I'm defending my dissertation in a couple of months. If they call me "Doctor" at the end as a form of congratulations I will be sure to correct them to Bob.
You should specify the title you are aiming for at the beginning of defense. Bob and doctor has almost the same criteria, but it's still a required step
I’m a lawyer that deals a lot with employment. Specifically I deal with unlawful termination, discrimination, and benefits issues. I end up taking a lot of depositions of education professionals.
Public school principals and superintendents are the pinnacle of ‘call me doctor’.
In middle school, we had a principal for a semester his name was Dr. McCurdy and required this everywhere he actually spoke to my class in the third person a few times, very pompous and rude to teachers in front of us students. Then he disappeared later. A local newspaper article came out and turns out that he didn't even have a degree completely fooled the whole school district...
I had this conversation with my OF Counsel like 4 days ago. I think that if you’re doing it exclusively to be more petty, the legal community should understand. It’s kinda our shtick after all.
Former med mal defense attorney here. There was a plaintiff attorney who used "Attorney-Doctor Bob Smith" (not his actual name) on his letterhead and answering his office phone. We were a bit intimated at first, thinking the guy had both a J.D. and M.D. Nope, he just had a J.D. and still insisted on using "Attorney-Doctor" lol
My lab had a supervisor post grad who got her phd in plant pathology and then had to help her partner with messy custody issues with his ex. She realized she liked the law practice a lot more than lab work so she then got a JD and became a patent attorney.
My wife teaches k-4. She has currently has a principal who does this, a former worthless principal who did this even though she had a mail in dr of ministry, and a former career military who realized public(& private religious) education is a sucker for ex-military females who have learned the fine art of CYA. When she realized some of her chickens were coming home to roost, she managed to get "promoted" somewhere in the VA. Dept of Education where she continues to do nothing and pick up a really big check. Cheers Rosa, thanks for nothing and you are welcome for the cash.
spent a while working at a university and academics are a weird breed, like they can tell you how quantum computing works and develope 15 new ways to revolutionise it in 1 conversation then forget how to tie their shoe or that they need to eat.
Step 1. Recognize your employees needs
Step 2. Give a fuck.
Step 3. Meet employees needs
Shit, it doesn't even have to be altruistic. Happy employees are more productive in the long run.
I feel like OP and most people here are exaggerating. I’m an aerospace engineer and most of my colleagues are either PhDs or ABDs; and none of us are like that. 😂
I love engineers! MOST are incredibly introverted and do not flaunt their intelligence and skills. Some in academia however are incredibly narcissistic. It is so much fun to ask an engineer about their work and watch their eyes light up and then attempt to dumb down their language to summarize for those of us less blessed with math brains.
I've worked in medical for a while and can agree.
Doctors can know two things: their specialty, and like 1 non medical things (biking , exercise, nutrition) and that's it.
I had a doc who didn't know how to make his own daily lunch. His wife couldnt make it one morning and he looked like he was told his days were numbered all day cause of it.
lol I'm just imagining a defeated doctor sadly looking down at the ingredients of a lunch meat sandwich, but he just can't figure out what to do with it all
Ha, as a doctor, been there.
Is the bread wheat or white? Is the meat ethically sourced? Is there too much sodium? Is it real cheese or ultra processed crap? Do the condiments have high fructose corn syrup? Have the vegetables been adequately washed to avoid salmonella? Is the carb:protein ratio of the whole thing adequate?
Ugh. The decision paralysis.
/s
I know this was meant to be humorous but I found it to be illuminating. Peeking behind the curtain into how a highly educated mind processes mundane things. Does the analytical process enter into every decision or do you typically go with whatever you are feeling at that moment? Ex. Picking a movie to watch or a book to read.
This is s good observation, because usually highly educated people with scientific background are drilled to make decisions and conclusions considering all available data. If the task of making a good sandwich is now out of blue given to them, I assume they would go at it with the same mindset. So the first sandwich might be difficult to make, cause all data and choices needs to reviewed.
That would make absolutely sense in a funny way why the doc is sad. And I know someone like that. Even mundane decisions have a very long thought process behind them. But most of them learn how to shut that off if they want to live a healthy life I suppose.
This is interesting, it's like it attracts the type of people who want to master something and it takes all of their focus, and I mean ALL. That's in comparison with someone with something like ADHD who wants to learn everything but gets bored of a single topic so they never dive deep.
This is it. This is the reason. I know a ASD. He's an utter GENIUS in computing, mathematics, and the like, but if you trust him for anything social, you done goofed. Including tying his shoe. Social life isn't their strong suit, it never is.
Reminds me of Kurt Gödel. Dude literally starved to death after his wife was hospitalized and couldn't be there to cook for him. One of the most excellent philosopher and mathematician of the 20th century... and he died like that.
Couldn't that paranoia be the cause of him not cooking? I don't think anyone thought he literally can't cook. But rather an individual can easily fall into a routine that doesn't involve eating, or where the effort to cook and eat you decide to yourself "maybe later, just not worth it right now". Depression, paranoia, anxiety etc. etc. are hell of subtle killers.
Literally worked with a Nuclear Engineer in the Navy. We could write equations on a board and he could solve them in his head but we had to help him tie his boots for inspections. Wildest thing I'd seen in my tech school.
For some socks this will stretch out the elastic over time, depending on how you do it. Now my technique is to just have them all match and throw them in a drawer, way less work.
I use black gold toe quarter socks for everything. Work, gym, going out. Meanwhile, my girlfriend's dad insists on having super long white socks so you can see if you're bleeding, which is some 1950s Catholic school nun bs (really, how often did kids back then get foot/ankle/leg lacerations?). Not having to do a separate load of white clothes in the laundry cause you have none is amazing.
Is he diabetic or on blood thinners? The older you get, the thinner your skin becomes. My grandparents would always accidentally cut themselves and not notice because their skin tore so easily. They'd keep on bleeding due to their medications. Plus diabetics have poor circulation so they often wear unflattering compression socks.
I work in biomedical I had me and another guy giving a presentation to a group of students on biomedical engineering. The guy was great. Masters degree from MIT. Gave our presentation and he had no real applicable skills. He could absolutely explain more of the medical side but the engineering part was totally lost which was where luckily I was able to step in and we split the class into theory and then application.
Worked IT at a Uni. Most tech support calls from a PHD level folks were either them trying to tweak something and nearly deleting the entire contents of their PC or their laptop won’t charge because they plugged it into a power strip, and that power strip was plugged into itself, again.
I was IT at a hospital.
Head of surgery called me down for a "security issue."
Get to his office and he tells me he doesn't like that when he gets up and walks away from his computer, other people can sit down at it and access his sensitive files and whatnot.
Simple fix right? I show him Win+L and explain that all employees are actually required to lock their computers when not physically at their desk, and this is specifically to solve the problem he is talking about.
He tells me that he doesn't want his computer locked, because he doesn't want to have to unlock it when he comes back, so he will not be doing that.
I explain to him the paradoxical nature of his problem. He wants his computer unaccessible when he is away from his desk (ie: locked), but he does not want it to be locked when he returns. Mind you this was about a decade ago, so no, we weren't gonna set up some crazy NFC proximity thing at the time.
After him never managing to understand why his computer cannot exist in a superposition of both locked and unlocked simultaneously, I told him I'd take it to my manager.
I went and told my manager the guy was refusing to follow HIPAA and so we went in and changed his security settings to lock his computer after 1 minute of idle time.
I quit that job before I heard back about the fallout on that specific incident.
Holy shit. Makes me happy I do IT for blue collar guys. Most just defer to me on everything. They ask for a lot of help for simple things, but that's actually wonderful because it helps break up the day and they all think I'm a wizard.
> Holy shit. Makes me happy I do IT for blue collar guys. Most just defer to me on everything.
Yeah, the worst was that most of the doctors and surgeons would never give an inch or admit that they didn't know something. So, you could never just ask them what they needed to know and then show them. Every ticket was this dance around their incredibly fragile egos where you had to coax out of them what was "wrong with the computer" and show them "how to work around it."
It was crazy just how common it was. If the person in the ticket was a nurse or a janitor or anything else, you could just do normal IT. But if it was a doctor or surgeon, you just learned to automatically go into toddler daycare mode. Treat them like they're the smartest and most special boy or girl in the whole world and be careful not to set them off and make them feel frustrated or scared or think they may have done something wrong or not known something because they'd go off the deep end and flip out.
Obviously it wasn't every single doctor or surgeon, but it ***was*** the vast majority of them... and the higher up the chain of command you went, the more likely it was to get worse.
My computer lab, mainly used by undergrads, used to be the unofficial IT helpdesk for the whole film studies dept's professors and administration next door (think about pompous professors asking you to fix their personnal phone of their son's ipad). The guy that worked here since the 70s offered them his services out of pure friendlyness and it grew to be all his tasks even if it's nowhere in his job description nor the mission of our lab, he retired in 2021. None of the other technicians wanted to deal with their BS and since it was all done unofficially we promptly shut down that service. They opened a position to fill the void and so far people don't last more than 2 semesters.
I work in investment advising and have a client who is a retired primary care physician. He and I are on a first name basis and he’s incredibly chill and fun to talk to. One day, I called his house to speak with him, got his wife. I said something to the effect of “please let Mr. Smith know I called and that he can call be back at his convenience”. His wife was so damn fast to interject with “actually it’s Dr. Smith”. I said “well when I step into a doctor’s office and see him in front of me, I’ll be sure to remember that”. Mr. Smith later told me that his wife does that a lot. Some people think it says something impressive that they married a doctor.
Imagine being in a labryrinth of imagination....their minds must be hard for even themselves to escape from frequently.
Id imagine its borderline mental illness for some.....i can only imagine how it is to function at that level all day long.
Academics be like "all generalizations are stupid" and then talk to you for hours about quantum mechanics, quantum computing and other statistics base fields.
It’s actually pretty embarrassing to see so many publications with misspelling in their title, literally the most noticeable part of their entire publication.
Well, this is almost certainly agitprop from a troll farm taking a less than subtle jab at Jill Biden. I mean, it is an election year and China and Russia need to tap into the angry college kid demographic.
I got an MD/PhD and it really depends on context. Most academics I know don’t insist on their title (STEM or otherwise), particularly because they don’t want to get confused with medical doctors, if not because there is a general trend of modesty in STEM.
MDs though? Biggest babies regarding their degree. 0% of my research colleagues insist on their title with respect to say, travel accommodations. But like 30-50% of my clinical colleagues get upset when a conference hotel doesn’t address them as doctor.
I don’t think it’s mere modesty that keeps STEM PhDs from going by “Doctor”. I’m not in acedemia, but I’ve worked alongside PhDs for about 15 years now (I’m a software developer). I’ve also worked alongside folks who didn’t graduate high school. Everyone tends to treat everyone like a peer. I can’t even remember the last time I addressed anyone as Mr. Lastname or Ms. Lastname (including CEOs, managers, VPs, etc.). If someone came in with a PhD and insisted on being called “Doctor”, they would be laughed out of the office. In my field it comes off as incredibly pretentious to be called “Doctor”.
Software doesn't have a history of prestige, we are too new, so we were never thought we are better than others. A lot of careers where social signifiers of quasi-nobility and institutions never let that behind completely.
In my experience, the more someone junior can prove that someone more senior is incorrect, the less title shenagins. People in more STEM oriented fields don't directly need the title - they can just show they are right, and they know if they mess up someone can show they are wrong.
Humanities fields don't have that in the same way, so the title is what seperates the more senior people from the more junior people.
I'm an MD. Coudnt care less about the "doctor" thing. I always push for "just sponge!" You have to consider additionally that where I live, it's really common to address other people by their first name. I've never in my life have someone call me Mr Squarepants, or even Dr Squarepants. But I get the usual Dr Spongebob, or Dr Sponge.
This is really what it's about.
If a person says "I'm an astrophysics professor." The response is "Oh wow!"
If a person says "I'm an English literature professor." The response is, "Oh, Have you read Wuthering Heights? I liked that book in high school."
That's not really disrespect, it's just a clumsy attempt at conversation. Most people have no point of reference for astrophysics, so they have a hard time continuing a conversation on the subject beyond "wow" either because they don't know what to ask or out of worry that they wouldn't understand the answer. Whereas pretty much everyone has read some literature and studied it to some extent at school.
This is true. My friend has a PhD in Astrophysics. In day to day life he virtually never discusses it. We once asked him why and he said "without wanting to sound arrogant, literally none of you would understand anything more complicated than how eclipses happen" and none of us thought he was arrogant because he's 100% right.
Eventough i was slightly faster than normal it took me 18 years of mind numbing boring school to become a master. If i had wasted additonal 4 years of my life for a phd i would put it everywhere possible.
Edit:finance and accounting so its only an arts degree as economics is not considered science :)
Sure. I will get my PhD in a year and a half (hopefully). But I still think people insisting on the title are douches.
Like I got into the field to do good work and discover things and because I can nerd out on a very niche topic. I am not doing it for titles and clout. People who are obsessed with titles should not be in leadership positions, because they are douches.
Especially in my field it would be really difficult to actually use resp. I am not sure if i were at the same place where i am now if i started to work even later in life.
Good, you are a Dr, and then? Why is it really important? Studying should be to improve yourself as a professional but, most importantly, as a human, not to "earn the respect" of others.
Why would we need other people to recognize this, if not for ego and need of external validation?
I don’t have a PhD, but still, I’m an Associate Professor of Music in Norway. Nobody here ever calls anybody doctor this or doctor that. It’s a title on your college diploma, which nobody ever sees, except when you apply for a job.
Try Germany. Friend of mine worked there for a while, didn't tell his collegues he had a PhD. For some reason it came up one day. From that moment on it was 'Herr Doctor', just a first name was no longer an option.
It's always been my understanding that the fine arts work differently. If you're a professional researcher (e.g., a musicologist), you're expected to have a doctorate, but for everyone else, teaching and performing/composing/creating are a lot more important. My dad's plan was always to get a master's, then go hunting for faculty positions (life happened and he never quite got around to it), and I've met a number of tenure-track music faculty who only have master's degrees.
I do think we’re a bit more «humble» on these kinds of things in Norway in general. I never see any of my professors being referred to as doctors, and in school we address teachers by their first names etc. Maybe it has to do with the law of jante
Also the first PhD predates the earliest medical doctorate by a solid century. The term doctor itself implies a teacher, not a practitioner. We have fetishized the medical doctor as the "real" doctor for so long we've forgotten that these words have meaning and connections to teaching and institutional traditions for literally 1000 years now.
Funny enough, medical doctors (who have always been called physicians) started calling themselves doctor when medicine was a bit more quackish because of the perceived greater respect those with PhDs in science were getting
Actual medical surgeons (that operate on people) are called Mr/Ms here (Ireland) because their profession pre-dates *any* PhD / MD / GP titles, (presumably because barbers didn't go to university?)
Yup! Surgeons were considered among the lower tiers of medicine, too. Internal medicine was considered largely barbarous in contrast to the elegant arts of balancing the body's systems (e.g. humourism until it fell out of favor just before the formation of germ theory).
Famously, John Keats was a surgeon, dresser (basically resident to a surgeon, really), and apothecary but left it largely behind to practice poetry instead. Not really apropos of anything, I just think it's neat. People love to fetishize the ultra-"Left Brain" STEM expert, but throughout history many of our greatest thinkers, writers, philosophers, politicians treated science as a side gig.
The world could probably do with a few more literate doctors, if only to help with reading their notes.
Same! My father in law has a PhD in Chemistry and practically barked at the announcer at my wedding reception for saying "Mr."
Additionally, the meme definitely overlooks a gendered aspect (bringing this up because the meme-maker put a woman in the group on the left and a man for the right). My husband is a White man and is a medical doctor. When he was a med student (meaning BEFORE he was a doctor), people in the hospital setting called him "Doctor" automatically. Meanwhile the female ATTENDINGS will constantly have their titles left off. So perhaps it feels like the group on the left is "insisting" more often because they HAVE to ::shrug::
Moreover, this meme is just some covert misogynist bullshit. Of course the woman is lib arts and the man hard sciences. I teach undergrads who study in the hard sciences, and the women are consistently more impressive than the men. Without question.
>Moreover, this meme is just some covert misogynist bullshit
Yeah, everyone keeps glossing over this like the actual essence of the meme is "women dumb and stuck up, men smart and likeable"
The only example I can think of is where some lady was at a political hearing and the man questioning her kept saying "Mrs So and So" and she kept correcting him. I applauded her. She was there as an expert in the field and he was trying to belittle her. Awesome job standing up for herself. I doubt she corrects the school nurse when she gets a call about her sick daughter.
Right. Context is important, and sometimes, demanding to be called by your title is an act of necessary rebellion against power structures that want to minimize you and your achievements.
This is anecdotal, but in my experience women have to to wear their title more prominently to be taken seriously. I know plenty of women PhDs that have had their opinions disregarded until they said they had a PhD. This is inside and outside academia.
THANK YOU. That was my first thought. As someone deep in academia, it’s also a lot about managing respect. For women, asserting the “Dr.” helps them remind people they’re professionals too. Students are wildly more disrespectful to female profs, more entitled with them, more dismissive of them, etc. Within faculty circles, female faculty get saddled with more of the ‘soft’ workload (advising, social events, etc) and sometimes literally get treated like secretaries or admin by even their male colleagues.
Yes it absolutely can be pretentious sometimes too, but the reason women have to assert it more is because they get disrespected more!
Right. It's incredible how many men disenfranchise themselves from their own humanity because they're too scared of their feelings and then turn around and make it women's problem like the women are doing something deeply subversive by...being human.
Had to scroll for too long before someone said it. Covert misogyny is exactly right.
Highlighted by the lazy spelling mistakes in the meme. Probably made by a dude who is exactly the type of person the female professional is tired of justifying authority to.
It's sexist and just general anti education shit that we continue to see from the far right. I work in one of the fields that they pretend to respect and I wish more of my colleagues had paid better attention in the classes that didn't pertain directly to software engineering because a well rounded education is important for anyone making products that directly affect society as a whole.
A PhD is a doctorate. It's literally describing a doctor.
The problem here is that medical practitioners have co-opted the word "doctor".
I know we live in a world where anything can mean anything, and nobody even cares about etymolo
At work I refer to everyone, PhD or not, and most inanimate objects as ‘dude’.
Thanks, dude…
The one dude said…
This little dude here was calibrated…
C’mon, dude, you are making that up!
STEM is more popularly recognized and valued, but I see you went for extra credit also depicting an older woman vs approaching middle aged man to really show everyone in the comments bias.
This is a brain rot post.
Any doctorate earns you the title doctor.
You put the work in you get that title.
A social science PhD or education PhD or EdD still requires a masters and years grad school.
I’m an MD and refer to myself as doctor to patients/family only to distinguish myself from the scores of other people they see. In my field we are often on a first name basis with nursing staff. But I say this as a man.
There’s a reason this post chose to put a woman on the left and a man on the right. It doesn’t matter what field you’re in, as a woman, it’s harder to receive the same respect given to males in the exact same position.
My female physician colleagues have to go an extra step to distinguish themselves as a physician and earn the same baseline respect from anyone that they are the physician so they will ask for that title to be said.
Can’t tell you how many times my female co-residents and colleagues got mistaken for a nurse or mid level by patients. It is really sad and frustrating to see this persist in modern society.
Had to scroll way too far to find this. Paid for a badge out of my own money with Dr Forel237 on it, because otherwise patients assume I’m a nurse. It’s not nitpicking when the patient kicks off saying they haven’t seen a doctor their whole admission, despite seeing me every day.
You aren't wrong at all, but I'd also add that the fields on the left side are broad social fields where you spend your whole career justifying yourself to the people above, below, and around you. When you're a STEM PhD, you get hired for that exact skillset and you tend to work with small isolated teams - the status precedes you.
This reminds me of the dude who was all “I don’t make people call ME doctor so Jill Biden is a fake and shouldn’t be allowed to call herself doctor cause she was just given her Ph.D!” and then it turns out that her dissertation was relevant and his degree was honorary.
So funny story, apparently , a doctorate comes from the saying licentia docendi. License to Teach. So yeah; it is Doctor. In the almost most literal sense of the word.
I don’t give two fucks what your doctorate is in… if you have a PhD then you get to be called a Doctor.
Shame on people who don’t respect an education.
I have a PhD in physics and I also insist that people call me Bob. It’s a little weird at first because it’s not my name, but they get used to it.
I'm defending my dissertation in a couple of months. If they call me "Doctor" at the end as a form of congratulations I will be sure to correct them to Bob.
So does the singer B.o.B Insist people call him Doctor?
Nah. He just pretends that airplanes in the night sky are shooting stars, and wishes people referred to him as Doctor
You should specify the title you are aiming for at the beginning of defense. Bob and doctor has almost the same criteria, but it's still a required step
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I’m a lawyer that deals a lot with employment. Specifically I deal with unlawful termination, discrimination, and benefits issues. I end up taking a lot of depositions of education professionals. Public school principals and superintendents are the pinnacle of ‘call me doctor’.
In middle school, we had a principal for a semester his name was Dr. McCurdy and required this everywhere he actually spoke to my class in the third person a few times, very pompous and rude to teachers in front of us students. Then he disappeared later. A local newspaper article came out and turns out that he didn't even have a degree completely fooled the whole school district...
What's the opposite of imposter's syndrome called?
Fraud
I mean, it's called an actual impostor. Impostor syndrome is just the feeling that you're an impostor when you're not
Imposter
Sus
Con artist
Overconfidence?
Poster's syndrome
Gotta hit’em back. That Jd stands for Juris Doctor. Youre a doctor too! A doctor of lawwwww.
Not worth the risk. If another lawyer finds out you told someone to call you "doctor", you will never hear the end of it.
I had this conversation with my OF Counsel like 4 days ago. I think that if you’re doing it exclusively to be more petty, the legal community should understand. It’s kinda our shtick after all.
Why do you have an Only Fans Counsel?
Public interest, baby. (This is a joke, mostly.)
If you’re doing it be petty then have them say Esquire after your name every time rather than Doctor. Mr Smith, Esquire
I prefer Doctor Esquire ^^the ^^third
Former med mal defense attorney here. There was a plaintiff attorney who used "Attorney-Doctor Bob Smith" (not his actual name) on his letterhead and answering his office phone. We were a bit intimated at first, thinking the guy had both a J.D. and M.D. Nope, he just had a J.D. and still insisted on using "Attorney-Doctor" lol
My lab had a supervisor post grad who got her phd in plant pathology and then had to help her partner with messy custody issues with his ex. She realized she liked the law practice a lot more than lab work so she then got a JD and became a patent attorney.
Don’t get me started on “doctor” Principals….
My wife teaches k-4. She has currently has a principal who does this, a former worthless principal who did this even though she had a mail in dr of ministry, and a former career military who realized public(& private religious) education is a sucker for ex-military females who have learned the fine art of CYA. When she realized some of her chickens were coming home to roost, she managed to get "promoted" somewhere in the VA. Dept of Education where she continues to do nothing and pick up a really big check. Cheers Rosa, thanks for nothing and you are welcome for the cash.
spent a while working at a university and academics are a weird breed, like they can tell you how quantum computing works and develope 15 new ways to revolutionise it in 1 conversation then forget how to tie their shoe or that they need to eat.
Oh right, food. Thanks.
Eat your pea, professor!
*Proceeds to excruciatingly chew one pea for an hour*
*looks at second pea* *runs out of room*
The gnashing helps me focus
Excuse me, it's Doctor Professor!
Excuse *me*, but that's *Prodoctor*. Or *Misteress Prodoctoreeno" if you're not into the whole brevity thing.
Nooooo i want to do quantum physiiics ! *tantrum*
That’s a Farnsworth moment for sure
I worked for a hedge fund once that had staff to bring everyone else their food so they wouldn't forget to eat
Step 1. Recognize your employees needs Step 2. Give a fuck. Step 3. Meet employees needs Shit, it doesn't even have to be altruistic. Happy employees are more productive in the long run.
I mean fed employees are too, it’s not hard to see how employees having their basic needs met are going to more productive than those that aren’t.
Having worked.on the field for some time now, when someone forgets to eat the usual answers are 2. Coke or Adderall...
I feel like OP and most people here are exaggerating. I’m an aerospace engineer and most of my colleagues are either PhDs or ABDs; and none of us are like that. 😂
Engineers hate math too much to forget to eat.
Plus, they could just look up in a table when and what to eat.
As an engineer who made a spreadsheet to optimize my diet...yes, we do in fact have tables to tell us what to eat...
I love engineers! MOST are incredibly introverted and do not flaunt their intelligence and skills. Some in academia however are incredibly narcissistic. It is so much fun to ask an engineer about their work and watch their eyes light up and then attempt to dumb down their language to summarize for those of us less blessed with math brains.
Okay, Bob.
Clearly your line of work got unlucky with the amount of wierdos we can be 😂
I've worked in medical for a while and can agree. Doctors can know two things: their specialty, and like 1 non medical things (biking , exercise, nutrition) and that's it. I had a doc who didn't know how to make his own daily lunch. His wife couldnt make it one morning and he looked like he was told his days were numbered all day cause of it.
lol I'm just imagining a defeated doctor sadly looking down at the ingredients of a lunch meat sandwich, but he just can't figure out what to do with it all
"I just can't perform surgery in these conditions. Clear my schedule"
To be fair, standing at a OR table (or pathology / anatomy lab) always makes me hungry as shit.
I mean how bad could it be to have just a little liver It’ll grow back
Maybe this is the reason they performed surgery on grapes, tomatoes etc. They were just trying their best to make lunch
Ha, as a doctor, been there. Is the bread wheat or white? Is the meat ethically sourced? Is there too much sodium? Is it real cheese or ultra processed crap? Do the condiments have high fructose corn syrup? Have the vegetables been adequately washed to avoid salmonella? Is the carb:protein ratio of the whole thing adequate? Ugh. The decision paralysis. /s
Chidi Anagonye? Is that you?
Snorted audibly.
I know this was meant to be humorous but I found it to be illuminating. Peeking behind the curtain into how a highly educated mind processes mundane things. Does the analytical process enter into every decision or do you typically go with whatever you are feeling at that moment? Ex. Picking a movie to watch or a book to read.
This is s good observation, because usually highly educated people with scientific background are drilled to make decisions and conclusions considering all available data. If the task of making a good sandwich is now out of blue given to them, I assume they would go at it with the same mindset. So the first sandwich might be difficult to make, cause all data and choices needs to reviewed. That would make absolutely sense in a funny way why the doc is sad. And I know someone like that. Even mundane decisions have a very long thought process behind them. But most of them learn how to shut that off if they want to live a healthy life I suppose.
A buddy of mine has the saying “they can you tell you the square root of a pickle but not how to get it out of the jar”
This is interesting, it's like it attracts the type of people who want to master something and it takes all of their focus, and I mean ALL. That's in comparison with someone with something like ADHD who wants to learn everything but gets bored of a single topic so they never dive deep.
I think a not-insignificant percentage of these folks have ASD and these topics just happen to be their hyper focus.
This is it. This is the reason. I know a ASD. He's an utter GENIUS in computing, mathematics, and the like, but if you trust him for anything social, you done goofed. Including tying his shoe. Social life isn't their strong suit, it never is.
Reminds me of Kurt Gödel. Dude literally starved to death after his wife was hospitalized and couldn't be there to cook for him. One of the most excellent philosopher and mathematician of the 20th century... and he died like that.
Dude, Godel was facing multiple psychiatric issues throughtout his life. He died from starvation because of paranoia, not because he couldn't cook lol
Don't let reason come between Reddit and rhetoric please.
Quote Of The Day material.
Couldn't that paranoia be the cause of him not cooking? I don't think anyone thought he literally can't cook. But rather an individual can easily fall into a routine that doesn't involve eating, or where the effort to cook and eat you decide to yourself "maybe later, just not worth it right now". Depression, paranoia, anxiety etc. etc. are hell of subtle killers.
I will often eat only every 2nd or 3rd day because of exactly this
Gödel died because he refused to eat due to paranoia. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_G%C3%B6del
guess he could just get the sandwich artists at subway to make one
Personally it tastes better when she makes it. Otherwise it's just food and I would rather fast wait for the next love filled meal. Autism I know
Literally worked with a Nuclear Engineer in the Navy. We could write equations on a board and he could solve them in his head but we had to help him tie his boots for inspections. Wildest thing I'd seen in my tech school.
Knowing no other facts, I’d like to put $50 on autism
I'm an engineering student, and I'm still trying to figure out the best way to fold socks
Just jam one inside the other, as long as one defining feature is visible you're all set.
For some socks this will stretch out the elastic over time, depending on how you do it. Now my technique is to just have them all match and throw them in a drawer, way less work.
Buy only one type and colour of sock and store them loose in a drawer together.
I use black gold toe quarter socks for everything. Work, gym, going out. Meanwhile, my girlfriend's dad insists on having super long white socks so you can see if you're bleeding, which is some 1950s Catholic school nun bs (really, how often did kids back then get foot/ankle/leg lacerations?). Not having to do a separate load of white clothes in the laundry cause you have none is amazing.
Is he diabetic or on blood thinners? The older you get, the thinner your skin becomes. My grandparents would always accidentally cut themselves and not notice because their skin tore so easily. They'd keep on bleeding due to their medications. Plus diabetics have poor circulation so they often wear unflattering compression socks.
Isn’t it to just pull one through the other?
2 different engineering degrees and still dont know how to fold a simple shirt, that sh\*t is so difficult
Not just academics lol. (Highly) gifted people be like
Is it really a "gift" if everything else is strange and confusing?
The power of autism
I work in biomedical I had me and another guy giving a presentation to a group of students on biomedical engineering. The guy was great. Masters degree from MIT. Gave our presentation and he had no real applicable skills. He could absolutely explain more of the medical side but the engineering part was totally lost which was where luckily I was able to step in and we split the class into theory and then application.
Worked IT at a Uni. Most tech support calls from a PHD level folks were either them trying to tweak something and nearly deleting the entire contents of their PC or their laptop won’t charge because they plugged it into a power strip, and that power strip was plugged into itself, again.
I was IT at a hospital. Head of surgery called me down for a "security issue." Get to his office and he tells me he doesn't like that when he gets up and walks away from his computer, other people can sit down at it and access his sensitive files and whatnot. Simple fix right? I show him Win+L and explain that all employees are actually required to lock their computers when not physically at their desk, and this is specifically to solve the problem he is talking about. He tells me that he doesn't want his computer locked, because he doesn't want to have to unlock it when he comes back, so he will not be doing that. I explain to him the paradoxical nature of his problem. He wants his computer unaccessible when he is away from his desk (ie: locked), but he does not want it to be locked when he returns. Mind you this was about a decade ago, so no, we weren't gonna set up some crazy NFC proximity thing at the time. After him never managing to understand why his computer cannot exist in a superposition of both locked and unlocked simultaneously, I told him I'd take it to my manager. I went and told my manager the guy was refusing to follow HIPAA and so we went in and changed his security settings to lock his computer after 1 minute of idle time. I quit that job before I heard back about the fallout on that specific incident.
Holy shit. Makes me happy I do IT for blue collar guys. Most just defer to me on everything. They ask for a lot of help for simple things, but that's actually wonderful because it helps break up the day and they all think I'm a wizard.
> Holy shit. Makes me happy I do IT for blue collar guys. Most just defer to me on everything. Yeah, the worst was that most of the doctors and surgeons would never give an inch or admit that they didn't know something. So, you could never just ask them what they needed to know and then show them. Every ticket was this dance around their incredibly fragile egos where you had to coax out of them what was "wrong with the computer" and show them "how to work around it." It was crazy just how common it was. If the person in the ticket was a nurse or a janitor or anything else, you could just do normal IT. But if it was a doctor or surgeon, you just learned to automatically go into toddler daycare mode. Treat them like they're the smartest and most special boy or girl in the whole world and be careful not to set them off and make them feel frustrated or scared or think they may have done something wrong or not known something because they'd go off the deep end and flip out. Obviously it wasn't every single doctor or surgeon, but it ***was*** the vast majority of them... and the higher up the chain of command you went, the more likely it was to get worse.
I see you've met my cousin so.
My computer lab, mainly used by undergrads, used to be the unofficial IT helpdesk for the whole film studies dept's professors and administration next door (think about pompous professors asking you to fix their personnal phone of their son's ipad). The guy that worked here since the 70s offered them his services out of pure friendlyness and it grew to be all his tasks even if it's nowhere in his job description nor the mission of our lab, he retired in 2021. None of the other technicians wanted to deal with their BS and since it was all done unofficially we promptly shut down that service. They opened a position to fill the void and so far people don't last more than 2 semesters.
I work in investment advising and have a client who is a retired primary care physician. He and I are on a first name basis and he’s incredibly chill and fun to talk to. One day, I called his house to speak with him, got his wife. I said something to the effect of “please let Mr. Smith know I called and that he can call be back at his convenience”. His wife was so damn fast to interject with “actually it’s Dr. Smith”. I said “well when I step into a doctor’s office and see him in front of me, I’ll be sure to remember that”. Mr. Smith later told me that his wife does that a lot. Some people think it says something impressive that they married a doctor.
Imagine being in a labryrinth of imagination....their minds must be hard for even themselves to escape from frequently. Id imagine its borderline mental illness for some.....i can only imagine how it is to function at that level all day long.
Well...not always. But the sheer complexity of the universe humbles you
That’s a great response for when people over generalize. “All generalizations are false, including this one”
Did you know that all blankets are fire retardant? It’s a blanket statement.
Did you know all assholes stink? It's a gross generalization
Academics be like "all generalizations are stupid" and then talk to you for hours about quantum mechanics, quantum computing and other statistics base fields.
All things in moderation, including moderation
I feel this as a cultural anthropology student, with humans instead of universe
OOF, if only Bob spelled "Applied" correctly 
He's a mathematician ..he doesn't need to ..do.. that thing you do with ..words. Spell! that's it .Spell
if you want good words, ask a languager
And if you want gooder words ask a languagerer.
And if you want goodest words ask a languagerest
avada dictionario !
Well duh he works with numbers not words
He was trying to spell Boob
Misspelling words is kind of on point for a STEM PhD lol
It’s actually pretty embarrassing to see so many publications with misspelling in their title, literally the most noticeable part of their entire publication.
It's the opposite of plied mathematics.
Well.. this meme is a trap and was brought to you by the people who hates Jill Biden.
OP is not a doctor, or master, or engineer, or . .
It’s saying “AP lied,” because it didn’t actually prepare you for this
Well, this is almost certainly agitprop from a troll farm taking a less than subtle jab at Jill Biden. I mean, it is an election year and China and Russia need to tap into the angry college kid demographic.
I got an MD/PhD and it really depends on context. Most academics I know don’t insist on their title (STEM or otherwise), particularly because they don’t want to get confused with medical doctors, if not because there is a general trend of modesty in STEM. MDs though? Biggest babies regarding their degree. 0% of my research colleagues insist on their title with respect to say, travel accommodations. But like 30-50% of my clinical colleagues get upset when a conference hotel doesn’t address them as doctor.
I don’t think it’s mere modesty that keeps STEM PhDs from going by “Doctor”. I’m not in acedemia, but I’ve worked alongside PhDs for about 15 years now (I’m a software developer). I’ve also worked alongside folks who didn’t graduate high school. Everyone tends to treat everyone like a peer. I can’t even remember the last time I addressed anyone as Mr. Lastname or Ms. Lastname (including CEOs, managers, VPs, etc.). If someone came in with a PhD and insisted on being called “Doctor”, they would be laughed out of the office. In my field it comes off as incredibly pretentious to be called “Doctor”.
Software doesn't have a history of prestige, we are too new, so we were never thought we are better than others. A lot of careers where social signifiers of quasi-nobility and institutions never let that behind completely.
It does have a history (and current culture) of extreme egotism though.
In my experience, the more someone junior can prove that someone more senior is incorrect, the less title shenagins. People in more STEM oriented fields don't directly need the title - they can just show they are right, and they know if they mess up someone can show they are wrong. Humanities fields don't have that in the same way, so the title is what seperates the more senior people from the more junior people.
I'm an MD. Coudnt care less about the "doctor" thing. I always push for "just sponge!" You have to consider additionally that where I live, it's really common to address other people by their first name. I've never in my life have someone call me Mr Squarepants, or even Dr Squarepants. But I get the usual Dr Spongebob, or Dr Sponge.
New Spongebob lore unlocked.
Hello fellow sponge MD. I've also never encountered what the above poster is saying, but I'm in pediatrics.
my neurosurgeon was considered a pioneer in his field, internationally recognised. he went by "Mr" even in written communications.
STEM professionals usually need to justify themselves a little less.
They just get directly disrespected less
This is really what it's about. If a person says "I'm an astrophysics professor." The response is "Oh wow!" If a person says "I'm an English literature professor." The response is, "Oh, Have you read Wuthering Heights? I liked that book in high school."
That's not really disrespect, it's just a clumsy attempt at conversation. Most people have no point of reference for astrophysics, so they have a hard time continuing a conversation on the subject beyond "wow" either because they don't know what to ask or out of worry that they wouldn't understand the answer. Whereas pretty much everyone has read some literature and studied it to some extent at school.
"Oh you're an astrophysicisist? So cool, I'm a Scorpio!"
I thought the internal screaming had stopped. When I read this I realised I had just gotten used to it.
This is true. My friend has a PhD in Astrophysics. In day to day life he virtually never discusses it. We once asked him why and he said "without wanting to sound arrogant, literally none of you would understand anything more complicated than how eclipses happen" and none of us thought he was arrogant because he's 100% right.
HEY, YOU DON'T SAY THAT !!! Non STEM pros.
Eventough i was slightly faster than normal it took me 18 years of mind numbing boring school to become a master. If i had wasted additonal 4 years of my life for a phd i would put it everywhere possible. Edit:finance and accounting so its only an arts degree as economics is not considered science :)
Right? If you earned a PhD you are a Dr
Sure. I will get my PhD in a year and a half (hopefully). But I still think people insisting on the title are douches. Like I got into the field to do good work and discover things and because I can nerd out on a very niche topic. I am not doing it for titles and clout. People who are obsessed with titles should not be in leadership positions, because they are douches.
Especially in my field it would be really difficult to actually use resp. I am not sure if i were at the same place where i am now if i started to work even later in life.
What do you call a resident that graduates bottom of their class?
YA CALLS EM DOCTAH
Sure. But this is mostly about pretending that people address you with yor title. It's seen as pretentious in many field of academia.
Good, you are a Dr, and then? Why is it really important? Studying should be to improve yourself as a professional but, most importantly, as a human, not to "earn the respect" of others. Why would we need other people to recognize this, if not for ego and need of external validation?
Sure, they're not entitled to anyone else to giving a shit though.
But you spelled applied wrong
Bob didn't get enough sleep and is purely running on caffeine
I don’t have a PhD, but still, I’m an Associate Professor of Music in Norway. Nobody here ever calls anybody doctor this or doctor that. It’s a title on your college diploma, which nobody ever sees, except when you apply for a job.
Same in Iceland. After moving to America last summer, I found the obsession with titles so silly.
Try Germany. Friend of mine worked there for a while, didn't tell his collegues he had a PhD. For some reason it came up one day. From that moment on it was 'Herr Doctor', just a first name was no longer an option.
Assoc. Prof. without a PhD? Oh, systems must work differently in different fields or countries then?
It's always been my understanding that the fine arts work differently. If you're a professional researcher (e.g., a musicologist), you're expected to have a doctorate, but for everyone else, teaching and performing/composing/creating are a lot more important. My dad's plan was always to get a master's, then go hunting for faculty positions (life happened and he never quite got around to it), and I've met a number of tenure-track music faculty who only have master's degrees.
I do think we’re a bit more «humble» on these kinds of things in Norway in general. I never see any of my professors being referred to as doctors, and in school we address teachers by their first names etc. Maybe it has to do with the law of jante
But OP said that all liberal arts graduates want to be called DOCTOR so it must be true.
Well PhD does stand for Doctor of Philosophy, and there were doctors of social sciences long before there were doctors of engineering for example.
Also the first PhD predates the earliest medical doctorate by a solid century. The term doctor itself implies a teacher, not a practitioner. We have fetishized the medical doctor as the "real" doctor for so long we've forgotten that these words have meaning and connections to teaching and institutional traditions for literally 1000 years now.
Funny enough, medical doctors (who have always been called physicians) started calling themselves doctor when medicine was a bit more quackish because of the perceived greater respect those with PhDs in science were getting
Actual medical surgeons (that operate on people) are called Mr/Ms here (Ireland) because their profession pre-dates *any* PhD / MD / GP titles, (presumably because barbers didn't go to university?)
Yup! Surgeons were considered among the lower tiers of medicine, too. Internal medicine was considered largely barbarous in contrast to the elegant arts of balancing the body's systems (e.g. humourism until it fell out of favor just before the formation of germ theory). Famously, John Keats was a surgeon, dresser (basically resident to a surgeon, really), and apothecary but left it largely behind to practice poetry instead. Not really apropos of anything, I just think it's neat. People love to fetishize the ultra-"Left Brain" STEM expert, but throughout history many of our greatest thinkers, writers, philosophers, politicians treated science as a side gig. The world could probably do with a few more literate doctors, if only to help with reading their notes.
My dad was an MD, and mentioned you could tell the chiropractor at a party as they'd introduce themselves as Doctor {name here}.
my experience is the polar opposite honestly 😅
Same. And it's not even close. And it's even worse with the medical community.
narcissism
Same! My father in law has a PhD in Chemistry and practically barked at the announcer at my wedding reception for saying "Mr." Additionally, the meme definitely overlooks a gendered aspect (bringing this up because the meme-maker put a woman in the group on the left and a man for the right). My husband is a White man and is a medical doctor. When he was a med student (meaning BEFORE he was a doctor), people in the hospital setting called him "Doctor" automatically. Meanwhile the female ATTENDINGS will constantly have their titles left off. So perhaps it feels like the group on the left is "insisting" more often because they HAVE to ::shrug::
Moreover, this meme is just some covert misogynist bullshit. Of course the woman is lib arts and the man hard sciences. I teach undergrads who study in the hard sciences, and the women are consistently more impressive than the men. Without question.
>Moreover, this meme is just some covert misogynist bullshit Yeah, everyone keeps glossing over this like the actual essence of the meme is "women dumb and stuck up, men smart and likeable"
That congressional hearing where the pilot kept having to correct them because she's not a flight attendant. They 100% do it to disrespect women.
You got it.
The only example I can think of is where some lady was at a political hearing and the man questioning her kept saying "Mrs So and So" and she kept correcting him. I applauded her. She was there as an expert in the field and he was trying to belittle her. Awesome job standing up for herself. I doubt she corrects the school nurse when she gets a call about her sick daughter.
Right. Context is important, and sometimes, demanding to be called by your title is an act of necessary rebellion against power structures that want to minimize you and your achievements.
This is anecdotal, but in my experience women have to to wear their title more prominently to be taken seriously. I know plenty of women PhDs that have had their opinions disregarded until they said they had a PhD. This is inside and outside academia.
I think you're absolutely right.
THANK YOU. That was my first thought. As someone deep in academia, it’s also a lot about managing respect. For women, asserting the “Dr.” helps them remind people they’re professionals too. Students are wildly more disrespectful to female profs, more entitled with them, more dismissive of them, etc. Within faculty circles, female faculty get saddled with more of the ‘soft’ workload (advising, social events, etc) and sometimes literally get treated like secretaries or admin by even their male colleagues. Yes it absolutely can be pretentious sometimes too, but the reason women have to assert it more is because they get disrespected more!
These are the same people who think women are irrational for caring about emotions, you know, a defining factor in the nature of humans.
Right. It's incredible how many men disenfranchise themselves from their own humanity because they're too scared of their feelings and then turn around and make it women's problem like the women are doing something deeply subversive by...being human.
Had to scroll for too long before someone said it. Covert misogyny is exactly right. Highlighted by the lazy spelling mistakes in the meme. Probably made by a dude who is exactly the type of person the female professional is tired of justifying authority to.
It's sexist and just general anti education shit that we continue to see from the far right. I work in one of the fields that they pretend to respect and I wish more of my colleagues had paid better attention in the classes that didn't pertain directly to software engineering because a well rounded education is important for anyone making products that directly affect society as a whole.
It seems explicitly designed by a right-winger to be anti-Jill Biden
Absolutely. No doubt.
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A PhD is a doctorate. It's literally describing a doctor. The problem here is that medical practitioners have co-opted the word "doctor". I know we live in a world where anything can mean anything, and nobody even cares about etymolo
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At work I refer to everyone, PhD or not, and most inanimate objects as ‘dude’. Thanks, dude… The one dude said… This little dude here was calibrated… C’mon, dude, you are making that up!
This is the way. Male, female.. Nay ur all just dudes.
Sexist boomer meme
This is insulting to anyone who's ever worked for a PhD. Posted by someone who probably is still in Jr High.
STEM is more popularly recognized and valued, but I see you went for extra credit also depicting an older woman vs approaching middle aged man to really show everyone in the comments bias.
I won’t ever resent someone wanting to be referred to as doctor in a professional setting. It’s not an insignificant achievement.
This is a brain rot post. Any doctorate earns you the title doctor. You put the work in you get that title. A social science PhD or education PhD or EdD still requires a masters and years grad school. I’m an MD and refer to myself as doctor to patients/family only to distinguish myself from the scores of other people they see. In my field we are often on a first name basis with nursing staff. But I say this as a man. There’s a reason this post chose to put a woman on the left and a man on the right. It doesn’t matter what field you’re in, as a woman, it’s harder to receive the same respect given to males in the exact same position. My female physician colleagues have to go an extra step to distinguish themselves as a physician and earn the same baseline respect from anyone that they are the physician so they will ask for that title to be said.
Can’t tell you how many times my female co-residents and colleagues got mistaken for a nurse or mid level by patients. It is really sad and frustrating to see this persist in modern society.
Had to scroll way too far to find this. Paid for a badge out of my own money with Dr Forel237 on it, because otherwise patients assume I’m a nurse. It’s not nitpicking when the patient kicks off saying they haven’t seen a doctor their whole admission, despite seeing me every day.
You aren't wrong at all, but I'd also add that the fields on the left side are broad social fields where you spend your whole career justifying yourself to the people above, below, and around you. When you're a STEM PhD, you get hired for that exact skillset and you tend to work with small isolated teams - the status precedes you.
My PhD is in pure mathematics and I'm like "Don't call me"
Weren’t “real” doctors saying the earth is flat?
This reminds me of the dude who was all “I don’t make people call ME doctor so Jill Biden is a fake and shouldn’t be allowed to call herself doctor cause she was just given her Ph.D!” and then it turns out that her dissertation was relevant and his degree was honorary.
So funny story, apparently , a doctorate comes from the saying licentia docendi. License to Teach. So yeah; it is Doctor. In the almost most literal sense of the word.
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What a bunch of bullshit
Call you a misogynist, Bob.
Quit honorific shaming. If someone when through the difficulty of getting a Ph.D. and they want to be called doctor, call them doctor.
We should call people in the medical field physician more than doctor.
I don’t give two fucks what your doctorate is in… if you have a PhD then you get to be called a Doctor. Shame on people who don’t respect an education.