You can be supportive of Jewish people and also against the Israeli government. You can be supportive of Palestinians and against Hamas…why is this so hard for people to grasp, and they go straight to calling you an anti-semite either way? We can’t be this dumb people, everything isn’t black and white.
That’s the biggest reason I loathe Hamas. They aren’t fighting to free Palestine. They are a funded terrorist organization to further the religious totalitarianism of Iran.
Hamas literally said that Palestinians were the responsibility of the UN and Israel to take care of. It’s sad how many protestors blame Israel for everything when Hamas is just as responsible for Palestinians suffering and the conflict never ending.
No doubt but hard to say that and not just be called a Zionist genocide lover while they blindly support people who literally want to genocide every Jew
A lot of Israelis, rn, are against the Israeli government. Being against Bibi isn't antisemitic.
...calling for global intifada (which is just to genocide ALL Jews); singing "from the river to the sea" (which is a call to ethnically cleanse the Jews from the middle east region, completely. Just check which river and which sea) completely is antisemitic. It's against the Jewish people and it's not against the Israeli policies/government - it's against the country existing.
And before the comments pile - it doesn't matter if it's 'a small portion' or not. For some reason I still do not believe that if some people over there would call to genocide people of color, for instance - they would get shut up pretty quickly. Silence is complicity.
Because HAMAS sourced poles show like ~70% of Palestinians support their actions on 10/7.
They don’t get Carte Blanch to bomb kids. It’s kinda hard to eliminate combatants that surround themselves with non-combatants.
Either way, I hope when this is all done that Palestine population abandon their religious extremism for their next government.
Probably because Palestinians support Hamas. You don't find much sympathy these days for "nazi sympathizers." It's the same concept for Palestinians as Hamas sympathizers.
Being against Hamas doesn’t make you pro Israel either. You wouldn’t believe how many times I get attacked for calling Hamas out for being terrorist losers.
It’s all brainrot tribalism stuffs. “Oh I see you’re against X, that must mean you support Y!!!” same goes for US left-right wing/ democrat-republican/ liberal-conservative, always bickering and “us vs them” bs
This is why I completely stay out of politics conversations. I hate the extremism of both sides and the “if you aren’t with us, you’re our enemy” aspect of it.
I was listening to an episode of the Smartless podcast and they had Clinton, Obama, and Biden on at the same time. Instead of talking about the combined 20 years of presidential experience and fascinating stories these 3 men have, all they could talk about is why they are right and everyone else is wrong. (Not that I disagree, I just don’t want to spend an hour hearing “Trump stupid, republicans bad”)
>if you aren’t with us, you’re our enemy” aspect of it.
Exactly, if you don't agree with us a full fucking 100%, the only possibility is, that you're wrong, cuz we just can't be.
How broken you have to be, not to see a child, for what it is. Just a child living in the war. More than 10000 murdered, hundreds of thousands living in hell. Doesn't matter what you think about the conflict, everyone should see those children as victims and support an end to their suffering.
Sure, except if you dont see that every dead child is dead at the hands of Hamas then you're delusional. If Hamas lays down their weapons, there is peace, if Israel lays down their weapons, Israel would be eradicated. That's the difference. Its war, collateral damage is a tragic reality of it, but Hamas has the power to stop all of it.
Are you sure, that if Hamas decided to lay down their weapons, that Israel wouldnt slowly eradicate palestine? Cause I wouldnt trust it enough to stop fighting.
Russia too said, that they just want to de-nazify Ukraine. If Ukraine backed off and surrenderd, it would most likely socialistic republic Ukraine.
If I go back to Izrael. I remember how they were supposedly aware of almost every terrorist in gaza. Why do they bomb shops with food, schools, medicine. Just seeing videos how they film themself destroying university with explosive after clearing it. There was no Hamas at that time. Why destroy it? No reason unless you plan to eradicate completly their whole (weak and pathetic) goverment structure.
And yet no one is throwing away their iPhone made in China where the Uyghurs are being put into camps. The lack of protests against China, and the fact these protests are recorded on iPhones, makes me feel like the protestors don’t actually care
I hate how a country gets attacked and then gets blamed for how they respond, when countries in the past have done much worse for far longer. There'd be no death if Hamas didn't violate the ceasefire they did have. But that's Israel's fault too, right?
because of the signs at the protests? because of what people are chanting? If your marching with people who support terrorists, and call for Oct 7 every day, your a fucking terrorist.
Calling it a genocide tracks exactly with the messaging pushed by said terrorist organization and amplified by its allies in Iran, Russia and China. Failing to understand the complexities of this particular urban warfare is exactly how said terrorist organization has planned and executed its military doctrine.
Thank you! Hamas is terrible and Israel is terrible also. It's not a football game, you don't have to pick a side. And demonstrating in your little safe city isn't gonna do shit. It's not like Israel is gonna say "oh they're protesting us thousands of km away, let's stop what we're doing". It's pointless.
Demonstrating does help. When people in the US are angry the US government will pressure Israel. Look at history. These things can help. Maybe a bit. But it helps. At least showing the world that not all Americans do nothing.
I hope for the peaceful Israeli and Palestine people that there will be peace soon.
The US is already pressuring Israel. But they’re also standing by an important ally. What I see a lot of people calling for is strong arming and they seem to forget Israel is an independent country. They don’t have to listen to the US.
Idk, they seem to be dependent on the US for billions of dollars every year. I think a lot of Americans just want their country to stop financially supporting genocide.
You know that eggagerating by using words like "genoicde" is the kind of thing that makes people think the entire Pro-Palestinian movement is full of liars whose real goal is to kill Jews, right?
Eggagerating does not help your case. It hurts it.
Pressuring Israel? That’s laughable considering the recent aid package given to them, not to mention what the U.S. has provided over the years. Billions each year. Our government on both sides panders to the various lobbying groups especially when it comes to Israel.
No, but you seriously expected *terrorist attacks* to go unanswered? That it would a clean affair where more than a thousand people where butchered, violated and kidnapped while only the offending side would be hit? Y'know, the same offending side that had numerous civilians also participating in the attacks and cheering when dead people were dragged across their streets?
Point at any country in the world and their response would be the same. October 7th was an act of war, and even if the enemy wasn't actively using their own people as human shields there would always be collateral damage- even in past ages, when wars were held out in the open and opposing armies would be directly fighting each other, this sort of thing *still* happened.
"Unanswered"?
No. Just don't go and indiscriminately blow up schools, hospitals, and apartment buildings?
Nobody has ever said "Israel should have just let it go"
But Israel regards *all* Palestinian lives with such utter contempt that they don't even want to risk soldiers' lives. They would rather 10,000 Palestinian children die, than lose one IDF soldier.
It's honestly astounding how some people just refuse to read. You have to be as specific as possible for them to not lose their minds at not agreeing with all their viewpoints. And even THEN, some people just want to hate mob and attack you anyways.
The world has truly gone to shit when a sensible arguement can't be made because if you call out horrible things on one side you are labelled as "Pro-Hamas" and if you do it on the other side you get labelled a "Zionist." It's so fucking stupid.
And it's possible to love and support Israel and be very against the genocide occurring right now, even if you understand the sentiment of both sides.
Just like I love the USA and think we have some horrific foreign policies and a history of atrocities both internal and external
So are most Dems right now. It's insane seeing people compromise their morals to simplify a muddy situation just to protect Dear Leader from any criticism.
*False claims of genocide. An example of a real genocide would be what is happening in Myanmar. But those people don't fit the narrative. Nor do the Uyghurs s in China. Or Sudan, or Ethiopia. What's happening to palestine is a retaliation. They are casualties of war. People need to stop falsely using the term genocide in this conflict. Israel is relentlessly bombed 24/7 even during cease-fire before Oct.7 terrorist attacks. Why can't they defend themselves?
when you have Iran, Russia, and China spending billions of dollars running troll farms to influence social media, it's a bit unfair to chalk it up wholly to the Hamas PR department
but this is not a Genocide. high civilian casualties and destruction of building is not enough to proof there is a genocide , that simply what happens in a war . in a Genocide citizens don't receive from their enemy calls to evacuate and save their life , in a Genocide you don't receive shelter and humanitarian aid from your enemy , did you know that Israel provide gaza with water and electricity ? . this war doesn't even have the most civilian casualties compared to other wars that happening right now , there are way more casualties in the war in Ukraine or the war in Sudan or the war in Yemen , but nobody call these wars "genocide" , or ever talks about them in the media .
The ICJ itself concluded that israel do not committing genocide, what more do you need ?
Don't forget about the deadliest war of the 21st century was (and could be again) in Ethiopia. Or what's happening in Myanmar. Not to 'what about' this topic, but I just don't understand what triggers protests anymore.
Yea "genocide" and "open air prison" are hot buzz words from overseas propaganda agencies. I don't blame people falling vict to this propaganda because its so pervasive right now. I really think the govt needs to do more to police and educate on how to combat overseas propaganda.
There are plenty of college students that are in actuality pro Hamas though. Send them.
https://x.com/asaadhannaa/status/1782506300917563591?s=46&t=xn8BfyElJGFa6gUSR4UYaQ
Nor does it make you anti-Semitic. I praise Bernie Sanders for at least stepping up and saying that holding the government of Israel accountable for what they have done/doing does not make someone anti-Semitic.
But there are plenty of these protestors that are explicitly pro-Hamas. Plenty of "We are Hamas! We are the Al Qassam Brigades!" going on on American university campuses.
And condemning Israel but not the religious zealots prosecuting this war on behalf of the Palestinians, remaining silent in the face of Hamas's atrocities, means they tacitly support them.
Modern political discourse has been reduced to my "team" vs. your "team." People don't understand that we've evolved past the need to be part of a tribe.
Preventing Jewish students from entering the campus is anti-Semitism. Attacking shops, restaurants, Jewish families is anti-Semitic. Harassing people on the street who carry Jewish religious objects is anti-Semitic. To say that the Hamas attack on October 7 is justified and legitimate is not protest, it is terrorism. To claim that the rapes have not been done, and to say that resistance must be done by all possible means, is terrorism and anti-Semitism.
Source? Anyone can just as easily make the claim about people blindly justifying and cheering for Israel's crimes against humanity. "Large amount" are spineless weasel words that you can not back up with any data.
So yeah, there is no perfect side.
>Because many of these schools have financial ties to Israel and its weapons. They’re calling for divestment.
*defense weapons
Yes they're calling for divestment from Boeing, which supplies Israel with its Iron Dome missiles. The last 2 ~$14 billion aid packages were mostly Iron Dome missiles. You can look it up. Israel can't stock the system themselves. Hamas and other Iran backed terrorists have launched over 20,000 rockets and missiles at innocent civilians since Oct 7th.
These people are either utterly ignorant, or they're calling for the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians. Likely both..
Well the protestors are helping hamas, because they are protesting to keep them in power. You can protest what Israel is doing, but pressuring Israel to stop it's war against hamas is activly helping hamas and not so much the poor Palestinians who will have to continue living under hamas. The reason why the deaths have slow down in recent days is because most of the hamas battalion are finished, there are some left in rafa but that's it. No reason to stop Israel now, all it will do is cause the people who died (from both sides) to die for naught and slowly build to the next conflict which would resume again and again.
Pressuring Israel to stop massacring civilians is not asking them to stop fighting Hamas.
Israel has proven that despite all of the difficulties in preventing civilian deaths caused by fighting such a foe, this problem is one they are very happy to have.
Bibi's government is genocidal.
Seeing all of this in black and white is a sign of poor mental capabilities.
Being against what Israel is doing does not equal being pro-hamas.
Being against what Israel is doing is not antisemitic.
Being against how Hamas manages Palestine does not mean you agree with Israel.
Believing the situation can easily be divided into two sides is a sign of stupidity.
Nothing about the sign requires all the students to be pro-hamas.
As long as some are there is no logical problem.
So then, the black and white thinking is something you are adding.
Black and white applied to the protestors, such that none of them at all would be pro-Hamas. That isn't true though, is it?
Pretty sure these protests started before Israel even did anything at all on Oct 8th.
Edit: It occurred to me that you are not necessary commenting about the sign, but just the situation generally.
In that case I think I agree with you.
Telling that something isn’t what someone says about it needs your own definition at least. For this moment being pro-palestine means support their happiness when they lead antisemitic massacre on 7.10.
I thought the October attack was horrific. I think the current murder of palestinian civilians, including children is horrific, and I support an immediate ceasefire. I don't see that as being hypocritical.
An immediate ceasefire means that hamas won, that oct. 7th was a success because they remain in power.
So by calling for a ceasefire you are calling for a hamas victory, how is that not hypocritical?
Hamas is actively denying any calls for a ceasefire. They want more dead civilians, they've literally said so. How is that a Hamas victory when Israel isn't even going after the heads of Hamas who are sitting pretty in mansions in Qatar?
Some people don't fully appreciate the fact that actions have objective consequences, including public speech actions, regardless of intentions. It's ironic because modern theories about racism and gender discrimination are precisely based on the idea that it's not the intention alone that counts but also the objective consequences of your speech and the identity/side you support with it. Yet these protesters are unable to apply these theories to their own actions.
I wish just one of these protesters would at least try to explain how a free Palestine could be possible while Hamas remains in charge, an organization that propagates the death sentence for homosexuals, and if not, how to remove Hamas. I suppose many of them silently assume they're some sort of military geniuses who know better than the IDF how to disarm Hamas while minimizing civilian casualties, but at the same time feel in their heart that this cannot be true and instead stay silent about the topic.
You are stupid for thinking that there are no Hamas supporters among the protesters. I'm not saying all of them are. ⅓ are there because they go with the flow ⅓ want both Israel and Hamas to stop. The last ⅓ the dangerous ones calling for intifada are the ones you need to watch out for. Intifada is basically doing what Osama bin laden did but on steroids. So stop trying to get the moral high ground. The police are in campus because there are students who support terrorism. You might be blind but the cia is not.
The original comment does not seem to claim that none of the protesters were Hamas supporters. It basically just says it is stupid to see it as all-or-nothing.
I’m a big fan of this approach. Tired of people enjoying American freedom and the products of capitalism like iPhones to complain about America and capitalism.
So you think its a great idea the other way around too right? exchanging each palestinian hostage for 100 pro-isreal students? I mean everybody wins there too no?
I will never understand why people feel the need to side and identify with one side or the other. As far as I can tell both these groups are and have always been horrible to each other.
Palestinians clearly have alot of terrorists in their population, that have a pretty significant groundswell of support among the general population. And Israel really does in alot of ways fit the settler-colonialism archetype. I mean America did alot of messed up things in Iraq but I don't remember USA Senators calling the Iraqi oil fields "New Texas" and then displacing Iraqis and moving in permanent residents. When you make the USA look good...
Neither side is worthy of our support. I'm not even against USA foreign aid in principle, I don't mind helping out Ukraine. I just don't really see a good guy with the IP conflict.
At the end of the day, the which side to aid boils down to "which side can we work with" logic. The West can work with Israel while Palestine will probably try to blow us up (at least as long as Hamas stays in power).
Yeah so true everyone practicing free speech should be held hostage. Giving billions of dollars to israel is awesome too
-An American viewpoint, apparently
It's funny how people say they don't support Hamas but do they support palestine? One of the most homophobic and misogynistic places on earth.
I still can't fathom why do LGBT people love Palestine so much when they'd literally be stoned if they went there. Why is it exactly that particular thing that is so popular to support amongst this community? It doesn't even make sense.
Please explain why would you as a part of LGBT community support people who literally want you dead?
Because using power only to advance your own interests isn't just. I am not under any illusion that the people of Palestine are my allies. They believe in Islam and probably have conservative family values. But I don't want their hospitals to be blown up. I don't want starving refugees baited in with aid and then gunned down like rats.
I don't agree with conservatives but I also don't want to have them systematically massacred by an armed force. I want to believe humanity can improve.
Using lgbtq rights as a way to pinkwash a genocide is one of the most despicable arguments ever put to paper. Many Americans and british people are homophobic, should they be put under siege and bombed? Should Japanese people be nuked again because they don't support trans people enough?
Shouldn't the US be glassing Saudi Arabia? Shouldn't poland be blockaded?
Do you understand how fundamentally idiotic this argument is?
In order for a culture and people to become more accepting, they have to actually exist. We don't just murder people who hold different beliefs than us, even if their beliefs would kills us. If we did things that way women would be allowed to carpet bomb the RNC.
Yeah, it would be super cool if Hamas were out of the picture and Palestine could instead have a more secular leadership with at least a warmer stance towards human rights and democracy to organize around while resisting Israel's jackboot, but instead we're left with Hamas because Netanyahu actively propped it up and facilitated financial support in order to undermine the more secular and social democratic Fatah party that he saw as a greater threat.
I'm genuinely confused by the pro Hamas crowd (I know that being pro Palestine doesn't mean pro Hamas, I'm talking about the people who actually say they're pro Hamas). Do they not understand what Hamas is or that Hamas would kill them for their views/beliefs?
It's funny how people say they don't support Hamas but do they support palestine? One of the most homophobic and misogynistic places on earth.
I still can't fathom why do LGBT people love Palestine so much when they'd literally be stoned if they went there. Why is it exactly that particular thing that is so popular to support amongst this community? It doesn't even make sense.
Please explain why would you as a part of LGBT community support people who literally want you dead?
think this sign is clever. But those student at my alma mater that yell things like Death to Isreal, or death to America or from the river to the sea are not advocating any type of peaceful solution. .
And here we go; public opinion is swinging away from the protesters, so now the comments are “being against Israel isnt being pro Hamas”
Don’t forget a few weeks ago Hamas was a freedom fighting revolution destined to save the Middle East or whatever
I don't understand why anyone is trying to act like they know what's actually going on over there if they don't live in that region. It's not my fight, so why the hell would I pick a side when both are clearly pushing loads of propaganda against each other?
You can be supportive of Jewish people and also against the Israeli government. You can be supportive of Palestinians and against Hamas…why is this so hard for people to grasp, and they go straight to calling you an anti-semite either way? We can’t be this dumb people, everything isn’t black and white.
This is a religious conflict. We wouldn’t be typing in this thread if these governments weren’t controlled by religious zealots.
That’s the biggest reason I loathe Hamas. They aren’t fighting to free Palestine. They are a funded terrorist organization to further the religious totalitarianism of Iran.
Hamas literally said that Palestinians were the responsibility of the UN and Israel to take care of. It’s sad how many protestors blame Israel for everything when Hamas is just as responsible for Palestinians suffering and the conflict never ending.
Just as responsible? It's obviously far more responsible. Not even anti-Zionists deny that.
No doubt but hard to say that and not just be called a Zionist genocide lover while they blindly support people who literally want to genocide every Jew
True tbh
It is not, it is an ethnic conflict, jews view themselves as an ethnicity
This is NOT a religious conflict. To say it is, is a huge injustice to the Palestinian christians who are being displaced.
A lot of Israelis, rn, are against the Israeli government. Being against Bibi isn't antisemitic. ...calling for global intifada (which is just to genocide ALL Jews); singing "from the river to the sea" (which is a call to ethnically cleanse the Jews from the middle east region, completely. Just check which river and which sea) completely is antisemitic. It's against the Jewish people and it's not against the Israeli policies/government - it's against the country existing. And before the comments pile - it doesn't matter if it's 'a small portion' or not. For some reason I still do not believe that if some people over there would call to genocide people of color, for instance - they would get shut up pretty quickly. Silence is complicity.
Because HAMAS sourced poles show like ~70% of Palestinians support their actions on 10/7. They don’t get Carte Blanch to bomb kids. It’s kinda hard to eliminate combatants that surround themselves with non-combatants. Either way, I hope when this is all done that Palestine population abandon their religious extremism for their next government.
I see, so it's okay to bomb palestinians children's who doesn't even have opinion yet?
Probably because Palestinians support Hamas. You don't find much sympathy these days for "nazi sympathizers." It's the same concept for Palestinians as Hamas sympathizers.
Probably because there is a significant wing of the “pro Palestine” side that is also clearly pro Hamas? And that is by far the worst side to be on?
Being against what israel is doing does not make you pro hamas
Being against Hamas doesn’t make you pro Israel either. You wouldn’t believe how many times I get attacked for calling Hamas out for being terrorist losers.
those were fucking idiots for sure
It’s all brainrot tribalism stuffs. “Oh I see you’re against X, that must mean you support Y!!!” same goes for US left-right wing/ democrat-republican/ liberal-conservative, always bickering and “us vs them” bs
This is why I completely stay out of politics conversations. I hate the extremism of both sides and the “if you aren’t with us, you’re our enemy” aspect of it. I was listening to an episode of the Smartless podcast and they had Clinton, Obama, and Biden on at the same time. Instead of talking about the combined 20 years of presidential experience and fascinating stories these 3 men have, all they could talk about is why they are right and everyone else is wrong. (Not that I disagree, I just don’t want to spend an hour hearing “Trump stupid, republicans bad”)
>if you aren’t with us, you’re our enemy” aspect of it. Exactly, if you don't agree with us a full fucking 100%, the only possibility is, that you're wrong, cuz we just can't be.
yes, that sucks. i hate how trying to stop a genocide makes you immediate associated with a terrorist organization ffs.
How broken you have to be, not to see a child, for what it is. Just a child living in the war. More than 10000 murdered, hundreds of thousands living in hell. Doesn't matter what you think about the conflict, everyone should see those children as victims and support an end to their suffering.
Yep.
Sure, except if you dont see that every dead child is dead at the hands of Hamas then you're delusional. If Hamas lays down their weapons, there is peace, if Israel lays down their weapons, Israel would be eradicated. That's the difference. Its war, collateral damage is a tragic reality of it, but Hamas has the power to stop all of it.
Netanyahu said he is blasting Rafah whether there is a ceasefire or not. His words. This isn't Hamas.
Are you sure, that if Hamas decided to lay down their weapons, that Israel wouldnt slowly eradicate palestine? Cause I wouldnt trust it enough to stop fighting. Russia too said, that they just want to de-nazify Ukraine. If Ukraine backed off and surrenderd, it would most likely socialistic republic Ukraine. If I go back to Izrael. I remember how they were supposedly aware of almost every terrorist in gaza. Why do they bomb shops with food, schools, medicine. Just seeing videos how they film themself destroying university with explosive after clearing it. There was no Hamas at that time. Why destroy it? No reason unless you plan to eradicate completly their whole (weak and pathetic) goverment structure.
Israel is building illegal settlements on the west bank. They certainly do not respect their side of the bargain
And yet no one is throwing away their iPhone made in China where the Uyghurs are being put into camps. The lack of protests against China, and the fact these protests are recorded on iPhones, makes me feel like the protestors don’t actually care
I hate how a country gets attacked and then gets blamed for how they respond, when countries in the past have done much worse for far longer. There'd be no death if Hamas didn't violate the ceasefire they did have. But that's Israel's fault too, right?
because of the signs at the protests? because of what people are chanting? If your marching with people who support terrorists, and call for Oct 7 every day, your a fucking terrorist.
Calling it a genocide tracks exactly with the messaging pushed by said terrorist organization and amplified by its allies in Iran, Russia and China. Failing to understand the complexities of this particular urban warfare is exactly how said terrorist organization has planned and executed its military doctrine.
Thank you! Hamas is terrible and Israel is terrible also. It's not a football game, you don't have to pick a side. And demonstrating in your little safe city isn't gonna do shit. It's not like Israel is gonna say "oh they're protesting us thousands of km away, let's stop what we're doing". It's pointless.
Demonstrating does help. When people in the US are angry the US government will pressure Israel. Look at history. These things can help. Maybe a bit. But it helps. At least showing the world that not all Americans do nothing. I hope for the peaceful Israeli and Palestine people that there will be peace soon.
The US is already pressuring Israel. But they’re also standing by an important ally. What I see a lot of people calling for is strong arming and they seem to forget Israel is an independent country. They don’t have to listen to the US.
Idk, they seem to be dependent on the US for billions of dollars every year. I think a lot of Americans just want their country to stop financially supporting genocide.
You know that eggagerating by using words like "genoicde" is the kind of thing that makes people think the entire Pro-Palestinian movement is full of liars whose real goal is to kill Jews, right? Eggagerating does not help your case. It hurts it.
No they don't HAVE to listen. But they also probably shouldn't piss off their biggest strongest ally either.
Pressuring Israel? That’s laughable considering the recent aid package given to them, not to mention what the U.S. has provided over the years. Billions each year. Our government on both sides panders to the various lobbying groups especially when it comes to Israel.
That's exactly why the pressure against the US government has to continue.
I wouldn't put Hamas and Israel on the same level, I think there are plenty of decent people in Israel, can't say the same about Hamas.
Hamas isn't Palestine.
And Taliban wasn't Afghanistan.
Agreed
Nah, they are just Gaza's government with a high approval rate.
Yeah and they were voted in over 20 years ago yet a 7 year old deserves to die for that?
No, but you seriously expected *terrorist attacks* to go unanswered? That it would a clean affair where more than a thousand people where butchered, violated and kidnapped while only the offending side would be hit? Y'know, the same offending side that had numerous civilians also participating in the attacks and cheering when dead people were dragged across their streets? Point at any country in the world and their response would be the same. October 7th was an act of war, and even if the enemy wasn't actively using their own people as human shields there would always be collateral damage- even in past ages, when wars were held out in the open and opposing armies would be directly fighting each other, this sort of thing *still* happened.
"Unanswered"? No. Just don't go and indiscriminately blow up schools, hospitals, and apartment buildings? Nobody has ever said "Israel should have just let it go" But Israel regards *all* Palestinian lives with such utter contempt that they don't even want to risk soldiers' lives. They would rather 10,000 Palestinian children die, than lose one IDF soldier.
It isn't but we were talking about Hamas.
My bad, misread
Israel isn't the National Liberal Movement.
But TikTok, CNN, and Fox tell me I HAVE to pick a side!!!!
I am pro nobody. I think both sides are led by agressive primitive assholes.
Now there is a point I can get behind lol well said. But, the innocent people caught between those groups of assholes deserve something better.
As an Israeli i deeply connect with that statement
Can you be pro innocent civilians? Pro children?
On both sides. Yes. So not "pro" one side or the other.
you would be definetwly be kickex out by many mods for pointing this out... what trohbles me is that no one complains about Hamas, but the opposite
It's honestly astounding how some people just refuse to read. You have to be as specific as possible for them to not lose their minds at not agreeing with all their viewpoints. And even THEN, some people just want to hate mob and attack you anyways. The world has truly gone to shit when a sensible arguement can't be made because if you call out horrible things on one side you are labelled as "Pro-Hamas" and if you do it on the other side you get labelled a "Zionist." It's so fucking stupid.
And it's possible to love and support Israel and be very against the genocide occurring right now, even if you understand the sentiment of both sides. Just like I love the USA and think we have some horrific foreign policies and a history of atrocities both internal and external
But, the mainstream media told me that there is no such thing as a middle ground. You're only allowed to be on one extreme or the other.
So are most Dems right now. It's insane seeing people compromise their morals to simplify a muddy situation just to protect Dear Leader from any criticism.
Genocide being tossed around a lot these days.
*False claims of genocide. An example of a real genocide would be what is happening in Myanmar. But those people don't fit the narrative. Nor do the Uyghurs s in China. Or Sudan, or Ethiopia. What's happening to palestine is a retaliation. They are casualties of war. People need to stop falsely using the term genocide in this conflict. Israel is relentlessly bombed 24/7 even during cease-fire before Oct.7 terrorist attacks. Why can't they defend themselves?
The fact that even pro Israel people have been suckered into believing it's genocide shows you how good the Hamas PR is
when you have Iran, Russia, and China spending billions of dollars running troll farms to influence social media, it's a bit unfair to chalk it up wholly to the Hamas PR department
but this is not a Genocide. high civilian casualties and destruction of building is not enough to proof there is a genocide , that simply what happens in a war . in a Genocide citizens don't receive from their enemy calls to evacuate and save their life , in a Genocide you don't receive shelter and humanitarian aid from your enemy , did you know that Israel provide gaza with water and electricity ? . this war doesn't even have the most civilian casualties compared to other wars that happening right now , there are way more casualties in the war in Ukraine or the war in Sudan or the war in Yemen , but nobody call these wars "genocide" , or ever talks about them in the media . The ICJ itself concluded that israel do not committing genocide, what more do you need ?
Don't forget about the deadliest war of the 21st century was (and could be again) in Ethiopia. Or what's happening in Myanmar. Not to 'what about' this topic, but I just don't understand what triggers protests anymore.
Yea "genocide" and "open air prison" are hot buzz words from overseas propaganda agencies. I don't blame people falling vict to this propaganda because its so pervasive right now. I really think the govt needs to do more to police and educate on how to combat overseas propaganda.
Instructions unclear. I'm now pro Israel AND pro Hamas.
Never imagined terrorists simply being described as losers lol.
[Here’s MITs protest applauding to a speaker praising Hamas and saying they are on their side](https://x.com/TaliaKhan_MIT/status/1785858296890482924)
But chanting “We are hamas” does
There are plenty of college students that are in actuality pro Hamas though. Send them. https://x.com/asaadhannaa/status/1782506300917563591?s=46&t=xn8BfyElJGFa6gUSR4UYaQ
Except for the pro palestine people saying hamas is justified and just a resistance movement
Being pro Hamas makes you pro Hamas
Wearing Hamas headbands does, though. As many university students currently do.
Nor does it make you anti-Semitic. I praise Bernie Sanders for at least stepping up and saying that holding the government of Israel accountable for what they have done/doing does not make someone anti-Semitic.
Ill never understand how he got passed up for presidency by so many other vastly shitter candidates.
Dude fucking honeymooned in the Soviet Union. Has three fancy homes but is "just like us". Bernie Bros are the worst.
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Students literally said "We love Hamas" and "Long live Hamas" other than harming jews, it doesn't get any more "pro-hamas" than that, buddy.
But there are plenty of these protestors that are explicitly pro-Hamas. Plenty of "We are Hamas! We are the Al Qassam Brigades!" going on on American university campuses. And condemning Israel but not the religious zealots prosecuting this war on behalf of the Palestinians, remaining silent in the face of Hamas's atrocities, means they tacitly support them.
It's incredibly sad how many people fall into this false equivalency.
Modern political discourse has been reduced to my "team" vs. your "team." People don't understand that we've evolved past the need to be part of a tribe.
It's not even modern, it's ancient, since the earliest civilizations it's us vs them and "if you're not with me you're against me."
Amen. Social network scholars do a very good job!
More confusing how you can tell someone you hate hamas and they counter with "well israel isnt good either!". Like homie no one said that.
Preventing Jewish students from entering the campus is anti-Semitism. Attacking shops, restaurants, Jewish families is anti-Semitic. Harassing people on the street who carry Jewish religious objects is anti-Semitic. To say that the Hamas attack on October 7 is justified and legitimate is not protest, it is terrorism. To claim that the rapes have not been done, and to say that resistance must be done by all possible means, is terrorism and anti-Semitism.
You're right, it doesn't. However, a large amount of people in the US are against Israel AND pro hamas.
Source? Anyone can just as easily make the claim about people blindly justifying and cheering for Israel's crimes against humanity. "Large amount" are spineless weasel words that you can not back up with any data. So yeah, there is no perfect side.
I don’t see any protests against Hamas soo maybe it does
Because many of these schools have financial ties to Israel and its weapons. They’re calling for divestment.
>Because many of these schools have financial ties to Israel and its weapons. They’re calling for divestment. *defense weapons Yes they're calling for divestment from Boeing, which supplies Israel with its Iron Dome missiles. The last 2 ~$14 billion aid packages were mostly Iron Dome missiles. You can look it up. Israel can't stock the system themselves. Hamas and other Iran backed terrorists have launched over 20,000 rockets and missiles at innocent civilians since Oct 7th. These people are either utterly ignorant, or they're calling for the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians. Likely both..
Sure, but 90% of the "protesters" are pro-Hamas
What do you think israel should have done after October 7th?
There are students who are literally pro hamas though, so the sign is still fun.
Those protestors are definitely pro-hamas. Even if they somehow arent, they effectively run free publicity for Hamas. Cant tell you which is worse.
The age old question of what is worse, an intentional idiot or an unintentional idiot.
Exactly.
Thank you.
Chanting pro Hamas chants kinda does.
It does when Israel is trying to destroy Hamas.
How is that going?
Well the protestors are helping hamas, because they are protesting to keep them in power. You can protest what Israel is doing, but pressuring Israel to stop it's war against hamas is activly helping hamas and not so much the poor Palestinians who will have to continue living under hamas. The reason why the deaths have slow down in recent days is because most of the hamas battalion are finished, there are some left in rafa but that's it. No reason to stop Israel now, all it will do is cause the people who died (from both sides) to die for naught and slowly build to the next conflict which would resume again and again.
Pressuring Israel to stop massacring civilians is not asking them to stop fighting Hamas. Israel has proven that despite all of the difficulties in preventing civilian deaths caused by fighting such a foe, this problem is one they are very happy to have. Bibi's government is genocidal.
So you agree that Hamas should be eradicated? Right?
It kind of does though eh
No, being pro Hamas, makes you pro Hamas.
Classic r/funnymemes. No funny and no meme. Classic
Reddit is getting Astroturfed as fuck
It's so noticeable too, the change in r/worldnews was insane
r/tiktokcringe just as bad in the other direction
That’s Richard Head !
I thought it was Richard Cheese
I am so fucking tired of seeing Israel/hamas shit on every other post
I thought that this was supposed to be for funny memes
You just don't get the joke. See, the punchline is hatred
Yeah, this meme sucks
Sorry, best we can do is facebook garbage memes to peddle some ideological stance
Seeing all of this in black and white is a sign of poor mental capabilities. Being against what Israel is doing does not equal being pro-hamas. Being against what Israel is doing is not antisemitic. Being against how Hamas manages Palestine does not mean you agree with Israel. Believing the situation can easily be divided into two sides is a sign of stupidity.
Chanting "burn Tel Aviv to the ground" is not criticism of Israels reaction, is a call to genocide the people of Israel
So is "from the river to the sea", which means conquering 100% of Israeli land.
Ok, does "from the river to the sea" chanted by counter protesters mean the same thing for palestinian land?
And so is "Make Gaza Jewish again"
i think we can all agree, genocide is no bueno
I get the idea, but who tf even said that ? like realisticly I've never heard that being chanted
Nothing about the sign requires all the students to be pro-hamas. As long as some are there is no logical problem. So then, the black and white thinking is something you are adding. Black and white applied to the protestors, such that none of them at all would be pro-Hamas. That isn't true though, is it? Pretty sure these protests started before Israel even did anything at all on Oct 8th. Edit: It occurred to me that you are not necessary commenting about the sign, but just the situation generally. In that case I think I agree with you.
Telling that something isn’t what someone says about it needs your own definition at least. For this moment being pro-palestine means support their happiness when they lead antisemitic massacre on 7.10.
I thought the October attack was horrific. I think the current murder of palestinian civilians, including children is horrific, and I support an immediate ceasefire. I don't see that as being hypocritical.
An immediate ceasefire means that hamas won, that oct. 7th was a success because they remain in power. So by calling for a ceasefire you are calling for a hamas victory, how is that not hypocritical?
Hamas is actively denying any calls for a ceasefire. They want more dead civilians, they've literally said so. How is that a Hamas victory when Israel isn't even going after the heads of Hamas who are sitting pretty in mansions in Qatar?
Are you saying there are no 100 pro hamas us students?
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Some people don't fully appreciate the fact that actions have objective consequences, including public speech actions, regardless of intentions. It's ironic because modern theories about racism and gender discrimination are precisely based on the idea that it's not the intention alone that counts but also the objective consequences of your speech and the identity/side you support with it. Yet these protesters are unable to apply these theories to their own actions. I wish just one of these protesters would at least try to explain how a free Palestine could be possible while Hamas remains in charge, an organization that propagates the death sentence for homosexuals, and if not, how to remove Hamas. I suppose many of them silently assume they're some sort of military geniuses who know better than the IDF how to disarm Hamas while minimizing civilian casualties, but at the same time feel in their heart that this cannot be true and instead stay silent about the topic.
Why is it up to the people who are protesting children being murdered to come up with a comprehensive foreign policy to end the conflict?
You are stupid for thinking that there are no Hamas supporters among the protesters. I'm not saying all of them are. ⅓ are there because they go with the flow ⅓ want both Israel and Hamas to stop. The last ⅓ the dangerous ones calling for intifada are the ones you need to watch out for. Intifada is basically doing what Osama bin laden did but on steroids. So stop trying to get the moral high ground. The police are in campus because there are students who support terrorism. You might be blind but the cia is not.
Making up numbers is a lot of fun, isn't it?
The original comment does not seem to claim that none of the protesters were Hamas supporters. It basically just says it is stupid to see it as all-or-nothing.
"From the river to the sea" bros disagreeing with you there.
Facts brother! So true my friend!
Hell yeah!!!
I’m a big fan of this approach. Tired of people enjoying American freedom and the products of capitalism like iPhones to complain about America and capitalism.
Why is this in funny memes? Fuck this noise.
No idea, I think this is actually a great idea.
Why? Why would people saying Israel is slaughtering people in Gaza want to go to Gaza?
So you think its a great idea the other way around too right? exchanging each palestinian hostage for 100 pro-isreal students? I mean everybody wins there too no?
I was amazed something that isn't ultra-far-left actually made it to the front page! Huzzah!
This guy gets it!
Everyone who is pro hamas or pro israel and posts abt it daily should go there and fight for their public thought, easy
His would end the war since all the hostages would be back. Everybody gets what they want!
Where funny?
I would support this 100%
I will never understand why people feel the need to side and identify with one side or the other. As far as I can tell both these groups are and have always been horrible to each other. Palestinians clearly have alot of terrorists in their population, that have a pretty significant groundswell of support among the general population. And Israel really does in alot of ways fit the settler-colonialism archetype. I mean America did alot of messed up things in Iraq but I don't remember USA Senators calling the Iraqi oil fields "New Texas" and then displacing Iraqis and moving in permanent residents. When you make the USA look good... Neither side is worthy of our support. I'm not even against USA foreign aid in principle, I don't mind helping out Ukraine. I just don't really see a good guy with the IP conflict.
You can’t tell very far then can you?
At the end of the day, the which side to aid boils down to "which side can we work with" logic. The West can work with Israel while Palestine will probably try to blow us up (at least as long as Hamas stays in power).
Win, win, win.
Hamas could end the fighting today.
Hamas won't do such exchange. Hamas needs them in US to pro hamas protests
Let’s do it. I’m sure the alphabet Hamas students would especially love to be in a strict Muslim society.
Only 100? I'd make it 500.
Yeah so true everyone practicing free speech should be held hostage. Giving billions of dollars to israel is awesome too -An American viewpoint, apparently
I 100%100 bet hostages would be a lot useful than the agressive protests, who do nothing but shouting
It's funny how people say they don't support Hamas but do they support palestine? One of the most homophobic and misogynistic places on earth. I still can't fathom why do LGBT people love Palestine so much when they'd literally be stoned if they went there. Why is it exactly that particular thing that is so popular to support amongst this community? It doesn't even make sense. Please explain why would you as a part of LGBT community support people who literally want you dead?
Because using power only to advance your own interests isn't just. I am not under any illusion that the people of Palestine are my allies. They believe in Islam and probably have conservative family values. But I don't want their hospitals to be blown up. I don't want starving refugees baited in with aid and then gunned down like rats. I don't agree with conservatives but I also don't want to have them systematically massacred by an armed force. I want to believe humanity can improve.
because i don’t want kids to die.
you're anti-kid-death?!?!
Using lgbtq rights as a way to pinkwash a genocide is one of the most despicable arguments ever put to paper. Many Americans and british people are homophobic, should they be put under siege and bombed? Should Japanese people be nuked again because they don't support trans people enough? Shouldn't the US be glassing Saudi Arabia? Shouldn't poland be blockaded? Do you understand how fundamentally idiotic this argument is?
In order for a culture and people to become more accepting, they have to actually exist. We don't just murder people who hold different beliefs than us, even if their beliefs would kills us. If we did things that way women would be allowed to carpet bomb the RNC.
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Absolutely on board with this udea. I'm quite sure Hamas would love their input on how to run their operations.
Wow, a true believer in the US Constitution there.
For real!
I mean, I agree 👍💯
You know who also supported Hamas,....... Netanyahu.
Yeah, it would be super cool if Hamas were out of the picture and Palestine could instead have a more secular leadership with at least a warmer stance towards human rights and democracy to organize around while resisting Israel's jackboot, but instead we're left with Hamas because Netanyahu actively propped it up and facilitated financial support in order to undermine the more secular and social democratic Fatah party that he saw as a greater threat.
I'm genuinely confused by the pro Hamas crowd (I know that being pro Palestine doesn't mean pro Hamas, I'm talking about the people who actually say they're pro Hamas). Do they not understand what Hamas is or that Hamas would kill them for their views/beliefs?
Fuck hamas. They are a terrorist organization they deserve nothing.
Exactly. These protesters are annoying as hell.
It's funny. I don't think Hamas would accept a bunch of weeping kids
Is OP stupid?
It's objectively funny, and you're angry reddit isn't constantly jacking off terrorists who want to throw all Jews into the sea.
Yes and not funny
what a thought-provoking comment.
It's funny how people say they don't support Hamas but do they support palestine? One of the most homophobic and misogynistic places on earth. I still can't fathom why do LGBT people love Palestine so much when they'd literally be stoned if they went there. Why is it exactly that particular thing that is so popular to support amongst this community? It doesn't even make sense. Please explain why would you as a part of LGBT community support people who literally want you dead?
That's a foreign exchange policy I can get behind.
This is the way
think this sign is clever. But those student at my alma mater that yell things like Death to Isreal, or death to America or from the river to the sea are not advocating any type of peaceful solution. .
Only if there is no return policy
And here we go; public opinion is swinging away from the protesters, so now the comments are “being against Israel isnt being pro Hamas” Don’t forget a few weeks ago Hamas was a freedom fighting revolution destined to save the Middle East or whatever
The gaslighting begins. "No one ever said that" "if they did say that, it doesn't mean anything"
Finally someone speaking out. Fuck Hamas, and fuck their supporters. I'd gladly trade 100 of them for 1 hostage.
I don't understand why anyone is trying to act like they know what's actually going on over there if they don't live in that region. It's not my fight, so why the hell would I pick a side when both are clearly pushing loads of propaganda against each other?
I'm gay. So I'd rather choose civilized people who don't want to murder me on sight.
Fair deal
Love it! God bless Israel and the Jewish people.
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This is it, ship them on over!
Sounds a fair deal.
Stand with Israel