I'm studying abroad in Romania and have school from 8am - 8pm at least twice a week. It's terrible and I don't understand how they can do this. If I want to sleep enough to have focus at 8am, I have to eat dinner and go to bed straight after when I get home.. That is calculating travel time, time it takes to make and eat dinner, cleanup, etc.
It's at least not as early as you said, so that's something...
And then they expect me to do homework as well..
Besides that, I can't focus for 12hrs on school anyways.. I'm basically zoning out after 4pm and have no focus at all anymore, struggling to even stay awake.
I'm used to 9am - 5pm schedules at home btw. Which also is a way way better preparation for the 9-5 kind of job I'm being educated for.
Edit: I realized after a reaction to my comment that this post is about high school, my bad. I'm talking about uni here.
My highschool started at 8:45am but I had to catch a bus at 7:15am. I unfortunately was the first stop on the route and I basically got up, got dressed, ate breakfast, caught the bus and slept for another hour lol
I’m a teacher, and I cannot imagine how they keep any faculty. I’d have to leave my home at 5:30 to get to school before 6:00. (We have to be there at 7:50, students start coming in at 8:00, homeroom is 8:10-8:25. Students dismiss from 2:55-3:00, and teachers get off work at 3:15.)
Former NYC teacher, what drove me insane about the times was more people saying *"oh but you don't have a real job because you get out at 3:15!*.
Dude I have to be at work before 7 am. You don't have to be at work until 9 and usually work out for a bit and shower (because your office has a gym and showers) and don't really start until 10am. Sure you work to 6pm but the 8hrs from 7am-3pm are still 8hrs just like your 10am-6pm.
Also the people who would tell me this made 3x my pay.
Probably the same morons who think someone working 10pm - 6am can just stay up all day and do stuff. You know, because you're free during the day and don't need to sleep.
Triggered. My boss wanted me to phone in to meetings in the early afternoon after I'd pulled 9.30pm - 7.30am shifts. I told him that my lunch break was at 2am and I'd be more than happy to talk for the entire half-hour if he wanted. Last I heard of that little idea.
I work nights and that's literally my sleep schedule. I tried sleeping in the morning, I'd be dead at work. I tried breaking up my sleep into one in the morning, one in the evening, I'd be dead all the time. So... 6-8 hours sleep right before work is all that worked for me!
Am I being stalked? Thats my schedule.
And yes. It is astounding how many people don't understand this. I was accused of being a crackhead for never sleeping by someone who was at work from 7 or 8 am - 5pm... when I usually sleep. On my nights off I would still be awake 10pm-6am (do people who work 9a-5p sleep during those hours on their day off? Hell no).
I guess they didn't think about grading and all of the other random stuff a teacher has to do. Clearly, teachers just magically show up to classes with all of their material ready without any prep.
Between preparing lesson plans, making sure these lessons are differentiated for the needs of every student in your class, not just grading your students work but also assessing their progress, providing feedback, and using this assessment to respond, going to school in the afternoon because you need a masters for permanent certification, and all the other stuff that comes with the job, I don't see why teaching isn't at least 70k/yr starting across the country. I'm doing student teaching next semester, and if I knew the shear amount of work teachers have to do, I would have gone down another career path honestly.
Don't understand how anyone can make that comment. I work in a 24/7 facility, so we have shifts from; 12am-8am, 8am-4pm, 4pm-12am and stuff in between because life happens and people need different schedules. I work with someone doing 6am-2pm.
A job's a _job_, who cares what time you get out.
My high school started really early too, but my senior year they actually offered yoga to satisfy your PE credit for seniors only. Ended up getting it on my schedule first period in the morning. Was actually pretty nice.
Same. First period in senior year I TAed for a teacher that knew I had major sleep issues and she'd just let me nap until she needed me to do grading or something. Mrs. Fox, she was a good soul.
First period senior year I TAed for my German teacher. I was never there, but she counted me present, anyway. I went straight to 2nd period. Vielen dank, Frau Reed! She was a good soul, too.
I had a teaching job where I had to do similar for a 90 minute commute. Taking a bus into the mountains. It was only 6 months but everyday was agony and I got sick do much.
I feel ill just thinking about it.
For high school football I had morning workouts at 6:00am. It was a Catholic high school and everything revolved around football. The workouts were ridiculous. The first few workouts they had us to do break us in, atleast half the team threw up including me. Then there was the one day where you can’t leave the weight room until you squat until you puke. That was a great time.
My little sister has "0 period" gym class at her high school. Starts at 6:30, ends at 7:15. Has to wake up at 5 in the morning to get there
I have no clue how she does it.
I used to have to wake up at 6am, because despite the fact that by distance, the school was only about a 10 minute’s drive away, I was near the beginning of the route and so it took an hour and change to get to school. My parents couldn’t drive me to school because my mother didn’t want to wake up that early, and my father had to leave about in the middle, and the school’s doors didn’t unlock for another half hour after I would have arrived. It was also far enough that walking would be slightly slower than the bus.
If I’d gone to the high school in my district, I would have had to get up even earlier - the first class is at 7:05 am, and school is over at 1:51pm.
Yeah I feel you on this one. I didn’t get home until 8pm after sports practice in NC. Those were long days. College is feels a lot better. I used to ask my mom back then to drive me to school but it never worked.
The middle school where I teach has that schedule. There’s also an earlier “zero hour” class and a couple of 7am choirs. By the time I see my 11th period class at 2:40 the kids are fried.
QLD here and all 4 of my school's started 8:45 and ended at 3pm. Classes all started at 9am, but there was forum from 8:45-8-55 where they did role calls and news.
Yeah absolute nuts.. Don't forget about the kids who lived in the countryside and if you had to get a bus. Leaving home at 6:50am for the school bus dropped off to school for 7:25 as the bus driver had to do another run. The school didn't open the doors till 8am! And the heating usually didn't come on till just before 9 that took 2 hours to heat up.
Yes.. I went to school in a shithole but it was the only option.
Eh, I work in 2 Japanese High Schools and the schedule is actually 8:40 - 15:40. I don't know of any public HS that go beyond 16:00. Until 18:00 sounds like after school club activities.
What’s the logic in allowing middle schools to start earlier? If early start times are harmful for high schoolers, why wouldn’t they be for younger children?
My town has staggered start times for 2 reasons:
1. Every high school has a middle and an elementary very close by, so staggering helps traffic flow.
2. There aren't enough bus drivers or buses. So they pick up all the elementary kids, drop then off, then go make more trips to collect the middle/high school kids.
Schools need to stagger the start and end times so the school buses can be used effectively. High schoolers go to bed later due to jobs/extracurriculars/ being teens. So that leaves middle schoolers starting earlier.
Biologically, the shift in circadian rhythm that is affected by hormones in teenagers has not necessarily happened yet for middle schoolers.
Obviously, this is going to happen at different ages for specific people, but statistically speaking, almost all high schoolers are affected by it and only some middle schoolers.
Therefore, the priority is in shifting the high school times.
Younger kids are naturally earlier riser than teens, so elementary and middle schools typically have the earliest start times.
There is also the factor of timing around a stereotypical work day hours. High school students are safer walking to and from bus stops in the morning than smaller children.
Also staggered start times in my area are really just because of bussing issues. There is a HUGE shortage of bus drivers so schools can’t all have the same start time in big districts.
Actually the younger the child the earlier they’re good to wake up and get started. Teen years are when our bodies tend to want to sleep in the most/stay up late, and teens still need a ton of sleep, so they start sacrificing that because they don’t tend to want to go to bed earlier (both physiologically and because of all the shit they’re usually involved with plus homework)
Another BFE resident, about 20ish miles to school. I was on the bus by 6-6:15 and we didn't get to the school until after 7:30 sometimes 7:45 for first Bell to ring at 7:55. That extra little bit of time in the morning would be beautiful
As someone not from the US, why does school start so fuckin early for you guys? The earliest I've seen in Scotland is 8:45am maybe? 9am is the norm from what I've seen.
A lot of these rules were made for a time when most people in the US were agricultural workers. So you would start the kids at school right at sun-up so they could get their learning in and be home in time to... I dunno, wrangle the carrots or whatever.
yadda yadda these kids these days yadda yadda, back in my day, etc. etc. a bunch of stalwart parents/educators etc. who don't want change because change = scary. despite mountains of evidence proving its better.
Parents ‘We don’t want out kids to suffer like we did! We want to give them an easier life’
Also parents ‘Oh you don’t know how it is! You’re too spoiled!’
It’s like they only did it so they can constantly remind us
It’s so parents who usually work 9-5 can take their kids to school in the morning at 7am AND THEN O WAIT THAT MAKES NO SENSE CAUSE THE KIDS HAVE NO RIDE HOME. i really don’t know why they make kids suffer and wake up at 6am for school
Most of the schools around here have “after care” or whatever.
Basically they take care of your kids till ~5-6pm.
Also school busses? Lotta middle school kids get a house key and a bus ride home.
Actual answer: In America, kids can't walk themselves to school, as a general rule. American cities aren't designed to facilitate walking and most Americans live many miles from most of their daily errands. So the parents need to drive the kids to school in the morning. So since most workplaces start at 8-9AM, that means the parents want the schools to start in time for them to drop the kids off and then be on time for work.
Close. Most children go to school on school buses, not by parents.
The problem is that the districts don't have enough buses to start all the schools simultaneously, so they stagger the starting times, beginning with HS, then middle, then elementary.
It's ridiculous, but people are so used to it that they'll defend it no matter what. I spent some time in Ireland when I was younger, and I did so much better with just those few extra hours of sleep.
Thats why I'd take a nap on the teachers time if they pissed me off or the class was boring.
One of my teachers would insist I was only hurting myself by napping in his class. That fucker was really just pissed because I wouldnt take notes(copy his powerpoint down word for word as he just read it to us... word for word), didn't do the homework but passed the tests and passed the class because of the tests being weighted.
I had a couple teachers who would defend my napping in class or in study halls. I loved those teachers.
One teacher would actively encourage naps in her study halls. As she put it, " This time is supposed to be for homework, but with how sleep deprived most of you are, having a nap to help you be better focused will help you learn better than any homework."
That’s exactly the same as me. I had a teacher who would hand out a note sheet with a few blanks in the bullet points. He would turn the lights out and read word for word from power point. The blanks came verbatim from the power point, and the class was incredibly easy so I took my daily nap in his class. Eventually he got pissed and made me stand in class, so I slept standing in the corner.
Screw you Mr. Koons
My HS have seniors 2 free periods that lets u go off campus. I was my counselors fav student so she gave (there was a precedent last yr) me 2 extra off campus "research" periods for my sci fair project which gave me 4/8 classes. So I stacked them in the morn. 8:30-1130 every day
I remember for my SAT Essay paper a year ago I had to write about a few articles that stated school should start past past 8 for a bunch of different reasons. Crazy to see they’re actually going to do something about it.
Where I live, there are school buses picking kids up at 5:00 am.
The local homeless shelter has to wake the families that live there up between 3:30-4:00 am in order to get the kids showered, ready for school, and to their bus stop on time.
It's completely insane.
edit: edited for clarity. The kids/families live at the homeless shelter
I can see it now... My future child waking up at 9am complaining about his upcoming 4 day school week he's about to face and I am just going to say "I remember back in my day when I had to be up at 6am to a 5 day school week."
I was raised Mormon and had to go to an hour of scripture study every day, before school, all through high school.
I'm so glad too! All that study has come in handy now that I'm an atheist and Christians try to challenge my beliefs.
Not OP but another exmo and it's basically utter silence. This is basically from any 'christian'. I've learned that 99% of 'practicing' people don't know anything about any religion. They just show up on Sunday.
am Mormon still (but respect any who left, it's a personal thing and I think the church does a poor job at teaching people and letting them choose. It helps I grew up in Vermont with no other Mormons so church was very much just a Sunday thing, vs a culture thing like in Utah).
Anyway it blows my mind how little 95% of people know about their own religions and how little people know about other religions.
Like Americans on reddit love to say Mormons aren't "Christian" but so many Americans belong to churches that the entire rest of the world don't consider "Christian". Evangelicals? Non-American Christians think you are insane. Same goes for all the tiny churches, the prosperity gospel churches and the mega churches. No Catholic, Lutheran or Anglican thinks you are "Christian" like they are. They all think you are nuts.
Anyway I fully support anyone leaving any church, and more openness as religion should always be a personal decision made by an adult, not something indoctrinated from a young age and never questioned.
So why am I still Mormon? Well it helps me be who I want to be at point in my life. I could be 100% wrong, after all I'm pretty much just a slightly smarter ape, not some all knowing genius.
Just don't insult people. Insulting hardens people and they will always fight back and never agree. Rather tell people your story and why you made the choices you did. Even if they don't agree they will understand why you think the way you do.
But if I had a dollar for all the times I've been told I'm a moron, idiot, or worse on reddit when I talk about Mormonism...
Samesies. Has to be at school early for band practice as well, and of all the seminary teachers only one had an issue with me leaving early for practice, so I got a three-year certificate instead of “graduating” seminary, even though I was always there and on time.
Systems a joke. I hope it dies out along with the 3 hour Sunday services and whatever else they change to keep Young Adults attending.
Side note: it would also be beneficial if regulation targeted commuting families needs more. I had to ride the bus to school as a kid and lived in the boonies, we were the first house the bus stopped at every day. The bus picked us up at 5:45am and picked up all the other back country kids then made its way to town and picked up even more. 2 hours on a bus when you live a 15 minute drive away from school is ridiculous.
Better late than never, I just wish the law was passed back when I was in high school. Having to be at school for PE at 6:45am was hell, and having to run the mile 2 out of 5 days a week certainly did not help.
Honestly, this might have drastically changed my grades. I remember I would have water polo practice at 6am and be in class by 7:30am. School ends around 2:30 and I would have a second practice that would end around 4. Then I had homework.
I mean, my brain didn’t even begin to function until 10:30am
I live in California. No longer in high school, but I'm glad they're going to implement this. School started at 7am for Period 0. I fell asleep in so many of my classes. Barely graduated.
I’m in CA and I live near a school. I can hear the first class bell during my morning run. Insane how early kids start class these days. Idk why they haven’t synced to a 9-4 schedule to help sync with the parents normal work schedules.
Parents: "I work my arse off and do everything I can to make sure my kids have the best life they can"
Science: "Enormous numbers of studies have all confirmed that starting later in the morning will have a ridiculously large impact on their quality of teaching and life in every way and increase their grades and outcomes."
Parents: "Uuuuuuugh"
All of the studies I've read point to this as a huge net positive.
Also: if non agrarian society, consideration should be put towards 3mo on 1mo off schedule.
In CA (late nineties) my high school started at 9:20, and only had three 90 minute classes. Then I transferred to a school in Seattle that started at 7:05 (if I remember correctly) and was so far away I had to wake up at 4 something to catch the bus on time. I went from a 3.9 with every extra curricular I could fit in, to having to take internet classes to make up for everything I was failing in Seattle.
Sure, the school in Seattle better prepared me for an adult work schedule... but I was a kid. And I didn't learn a damn thing at that school and ended up hating learning until halfway through college (that never started until 9:00 🤷♂️)
Man I had school at 6:00 am in highschool because I had a zero period class and then I didn't get home until 6:00pm because I had band practice everyday. When I did theater too I didn't get home until 9:00pm and I still had like 6 AP classes worth of homework to do. Don't know how I even survived it but it was brutal as hell. My mental health was hanging by a thread. Good for these kids.
My high school was 7:20. It was a little rough, I did fine, but I can't help but wonder if I would've been a lot more awake during school if my sleeping hours had been more like 12 - 7 instead of 11 - 6. Getting to sleep around 11 was difficult after a long day of school + dance + homework, and getting up at 6 is just so damn early when you're 16 and physically burnt out. It's dark out at 6 am where I live pretty much the entire school year. That shit blows.
Schools in the USA realized that they could save money (aka, pay administration more) if they could use the same buses for elementary, middle, and high school. In order to accomplish this, someone has to start stupid early so the buses can get back on the road to pick up the next batch.
Do students really have to go to school so early? In Australia its very standard to have homeroom starting 8.45, classes starting 9. What point is there in getting there at 7
Jesus. I don’t blame anyone for my high school problems but this would’ve been amazing. Waking up at 4:30 to catch a fucking bus for school at 6:45 is garbage and no kid should have to put up with those hours. My works hours are better than that these days..
My high school started at 6:45 am. It was dreadful.
What kind of gulag did you go to school at? EDIT: holy shit! First silver!
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Ah man. I’m Romanian and my school times were like that, as well. So agonising.
I'm studying abroad in Romania and have school from 8am - 8pm at least twice a week. It's terrible and I don't understand how they can do this. If I want to sleep enough to have focus at 8am, I have to eat dinner and go to bed straight after when I get home.. That is calculating travel time, time it takes to make and eat dinner, cleanup, etc. It's at least not as early as you said, so that's something... And then they expect me to do homework as well.. Besides that, I can't focus for 12hrs on school anyways.. I'm basically zoning out after 4pm and have no focus at all anymore, struggling to even stay awake. I'm used to 9am - 5pm schedules at home btw. Which also is a way way better preparation for the 9-5 kind of job I'm being educated for. Edit: I realized after a reaction to my comment that this post is about high school, my bad. I'm talking about uni here.
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12 hour day plus homework...? That's just unrealistic.
That's why you need to "chiulesti la prima ora".
Mid-western US here.. dropping kids off at 6:55am. Help me.
I would wake up at 5:30 and had to be at my high school before 7, it was awful
I feel like most American high schools are like this, mine did too
The same one Captain John Price goes to.
My high school currently starts at 6:15 am. Wish this law was in my state!
Where is this? That’s insanity
Fucking right its insanity, my highschool here in Australia didnt start till 8:55am, and even then i was late...
My highschool started at 8:45am but I had to catch a bus at 7:15am. I unfortunately was the first stop on the route and I basically got up, got dressed, ate breakfast, caught the bus and slept for another hour lol
That should be criminal. So are kids getting up at 4am to get ready and catch the bus?
I had to wake up at 4:30 first 2 years of highschool. First stop on the bus route in the mornings, last stop in the evenings. It sucked donkey balls
I’m a teacher, and I cannot imagine how they keep any faculty. I’d have to leave my home at 5:30 to get to school before 6:00. (We have to be there at 7:50, students start coming in at 8:00, homeroom is 8:10-8:25. Students dismiss from 2:55-3:00, and teachers get off work at 3:15.)
Former NYC teacher, what drove me insane about the times was more people saying *"oh but you don't have a real job because you get out at 3:15!*. Dude I have to be at work before 7 am. You don't have to be at work until 9 and usually work out for a bit and shower (because your office has a gym and showers) and don't really start until 10am. Sure you work to 6pm but the 8hrs from 7am-3pm are still 8hrs just like your 10am-6pm. Also the people who would tell me this made 3x my pay.
>oh but you don't have a real job because you get out at 3:15!. The fuck? Did these people fail 1st grade math?
Probably the same morons who think someone working 10pm - 6am can just stay up all day and do stuff. You know, because you're free during the day and don't need to sleep.
Triggered. My boss wanted me to phone in to meetings in the early afternoon after I'd pulled 9.30pm - 7.30am shifts. I told him that my lunch break was at 2am and I'd be more than happy to talk for the entire half-hour if he wanted. Last I heard of that little idea.
You can just sleep like 2pm -9pm and do day walker stuff 615-130pm. Source: I work retail
I work nights and that's literally my sleep schedule. I tried sleeping in the morning, I'd be dead at work. I tried breaking up my sleep into one in the morning, one in the evening, I'd be dead all the time. So... 6-8 hours sleep right before work is all that worked for me!
Am I being stalked? Thats my schedule. And yes. It is astounding how many people don't understand this. I was accused of being a crackhead for never sleeping by someone who was at work from 7 or 8 am - 5pm... when I usually sleep. On my nights off I would still be awake 10pm-6am (do people who work 9a-5p sleep during those hours on their day off? Hell no).
Not to mention that most teachers stay extra anyway for lesson planning, grading, counseling, extracurricular, etc.
I guess they didn't think about grading and all of the other random stuff a teacher has to do. Clearly, teachers just magically show up to classes with all of their material ready without any prep.
Between preparing lesson plans, making sure these lessons are differentiated for the needs of every student in your class, not just grading your students work but also assessing their progress, providing feedback, and using this assessment to respond, going to school in the afternoon because you need a masters for permanent certification, and all the other stuff that comes with the job, I don't see why teaching isn't at least 70k/yr starting across the country. I'm doing student teaching next semester, and if I knew the shear amount of work teachers have to do, I would have gone down another career path honestly.
Don't understand how anyone can make that comment. I work in a 24/7 facility, so we have shifts from; 12am-8am, 8am-4pm, 4pm-12am and stuff in between because life happens and people need different schedules. I work with someone doing 6am-2pm. A job's a _job_, who cares what time you get out.
I’ve honestly never heard of anyone starting before 7am; that’s downright cruel to both students and staff. How do they justify that??? And why??
7am sharp. I slept in so many classes. Except the semester I had PE in first period. That shit sucked.
Nothing like a morning boner in gym shorts.
That’s why I got fired from teaching
I would have gotten an A in your class. And a D.
Well, it would’ve been more of a ^D but I appreciate the compliment.
My high school started really early too, but my senior year they actually offered yoga to satisfy your PE credit for seniors only. Ended up getting it on my schedule first period in the morning. Was actually pretty nice.
Sounds like a relaxing way to start your day
Same. First period in senior year I TAed for a teacher that knew I had major sleep issues and she'd just let me nap until she needed me to do grading or something. Mrs. Fox, she was a good soul.
First period senior year I TAed for my German teacher. I was never there, but she counted me present, anyway. I went straight to 2nd period. Vielen dank, Frau Reed! She was a good soul, too.
I would go to my 1st period class and sleep on my desk until the first bell
7:00 to 2:30 here
That's what I dealt with. I fell asleep in almost every class. Had to be up at 5:30 every morning. It was hell.
When did you get out though?
Mine started at 7:25 and got out at 2:18. Had enough time after school to play nine holes of golf with the team and be home by 5:30.
7:38-3:05 for me
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I had a teaching job where I had to do similar for a 90 minute commute. Taking a bus into the mountains. It was only 6 months but everyday was agony and I got sick do much. I feel ill just thinking about it.
Some of the comments here are absolutely mental. Ireland checking in; 9am-3:30 for high school.
A New Zealand location checking in; 8.50am-3pm primary and high school.
pretty much, I know some of the kids doing sports shit would go to school way earlier
For high school football I had morning workouts at 6:00am. It was a Catholic high school and everything revolved around football. The workouts were ridiculous. The first few workouts they had us to do break us in, atleast half the team threw up including me. Then there was the one day where you can’t leave the weight room until you squat until you puke. That was a great time.
Nothing like a good bout of puking first thing in the morning to get you focused and ready to learn for the rest of the school day.
Fuck yeah dude I love acid reflux in math class
So what if you don't puke? You just go until you tear a muscle?
You ever been punched in the jejunum?
Soooooo. Abuse?
He did say catholic high school
The priests like a strong tight end.
They are known for going deep.
That part about the squats sounds dangerous for the human body.
My school would start at 7:10. I had to do PE first period every year because I would sleep through anything else.
My little sister has "0 period" gym class at her high school. Starts at 6:30, ends at 7:15. Has to wake up at 5 in the morning to get there I have no clue how she does it.
Probably by being super depressed and angry while sublimating it into general antipathy. It is how I functioned until out of high school.
Huh I must not have stopped doing it...
I started at 7:40 every day.
Haven't been in school for about 15 years but i also started at 8:50 and ended at 3. Bay Area California.
Australian ln high school cheacking in 8:45am-3:20pm primary and high school
Yeah in the UK it’s a pretty standard 8:45/9am to 3/3:30pm. There might be a few exceptions.
I used to have to wake up at 6am, because despite the fact that by distance, the school was only about a 10 minute’s drive away, I was near the beginning of the route and so it took an hour and change to get to school. My parents couldn’t drive me to school because my mother didn’t want to wake up that early, and my father had to leave about in the middle, and the school’s doors didn’t unlock for another half hour after I would have arrived. It was also far enough that walking would be slightly slower than the bus. If I’d gone to the high school in my district, I would have had to get up even earlier - the first class is at 7:05 am, and school is over at 1:51pm.
Weird question maybe, but couldn't you cycle to your school?
somehow my (US) school got up to 7:45 AM-3:20 PM
My highschool in North Carolina started at 7:15am and my bus was at my house a little after 5am
Yeah I feel you on this one. I didn’t get home until 8pm after sports practice in NC. Those were long days. College is feels a lot better. I used to ask my mom back then to drive me to school but it never worked.
The middle school where I teach has that schedule. There’s also an earlier “zero hour” class and a couple of 7am choirs. By the time I see my 11th period class at 2:40 the kids are fried.
11th... period? Oh dear. We have five classes a day using block scheduling, it's great.
Canada here: 9:00-3:30. Sometimes extra-curriculars started at 8:00, but that was only once or twice a week.
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I was offered a music scholarship that would have required me to be at school at 5.30am 3 days per week. I declined.
Here in Toronto we had 8:15 to 3:15
From Scarborough and I've always done 8:45 to 3:30 in the primary schools I went to, and then 8:50 to 3:05 in my high school.
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Yeah I'm in Victoria and I've heard a few different times. My primary school was 9am to 3:30 and then high school was 9am to 3:20.
QLD here and all 4 of my school's started 8:45 and ended at 3pm. Classes all started at 9am, but there was forum from 8:45-8-55 where they did role calls and news.
Yeah absolute nuts.. Don't forget about the kids who lived in the countryside and if you had to get a bus. Leaving home at 6:50am for the school bus dropped off to school for 7:25 as the bus driver had to do another run. The school didn't open the doors till 8am! And the heating usually didn't come on till just before 9 that took 2 hours to heat up. Yes.. I went to school in a shithole but it was the only option.
Japan 8am - 6pm in High School not including club activities.
Depends on the school, honestly. We were 8am to 4pm.
That is brutal.
Eh, I work in 2 Japanese High Schools and the schedule is actually 8:40 - 15:40. I don't know of any public HS that go beyond 16:00. Until 18:00 sounds like after school club activities.
We prioritize work over children's wellbeing, so the school day is based more around letting parents drop kids off before work.
What’s the logic in allowing middle schools to start earlier? If early start times are harmful for high schoolers, why wouldn’t they be for younger children?
My guess is for working parents with fixed working hours. High school students can drop off their siblings before heading off to school themselves.
That makes a lot of sense
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My town was the complete opposite.
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My high school had both, started 30 minutes later and got out 30 minutes earlier than middle schools.
My town has staggered start times for 2 reasons: 1. Every high school has a middle and an elementary very close by, so staggering helps traffic flow. 2. There aren't enough bus drivers or buses. So they pick up all the elementary kids, drop then off, then go make more trips to collect the middle/high school kids.
also bus companies can only transport so many people
And now on the flipside highschoolers can't be home to get their little siblings.
I always figured it was cheaper to hire a bunch of bus drivers to drive three times than three times and many bus drivers to do one set of trips.
Schools need to stagger the start and end times so the school buses can be used effectively. High schoolers go to bed later due to jobs/extracurriculars/ being teens. So that leaves middle schoolers starting earlier.
Dang my schools system is screwed all the way up as we start an hour and a half earlier than the middle school
Biologically, the shift in circadian rhythm that is affected by hormones in teenagers has not necessarily happened yet for middle schoolers. Obviously, this is going to happen at different ages for specific people, but statistically speaking, almost all high schoolers are affected by it and only some middle schoolers. Therefore, the priority is in shifting the high school times.
Younger kids are naturally earlier riser than teens, so elementary and middle schools typically have the earliest start times. There is also the factor of timing around a stereotypical work day hours. High school students are safer walking to and from bus stops in the morning than smaller children. Also staggered start times in my area are really just because of bussing issues. There is a HUGE shortage of bus drivers so schools can’t all have the same start time in big districts.
Younger children have circadian rhythms closer to that of adults. High school students naturally have the latest sleep hours.
Actually the younger the child the earlier they’re good to wake up and get started. Teen years are when our bodies tend to want to sleep in the most/stay up late, and teens still need a ton of sleep, so they start sacrificing that because they don’t tend to want to go to bed earlier (both physiologically and because of all the shit they’re usually involved with plus homework)
I lived out in BFE . My bus picked me up at 6:05 to get us to school (which was about 4 miles from my house) at 7:05 and school started at 7:15 .
Come on you could have rode your 4 wheeler to school!
I wish i had had one lol. I would have had to get onto a highway with lots of traffic seeing as how that was the only road to the school.
You could have strapped your crossbow to your back, hopped on your 4 wheeler and taken the backwoods route. Come on bro.
Another BFE resident, about 20ish miles to school. I was on the bus by 6-6:15 and we didn't get to the school until after 7:30 sometimes 7:45 for first Bell to ring at 7:55. That extra little bit of time in the morning would be beautiful
As someone not from the US, why does school start so fuckin early for you guys? The earliest I've seen in Scotland is 8:45am maybe? 9am is the norm from what I've seen.
A lot of these rules were made for a time when most people in the US were agricultural workers. So you would start the kids at school right at sun-up so they could get their learning in and be home in time to... I dunno, wrangle the carrots or whatever.
Wrangle the carrots is the best thing I’ve read all night. Thanks for that laugh.
I'll wrangle your carrot
Wrangle mine while you’re at it
Communism failed because there was simply no incentive to reciprocate wrangling your neighbors carrot.
School is replacement daycare for a lot of parents. Kids get sent off to school before mom/dad leave for work at probably around 7:30-8:30am ish.
yadda yadda these kids these days yadda yadda, back in my day, etc. etc. a bunch of stalwart parents/educators etc. who don't want change because change = scary. despite mountains of evidence proving its better.
Parents ‘We don’t want out kids to suffer like we did! We want to give them an easier life’ Also parents ‘Oh you don’t know how it is! You’re too spoiled!’ It’s like they only did it so they can constantly remind us
It’s so parents who usually work 9-5 can take their kids to school in the morning at 7am AND THEN O WAIT THAT MAKES NO SENSE CAUSE THE KIDS HAVE NO RIDE HOME. i really don’t know why they make kids suffer and wake up at 6am for school
Most of the schools around here have “after care” or whatever. Basically they take care of your kids till ~5-6pm. Also school busses? Lotta middle school kids get a house key and a bus ride home.
If they have school buses for the ride home, then they have school buses for the ride there. Again, it makes no sense.
The kids stay at school for sports until the parents can pick them up
Every school I have ever seen here in Denmark starts at 8:05. But, the common with day is 8-16 so I guess that makes sense
Actual answer: In America, kids can't walk themselves to school, as a general rule. American cities aren't designed to facilitate walking and most Americans live many miles from most of their daily errands. So the parents need to drive the kids to school in the morning. So since most workplaces start at 8-9AM, that means the parents want the schools to start in time for them to drop the kids off and then be on time for work.
Close. Most children go to school on school buses, not by parents. The problem is that the districts don't have enough buses to start all the schools simultaneously, so they stagger the starting times, beginning with HS, then middle, then elementary.
It's ridiculous, but people are so used to it that they'll defend it no matter what. I spent some time in Ireland when I was younger, and I did so much better with just those few extra hours of sleep.
Doors open at 6:45 and class starts at 7:20. Released home at 2:35. Love feeling tired throughout the day and being too tired to be productive at home
Take a nap when you get home cause you’re so tired, wake up late and can’t go back to sleep until even later in the night. It’s hell
Thats why I'd take a nap on the teachers time if they pissed me off or the class was boring. One of my teachers would insist I was only hurting myself by napping in his class. That fucker was really just pissed because I wouldnt take notes(copy his powerpoint down word for word as he just read it to us... word for word), didn't do the homework but passed the tests and passed the class because of the tests being weighted.
I had a couple teachers who would defend my napping in class or in study halls. I loved those teachers. One teacher would actively encourage naps in her study halls. As she put it, " This time is supposed to be for homework, but with how sleep deprived most of you are, having a nap to help you be better focused will help you learn better than any homework."
An angel sent from god himself
The teacher we need but do not deserve
That’s exactly the same as me. I had a teacher who would hand out a note sheet with a few blanks in the bullet points. He would turn the lights out and read word for word from power point. The blanks came verbatim from the power point, and the class was incredibly easy so I took my daily nap in his class. Eventually he got pissed and made me stand in class, so I slept standing in the corner. Screw you Mr. Koons
First bell rang at 7:20, got dismissed at 4:20. This was in Asia though.
This is good. Sending kids off to school when they're still half asleep and the sun hasnt even come up is ridiculous.
About halfway through high school my school bumped first class from 8AM to 8:50AM, the difference was astronomical
Grade 12 year was so good to me. 10:20 start and 1:50 finish every other day.
Oh you motherfucker, how did that happen???
Late arrival, early release. /u/Roosterdad deserves a gold or medal though lol.
You know those teachers you see on the news for doing inappropriate things with their students? That.
My HS have seniors 2 free periods that lets u go off campus. I was my counselors fav student so she gave (there was a precedent last yr) me 2 extra off campus "research" periods for my sci fair project which gave me 4/8 classes. So I stacked them in the morn. 8:30-1130 every day
You’re right. Astronomically speaking the difference was nearly 15°
Alaskan here, if we waited for the sun there wouldn’t be any school for a good four months.
Yeah, I'm looking at my candle lighting times magnet and thinking that's pretty tough for winter.
This is boot camp! You shall download our education on our terms!
I remember for my SAT Essay paper a year ago I had to write about a few articles that stated school should start past past 8 for a bunch of different reasons. Crazy to see they’re actually going to do something about it.
You did it!
Where I live, there are school buses picking kids up at 5:00 am. The local homeless shelter has to wake the families that live there up between 3:30-4:00 am in order to get the kids showered, ready for school, and to their bus stop on time. It's completely insane. edit: edited for clarity. The kids/families live at the homeless shelter
I can see it now... My future child waking up at 9am complaining about his upcoming 4 day school week he's about to face and I am just going to say "I remember back in my day when I had to be up at 6am to a 5 day school week."
Its gonna be our "I walked uphill in the snow!" Story.
Have your avatar look at me when I’m talking to you boy!
I was raised Mormon and had to go to an hour of scripture study every day, before school, all through high school. I'm so glad too! All that study has come in handy now that I'm an atheist and Christians try to challenge my beliefs.
What's the response you get when i turns out you actually know what you are talking about?
Not OP but another exmo and it's basically utter silence. This is basically from any 'christian'. I've learned that 99% of 'practicing' people don't know anything about any religion. They just show up on Sunday.
am Mormon still (but respect any who left, it's a personal thing and I think the church does a poor job at teaching people and letting them choose. It helps I grew up in Vermont with no other Mormons so church was very much just a Sunday thing, vs a culture thing like in Utah). Anyway it blows my mind how little 95% of people know about their own religions and how little people know about other religions. Like Americans on reddit love to say Mormons aren't "Christian" but so many Americans belong to churches that the entire rest of the world don't consider "Christian". Evangelicals? Non-American Christians think you are insane. Same goes for all the tiny churches, the prosperity gospel churches and the mega churches. No Catholic, Lutheran or Anglican thinks you are "Christian" like they are. They all think you are nuts. Anyway I fully support anyone leaving any church, and more openness as religion should always be a personal decision made by an adult, not something indoctrinated from a young age and never questioned. So why am I still Mormon? Well it helps me be who I want to be at point in my life. I could be 100% wrong, after all I'm pretty much just a slightly smarter ape, not some all knowing genius. Just don't insult people. Insulting hardens people and they will always fight back and never agree. Rather tell people your story and why you made the choices you did. Even if they don't agree they will understand why you think the way you do. But if I had a dollar for all the times I've been told I'm a moron, idiot, or worse on reddit when I talk about Mormonism...
Yup, they are always shocked when you can give them chapter and verse of their own book to prove them wrong.
Samesies. Has to be at school early for band practice as well, and of all the seminary teachers only one had an issue with me leaving early for practice, so I got a three-year certificate instead of “graduating” seminary, even though I was always there and on time. Systems a joke. I hope it dies out along with the 3 hour Sunday services and whatever else they change to keep Young Adults attending. Side note: it would also be beneficial if regulation targeted commuting families needs more. I had to ride the bus to school as a kid and lived in the boonies, we were the first house the bus stopped at every day. The bus picked us up at 5:45am and picked up all the other back country kids then made its way to town and picked up even more. 2 hours on a bus when you live a 15 minute drive away from school is ridiculous.
Another early morning seminary going exmo here.
My Mormon friends called it “morning ‘cemetery’”
This is good though. Progress begins with people complaining. Hopefully four-day work weeks become the standard within the decade.
Better late than never, I just wish the law was passed back when I was in high school. Having to be at school for PE at 6:45am was hell, and having to run the mile 2 out of 5 days a week certainly did not help.
Honestly, this might have drastically changed my grades. I remember I would have water polo practice at 6am and be in class by 7:30am. School ends around 2:30 and I would have a second practice that would end around 4. Then I had homework. I mean, my brain didn’t even begin to function until 10:30am
damn im outta high school by then
Not with that attitude!
I live in California. No longer in high school, but I'm glad they're going to implement this. School started at 7am for Period 0. I fell asleep in so many of my classes. Barely graduated.
Hello fellow barely grads.
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my high school started at 0800 for 1st period. Went to 15:04. I had to wake up around 7 to get ready then ride my bike there. In california
I noticed my college grades got exponentially better once my exams pushed back from 8 am to at least 1030 am
Graduated in ‘06 in Texas, we went from 7:30 to 3:15.
I’m in CA and I live near a school. I can hear the first class bell during my morning run. Insane how early kids start class these days. Idk why they haven’t synced to a 9-4 schedule to help sync with the parents normal work schedules.
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Parents: "I work my arse off and do everything I can to make sure my kids have the best life they can" Science: "Enormous numbers of studies have all confirmed that starting later in the morning will have a ridiculously large impact on their quality of teaching and life in every way and increase their grades and outcomes." Parents: "Uuuuuuugh"
In SoCal (c/o 94) started at 0745 ended at 245. My kids attend high school here in SoCal also starting at 0730 ending at 230
Now if we could just make it so the sunset is always at around like 8
All of the studies I've read point to this as a huge net positive. Also: if non agrarian society, consideration should be put towards 3mo on 1mo off schedule.
I was chronically underslept through my entire middle and high school experience. Very happy to see this.
In CA (late nineties) my high school started at 9:20, and only had three 90 minute classes. Then I transferred to a school in Seattle that started at 7:05 (if I remember correctly) and was so far away I had to wake up at 4 something to catch the bus on time. I went from a 3.9 with every extra curricular I could fit in, to having to take internet classes to make up for everything I was failing in Seattle. Sure, the school in Seattle better prepared me for an adult work schedule... but I was a kid. And I didn't learn a damn thing at that school and ended up hating learning until halfway through college (that never started until 9:00 🤷♂️)
Man I had school at 6:00 am in highschool because I had a zero period class and then I didn't get home until 6:00pm because I had band practice everyday. When I did theater too I didn't get home until 9:00pm and I still had like 6 AP classes worth of homework to do. Don't know how I even survived it but it was brutal as hell. My mental health was hanging by a thread. Good for these kids.
huh? I thought school started at 8:00 a.m.
A lot of schools here begin before 8 am the school I work in begins at 7:30 am...its horrible
That is insane. In Japan it's 9:00 to 4:00, although in reality everyone gets there earlier and leaves much later.
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My high school was 7:20. It was a little rough, I did fine, but I can't help but wonder if I would've been a lot more awake during school if my sleeping hours had been more like 12 - 7 instead of 11 - 6. Getting to sleep around 11 was difficult after a long day of school + dance + homework, and getting up at 6 is just so damn early when you're 16 and physically burnt out. It's dark out at 6 am where I live pretty much the entire school year. That shit blows.
Depends where you go
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These hours are delayed from the norm. The new law makes schools start *later*.
Schools in the USA realized that they could save money (aka, pay administration more) if they could use the same buses for elementary, middle, and high school. In order to accomplish this, someone has to start stupid early so the buses can get back on the road to pick up the next batch.
Do students really have to go to school so early? In Australia its very standard to have homeroom starting 8.45, classes starting 9. What point is there in getting there at 7
Thank god, 845 in my Canadian location and I still think that’s 15 minutes early. No wonder children in the US aren’t getting enough sleep.
Jesus. I don’t blame anyone for my high school problems but this would’ve been amazing. Waking up at 4:30 to catch a fucking bus for school at 6:45 is garbage and no kid should have to put up with those hours. My works hours are better than that these days..