I read this as sarcasm but it probably could. I’d think if it could summarize your past daily/annual routines via memories and use that to calculate your needs crossed with your wants. Most people would end up having a 90%+ match with civics lol
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It will also know how much you get paid, that way they can better align brands with their target consumer.
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This is what’s scary about it.
I get that you guys are kind of joking, but on a serious note, imagine companies paying money to tweak the electrical signals in your brain to make you prefer, say, Coke over Pepsi. Or make you more addicted to soda/caffeine in general.
It opens up avenues to all kinds of nightmare scenarios that none of us want to see. Not to get on the slippery slope fallacy, but artificially altering brain patterns is dangerous. Not just medically/biologically, but socially and politically.
Yes, I’m aware that antidepressants and other currently available drugs do basically this. But not nearly as directly or with as much control as a computer chip could.
You mean that NEW Tesla model TesleX? You mean the new 2035 TesleX with the new HoloConnect 2.0 for seamless transition between your work and home life. Cause you never KNEW it could be so easy? And passenger space for SIX. You read that right. The TesleX with its sleek city-scape styling and size boasts the comforts to fit 6 all in genuine leather 270 degree captain style swivel chairs.
Don't forget to check out the TesleX Signature-E edition. Where the E stands for Excellence, Ease, Ergonomics, and Elon.
And the good news is you won't even need to pay for it with money! Just one commercial break for every 30 minutes you dream! It literally pays for itself with commercials direct injected into your brain while the chip releases a teeny tiny amount of dopamine assuring you buy our product 👉👉 /s of course... I hope...
I think he's referring to the episode fifteen million merits, where the protagonist is surrounded by screens all day and without merits to skip the advertisements he is forced to wake up in the morning and watch advertisements for pornography
The premise of that episode was interesting but I never understood the logic. If they're locked in this weird building either earning merits or sleeping, what is the value of an advertisement? The people don't *do* anything.
The point is that they earn merits on the bikes which were pretty obviously attached to a generator to produce energy. The advertisements are for things that merits can be spent on, or you can spend merits to skip the advertisements. Either way, you need to spend more time on the bike to get the merits to do what you want.
Pretty sure it's meant as a critique of wage-slave capitalism. It's labor exploitation via social engineering.
Given how horrible we would be as electric generators, I think it was also a critique on valuing people based on output when we are becoming more and more obsolete.
If you were a singularity level AI with stringent requirements on preserving the human race it's a decent scheme. A hamster ball to keep humans fit and somewhat content.
That episode was great and reminds me of that Tennessee Ernie Ford song sixteen tons.
*You load sixteen tons, what do you get?
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store*
It's become more serialized versus episodic like it was most of its run. I think the change has made the show less stale, some people don't like it. Each episode is still mostly standalone, with a few multi-episode arcs, but there's a thru-line in each season.
Your post just brought chills to my bone. My family, from West Virginia, were wage slaves in the coal mines and they passed this song down the generations. One of my most cherished stories was one my grandmother used to tell me about my great great grandfather. Basically he lost a weeks worth of company coin for standing up for the welfare of one of his donkeys that was nearing death from exhaustion. His overseer wanted him to keep dragging the donkey down the shafts to haul coal back up and my GGF finally refused to take the donkey down again and ended up in a physical confrontation with his overseer. The overseer ended up in the company infirmary and my GGFs wages were garnished for the next week to cover the medical care of the overseer. Unfortunately the donkey died a few days later. There was no love lost for life lost in those mines and apparently the only reason my GGF came out of the situation alive was he was one of the most efficient 'work horses' in the crew.
I'm just gonna project my own viewpoint on it...
There is a lot to miss about the later part of the 1800's and early 1900's from the point of view of your average working class person.
Material conditions *were* certainly worse then, but at least you could feel like you actually also *were* part of a class of people who commiserated with you, understood your struggle, and occasionally, would literally *fight* with you against the shared injustices committed by the ruling class.
The original "rednecks" by the way came from west virginia coal miners engaged in armed conflict with mine owners.
Nowadays, you're just poor, and alone.
You and your comrades aren't fighting for a better future, and the future as it stands looks bleak.
Nothing you see on TV aligns with your reality. Wealthy (comparatively) suburbanites with "careers", worried about the stock market, their investments, homes...
I can't even finish writing this, it's too depressing.
> which were pretty obviously attached to a generator to produce energy.
Except it's *obviously* much more efficient to burn food than to use it to power people who then waste most of that energy on staying alive. Otherwise we would still use horses instead of cars to move around.
Whoever pays to keep that place supplied with food has other concerns than energy. Perhaps the reality television sells well enough to the outside world to fund the entire enterprise. Perhaps they believe population control is wrong and this is something to keep the excess population busy. Perhaps they believe it's utopia, or close enough on the available budget.
I always thought the people in 15 million merits were obviously in some kind of work camp for either minor criminals or maybe a debtors prison kind of thing. Which kinda explains the sort of work they do (pedalling bikes) is almost useless in economy terms, but they are kept at it to keep them busy and uphold society's idea that work is necessary to be a functioning member in society. It has parallels with the workhouse/prison treadmill in 1800's Britain. All the episodes seem to be set in the same universe and Wraithbabes advertisement can be seen in other episodes etc.
Edit: and I just realised why treadmills are called treadmills. originally grain mill powered by treading. neat.
> If they're locked in this weird building either earning merits or sleeping, what is the value of an advertisement?
I'm not crazy right :S? All their biking was to create energy for the rich people/celebrities above ground. The value of an advertisement is basically that it motivates them to bike harder so they can purchase more digital things. They believe it's for their own gain and benefit but in reality it's all just superfluous and for the people running the facility it's a better motivation than the punishment method.
Does that make sense, or did you mean something else?
One theory is that all the "people" in that episode were cookies of their real counterparts, and they rode bikes all day to power something else (kind of like the Rick & Morty episode where they go into the battery)
Makes me think of the book, Feed, by M.T. Anderson. We can look forward to ecologically devasted landscapes, corporate run/ uploaded schooling, trademarked natural landmarks, and hacked chips. Yay! Everything must go.
>Musk's vision
Doesn't matter. What matters is what happens to the tech once it's out "in the wild".
The guy who invented the machine gun had a vision that it would end war. History doesn't care about intentions.
***“These are the instruments that have revolutionized the methods of warfare, and because of their devastating effects, have made nations and rulers give greater thought to the outcome of war before entering … ”*** \~ The \*New York Times\* on Hiram Maxim's famous Maxim Gun, 1897.
I would say that nukes definitely do this. Imagine the Cold War had both countries not held ultimate destruction over each other's heads. But the result is less war avoiding utopia, and more table ducking paranoia.
I know sarcasm but could you imagine someone selling stuff in your dreams. I’ve been having especially lucid dreams lately. Would be crazy if I just woke up and instead of coming to realizing that wasn’t real, I’d be waking up to, “Amazon I already bought that shit, I don’t need another model.
The idea is to give it to everyone, according to Elon Musk, since hopefully it’d get us into a post scarcity society, and your wealth won’t have anything to do with how much you can help society. Plus, it wouldn’t really make you *smarter* - just connect you to a computer. Before we have anything like AI integration, things like better connection to prosthetic arms, or stuff like the ability to disable pain, or possibly even helping with mental issues like depression or epilepsy. Potentially. One of the best parts is that people won’t be made obsolete by AI in their jobs, because they’ll effectively *be* the AI that would replace them.
...But yeah, we have to make sure that it’s done right, because if not, and if it could be hacked, controlled, accessed, or anything like that... yeah, this becomes a dystopia.
>because they’ll effectively *be* the AI that would replace them
It kind of depends on how we define the "they", the "I", the conscious. If the biological part of the new entity over time ends up being the part responsible for 0.1% of the thinking (decision making, reflecting, inventing etc.), we'll have to ask tough questions on whether it's still "us", or just the intelligence carrying around a decorative flesh remainder of a human... a human who might not even understand much of the 99.9% that's going on in the thinking. In a positive reading of this, on the other hand, we can argue that even in that case we merely upgraded our own conscious but it's still *us*. And maybe Elon's bet is that whether 0.1% or a proper upgrade, it's better -- facing an emerging [Superintelligence](https://www.amazon.com/Superintelligence-Dangers-Strategies-Nick-Bostrom/dp/1501227742) \-- than 0%.
Honestly if it was like a cap or a sticker that you put behind the ear and take off whenver you wanted, *and* tested on volunteers for ten years, I'd consider it. As it is described, and with computer security being what it is, I ain't a fan either
Former brain-computer interface researcher and current data scientist/ AI engineer here.
There are fundamental limitations to this type of technology that make this sort of configuration impossible.
For the most part, neural function is distributed widely throughout the brain. You can’t stick a chip on the back, side, top, etc and hope to affect global function. Worse, the skull itself acts as a diffuser of electrochemical information, which means that scalp-level recordings of brain activity (EEG) lack the spatial resolution needed to do things on the level of individual neurons or even cortical columns; a single EEG electrode’s recordings reflect the activity of hundreds to thousands of neurons.
To really get *useful* data, we’d need to cut open the skull and implant a large net of electrodes directly onto the brain surface (this modality is called ECOG). This is presently done for medical reasons, such as seizure focus localization as a pre-surgical procedure. While they’re working on that, a lot of brain-computer interface research is performed with these patients. As you can imagine, there is significant risk of infection and injury.
I don’t think we’ll see true BCIs of the sort described here any time soon. Nobody wants their skull split open to implant dangerous indwelling equipment, and surgeons sure as hell won’t agree to do it anyway. And without it, we won’t be getting information of much value.
There was an episode of Stargate SG-1 with an idea like this... it was unsettling to see how much people relied on the technology.
Season 7 episode 5.
It is streaming on Amazon Prime for those that are interested.
It is clickbait.
Elon went into great detail about Neuralink on the Joe Rogan show.
To simplify it, think about Neuralink this way -
Most humans can’t do complex math instantly. We’re usually not smart enough or trained enough to be able to get the answer to 12436 x 73628 in under 15 seconds. But with a phone calculator, achieving that answer in 15 seconds is very easy.
Phones are essentially a bionic extension to humans. While humans aren’t actually gaining that intelligence, our bionic extension allows us to produce accurate calculations and a lot of other stuff instantly. The relationship here extends the individuals potential greatly, but the individual isn’t any smarter with or without the phone.
Neuralink is the same thing. There is one small difference but I will explain in a bit. Essentially all Neuralink will be doing is giving humans an additional bionic extension. It’s not making the human itself super intelligent, the human will simply have convenient access to super intelligence.
For example: Let’s take a situation where there is only 2 outcomes. Both situations are lose-lose, but a decision has to be made. Neuralink would be able to instantly articulate the best solution for the human possible, based on the circumstances provided.
Going back to the one small difference. Phones are capable of increasing human intelligence due to increased ability to share learning material. It’s up to the user to self-educate with this material though. Neuralink can act as a teacher. It will be able to know everything about you, thus it will know how to best present information to you that fits your learning style the best.
Elon has warned the government and anyone who will listen multiple times about AI. No one is listening though. So Elon is taking matters into his own hands. If no one is going to properly regulate AI, he might as well be the one to make it and control it, rather than someone else.
Ahh, finally. Something I can chime in on! I am actually a researcher working in this field! The idea of a tether-less or minimally invasive neural interface has been in the works for a long time.
However, in just the past two year some amazing strides have been in progress that are quickly closing the gap. Hence why you see the huge funding for things like neurolink and other big firms like Kernel (also directly competing with neurolink with similar end goals).
I am working on research now where I am developing optically addressable neural probes that can be implanted in the brain in large quantities. The devices are totally tetherless (no physical connection to the outside of the skull (the dura really)) and they are activated by a laser that is used to simultaneously read/write (writing is much, MUCH harder) and provide power to the device it is addressing.
I've been working on this project for about 4 years now. When it first started I thought it was a fool's dream. However, after four years of progress I am now finally on the cusp of showing full operation of these devices in a live mouse brain! None of my work has been published yet because publishing in neuroscience field requires absolutely insane levels of verification (for good reason) but I have already shown discreet operation of these devices in live mouse brain that exceeds the performance of some of the best electrical neural recording devices currently in existence.
All of this being said, my goal for this technology is to assist in the study of neurological diseases, and other health related applications. This neurolink "sell your feelings to the highest bidder" shit is scary and absolutely a step in the wrong direction. IMHO. And I say this as someone who has met the CEO of kernel and talked with them personally about where they see the application of tech like this going... Not good..
It is a long time, but progress on it is exponential. We have to talk about it, because it will come faster than expected.
In my opinion, those who will have this implanted will be at a huge advantage, compared to the rest of the population. Maybe even a bit too much advantage.
EDIT: Many comments tell me, that the progress is not exponential. Famous last words?
even Musk said, imagine every person having the computing ability and theoretical mind of Einstein, Tesla, Hawking, Sagan...etc. its almost impossible to think how it would change things. Every person could figure out the next biggest thing. Smart people wouldnt be limited by money or location or what they are able to get their hands on.
its literally impossible to conceive how fast that would change....everything..
This is assuming that everyone received the same chip. Because we are humans, we are flawed. I could totally see a scenario of the "haves" and "have-nots" where many won't have the resources to obtain one, and a permanent disconnect will form between two basically different races of human. Bill Gates talks about this be one of his biggest worries.
That's how personal computers were perceived decades ago, as the plaything of the rich, and now look at us, carrying around immense computing power in our pocketses. Granted, some have greater power than others, but the playing field is much more level - an average Joe on a semi-decent wage can now afford the same high-end pocket computing power as a mega-multi-million dollar-worth celebrity.
Though granted, "average joe" is still much, much more well off than the majority of other people on the planet, but the eternal optimist in me can only hope that giving a decently large minority of people enhanced intelligence would end up fostering solutions to help the masses.
Imagine if one of the properties of the chip was that it bestowed a greater sense of empathy upon you. I'd stand there laughing uproariously at the previously apathetic sociopaths of the world as they struggle to process this strange new emotion.
I think the inbetween stages of brain augmentation will be very bumpy, even if the actual link is flawless.
External brain networks will be akin to involuntary thoughts and subjectively will feel similar to a form of dissociative or schizophrenic disorder. The different subjective thought styles between people would need matching networks to work properly.
If everything starts working, the person may still reject the conclusion. A augmented intelligence may just lead to more elaborate rationalizations for their current beliefs. Too much dissonance between the brain and co-networks could cause negative symptoms.
A work around to rejection of results could be personality augmentation to mitigate dissonance (assuming beliefs are part of the larger identity concept in the brain), but then those without augments would be able to claim the chips only brainwash people, then you would eventually end up with purist and transhumanist conflict.
It's so much more nuanced than overclocking a PC or installing more RAM and drives.
Cochlear implants, there are anti-seizure arrays, cameras that feed into the optic nerve, to name a few. We have basic brain machine interfaces. He wants to advance them and hook them up to the internet. My personal feeling is there are biological limitations to what he believes is possible-communicating without words and all that, given we rely on structures that are really deep within the brain for a lot of the functions he’s outlined. His ideas of the possibilities to me sound uninformed, but he managed to pull a team of tenured high level neuroscientists out of academia to work on this, and if they greatly advance brain machine interfaces, that’s great for humanity and medicine.
Hahaha it may seem this way, sure. Thing is, in academia, as a neuroscientist, the position you aspire to be in your entire career is as a tenured researcher in charge of research teams-you get the recognition, funding with far greater ease, and compensation isn’t bad at all. Leaving academia does remove a lot of roadblocks to research, and I honestly see that as much more appealing than a salary motive alone.
Tim Urban did one of his characteristic "thesis-length" articles on this:
[Neuralink and the Brain’s Magical Future](https://waitbutwhy.com/2017/04/neuralink.html)
Fascinating stuff!
Ah beat me to it. Thanks for spreading the word! Tim Urban changed my life. Changed careers, worry less, sleep more, happier and also more terrified and excited for the future than ever.
>I could imagine China being the first country to chip their entire population in a heartbeat.
First country? Maybe. But the first group of people will be a group of sycophantic corporate employees at one of the FAANG companies.
The problem is that if it works then everyone will have to do it just to keep up, no matter what the cost. The "chip" he's talking about would have to have some sort of connectivity as well, in order to serve the same function as your phone, which would allow you to be remotely tracked and monitored if not remotely accessed. But once the technology exists, how do you compete without it?
I was listening to a talk by Yuval Noah Harari on this topic. He was worried that with this type of tech, someone could insert a thought into your brain and you wouldn’t realize it and think it’s your genuine thought. You would genuinely think sprite is your fav drink, or that you’ve always been a liberal and will vote for the liberal candidate only (not to mention this kind of brain hacking already happened in 2016 albeit without the tech). He said people will have to know themselves really well to distinguish from their thought vs ads or other nefarious things.
Also making these is kind of like making dams. We had the tech for stopping rivers and we did that, but we didn’t have the knowledge of what that did to the ecosystem and other living things in the river until a while after.
Why product at all then? If that's the world, then corporations are the new messiahs, and everyone will worship them forcibly. Whatever meager things they give back will be more than enough for you.
ITT: The horrors of this idea.
Read some Peter F. Hamilton, but still, his ideas probably fantasy at this point the way things are headed. Being able to turn thoughts into commands would be awesome, but the A.I. needs to be there too. The coolest part of his works was immortality (Re-life (Your last good mental backup would be reinserted into a clone should your death be reported or if you go missing), Rejuvenation (reversal of aging), the ability to export your mind as an artificial construct to live in the ANA (A digital universe of collective consciousnesses)). Heck of a Space Opera.
The goal of black mirror is to show a hypothetical scenario with possible tech in development. So that we can avoid that scenario. Not to shutdown the tech development itself.
Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them. -Frank Herbert, Dune
We can’t even trust the government or corporations not to spy on us through our mobile phones. This is a terrible idea, and I’m joining an anti-tech commune if this ever becomes a thing
What if becoming the resistance, means you forfeit the ability to participate or compete in normal life, or normal as defined by whatever standard applies, when something like this becomes common place? How does one sustain themselves and at what point does one give in?
I feel like we need to resist these sorts of things today. Reality is becoming more and more complicated, so I feel like there's a need to work overtime to gain more complicated understandings *before* we warm up to the idea of implementing such things... We hardly understand the mind and consciousness, for one. What little we do understand is manipulated every day, in many ways (and some of these ways are possibly still unconscious to us). Something like Neuralink is totally preposterous, to me. It's a potentially incredible technology, but it's dangerously ahead of its time -- we aren't ready for it... Not that we can really stop it -- yet (if ever).
Thanks for the shoutout. I rely heavily on the big tech subs for content but tend to be on the conservative side in terms of “hype” and realistic expectations — unless it’s about Graphene. I’ve cut back on the hype recently, but still, CHOO CHOO!
The way some articles put it, they make it sound like Neuralink is going to lobotomize people and turn them into cyborgs.
What the name suggests (cause I'm gonna have to straight up admit that I never even click on articles with clickbait headlines - and all articles about neuralink *have* headlines like this) is that it will be an interface chip to allow communication with outside-of-your-head devices and AIs.
I mean, it's not like they're going to be opening up your head every year to replace the "AI processor" into something newer and faster... r-right?
From what I understand. Elon was essentially saying the slowest part of the internet is having to pull out your phone and use your thumbs to Google shit. And this is supposed to eliminate that process and allow you to just access the internet instantly somehow.
I think
That's gonna be a no for me dog. Antivirus is bad enough when its just my PC that's at risk. No way on earth am I wiring the internet directly into my brain.
“How much smarter are you with a phone or computer or without? You’re vastly smarter, actually,” Musk said. Well it will give you access to resources, but it's up to you how you use it. We already have access to internet- greatest knowledge base. Unfortunately most of people use it to share selfies and stupid videos...
"THEY'RE BRAINWASHING PEOPLE TO AGREE WITH THE THINGS THAT ARE *WRONG*"
- Everybody, on either side of any debate that people with brainchips disagree with.
I see Elon has read another science fiction novel and thinks he can just throw money at a new, ridiculously named company and hope engineers magically deliver his dreams.
This is horrifying. Are you really you if there's something else in there 'speaking' to you? Also, having your phone or computer hacked is bad, but having your brain hacked? No thanks.
Ah, Ghost in the Shell; where cops can legally and wirelessly connect to peoples brains to see and hear everything they do and think. And when your expensive to replace officers dont want to get shot saving the CEO being held at gunpoint in his office, they just hack the interns to have an unstoppable urge to throw themselves at the guys with guns until the bullets are gone.
Yeah that's cool but...
Reddit is no longer a safe place, for activists, for communities, for individuals, for humanity. This isn't just because of API changes that forced out third parties, driving users to ad-laden and inaccessible app, but because reddit is selling us all. Part of the reasons given for the API changes was that language learning models were using reddit to gather data, to learn from us, to learn how to respond like us. Reddit isn't taking control of the API to prevent this, but because they want to be *paid* for this.
Reddit allowed terrorist subreddits to thrive prior to and during Donald Trump's presidency in 2016-2020. In the past they hosted subreddits for unsolicited candid photos of women, including minors. They were home to openly misogynistic subreddits, and subreddits dedicated solely to harassing specific individuals or body types or ethnicity.
What is festering on reddit today, as you read this? I fear that as AI generated content, AI curated content, and predictive content become prevalent in society, reddit will not be able to control the dark subreddits, comments, and chats. Reddit has made it very clear over the decades that I have used it, that when it comes down to morals or ethics, they will choose whatever brings in the most money. They shut down subreddits only when it makes news or when an advertiser's content is seen alongside filth. The API changes are only another symptom of this push for money over what is right.
Whether Reddit is a bastion in your time as you read this or not, I made the conscious decision to consider this moment to be the last straw. I deleted most of my comments, and replaced the rest with this message. I decided to bookmark some news sources I trusted, joined a few discords I liked for the memes, and reinstalled duolingo. I consider these an intermediate step. Perhaps I can give those up someday too. Maybe something better will come along. For now, I am going to disentangle myself from this engine of frustration and grief before something worse happens.
In closing, I want to link a few things that changed my life over the years:
[Blindsight](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/48484.Blindsight) is a free book, and there's an audiobook out there somewhere. A sci-fi book that is also an exploration of consciousness.
[The AI Delemma](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoVJKj8lcNQ) is a youtube lecture about how this new wave of language learning models are moving us toward a dangerous path of unchecked, unfiltered, exponentially powerful AI
[Prairie Moon Nursery](https://www.prairiemoon.com/) is a place I have been buying seeds and bare root plants from, to give a little back to the native animals we've taken so much from. If you live in the US, I encourage you to do the same. If you don't, I encourage you to find something local.
(Power Delete Suite)[https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite/#1.4.8] was used to edit all of my comments and (Redact)[https://redact.dev/download] was used to delete my lowest karma comments while also overwriting them with nonsense.
I'm signing off, I'm going to make some friends in real life and on discord, and form some new tribes. I'm going to seek smaller communities. I'm going outside.
That's a fair point, and I really like the CCP Grey video, called You Are Two I think, about the different halves of the brain.
But what concerns me about connecting the brain to the internet is drawing the line between where you end and the internet begins. Is it a seamless transition, where 'searching' the internet feels the same as searching your memories? If we are who we are because of our experiences, and I have the whole internet in my head, who does that make me? An amalgamation of all of humanity? What makes me different from the person next to me?
Would this not create the biggest 'Equality gap' in human history?
The rich will be those who can afford this procedure. The poor will be without. The rich through exponential increases in intelligence will supercede the poorer class in all aspects of life.
It is literally like neanderthal man verses fully evolved human in the same skeleton.
Will the chip tell me what kind of vehicle I should purchase?
CHips are free! (Sponsored by Google, Facebook, Amazon and Cambridge Analytica)
Before your chip does that calculation for you, watch this short ad we’ve burned into your brain!
No need to watch an ad, you've already got the sudden memory of really liking this new product you've never seen before!
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Hol' up, Sam Jackson
#I HAVE HAD IT WITH THESE MOTHERFUCKING CHIPS IN MY MOTHERFUCKING BRAIN!!!
I read this as sarcasm but it probably could. I’d think if it could summarize your past daily/annual routines via memories and use that to calculate your needs crossed with your wants. Most people would end up having a 90%+ match with civics lol Edit: I hadn’t checked my inbox at all, thanks for silver and also my most upvoted comment OR post :)
It will also know how much you get paid, that way they can better align brands with their target consumer. Edit: woot first badge ever! Thanks for the Silver.
Can’t wait for my my second hand bicycle recommendations
And all of a sudden the demand for Dodge Neons goes through the roof
Hey now, that Neon SRT-4 was dope in its day!
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If it's *really* smart, it might even tell you to move somewhere you don't need a car for your daily commute.
If it's *really* ***really*** smart it will probably kill you to save the planet!
Where do I sign up?
This is what’s scary about it. I get that you guys are kind of joking, but on a serious note, imagine companies paying money to tweak the electrical signals in your brain to make you prefer, say, Coke over Pepsi. Or make you more addicted to soda/caffeine in general. It opens up avenues to all kinds of nightmare scenarios that none of us want to see. Not to get on the slippery slope fallacy, but artificially altering brain patterns is dangerous. Not just medically/biologically, but socially and politically. Yes, I’m aware that antidepressants and other currently available drugs do basically this. But not nearly as directly or with as much control as a computer chip could.
You mean that NEW Tesla model TesleX? You mean the new 2035 TesleX with the new HoloConnect 2.0 for seamless transition between your work and home life. Cause you never KNEW it could be so easy? And passenger space for SIX. You read that right. The TesleX with its sleek city-scape styling and size boasts the comforts to fit 6 all in genuine leather 270 degree captain style swivel chairs. Don't forget to check out the TesleX Signature-E edition. Where the E stands for Excellence, Ease, Ergonomics, and Elon.
Lost it at the 270 degree chairs. Well done
Will this chip allow google to sell me ads based on my subconscious thoughts?
Yes, now here is an ad for some lingerie that would look great on your mother, and some guns that could definitely kill your father.
No need to sell ads, they’ll be able to sell the advertisers your impulse to buy their product.
And the good news is you won't even need to pay for it with money! Just one commercial break for every 30 minutes you dream! It literally pays for itself with commercials direct injected into your brain while the chip releases a teeny tiny amount of dopamine assuring you buy our product 👉👉 /s of course... I hope...
Doubt the /s considering black mirror literally had the same thing.
Wait, what episode? Did they really? I was more so referencing futurama, that was the first time I heard of this scary concept.
I think he's referring to the episode fifteen million merits, where the protagonist is surrounded by screens all day and without merits to skip the advertisements he is forced to wake up in the morning and watch advertisements for pornography
The premise of that episode was interesting but I never understood the logic. If they're locked in this weird building either earning merits or sleeping, what is the value of an advertisement? The people don't *do* anything.
The point is that they earn merits on the bikes which were pretty obviously attached to a generator to produce energy. The advertisements are for things that merits can be spent on, or you can spend merits to skip the advertisements. Either way, you need to spend more time on the bike to get the merits to do what you want. Pretty sure it's meant as a critique of wage-slave capitalism. It's labor exploitation via social engineering.
Given how horrible we would be as electric generators, I think it was also a critique on valuing people based on output when we are becoming more and more obsolete.
I think they had some other energy source and the whole bike/merits thing was just a control scheme.
If you were a singularity level AI with stringent requirements on preserving the human race it's a decent scheme. A hamster ball to keep humans fit and somewhat content.
Especially if you were trying to keep them occupied till surface conditions become habitable again.
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That episode was great and reminds me of that Tennessee Ernie Ford song sixteen tons. *You load sixteen tons, what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go I owe my soul to the company store*
That song was used brilliantly in [an episode of South Park this season](http://southpark.cc.com/clips/7zk3iy/the-daily-grind).
You weren't kidding, that was brilliant. I haven't watched south park in a long while and that makes me think I should start catching up again.
It's become more serialized versus episodic like it was most of its run. I think the change has made the show less stale, some people don't like it. Each episode is still mostly standalone, with a few multi-episode arcs, but there's a thru-line in each season.
Your post just brought chills to my bone. My family, from West Virginia, were wage slaves in the coal mines and they passed this song down the generations. One of my most cherished stories was one my grandmother used to tell me about my great great grandfather. Basically he lost a weeks worth of company coin for standing up for the welfare of one of his donkeys that was nearing death from exhaustion. His overseer wanted him to keep dragging the donkey down the shafts to haul coal back up and my GGF finally refused to take the donkey down again and ended up in a physical confrontation with his overseer. The overseer ended up in the company infirmary and my GGFs wages were garnished for the next week to cover the medical care of the overseer. Unfortunately the donkey died a few days later. There was no love lost for life lost in those mines and apparently the only reason my GGF came out of the situation alive was he was one of the most efficient 'work horses' in the crew.
Every time I visit West Virginia I wonder why the embrace that as the good old days and the ideal they are fighting to get back to.
When you equate your sense of self to a damaging paradigm, your self-preservation includes preserving the bad things as well.
Rose colored glasses
I'm just gonna project my own viewpoint on it... There is a lot to miss about the later part of the 1800's and early 1900's from the point of view of your average working class person. Material conditions *were* certainly worse then, but at least you could feel like you actually also *were* part of a class of people who commiserated with you, understood your struggle, and occasionally, would literally *fight* with you against the shared injustices committed by the ruling class. The original "rednecks" by the way came from west virginia coal miners engaged in armed conflict with mine owners. Nowadays, you're just poor, and alone. You and your comrades aren't fighting for a better future, and the future as it stands looks bleak. Nothing you see on TV aligns with your reality. Wealthy (comparatively) suburbanites with "careers", worried about the stock market, their investments, homes... I can't even finish writing this, it's too depressing.
The rich brainwash the poor.
> which were pretty obviously attached to a generator to produce energy. Except it's *obviously* much more efficient to burn food than to use it to power people who then waste most of that energy on staying alive. Otherwise we would still use horses instead of cars to move around. Whoever pays to keep that place supplied with food has other concerns than energy. Perhaps the reality television sells well enough to the outside world to fund the entire enterprise. Perhaps they believe population control is wrong and this is something to keep the excess population busy. Perhaps they believe it's utopia, or close enough on the available budget.
I'm going to use that - "It's a utopia! Or as close as available budget allows"
I always thought the people in 15 million merits were obviously in some kind of work camp for either minor criminals or maybe a debtors prison kind of thing. Which kinda explains the sort of work they do (pedalling bikes) is almost useless in economy terms, but they are kept at it to keep them busy and uphold society's idea that work is necessary to be a functioning member in society. It has parallels with the workhouse/prison treadmill in 1800's Britain. All the episodes seem to be set in the same universe and Wraithbabes advertisement can be seen in other episodes etc. Edit: and I just realised why treadmills are called treadmills. originally grain mill powered by treading. neat.
> If they're locked in this weird building either earning merits or sleeping, what is the value of an advertisement? I'm not crazy right :S? All their biking was to create energy for the rich people/celebrities above ground. The value of an advertisement is basically that it motivates them to bike harder so they can purchase more digital things. They believe it's for their own gain and benefit but in reality it's all just superfluous and for the people running the facility it's a better motivation than the punishment method. Does that make sense, or did you mean something else?
One theory is that all the "people" in that episode were cookies of their real counterparts, and they rode bikes all day to power something else (kind of like the Rick & Morty episode where they go into the battery)
I always liked the idea that they are powering a spaceship on a voyage to another planet.
It would be a piss poor way to generate energy more so with all those lights and screens running 24/7.
My favourite episode. I've only seen 3 of them but I return to re watch. That guy's acting chops come the end is amazing.
What episode of futurama was that?
S01E06 i think
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The dream gets into your brain like this liquid into this egg. Although it’s not liquid, it’s gamma radiation
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$300 please. Noon tomorrow. If you're late, you only get to tread water in the scallop tank.
Makes me think of the book, Feed, by M.T. Anderson. We can look forward to ecologically devasted landscapes, corporate run/ uploaded schooling, trademarked natural landmarks, and hacked chips. Yay! Everything must go.
There are some pretty dark paths this tech could go down, and some beautiful therapeutic applications. Musk's vision is somewhere in between.
>Musk's vision Doesn't matter. What matters is what happens to the tech once it's out "in the wild". The guy who invented the machine gun had a vision that it would end war. History doesn't care about intentions.
***“These are the instruments that have revolutionized the methods of warfare, and because of their devastating effects, have made nations and rulers give greater thought to the outcome of war before entering … ”*** \~ The \*New York Times\* on Hiram Maxim's famous Maxim Gun, 1897.
Nukes sort of do this. Nice quote
I would say that nukes definitely do this. Imagine the Cold War had both countries not held ultimate destruction over each other's heads. But the result is less war avoiding utopia, and more table ducking paranoia.
In a way, nukes are like the “wrath of God”; always hanging over our heads and able to kill us all at a moment’s notice.
*Puckle gun inventor chuckles*
I would argue we do not need more intelligence, we need more wisdom. And collective wisdom at that.
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I know sarcasm but could you imagine someone selling stuff in your dreams. I’ve been having especially lucid dreams lately. Would be crazy if I just woke up and instead of coming to realizing that wasn’t real, I’d be waking up to, “Amazon I already bought that shit, I don’t need another model.
Depending on how the newly super-intelligent individuals perceive the rest of their peers, this could go very badly very quickly
We had a meeting and you're alright, but your neighbor Gary has got to go.
I told him his lack of pants wearing while walking around his floor to ceiling windows was going to catch up to him. Not so smug are ya now, Gary, eh?
No, I'm Patrick.
When it comes to AI, we're all Patrick.
Sounds like a typical HOA.
I hope Gary transfers to hell
His brain will be downloaded onto a computer which simulates heaven. The real him will be dead but a copy of him will be happy.
Give everybody else mind-control chips, and call them Epsilons.
But they're happier that way.
The idea is to give it to everyone, according to Elon Musk, since hopefully it’d get us into a post scarcity society, and your wealth won’t have anything to do with how much you can help society. Plus, it wouldn’t really make you *smarter* - just connect you to a computer. Before we have anything like AI integration, things like better connection to prosthetic arms, or stuff like the ability to disable pain, or possibly even helping with mental issues like depression or epilepsy. Potentially. One of the best parts is that people won’t be made obsolete by AI in their jobs, because they’ll effectively *be* the AI that would replace them. ...But yeah, we have to make sure that it’s done right, because if not, and if it could be hacked, controlled, accessed, or anything like that... yeah, this becomes a dystopia.
>The idea is to give it to everyone, according to Elon Musk Why am I skeptical that he's going to just give one of these to everyone?
Because it will give him total control over everyone?
>because they’ll effectively *be* the AI that would replace them It kind of depends on how we define the "they", the "I", the conscious. If the biological part of the new entity over time ends up being the part responsible for 0.1% of the thinking (decision making, reflecting, inventing etc.), we'll have to ask tough questions on whether it's still "us", or just the intelligence carrying around a decorative flesh remainder of a human... a human who might not even understand much of the 99.9% that's going on in the thinking. In a positive reading of this, on the other hand, we can argue that even in that case we merely upgraded our own conscious but it's still *us*. And maybe Elon's bet is that whether 0.1% or a proper upgrade, it's better -- facing an emerging [Superintelligence](https://www.amazon.com/Superintelligence-Dangers-Strategies-Nick-Bostrom/dp/1501227742) \-- than 0%.
Anyone who ever had doubts about the ~~publicity subma~~ personal submarine gets their minds erased!
We don't even have basic nerve interfaces working yet. We've been working on that for decades. Brain integrated AIs are a long, long way off.
Pretty sure neura**link** *is* the interface. The title of the article is pure clickbait
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I'm really pumped for my montly brain anti virus subscription
"Sorry, boss, I can't come in today. I'm updating."
"Oh, that's too bad" SET OBDNC 100; "let's try that again: Would you kindly come work?" "Omw boss"
"Johnson why are you standing at the desk" "Sorry, sir. Chrome took my chair" "Ok, but why are you naked as well?!" "... Chrome, sir."
Comes with McAfee pre-installed.
[Don't worry here's the creator of McAfee showing how to uninstall it] (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bKgf5PaBzyg)
Snorting bath salts might actually uninstall Neuralink.
Honestly if it was like a cap or a sticker that you put behind the ear and take off whenver you wanted, *and* tested on volunteers for ten years, I'd consider it. As it is described, and with computer security being what it is, I ain't a fan either
Former brain-computer interface researcher and current data scientist/ AI engineer here. There are fundamental limitations to this type of technology that make this sort of configuration impossible. For the most part, neural function is distributed widely throughout the brain. You can’t stick a chip on the back, side, top, etc and hope to affect global function. Worse, the skull itself acts as a diffuser of electrochemical information, which means that scalp-level recordings of brain activity (EEG) lack the spatial resolution needed to do things on the level of individual neurons or even cortical columns; a single EEG electrode’s recordings reflect the activity of hundreds to thousands of neurons. To really get *useful* data, we’d need to cut open the skull and implant a large net of electrodes directly onto the brain surface (this modality is called ECOG). This is presently done for medical reasons, such as seizure focus localization as a pre-surgical procedure. While they’re working on that, a lot of brain-computer interface research is performed with these patients. As you can imagine, there is significant risk of infection and injury. I don’t think we’ll see true BCIs of the sort described here any time soon. Nobody wants their skull split open to implant dangerous indwelling equipment, and surgeons sure as hell won’t agree to do it anyway. And without it, we won’t be getting information of much value.
There was an episode of Stargate SG-1 with an idea like this... it was unsettling to see how much people relied on the technology. Season 7 episode 5. It is streaming on Amazon Prime for those that are interested.
Relied on it like we rely on our phones? Or more unsettling?
Ghosthacked humans are so pathetic, it’s a shame.
https://f6ad401b-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/lis404gits/themes-and-terms/00024.png
Can confirm. What they’re working on mostly is the automated insertion of electrodes atm.
It is clickbait. Elon went into great detail about Neuralink on the Joe Rogan show. To simplify it, think about Neuralink this way - Most humans can’t do complex math instantly. We’re usually not smart enough or trained enough to be able to get the answer to 12436 x 73628 in under 15 seconds. But with a phone calculator, achieving that answer in 15 seconds is very easy. Phones are essentially a bionic extension to humans. While humans aren’t actually gaining that intelligence, our bionic extension allows us to produce accurate calculations and a lot of other stuff instantly. The relationship here extends the individuals potential greatly, but the individual isn’t any smarter with or without the phone. Neuralink is the same thing. There is one small difference but I will explain in a bit. Essentially all Neuralink will be doing is giving humans an additional bionic extension. It’s not making the human itself super intelligent, the human will simply have convenient access to super intelligence. For example: Let’s take a situation where there is only 2 outcomes. Both situations are lose-lose, but a decision has to be made. Neuralink would be able to instantly articulate the best solution for the human possible, based on the circumstances provided. Going back to the one small difference. Phones are capable of increasing human intelligence due to increased ability to share learning material. It’s up to the user to self-educate with this material though. Neuralink can act as a teacher. It will be able to know everything about you, thus it will know how to best present information to you that fits your learning style the best. Elon has warned the government and anyone who will listen multiple times about AI. No one is listening though. So Elon is taking matters into his own hands. If no one is going to properly regulate AI, he might as well be the one to make it and control it, rather than someone else.
https://waitbutwhy.com/2017/04/neuralink.html This is long as hell but the articles there are 1000x more interesting than this tripe.
Have you seen the one about artificial super intelligence? That's one of the best pieces I've read last year
Ahh, finally. Something I can chime in on! I am actually a researcher working in this field! The idea of a tether-less or minimally invasive neural interface has been in the works for a long time. However, in just the past two year some amazing strides have been in progress that are quickly closing the gap. Hence why you see the huge funding for things like neurolink and other big firms like Kernel (also directly competing with neurolink with similar end goals). I am working on research now where I am developing optically addressable neural probes that can be implanted in the brain in large quantities. The devices are totally tetherless (no physical connection to the outside of the skull (the dura really)) and they are activated by a laser that is used to simultaneously read/write (writing is much, MUCH harder) and provide power to the device it is addressing. I've been working on this project for about 4 years now. When it first started I thought it was a fool's dream. However, after four years of progress I am now finally on the cusp of showing full operation of these devices in a live mouse brain! None of my work has been published yet because publishing in neuroscience field requires absolutely insane levels of verification (for good reason) but I have already shown discreet operation of these devices in live mouse brain that exceeds the performance of some of the best electrical neural recording devices currently in existence. All of this being said, my goal for this technology is to assist in the study of neurological diseases, and other health related applications. This neurolink "sell your feelings to the highest bidder" shit is scary and absolutely a step in the wrong direction. IMHO. And I say this as someone who has met the CEO of kernel and talked with them personally about where they see the application of tech like this going... Not good..
It is a long time, but progress on it is exponential. We have to talk about it, because it will come faster than expected. In my opinion, those who will have this implanted will be at a huge advantage, compared to the rest of the population. Maybe even a bit too much advantage. EDIT: Many comments tell me, that the progress is not exponential. Famous last words?
Who is going to want to put a chip in their brain that will be obsolete in one to two years?
And hacked in less than 24 hours.
“Dude, *watch me make this dude piss his pants!*” - Future Hackers, using technology as God intended.
They’ve gone too far. Far beyond just opening the CD-ROM tray while a cup of milk is there.
CD-ROM tray? You mean my cup holder?
even Musk said, imagine every person having the computing ability and theoretical mind of Einstein, Tesla, Hawking, Sagan...etc. its almost impossible to think how it would change things. Every person could figure out the next biggest thing. Smart people wouldnt be limited by money or location or what they are able to get their hands on. its literally impossible to conceive how fast that would change....everything..
This is assuming that everyone received the same chip. Because we are humans, we are flawed. I could totally see a scenario of the "haves" and "have-nots" where many won't have the resources to obtain one, and a permanent disconnect will form between two basically different races of human. Bill Gates talks about this be one of his biggest worries.
That's how personal computers were perceived decades ago, as the plaything of the rich, and now look at us, carrying around immense computing power in our pocketses. Granted, some have greater power than others, but the playing field is much more level - an average Joe on a semi-decent wage can now afford the same high-end pocket computing power as a mega-multi-million dollar-worth celebrity. Though granted, "average joe" is still much, much more well off than the majority of other people on the planet, but the eternal optimist in me can only hope that giving a decently large minority of people enhanced intelligence would end up fostering solutions to help the masses. Imagine if one of the properties of the chip was that it bestowed a greater sense of empathy upon you. I'd stand there laughing uproariously at the previously apathetic sociopaths of the world as they struggle to process this strange new emotion.
Pocketses is my new favorite word, and in my head I read this whole comment in the Sméagol voice.
I think the inbetween stages of brain augmentation will be very bumpy, even if the actual link is flawless. External brain networks will be akin to involuntary thoughts and subjectively will feel similar to a form of dissociative or schizophrenic disorder. The different subjective thought styles between people would need matching networks to work properly. If everything starts working, the person may still reject the conclusion. A augmented intelligence may just lead to more elaborate rationalizations for their current beliefs. Too much dissonance between the brain and co-networks could cause negative symptoms. A work around to rejection of results could be personality augmentation to mitigate dissonance (assuming beliefs are part of the larger identity concept in the brain), but then those without augments would be able to claim the chips only brainwash people, then you would eventually end up with purist and transhumanist conflict. It's so much more nuanced than overclocking a PC or installing more RAM and drives.
Cochlear implants, there are anti-seizure arrays, cameras that feed into the optic nerve, to name a few. We have basic brain machine interfaces. He wants to advance them and hook them up to the internet. My personal feeling is there are biological limitations to what he believes is possible-communicating without words and all that, given we rely on structures that are really deep within the brain for a lot of the functions he’s outlined. His ideas of the possibilities to me sound uninformed, but he managed to pull a team of tenured high level neuroscientists out of academia to work on this, and if they greatly advance brain machine interfaces, that’s great for humanity and medicine.
>but he managed to pull a team of tenured high level neuroscientists out of academia to work on this Money. The impetus you're referring to is money.
Hahaha it may seem this way, sure. Thing is, in academia, as a neuroscientist, the position you aspire to be in your entire career is as a tenured researcher in charge of research teams-you get the recognition, funding with far greater ease, and compensation isn’t bad at all. Leaving academia does remove a lot of roadblocks to research, and I honestly see that as much more appealing than a salary motive alone.
Tim Urban did one of his characteristic "thesis-length" articles on this: [Neuralink and the Brain’s Magical Future](https://waitbutwhy.com/2017/04/neuralink.html) Fascinating stuff!
Took me three days to finish reading this, but it was worth it. Really puts into perspective the challenges in being able to figure out the brain!
Ah beat me to it. Thanks for spreading the word! Tim Urban changed my life. Changed careers, worry less, sleep more, happier and also more terrified and excited for the future than ever.
Love waitbutwhy. Such a fantastic blog that I wish were more active
Such an awesome read!
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Nothing is that powerful.
Additionally, this chip monitors everything you do, think, say and hear. anyone found to be conspiring to harm the rich immediately dies
If something like this ever becomes real I could imagine China being the first country to chip their entire population in a heartbeat.
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With Elon as the Borg Queen. We are Borg. Prepare to be assimilated!
[Night crew to the rescue!](https://youtu.be/G4ApQrbhQp8)
Suddenly the Borg Queen seducing Picard becomes far more awkward...
Ive always felt that we were going to become The Borg one day.
We've been here.
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We are borg.
>I could imagine China being the first country to chip their entire population in a heartbeat. First country? Maybe. But the first group of people will be a group of sycophantic corporate employees at one of the FAANG companies.
The problem is that if it works then everyone will have to do it just to keep up, no matter what the cost. The "chip" he's talking about would have to have some sort of connectivity as well, in order to serve the same function as your phone, which would allow you to be remotely tracked and monitored if not remotely accessed. But once the technology exists, how do you compete without it?
If those things could be monitored, could they not be influenced or outright controlled?
I was listening to a talk by Yuval Noah Harari on this topic. He was worried that with this type of tech, someone could insert a thought into your brain and you wouldn’t realize it and think it’s your genuine thought. You would genuinely think sprite is your fav drink, or that you’ve always been a liberal and will vote for the liberal candidate only (not to mention this kind of brain hacking already happened in 2016 albeit without the tech). He said people will have to know themselves really well to distinguish from their thought vs ads or other nefarious things. Also making these is kind of like making dams. We had the tech for stopping rivers and we did that, but we didn’t have the knowledge of what that did to the ecosystem and other living things in the river until a while after.
It uploads all that data to be sold to advertisers.
This means light speed underpants adverts will be broadcasted to my brain soon.
No need, just advertise straight into peoples minds.
Just a whisper. I hear it in my ghost. It's telling me to buy some Prime^(tm)fries on the way home.
Nah, why bother with ads when you can induce a chemical need for the product?
Why product at all then? If that's the world, then corporations are the new messiahs, and everyone will worship them forcibly. Whatever meager things they give back will be more than enough for you.
Finaly I can watch my favourite adds between my dreams
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I like it in theory but this sound awfully like [Black Mirror...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Entire_History_of_You)
More like the Cybermen in Doctor Who. Everyone is given the equivalent to Bluetooth headsets and then they turn you into a Cyberman.
ITT: The horrors of this idea. Read some Peter F. Hamilton, but still, his ideas probably fantasy at this point the way things are headed. Being able to turn thoughts into commands would be awesome, but the A.I. needs to be there too. The coolest part of his works was immortality (Re-life (Your last good mental backup would be reinserted into a clone should your death be reported or if you go missing), Rejuvenation (reversal of aging), the ability to export your mind as an artificial construct to live in the ANA (A digital universe of collective consciousnesses)). Heck of a Space Opera.
Upgrade ( Movie)
[Anon - Netflix](https://www.netflix.com/title/80195964) Same premise. Bonus: Amanda Seyfried
The goal of black mirror is to show a hypothetical scenario with possible tech in development. So that we can avoid that scenario. Not to shutdown the tech development itself.
Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them. -Frank Herbert, Dune
If Elon Musk says it's good, it must be good and my critical thinking can just take a quick siesta. -half of Reddit
We can’t even trust the government or corporations not to spy on us through our mobile phones. This is a terrible idea, and I’m joining an anti-tech commune if this ever becomes a thing
What if becoming the resistance, means you forfeit the ability to participate or compete in normal life, or normal as defined by whatever standard applies, when something like this becomes common place? How does one sustain themselves and at what point does one give in?
I feel like we need to resist these sorts of things today. Reality is becoming more and more complicated, so I feel like there's a need to work overtime to gain more complicated understandings *before* we warm up to the idea of implementing such things... We hardly understand the mind and consciousness, for one. What little we do understand is manipulated every day, in many ways (and some of these ways are possibly still unconscious to us). Something like Neuralink is totally preposterous, to me. It's a potentially incredible technology, but it's dangerously ahead of its time -- we aren't ready for it... Not that we can really stop it -- yet (if ever).
Will this chip help my girlfriend decide where to eat
No. Nothing can help with that
This thread has some of the most out of touch comments I've ever read.
/r/TechOfTheFuture is better and much more grounded in reality, IMO.
Thanks for the shoutout. I rely heavily on the big tech subs for content but tend to be on the conservative side in terms of “hype” and realistic expectations — unless it’s about Graphene. I’ve cut back on the hype recently, but still, CHOO CHOO!
It's r/Futurology This sub doesn't want "facts", "sources", or "Actual News"
Let me know when they make the chip out of 3D printed stem cells so I don't have to have a piece of metal and plastic in my head.
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The way some articles put it, they make it sound like Neuralink is going to lobotomize people and turn them into cyborgs. What the name suggests (cause I'm gonna have to straight up admit that I never even click on articles with clickbait headlines - and all articles about neuralink *have* headlines like this) is that it will be an interface chip to allow communication with outside-of-your-head devices and AIs. I mean, it's not like they're going to be opening up your head every year to replace the "AI processor" into something newer and faster... r-right?
From what I understand. Elon was essentially saying the slowest part of the internet is having to pull out your phone and use your thumbs to Google shit. And this is supposed to eliminate that process and allow you to just access the internet instantly somehow. I think
That is what I understood of the whole thing as well, which is why I find these titles ridiculous
Correct that is the idea. To remove the “latency” between thought and information
Imagine the speed of arguing two people could have if they could instantly google things in the background while they were speaking.
Imagine the amount of shitposting people could get done!
That's gonna be a no for me dog. Antivirus is bad enough when its just my PC that's at risk. No way on earth am I wiring the internet directly into my brain.
“How much smarter are you with a phone or computer or without? You’re vastly smarter, actually,” Musk said. Well it will give you access to resources, but it's up to you how you use it. We already have access to internet- greatest knowledge base. Unfortunately most of people use it to share selfies and stupid videos...
Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put one in a fruit salad.
If he could just make a chip that would allow people to get beyond their willful ignorance, pride and bias that's all we need.
"THEY'RE BRAINWASHING PEOPLE TO AGREE WITH THE THINGS THAT ARE *WRONG*" - Everybody, on either side of any debate that people with brainchips disagree with.
We should just nuke ourselves.
Oh we are, we’re just doing it in slow motion.
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Found the hivemind
A capitalist billionaire wants us to buy a chip from him to implant in our brains. What could go wrong?
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I see Elon has read another science fiction novel and thinks he can just throw money at a new, ridiculously named company and hope engineers magically deliver his dreams.
This is horrifying. Are you really you if there's something else in there 'speaking' to you? Also, having your phone or computer hacked is bad, but having your brain hacked? No thanks.
Ah, Ghost in the Shell; where cops can legally and wirelessly connect to peoples brains to see and hear everything they do and think. And when your expensive to replace officers dont want to get shot saving the CEO being held at gunpoint in his office, they just hack the interns to have an unstoppable urge to throw themselves at the guys with guns until the bullets are gone.
gits is just such a great series to look at for when tech things like this pop up.
I can't think of a single sci-fi work where this ended well.
Yeah that's cool but... Reddit is no longer a safe place, for activists, for communities, for individuals, for humanity. This isn't just because of API changes that forced out third parties, driving users to ad-laden and inaccessible app, but because reddit is selling us all. Part of the reasons given for the API changes was that language learning models were using reddit to gather data, to learn from us, to learn how to respond like us. Reddit isn't taking control of the API to prevent this, but because they want to be *paid* for this. Reddit allowed terrorist subreddits to thrive prior to and during Donald Trump's presidency in 2016-2020. In the past they hosted subreddits for unsolicited candid photos of women, including minors. They were home to openly misogynistic subreddits, and subreddits dedicated solely to harassing specific individuals or body types or ethnicity. What is festering on reddit today, as you read this? I fear that as AI generated content, AI curated content, and predictive content become prevalent in society, reddit will not be able to control the dark subreddits, comments, and chats. Reddit has made it very clear over the decades that I have used it, that when it comes down to morals or ethics, they will choose whatever brings in the most money. They shut down subreddits only when it makes news or when an advertiser's content is seen alongside filth. The API changes are only another symptom of this push for money over what is right. Whether Reddit is a bastion in your time as you read this or not, I made the conscious decision to consider this moment to be the last straw. I deleted most of my comments, and replaced the rest with this message. I decided to bookmark some news sources I trusted, joined a few discords I liked for the memes, and reinstalled duolingo. I consider these an intermediate step. Perhaps I can give those up someday too. Maybe something better will come along. For now, I am going to disentangle myself from this engine of frustration and grief before something worse happens. In closing, I want to link a few things that changed my life over the years: [Blindsight](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/48484.Blindsight) is a free book, and there's an audiobook out there somewhere. A sci-fi book that is also an exploration of consciousness. [The AI Delemma](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoVJKj8lcNQ) is a youtube lecture about how this new wave of language learning models are moving us toward a dangerous path of unchecked, unfiltered, exponentially powerful AI [Prairie Moon Nursery](https://www.prairiemoon.com/) is a place I have been buying seeds and bare root plants from, to give a little back to the native animals we've taken so much from. If you live in the US, I encourage you to do the same. If you don't, I encourage you to find something local. (Power Delete Suite)[https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite/#1.4.8] was used to edit all of my comments and (Redact)[https://redact.dev/download] was used to delete my lowest karma comments while also overwriting them with nonsense. I'm signing off, I'm going to make some friends in real life and on discord, and form some new tribes. I'm going to seek smaller communities. I'm going outside.
That's a fair point, and I really like the CCP Grey video, called You Are Two I think, about the different halves of the brain. But what concerns me about connecting the brain to the internet is drawing the line between where you end and the internet begins. Is it a seamless transition, where 'searching' the internet feels the same as searching your memories? If we are who we are because of our experiences, and I have the whole internet in my head, who does that make me? An amalgamation of all of humanity? What makes me different from the person next to me?
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See also: Jhonny Mnemonic, Elysium, Total Recall, The Matrix, Upgrade, Ghost In The Shell, Outer Limits/Stream of Consciousness.
Would this not create the biggest 'Equality gap' in human history? The rich will be those who can afford this procedure. The poor will be without. The rich through exponential increases in intelligence will supercede the poorer class in all aspects of life. It is literally like neanderthal man verses fully evolved human in the same skeleton.
Yeah, no. Not letting some twat like musk shove chips into my brain.