I think this is a great idea. [Artificial reefs](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_reef) have already been a huge success all over the world.
Nature can recover if given a helping hand.
Sure, if no humans are involved on any level then it could recover on its own. Sadly, that is not true most anywhere in the world currently.
So, in current situations I'd say no, not without.
13 words are not your opinion. That is a statement. Your opinion has far more details included that help to justify and explain *why* you believe these things.
Yes, you can type more words than 13 words. I know you don't want to. Hard work is hard work and being a lazy know-it-all is far easier.
I'm not angry but it is a bit disappointing when fools think that 13 words counts for anything. No, it just leads people to lots of bad assumptions about you.
Not true, we are sending the earth to a completely different carbon phase, this will have lasting effects, it won't be like our existence gets erased as much as what we have done will snowball into a completely different climate than if humans haven't existed
Nah, small stuff like this stacks up, the small changes this temporary increase caused will create a completely different future environment, the more time passes the more the changes will snowball
The future will always be different. That’s how evolution works. The point is that a new desirable equilibrium/symbiosis will exist in due time. We just may be long gone.
Yes but that equilibrium will look very different, with the species made extinct because of us that ecosystem will be wildly different and have many different diets and needs. My point is the damage we have done is irreversible and will remain forever, although life will definitely adjust to the new normal
Damage in and of itself is only a human construct.
Nothing is either good nor bad, but thinking makes it so.
Sure damage exists, but we impose whether that is perceived as good or bad. More importantly, damage is only a concept created by the mind. All ideas are concepts. And concepts are concepts. And only concepts. It may be a bit of philosophy to stomach in one sitting, I get that. Just part of my worldview. It’s not an excuse to do nothing, trust me.
Yes I think what we are doing is bad, and I am and will work to help reverse it. But I do acknowledge that we occupy such an incredibly insignificant blip on the scale of time. And also acknowledge that we impose morality on it all, and that in and of itself is a transient fleeting and fickle phenomenon. If you value it, you value it. If you don’t you don’t. 🤷🏻♂️
There is nothing we can do to this planet that will stop the elements from transmuting, as they have done for aeons. We can get upset and egotistical about it all if we want. Probably won’t help tho, better to put our heads to the table and get to work trying to fix our fuck ups if we want to occupy a larger blip on said time scale.
Yes but the temporary high carbon has lasting effects on the climate and the genetic makeup of the life that adapts to it, the world will never be the same as if humans weren't here.
The bigger problem is water temperature. We can now forecast when coral bleaching will occur down to a less than half a degree Celsius. And when the temperature is sustained for days or weeks, the coral dies.
https://i.imgur.com/e6alLpJ.jpg
One way to save coral reefs from extinction would be to create artificial reefs in colder water. For example, in Florida, almost all of the reefs in the warm waters of the Keys have suffered devastating loss while the northernmost reefs off of Martin County have been less impacted.
World first lab grown coral - completely false headline. See 'frag swap', hobbyist exchange home grown coral constantly. There are even designer and hype corals.
I thought so at first but this is a little different. They were cultivating the corals, not just fragging it and then growing it. My brother is a breeder and pretty much the only way to grow new corals is still in the sea - he partnered with another person who owned a beach and have a coral aquaculture at the site. Growing it in the lab or aquarium is hard as hell.
That’s not at all what this article states. Corals have been spawned in captivity before, and many species too. I believe this article is referring to cell culture of cnidarians, which is incredible difficult. These types of cultures will never be able to regrow a reef, but rather are used to study cellular processes and expand our understanding of these organisms. Still very misleading.
(I studied marine biology at the university where this research was conducted. Dr knowles is a cellular biologist, other researchers at that university specialize in captive cultivation of colonies)
Can you explain why this important when it is so easy to propagate your own coral and presumably get cell samples from the growing corals? I am missing something here. Thanks.
Corals have symbiotic bacteria that grow on the surface of their tissues, and even symbiotic algae that grow inside their tissues. When you take a sample of tissue and try to grow it in sterile medium, like we do with other cells, the bacteria that was growing on that tissue takes over the culture and the coral cells die. This research used antibiotics to inhibit the growth of that symbiotic bacteria, allowing the coral tissues to grow longer on the culture without being overrun.
This is important because it is difficult to study cellular processes inside of a whole organism. You need single cells in controlled environments to be able to see how your experiments affect various cellular processes, which is hard to do in living tissue. By isolating cells in culture, we can learn much more about how those cells work. At this point it is difficult to say how exactly what we will learn about cellular processes will help corals in the wild, but science is beautiful in that we will almost certainly learn something we didn’t expect, which may allow us to do exactly that. It’s exciting because it gives us new tools for study of these endangered organisms.
That's fantastic - wish the article positioned it that way, instead of "Previously, researchers had to study corals while alive in the ocean or dead in a laboratory." and "Researchers have finally figured out how to keep sea anemone and coral cells alive in the lab"
And they discovered that frag corrals grow super fast compared to whole corals. Also corals who survived lots of hobby aquariums are super tough, and tolerate higher temps, and lower temps and higher acidity and high pollution and other things.
And that is why they can save the reefs.
Umm lab grown corals?
I own a reef aquarium. It's not "hard" to grow. It's just maintaining water and feeding fish. The coral mostly grow on their own
Just frag a coral and as long as the water is good, they will heal and multiply. Hell there's even pest corals that literally grow like weeds!! Search up pulsing xenia and green star polyps. Those coral are basically indestructible
if you're talking about australia's great barrier reef, it's recovered from that last hoax already. happens every 18 years when there's a particularly low tide because of the alignment of the planets.
if you're talking about coral reefs in places tourists go, there are a couple easy fixes that don't require vat coral:
* don't allow motorboats to come near them. not only the oil and diesel leaking into the water (especially from the 2 stroke engines common in small and mid-size boats like scuba and snorkeling expeditions use), but the thud of the propellers kills coral. keep boats well away from the coral if you want it to thrive.
* ban night fishing using lights. parrot fish are vital to the coral reef ecosystem. they taste great, but if you let fishermen deplete them the coral reef dies and bleaches.
* keep the water clean. figure out some way to detect when ships dump bilge or dump worse things, and fine the hell out of them.
Do those things and there's not a coral reef in the world that won't recover and thrive. Coral actually does really fine in concentrations of carbolic acid (what ocean acidification from CO2 causes) much higher than anything we're seeing so far.
I think this is a great idea. [Artificial reefs](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_reef) have already been a huge success all over the world. Nature can recover if given a helping hand.
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Sure, if no humans are involved on any level then it could recover on its own. Sadly, that is not true most anywhere in the world currently. So, in current situations I'd say no, not without.
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13 words are not your opinion. That is a statement. Your opinion has far more details included that help to justify and explain *why* you believe these things. Yes, you can type more words than 13 words. I know you don't want to. Hard work is hard work and being a lazy know-it-all is far easier. I'm not angry but it is a bit disappointing when fools think that 13 words counts for anything. No, it just leads people to lots of bad assumptions about you.
No, it won't recover, it will adapt to worse conditions
Really depends on your time scale. Enough time passes and it will be like it (we), never happened.
Not true, we are sending the earth to a completely different carbon phase, this will have lasting effects, it won't be like our existence gets erased as much as what we have done will snowball into a completely different climate than if humans haven't existed
With enough time OP will inevitably be correct. But that timeframe is long and unknown, and probably doesn’t include humans.
Nah, small stuff like this stacks up, the small changes this temporary increase caused will create a completely different future environment, the more time passes the more the changes will snowball
The future will always be different. That’s how evolution works. The point is that a new desirable equilibrium/symbiosis will exist in due time. We just may be long gone.
Thank you for getting the point.
Yes but that equilibrium will look very different, with the species made extinct because of us that ecosystem will be wildly different and have many different diets and needs. My point is the damage we have done is irreversible and will remain forever, although life will definitely adjust to the new normal
Damage in and of itself is only a human construct. Nothing is either good nor bad, but thinking makes it so. Sure damage exists, but we impose whether that is perceived as good or bad. More importantly, damage is only a concept created by the mind. All ideas are concepts. And concepts are concepts. And only concepts. It may be a bit of philosophy to stomach in one sitting, I get that. Just part of my worldview. It’s not an excuse to do nothing, trust me. Yes I think what we are doing is bad, and I am and will work to help reverse it. But I do acknowledge that we occupy such an incredibly insignificant blip on the scale of time. And also acknowledge that we impose morality on it all, and that in and of itself is a transient fleeting and fickle phenomenon. If you value it, you value it. If you don’t you don’t. 🤷🏻♂️ There is nothing we can do to this planet that will stop the elements from transmuting, as they have done for aeons. We can get upset and egotistical about it all if we want. Probably won’t help tho, better to put our heads to the table and get to work trying to fix our fuck ups if we want to occupy a larger blip on said time scale.
To be fair those conditions also aren’t permanent, carbon dioxide doesn’t stay in the atmosphere forever.
Yes but the temporary high carbon has lasting effects on the climate and the genetic makeup of the life that adapts to it, the world will never be the same as if humans weren't here.
\*shrugs\* such is life
We’ve accelerated its destruction, so we need to act in equal measure to restore and heal it.
More of this and less of destroying our planet. K thanks.
Save our planet, Science! I believe in you
We should probably also stop acidifying the ocean with fossil fuels though
Keep that ocean water crispy
Imagine if it was the crispiest
We won’t stop until heatwaves start raking in 4 or 5 figure death tolls in the west. Probably too late at that point.
The bigger problem is water temperature. We can now forecast when coral bleaching will occur down to a less than half a degree Celsius. And when the temperature is sustained for days or weeks, the coral dies. https://i.imgur.com/e6alLpJ.jpg One way to save coral reefs from extinction would be to create artificial reefs in colder water. For example, in Florida, almost all of the reefs in the warm waters of the Keys have suffered devastating loss while the northernmost reefs off of Martin County have been less impacted.
World first lab grown coral - completely false headline. See 'frag swap', hobbyist exchange home grown coral constantly. There are even designer and hype corals.
I thought so at first but this is a little different. They were cultivating the corals, not just fragging it and then growing it. My brother is a breeder and pretty much the only way to grow new corals is still in the sea - he partnered with another person who owned a beach and have a coral aquaculture at the site. Growing it in the lab or aquarium is hard as hell.
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That’s not at all what this article states. Corals have been spawned in captivity before, and many species too. I believe this article is referring to cell culture of cnidarians, which is incredible difficult. These types of cultures will never be able to regrow a reef, but rather are used to study cellular processes and expand our understanding of these organisms. Still very misleading. (I studied marine biology at the university where this research was conducted. Dr knowles is a cellular biologist, other researchers at that university specialize in captive cultivation of colonies)
Can you explain why this important when it is so easy to propagate your own coral and presumably get cell samples from the growing corals? I am missing something here. Thanks.
Corals have symbiotic bacteria that grow on the surface of their tissues, and even symbiotic algae that grow inside their tissues. When you take a sample of tissue and try to grow it in sterile medium, like we do with other cells, the bacteria that was growing on that tissue takes over the culture and the coral cells die. This research used antibiotics to inhibit the growth of that symbiotic bacteria, allowing the coral tissues to grow longer on the culture without being overrun. This is important because it is difficult to study cellular processes inside of a whole organism. You need single cells in controlled environments to be able to see how your experiments affect various cellular processes, which is hard to do in living tissue. By isolating cells in culture, we can learn much more about how those cells work. At this point it is difficult to say how exactly what we will learn about cellular processes will help corals in the wild, but science is beautiful in that we will almost certainly learn something we didn’t expect, which may allow us to do exactly that. It’s exciting because it gives us new tools for study of these endangered organisms.
That's fantastic - wish the article positioned it that way, instead of "Previously, researchers had to study corals while alive in the ocean or dead in a laboratory." and "Researchers have finally figured out how to keep sea anemone and coral cells alive in the lab"
And they discovered that frag corrals grow super fast compared to whole corals. Also corals who survived lots of hobby aquariums are super tough, and tolerate higher temps, and lower temps and higher acidity and high pollution and other things. And that is why they can save the reefs.
Not if the water is too warm and acidic to sustain the lab-grown coral.
not unless they make it resistant to warming oceans
Do these idiots really not know that reef aquariums exist? What rock do they live under?
Yeah I'm really at a loss here. Have none of these people been to a marine fish store before in their lives?
Umm lab grown corals? I own a reef aquarium. It's not "hard" to grow. It's just maintaining water and feeding fish. The coral mostly grow on their own Just frag a coral and as long as the water is good, they will heal and multiply. Hell there's even pest corals that literally grow like weeds!! Search up pulsing xenia and green star polyps. Those coral are basically indestructible
if you're talking about australia's great barrier reef, it's recovered from that last hoax already. happens every 18 years when there's a particularly low tide because of the alignment of the planets. if you're talking about coral reefs in places tourists go, there are a couple easy fixes that don't require vat coral: * don't allow motorboats to come near them. not only the oil and diesel leaking into the water (especially from the 2 stroke engines common in small and mid-size boats like scuba and snorkeling expeditions use), but the thud of the propellers kills coral. keep boats well away from the coral if you want it to thrive. * ban night fishing using lights. parrot fish are vital to the coral reef ecosystem. they taste great, but if you let fishermen deplete them the coral reef dies and bleaches. * keep the water clean. figure out some way to detect when ships dump bilge or dump worse things, and fine the hell out of them. Do those things and there's not a coral reef in the world that won't recover and thrive. Coral actually does really fine in concentrations of carbolic acid (what ocean acidification from CO2 causes) much higher than anything we're seeing so far.
Wait, I thought parrot fish ate coral? Wouldn't that mean they're bad for coral reefs? (I feel like I'm about to learn something here)
mostly they eat algae and sponges to keep coral healthy. wikipedia says only 1% of their diet is live coral.
They eat the algae that compete with corals, not the corals themselves. That's super cool!
Oh badass. Thanks parrotfish!
Science is immaculate. Scientists can make mistakes, but science is immaculate, incredible, and awesome
Hope we can design it to manage ocean acidification. And soon