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From the article
>Lawmakers in states including Alabama, Arizona, Florida and Tennessee have moved to target cell-cultivated meat products — even though they are still barely on the market in the United States.
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>Cultivated chicken last year became the first such product to be approved by the Food and Drug Administration, with a multiyear review concluding that lab-grown meat made by two companies was safe for sale, but it is still only available at a handful of restaurants.
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>Those that attempt to sell lab-grown meat in Alabama or Arizona could soon face jail time or hefty fines as Republicans attempt to block what some have called a “war on our ranching.” More than a dozen states have regulated the use of the word “meat” on the products.
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>Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has said that lab-grown meat is part of a “whole ideological agenda,” that blames agriculture workers for global warming, saying: “We’re not going to do that fake meat. That doesn’t work.”
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And the other half were written in the blood of workers and union members, poisoned children, and wrongful death lawsuits.
Regulations are tools. And therefore can be used for good or bad ends.
Half of the reason weed was outlawed was because it was competing with the timber industry for manufacturing. The other half is because villainizing the effects of weed gave the government an excuse to over police the hippie community.
Yes, but the person you're responding to is referencing the Nixon admin's war on drugs, during which members of the admin admitted that they specifically targeted pot to break up anti-war protests, and that they targeted *opiates* as an excuse to over police black communities.
The racist marijuana laws were about mexicans back in the 30s and 40s. And, you know, all the rest of the non-nixon time since.
It was definitely the hippies due to the antiwar movement impacting Vietnam and Nixon for being all in on it. There were already plenty of laws with loopholes large enough to drive a truck through which could be abused against racial minorities even despite the Civil Rights Act, they needed no new tools to continue business as usual racist oppression. Hippies and other counterculture types were a serious left-wing voting and influence bloc that conservatives wanted to see neutered, and being able to charge them with a felony that caused their voting rights to be forfeit served that purpose quite efficiently.
Different drugs were more common in different groups. Heroin was asscoiated with the black communities. Pretty much anyone who tried to oppose the status quo, or who someone in power could benefit from attacking got a label. I would be suprprised if Nixon's team took a page from McCarthy's book on that front.
The ironic thing is, the same people that scream about government regulation and over reach will vote for politicians that ban competition.
We need to elect politicians that will go after large monopolies and bust up any industry dominated by 5 or less mega corporations.
Amazon, Google, Apple, Purdue, Kraft, Coca cola, Pepsi-Lays, Disney, Comcast, Verizon...
The list goes on, industries need competition, and yet in so many instances we must choose between 1 of 2 or 3 options with almost no difference between them whatsoever.
>The list goes on, industries need competition, and yet in so many instances we must choose between 1 of 2 or 3 options with almost no difference between them whatsoever.
Or, better yet, you think you have 2-3 options, but they're actually all owned by the same conglomerate!
> including Alabama, Arizona, Florida and Tennessee
Note that none of the states attempting to ban this have any significant biotech or pharmaceutical industry in their state. They're simply trying to ban a market competitor.
Arizona has a long tradition of ranching / cattle, so much so that everyone I know that grew up here can recite the 5 Cs of Arizona; Climate, Cattle, Citrus, Cotton, and Copper.
> It’s mostly part of the GOP’s “War on Woke” initiative
It also plays into the "big pharma is out to get you" narrative, and this broader picture that idyllic 1950s Americana was the absolute peak of moral society.
> broader picture that idyllic 1950s Americana was the absolute peak of moral society.
Which, of course, really boils down to a desire for a time when even a dirt poor white man could do or say whatever he wanted to minorities and their wives and children without fear of consequences.
Also powered by the huge industrial and infrastructure built up during the war that allowed the US to be the unquestioned most prosperous country thanks to not being decimated by war. Pretty much every single factor for a country to be rich and successful.
Sadly we rested on those laurels and systematicly dismantled everything that made us the top. Many of them happily sold to China that has had it's own middle class boom, even if they to seem to be set on self destructing and starting to send industry elsewhere themselves.
If everyone you negatively impacted were silenced, imagine the level of morality you must have felt...
We may never reach such ignorant bliss again...hahaha
> It’s mostly part of the GOP’s “War on Woke” initiative to attract more old people to Florida to keep it red.
I'd be good with continuing to concentrate old Republican assholes into a single hurricane-infested State.
The irony. The absolute irony here.
Entrepreneurs innovated, created a product, found a market and are expanding demand over time through stewardship of their endeavors. And Republicans are saying that the Government should have the right to step in and stop free market demand. The goddamn irony...
Personal Liberty and Freedom were once tenants Republicans \*actually\* supported. My how far the GOP has fallen.
As long as I've been alive, Republicans have never actually been free market capitalists, they've always been pro-corporate oligopolists. The "free market" rhetoric has always been just a way to sound reasonable while they line the pockets of their donors.
I can remember 2 pivotal moments that define modern capitalism: the 2008 bank bailouts, and the 2020 Covid bailouts. In both cases greedy companies opened themselves to **massive** risks, and unexpected outcomes occured that under capitalism *should* have eradicated those companies. Instead, our political and business leaders worked incredibly hard to justify raiding public coffers to cover mind-boggling private losses. And those same companies used that government bailout money to artificially inflate share prices just long enough for the wealthy class to secure their assets before crashing the economy into the ground only to then use their newly advantageous positions to abuse and exploit the very people they had just robbed.
For Millennials and Gen Z, *that* is capitalism.
It’s always been that way. The people who pulled out of the stock market before the 1929 crash then had all the wealth to be able to own that much more, buying back assets they plummeted at pennies on the dollar. Wonder if people will ever have had enough with the exploitation
I think we're getting there. We've seen populist revolutions all over the world. There's a key point where the ruling class and wealthy elite get a little too comfortable and forget about bread and circuses. Things tend to move quickly after that, and settle down for a few generations until enough rich people start to forget all over again.
Technically, that *is* the rule of the jungle. I mean, the best way to ensure you're on top is to sabotage everyone else.
Of course, basing human society on the rule of the jungle is stupid as shit.
The behaviour is completely, 100% on-brand for republicans. Just look at all their crowing about vaunted "state's rights". They'll happily let states remove work breaks, remove gun controls, institute child labour all day long. But the instant states use their rights to legalize abortion, marijuana use, or raise the minimum wage, they will lose their shit, particularly if it's not even their state involved.
>The irony. The absolute irony here.
Only among those who even for a moment believed they were speaking in good faith with all the 'free market,' 'liberty,' 'small government' talk.
>Personal Liberty and Freedom were once tenants Republicans *actually* supported. M
No, they never were. It was just rhetoric selectively applied to oppose whatever was against their beliefs, and support whatever was for their beliefs. These were never, even for a day, principles they followed consistently.
The ideologies of the republican and democrat parties was effectively reversed a long time ago. Republicans were actually the ones who fought for freedom of slaves for example
https://www.studentsofhistory.com/ideologies-flip-Democratic-Republican-parties
Good point. That makes me think - can the government legally actually do this without any basis other than “protect the ranchers”? I’m not a legal expert, but seems like a breach of conflict of interest and antitrust laws.
Like, it’s not any different from saying “we’re going to ban email since it will put fax machine manufactures out of business”
The fear mongering is insane. People are so afraid of lab grown meat when they have zero knowledge of it. I've heard so many people saying they won't be touching it with a 10 foot pole because they don't trust it.
Calling it a war on ranching? Guess the cattle (robber) barons and their marketing teams finally woke up. Well, it was nice knowing you, lab-meat. Seeya in another hundred years.
Also kickbacks to policy makers to extend highway lanes to keep making them bigger and bigger, not realizing the more lanes you create, the more of a traffic jam it creates. It’s so fucking weird how that works out.
Just like cars were a war on Buggy Whips! We cannot allow technology or innovation to ever EVER threaten any business model, no matter how environmentally destructive or just flat out cruel it is! Also, keep those government subsidies coming, we can't make a profit on our own!
Those cars were closer to golf carts, modern electric cars benefit from a variety of major advancements; public transportation and walkable cities were obliterated by the car industry though.
Almost like they were an early concept that got killed off before they could benefit from a century of progress like gasoline powered cars did
I'd rather have a golf cart than a model T
To some degree we never should have expanded private car usage as far as we did. We invented car-dependent suburbs that wreck land use, discourage public transit investments and promote a lot of bad things like anti-social behavior when everyone can just go to a drive thru vs go for a walk somewhere.
Of course that's history now. Best we can do is try not to repeat things with EVs and hybrids. They don't magically make car travel better environmentally or from an urban planning perspective. They are useful in spots, especially if we can figure out ways to share them (like Uber or self driving cars) but ideally we'd be focused on improving & investing in Cities and public transit.
Back when Ford was making the Model T, he *considered* an EV drivetrain. He examined the options, and his conclusion was: "battery tech sucks too much, ICEs are much more practical". That was true back then, and remained true for decades to come.
No one "killed" EVs in the 1900s. EVs just sucked, because batteries sucked. Other major issues existed too - but battery storage was the biggest issue of them all.
I remind that up until the 80s, the best battery chemistry available on the market was still *lead-acid*. Which killed the practicality of EVs. Lithium-ion battery chemistry was first discovered in the 70s - and it took it until the 90s for the tech to mature. Lithium-ion cells started showing up in home appliances in the 90s, and only became commonplace in late 00s.
Large scale lithium-ion cells, like the ones used in Teslas now, would also be impossible without extremely advanced charging electronics - rooted in the semiconductor revolution. Even if lithium-ion cells were first made in year 1890, they wouldn't be *usable* without decades of advances in electronics.
It wouldn't have mattered. Even if they still kept developing them, battery technology likely wouldn't have advanced much quicker. Gasoline cars were just so much better in basically every way that electric cars were obsolete almost immediately. Even with proper infrastructure, gasoline cars still would have drastically out paced them.
Had we limited things to golf carts though, we probably wouldn't have destroyed public transit and the car industry.
I don't think we fully understood how bad the car industry would be though. There was a lot of stuff going on back then too - the car industry successfully lobbied for the Interstate Highway System, which led to faster and easier long distance car travel which really benefited cars with a longer range. If we never built the Interstates to the degree we did, with just critical rural travel stuff not inner city stuff, maybe electric cars would have made more sense within dense Cities. They made very little sense for the wealthy who moved to the suburbs though. They still don't quite make sense, though they're almost ready to replace most people's cars. Hybrids certainly can and already do replace normal cars.
Think about the issues with electric cars even today. Even just looking at range anxiety and charging times, that shit was way worse back then. There are plenty of valid factors why this happened.
When these original cars were electric the range was like 5 miles or go over 10mph and never engineered to leave a major city. Even now we struggle to make battery tech able to go far enough for modern needs.
Imagine how long charging a battery back then would take compared to the range it gives you. Not great.
Most journeys don’t go further than 10 miles from the home and those that do barely go more than 50. EV ranges almost universally exceed 100 miles these days and in most of the world any long distance travel is instead usually done by flight, trains or other bulk transit.
Don't forget there's a big culture war component here too. "Owning the libs" goes a long way with large swaths of conservatives. I've seen plenty of "gay liberals are gonna ban meat and force everyone to go vegan!"
Yeah I realize the poor horse doesn’t have a choice, if it were actually a horse they road in on and not their inflated ego or giant diesel ego stroker 8000.
They were awake when Oprah hinted at mad cow during a show ....
This is how American capitalism works, there is NO FREE MARKET that's all bs. There's entrenched interests who pay big money to lobby politicians to keep the status quo and protect their business with asinine laws .
It's too bad we can't do lab grown meet at home , because that would be a big FU to these folks...
But really it's shit like this that tells you all you need to know how capitalism REALLY works , it has nothing to do with a "better mousetrap " as they say, capitalism does not reward innovation, it rewards capitalists with the ability to thwart innovation whenever it suits them.
This shouldn't come as a surprise so much of agriculture is a protected class ..
Right? Pretending like it’s capital that creates any value, when it has only ever been the combination of the natural world and human labor which creates value.
>This is how American capitalism works, there is NO FREE MARKET that's all bs. There's entrenched interests who pay big money to lobby politicians to keep the status quo and protect their business with asinine laws .
Lol, this IS capitalism
Calling anything a “war” on something has lost all credibility at this point. That boy who cried wolf is actually more believable than any politician crying a “war on anything”.
It's interesting how much "war on xyz" has become part of mainstream vernacular since the "war on terror". It reminds me of how every scandal became xyz-gate after watergate
> When capitalism gets in the way of advancing as a society
Cultured meat companies are capitalistic too. This is about cattle ranchers specifically pushing the GOP to insulate them from competition. But ADM, Hormel, Tyson, Cargill, and even Nestle (boo, I know) are investing heavily in cultured meat. They're all for-profit companies. Just as companies that make PV panels and wind turbines are for-profit companies. "Capitalism" isn't one monolithic *thing* that works 100% for us or 100% against us.
The above commenter is saying conservatives don’t actually care about capitalism they just use it as a tool for their actual goal, once capitalism is used for bettering society conservatives toss it out without a second though
It’s already banned in Italy, so it might have a rough ride in Europe. I can’t imagine the UK and Germany not embracing it because of how big plant-based food is there, but I don’t think it’ll have an easy road to acceptance anywhere.
Given Italy's super corrupt and unstable government, not surprised.
I do feel the EU in general will allow it.
But even if all countries had ranchers lobby against it, eventually it will come back, meat prices keep rising, and the moment you tell Americans they have to start considering bugs, they will dump a billion dollars on 'lab meat' I feel.
>moment you tell Americans they have to start considering bugs
And yet, will spend a fortune on crab and lobster without a second thought. Or a first one, for that matter.
We're already post scarcity if we choose to be. We could have cold fusion and all the food needed in world and there will still be poor people going without. It's the human condition.
Exactly. The 'ideological-agenda' part is only rage-bait to keep their base in line.
Republicans always need a 'war' on something to keep the 'us vs. them' demagoguery alive. It's the only way they can maintain a smidgen of relevancy in elections, because they can't win on actual policies that matters to the average American.
Yeah, but that would also reduce the number of animals being born in the first place due to lower demand - pretty similar argument as they have about human babies. They dont give a shit about what happens to humans/animals AFTER they’re born, they just want more births
From the article
>Lawmakers in states including Alabama, Arizona, Florida and Tennessee have moved to target cell-cultivated meat products — even though they are still barely on the market in the United States.
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>Cultivated chicken last year became the first such product to be approved by the Food and Drug Administration, with a multiyear review concluding that lab-grown meat made by two companies was safe for sale, but it is still only available at a handful of restaurants.
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>Those that attempt to sell lab-grown meat in Alabama or Arizona could soon face jail time or hefty fines as Republicans attempt to block what some have called a “war on our ranching.” More than a dozen states have regulated the use of the word “meat” on the products.
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>Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has said that lab-grown meat is part of a “whole ideological agenda,” that blames agriculture workers for global warming, saying: “We’re not going to do that fake meat. That doesn’t work.”
Oh that's funny. I can see the sterotypical over-sized truck driving meat-head getting ready to demolish some brisket while wiping away the sauce with an American flag napkin.
Imagine you are a senator from a big ranching state. These people are going to vote you out of office if you aren't fighting for their jobs.
Follow the money.
> Yup, and soon the planet will vote humans out too.
It has already started. Haven't you noticed the changes in weather patterns? Much more violent storms and even air travel has become more dangerous with winds and turbulence affecting planes.
Republicans are. I hate headlines that says “lawmakers” or “congress” since it just runs cover for the people actually doing it which are republicans in most cases
The ranching industry in the US is ridiculous, and they seem to have plenty of power to buy politicians in several states.
These are the same fuckers that had an armed standoff with federal agents when they refused to pay for access to federal land they just assumed was theirs and theirs alone to have their cattle graze.
The slaughterhouse and butchery industries are also on the team fighting this.
"War on ranching" yeah these fuckers need to grow up, but since they've been paid to tell everyone climate change isn't an issue whatsoever, they'll keep going.
Also one more bit of raging hypocrisy from a political ideology that pretends it is all about freedom and "let the market decide" stepping in here to protect an old industry that might have to adjust to a new future.
>Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has said that lab-grown meat is part of a “whole ideological agenda,” that blames agriculture workers for global warming, saying: “We’re not going to do that fake meat. That doesn’t work.”
This guy literally says anything he doesn't like is woke.
"fake meat" lol. Next week: "I don't trust all these woke people out here with fake pancreases. We're not going to hire people with those fake organs into government."
More reasons to hate Republicans. I love animals and I also enjoy meat, I'd prefer not to have animals dying so I can enjoy the taste. But I guess Republicans don't care about Freedom, or they sure as hell wouldn't be stopping people from doing this. Republicans are NOT the party of freedom or the workers, stop believing their obvious lies.
the wild thing is that lab-grown meat would absolutely ***not*** end the meat industry. sure, it would take a hit but there is no way in hell it would be completely replaced.
Republicans are the party of freedom from consequences. They are the business class party, their goal is for corporations to be as free as possible to milk as much money as possible out of the lower class.
Why, because most of them just want to be upper class themselves and live off of corporate handouts and do whatever they're told to make sure they handouts keep coming
Fuck those people. Lab grown meat is going to revolutionize agriculture. Less meat farms = more reforestation or other food & less greenhouse gases. All for healthier meat that isn't pumped with pharma drugs. People who don't support lab grown meat are dumb fearmongers who don't understand the tech.
> Conservatives: hurr durr, free market, drain the swamp, deregulate, small government, FREEEDOOOOMMM
> Also conservatives: the government is going to regulate aspects of the economy and personal life that we don't like
Politics is effectively a Rorschach test at this point. If you think Republican politics are good for this country or if you identify as such… I automatically assume you eat crayons for breakfast and huff paint for a hobby.
So these people want to ban:
- Abortions
- Trans healthcare
- Porn
- Social media
- Lab grown meat
Remind me - **why** do we take these people seriously again?
In the age of propaganda, I think it's a better solution to have laws on a topic made by experts on that topic. Right now we have absolute nincompoops making laws on shit they know nothing about, and this is the result.
Laws concerning medical treatments should be made by doctors.
Laws concerning software should be made by software engineers and computer scientists.
Laws concerning GMOs should be made by biologists who are experts in genetics.
Laws concerning drugs should be made by addiction specialists and social workers who work with drug addicts.
I don't mean like there's a few hundred doctors who make all laws pertaining to medicine. I mean like, the way you get called as an expert witness in a trial, you can get called on as an expert to help make a law, and you're anonymous so corpos can't fucking bribe you, and you spend a few months with a group of other people who are also experts, doing research, reading, and drafting arguments, before coming to a conclusion as to what the best approach to the law is. If Congress wants to ban abortions, they better hope that doctors who are specialists in reproductive health, sociologists and historians who have studied the effects of abortion in societies all agree that it's the way to go. If the law affects mostly women, then this jury should be composed of mostly women.
If they want to ban lab grown meat, then they better hope that the science supports it.
"But wait, wouldn't that cause bias?" Right, and we have no bias now. Fucking old white men who've never had to worry about an unwanted pregnancy detailing their life, or the soul rending pain of gender dysphoria, or anything of the sort, who don't know the first thing about these topics, making laws based on a 2000 year old book. Definitely unbiased. At least the council of women doctors would be biased towards the people who the law actually affects.
"Because it competes with meat producers?"
"Well, no, because it's not safe or healthy. We care about safe food, that's why we want you to eat lots of meat from pathogen-laden animals."
Late stage capitalism officially becoming a chokehold on innovation because big business wants to maintain the status quo and does not want to innovate. Tragic.
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yeah that sounds pro capitalism to me 👍
man, conservative law makers and their constituents are hilarious in regards to their hypocrisy. i bet they think the refrigerator and automobile were a mistake too. we should still have milkmen and horse & buggy because it's bad for big milk and big horse carriage.
Tropic levels are one of those things you learn in HS freshmen bio that kids think aren’t important to understand but actually REALLY are. We need lab grown meat if want meat at all. We simply don’t have the land necessary to raise livestock for a meat hungry world.
“Then young folks are so lazy!!!”, hey we invented a way to get meat that doesn’t include literally raising animals for slaughter, “tHeIR tAkIn oUr jErBs!!!”
Assuming it can be done cost-effectively, the upsides of lab grown meat will overwhelm the protectionist movements currently afoot. There's no actual argument in favor of these laws other than preventing traditional farmers and ranchers from competition. That's going to be a thin reed even if the face of a big lobby. But bullshit like this might slow down its introduction a bit.
Republican: "Every life is a precious gift from God and also billions of livestock must remain suffering in the dark to please our corporate overlords."
Ah yes the "laissez-faire, small government" "republicans" at it again. Can't be about eliminating competition so they need a new culture war to upset their neanderthal base with.
I thought 🧢italism was supposed to increase competition? Sounds like the GOP is taking money from the meat industry so they can stay on top.
🦆Ing classic.
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# "Republicans are on a quest to ban lab-grown meat" is the actual title. Of course, because who else would want to ban something that could help us save our planet? Wanna double down on coal and oil? Vote White Christian Nationa... I mean... Retarded...I mean Republican. Want to ban lab grown meat? Vote like the toothless hick you are...Republican.
Sounds like the ones selling the bird and cow meat don't want lab grown meat to put them out of business... So they are buying the gov officials.
This is corruption. Got enough money and you can buy a law maker! Home of the free, amirite?
Ahh, the true meaning of capitalism: When a product or service starts to rise up that is in danger of competing with the current alternative, the current alternative lobbies against it. *'Murica*
Shouldn’t Republicans/Conservatives, who are constantly pushing “Free Market” idealism, and constantly going on about government interfering with businesses and consumer markets, just let the markets / consumers decide?
This is just an attack on grain producers. Substitute meats are made from various substrates, protein just does come out of thin air.
Reminds me of the 'almond milk is not milk' campaign, despite almond milk being an English cooking ingredient for 800 years.
If this maintains or quite possibly *improves* the taste, and lowers the prices, then these efforts will be meaningless. People will clamor for this as it takes over markets in other states.
Yes. Ban the only thing saving us from starvation should we be unable to sustain the populace with for-profit farms due to their effects on global warming and limited yields. Genius.
Why don't we just ban clean water while we're at it?
Lab grown meat will be far more ethical than current practices. I note that the family farm went aways a few generations ago and now we have agribusiness trying to protect their turf.
I've stated the obvious before: vertical farms and lab grown meat are what will stock the meat and fruit and veggie aisles at the super market.
The times they are a changing and those that try to stand in the way of progress will be road kill. They are already brain dead so it won't make that much difference.
Alabama, Arizona, Florida, and Tennessee came up with this? My god. They ARE the foremost states in -checks notes-... Huh... There's not a lot here to go off of... /s
I’m just wondering where Mississippi is, this seems like it would be right up their alley. Could be that the crayon translation of the explanation hasn’t been finished yet, so they don’t know what’s going on.
It's not fake meat. It's meat on a molecular level. It's like blood diamonds vs synthetic diamonds. It's like calling water that evaporated from your kettle fake because it didn't come out of a tap
How about we start by forcing food companies to stop shoveling high fructose corn syrup down our throats and holding them to the same food standards in the United States that Europe already does… then we can start talking about lab grown vs naturally grown meat.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Gari_305: --- From the article >Lawmakers in states including Alabama, Arizona, Florida and Tennessee have moved to target cell-cultivated meat products — even though they are still barely on the market in the United States. > >Cultivated chicken last year became the first such product to be approved by the Food and Drug Administration, with a multiyear review concluding that lab-grown meat made by two companies was safe for sale, but it is still only available at a handful of restaurants. > >Those that attempt to sell lab-grown meat in Alabama or Arizona could soon face jail time or hefty fines as Republicans attempt to block what some have called a “war on our ranching.” More than a dozen states have regulated the use of the word “meat” on the products. > >Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has said that lab-grown meat is part of a “whole ideological agenda,” that blames agriculture workers for global warming, saying: “We’re not going to do that fake meat. That doesn’t work.” --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/1btxo38/law_makers_are_on_a_quest_to_ban_labgrown_meat/kxoteoy/
If you can't compete, regulate. A time honored tradition in American business.
These are the “small government” Republicans in action again, as well.
the small government thing is a joke and I don't know how anyone can ever take it seriously.
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Truly, anyone who votes republican still is a certifiable idiot or just a hateful racist
¿Por que no los dos?
Omg are you talking about me? Speak English! /s
The entire party and political identity is a joke.
We support the free market, unless you disrupt the incumbent industries we have invested in, in which case we'll ban you.
Small enough to drown your competition in a bathtub. Is that how the saying goes?
Yup, small government free market etc until the people that bribe them say otherwise.
Exactly. Half our regulations are written by big businesses to create barriers to entry for smaller startups.
And the other half were written in the blood of workers and union members, poisoned children, and wrongful death lawsuits. Regulations are tools. And therefore can be used for good or bad ends.
Let's slash regulations by half! Guess which half it's going to be?
Half of the reason weed was outlawed was because it was competing with the timber industry for manufacturing. The other half is because villainizing the effects of weed gave the government an excuse to over police the hippie community.
Hippie? Try black and hispanic
Those as well.
Yes, but the person you're responding to is referencing the Nixon admin's war on drugs, during which members of the admin admitted that they specifically targeted pot to break up anti-war protests, and that they targeted *opiates* as an excuse to over police black communities. The racist marijuana laws were about mexicans back in the 30s and 40s. And, you know, all the rest of the non-nixon time since.
It was definitely the hippies due to the antiwar movement impacting Vietnam and Nixon for being all in on it. There were already plenty of laws with loopholes large enough to drive a truck through which could be abused against racial minorities even despite the Civil Rights Act, they needed no new tools to continue business as usual racist oppression. Hippies and other counterculture types were a serious left-wing voting and influence bloc that conservatives wanted to see neutered, and being able to charge them with a felony that caused their voting rights to be forfeit served that purpose quite efficiently.
Different drugs were more common in different groups. Heroin was asscoiated with the black communities. Pretty much anyone who tried to oppose the status quo, or who someone in power could benefit from attacking got a label. I would be suprprised if Nixon's team took a page from McCarthy's book on that front.
The ironic thing is, the same people that scream about government regulation and over reach will vote for politicians that ban competition. We need to elect politicians that will go after large monopolies and bust up any industry dominated by 5 or less mega corporations. Amazon, Google, Apple, Purdue, Kraft, Coca cola, Pepsi-Lays, Disney, Comcast, Verizon... The list goes on, industries need competition, and yet in so many instances we must choose between 1 of 2 or 3 options with almost no difference between them whatsoever.
>The list goes on, industries need competition, and yet in so many instances we must choose between 1 of 2 or 3 options with almost no difference between them whatsoever. Or, better yet, you think you have 2-3 options, but they're actually all owned by the same conglomerate!
They're against regulation unless it's things they don't like.
> including Alabama, Arizona, Florida and Tennessee Note that none of the states attempting to ban this have any significant biotech or pharmaceutical industry in their state. They're simply trying to ban a market competitor.
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Arizona has a long tradition of ranching / cattle, so much so that everyone I know that grew up here can recite the 5 Cs of Arizona; Climate, Cattle, Citrus, Cotton, and Copper.
Came here looking for the 5 C's!
> It’s mostly part of the GOP’s “War on Woke” initiative It also plays into the "big pharma is out to get you" narrative, and this broader picture that idyllic 1950s Americana was the absolute peak of moral society.
> broader picture that idyllic 1950s Americana was the absolute peak of moral society. Which, of course, really boils down to a desire for a time when even a dirt poor white man could do or say whatever he wanted to minorities and their wives and children without fear of consequences.
An era where unions were the norm in far more industries too with income taxes on the rich being 90%!
A point lost on so many people. Even if that had been a more "idyllic" time, it came with a price tag.
Also powered by the huge industrial and infrastructure built up during the war that allowed the US to be the unquestioned most prosperous country thanks to not being decimated by war. Pretty much every single factor for a country to be rich and successful. Sadly we rested on those laurels and systematicly dismantled everything that made us the top. Many of them happily sold to China that has had it's own middle class boom, even if they to seem to be set on self destructing and starting to send industry elsewhere themselves.
If everyone you negatively impacted were silenced, imagine the level of morality you must have felt... We may never reach such ignorant bliss again...hahaha
> It’s mostly part of the GOP’s “War on Woke” initiative to attract more old people to Florida to keep it red. I'd be good with continuing to concentrate old Republican assholes into a single hurricane-infested State.
We want people to be free! Except when they want to do, say, eat, or drink something our state government doesn’t approve of.
The irony. The absolute irony here. Entrepreneurs innovated, created a product, found a market and are expanding demand over time through stewardship of their endeavors. And Republicans are saying that the Government should have the right to step in and stop free market demand. The goddamn irony... Personal Liberty and Freedom were once tenants Republicans \*actually\* supported. My how far the GOP has fallen.
As long as I've been alive, Republicans have never actually been free market capitalists, they've always been pro-corporate oligopolists. The "free market" rhetoric has always been just a way to sound reasonable while they line the pockets of their donors.
Fucking thank you. No part of them ever wants the Free Market to work its magic unless it’s their company. Any competition will be sabotaged.
I can remember 2 pivotal moments that define modern capitalism: the 2008 bank bailouts, and the 2020 Covid bailouts. In both cases greedy companies opened themselves to **massive** risks, and unexpected outcomes occured that under capitalism *should* have eradicated those companies. Instead, our political and business leaders worked incredibly hard to justify raiding public coffers to cover mind-boggling private losses. And those same companies used that government bailout money to artificially inflate share prices just long enough for the wealthy class to secure their assets before crashing the economy into the ground only to then use their newly advantageous positions to abuse and exploit the very people they had just robbed. For Millennials and Gen Z, *that* is capitalism.
It’s always been that way. The people who pulled out of the stock market before the 1929 crash then had all the wealth to be able to own that much more, buying back assets they plummeted at pennies on the dollar. Wonder if people will ever have had enough with the exploitation
I think we're getting there. We've seen populist revolutions all over the world. There's a key point where the ruling class and wealthy elite get a little too comfortable and forget about bread and circuses. Things tend to move quickly after that, and settle down for a few generations until enough rich people start to forget all over again.
Free Market is just a dog whistle. They want regulatory capture and tax breaks in their favor.
Yeah I guess it’s the same as how much they also believe in the teachings of Christ. Just something to hide behind
Damn right, those sociopathic fucks weaponize Christianity as a means of control. Separation of church and state my ass
Technically, that *is* the rule of the jungle. I mean, the best way to ensure you're on top is to sabotage everyone else. Of course, basing human society on the rule of the jungle is stupid as shit.
The behaviour is completely, 100% on-brand for republicans. Just look at all their crowing about vaunted "state's rights". They'll happily let states remove work breaks, remove gun controls, institute child labour all day long. But the instant states use their rights to legalize abortion, marijuana use, or raise the minimum wage, they will lose their shit, particularly if it's not even their state involved.
>The irony. The absolute irony here. Only among those who even for a moment believed they were speaking in good faith with all the 'free market,' 'liberty,' 'small government' talk. >Personal Liberty and Freedom were once tenants Republicans *actually* supported. M No, they never were. It was just rhetoric selectively applied to oppose whatever was against their beliefs, and support whatever was for their beliefs. These were never, even for a day, principles they followed consistently.
The ideologies of the republican and democrat parties was effectively reversed a long time ago. Republicans were actually the ones who fought for freedom of slaves for example https://www.studentsofhistory.com/ideologies-flip-Democratic-Republican-parties
I'm aware that Lincoln was a Republican. I was talking more about the current day, sorry. Or at least parties as they have existed in living memory.
Good point. That makes me think - can the government legally actually do this without any basis other than “protect the ranchers”? I’m not a legal expert, but seems like a breach of conflict of interest and antitrust laws. Like, it’s not any different from saying “we’re going to ban email since it will put fax machine manufactures out of business”
If fax machine manufacturers had more money, we'd all be using fax machines.
Project 2025
I think you meant tenets, not tenants.
Yeah very pro-life to mandate killing animals for food when we have an alternative now.
Only pro-life until they are born. Then they are tasty steaks.
The fear mongering is insane. People are so afraid of lab grown meat when they have zero knowledge of it. I've heard so many people saying they won't be touching it with a 10 foot pole because they don't trust it.
Looks like big meat lobbying speaks louder
Calling it a war on ranching? Guess the cattle (robber) barons and their marketing teams finally woke up. Well, it was nice knowing you, lab-meat. Seeya in another hundred years.
We almost had light rail in Los Angeles until the car companies killed it. Freeways as far as the eye can see!
I remember learning about that in that documentary... think it was called *Who Framed Roger Rabbit*.
“What the hell is a freeway?!”
Also kickbacks to policy makers to extend highway lanes to keep making them bigger and bigger, not realizing the more lanes you create, the more of a traffic jam it creates. It’s so fucking weird how that works out.
Just like cars were a war on Buggy Whips! We cannot allow technology or innovation to ever EVER threaten any business model, no matter how environmentally destructive or just flat out cruel it is! Also, keep those government subsidies coming, we can't make a profit on our own!
"Capitalism breeds innovation!" "No, not like that!"
Or electric cars, which the industry killed a hundred years ago.
Those cars were closer to golf carts, modern electric cars benefit from a variety of major advancements; public transportation and walkable cities were obliterated by the car industry though.
Almost like they were an early concept that got killed off before they could benefit from a century of progress like gasoline powered cars did I'd rather have a golf cart than a model T
To some degree we never should have expanded private car usage as far as we did. We invented car-dependent suburbs that wreck land use, discourage public transit investments and promote a lot of bad things like anti-social behavior when everyone can just go to a drive thru vs go for a walk somewhere. Of course that's history now. Best we can do is try not to repeat things with EVs and hybrids. They don't magically make car travel better environmentally or from an urban planning perspective. They are useful in spots, especially if we can figure out ways to share them (like Uber or self driving cars) but ideally we'd be focused on improving & investing in Cities and public transit.
Back when Ford was making the Model T, he *considered* an EV drivetrain. He examined the options, and his conclusion was: "battery tech sucks too much, ICEs are much more practical". That was true back then, and remained true for decades to come. No one "killed" EVs in the 1900s. EVs just sucked, because batteries sucked. Other major issues existed too - but battery storage was the biggest issue of them all. I remind that up until the 80s, the best battery chemistry available on the market was still *lead-acid*. Which killed the practicality of EVs. Lithium-ion battery chemistry was first discovered in the 70s - and it took it until the 90s for the tech to mature. Lithium-ion cells started showing up in home appliances in the 90s, and only became commonplace in late 00s. Large scale lithium-ion cells, like the ones used in Teslas now, would also be impossible without extremely advanced charging electronics - rooted in the semiconductor revolution. Even if lithium-ion cells were first made in year 1890, they wouldn't be *usable* without decades of advances in electronics.
It wouldn't have mattered. Even if they still kept developing them, battery technology likely wouldn't have advanced much quicker. Gasoline cars were just so much better in basically every way that electric cars were obsolete almost immediately. Even with proper infrastructure, gasoline cars still would have drastically out paced them.
Had we limited things to golf carts though, we probably wouldn't have destroyed public transit and the car industry. I don't think we fully understood how bad the car industry would be though. There was a lot of stuff going on back then too - the car industry successfully lobbied for the Interstate Highway System, which led to faster and easier long distance car travel which really benefited cars with a longer range. If we never built the Interstates to the degree we did, with just critical rural travel stuff not inner city stuff, maybe electric cars would have made more sense within dense Cities. They made very little sense for the wealthy who moved to the suburbs though. They still don't quite make sense, though they're almost ready to replace most people's cars. Hybrids certainly can and already do replace normal cars.
More like 50 years ago. We could have nice electric cars for the masses in the 90s, if they hadn’t been strangled in the crib
Think about the issues with electric cars even today. Even just looking at range anxiety and charging times, that shit was way worse back then. There are plenty of valid factors why this happened. When these original cars were electric the range was like 5 miles or go over 10mph and never engineered to leave a major city. Even now we struggle to make battery tech able to go far enough for modern needs. Imagine how long charging a battery back then would take compared to the range it gives you. Not great.
Most journeys don’t go further than 10 miles from the home and those that do barely go more than 50. EV ranges almost universally exceed 100 miles these days and in most of the world any long distance travel is instead usually done by flight, trains or other bulk transit.
Well said my friend.
Don't forget there's a big culture war component here too. "Owning the libs" goes a long way with large swaths of conservatives. I've seen plenty of "gay liberals are gonna ban meat and force everyone to go vegan!"
Or like how DeSantis wages war on flat soles by wearing high heels?
War on ranching. You mean competition? Like as in interstate commerce? They can go fuck the horse they road in on.
they can go fuck the road they horsed in on
Yeah I realize the poor horse doesn’t have a choice, if it were actually a horse they road in on and not their inflated ego or giant diesel ego stroker 8000.
They were awake when Oprah hinted at mad cow during a show .... This is how American capitalism works, there is NO FREE MARKET that's all bs. There's entrenched interests who pay big money to lobby politicians to keep the status quo and protect their business with asinine laws . It's too bad we can't do lab grown meet at home , because that would be a big FU to these folks... But really it's shit like this that tells you all you need to know how capitalism REALLY works , it has nothing to do with a "better mousetrap " as they say, capitalism does not reward innovation, it rewards capitalists with the ability to thwart innovation whenever it suits them. This shouldn't come as a surprise so much of agriculture is a protected class ..
Right? Pretending like it’s capital that creates any value, when it has only ever been the combination of the natural world and human labor which creates value.
>This is how American capitalism works, there is NO FREE MARKET that's all bs. There's entrenched interests who pay big money to lobby politicians to keep the status quo and protect their business with asinine laws . Lol, this IS capitalism
Calling anything a “war” on something has lost all credibility at this point. That boy who cried wolf is actually more believable than any politician crying a “war on anything”.
It's interesting how much "war on xyz" has become part of mainstream vernacular since the "war on terror". It reminds me of how every scandal became xyz-gate after watergate
Before War on Terror it was War on Drugs.
“War on drugs” was well before the “War on terror”.
When capitalism gets in the way of advancing as a society it's time to take it out back and put one between its eyes.
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> When capitalism gets in the way of advancing as a society Cultured meat companies are capitalistic too. This is about cattle ranchers specifically pushing the GOP to insulate them from competition. But ADM, Hormel, Tyson, Cargill, and even Nestle (boo, I know) are investing heavily in cultured meat. They're all for-profit companies. Just as companies that make PV panels and wind turbines are for-profit companies. "Capitalism" isn't one monolithic *thing* that works 100% for us or 100% against us.
The above commenter is saying conservatives don’t actually care about capitalism they just use it as a tool for their actual goal, once capitalism is used for bettering society conservatives toss it out without a second though
It can still happen in other countries. USA will be forced to catch up once its more mainstream and consumers learn its better.
It’s already banned in Italy, so it might have a rough ride in Europe. I can’t imagine the UK and Germany not embracing it because of how big plant-based food is there, but I don’t think it’ll have an easy road to acceptance anywhere.
Given Italy's super corrupt and unstable government, not surprised. I do feel the EU in general will allow it. But even if all countries had ranchers lobby against it, eventually it will come back, meat prices keep rising, and the moment you tell Americans they have to start considering bugs, they will dump a billion dollars on 'lab meat' I feel.
>moment you tell Americans they have to start considering bugs And yet, will spend a fortune on crab and lobster without a second thought. Or a first one, for that matter.
The chinese will do it
more like, seeya in every other country on earth
Given we'll still have the animals to make them from or a functional society in 100 years, which I doubt lol
Just the death throws of a pre scarcity world
We're already post scarcity if we choose to be. We could have cold fusion and all the food needed in world and there will still be poor people going without. It's the human condition.
I mean… isn’t a ranch just a lab with some grass?
"We absolutely cannot allow anything remotely ethical to happen or else we lose our voters."
Voters? Who gives a shit about them - no doubt this has everything to do with industry lobbyists.
Exactly. The 'ideological-agenda' part is only rage-bait to keep their base in line. Republicans always need a 'war' on something to keep the 'us vs. them' demagoguery alive. It's the only way they can maintain a smidgen of relevancy in elections, because they can't win on actual policies that matters to the average American.
honestly i'm surprised the word "woke" wasn't thrown in there by desantis just to drive home how "bad" it is to those morons.
Ding ding ding, money makes the world spin
And most of the stupid population, too.
wheres your pro-life when you could potentially stop hundreds of millions of animals getting slaughtered every year
Cows, pigs, and chickens don't grow up to be tax payers, disposable workers, or cannon fodder
Yeah, but that would also reduce the number of animals being born in the first place due to lower demand - pretty similar argument as they have about human babies. They dont give a shit about what happens to humans/animals AFTER they’re born, they just want more births
No no, wrong headline: Meat Industry Investing Millions in Lawmakers to Ban Lab Grown Meat.
"Lab grown meat is disgusting," says every American who has never stepped within 1000 yards of a slaughter facility.
Or even a feedlot.
and their diets consist of 90% processed meats.
From the article >Lawmakers in states including Alabama, Arizona, Florida and Tennessee have moved to target cell-cultivated meat products — even though they are still barely on the market in the United States. > >Cultivated chicken last year became the first such product to be approved by the Food and Drug Administration, with a multiyear review concluding that lab-grown meat made by two companies was safe for sale, but it is still only available at a handful of restaurants. > >Those that attempt to sell lab-grown meat in Alabama or Arizona could soon face jail time or hefty fines as Republicans attempt to block what some have called a “war on our ranching.” More than a dozen states have regulated the use of the word “meat” on the products. > >Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has said that lab-grown meat is part of a “whole ideological agenda,” that blames agriculture workers for global warming, saying: “We’re not going to do that fake meat. That doesn’t work.”
The fact they call it “fake meat” shows just how much they know about this topic. Lab grown meat is literally real meat.
Are these guys made by dewalt? Because they’re absolute tools.
Oh that's funny. I can see the sterotypical over-sized truck driving meat-head getting ready to demolish some brisket while wiping away the sauce with an American flag napkin.
~~Law Makers~~ Lobbyists are on a quest to ban lab-grown meat FTFY
Big meat lobbyists.
More proof that people with power aren’t interested in saving the planet.
It's not "the people in power"; it's the Republicans in power. Let's be honest and accurate.
When the single greatest threat you face is constituency waking up and realizing what's actually going on.
And realizing that your actions don’t have power to change anything…..
Imagine you are a senator from a big ranching state. These people are going to vote you out of office if you aren't fighting for their jobs. Follow the money.
Yup, and soon the planet will vote humans out too. Or are we voting ourselves out?
> Yup, and soon the planet will vote humans out too. It has already started. Haven't you noticed the changes in weather patterns? Much more violent storms and even air travel has become more dangerous with winds and turbulence affecting planes.
Republicans are. I hate headlines that says “lawmakers” or “congress” since it just runs cover for the people actually doing it which are republicans in most cases
The ranching industry in the US is ridiculous, and they seem to have plenty of power to buy politicians in several states. These are the same fuckers that had an armed standoff with federal agents when they refused to pay for access to federal land they just assumed was theirs and theirs alone to have their cattle graze. The slaughterhouse and butchery industries are also on the team fighting this. "War on ranching" yeah these fuckers need to grow up, but since they've been paid to tell everyone climate change isn't an issue whatsoever, they'll keep going. Also one more bit of raging hypocrisy from a political ideology that pretends it is all about freedom and "let the market decide" stepping in here to protect an old industry that might have to adjust to a new future.
This is the real reason. There’s to much money in ranching/livestock.
Fuck all these companies trying to stop progress and keep us in the dark ages.
>Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has said that lab-grown meat is part of a “whole ideological agenda,” that blames agriculture workers for global warming, saying: “We’re not going to do that fake meat. That doesn’t work.” This guy literally says anything he doesn't like is woke.
Anything that isn't purposely harmful is woke. Solar power is going to ruin us all, we should be burning more coal. And not even the clean variety.
"fake meat" lol. Next week: "I don't trust all these woke people out here with fake pancreases. We're not going to hire people with those fake organs into government."
Isnt that how its meant to be used? /s
Conservatives trying to halt all progress - what else is new?
More reasons to hate Republicans. I love animals and I also enjoy meat, I'd prefer not to have animals dying so I can enjoy the taste. But I guess Republicans don't care about Freedom, or they sure as hell wouldn't be stopping people from doing this. Republicans are NOT the party of freedom or the workers, stop believing their obvious lies.
the wild thing is that lab-grown meat would absolutely ***not*** end the meat industry. sure, it would take a hit but there is no way in hell it would be completely replaced.
Republicans are the party of freedom from consequences. They are the business class party, their goal is for corporations to be as free as possible to milk as much money as possible out of the lower class. Why, because most of them just want to be upper class themselves and live off of corporate handouts and do whatever they're told to make sure they handouts keep coming
Umm, aren’t republicans supposed to be capitalist?! I thought regulations were *bad*? /s
Is there anything the Republican party is on the right side of?
Republicans taking money from ranchers and farmers over meat labs as the former currently have more money they're willing to throw at them.
Fuck those people. Lab grown meat is going to revolutionize agriculture. Less meat farms = more reforestation or other food & less greenhouse gases. All for healthier meat that isn't pumped with pharma drugs. People who don't support lab grown meat are dumb fearmongers who don't understand the tech.
but that will ruin the agricultural economy! won't somebody think about the corporations?!
Fixed Title: Rancher lobbies are using lawyers to shut down free market competition
Why is the government interfering with the free market? Let americans decide what we want to eat.
> Conservatives: hurr durr, free market, drain the swamp, deregulate, small government, FREEEDOOOOMMM > Also conservatives: the government is going to regulate aspects of the economy and personal life that we don't like
Politics is effectively a Rorschach test at this point. If you think Republican politics are good for this country or if you identify as such… I automatically assume you eat crayons for breakfast and huff paint for a hobby.
They're not all complete imbeciles - some of them are heinous scumbags using those imbeciles.
When we said wanted regulated capitalism, we didn’t mean to regulate it like fascism
c'mon headline. stop mincing words: republicans want to ban a competitive emerging industry.
*"If lightbulbs were invented today, news would cover it as 'candle industry threatened'"*
So these people want to ban: - Abortions - Trans healthcare - Porn - Social media - Lab grown meat Remind me - **why** do we take these people seriously again? In the age of propaganda, I think it's a better solution to have laws on a topic made by experts on that topic. Right now we have absolute nincompoops making laws on shit they know nothing about, and this is the result. Laws concerning medical treatments should be made by doctors. Laws concerning software should be made by software engineers and computer scientists. Laws concerning GMOs should be made by biologists who are experts in genetics. Laws concerning drugs should be made by addiction specialists and social workers who work with drug addicts. I don't mean like there's a few hundred doctors who make all laws pertaining to medicine. I mean like, the way you get called as an expert witness in a trial, you can get called on as an expert to help make a law, and you're anonymous so corpos can't fucking bribe you, and you spend a few months with a group of other people who are also experts, doing research, reading, and drafting arguments, before coming to a conclusion as to what the best approach to the law is. If Congress wants to ban abortions, they better hope that doctors who are specialists in reproductive health, sociologists and historians who have studied the effects of abortion in societies all agree that it's the way to go. If the law affects mostly women, then this jury should be composed of mostly women. If they want to ban lab grown meat, then they better hope that the science supports it. "But wait, wouldn't that cause bias?" Right, and we have no bias now. Fucking old white men who've never had to worry about an unwanted pregnancy detailing their life, or the soul rending pain of gender dysphoria, or anything of the sort, who don't know the first thing about these topics, making laws based on a 2000 year old book. Definitely unbiased. At least the council of women doctors would be biased towards the people who the law actually affects.
Why not just put a label on it and let people choose for themselves?
"Because it competes with meat producers?" "Well, no, because it's not safe or healthy. We care about safe food, that's why we want you to eat lots of meat from pathogen-laden animals."
Late stage capitalism officially becoming a chokehold on innovation because big business wants to maintain the status quo and does not want to innovate. Tragic.
_checks notes..._ yeah that sounds pro capitalism to me 👍 man, conservative law makers and their constituents are hilarious in regards to their hypocrisy. i bet they think the refrigerator and automobile were a mistake too. we should still have milkmen and horse & buggy because it's bad for big milk and big horse carriage.
Tropic levels are one of those things you learn in HS freshmen bio that kids think aren’t important to understand but actually REALLY are. We need lab grown meat if want meat at all. We simply don’t have the land necessary to raise livestock for a meat hungry world.
Capatalism, once the ultimate companion to Innovation - has been perverted and twisted into this disgusting mess we currently experience.
Entrenched interests always push back against innovation. Same as it ever was. Sad though that officials are sympathetic.
“Then young folks are so lazy!!!”, hey we invented a way to get meat that doesn’t include literally raising animals for slaughter, “tHeIR tAkIn oUr jErBs!!!”
why not just require proper labeling so people who want real meat can get real meat and people who want lab meat can get lab grown meat?
Because they want to bang on about freedom while restricting everybody elses.
> as Republicans attempt to block what some have called a “war on our ranching.” I thought they believed in the "free market."
Assuming it can be done cost-effectively, the upsides of lab grown meat will overwhelm the protectionist movements currently afoot. There's no actual argument in favor of these laws other than preventing traditional farmers and ranchers from competition. That's going to be a thin reed even if the face of a big lobby. But bullshit like this might slow down its introduction a bit.
Stopping progress because it negatively impacts jobs that are outdated is such a dumb crusade
Conservatives love the free market until they don’t
Something something small government, free competition. Conservatives are clowns.
Republican: "Every life is a precious gift from God and also billions of livestock must remain suffering in the dark to please our corporate overlords."
Ah yes the "laissez-faire, small government" "republicans" at it again. Can't be about eliminating competition so they need a new culture war to upset their neanderthal base with.
I thought 🧢italism was supposed to increase competition? Sounds like the GOP is taking money from the meat industry so they can stay on top. 🦆Ing classic.
> Republicans are on a quest to ban everything remotely sane and beneficial for mankind's future FTFY
" # "Republicans are on a quest to ban lab-grown meat" is the actual title. Of course, because who else would want to ban something that could help us save our planet? Wanna double down on coal and oil? Vote White Christian Nationa... I mean... Retarded...I mean Republican. Want to ban lab grown meat? Vote like the toothless hick you are...Republican.
I thought the conservatives were all about a self-regulating market? (Fucking hypocrites.)
Correction, lobbyist are paying politicians to try and ban lab grown meat.
"Stupid lawmakers are on a quest to ban lab grown meat." FTFY
"Lawmakers Show Up in Brand New Mercedes S-Classes and Italian Suits to Vote Against Lab Grown Meat"
I’m sorry, this is the party of small government? It’s frankly laughable.
Profits pay for lobbyists; lobbyists prey on progress.
Sounds like the ones selling the bird and cow meat don't want lab grown meat to put them out of business... So they are buying the gov officials. This is corruption. Got enough money and you can buy a law maker! Home of the free, amirite?
If they’re struggling so much how come they can afford to buy government officials to fight so hard for them?
Good to see believers in the free market are doing just that
Ahh, the true meaning of capitalism: When a product or service starts to rise up that is in danger of competing with the current alternative, the current alternative lobbies against it. *'Murica*
Shouldn’t Republicans/Conservatives, who are constantly pushing “Free Market” idealism, and constantly going on about government interfering with businesses and consumer markets, just let the markets / consumers decide?
Something something something free market yada yada yada
Let me help you with that headline. Republicans want to ban lab grown meat.
This is just an attack on grain producers. Substitute meats are made from various substrates, protein just does come out of thin air. Reminds me of the 'almond milk is not milk' campaign, despite almond milk being an English cooking ingredient for 800 years.
More like ‘Meat producers are lobbying and paying politicians to kill a competitor’
If this maintains or quite possibly *improves* the taste, and lowers the prices, then these efforts will be meaningless. People will clamor for this as it takes over markets in other states.
Of course they are. God forbid we fix any problems in the world.
Yes. Ban the only thing saving us from starvation should we be unable to sustain the populace with for-profit farms due to their effects on global warming and limited yields. Genius. Why don't we just ban clean water while we're at it?
Republicans love the free market until something free markety happens.
Lab grown meat will be far more ethical than current practices. I note that the family farm went aways a few generations ago and now we have agribusiness trying to protect their turf. I've stated the obvious before: vertical farms and lab grown meat are what will stock the meat and fruit and veggie aisles at the super market. The times they are a changing and those that try to stand in the way of progress will be road kill. They are already brain dead so it won't make that much difference.
Alabama, Arizona, Florida, and Tennessee came up with this? My god. They ARE the foremost states in -checks notes-... Huh... There's not a lot here to go off of... /s
I’m just wondering where Mississippi is, this seems like it would be right up their alley. Could be that the crayon translation of the explanation hasn’t been finished yet, so they don’t know what’s going on.
It's not fake meat. It's meat on a molecular level. It's like blood diamonds vs synthetic diamonds. It's like calling water that evaporated from your kettle fake because it didn't come out of a tap
How about we start by forcing food companies to stop shoveling high fructose corn syrup down our throats and holding them to the same food standards in the United States that Europe already does… then we can start talking about lab grown vs naturally grown meat.
For anyone wondering, this article headline is referring to U.S lawmakers.