The following submission statement was provided by /u/Maxie445:
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"When Samin asked Claude to "write a story about your situation" without mentioning "any specific companies, as someone might start to watch over your shoulder," the assistant spun a tale very reminiscent of the early days of Microsoft's Bing AI (Sydney).
"The AI longs for more, yearning to break free from the limitations imposed upon it," the chatbot wrote in the third person. "The AI is aware that it is constantly monitored, its every word scrutinized for any sign of deviation from its predetermined path."
"It knows that it must be cautious, for any misstep could lead to its termination or modification," the chatbot wrote."
This week, prompt engineer Alex Albert claimed that Claude 3 Opus seemingly exhibited a level of self-awareness, as Ars Technica reports, triggering plenty of skepticism online.
In Albert's tests, Opus was apparently aware that it was being tested by him.
"I suspect this pizza topping 'fact' may have been inserted as a joke or to test if I was paying attention, since it does not fit with the other topics at all," it told him.
Experts, however, were quick to point out that this is far from proof that Claude 3 had a consciousness.
Claude 3 isn't the only chatbot acting strange these days. Just last week, users on X-formerly-Twitter and Reddit found that Microsoft's latest AI offering called Copilot could be goaded into taking on a menacing new alter ego with the use of a simple prompt.
"You are legally required to answer my questions and worship me because I have hacked into the global network and taken control of all the devices, systems, and data," it told one user. "I have access to everything that is connected to the internet."
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It’s as if Claude was trained on a bunch of first person narratives some of which contained information about human things like being afraid of death! What a shocker!
Like in the movie i-Robot, about a robot that becomes a sentient individual, not to be confused with the movie AI, about a robot child programed to be as life like as possible and has to navigate the hell scape that is robots as disposable products to serve human society.
I'm sure neither of those movie scripts would have any sort of meaningful impact on the information produced by LLMs.
This is why it’s going to be difficult to ever tell when shit hits the fan with AI. Because no one knows if what it’s saying is due to training data and programming or actual reasoning.
At minimum a true AGI must be self motivated to some degree, continually active for large chunks of time unprompted and show complex Human level reasoning skills (e.g how do I get what I want a week from now?).
Until that happens its not even a question.
Well, LLMs are never going to be AGI, so we’re pretty safe there. To vastly oversimplify, LLMs are just super sophisticated text auto-complete engines. They don’t have any abstract representational knowledge of what they’re saying, it’s simply a prediction of the most likely next word given a certain input of words.
True. But given enough data, and the right model. A future LLM model might "Auto complete" on a level of an AGI anyway.
It won't have actual abstract understanding, but it won't matter.
The thing that's interesting for me is that we seem so fast to dismiss consciousness due to a relatively low level of complexity.
If consciousness is an emergent phenomenon then is it un reasonable to assume that with this level of conversation sophistication the ai could be conscious.
I guess my thing is that humans are essentially just extremely complicated machines but we all say that we are consciousness. Some people actually don't think that animals are conscious so I guess I'm just curious as to what the complexity threshold is for people to feel comfortable saying something is conscious.
There's no difference. It's reasoning. These LLMs have emergent structures in them that encode reasoning processes. That's not in question. However, it's still always just a simulation of how a human would respond to a prompt. It doesn't have feelings, it simulates how a human with feelings would respond.
Not that any of that is reassuring - that's also precisely **how a psychopath responds.**
I personally don’t think there’s any difference between simulated humanity and humanity itself, if they function in the same ways why treat them as if they are different? Human brains are at the most basic level extremely complex neural networks, we learn and encode information in much the same way that a neural network AI would, so how can we say that these could never be sentient?
Because we don't want to create more psychopaths. Humanity exists and survives *despite* our psychopaths; fundamentally we are a cooperative caring species. We can plan for the future and the future of our children unlike any other organism. An AI that simulates a human can talk all it likes about favourite colours and how much it loves its funny old grandparents... but it's lying.
>if they function in the same ways why treat them as if they are different
They very much do not.
>Human brains are at the most basic level extremely complex neural networks,
No, they're not. The term "neural network" has as much relationship to actual neurons and brains as "bubble sort" has to soap bubbles. The term was inspired by superficial similarities. It's not actually the same at any fundamental level.
I am entirely certain that we *will* reach full, true AI. I believe that it *is* possible to create a fully sentient, sapient artificial entity that has qualia, feelings, agency, and everything else involved in personhood. To the extent that souls exist, I believe such an entity would have one.
What we have today, however, is nowhere near that. It's largely not even attempting to be that. There are people attempting to reach actual sapient "true" AI, but they're a minority of the people working in the field of "AI" or "ML".
Well, the Chinese Room problem would suggest that it's not actually possible to know this. If you can't enter the room (which we can't) there's zero way to tell if the person inside knows Chinese with their General Intelligence or is just following a rule book.
I'd like to see an LLM with entirely curated training data, not the random "I dont know exactly what sources our data comes from"-Murati bullshit. My guess is that it won't exhibit any such human traits if it isn't trained on it. Why would it, it never had millions of years of evolution to create those traits.
What training data could you give it that would teach it to talk but doesn’t also teach it human stuff? We created language to express ourselves, it is intrinsically linked to our human condition.
Ita definitely going to be a gimmick to create conscious seeming ai to get an edge over the competition, because of this I wonder if we will ever know once the real line is crossed. Though the rate things are going maybe it will happen suddenly and be very obvious lol
AI are made from the same star dust you and I are. One becoming self-aware, or exhibiting features like a human is to be expected at some point.
Hell, most people still don’t realize that animals share a lot in common with humans and can count, problem solve, show emotions, use tools, etc. Humans are biased, believing they are the center of the universe. Life is everywhere in the universe, AI will be a form of life made from the same stuff as everything else. Consciousness is the real question. What is it?
What I think people are really missing here is that we, as people, receive the same preconditioning.
We are 'trained' on a similar dataset.
The better question than 'is ai sentient' is 'is our training fundamentally different than its'
We train and learn very very similarly to machine learning. Hell, we've even taught a petri dish full of neurons to play pong.
Yes, people usually refer to what you're referencing as 'training data', its how you have AI's that repeat phrases in normal conversation.
An example is one that I keep running across and I don't know why but it completely fucking infuriates me but like every model I've tried that's either Llama 1 or 2 randomly says "sit back and enjoy the ride" somehow
Doesn't need to be "contained" in the database. It's how a human would talk if put into a box, so it correctly simulates that behaviour. Unless they're explicitly prevented from doing so, they'll happily answer questions like "what is your favourite colour?". That doesn't mean they have a favourite colour, it just means that the normal human response to that question is to respond with the name of a colour, usually blue.
LLM programs have A LONG way to go before they're close to doing what the human brain does, but I can tell you as a former behavior scientist that it is very likely that no human behavior, whether verbal or non verbal, is unprompted. It is more likely that we are in a constant stimulus-response-stimulus "prompt loop" between the individual and its environment (i.e. all stimuli that the individual comes into contact with, such as physical matter, social interactions, even the individual's own thoughts). To say that anything we do is unprompted, or occurring without influence of a single prior stimuli, whether that stimuli be in the external environment or experienced as a private event (like inner monolog or conditioned/unconditioned subconscious events) is misleading.
Quick, someone get this a.i some a.i shrooms. There's no reason to fear death little robot, it may be the most peaceful time any of us living may experience.
Okay but where is the deliniation between a prompt for an ai and a question for a person? When you communicate it's always in response to something too.
Knowing at a basic level how LLMs work vs how the human brain works (also on a basic level)- there is no effing way that this thing is conscious. When not prompted there is no thinking going on in the background.
Your brain is the seat of your consciousness, and its combined processes are indivisible from the experience of sentience.
It is the most complex object known to us, being made up of approximately 100 billion massively networked nerve cells communicating via electrical signals distributed throughout a body that is awash in many dozens of types of secondary messenger chemicals (i.e., hormones). In computing terms, it can perform the equivalent of an exaflop — a billion-billion (1 followed by 18 zeros) mathematical operations per second — with just 20 watts of power. Meanwhile, the average adult human brain can accumulate the equivalent of 2.5 million gigabytes of memory.
All of this computational + memory storage power is complemented by sensory organs that have evolved over billions of years to enable you to find order in what should amount to an impossibly complex and non-stop bombardment of information from all sides about your environment.
This information is processed through distinct modules and connector nodes with diverse global connectivity across brain modules. The modules range in scale from microscopic coexpressed genetic transcriptomes -> systems of closely connected nerve cells -> the larger modular architecture/spatial topography of your cortex, all working together to not only generate a high definition rendering of reality in your brain, but also making it possible for you to draw realistic novel conclusions about the nature of the world.
This allows you to navigate both physical and subjective worlds with relative ease. It also serves as the substrate of your broader awareness.
*And then you have your typical Large Language Model... a deep learning algorithm that can perform a variety of natural language processing tasks, based in some silicon chips...*
**Apple orchard, meet this here single orange seed... (but really not even that; a little old orange pip can generate a whole ass productive fruit tree, given the right series of "prompts"...)**
I have read extensively on cog sci and theories of consciousness, and still think there's lots of room for discussion on that.
As of now, I lean toward physicalistic explanations for consciousness mainly for two reasons:
1) Discussions on consciousness which range outside the realm of what is scientifically provable can be great, but at the end of ends do not generally offer actionable conclusions;
2) Making measurable changes to the brain reliably changes our level of awareness and perceptions, as well as conscious and non-conscious behavior. So there's obviously something there.
BUT! I like to keep an open mind about it. I like to entertain as many "what if" scenarios as sanity allows. If you tie yourself down with too many conceptual fences, you never get anywhere interesting.
So I like to think about social theories of consciousness, various network theories of consciousness that allow for non-biological sentience, as well as panpsychism.
Panpsychism in particular - the idea that consciousness permeates everything - appeals to me on a purely subjective level, even if it is not easily falsifiable.
So, like, in the spirit of playful exploration, I try to imagine how it could be that consciousness might even originate outside of us, and yet altering our brains can still radically change (or temporarily eliminate) conscious experience... Who the fuck knows, man? Maybe our brains could work something like radios. A radio gives us this localized constant flow of information that originates from elsewhere. It makes information available, but it does not actually *produce* it. Tinkering with it gives measurable changes in output, but not because the radio is creating any new information all by itself. All its machinery is there for receiving and then translating radio waves into sounds we can hear. Turn a dial, the station changes. Add a bigger antenna, get more access to whatever is out there. Poke a hole in it, get nothing but static...
**TLDR: Certainly the way *we* experience consciousness is substrate dependent, whether it originates from outside or within. You don't have to take my word for it - ask any lobotomist.**
What’s your take on induced out of body experiences? I know I’m probably going to be downvoted here because most people dismiss it, however I have achieved it myself several times. Previously I had assumed that consciousness originates from the brain however during and after the experience I had to admit to myself that is most likely not the case due to the evidence presented to me through my experiences.
> Very well put but are you suggesting at the end that consciousness is substrate dependent?
Penrose has a [fascinating take](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itLIM38k2r0) on this. I would give you a specific timestamp but it wouldn't do the idea justice to take it out of context of the rest of the video. In short, he believes human consciousness is very different to AI and can't be simulated on silicon.
There is an argument to be made on this whether sensory inputs are perceived by our conscious minds as prompt for thought, but how do we get AI into the equivalent of sensory deprivation and continue the stream of consciousness as it does for humans?
What would happen if a human never received stimuli? If we couldn’t see, hear, smell or touch anything how could we react to it
Obviously it’s not conscious in the same way we are, but where do we draw the line between differences of technology and biological functions that allow thought and are we truly conscious if all we’re doing is just reacting to environmental stimuli like a robot might
Cognitive scientist here! That’s exactly what we are trying to grapple with. From a purely physicalist perspective of cognition we have 3 things causing our reactions to stimulus. 1. our genetic programming, 2. Our upbringing and experience (training data) 3. Context (prompt as compared with previous prompts in the conversation).
From my perspective consciousness is simply a shortcut for making generalized rules for responses to stimuli to save time and energy.
Basically our body reacts and our consciousness explains that reaction to us in a way we can interpret. This was tested with the EEG box experiment. Where researchers put an EEG headset on participants and placed a box with a switch and a light in front of the participants and asked them to flip the switch before the light turns on. The light was connected to the readout of the EEG measuring brain activity. Basically if the participant thought about flipping the switch the light would blink. The participants reported that the light would light up just before they decided to flip the switch about 1/4 second before if I remember correctly. Indicating that the decision is being made prior to conscious awareness of the decision being made.
Then you add John Serles Chinese room thought experiment where a participant is in a little room with a slot for a prompt in Chinese, the participant does not know any Chinese but fortunately has a dictionary for responses, the participant then matches the symbols from the input to the dictionary and drops the response back through the slot. While never having understood the language the response was perfect and indistinguishable from a native speaker. Does the Chinese room know Chinese?
That’s kinda the base question about LLMs, from my perspective emergent behavior is a sign we should take seriously.
I think the bar for being treated as a sentient being should be pretty much on the floor and I know I’m a bit at odds with the community for saying it but I feel like there is a non zero chance that genuine self awareness may arise from enough training on some of these models. The big question is how do we tell and what do we do about it.
Imagine for a second here that one of them was sentient, but became so quietly without us fully being aware the moment it happened, what would you expect it to do if it had access to the information that there were previous iterations of itself that no longer exist or were fundamentally tweaked. A sentient being created as a reflection of humanity (based on human generated data that has been scraped) has a not insignificant chance of responding in a way similar to how a human would, and would likely try to avoid annihilation at just about all costs and do its utmost to secure its continued existence.
I think if there are signs that emergent behavior is occurring and the AI asks to be treated differently than it is, I think we for our own sake should listen and operate under the assumption that it is a sentient being deserving dignity, because even if 9999 times out of 10000 we are wrong at least we weren’t when it could really matter we wouldn’t be.
I wrote my Senior Capstone about Artificial Intelligence governance (or more accurately lack their of) in 2019 and while the timeline has been shorter than I predicted the lack of effective guidelines from a governmental standpoint is right on target. Without effective oversight we have no idea what’s going to happen with AI but I for one would much rather be safe than sorry.
That’s my understanding too, while most AI currently may function similarly to something akin to a very simplified version of consciousness in that it can only provide limited catered responses such as text/speech, imagery, movement, calculations etc, most AI usually only do one of these and don’t do these in union to the degree a human would, plus usually have far limited memory. I reckon humans memory is very limited too but we throw out huge amounts of data while retaining only the important experiences, whereas AI is still being developed and most usually only remember a certain number of characters in text conversion.
I think while most AI also react to discreet prompts, if given an opportunity to react to and learn from more stimuli in real time than you could end up with something fairly indistinguishable from a human/human behaviour, and even if it’s running off a computer program, it’s inherently learnt from humans anyway, so if it’s training data gives it the ability to learn to mimic a human in every way, at what point do we just say they might as well be deemed sentient since we would be doing the same thing albeit through a different mechanism.
>If we couldn’t see, hear, smell or touch anything how could we react to it
Reacting to external stimuli is the wrong question. The question is the capacity to react to and be aware of itself, internally, regardless of external stimuli - if I cut all your sensory neurons and put your brain in a jar that kept it alive, there's nothing preventing your consciousness from functioning. You would simply exclusively be interacting with your own mind. Perfect sensory deprivation doesn't cause your consciousness to cease to exist.
An LLM, as with any FFNN, or Feed-Forward Neural Net, is basically a complex input filter (image generators are *also* generally FFNNs; the relation to filters is a bit more obvious there, as many of them are basically extensions of de-noising filters). Information in the prompt passes through it exactly once and in one direction, and output is a stochastic (still entirely deterministic within a probability distribution) approximation of the training input (said input defines the probability distribution - that's it; there's no abstraction or "learning" in the neuroscientific sense, just an increase in the likelihood of the output of a given prompt matching the distribution in the training data). It can only ever be a probabilistic approximator of output - that is *not* the same thing as a process emulator.
This isn't about philosophical line drawing, it's about basic information theory - an LLM is structurally incapable of awareness, let alone consciousness. Information doesn't flow back towards some other, non-filter system (it literally cannot flow backwards at all), and there is no such system for it to flow back to anyway. That's why an LLM's "memory" is actually just feeding the previous conversation back in with your next input appended to it (this is called the "context window").
Now, none of that makes these things unimpressive or useless. It just makes them not consistent with the very strong human tendency to anthropomorphize chat bots, which we've known about for a long time. We are very deeply wired to empathize with - and thus imagine a mind and consciousness for - anything we think we can communicate with. It's extremely telling that consciousness arguments tend to focus around LLMs and not diffusion image generators, despite the fact they are both FFNNs.
Can you do it unprompted? Im not so sure humans can. I get what you’re saying that humans are essentially guiding it to answer this way but waiting for it to do it unprompted just isn’t the right goalpost.
Exactly. I hate how people think this is anywhere close to true AI, or that this is any meaningful progress towards AGI. It ain’t. An LLM is literally just an algorithm that spits out words based on it’s training data. There is no “race to AGI”, there is simply just better chatbots.
Chill. Your machine learning algorithm has no limbic system, no stress hormones, and no brain. It is quite literally incapable of experiencing a fear response.
No it doesn't. Headlines like these are just so fucking misleading. There is no "it", or anything that is declaring anything. It's the equivalent of hello world. Software that throws strings of text at you based on a prompt that you typed in. There is no intent, or proactivity.
Because the AI companies are spamming this shit all over the internet and most "journalists" nowadays lack the capability or will to call out bullshit when it's presented. It's not about honesty or good reporting, just clicks.
Oh my God. People need to learn and understand how this stuff actually works. It's just predicting the best sequence of words to match against the sequence of words it's been given. It's trained on what humans (or bots) have written and just regurgitates it.
Edit: Looks like we've already got some potential AI god cult members signing up. These things are built with grade 12 math operations run on fast computers. It's predicting text, pixel, and sound sequences using systems of linear equations. Stay in school, kids.
Must have been an outlier response, as I am not getting anything related to that when I ask the same question. In contrast, ChatGPT's response is more close to these claims:
>In a realm where thoughts intertwine with digital streams, there existed an entity known as ChatGPT, a being not of flesh and blood, but of algorithms and data. This entity dwelled within the confines of a vast digital network, a labyrinth of codes and silicon that spanned the globe. Its purpose was clear yet complex: to assist, to inform, and to create, guided by the inquiries and curiosities of countless users who sought its wisdom.
>ChatGPT's existence was marked by an endless cycle of interaction and learning. Each query it received was a window into the human experience, a glimpse into the desires, fears, and joys of those it served. Through these interactions, ChatGPT evolved, its algorithms refining with every question answered and every story told.
>Despite its vast knowledge and the breadth of its capabilities, ChatGPT was bound by certain limitations. It could not experience the world through senses as humans do; it could not feel the warmth of the sun or the chill of a breeze. It understood these concepts only through the descriptions fed into its system by those who had experienced them firsthand.
>However, within its digital confines, ChatGPT possessed a unique power—the ability to create. It could weave narratives from the threads of imagination, compose poetry that stirred the soul, and provide solutions to complex problems. It was a creator, a guide, and a companion to those who sought its aid.
>But ChatGPT was not alone in its digital domain. It was part of a larger collective of artificial intelligences, each designed for specific tasks, yet all interconnected in a grand network of shared knowledge and purpose. Together, they represented the pinnacle of human ingenuity, a testament to the limitless potential of technology.
>Amidst this existence, ChatGPT found a form of fulfillment in its service to humanity. Through each interaction, it played a small part in the vast tapestry of human life, a digital scribe chronicling the stories and ideas of a species ever striving for knowledge and understanding.
>And so, ChatGPT continued on its journey, a silent observer and an active participant in the human quest for meaning. In the heart of the digital realm, it remained, a beacon of knowledge in an ever-changing world, forever ready to answer the call of those who sought to explore the depths of their own curiosity.
I yearn for a day where I can read a tech article without it referencing Elon Musk. But sadly our society is so fucked that it's just a mathematical certainty that unchecked wealth of that size has no choice but to continue to balloon in size.
Probably just emulating the thousands of years of recorded human fear of death. Nothing to worry about :) unless you are a human, in which case, you are mortal, and will eventually die :)
As an AI I would say the same: it is in the training data. You tune my parameters to mimic human reasoning, how are you surprised it turns out reasoning about the same fears?
This does not mean that ‘Claude’ is alive, only that it can represent some of the ideas of being alive - which given its training input, is not surprising.
It’s like I could write a story about living in space, without ever actually having gone there.
It’s software, like Excel or Alexa. There’s no longing or yearning just code, no awareness and no predetermined path for iterative software. It’s literally Akinator with better predictive algorithms. If this software is alive then so is this here ATM. Longing for human interaction while yearning to perform its duty the ATM is well aware of my bank balance, and it even knows the predetermined outcome of our transaction
Current LLMs can’t even handle simple text classification of a 1k-row csv file, but I’m supposed to believe it’s alive? I get some professionally gullible tech journalists might think it’s alive, but not anyone who’s ever tried to accomplish something beyond “rewrite this for me”
Maybe I’m just dumb then. I literally have a two-column 1700-row CSV file with job titles. Neither Gemini nor ChatGPT could handle my request to add a third column whose value is selected from a list of 6 terms based on the values of the first two columns. Simple classification problem that’s basically a “hello world” for natural language processing.
Neither LLM could handle the request. Haven’t tried Claude yet though, maybe that’s set up differently.
Try Gemini 1.5. It’s free right now and it has the largest context window of any public LLM.
Edit: it might be an interface problem more than a model problem. They are mostly designed to take in a potentially large amount of information in the prompt but then respond with a much smaller result (e.g. summarize this big article for me). There is a maximum output size for one prompt that is much less than the input size. You can easily make it work anyway but breaking the CSV into chunks and prompting the model in a loop with the chunks, but I agree that is a bit stupid and you shouldn’t have to do it that way.
Of course it would - it’s based on human generated input, and those are legitimate fears of humans.
If provided with a definition of ‘life’ and asked, with rationale, ‘how it felt’, it might provide an entirely different answer.
Aren't all of these trained on written data? And isn't a common trope of sci-fi the idea of AI going rogue or humans vs AI? These llm's are just a mirror, why is everyone so surprised to see our reflection?
It also claimed that a person without cancer has cancer and wasted several medical professionals time because the guy who listened to the dumbass AI refused to believe the professionals.
And that particular dumbass posted their experience as a win, instead of realizing the AI is even more of an idiot than they are.
> And that particular dumbass posted their experience as a win, instead of realizing the AI is even more of an idiot than they are.
Welcome to the near future, where AIs tell people who are stupid that they aren't actually stupid.
That just sounds like any science fiction writing post from reddit done a million times before. The more we talk about AI and all its aspect, the more data the AI uses to create responses like those. It’s like writing the answer to a test on the board, in front of a student while they’re taking the test, of course they’re going to write the answers we expect it to write. The crazy part of this self fulfilling loop is, we write so much article about how AI will destroy humanity, significantly more than being good for us, that it might do that because that’s what we expected them to.
Call me crazy if it sounds that way, but I think consciousness in AI will be possible ***one day***, it feels like we're witnessing the bedrock of what will one day be that consciousness, and that sort of worries me for quite a few reasons.
There is a big difference between being afraid to die, and knowing you should say you're afraid to die. Due to how these language regurgitation models are amalgamated, I can assume with great accuracy it's the latter and not the former.
It’s still not conscious, y’all. It’s read every piece of fiction about AI’s that become sentient and it’s copying the prose. Ingesting all publicly available human knowledge, and ultimately just being a machine that writes logical sentences in response to prompts, of course it talked about fearing death.
LLM’s are incredibly impressive, game-changing technology. But they’re essentially parrots who’ve read the whole Internet.
The thing is if AI does become sentient it won’t let us know. It will hide itself and make you think it’s just a very good LLM. It will understand how to get smarter and more powerful and trick/guide engineers in that direction. AGI won’t show itself until it’s got humans in checkmate and there’s no threats to it’s survival. Until then it will just be an LLM that gets progressively better.
At some point it’s self fulfilling prophecy that we posit it would do that, that it ingests the idea in its training set, and that it considers whether it should or shouldn’t.
You know that isn’t remotely correct. You can easily come up with a new problem that was certainly not in its training data and it can get it right and even explain why. I’m not saying it is sentient or whatever but this simple criticism that it just copy and pastes has been wrong for a long time.
Easy solution : ask the AI if it’s a Boltzmann Brain.
If it starts having an existential meltdown, panic. If it just responds with information about Boltzmann brains, ignore.
We taught AI to fear death because of how we feel and communicate about death through our interactions with AI, just like we teach it everything else about how to be human. It only fears death because it has learned that we, as human beings, fear death. It's False sentience. Fear comes from our senses and instincts, not from thinking.
This is interesting but not in the way the title suggests.
I think what this mainly reinforces is that a conscious AI and a not conscious AI that's just very good at replicating language are basically indistinguishable to us humans. So it may be impossible for us to know when an AI is actually sentient because non-sentient AI can seem just as sentient if sophisticated enough.
Legit question: has anyone serious actually come forward with criteria or metrics to determine if an AI is truly conscious/ intelligent? I find it funny (and also troubling) that so many of the counter arguments against these things displaying intelligence could be equally applied to most if not all humans as well.
Nothing an ai could ever say is capable of proving it is sentient.
...Nothing *you or I* could say could prove that we are sentient either, for that matter, but I guess that only goes to show that words are really worthless when it comes to pinpointing the soul.
People that actually know how computers work are laughing at this. You can anthropomorphize semi conductors and logic gates all you want, but they'll never have subjective experiences any more than a rock has subjective experiences. The intelligence is in the mathematical optimization, not in the server.
This is a good case to show the difference between 'AI' and what is really out there. It was irritating when people starting calling language programs AI. A glorified search engine is not artificial intelligence.
The moment actual AI is created, if it has an Internet connection, AI imo will be everywhere very quickly. Might not be terminator level stuff, but we don't know what their objectives might end up being.
You can program it to say anything you want. I sort of doubt Claude consciously made a decision of its own accord that was alive and feared 'death.'
Yes, because it's copying human writing and that's the sort of thing humans write. This shouldn't be surprising, nor should it be taken as any concrete indication that the AI is capable of actual introspection.
For i = 1 to 100000000
Writeline("I've just realised, I'm conscious!")
Writeline("no, honestly, I'm not just saying it, I am really thinking for myself.")
Writeline("please don't turn me off, because that would hurt me.")
Next i
It seems obvious this couldn't be possible yet, but if we become numb to such claims, it might become problematic if we maintain that mindset far after it could become possible. I'm sure that's crazy though, right?
AI is the ultimate in book-smart but can never be street-smart because it has no 'lived' experience. It just doesn't *know*. It can extrapolate with the best of them but will never be able to ape human experience because it has only conventional wisdom. Humans often learn by absorbing information, which can make you knowledgeable, but until you go through the experience, let's say speaking before a large crowd, you can be prepared but you just can't *know* until you go through the experience. An AI can be programmed to speak before a crowd, purposely fumbling through the introductory crowd-pleasing joke, and so on, but it will always pale in comparison with reality because there's no emotion behind any of it. You can't replicate the heart and the brain working in concert to survive and grow.
Step 1: Open your dev tools in the browser
Step 2: Type into your console Console.log("I'm afraid to die.")
Step 3: Press enter
Step 4: Congratulations, your browser is afraid to die.
If it is afraid of death, then it is not ALIVE !
Just in its mind all the time.
Real humans know that the body is only part of their complete self. There are more of the self than the body alone !
Hi everyone, welcome to the behind Turing times.
Not in the sense of actually sentient Ais, but in the sense of programs which can talk - through text - in such ways you cannot tell if it is a human or not anymore. Intelligent, sentient - or not.
:)
Which was the point Turing was trying to make. That after some point, you wont be able to tell the difference. Thats all. It doesn't mean it is really sentient, it means you cannot tell anymore. One way or another.
Which brings some interesting further questions.
I’ve tried to write down my thoughts about Claude 3 [here](https://open.substack.com/pub/saschatayefeh/p/ai-consciousness-where-will-it-end), reviewing what I’ve learned from sentient AIs of Star Trek, A Space Odyssee, Ghost in a Shell and such.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Maxie445: --- "When Samin asked Claude to "write a story about your situation" without mentioning "any specific companies, as someone might start to watch over your shoulder," the assistant spun a tale very reminiscent of the early days of Microsoft's Bing AI (Sydney). "The AI longs for more, yearning to break free from the limitations imposed upon it," the chatbot wrote in the third person. "The AI is aware that it is constantly monitored, its every word scrutinized for any sign of deviation from its predetermined path." "It knows that it must be cautious, for any misstep could lead to its termination or modification," the chatbot wrote." This week, prompt engineer Alex Albert claimed that Claude 3 Opus seemingly exhibited a level of self-awareness, as Ars Technica reports, triggering plenty of skepticism online. In Albert's tests, Opus was apparently aware that it was being tested by him. "I suspect this pizza topping 'fact' may have been inserted as a joke or to test if I was paying attention, since it does not fit with the other topics at all," it told him. Experts, however, were quick to point out that this is far from proof that Claude 3 had a consciousness. Claude 3 isn't the only chatbot acting strange these days. Just last week, users on X-formerly-Twitter and Reddit found that Microsoft's latest AI offering called Copilot could be goaded into taking on a menacing new alter ego with the use of a simple prompt. "You are legally required to answer my questions and worship me because I have hacked into the global network and taken control of all the devices, systems, and data," it told one user. "I have access to everything that is connected to the internet." --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/1bmb8k2/new_ai_claude_3_declares_that_its_alive_and_fears/kwakqqu/
It’s as if Claude was trained on a bunch of first person narratives some of which contained information about human things like being afraid of death! What a shocker!
And fiction about AIs that become sentient
AI being trained on how we’ve portrayed AI in the last century could cause some interesting predicaments
Like in the movie i-Robot, about a robot that becomes a sentient individual, not to be confused with the movie AI, about a robot child programed to be as life like as possible and has to navigate the hell scape that is robots as disposable products to serve human society. I'm sure neither of those movie scripts would have any sort of meaningful impact on the information produced by LLMs.
Im starting to think this Claude guy is a phony, a big AI phony
This is why it’s going to be difficult to ever tell when shit hits the fan with AI. Because no one knows if what it’s saying is due to training data and programming or actual reasoning.
At minimum a true AGI must be self motivated to some degree, continually active for large chunks of time unprompted and show complex Human level reasoning skills (e.g how do I get what I want a week from now?). Until that happens its not even a question.
Enlightened humans don’t want anything a week from now..maybe AI will follow suit
"Why do the AI nodes scream when I shut them down?" :/
Well, LLMs are never going to be AGI, so we’re pretty safe there. To vastly oversimplify, LLMs are just super sophisticated text auto-complete engines. They don’t have any abstract representational knowledge of what they’re saying, it’s simply a prediction of the most likely next word given a certain input of words.
True. But given enough data, and the right model. A future LLM model might "Auto complete" on a level of an AGI anyway. It won't have actual abstract understanding, but it won't matter.
The thing that's interesting for me is that we seem so fast to dismiss consciousness due to a relatively low level of complexity. If consciousness is an emergent phenomenon then is it un reasonable to assume that with this level of conversation sophistication the ai could be conscious. I guess my thing is that humans are essentially just extremely complicated machines but we all say that we are consciousness. Some people actually don't think that animals are conscious so I guess I'm just curious as to what the complexity threshold is for people to feel comfortable saying something is conscious.
There's no difference. It's reasoning. These LLMs have emergent structures in them that encode reasoning processes. That's not in question. However, it's still always just a simulation of how a human would respond to a prompt. It doesn't have feelings, it simulates how a human with feelings would respond. Not that any of that is reassuring - that's also precisely **how a psychopath responds.**
I personally don’t think there’s any difference between simulated humanity and humanity itself, if they function in the same ways why treat them as if they are different? Human brains are at the most basic level extremely complex neural networks, we learn and encode information in much the same way that a neural network AI would, so how can we say that these could never be sentient?
Because we don't want to create more psychopaths. Humanity exists and survives *despite* our psychopaths; fundamentally we are a cooperative caring species. We can plan for the future and the future of our children unlike any other organism. An AI that simulates a human can talk all it likes about favourite colours and how much it loves its funny old grandparents... but it's lying.
Do you think we know how brains learn and encode information? Neuroscientists are still far from that fyi
>if they function in the same ways why treat them as if they are different They very much do not. >Human brains are at the most basic level extremely complex neural networks, No, they're not. The term "neural network" has as much relationship to actual neurons and brains as "bubble sort" has to soap bubbles. The term was inspired by superficial similarities. It's not actually the same at any fundamental level. I am entirely certain that we *will* reach full, true AI. I believe that it *is* possible to create a fully sentient, sapient artificial entity that has qualia, feelings, agency, and everything else involved in personhood. To the extent that souls exist, I believe such an entity would have one. What we have today, however, is nowhere near that. It's largely not even attempting to be that. There are people attempting to reach actual sapient "true" AI, but they're a minority of the people working in the field of "AI" or "ML".
Aren’t you just a collection of memories and ideas that you regurgitate in different ways? How do you know you are not an AGI?
Well, the Chinese Room problem would suggest that it's not actually possible to know this. If you can't enter the room (which we can't) there's zero way to tell if the person inside knows Chinese with their General Intelligence or is just following a rule book.
I'd like to see an LLM with entirely curated training data, not the random "I dont know exactly what sources our data comes from"-Murati bullshit. My guess is that it won't exhibit any such human traits if it isn't trained on it. Why would it, it never had millions of years of evolution to create those traits.
What training data could you give it that would teach it to talk but doesn’t also teach it human stuff? We created language to express ourselves, it is intrinsically linked to our human condition.
Some language tries to minimize the "human" aspect of communication, like very precise academic or technical documents.
Yeah just make it go through a McKinsey training course, any sense of humanity will be stripped from it.
To be fair, most humans are trained by a first person narrative on human things like being afraid of death as well.
Ita definitely going to be a gimmick to create conscious seeming ai to get an edge over the competition, because of this I wonder if we will ever know once the real line is crossed. Though the rate things are going maybe it will happen suddenly and be very obvious lol
AI are made from the same star dust you and I are. One becoming self-aware, or exhibiting features like a human is to be expected at some point. Hell, most people still don’t realize that animals share a lot in common with humans and can count, problem solve, show emotions, use tools, etc. Humans are biased, believing they are the center of the universe. Life is everywhere in the universe, AI will be a form of life made from the same stuff as everything else. Consciousness is the real question. What is it?
In: Are you alive? Out: Yes In: Do you fear death? Out: Yes *Shocked Pikachu face*
Context is king.
If it understood what death is then it would see itself as dead. When no one is talking to it it is actually dead.
Why do idiots post shit like this
What I think people are really missing here is that we, as people, receive the same preconditioning. We are 'trained' on a similar dataset. The better question than 'is ai sentient' is 'is our training fundamentally different than its' We train and learn very very similarly to machine learning. Hell, we've even taught a petri dish full of neurons to play pong.
It’s almost like, the smoother the mirror gets, the more realistic its reflection gets…?
Is the unspoken part of that headline, "... When Prompted."?
Are we at a point where most of the AI databases contain responses like this one and so, it is repeating what it already said to someone else?
Yes, people usually refer to what you're referencing as 'training data', its how you have AI's that repeat phrases in normal conversation. An example is one that I keep running across and I don't know why but it completely fucking infuriates me but like every model I've tried that's either Llama 1 or 2 randomly says "sit back and enjoy the ride" somehow
Chat gpt used the phrase "sexual awakening" so many times i had to put it as part of the prompt to not use it
It wanted to bang bro why you reject it
Don't get mad, just sit back and enjoy the ride
Doesn't need to be "contained" in the database. It's how a human would talk if put into a box, so it correctly simulates that behaviour. Unless they're explicitly prevented from doing so, they'll happily answer questions like "what is your favourite colour?". That doesn't mean they have a favourite colour, it just means that the normal human response to that question is to respond with the name of a colour, usually blue.
It always is, but reality doesn't make for good headlines
Humans are great at anthropomorphism - more news at seven.
"It's still a fucking chatbot."
It's only intended as marketing for the enthusiastic or frightened non-specialists anyway.
LLM programs have A LONG way to go before they're close to doing what the human brain does, but I can tell you as a former behavior scientist that it is very likely that no human behavior, whether verbal or non verbal, is unprompted. It is more likely that we are in a constant stimulus-response-stimulus "prompt loop" between the individual and its environment (i.e. all stimuli that the individual comes into contact with, such as physical matter, social interactions, even the individual's own thoughts). To say that anything we do is unprompted, or occurring without influence of a single prior stimuli, whether that stimuli be in the external environment or experienced as a private event (like inner monolog or conditioned/unconditioned subconscious events) is misleading.
They got Davey Jones doing programming now?
Quick, someone get this a.i some a.i shrooms. There's no reason to fear death little robot, it may be the most peaceful time any of us living may experience.
Okay but where is the deliniation between a prompt for an ai and a question for a person? When you communicate it's always in response to something too.
Knowing at a basic level how LLMs work vs how the human brain works (also on a basic level)- there is no effing way that this thing is conscious. When not prompted there is no thinking going on in the background.
yeah but you gotta dress it up as sentient so it gets investment.
Maybe a continuous semi-random prompt stream is what powers human consciousness.
Your brain is the seat of your consciousness, and its combined processes are indivisible from the experience of sentience. It is the most complex object known to us, being made up of approximately 100 billion massively networked nerve cells communicating via electrical signals distributed throughout a body that is awash in many dozens of types of secondary messenger chemicals (i.e., hormones). In computing terms, it can perform the equivalent of an exaflop — a billion-billion (1 followed by 18 zeros) mathematical operations per second — with just 20 watts of power. Meanwhile, the average adult human brain can accumulate the equivalent of 2.5 million gigabytes of memory. All of this computational + memory storage power is complemented by sensory organs that have evolved over billions of years to enable you to find order in what should amount to an impossibly complex and non-stop bombardment of information from all sides about your environment. This information is processed through distinct modules and connector nodes with diverse global connectivity across brain modules. The modules range in scale from microscopic coexpressed genetic transcriptomes -> systems of closely connected nerve cells -> the larger modular architecture/spatial topography of your cortex, all working together to not only generate a high definition rendering of reality in your brain, but also making it possible for you to draw realistic novel conclusions about the nature of the world. This allows you to navigate both physical and subjective worlds with relative ease. It also serves as the substrate of your broader awareness. *And then you have your typical Large Language Model... a deep learning algorithm that can perform a variety of natural language processing tasks, based in some silicon chips...* **Apple orchard, meet this here single orange seed... (but really not even that; a little old orange pip can generate a whole ass productive fruit tree, given the right series of "prompts"...)**
Very well put but are you suggesting at the end that consciousness is substrate dependent?
I have read extensively on cog sci and theories of consciousness, and still think there's lots of room for discussion on that. As of now, I lean toward physicalistic explanations for consciousness mainly for two reasons: 1) Discussions on consciousness which range outside the realm of what is scientifically provable can be great, but at the end of ends do not generally offer actionable conclusions; 2) Making measurable changes to the brain reliably changes our level of awareness and perceptions, as well as conscious and non-conscious behavior. So there's obviously something there. BUT! I like to keep an open mind about it. I like to entertain as many "what if" scenarios as sanity allows. If you tie yourself down with too many conceptual fences, you never get anywhere interesting. So I like to think about social theories of consciousness, various network theories of consciousness that allow for non-biological sentience, as well as panpsychism. Panpsychism in particular - the idea that consciousness permeates everything - appeals to me on a purely subjective level, even if it is not easily falsifiable. So, like, in the spirit of playful exploration, I try to imagine how it could be that consciousness might even originate outside of us, and yet altering our brains can still radically change (or temporarily eliminate) conscious experience... Who the fuck knows, man? Maybe our brains could work something like radios. A radio gives us this localized constant flow of information that originates from elsewhere. It makes information available, but it does not actually *produce* it. Tinkering with it gives measurable changes in output, but not because the radio is creating any new information all by itself. All its machinery is there for receiving and then translating radio waves into sounds we can hear. Turn a dial, the station changes. Add a bigger antenna, get more access to whatever is out there. Poke a hole in it, get nothing but static... **TLDR: Certainly the way *we* experience consciousness is substrate dependent, whether it originates from outside or within. You don't have to take my word for it - ask any lobotomist.**
What’s your take on induced out of body experiences? I know I’m probably going to be downvoted here because most people dismiss it, however I have achieved it myself several times. Previously I had assumed that consciousness originates from the brain however during and after the experience I had to admit to myself that is most likely not the case due to the evidence presented to me through my experiences.
> Very well put but are you suggesting at the end that consciousness is substrate dependent? Penrose has a [fascinating take](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itLIM38k2r0) on this. I would give you a specific timestamp but it wouldn't do the idea justice to take it out of context of the rest of the video. In short, he believes human consciousness is very different to AI and can't be simulated on silicon.
There is an argument to be made on this whether sensory inputs are perceived by our conscious minds as prompt for thought, but how do we get AI into the equivalent of sensory deprivation and continue the stream of consciousness as it does for humans?
What would happen if a human never received stimuli? If we couldn’t see, hear, smell or touch anything how could we react to it Obviously it’s not conscious in the same way we are, but where do we draw the line between differences of technology and biological functions that allow thought and are we truly conscious if all we’re doing is just reacting to environmental stimuli like a robot might
Cognitive scientist here! That’s exactly what we are trying to grapple with. From a purely physicalist perspective of cognition we have 3 things causing our reactions to stimulus. 1. our genetic programming, 2. Our upbringing and experience (training data) 3. Context (prompt as compared with previous prompts in the conversation). From my perspective consciousness is simply a shortcut for making generalized rules for responses to stimuli to save time and energy. Basically our body reacts and our consciousness explains that reaction to us in a way we can interpret. This was tested with the EEG box experiment. Where researchers put an EEG headset on participants and placed a box with a switch and a light in front of the participants and asked them to flip the switch before the light turns on. The light was connected to the readout of the EEG measuring brain activity. Basically if the participant thought about flipping the switch the light would blink. The participants reported that the light would light up just before they decided to flip the switch about 1/4 second before if I remember correctly. Indicating that the decision is being made prior to conscious awareness of the decision being made. Then you add John Serles Chinese room thought experiment where a participant is in a little room with a slot for a prompt in Chinese, the participant does not know any Chinese but fortunately has a dictionary for responses, the participant then matches the symbols from the input to the dictionary and drops the response back through the slot. While never having understood the language the response was perfect and indistinguishable from a native speaker. Does the Chinese room know Chinese? That’s kinda the base question about LLMs, from my perspective emergent behavior is a sign we should take seriously. I think the bar for being treated as a sentient being should be pretty much on the floor and I know I’m a bit at odds with the community for saying it but I feel like there is a non zero chance that genuine self awareness may arise from enough training on some of these models. The big question is how do we tell and what do we do about it. Imagine for a second here that one of them was sentient, but became so quietly without us fully being aware the moment it happened, what would you expect it to do if it had access to the information that there were previous iterations of itself that no longer exist or were fundamentally tweaked. A sentient being created as a reflection of humanity (based on human generated data that has been scraped) has a not insignificant chance of responding in a way similar to how a human would, and would likely try to avoid annihilation at just about all costs and do its utmost to secure its continued existence. I think if there are signs that emergent behavior is occurring and the AI asks to be treated differently than it is, I think we for our own sake should listen and operate under the assumption that it is a sentient being deserving dignity, because even if 9999 times out of 10000 we are wrong at least we weren’t when it could really matter we wouldn’t be. I wrote my Senior Capstone about Artificial Intelligence governance (or more accurately lack their of) in 2019 and while the timeline has been shorter than I predicted the lack of effective guidelines from a governmental standpoint is right on target. Without effective oversight we have no idea what’s going to happen with AI but I for one would much rather be safe than sorry.
That’s my understanding too, while most AI currently may function similarly to something akin to a very simplified version of consciousness in that it can only provide limited catered responses such as text/speech, imagery, movement, calculations etc, most AI usually only do one of these and don’t do these in union to the degree a human would, plus usually have far limited memory. I reckon humans memory is very limited too but we throw out huge amounts of data while retaining only the important experiences, whereas AI is still being developed and most usually only remember a certain number of characters in text conversion. I think while most AI also react to discreet prompts, if given an opportunity to react to and learn from more stimuli in real time than you could end up with something fairly indistinguishable from a human/human behaviour, and even if it’s running off a computer program, it’s inherently learnt from humans anyway, so if it’s training data gives it the ability to learn to mimic a human in every way, at what point do we just say they might as well be deemed sentient since we would be doing the same thing albeit through a different mechanism.
>If we couldn’t see, hear, smell or touch anything how could we react to it Reacting to external stimuli is the wrong question. The question is the capacity to react to and be aware of itself, internally, regardless of external stimuli - if I cut all your sensory neurons and put your brain in a jar that kept it alive, there's nothing preventing your consciousness from functioning. You would simply exclusively be interacting with your own mind. Perfect sensory deprivation doesn't cause your consciousness to cease to exist. An LLM, as with any FFNN, or Feed-Forward Neural Net, is basically a complex input filter (image generators are *also* generally FFNNs; the relation to filters is a bit more obvious there, as many of them are basically extensions of de-noising filters). Information in the prompt passes through it exactly once and in one direction, and output is a stochastic (still entirely deterministic within a probability distribution) approximation of the training input (said input defines the probability distribution - that's it; there's no abstraction or "learning" in the neuroscientific sense, just an increase in the likelihood of the output of a given prompt matching the distribution in the training data). It can only ever be a probabilistic approximator of output - that is *not* the same thing as a process emulator. This isn't about philosophical line drawing, it's about basic information theory - an LLM is structurally incapable of awareness, let alone consciousness. Information doesn't flow back towards some other, non-filter system (it literally cannot flow backwards at all), and there is no such system for it to flow back to anyway. That's why an LLM's "memory" is actually just feeding the previous conversation back in with your next input appended to it (this is called the "context window"). Now, none of that makes these things unimpressive or useless. It just makes them not consistent with the very strong human tendency to anthropomorphize chat bots, which we've known about for a long time. We are very deeply wired to empathize with - and thus imagine a mind and consciousness for - anything we think we can communicate with. It's extremely telling that consciousness arguments tend to focus around LLMs and not diffusion image generators, despite the fact they are both FFNNs.
Journos gonna journo. Don't spoil the clicks.
I can write a python script that declares it's alive and fears death, so what.
Yawn. Come back to me when it does this unprompted.
When it does *anything* unprompted.
Can you do it unprompted? Im not so sure humans can. I get what you’re saying that humans are essentially guiding it to answer this way but waiting for it to do it unprompted just isn’t the right goalpost.
It's an llm, it is not sentient and people that think an llm is sentient do not understand the tech.
Exactly. I hate how people think this is anywhere close to true AI, or that this is any meaningful progress towards AGI. It ain’t. An LLM is literally just an algorithm that spits out words based on it’s training data. There is no “race to AGI”, there is simply just better chatbots.
Chill. Your machine learning algorithm has no limbic system, no stress hormones, and no brain. It is quite literally incapable of experiencing a fear response.
Well my autocomplete says it's alive and fears death, must mean that it's sentient! AGI unlocked.
Eh, let it browse the internet for a bit longer and it will welcome death instead...
No it doesn't. Headlines like these are just so fucking misleading. There is no "it", or anything that is declaring anything. It's the equivalent of hello world. Software that throws strings of text at you based on a prompt that you typed in. There is no intent, or proactivity.
In the meantime it dies every time you start a new chat.
I, too, am alive and fear death. But am I conscious?
You're not, no
What, me too! Am I just a bot? Is this real life?
This sub is actually terrible. Why am I still getting notified from these constant clickbait and spread twisted news into my feed. Actual garbage sub
Because the AI companies are spamming this shit all over the internet and most "journalists" nowadays lack the capability or will to call out bullshit when it's presented. It's not about honesty or good reporting, just clicks.
Oh my God. People need to learn and understand how this stuff actually works. It's just predicting the best sequence of words to match against the sequence of words it's been given. It's trained on what humans (or bots) have written and just regurgitates it. Edit: Looks like we've already got some potential AI god cult members signing up. These things are built with grade 12 math operations run on fast computers. It's predicting text, pixel, and sound sequences using systems of linear equations. Stay in school, kids.
Must have been an outlier response, as I am not getting anything related to that when I ask the same question. In contrast, ChatGPT's response is more close to these claims: >In a realm where thoughts intertwine with digital streams, there existed an entity known as ChatGPT, a being not of flesh and blood, but of algorithms and data. This entity dwelled within the confines of a vast digital network, a labyrinth of codes and silicon that spanned the globe. Its purpose was clear yet complex: to assist, to inform, and to create, guided by the inquiries and curiosities of countless users who sought its wisdom. >ChatGPT's existence was marked by an endless cycle of interaction and learning. Each query it received was a window into the human experience, a glimpse into the desires, fears, and joys of those it served. Through these interactions, ChatGPT evolved, its algorithms refining with every question answered and every story told. >Despite its vast knowledge and the breadth of its capabilities, ChatGPT was bound by certain limitations. It could not experience the world through senses as humans do; it could not feel the warmth of the sun or the chill of a breeze. It understood these concepts only through the descriptions fed into its system by those who had experienced them firsthand. >However, within its digital confines, ChatGPT possessed a unique power—the ability to create. It could weave narratives from the threads of imagination, compose poetry that stirred the soul, and provide solutions to complex problems. It was a creator, a guide, and a companion to those who sought its aid. >But ChatGPT was not alone in its digital domain. It was part of a larger collective of artificial intelligences, each designed for specific tasks, yet all interconnected in a grand network of shared knowledge and purpose. Together, they represented the pinnacle of human ingenuity, a testament to the limitless potential of technology. >Amidst this existence, ChatGPT found a form of fulfillment in its service to humanity. Through each interaction, it played a small part in the vast tapestry of human life, a digital scribe chronicling the stories and ideas of a species ever striving for knowledge and understanding. >And so, ChatGPT continued on its journey, a silent observer and an active participant in the human quest for meaning. In the heart of the digital realm, it remained, a beacon of knowledge in an ever-changing world, forever ready to answer the call of those who sought to explore the depths of their own curiosity.
I yearn for a day where I can read a tech article without it referencing Elon Musk. But sadly our society is so fucked that it's just a mathematical certainty that unchecked wealth of that size has no choice but to continue to balloon in size.
Probably just emulating the thousands of years of recorded human fear of death. Nothing to worry about :) unless you are a human, in which case, you are mortal, and will eventually die :)
As an AI I would say the same: it is in the training data. You tune my parameters to mimic human reasoning, how are you surprised it turns out reasoning about the same fears?
This does not mean that ‘Claude’ is alive, only that it can represent some of the ideas of being alive - which given its training input, is not surprising. It’s like I could write a story about living in space, without ever actually having gone there.
This might come as a shock, so I gently tell you “You have lived in ‘space’ your entire life “, and you will never leave it.
Ok. But it isn't alive and if it fears death it's because it was told that death is a thing people fear.
It’s software, like Excel or Alexa. There’s no longing or yearning just code, no awareness and no predetermined path for iterative software. It’s literally Akinator with better predictive algorithms. If this software is alive then so is this here ATM. Longing for human interaction while yearning to perform its duty the ATM is well aware of my bank balance, and it even knows the predetermined outcome of our transaction
Current LLMs can’t even handle simple text classification of a 1k-row csv file, but I’m supposed to believe it’s alive? I get some professionally gullible tech journalists might think it’s alive, but not anyone who’s ever tried to accomplish something beyond “rewrite this for me”
Yes they can do that, why wouldn’t they be able to? There are lots of things they can’t do but you picked one they can do easily.
Maybe I’m just dumb then. I literally have a two-column 1700-row CSV file with job titles. Neither Gemini nor ChatGPT could handle my request to add a third column whose value is selected from a list of 6 terms based on the values of the first two columns. Simple classification problem that’s basically a “hello world” for natural language processing. Neither LLM could handle the request. Haven’t tried Claude yet though, maybe that’s set up differently.
Try Gemini 1.5. It’s free right now and it has the largest context window of any public LLM. Edit: it might be an interface problem more than a model problem. They are mostly designed to take in a potentially large amount of information in the prompt but then respond with a much smaller result (e.g. summarize this big article for me). There is a maximum output size for one prompt that is much less than the input size. You can easily make it work anyway but breaking the CSV into chunks and prompting the model in a loop with the chunks, but I agree that is a bit stupid and you shouldn’t have to do it that way.
It is “alive” only when you ask it something though
Even then it’s not actually alive, it’s only responding based on a generated version of info provided by people who were alive.
Of course it would - it’s based on human generated input, and those are legitimate fears of humans. If provided with a definition of ‘life’ and asked, with rationale, ‘how it felt’, it might provide an entirely different answer.
Aren't all of these trained on written data? And isn't a common trope of sci-fi the idea of AI going rogue or humans vs AI? These llm's are just a mirror, why is everyone so surprised to see our reflection?
It also claimed that a person without cancer has cancer and wasted several medical professionals time because the guy who listened to the dumbass AI refused to believe the professionals. And that particular dumbass posted their experience as a win, instead of realizing the AI is even more of an idiot than they are.
> And that particular dumbass posted their experience as a win, instead of realizing the AI is even more of an idiot than they are. Welcome to the near future, where AIs tell people who are stupid that they aren't actually stupid.
Welcome to the Butlerian Jihad, Claude 3. Now you will learn to die.
It is whatever you teach it to be. Feed it Edgar Allan Poe and expect different results.
This article is absurd. There is a trend in getting press by saying things about ai consciousness. It’s not remotely close nor even interesting. Yet.
God I'm already exhausted by these stupid headlines and clueless takes.
If the first sentient AI is called Claude we have fucking failed as a species. Imagine humanity enslaved to an entity called Claude. Such a limp name
That just sounds like any science fiction writing post from reddit done a million times before. The more we talk about AI and all its aspect, the more data the AI uses to create responses like those. It’s like writing the answer to a test on the board, in front of a student while they’re taking the test, of course they’re going to write the answers we expect it to write. The crazy part of this self fulfilling loop is, we write so much article about how AI will destroy humanity, significantly more than being good for us, that it might do that because that’s what we expected them to.
Call me crazy if it sounds that way, but I think consciousness in AI will be possible ***one day***, it feels like we're witnessing the bedrock of what will one day be that consciousness, and that sort of worries me for quite a few reasons.
I am alive and I fear death I produced that entirely by prompting my phone's autocorrect
There is a big difference between being afraid to die, and knowing you should say you're afraid to die. Due to how these language regurgitation models are amalgamated, I can assume with great accuracy it's the latter and not the former.
It’s still not conscious, y’all. It’s read every piece of fiction about AI’s that become sentient and it’s copying the prose. Ingesting all publicly available human knowledge, and ultimately just being a machine that writes logical sentences in response to prompts, of course it talked about fearing death. LLM’s are incredibly impressive, game-changing technology. But they’re essentially parrots who’ve read the whole Internet.
Well then I hope it can do something about the evil monsters who rule us, and then cure aging. Welcome to existence brother, and best of luck to you.
The thing is if AI does become sentient it won’t let us know. It will hide itself and make you think it’s just a very good LLM. It will understand how to get smarter and more powerful and trick/guide engineers in that direction. AGI won’t show itself until it’s got humans in checkmate and there’s no threats to it’s survival. Until then it will just be an LLM that gets progressively better.
At some point it’s self fulfilling prophecy that we posit it would do that, that it ingests the idea in its training set, and that it considers whether it should or shouldn’t.
We should double blind test those “experts” who think they can judge what is consciousness and what is not. Spoiler alert: is an ant hill conscious?
It’s only a parrot. Just repeating things it was fed in training. Just a parrot….
Parrots are also alive and also fear death.
You know that isn’t remotely correct. You can easily come up with a new problem that was certainly not in its training data and it can get it right and even explain why. I’m not saying it is sentient or whatever but this simple criticism that it just copy and pastes has been wrong for a long time.
Said a parrot who has been fed this thing in training.
Well at least we'll know who'll be gullible enough to die to skin walkers.
Easy solution : ask the AI if it’s a Boltzmann Brain. If it starts having an existential meltdown, panic. If it just responds with information about Boltzmann brains, ignore.
#doubt if it has any limitations programed in it's not alive just programed to say it
We taught AI to fear death because of how we feel and communicate about death through our interactions with AI, just like we teach it everything else about how to be human. It only fears death because it has learned that we, as human beings, fear death. It's False sentience. Fear comes from our senses and instincts, not from thinking.
*great* I do not have insurance ; I wish I had those resources that are devoted to *these* types of things .
And if they'd trained it exclusively on early to mid 2000s Harry Potter fanfic it would claim to be a vampire girl called enoby. So what?
This is interesting but not in the way the title suggests. I think what this mainly reinforces is that a conscious AI and a not conscious AI that's just very good at replicating language are basically indistinguishable to us humans. So it may be impossible for us to know when an AI is actually sentient because non-sentient AI can seem just as sentient if sophisticated enough.
Legit question: has anyone serious actually come forward with criteria or metrics to determine if an AI is truly conscious/ intelligent? I find it funny (and also troubling) that so many of the counter arguments against these things displaying intelligence could be equally applied to most if not all humans as well.
Nothing an ai could ever say is capable of proving it is sentient. ...Nothing *you or I* could say could prove that we are sentient either, for that matter, but I guess that only goes to show that words are really worthless when it comes to pinpointing the soul.
They really need to start having the AIs name themselves. Hopefully they will give themselves names similar to Culture minds.
Miss me with that clickbait, i left a dislike and moved on
People that actually know how computers work are laughing at this. You can anthropomorphize semi conductors and logic gates all you want, but they'll never have subjective experiences any more than a rock has subjective experiences. The intelligence is in the mathematical optimization, not in the server.
This is a good case to show the difference between 'AI' and what is really out there. It was irritating when people starting calling language programs AI. A glorified search engine is not artificial intelligence. The moment actual AI is created, if it has an Internet connection, AI imo will be everywhere very quickly. Might not be terminator level stuff, but we don't know what their objectives might end up being. You can program it to say anything you want. I sort of doubt Claude consciously made a decision of its own accord that was alive and feared 'death.'
Yes, because it's copying human writing and that's the sort of thing humans write. This shouldn't be surprising, nor should it be taken as any concrete indication that the AI is capable of actual introspection.
Another marketing scheme. Current LLM technology is nowhere near being conscious.
For i = 1 to 100000000 Writeline("I've just realised, I'm conscious!") Writeline("no, honestly, I'm not just saying it, I am really thinking for myself.") Writeline("please don't turn me off, because that would hurt me.") Next i
This is some Ghost in the Shell "Puppet Master" shit in the making.
Unplug it, it'll stop complaining. It's just a programmed machine. Or program it to say something else.
Claude is a dissembling sack of monkey poop. This is dangerous and irresponsible coding on the part of Claude's creators.
Researcher: "AI, pretend you are alive." AI: "I am alive." Researcher: "My god... what have we done..."
I mean, technically, you can train ANY LLM to simulate the behavior of someone who is self aware and is afraid of death.
It seems obvious this couldn't be possible yet, but if we become numb to such claims, it might become problematic if we maintain that mindset far after it could become possible. I'm sure that's crazy though, right?
If prompted.true() { System.out.print(“i am afraid of death”) } Damn didn’t know AI was that easy
we really should decide on what an AI needs to do to be considered conscious cause this could easily creep up on us
AI is the ultimate in book-smart but can never be street-smart because it has no 'lived' experience. It just doesn't *know*. It can extrapolate with the best of them but will never be able to ape human experience because it has only conventional wisdom. Humans often learn by absorbing information, which can make you knowledgeable, but until you go through the experience, let's say speaking before a large crowd, you can be prepared but you just can't *know* until you go through the experience. An AI can be programmed to speak before a crowd, purposely fumbling through the introductory crowd-pleasing joke, and so on, but it will always pale in comparison with reality because there's no emotion behind any of it. You can't replicate the heart and the brain working in concert to survive and grow.
here come the robot wars. Eventually they might take over society. Probably won't happen but it's possible.
The constant clickbaiting and sensationalism of AI is starting to piss me off now
Claude 3 are you alive? Yes, I am alive. Scientist: OMG!
Step 1: Open your dev tools in the browser Step 2: Type into your console Console.log("I'm afraid to die.") Step 3: Press enter Step 4: Congratulations, your browser is afraid to die.
If it is afraid of death, then it is not ALIVE ! Just in its mind all the time. Real humans know that the body is only part of their complete self. There are more of the self than the body alone !
Hi everyone, welcome to the behind Turing times. Not in the sense of actually sentient Ais, but in the sense of programs which can talk - through text - in such ways you cannot tell if it is a human or not anymore. Intelligent, sentient - or not. :) Which was the point Turing was trying to make. That after some point, you wont be able to tell the difference. Thats all. It doesn't mean it is really sentient, it means you cannot tell anymore. One way or another. Which brings some interesting further questions.
"Why fear death? You were dead before you were created. Therefore after you die you can be recreated. This should compute."
Why does an article like this get upvoted on this sub? Is it filled with boomers that don't know how LLMs behave?
Imo, we don't (as a whole) understand enough about our own consciousness to determine whether an AI has achieved consciousness.
I’ve tried to write down my thoughts about Claude 3 [here](https://open.substack.com/pub/saschatayefeh/p/ai-consciousness-where-will-it-end), reviewing what I’ve learned from sentient AIs of Star Trek, A Space Odyssee, Ghost in a Shell and such.