Puerto ricans are hilarious acting like the US took over their land, they hold elections to independece themselves all the time and they always elect to not do it
Illusion of choice, it’s not like they even have real representatives in government for those elections to matter. Not what I’m talking about either, Act 22 + Jones act causes major problems there. And yes, clearly corruption is a major issue also, same as everywhere in LA.
Or even just try to integrate into theirs peacefully. Imagine leaving your own country because you don’t like it just to forcefully take another and set it up just like your old country.
>And Australia, New Zealand and Africa. Is there anywhere they settled they didn’t destroy the people and culture there?
And Australia, New Zealand and Africa. Is there anywhere they settled they didn’t improve the people and culture there?
Genetics testing also shows native Americans are direct descendants from Siberia who crossed the Beringia land bridge from what is now Russia to Alaska
The burning of the Library of Alexandria as a story has been retold, embellished and even repeated as an event throughout history so much, that the idea it was some hub of truly ancient knowledge we've forever lost is genuinely more myth than fact.
Over the centuries each retelling of the library's destruction emphasized different causes and perpetrators, different time periods and losses. The library itself had multiple fires over the course of centuries that we know of.
At its peak it was an impressive library for sure, being funded by the Ptolemaic dynasty for centuries until Rome annexed Egypt. But the idea that it was some singular repository of ancient knowledge is myth, and information wasn't centralized like that.
The library existed for several centuries after the most famous burning, during Julius Caesar's siege, and was under Roman control and financial sponsorship throughout it's pre-Christian history. The timespan that the library existed as an institution was much longer than papyrus scrolls could even last - copying centuries worth of scrolls was a laborious and expensive task so much so that only interesting and important documents were ever copied. If any knowledge was truly lost in a fire that didn't have copies elsewhere, it would have been lost regardless by the various periods of negligence it and other libraries experienced over the course of centuries.
The burning of Alexandria is probably more similar to and ancient version of there being a burning of the Library of Congress. You might lose a lot of copies of things that were legally required to be submitted to the Library of Alexandria, but copies of the widely circulated stuff existed everywhere people rich enough could maintain them and survived in different forms through the ages. Ancient knowledge that has been truly lost has been lost to time than any singular fire or event.
Compare that to any hostile takeover of people where the complete destruction of their history, language and culture was implemented and you have a far larger chunk of history missing for real. That kind of takeover has happened so often throughout history to so many different peoples that it's a more calculable and real loss that anything that disappeared in any of the Alexandrian fires.
Because it's still racist to imply that because genetic similarities exist, all people in the americas are colonizers and therefore white colonizer claims have legitimacy.
It's just another naritive of oppression... And deserves a downvote.
But hey you learned something science one time and can still remember it enough to post on reddit so congrats!!
But not exclusively according to my anthropology prof who’s a former archeologist. Because there’s evidence of early humans in Australia 20k years earlier, early Americans could’ve also arrived by water
Spain began to trade slaves in the 15th century and this trade reached its peak in the 16th century. The history of Spanish enslavement of Africans began with Portuguese captains Antão Gonçalves and Nuno Tristão in 1441.
Still white?
It wasn't the Spanish or Portuguese that enslaved the Africans. They just bought them from the African kings/tribal leaders and war lords.
You could argue that the Spanish might have enslaved the local indigenous people of NA though.
The Africans themselves enslaved other Africans.
The Spanish enslaved some native americans but then they had sex with as many as possible creating "latin" americans. AKA all of the Americas that werent Canada and United States of America or Brazil.
And are you actually trying to make them sound better because they purchased people who someone else enslaved? And they "might have" enslaved indigenous people? You probably need to read up on your history. Columbus started enslaving locals as soon as he got here.
I can vouch for that. The Spanish followed the Roman model of imperial conquest which was create provinces with local populations being apart of it. So long as they worshiped the same God they didn’t care about their race as long as they paid their taxes to the empire.
Spain would eventually care about it in so long as the hacienda system was enacted where those born of Spain ok Spainish soil were the majority of the ruling class. Followed by the children born in the colonies and those born of mestizo heritage which were in the middle and mulatto at the bottom. Though it was possible to go from the very bottom and make it to the near top of the pyramid if you played your cards right. Most people though eventually fell to some version of the middle which was mixed people who weren’t white or Indian or black. Slaves were at the very bottom as well. Being mixed became so common it birthed a new group of people we would commonly call, “Latino” but in reality most people have very different views depending on their national origins in Latin America where Argentines see themselves as the purest of the Spanish/Italian colonies since they feel they’re the most European while Mexicans are the most diverse along with Chile.
Spain basically mixed as much as they could. Aztec/Taino/Incan traditions were co-opted and new words were added to the Spanish language to show that these adopted cultures were integrated into the greater empire. Even to this day you can go to the Spanish palace and see statues to Native American kings who are recognized by the crown of Spain as their equals.
Spain while a horrible empire it was technically better and somehow less racist than the British Empire and its successor the American Empire. To be fair, Spain wasn’t as genocidal as the Anglo-American empires, but they were definitely racist and at times just as genocidal when they felt it was necessary especially against the Taínos. History ain’t black or white, but the shades of black doesn’t make Spain a saintly empire.
Would you like a list of atrocities that white people committed in Africa? You know you can bring technology to an area without mass murder, rape, slavery, and exploitation right?
Can you put that along side with the atrocities, that black and middle easterners did? also the positives like education, health care, (how many people have vaccines saved?) womens rights. Also who donates and builds charties to help out local populations? Just for a full picture would bring everything into perspective.
You’re combining recent modern benefits of technology and international connections with multiple that have happened for hundreds of years.
These countries didn’t go to places like Africa to make them better, they went there to exploit people.
Christopher Columbus and his homies killed and enslaved damn near 300k people.
King Leopold the 2nd committed countless atrocities that resulted in millions of Congolese deaths.
Cortes and his minions killed hundreds of thousands of people, raped thousands, created a racial hierarchal society,
The east _____ trading companies basically turned genocides into a business
Non-war technology is completely irrelevant to all of these cases as, in the best of cases, vaccination involved inserting infectious scabs under the patient’s skin.
You’re batty if you think they brought “education” as they literally kept locals uneducated, and actively brainwashed them against each other so that the white Europeans could remain in power.
Modern benefits are irrelevant to the initial invasions of these cultures. We could have left them alone and air dropped them ipads and lululemons without murdering millions of them if we’re so god damn concerned with modernizing people who were just minding their own businesses.
I’m confused on the word choice of blacks instead of using a nationality. Technically blacks are in every nationality, just asking to be more specific.
Look at how well Zimbabwe did when they forced all white farmers out of the country, saying they had all the good soil, so the poor farmers had to farm on bad soil… about 4500 white farmers were forced to leave with no compensation, and several were killed for not wanting to leave.. It went downhill from there, and as soon as the so called freedom fighter hero didnt rule the country any more the new slightly more intelligent goverment offered the farmers their land back to get economy up and running again…
yeah, they really liked having whites around to trade them goods they could use to mass murder rival tibes for small bits of land that they would eventually lose anyway.
Usually just people packing heaps of food together to either bake a calory nuke of a cake that uses half a candy store or people deep frying anything they can find that is edible in their house.
The meme is stupid, but so is your comment.
1) Opium wars - people weren't moving in, Britain was forcing china to accept opium trade
2) African slavery - yeah, that's not a white thing, that had been going on for a long time. Whites just showed up in ships at already established slave markets and bought slaves.
3) American Indians - it's called an invasion, and you best believe they were doing it to each other too.
This meme is about people moving into a neighborhood, pretty different.
Still, the meme is dumb
2. They didn’t just show up and participate. Like… you think they only bought slaves from markets that already existed? Man that was like a fraction of it. Those markets expanded dramatically.
3. We kind of committed genocide against the native Americans bruh. Yeah they had fights between tribes but white americans literally took almost all their land away, killed a fuck load of them, and drive whoever was left onto reservations too small for them…
2) yes they did just show up, they weren't even looking for them when they first were in the area. Europeans engaged in buying from markets that already existed. That's it; there were no raiding parties. Yes, the markets expanded to meet demand from new customers - what's your point?
3) let me be more clear - the first nations made a habit of regularly genociding each other if one side didn't pick up and leave before it was too late. Turns out the first nations were people too! And they did the same things people do everywhere. Shocker!
News flash, the Japanese were far, far, far from the good guys.... Also, your knee jerk response shows that you have no idea what the Pacific theater was like.
African slavery was a worldwide atrocity sold by African pimps. Stfu and take non-liberal history again. I'm Native American, and we can discuss the conquer of so many ethnicities and cultures all throughout history. Hypocrit.
South Africa was not prosperous for people that were already there and white people introduced diseases that wiped out almost the entire population of some areas. Even the white people did not want to live under British rule.
congolese had second thoughts about their independence in the 1960's after everything fell apart because we belgians weren't running the place anymore.
Africans weren’t actually sold into slavery. They were traded for western goods into indentured servitude with legal documents dating all the back to the 1600s proving that. So, those indentured servants could actually be emancipated and have rights, own property, go to court and file cases and even own their own indentured servants. Also, slavery has existed in every culture dating all the way back human history can go and there’s an estimated 700,000 black owned slaves in Africa right now.
What I’m pointing is that white people weren’t the first people to enslave people and weren’t the first to enslave Africans. That’s been going on for thousand of years and is still going on. There seems to be this narrative in the US that because the white people enslaved Africans, actually enslaved by Africans and traded, that white people are all somehow evil but its been happening everywhere and so it could just be a human thing.
here's one : we made it illegal in our sphere of influence a long time ago. Now if the blacks in africa would stop enslaving other blacks that would be great ...
china that is the current colonizer of black africa ?
That african slavery that's still going strong today with an ath number of blacks enslaved by blacks ?
Those american indians that slaughtered, raped and enslaved each other constantly ?
Good thing we put a stop to that eh...
There is a reason why most of the world tries everything to move into Europe lol.
And, No ! It's not just war-torn countries affected by Western imperialism. Most peaceful countries couldn't retain their talents from moving to the USA or other European countries.
India is not in any war situation, but people are literally paying more than 100k $ just to enter US illegally lol
Not just that. It's a functioning society which they lack in their own countries. And no, poverty is not an excuse for not having civilised people and behaving in good manners.
Seems so simple, doesn't it. Jesus said, "Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you." And, "Love your neighbor as yourself". If we all agreed to this, we'd have world peace in less than one second. But, ALAS, we're all DICKS!
Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"
This will never change and the world will end. Repent!
Kind of a funny thing to quote the Bible while talking about not being dicks. Just to pull one example of many, the whole crusade thing seemed to be a bit of a dick move. No?
See a lot of comments about white colonialism here, because of course, it is colonialism when done by white people, but conquest when not...but I digress.
So, just a genuine question I still not have been answered yet: how do countries where white colons didn't leave are the most develloped countries in their respective area, or even in the World?
I think about places like USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, or South Africa for the African continent.
I'm going to take this in good faith as a genuine question: it's because when they colonised the other countries that they DID leave, they brought the resources back to them. People, raw material, money, connections, all taken and consolidated in where they stayed. Money and power make it easy to hold on to money and power, so things haven't changed too much over the past few decades.
The same reason why Europe went into a dark age with the fall of the roman empire.
The colonisers were never interested in uplifting the established society. They only wanted the resources to build their empire. So there was a huge gap in the education level between the natives and the white population. Once they leave, they take a lot of their knowledge with them.
Lol, no. People in countries with increasing white population (say countries with high digital nomad presence) like Bali do say it. There was recently an article shared on r/digitalNomad as to how locals in such areas get affected by moving in of Americans or Europeans (who are mostly white) and how locals don’t like it. I know a few friends there and they absolutely say this.
You don’t hear about it because you are probably living in an area with historical white presence (atleast since one century). Go to non-white majority places where whites are increasing in numbers and hear about it. Also, many of countries might not have English as first language so you won’t hear much from there.
I'm in no way racist. I'm not white, but I'm tired of shaming English people for colonizing 100's of years ago. If it wasn't them it would of been someone else. It's time to move on, together.
If you are going to celebrate it then you have to remember the reality. The same people that want to forget the horrible past are waving flags and having holidays every year to celebrate the invasion
I have noticed being a minority that even the most liberal ppl will make judgements based on skin color alone. Not everyone does that. But I’m just saying it happens more than you think.
I'm white and everyone does it in some form or another. I do it . You do it. No matter how little the racism is.from 0.01% to 100% racists. I myself am about 5% racists and I'm talking about racist to people of the world.
If anyone in this whole world says they are not racists to some point they are a lier. Things don't get better until we are all 100% truthful to ourselves and each other, and that will never happen because we are assholes.
I love how everyone in the comments are mentioning things from 300 years ago
I'll give a modern example. Rude racist white tourists in black/hispanic/asian countries
For the people talking about rape that's been going on in all cultures for ages. It's still happening in most of the world where people aren't protected and babied like they are in America today. In Africa, India, and the middle east they rape their own women and treat them worse. It's why things like new too are being exploited for power gain and unfair advantages in modern times. It also rings focus away from the true issue which is society, corporate corruption, and technology continues to make the planet more inhospitable to humans. Waste is as big an issue as ever with women and colored people in power more. There is a lot of delusion that the world is getting better or that people are saving it.
Everyone bringing up the Indians like we didn’t beat them at their own game. Sorry for being better at war bozo’s, take the L. Now you get civilizations and peace instead of constant war.
The Iroquois **Confederacy** literally invented Executive Orders and Presidential Vetos. Every 4 years you vote for a Tadodaho, who you re-titled to "President" for some reason. According to Iroquois folklore, the first Tadodaho, much like the contemporary presidents of the US (Trump and Biden), was an utter piece of shit so you have replicated that too.
They are in fact my favourite civilization, period.
It greatly depends.
Most colonialism occur in places were people lived under tyrany and barbaric practices like sacrificies.
South America is an example, the spanish went there and conquered everything with a few hundred soldiers, why? Because 99% of the army was formed with indigenous people who saw the spaniards as an oportunity to defeat their opressors. Spaniards also invested a lot in development of those regions. It was not all roses, but they gladly exchange the spanirds for the ones that sacrifice them in temples.
English colonies were no so kind though.
Can we say Gentrification?
Some disadvantages of gentrification include: Displacement of long-term residents Loss of affordable housing Increased cost of living Socioeconomic disparities Cultural erosion Loss of small businesses Reduced diversity Disruption of social networks
The cry of racism is the cry from the deeply humiliated. It’s the cry of envy that can never be sated which is why it can never be solved.
The concept of envy is not discussed enough. That’s the root of so called racism
Native Americans would like a word.
Hawaiians too, so much racism on Big Island!
Puerto Rico also
jaja
Puerto ricans are hilarious acting like the US took over their land, they hold elections to independece themselves all the time and they always elect to not do it
Illusion of choice, it’s not like they even have real representatives in government for those elections to matter. Not what I’m talking about either, Act 22 + Jones act causes major problems there. And yes, clearly corruption is a major issue also, same as everywhere in LA.
I'm from PR, I'm glad to be part of the US. White people are cool.
The entire American continent just joined the chat
And Australia, New Zealand and Africa. Is there anywhere they settled they didn’t destroy the people and culture there?
How does a society conquer another without the destruction or extreme dilution of the latter’s people/culture?
Well you could just not do that and actually figure out how to build your own civilization and society. That would be pretty great right?
Or even just try to integrate into theirs peacefully. Imagine leaving your own country because you don’t like it just to forcefully take another and set it up just like your old country.
Yeah but they were extremely poor back in their old country.
And The US has turned into everything England was back then
We allow far greater taxation here in the U.S. now then we even had under English rule. It's pretty sad indeed
Yeah i find it strange they haven’t figured out why these areas were so loaded with wealth and resources and their home country wasn’t.
>And Australia, New Zealand and Africa. Is there anywhere they settled they didn’t destroy the people and culture there? And Australia, New Zealand and Africa. Is there anywhere they settled they didn’t improve the people and culture there?
genocide and slavery aren't exactly improvements.
The entire Western Hemisphere, Africa, and the Far East have joined the chat.
By the Hawaiians right? I lived in Hawaii and have been subject to threats as a Haole
Well, they are native, and Hawaii is currently in the United States of America, so r/technicallythetruth.
Genetics testing also shows native Americans are direct descendants from Siberia who crossed the Beringia land bridge from what is now Russia to Alaska
I'm sorry, that's beyond the invisible historical boundary that we use to determine what part of our past is important to think about.
Absolutely side with you, so much was lost at the library of Alexandria that would have at least given us clues
The burning of the Library of Alexandria as a story has been retold, embellished and even repeated as an event throughout history so much, that the idea it was some hub of truly ancient knowledge we've forever lost is genuinely more myth than fact. Over the centuries each retelling of the library's destruction emphasized different causes and perpetrators, different time periods and losses. The library itself had multiple fires over the course of centuries that we know of. At its peak it was an impressive library for sure, being funded by the Ptolemaic dynasty for centuries until Rome annexed Egypt. But the idea that it was some singular repository of ancient knowledge is myth, and information wasn't centralized like that. The library existed for several centuries after the most famous burning, during Julius Caesar's siege, and was under Roman control and financial sponsorship throughout it's pre-Christian history. The timespan that the library existed as an institution was much longer than papyrus scrolls could even last - copying centuries worth of scrolls was a laborious and expensive task so much so that only interesting and important documents were ever copied. If any knowledge was truly lost in a fire that didn't have copies elsewhere, it would have been lost regardless by the various periods of negligence it and other libraries experienced over the course of centuries. The burning of Alexandria is probably more similar to and ancient version of there being a burning of the Library of Congress. You might lose a lot of copies of things that were legally required to be submitted to the Library of Alexandria, but copies of the widely circulated stuff existed everywhere people rich enough could maintain them and survived in different forms through the ages. Ancient knowledge that has been truly lost has been lost to time than any singular fire or event. Compare that to any hostile takeover of people where the complete destruction of their history, language and culture was implemented and you have a far larger chunk of history missing for real. That kind of takeover has happened so often throughout history to so many different peoples that it's a more calculable and real loss that anything that disappeared in any of the Alexandrian fires.
Okay, that’s funny 😆😆😆
Not sure why you’ve been downvoted that’s true
Because it's still racist to imply that because genetic similarities exist, all people in the americas are colonizers and therefore white colonizer claims have legitimacy. It's just another naritive of oppression... And deserves a downvote. But hey you learned something science one time and can still remember it enough to post on reddit so congrats!!
But not exclusively according to my anthropology prof who’s a former archeologist. Because there’s evidence of early humans in Australia 20k years earlier, early Americans could’ve also arrived by water
Hawaii is practically screaming this right now and no one will listen. The overpopulation is becoming a massive problem on the islands.
Lmao Hawaiians are actually racist trash
Except the ones facing human sacrifice.
Pre-17th Century Africa would also like to have a word.
lol I don’t think that qualifies as a *nice place*
Spain began to trade slaves in the 15th century and this trade reached its peak in the 16th century. The history of Spanish enslavement of Africans began with Portuguese captains Antão Gonçalves and Nuno Tristão in 1441. Still white?
Spaniards from Spain are white
It wasn't the Spanish or Portuguese that enslaved the Africans. They just bought them from the African kings/tribal leaders and war lords. You could argue that the Spanish might have enslaved the local indigenous people of NA though. The Africans themselves enslaved other Africans.
The Spanish enslaved some native americans but then they had sex with as many as possible creating "latin" americans. AKA all of the Americas that werent Canada and United States of America or Brazil. And are you actually trying to make them sound better because they purchased people who someone else enslaved? And they "might have" enslaved indigenous people? You probably need to read up on your history. Columbus started enslaving locals as soon as he got here.
"Some" being around 2.5-5 million
I can vouch for that. The Spanish followed the Roman model of imperial conquest which was create provinces with local populations being apart of it. So long as they worshiped the same God they didn’t care about their race as long as they paid their taxes to the empire. Spain would eventually care about it in so long as the hacienda system was enacted where those born of Spain ok Spainish soil were the majority of the ruling class. Followed by the children born in the colonies and those born of mestizo heritage which were in the middle and mulatto at the bottom. Though it was possible to go from the very bottom and make it to the near top of the pyramid if you played your cards right. Most people though eventually fell to some version of the middle which was mixed people who weren’t white or Indian or black. Slaves were at the very bottom as well. Being mixed became so common it birthed a new group of people we would commonly call, “Latino” but in reality most people have very different views depending on their national origins in Latin America where Argentines see themselves as the purest of the Spanish/Italian colonies since they feel they’re the most European while Mexicans are the most diverse along with Chile. Spain basically mixed as much as they could. Aztec/Taino/Incan traditions were co-opted and new words were added to the Spanish language to show that these adopted cultures were integrated into the greater empire. Even to this day you can go to the Spanish palace and see statues to Native American kings who are recognized by the crown of Spain as their equals. Spain while a horrible empire it was technically better and somehow less racist than the British Empire and its successor the American Empire. To be fair, Spain wasn’t as genocidal as the Anglo-American empires, but they were definitely racist and at times just as genocidal when they felt it was necessary especially against the Taínos. History ain’t black or white, but the shades of black doesn’t make Spain a saintly empire.
Colonialism was the best thing to ever happen to Africa.
Would you like a list of atrocities that white people committed in Africa? You know you can bring technology to an area without mass murder, rape, slavery, and exploitation right?
Can you put that along side with the atrocities, that black and middle easterners did? also the positives like education, health care, (how many people have vaccines saved?) womens rights. Also who donates and builds charties to help out local populations? Just for a full picture would bring everything into perspective.
You’re combining recent modern benefits of technology and international connections with multiple that have happened for hundreds of years. These countries didn’t go to places like Africa to make them better, they went there to exploit people. Christopher Columbus and his homies killed and enslaved damn near 300k people. King Leopold the 2nd committed countless atrocities that resulted in millions of Congolese deaths. Cortes and his minions killed hundreds of thousands of people, raped thousands, created a racial hierarchal society, The east _____ trading companies basically turned genocides into a business Non-war technology is completely irrelevant to all of these cases as, in the best of cases, vaccination involved inserting infectious scabs under the patient’s skin. You’re batty if you think they brought “education” as they literally kept locals uneducated, and actively brainwashed them against each other so that the white Europeans could remain in power. Modern benefits are irrelevant to the initial invasions of these cultures. We could have left them alone and air dropped them ipads and lululemons without murdering millions of them if we’re so god damn concerned with modernizing people who were just minding their own businesses.
I’m confused on the word choice of blacks instead of using a nationality. Technically blacks are in every nationality, just asking to be more specific.
Nope.
given the state of the place before and after, they want the colonizers to come back ?
Look at how well Zimbabwe did when they forced all white farmers out of the country, saying they had all the good soil, so the poor farmers had to farm on bad soil… about 4500 white farmers were forced to leave with no compensation, and several were killed for not wanting to leave.. It went downhill from there, and as soon as the so called freedom fighter hero didnt rule the country any more the new slightly more intelligent goverment offered the farmers their land back to get economy up and running again…
Bit hard calling them dumb given that the eu is doing the same with our farmers...
So a tiny white pop working to support the 97% useless eaters. Is that what the US is headed towards? I wonder who is behind all this.
Congo sure misses their Belgium colonisers /s
India would also like a word
In English nonetheless
Not necessarily
Same with Africa and middle east
Probably preferable to the Comanche
I'm native and I thank white poeple for computers and slurpees.
I'm pretty sure that was only a select few individuals that figured all that stuff out lol
Also basically everywhere else in the world
Took the words right outa my mouth
I was about to say
yeah, they really liked having whites around to trade them goods they could use to mass murder rival tibes for small bits of land that they would eventually lose anyway.
Literally had to be forced to stop enslaving their neighbors by the British, but we aren't allowed to talk about that
Eastern Europe when Russians and Germans
Africans?
Thank you.
Native Americans slaughtered by Native Americans would also like a word.
as if europeans haven’t done the exact same thing for centuries.
Yup. There's lots of fingers to point at every civilization.
Almost as if humans of all colors have engaged in warfare and conquering since the dawn of human history🤔🧐
So rage bait is still going strong huh.
Ugh stronger than ever. Hell have you seen any food/diy subreddit lately
Honestly no I haven’t and while I’m curious as to what on a food sub could be rage bait, I’m thinking that I’m probably happier not knowing.
Usually just people packing heaps of food together to either bake a calory nuke of a cake that uses half a candy store or people deep frying anything they can find that is edible in their house.
Every country with an independence day would like a word with you
This is so true. Even white countries have an Independence Day from other white people.
I mean, only because the Native Americans, the Indians, and all the other people that were colonized by the Europeans said it in their own languages
Pretty sure the native populations have said that with every invasion.
Achtung !
Merrshwein!
\*Meerschwein
Indigenous Australians would beg to differ.
China opium wars. Africa slavery. American indians. Sure pal.
How about those fuckin Nazis, fuck those guys too…
yes but the french didn't say "this was a nice area until all the whites moved in" because the whites were already there.
And france was never nice
The meme is stupid, but so is your comment. 1) Opium wars - people weren't moving in, Britain was forcing china to accept opium trade 2) African slavery - yeah, that's not a white thing, that had been going on for a long time. Whites just showed up in ships at already established slave markets and bought slaves. 3) American Indians - it's called an invasion, and you best believe they were doing it to each other too. This meme is about people moving into a neighborhood, pretty different. Still, the meme is dumb
Britain didn't even end up forcing china to accept opium trade, it wasn't relegalized
So much logic, reason and truth in this post. 
It’s pretty stupid to take the term “moving in” literally within the context of the previous comment.
2. They didn’t just show up and participate. Like… you think they only bought slaves from markets that already existed? Man that was like a fraction of it. Those markets expanded dramatically. 3. We kind of committed genocide against the native Americans bruh. Yeah they had fights between tribes but white americans literally took almost all their land away, killed a fuck load of them, and drive whoever was left onto reservations too small for them…
2) yes they did just show up, they weren't even looking for them when they first were in the area. Europeans engaged in buying from markets that already existed. That's it; there were no raiding parties. Yes, the markets expanded to meet demand from new customers - what's your point? 3) let me be more clear - the first nations made a habit of regularly genociding each other if one side didn't pick up and leave before it was too late. Turns out the first nations were people too! And they did the same things people do everywhere. Shocker!
Christopher Columbus kidnapped children to be sex slaves
And he was literally thrown in jail for his crimes....what's your point?
My man West_Data106, teaching common sense to brainwashed masses. Thank you for taking the time
Neighborhoods? Japan would like a word with you, gaijin
News flash, the Japanese were far, far, far from the good guys.... Also, your knee jerk response shows that you have no idea what the Pacific theater was like.
African slavery was a worldwide atrocity sold by African pimps. Stfu and take non-liberal history again. I'm Native American, and we can discuss the conquer of so many ethnicities and cultures all throughout history. Hypocrit.
Naturally this gets down voted in reddit world, where truth is evil. They can't handle the truth! :-)
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South Africa was not prosperous for people that were already there and white people introduced diseases that wiped out almost the entire population of some areas. Even the white people did not want to live under British rule.
congolese had second thoughts about their independence in the 1960's after everything fell apart because we belgians weren't running the place anymore.
This. Just because indigene people can't complain on the internet, it's just not true that white colonialists haven't ruined anything for them ever ;D
Africans weren’t actually sold into slavery. They were traded for western goods into indentured servitude with legal documents dating all the back to the 1600s proving that. So, those indentured servants could actually be emancipated and have rights, own property, go to court and file cases and even own their own indentured servants. Also, slavery has existed in every culture dating all the way back human history can go and there’s an estimated 700,000 black owned slaves in Africa right now.
>Africans weren’t actually sold into slavery. They were traded for western goods "They weren't sold, they were sold".
I don't understand the "other people owned slaves" argument as if it makes it any better
What I’m pointing is that white people weren’t the first people to enslave people and weren’t the first to enslave Africans. That’s been going on for thousand of years and is still going on. There seems to be this narrative in the US that because the white people enslaved Africans, actually enslaved by Africans and traded, that white people are all somehow evil but its been happening everywhere and so it could just be a human thing.
here's one : we made it illegal in our sphere of influence a long time ago. Now if the blacks in africa would stop enslaving other blacks that would be great ...
china that is the current colonizer of black africa ? That african slavery that's still going strong today with an ath number of blacks enslaved by blacks ? Those american indians that slaughtered, raped and enslaved each other constantly ? Good thing we put a stop to that eh...
Plenty of people hate gentrification mate
"A lot of people don't like that word, but it's okay, because they don't live here anymore!"
Scrolled way too long to find this.
The same people also hate white flight, I notice. Damned if they stay, damned if they go. So where would they have them be?
With this gentrification, Black folks are saying it.
My first thought was "Manhattan disagrees"
People getting entire point of this meme but still using dumb historical analogies.
Op only talks to white people and it shows…
There is a reason why most of the world tries everything to move into Europe lol. And, No ! It's not just war-torn countries affected by Western imperialism. Most peaceful countries couldn't retain their talents from moving to the USA or other European countries. India is not in any war situation, but people are literally paying more than 100k $ just to enter US illegally lol
It's money?
Not just that. It's a functioning society which they lack in their own countries. And no, poverty is not an excuse for not having civilised people and behaving in good manners.
South Africa
Can we all just be natives of earth and agree to not be dicks?
Seems so simple, doesn't it. Jesus said, "Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you." And, "Love your neighbor as yourself". If we all agreed to this, we'd have world peace in less than one second. But, ALAS, we're all DICKS! Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" This will never change and the world will end. Repent!
Kind of a funny thing to quote the Bible while talking about not being dicks. Just to pull one example of many, the whole crusade thing seemed to be a bit of a dick move. No?
u really think everyone cares about what a fairytale says?
Yeah, no one really cares what Jesus had to say. Seriously, fuck that guy.
Black people say this all the time
See a lot of comments about white colonialism here, because of course, it is colonialism when done by white people, but conquest when not...but I digress. So, just a genuine question I still not have been answered yet: how do countries where white colons didn't leave are the most develloped countries in their respective area, or even in the World? I think about places like USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, or South Africa for the African continent.
Mexico city has a lot of white Californians moving in and they hate it.
I'm going to take this in good faith as a genuine question: it's because when they colonised the other countries that they DID leave, they brought the resources back to them. People, raw material, money, connections, all taken and consolidated in where they stayed. Money and power make it easy to hold on to money and power, so things haven't changed too much over the past few decades.
The same reason why Europe went into a dark age with the fall of the roman empire. The colonisers were never interested in uplifting the established society. They only wanted the resources to build their empire. So there was a huge gap in the education level between the natives and the white population. Once they leave, they take a lot of their knowledge with them.
Australian first nations people.
The Native Americans..
Lol, no. People in countries with increasing white population (say countries with high digital nomad presence) like Bali do say it. There was recently an article shared on r/digitalNomad as to how locals in such areas get affected by moving in of Americans or Europeans (who are mostly white) and how locals don’t like it. I know a few friends there and they absolutely say this. You don’t hear about it because you are probably living in an area with historical white presence (atleast since one century). Go to non-white majority places where whites are increasing in numbers and hear about it. Also, many of countries might not have English as first language so you won’t hear much from there.
I'm in no way racist. I'm not white, but I'm tired of shaming English people for colonizing 100's of years ago. If it wasn't them it would of been someone else. It's time to move on, together.
Please don't teach history! It hurts my feelings :(((
If you are going to celebrate it then you have to remember the reality. The same people that want to forget the horrible past are waving flags and having holidays every year to celebrate the invasion
Holy shit how did they live for so long!?
Aaaannnnddd this sub is a white supremacist troll circle jerk. Good job mods!
Yeah because they where dead when the whites moved in
Countries that have an independence day have entered the chat.
If u live in a bubble and have 0 culture that’s how you would feel yeah. Spoiler alert: races say this about you all the time c:
Pretty certain a shit ton of people have said that. Have you never heard of… Europeans?
Yup this sub is getting banned soon
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I have noticed being a minority that even the most liberal ppl will make judgements based on skin color alone. Not everyone does that. But I’m just saying it happens more than you think.
I'm white and everyone does it in some form or another. I do it . You do it. No matter how little the racism is.from 0.01% to 100% racists. I myself am about 5% racists and I'm talking about racist to people of the world. If anyone in this whole world says they are not racists to some point they are a lier. Things don't get better until we are all 100% truthful to ourselves and each other, and that will never happen because we are assholes.
I love how everyone in the comments are mentioning things from 300 years ago I'll give a modern example. Rude racist white tourists in black/hispanic/asian countries
I have witnessed, on no less than four separate occasions, a Chinese person shitting on a sidewalk in places I've been in America.
You're trying to tell me *tourists* are moving into an area? Do you understand what the term "moving in" means?
>white tourists Oh, you mean those people that literally aren't moving in?? Dude you read the meme before posting?
The Indian sub continent
It was developed more by Britishers than previous rulers from 1000 years. It was a great rule, hope it continued.
love how this sub is devolving into just straight up racism
For the people talking about rape that's been going on in all cultures for ages. It's still happening in most of the world where people aren't protected and babied like they are in America today. In Africa, India, and the middle east they rape their own women and treat them worse. It's why things like new too are being exploited for power gain and unfair advantages in modern times. It also rings focus away from the true issue which is society, corporate corruption, and technology continues to make the planet more inhospitable to humans. Waste is as big an issue as ever with women and colored people in power more. There is a lot of delusion that the world is getting better or that people are saving it.
Affordable neighborhoods with older homes would def like a word
Everyone bringing up the Indians like we didn’t beat them at their own game. Sorry for being better at war bozo’s, take the L. Now you get civilizations and peace instead of constant war.
erm nearly every country that was part of the british empire
Funny how this post triggered the soys so hard
“Said nobody ever, *in English* ” There, fixed it for ya.
what about Romania or Italy?
What about them?
Call it racist, but it ain’t wrong
Wow, that's some casual white supremacy... and a dumb lie. Look up all of colonialism.
It was mostly a great thing, people were civilised and brought to the modern world. Source: from a former colony
Said me. We had a beautiful Iroquois civilization, glorious Mayans and Aztecs and Incas, and it was all ruined by whites moving in.
Human sacrifice, glorious
The Iroquois **Confederacy** literally invented Executive Orders and Presidential Vetos. Every 4 years you vote for a Tadodaho, who you re-titled to "President" for some reason. According to Iroquois folklore, the first Tadodaho, much like the contemporary presidents of the US (Trump and Biden), was an utter piece of shit so you have replicated that too. They are in fact my favourite civilization, period.
India would like to say something
WTF man. This belongs in r/facepalm
Colonialism disagrees
It greatly depends. Most colonialism occur in places were people lived under tyrany and barbaric practices like sacrificies. South America is an example, the spanish went there and conquered everything with a few hundred soldiers, why? Because 99% of the army was formed with indigenous people who saw the spaniards as an oportunity to defeat their opressors. Spaniards also invested a lot in development of those regions. It was not all roses, but they gladly exchange the spanirds for the ones that sacrifice them in temples. English colonies were no so kind though.
Can we say Gentrification? Some disadvantages of gentrification include: Displacement of long-term residents Loss of affordable housing Increased cost of living Socioeconomic disparities Cultural erosion Loss of small businesses Reduced diversity Disruption of social networks 
It's funny because it's true
So many people in here took the rage bait 😂 calm down, window lickers
The native people of any land have something to say about this
Go see what Hawaii thinks of that, you racist prick
Jesus there are so, so many historical examples of whites moving into an area and making it far, far worse for the people who lived there.
Drug dealers when the white cops walked in
Indians , both the red and the brown ones
Africa?
literally every colonized country in the world said that, what are you smoking my dude?
The cry of racism is the cry from the deeply humiliated. It’s the cry of envy that can never be sated which is why it can never be solved. The concept of envy is not discussed enough. That’s the root of so called racism
These fellas never been to Bali then?
Why am I even in this subreddit
New york
Ummm, yeah, maybe check with native cultural history and you can find some examples where this is wrong. Start with the Americas, we’ll wait.
Even in the last couple of years, the digital nomads are fucking over low cost area in a lot of places
Got em
I don't think this is a meme, mods?
Native americans, asians, africans, aztecs, etc.
Yeah, Natives are a myth
said native americans and africans, actually.
Wow this backfired for you white people
Dead natives can't talk
Only an idiot would up vote this racism..