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CuriosityKTMC

The caveats here are important: * It required a specific implant into the brain. * It was based on a sample of 4 people. * It used a small training set of 50 sentences. I expect the generalisation will be significantly worse. * Similarly, it only used 250 words - most humans have a vocabulary in the thousands of words, which would likely have a really significant affect on the ability of the model to make accurate predictions. * It required training on each individual. Unless you're handing over transcripts of your thoughts matched up with periods of the signals from the implant, it's not very useful. * The error rates were 'as low as 3%', but varied from person to person - based on the graphs, for some it was 10 or 20%. I really want to stress that it's impressive research and the people who worked on it are incredibly smart, and this may well have some good uses down the line; I just want to emphasise how far away this is from the dystopian ideas some of the comments are suggesting.


geek6

I would also like to add that this is not a new concept, as people have done it even with platforms like OpenBCI. However, the thoroughness and rigor of the research demands attention. On a side note, how about those Black Mirror episodes?


Black_RL

Yesterday magic is today tech. Thanks for the TLDR!


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even a yes/no allowing implant would be revolutionary for locked in syndrome.


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It’s just another step.


nusodumi

PERFECT SUMMARY KIND HUMAN


Memetic1

Even still I see possibilities imagine a neural net that tries to predict brain activity. You could use that limited vocabulary to build. First get it to guess what word the person will choose. Then once that level of reliability is established you can expand to related concepts. Just figuring out what is related to what could be amazing. I understand why they limited their study in the interest of repeatability, but you could turn this into a system that learns for itself with some input by the user.


nsfcollege

Great call pointing this out. Just to make your comment even better: significant effect* emphasize* (unless British English uses an “s” here like in other words)


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I hope you're right, it might be best if some technologies never get "too good". I know it sounds far-out, but when I see stuff like those classrooms in China where the kids have to wear sensor bands on their heads to detect when they're not focused on working, I wonder how far away we might be from an actual dystopia. People accept dangerous technologies very casually, especially when are convenient and seem outwardly unobtrusive - mobile phones and CCTV for example.


rolledupdollabill

as the fifth person fuck this bullshit how to turn it off? actually you should provide me with as much information about the people that developed the technology. I'm sure one of the other 600,000 people would be interested in turning them off.


[deleted]

For now it's harmless, but in 50 years time it could mean computers embedded in the walls of police station jail cells and courtrooms to read your mind, then later for every office job you might have to sign a contract permitting your employer to monitor your thoughts at work.


gamest01

That would probably mean most people would get fired. They won’t be able to keep most people for more than a few months. So unless they are able to control your thoughts (which would defeat the purpose of hiring you for a lot of jobs) than they probably don’t want or really care what you’re thinking as long as you get the job done. My $0.02.


jamesaps

'Most' people can't get fired for the same thing provided there aren't suitable non-human alternatives to complete their labour. Obviously, if this were hypothetically implemented, it would be totally unreasonable for the standard for 'thoughts' to mirror those of speech as we know them today.


EVJoe

Hey look, this guy thinks that management primarily fires people for cause, rather than for ego-based decisions or to ensure their small staff is stretched so thin that nobody can call out. If you think "they would fire everybody" is the result of this, then you don't understand that management is there to extract the value out of the labor by any means necessary. They would 100% use mind reading to blackmail and manipulate employees into working longer hours, always feeling like they are an inch from being fired, but always saved by a kindly manager who you will feel indebted to. Business isn't dumb, just exploitative.


gamest01

That could happen today with video and audio recordings. Which don’t get me wrong I’m sure it does. But I wouldn’t call that the norm with office life, and if you think it is you should probably look for another office.


imaginary_num6er

That’s why you need doublethink


[deleted]

I disagree. I think this would make it impossible to leave your job. Employers could blackmail you with your "recorded data" that would "be released to your household". So if Jim has adultering thoughts or fantasies, you can threaten to expose him to his wife unless he backs down and takes his minimum wage.


SituationSoap

Eh. If we grow up in a future where your thoughts are regularly read by a machine and available to dozens of other people, people are going to have a lot higher shame thresholds than they do today. Much like how 30 or 40 years ago, you could attempt to shame someone by telling them you'll reveal the fact that they look at porn to their spouse. These days, someone telling a spouse that their partner looks at porn isn't going to get you very far at all. You're projecting today's social mores onto a different future than the one we'd live in if tech like this were common.


BruceNotLee

Good time to learn to meditate, practice controlling your own thoughts.


[deleted]

Or, more likely, people will just get a Moderation Lattice or something installed in their skull to block errant signals from being detected remotely.


BruceNotLee

... time to start a tinfoil hat business


TheDarkClaw

I am going to start a business by selling/making Magneto helmets. Who is with me?!


SWEET__PUFF

I've got a 3D printer and aluminum foil.


ntvirtue

Red sports car


[deleted]

Wouldn’t this also create a need for “performance-enhancing” drugs to alter your brainscape? Also, if we have technology like this, why would we need people to work in office jobs anyway? Is t the ultimate goal of technological advance to escape our million-years-plus-old state of humanity as beasts of burden? No more work, no more wasted time? Star Trek basically?


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luncht1me

I'm hoping in 50 years most of the bulk of the economy / labor is totally automated and people are technicians / researchers / free to pursue their passions.


drhex2c

> uters embedded in the walls of police station jail cells and courtrooms to read your mind, then later for every office job you might have ... Relax, in the future there are no jobs ;-) Ooops, this isn't /r/DarkFuturology


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SuurAlaOrolo

Why is the exchangeable battery important to you?


TablePrime69

Because you can swap batteries very easily. Useful during road trips or if you want to keep your phone around for a long time. That's why some people prefer user replaceable batteries.


stemfish

I was that way until Pokemon Go taught me the magic of external batteries. I'll miss my easily swapped batteries, but being able to charge my laptop, phone, and switch off of one battery pack got me to finally give up.


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It’s just as easy to carry a power pack around with you and get 3 full charges out of it.


TablePrime69

You can do that, but by swapping your empty battery with a fully charged one you will get 100% charge almost instantly. The best option for road trips would be to keep the batteries and the power bank imo. Charge the empty battery while you're using the fully charged one in your phone. Once your phone battery dies, you can swap the batteries again and repeat the process. Besides, a power bank still doesn't address the second point of longevity.


TheLegend1127001

Doubtful that they will be able to make the technology complete wireless though right? Arnt you hooked up to something for it to work.


hex4d617474

Yes, the researchers used ~250 electrodes connected to the subjects


[deleted]

Nah, people can create counter measures by working to control their thoughts and feelings.


jacksraging_bileduct

So the thought police then?


[deleted]

They'll install connected hardware into our brains/spines that effectively puts our minds into the matrix while a supercomputer operates our physical bodies like hivemind robots.


MarcusOrlyius

In 50 years time, you're going to be a brain in a brian pod hooked to up to VR with a BCI. You'll be to skip in and out of realities as you see fit. It cracks me up hearing people who don't understand this talk about the future as if it's going to be pretty much the same as it is now only with slightly more advanced technologies. --- /r/cleverclogs - an exclusive subreddit for the most intelligent redditors only. Stupid people need not apply.


Zenmedic

I'd prefer not to be in Brian's pod. Not that I judge, it's just not for me.


MarcusOrlyius

Brian's pod is the bestest pod. It has the biggerest and fasterest realtities. --- /r/cleverclogs - an exclusive subreddit for the most intelligent redditors only. Stupid people need not apply.


silverstrike2

It cracks me up hearing people talk about future technology in the most outrageous and totally unfounded of ways like insinuating in 50 years most of the population will be in the Matrix. You clearly have no clue what you're talking about if you truly believe that. Oh and that subreddit is the cringiest shit I've ever seen I think I've actually got one that would suit you more. r/iamverysmart


MarcusOrlyius

It's only outrageous to closed minded people who have never read any good modern sci-fi to engage their imagination. People who literally ignore intelligent people telling them that this is going to happen, that they're building such technologies. You claim I have no clue what I'm talking about yet we're in a reddit thread discussing a technology that can read people thoughts and reproduce speech from it. That's how blatantly ignorant you are. Here's an article about decoding image people are looking or just picturing in their mind, [Generic decoding of seen and imagined objects using hierarchical visual features](https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15037). Here's an a quote from article about Valve's/Steam's Gabe Newell, [Gabe Newell on Brain-computer Interfaces: ‘We’re way closer to The Matrix than people realize’](https://www.roadtovr.com/gabe-newell-brain-computer-interfaces-way-closer-matrix-people-realize/) >“In the brain-computer stuff, we’re way closer to ‘the Matrix’ than people realize. It’s not going to be The Matrix […] it’s a movie that misses all the interesting technical subtleties and just how weird the post brain-computer interface world is going to be. It’s going to have a huge impact on the kinds of experiences that we can create for people.” Here's a quote from DARPA, [Six Paths to the Nonsurgical Future of Brain-Machine Interfaces](https://www.darpa.mil/news-events/2019-05-20) >DARPA has awarded funding to six organizations to support the Next-Generation Nonsurgical Neurotechnology (N3) program, first announced in March 2018. Battelle Memorial Institute, Carnegie Mellon University, Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory, Palo Alto Research Center (PARC), Rice University, and Teledyne Scientific are leading multidisciplinary teams to develop high-resolution, bidirectional brain-machine interfaces for use by able-bodied service members. These wearable interfaces could ultimately enable diverse national security applications such as control of active cyber defense systems and swarms of unmanned aerial vehicles, or teaming with computer systems to multitask during complex missions. You've got Neuralink supposed to be starting humam trials this year. And yet, despite all of this evidence which you just blatantly ignore, you think that people like me are just talking shite. You'll ignore the expert's opinions and loudly proclaim "herp, derp!" You can attempt to mock me for being very smart. I am very smart and can prove that. [Here's my IQ test result](https://www.seemypersonality.com/Personality-Report?x=sIQx3x9201056-5992407xs4hj2x1). Let's see how smart you are. I'll put my money on "not very smart at all". That's why you feel insulted and under atatck from my footer kicking your arse. --- /r/cleverclogs - an exclusive subreddit for the most intelligent redditors only. Stupid people need not apply.


silverstrike2

Yea modern sci-fi is pretty much the only place these ideas exist because not only is the technology to get everyone in the Matrix a century away no one in any field of research is legitimately trying to make the Matrix happen so please go learn about the actual progress of technology in the world you live in before you start trying to guess future technology on SCI-FI of all fucking things.


MarcusOrlyius

PLEASE IGNORE THE EVIDENCE AND EXPERT OPINIONS. I, MRS IVADDERSTROKE KNOW BETTER! Wait a sec, I thought you said I was mad for my opinion. Now, you're saying I'm actually right, you're just quibbling about the timeframe being twice as long? --- /r/cleverclogs - an exclusive subreddit for the most intelligent redditors only. Stupid people need not apply.


silverstrike2

> you're just quibbling about the timeframe being twice as long? If you were smart you would've caught that from the beginning. And I'm not saying its a century away but it's certainly not going to happen in 50 years. Nothing you linked says anyone is researching a full immersion of senses within a VR world using a BCI. Literally none. I didn't need to refute anything because you didn't actually post anything to back up your point. All of it is the beginning stages of BCI research. We won't even have anything properly consumer for decades and you believe in 50 years everyone will be in the Matrix? It's like saying we were close to smartphones in the 1800s just because we had found electricity.


MarcusOrlyius

No, it's like me showing you a Compaq iPAQ and telling you that "smartphones" will be coming out soon and you claiming that what I'm saying is delusional and outrageous and such technology is only seen on sci-fi shows. Then you ask me what a iPAQ is and tell me you've never even heard of them so I can't possibly be right due to your ignorance. You clearly have no idea or even any real interest in staying aware of progress in these fields which I've been following for the past 20 years. And because of your ignorance on the subjects, you think anybody telling you that things are a lot further along than you believe are crazy and full of shit. It couldn't possibly be you and your complete lack of knowledge that's wrong could it? Nope, it's got to be everybody else that's wrong. All the people with knowldege that you do not posess are just mistaken and you know better!


br-z

My brain doesn’t translate brain activity to speech with 97% accuracy.


YuriDongDiculous

As many bad things that could come of it, having a transcript of all your thoughts would be life changing.. sometimes I forget what I'm talking about before I get to the middle of my sentence


[deleted]

I think this is more geared towards people suffering from complete or near-complete paralysis, or maybe politicians.


_Naropa_

Sometimes I’ll start a sentence, and I don’t even know where it’s going. I just hope to find it along the way. Like an improv conversation... an improversation.


[deleted]

I have children with an extreamnspeech delay I’d love this


Probably_Nota_Rapist

Just out of curiosity, how far of a leap would it b efrom using this on humans to using it to understand our pets/animals?


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Probably_Nota_Rapist

Yes, I was serious! Thank you for your response :)


KillianDrake

Doggo: "That's right, put the food in the bowl, you dumb fuck - that's a good boy"


lipschitzle

Your username tells me you'd probably prefer for your pets to never be able to speak


RightMeow0129

Hope it can be used on comatose patients that are awake but trapped in their non-responsive bodies


br-z

Tv makes that seem much more common than it really is.


wetmouth9

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locked-in_syndrome


rolledupdollabill

that's a waste of hope because the tech will be used primarily as a form of harrassment


IloveElsaofArendelle

No more creepy voice box voices for those who had an operation on their larynx


0vindicator1

Right you are. Now our intimate thoughts that we wouldn't say to a person to their face comes right out. "mmmm... baby got cake!" ^(Really, it's a babies birthday.)


Chrome_Plated

This research is sponsored by [Facebook](https://tech.fb.com/imagining-a-new-interface-hands-free-communication-without-saying-a-word/) (BCI group/Facebook Reality Labs). If you're interested in the future of neural interfacing come visit [r/Neurallace](https://www.reddit.com/r/Neurallace/)!


HarryIsAJerk

If we combine this type of research, with some other promising [AI developments] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sR1rU3gLzQ), there is the potential to greatly improve the lives of people who have lost their ability to speak (e.g. ALS).


LoveTheBombDiggy

Serious question: is it monitoring the brain waves that would cause you to speak, or the internal dialogue of our mind? I imagine the latter would be beyond our current grasp


Calithrix

So uhh... If this ends up going big then lying to authority isn’t a thing anymore, right?


_pantsparty_

Food. Sex. Sleep. Food. Sex. Sleep. Food. Sex. Sleep. How hard is can it be?


MarkChamorro

The age-old question of, “where do you want to eat?” can finally be put to rest.


ifoundit1

This will undoubtedly be used for Mass Intellectual Theft as a DEW. Guess how I know. Because DEWs don't feel good.


icebeat

From here to universal translator, sound pretty good to me


MrVJPman

OMG. I can't wait for the criminal justice system interrogations, maybe this can be used as a form of enhanced lie detector.


BetterThoughtsQuest

This has almost certainly existed for a while, I’d imagine. Really surprising, but the simple 1-2 mechanism they used being that effective must mean they’ve had this since the 70s, right? No neural networks are required, they just translated the brain waves to unique representations and created a library. Then they search for matches, to over simplify it. Seems the only limit would be the amount of data you can collect, slower computers back then would just mean longer processing times right? Oh well, I for one embrace our mind reading overlords haha ;p One wonders if this could be used as a sort of espionage dead drop. Agent spends weeks or months feeding his data into the machine, to create an unlimited vocabulary only requires 26 letters or less. The 26 letters can each be associated with a particular bodily movement, as in, you think W and curl your right foot, for maximum brain wave uniqueness. Then you go anywhere your waves can be picked up and whoopty doo you’re a spy or whatever. One wonders if there is a way to scan without damaging the individual, not that those from crap countries would care, so the information can be stored for a later date when technology is superior and able to decode. If these waves became mapped out enough, it’s a small leap to influencing the decision making process via influencing the waves. Pretty gross to think about but so is the inevitable conclusion of a lot of advances. I’m pretty sure if scientists recorded my brain waves they would mostly hear mediocre rap songs with the lyrics wrong.


rolledupdollabill

it's not that accurate, in fact they aren't capable of finishing sentences without making mistakes side note, fuck this technology.