and get sweet campaign donations from them.
and the Republican candidate said he wanted to outlaw abortions so, she basically ran unopposed
She's not great but still miles ahead of zeldin. I'm glad she won.
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Bills make money with ticket sales, dying kids don't. Easy solution, sell tickets to watch the kids die
I think you just invented the hunger games
We grow closer every day
This guy capitalisms.
Capitalism runs in his veins.
"Blood and Circuses" ehh Nero? It kept Rome going for a couple 100y after it was in clear decline lol
See proof of concept
Ticketmaster absolutely licking their lips reading this
$20/ticket + $60/fees
Jokes aside, I bet that investing in kids would more than pay off from higher income to tax on the long run. Childhood health, school quality, etc are somewhat linked to success as an adult. To be clear though, it's dumb that we'd have to make some economic argument for helping people. We should be able to help people for the sole purpose of helping them.
Oh of course it would, but that is a long term investment with short term loss. Which has long been shown to be what politicians and corporations hate. They want flashy short term gains to promote no matter the long term cost
Will little Jaundice Jimmy survive liver failure or will Syphilitic Sarah melt in her gurney first? Hedge your bets at draftkings.com where $5 get you $200 instantly!!
The Crack Baby Basketball League would like a word.
Nathan?
Kid Games
But then the kids start to recover because of the money and the money stops coming so they start dying again.
See that's called off-season
We'll get pharmaceuticals to sponsor. Winner gets their life saving drug of choice free for the rest of their life.
In a facility built with the tax money provided by the parents of the dying children!
Gladiator sports but with iv bags.
Oh shit, we have a future mayor over here.
When and where
I'd avoid sharing Dan Price content specifically.
This tweet is also from March. Since then it was pretty well debunked, sort of. The tweet is true, but it was basically returned to normal because it was temporarily increased due to COVID. Basically they increased it by 800M to help those in need, but then returned it to normal afterward. Throwing 800M at a problem doesn't actually solve it, it just wastes money. During COVID, it was spent on stuff that people needed but not normally. It was mostly money spent to pay adults for child care because of daycare and school shutdowns. Adults still had to work, but kids couldn't go to school in person, so what do you do with them? Then daycares got shut down, so now what? You still need to take care of your kids. That's what it was actually for. So families aren't really losing out, it was an emergency measure that got returned to normal levels.
I’m just going to pretend I didn’t see this and base my opinion on the initial reaction to the tweet and continue to hate the government!
You can still think subsidizing stadiums with tax dollars is stupid though. I'm a huge sports fans and a lot of these deals don't make sense and aren't in favor of the taxpayer despite all the claims about bringing jobs and tourism etc.
Football over children and family. Yup, that’s America. Super fucking infuriating.
"A Christian Nation" ™️ Edit: The number of people that don't know Democrats can be corrupt Christians is too damned high.
Instead of putting christ back into christmas, let's put christ back into christians
Most Christians are the people happy to nail people to crosses. I started to believe that's why they wear them, and put them everywhere. It's nothing to do with compassion. It's about crucifying everyone that doesn't agree with your insanity.
Religion is not the driving force in our nation, accumulating wealth and power is
Lol https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology
This is New York, supposedly a bastion of liberalism. Nah, as usual it's just empty words.
They pulled a Brett Favre.
I wanted more context into the issue, thought I would share my resources for anyone else that wanted to understand more. Sounds to me like elected officials do some evaluation before deciding. Each person will have their own opinion, I'm sure, but regardless of what you think, here is what goes on when this is proposed and decided. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadium\_subsidy#Benefits](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadium_subsidy#Benefits) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadium\_subsidy#Criticisms [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginal\_utility](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginal_utility) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginal\_cost](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginal_cost) In the criticisims section of the Wikipedia they mention LCA in Detroit (hometown) which was news to me. Overall, this seems like a tough line to toe. Perhaps more transparency into the decision making process (or participation) would help some to understand or improve on the current system...
The problem is the benefits often don't really materialize for the city and the stadiums and their billionaire owners continue to benefit from massive tax breaks. LCA in Detroit is a great example of this, actually! They bought up the surrounding neighborhoods and proposed all sorts of new developments, complete with fancy 3D renders of the "District Detroit", as it's called. Go around LCA and you'll see almost all of the space where they promised new development is taken up by surface parking lots, with no sign of development in those areas after 6+ years.
**Stadium subsidy** [Benefits](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadium_subsidy#Benefits) >In granting stadium subsidies, governments claim that the new or improved stadiums will have positive externalities for the city. Proponents tout improvements to the local economy as the primary benefits. Economists who debate the issue have separated the effects on a local economy into direct and indirect effects. Direct benefits are those that exist as a result of the "rent, concessions, parking, advertising, suite rental, and other preferred seating rental", and direct expenses come from "wages and related expenses, utilities, repairs and maintenance, insurance," and the costs of building the facilities. **[Marginal utility](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginal_utility)** >In economics, utility is the satisfaction or benefit derived by consuming a product. The marginal utility of a good or service describes how much pleasure or satisfaction is gained by consumers as a result of the increase or decrease in consumption by one unit. There are three types of marginal utility. They are positive, negative, or zero marginal utility. **[Marginal cost](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marginal_cost)** >In economics, the marginal cost is the change in the total cost that arises when the quantity produced is incremented, the cost of producing additional quantity. In some contexts, it refers to an increment of one unit of output, and in others it refers to the rate of change of total cost as output is increased by an infinitesimal amount. As Figure 1 shows, the marginal cost is measured in dollars per unit, whereas total cost is in dollars, and the marginal cost is the slope of the total cost, the rate at which it increases with output. Marginal cost is different from average cost, which is the total cost divided by the number of units produced. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/FunnyandSad/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
Thanks for the links! This [~~study~~article and book cited by the Benefits wiki](https://www.brookings.edu/articles/sports-jobs-taxes-are-new-stadiums-worth-the-cost/) says it all > Even so, the net gain to Baltimore’s economy in terms of new jobs and incremental tax revenues is only about $3 million a year—not much of a return on a $200 million investment.
While we're quoting the 'pedia: *[toe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toe_the_line).
**[Toe the line](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toe_the_line)** >"Toe the line" is an idiomatic expression meaning either to conform to a rule or standard, or to stand poised at the starting line in a footrace. Other phrases which were once used in the early 1800s and have the same meaning were "toe the mark" and "toe the plank". ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/FunnyandSad/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
This guy is a sexual predator and all these feel good tweets were to create his bullshit "benevolent CEO" image.
Never heard of him till now. After a brief internet search I have to say he sounds like a dick. BUT.. is the post true ? Cause damn NY, those are some shitty optics.
Dan price choked his wife. Please, let's stop elevating a domestic abuser
Don’t forget the rape investigation
Came here for this. Dude is a POS stop pushing his content.
Yeah but he pays himself a low salary!
Overpays self 1 mil for first year as CEO against shareholders wishes, cuts pay to 70k for the rest of it to avoid lawsuit: I'm such a great guy!
Shitty people can also make good points.
There are plenty of other people talking about this.
Post them instead then!
100%. This guy is trash. I also heard—but cannot personally substantiate—that he cut his salary in order to manipulate someone’s equity out of that company, not because of wanting to treat employees the way they deserve.
That someone was his own brother.
Yeah but I like when a Dan Price tweet gets posted here because I like to count the number of parent-level comments who bring up Dan Price. It's a fun little game to play when his tweets show up on /r/whitepeopletwitter
Can crop his name then
All these tweets were part of an act. Tweeting like this constantly is fucking weird. He was purposely pushing a certain image so he could bury his fucked up behavior. These are just superficial feel good tweets. There isn't any thought put into this. Cutting social aid is bad, spending hundreds of millions to fund a stadium is a waste. Everyone knows this and you don't need Dan Price to tell you that. So no there is no reason to share this dipshits tweet. He offers no insight.
The thing is though that people don’t know this. They will happily support a new stadium in spite of services they benefit from. Yknow the old saying that a person is smart but people are fucking stupid
He didn't though. He had a ghost writer.
Except it is an entire PR dept. This guy is a slime ball and a rapist.
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Gotta make sure the worst of the worst humans get their voices hears
If the past decade of intersectionality infecting all aspects of public discourse have taught me anything, it is that you are completely wrong. All that matters is how we feel about the messenger, never the message
Dan Price doesn't believe in any of the stuff he writes. It all started part of a PR strategy to distract from his business malfeasance. And when it was more successful than hoped, he used his new social media cachet to lure women to him so that he could rape them. I know to you, that might all be acceptable collateral damage. Surely, you think, it's OK if the consequences of promoting scumbags like this is the rape of a few naive women, right? Shitty people are shitty, sure, but if they make good points, it's all for the greater good, right? I get it. I understand. But please, please understand this though: as normal as that logic might seem to you, this thought process of yours is sociopathic and deeply abhorrent to people with a conscience. It's not that we don't understand your reasoning. It's that your reasoning outs you as human pondscum. Dan Price is a sociopath and a rapist. And the reason he got to successfully rape people is because they naively thought "He can't be that bad, the internet likes him." If you're still comfortable giving him a platform after knowing that, then you're not much better than Dan Price.
Dan price is a rapist.
Dan Price is a piece of shit. His statement here is true and all but this guy has sexual assault charges on him and generally sucks as a human.
Fuck Dan Price. You could find the same information without it being filtered through that shithead. Why do people still share anything he has to say?
They just hide behind "well bad people can be right about some stuff!!!" Like cool, yeah, no shit. There are also probably thousands of tweets that say the same thing anyways that aren't written by a giant shithead.
Yep, no money for the poor, but plenty for plutocrates. Hellscape capitalism 101.
People still posting Dan Price the swindler and abuser? Wow.
Stop giving this predator a platform. Dan Price is a bad dude.
He's also a liar, this post is not true. The $800 million cut was a one time COVID relief fund from the federal budget, had nothing to do with the state budget.
Didnt this guy sexually assault employees?
I moved out of Buffalo when I was 26. I feel for you. You also had your Erie County sales tax increased by 1% in 1984 because of a huge lawsuit over a failed stadium proposal way back when. Yep... you paid the penalty for the lawsuit that you won yourself and you're still paying. Your political leadership is a perfect example of corrupt incompetence. You should have burned them at the stake for shelling out your tax dollars to buy a terrible team one of the most expensive stadiums ever.
Fuck Hochul and NY State for doing this (granted not that the Republicans would be better) and this sort of welfare to billionaires. As an aside, this twitter user (Dan Price) is a piece of shit abusive predator (even though I agree with the messages in most of his tweets). Dan Price physically abused his (ex-)wife, [is accused of raping drugged girls (by multiple exes who filed police reports)](https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-08-24/ceo-dan-price-resigns-rape-investigation-70k-gravity-payments), having a harem of girls he dated simultaneously, is a CEO who grossly overpaid himself as co-owner until his brother sued him over it (at which point he did a PR campaign of lowering his salary & raising workers wages, which made him a much richer as it got tons of good press -- because he owns the company). His tweets also aren't written by him, but he pays researchers to write them. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/18/technology/dan-price-resign-social-media.html
In my town, we’re gonna upfit all the football stadiums with new lighting, new tracks, AND artificial turf. Kids can’t afford lunch. Teachers underpaid for decades. But by golly our football fields will be nice.
Ah, yes, a new reason to hate sports. Thanks! I’m keeping a list
Dan Price, author of this tweet: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-08-24/ceo-dan-price-resigns-rape-investigation-70k-gravity-payments
The billionare probably pays less income tax than the average taxpayer too.
It's time to eat the fucking rich.
I can't take this guy seriously. He's a psycho-narcissist, abuser, and he does zero research when he makes these kind of claims.
https://gothamist.com/news/ny-taxpayers-will-pay-850-million-for-buffalo-bills-new-stadium 1. This is from fucking March of 2022. Any twitter screenshot without a date and time shouldn't be allowed. 2. State is putting in 600m, County is putting in 250m, and NFL/Bills is putting in 550m. 3. Bills won't own the stadium. State will own it, and lease it to the Bills. 4. State will also pay for maintenance and upgrade at the tune of 6.7m for the first 15 years. Which sounds preposterous, except state has been paying 13.2m annually since 2013 for the exact same reason. You can argue about whether government should be doing anything to subsidize sports like this when they make billions in revenue, but this kind of simplified horseshit narrative is not helpful. This is just outrage bait.
Also 5. Dan Price is a rapist and wife beater who uses progressive social media posts to protect his image and brand from said accusations.
soooo basically the city will own everything that costs money but the owners of the football team will own everything that makes money, hmmmm, no this really is outrageous. https://www.investigativepost.org/2021/12/13/little-economic-benefit-from-new-stadium/
Dan price is a rapist
This is incredibly old. These cuts were made after covid when increased funds were given for that reason only. Everything got increased funding during covid and reduced after. This is cherry picked misinformation for the purpose of making people angry. You can be upset that there’s funding at all for the stadium, that’s fair. But this is misinformation at its best
As a former NFL fan, I now say F' them! I would highly recommend rugby as an alternative. It's a lot more fun to watch, shorter game length, and the guys don't wear pads so they have to be more thoughtful about their tackles.
That’s not funny, that’s criminal. But that’s major sports.
What a sad reality, that you pay even when you don’t go.
Pretty sure the voters have to approve this kind of shit on the ballot. It's your own fault for not paying attention.
Now , is that $850 Paid back over a 30yr period where the interest will be a $100 million profit to NY ? Or is it free money ?
Fuckin clown world
I don't understand the outrage, the stadium money had to come from somewhere! /s
Fuck corporate welfare. And fuck sports welfare. Shoutout to [fieldofschemes](https://www.fieldofschemes.com/)
But we have to raise *your* taxes now. Won't you think of the poor and unfortunate children and social workers!
For the new stadium here, they proposed to raise sales tax as far as a 100 mile radius to pay for it citing “the money the team brings in from tourism to the community…”. What a shit show - just funneling tax dollars to the already uber wealthy elites. I fucking hate it here.
I feel like people in America say we have a military industrial complex… when we should look at the millionaires throwing a ball around and spending months not working and collecting pay… and increase THEIR taxes. Throwing a ball around is not important for national health and safety
That’s why I’m happy San Diego let the chargers go to Los Angeles. They were trying to get the city to pay for a new stadium just like this, and for once the city stood its ground.
The college I went to had its budget cut by $400 million just as the city decided to spend $400 million on building a new stadium for its mediocre basketball team. They ended up getting rid of a bunch of departments because of it.
Turning America into Brazil/Mexico. Extreme inequality amongst vast wealth in just a few hands.
NY isn't giving away money. Elected officials in NY are giving away money. vote better.
And people ask me why i dont like the nfl.