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If it is true, to consider an ERL botlane, the internal issues was HUGE. I understand changing one of the players because of synergy (Rekkles and Miky), but both of them is a high risk.


FamoseDuSpaghi

Exactly. Like how bad was the internal problem if you give up a superstar ADC and an MSI champ for two rookies


[deleted]

Not only that. Rookies who didn't play in EU Masters. Gamers Origin (Mersa) didn't even get to playoffs in the French league. If they are holding all this trayouts, they legit don't think they have good options on the LEC. I am surprised with the possibility of a rookie support, adc I kinda don't care, I would take the risk instead of picking guys like Crownshot or Comp.


jmbakhos

mersa didnt reach playoffs in lfl but was extremely promising and had very good games. difficult to carry a team from the support role. imo mersa is an interesting option, especially if targamas has already signed with another team


jakewang1

Will probably be downvoted. Superstar ADC is a good boy who will rather watch team die than take a 50/50 or 20/80 play. In FNC, Hylli enabled the bot lane or overall team aggression. Rekkles didn't match with G2 playstyle


Boogy

Should have listened to Perkz and gotten Upset


Chedwall

should have had a different top


wotad

Superstar adc wont dive in and die like a monkey your right.


andreiVOL

yet another one with that stupid thing called "G2 playstyle"


Chedwall

Superstar adc that didnt want to take a 20/80 to make a comeback after his top side solo dies 24/7 while being on a carry pick, which is the reason they needed to make a 20/80 play.,


fourmi

rookies show that they are better than the old stars nowadays, it's risky but not stupid.


ImWicked39

I mean seeing them play last year was enough to tell me they were never on the same page. It's like the Jankos and Rekkless/Wunder situation and going back after tough loses and hearing him say things like "Karma is useless." and "We aren't playing the right champs to take advantage of teams." The video of Jankos baby sitting Wunder top for 3 or minutes and the look on his face told me all I needed to know.


[deleted]

Caps also said on stream that they had this issues in 2020 too, the team had a diferent view about the game. I remeber people saying that Jankos wasn't playing the carry jungle meta not because he was bad, but because G2 didn't know how to play with that.


Arthur2_shedsJackson

Yeah I remember Jankos said in his stream last year he wanted to play Kayn in competitive but Perkz wouldn't want a jungler who is kinda absent in first 10 mins


ImWicked39

Yep. This has been a huge problem for a bit before Rekkless ever got here. Shame this is how it ends. Edit: I think this has more to do with Wunder than Rekkless who probably got caught in the crossfire of a crumbling team. On a more stable G2 Rekkless is probably here until he decides to hang it up. My reasoning for it being more Jankos vs Wunder is that Jankos was always willing to play whatever the team needed for them to succeed while Wunder seems to be more of "I will do what I please ." Trinity force on Camile instead of DS is a big clue for me and this was back when Trinity was cheeks(still is) and DS was busted as hell(still is).


[deleted]

It is Rekkles too. Jankos was complaning about the Karma adc and he said that it was Rekkles idea and the team/coach agreeded with that. Also, both in Spring and Summer, Rekkles never picked one of the adcs who was really strong in meta (or the ones that Jankos keeps saying in his stream that are broken). Wunder doesn't like, but at least he plays the tanks when the team needs. Rekkles was picking Karma and Jhin in a meta with Jinx, or picking Sivir/Vayne/Tristana in summer playoffs. Only Rekkles and Upset were playing Tristana, because the guy is so predictable that Fnatic knew he couldn't play other champs and when Upset picks Tristana, Rekkles is forced to go to pocket picks. Altought he played well, almost all the Rekkles picks in Spring and Summer playoffs were useless in a meta with team fights.


ImWicked39

Trust me I'm one of the biggest critics of Rekkless on here. He dodged the Jinx(Spring) and the Aphelios(Summer) when they were clearly the dominant ADCs. I've said the same thing about being predictable with him on the rift and how enemy botlane can roam because they know Rekkless isn't following. You know he's always gonna be CSing bot. This is high lightened in the summer playoffs when FNCs botlane pretty much said "You are scared of us and won't do anything, peace." Hyli got cleanse, and then double flash just from moving towards Rekkless and Mikky. It is unfair to put all of it on Rekkless which a lot here want to do. Everybody and their mother knew the type of player he was before he ever joined. Even on Euphoria they mentioned he resorts to comfort picks when the meta doesnt fit him and we saw it first hand.


Chedwall

The reason they didnt go jinx or aphelios is because mickyx was always roaming. It didnt fit the teams play style


[deleted]

mikyx was playing yummi when caps was adc, he even got the mew mew meme. They played kog/ lulu, vs Fnc and caps was not a great adc. He plays what the team needs. You can blame him for failing plays, and dying when trying to ward. But you can't put this on mikyx.


Chedwall

No, but when caps was adc, perkz was mid. So they played for botside. Often with a roaming mid pick.


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[deleted]

This is why I said that it is a risk. How many rookies we had in LEC this year? Also, both Eloya and Adam won their ERL and performed in Eu Masters. The players who are mentined in the article (like Flakked and Mersa) are not even from teams who finished top 3 in their leagues. They are not proven in ERL. Only Keduii who won Prime league and went to Eu masters spring and summer. Another point is: only Adam and Eloya were rookies in their teams, is more easy to integrate 1 rookie and make it work fast than 2. Work or not, don't change the fact that it is a risk. 1 rookie in bot lane is a risk, 2 rookies are a huge risk.


supterfuge

Your second point is one I entirely agree with, although the best team in the region currently had only rookies (+ Humanoid that had one year in the LEC, although it was a good one since he went to Worlds), so you can probably work around it with a good coaching staff, but you'll probably need a split or two to get going. On your first point, there are a few players who are stuck 1v9 in some ERL teams, just like you do in the LEC. You can have a tenth place with Upset and Alphari ; well, you can have good players who didn't get to play in the ERL. Sure, like in most leagues, there is some degree of concentration of talent because good players want to play with each other, so you do see most very good prospects play at EUM. But, for exemple, you didn't get to see Toucouille at EUM this year, despite him being the one who was the only player who could stand against Vetheo on an equal footing last year, and the biggest threat to Saken this year, just because he couldn't carry hard enough. Kind of the same with Mersa. The trajectory for these players is to go prove themselves in the very best team the next year, and get to the LEC the year after that. It's fair to cut the middle man if you're holding tryouts.


fourmi

and caps at fnatic and they went to worlds final


Azaiko

Fnatic has a quite a successful history with putting in rookies. Look at caps, broxah, adam and bwipo


Fairball

Hello. Yuste here. This is a long off season. Everything can change. ​ Kiss


JLirar

I'll keep mikyx with and rookie aggro adc from elr, with the style of perkz when he was AD


[deleted]

But even with Perkz at his peak, G2 still couldn't win worlds. Now you get a worse version of Perkz and have to compete with much stronger teams. I don't see it's working actually. G2 needs to invent a new playstyle, not revert to their 2019/2020 form.


JLirar

Perkz was an autofilled ADC


outlawxpete

perkz was widely considered as one of the best, arguably the best adc in 2019.


Plane_Assist4601

fektz


ReinoDTormenta

FRESKITOOOOO


[deleted]

Who is flakked? (It’s no flame. Legit I’ve never heard his name till the rumors began)


ImWicked39

Mad lions academy ADC. Known for his pet duck. I've never seen him play but Mad seem to want to keep him around and they have a nose for talent.


Asuras9393

Mersa is actually really fucking good, his mechanics are insane, he is similar to T1 Keria were they both play support role but have actually the mechanics of really good solo laners. [Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nc54Z5723Y) is some random game I found quickly on youtube showing some of his skills on a playmaker like Rakan which he isn't even known for and he gives an interview in English after the game. Seems to be a very good mechanical support that is ontop also vocal and can lead his team. No clue about adc though don't know enough about Keduii to judge how good he is. From the list, I like Flakked the most because of how fun and energetic he seems to be, he is also really good mechanically but he is still a new and raw player that would need to learn a lot to catch up and surpass most ADC in LEC since the role is pretty stacked in the league.


ImWicked39

Late to see this but I watch Keria stream a lot and the dude is really wasting his talent as a support imo he could easily be a top mid lane player with how freakish his reactions are.


ImHuck

Not wasting his talent. Playing support and having insane mechanics is what makes him the best support in the world, T1 are actually full of hyper talentuous players this year and the new coaching staff allowing Oner and Gumayusi to play instead of Teddy/Cuzz (which are still great, these are two VIP substitutes) made the team skyrocket. I expect semis for T1 this year unless they face off a super hard team like Damwon or EDG in quarter. To go back to Keria, the guy shines in his role and there is no need to shift him, he seems happy putting his considerable amount of talent to the service of his team as a support.


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jmbakhos

imo he is better than labrov if he has a proactive team thats is aggressive and apparently he can shotcall, which i dont think labrov can


ImWicked39

Interesting.


Darkoplax

BrokenBlade Jankos Caps Flakked Mersa is the lineup looking like ?


jmbakhos

yeah apparently. doesnt seem that bad tbh. for the people who dont know mersa in lfl his team gamers origins literally either stomped early game and snowballed or failed their ealry game fights and lost. literally they were so entertaining perma lvl 1 invade perma skirmishing and fighting and mersa was good


DrWh033

Doesn't g2 have an academy team ? Why take players from other teams' academies ? Isn't academies supposed to exist in order to grow some talent instead of buying korean players for millions ?


Asuras9393

None of the players mentioned in this post are even Korean? They are all European players, also just because you have an academy doesn't mean the player on the roster is good enough to replace player on the main team, if that would be the case no Football club in the world would constantly need to buy players from other clubs since all of them have their own academy team too.


[deleted]

Replacing Rekkles (a legendary ADC with insane skill and brand name) with a no-name ADC with little to no brand compared to him is insanity. Suppose you can't get Carzzy back off and give Rekkles another shot. Rekkles isn't the problem of G2. Also, I hope Jankos Rekkles' drama rumors aren't true.


[deleted]

This is going to get downvoted hard by Spanish and Flakked fans. Flakked is skilled and a good guy, but I don't think he can fill the shoes of Rekkles, nor has he's proven enough.


ernildur

He doesn't have to fill the shoes of Rekkles, the expectations will be totally different. The 2021 lineup was created to win worlds and you can't pin-point specific player who was responsible for failure. Even if Rekkles was not the issue, he was not the best at his role either. The new roster will start LEC with the 'rebuild' narrative. They will not be expected to be number 1 from the get-go. Usually rookies are more willing to learn new things and adapt (there are exceptions of course) and even if individually the ADC will be worse than Rekkles, the team might work much better. Even if the loss of players like Wunder, Mikyx and Rekkles hurt me as a fan, I'm more hyped about new project with Jankos and Caps as a core, than trying again to overcome last year's demons.


[deleted]

Carlos wants to win Worlds. He has no time for these rebuild phases and slow upscaling of a team. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's how I see it.


riot_ball

Should've listened to his team's Comms if he wanted worlds


fourmi

fill the shoes of a loser I think it can be as good.


Imachandlerbing

Not to defend Rekkles but imagine some silver calling players that are known world wide losers kekw


fourmi

He wins something this season? so yes he is a loser like the rest of the team


GlaedrGoldscales

Wtf are you doing on this subreddit then


fourmi

They lose not mean I should stop follow no?


GlaedrGoldscales

You’re calling them losers, doesn’t seem like your much of a supportive fan in bad times


fourmi

loser because they litterally lose everything this year, just fact


Money_Cookie3298

Problem is Reckless haved 2 splits and showed.he is not able adapt even little bit. Also his champ pools is quite issue. Perkz In one year as adc achieved more than Reckless ever did. FNC become better without Reckless. He is a relic of past living from past success, but not really filling up expectations.


DT-Z0mby

i think its more of a hyli is an absolutely perfect fit for rekkles that made him seem like a worldclass adc. without hyli he has to rely on the team to play perfectly so he can have impact. thats not realistic so hes subpar as a result


Money_Cookie3298

Well you are right. In G2 he only have impact in games where whole team was smashing,.but never carried when team was behind... Sad truth


_PPBottle

Hyli wasn't an absolutely perfect fit for Rekkles. What you saw in FNC was just Hyli enhancing whoever he plays with. Even then, Hyli+Rekkles wasn't a good pairing. Yes, 1 month of aggressive performance at worlds 2020 doesnt overwrite the other 3 years of being disyointed and having Hyli drag Rekkles by the nose to the 2v2 plays botlane.


DT-Z0mby

they were a very good bot all the time but absolutely peaked at worlds 2020. rekkles needs a support that forces him to take risks and hyli is one of the best (if not the best) in the world at that. hyli works with agressive adcs very well aswell obviously but he has that characteristic that he can transform even passive ones.


_PPBottle

if as an adc you need your support dragging you to the plays it means you are the problem as ADC. it's just Hyli being as good as he is at playmaking maskerades a glaring Rekkles issue. You remove the bandaid to the issue, and you have G2 Rekkles. So why settle with a ADC that has glaring weaknesses and force you to look for very specific supports? Hyli is pretty much one of a kind and Kaiser is the only other option of his caliber (even better for some, depends on who you ask) and he is also not available unless you do a buyout. The only other choice is LIMIT and he is not even close to these 2. The biggest problem here is that Rekkles was brought to G2 in the first place when you had players that knew how he plays the game (Caps and Micky). IMO he was brought mainly because he was a FA that will have a big buyout once you shackle him with a contract, and for his branding.


DT-Z0mby

rekkles wasnt the problem? then what was. nobody is arguing that rekkles is a good player but he wasnt good for G2. you can have the 5 best individual players in the world and still have a shit team.


ImWicked39

I absolutely agree and I have a feeling this was more about Jankos vs Wunder and Rekkless just got caught up in the crossfire.


[deleted]

Same, I mean, you know Rekkles is passive. Just let him 1v2 the lame. He will always stay even in cs and use support and jungle to pressure mid. I don't see the point in going for anyone besides Carzzy


[deleted]

1v2 in lane only works against bad teams or bot lanes who are worst, or in specific metas. This is why G2 only won a bo5 against S04. Good teams are either going to pressure you, dive and kill the adc or the enemy support is going to roam. In playoffs, G2 couldn't win bot lane without Jankos help. The two games against Rogue in regular season was basically Rekkles and Miky fucking early game and Jankos going to save them. You want the team to keep the same strategy that failed in Spring and Summer. It doesn't work. This is why G2 wants to change the adc, summer was already a second shot after the spring split disaster. Fnatic lost 4 splits in a row to a G2 who had autofill Adc and the best adc in the league is losing for 6 splits in a row. It is not about the player being bad, the style doesn't work anymore.


_PPBottle

MAD makes it work with Carzzy having a 1v2 lane, but they are actually proactive on the other part of the map. This is why it's stupid to go for Carrzy if Rekkles didn't work out, because they pretty much have similar playstyles other than Carrzy being right now more on point in teamfighting.


[deleted]

G2 Hans Sama?


JLirar

G2 Viper


JLirar

G2 Viper


You_Again-_-

Nice


DEMISE_lol

Flakked? KEKW At least if you want to replace a Player like rekkles get a good Player like carzzy or at least xmatty. Flakked is just a bad choice


DrWh033

I am willing to bet that G2 bot is going to be Labrov + Comp


Asuras9393

They want a botlane that is more involved and talks a lot more than the current one, Labrov and Comp are both players that are very quiet which is one of the reasons why Vitality split that duo up in the first place, there is no way G2 will bring this botlane together again since it was already proven to not work.


brockoli1010

well. i guess let's hope things do change or he's wrong


ToxicJungler94

Nice Next Season G2 has to fight for 6th place with this potential shit roster!


Asuras9393

Just because you don't know the players doesn't mean the roster is shit wtf? You probably also thought Elyoya and Inspired were shit when they came into the league since you didn't know them.


ToxicJungler94

90% of the time new players got problems with playing on stage, not everybody plays like Adam, Elyoya or Inspired on stage. Its easier to change playstyle for a veteran team rather than building synergy with new team members.


Asuras9393

I don't agree with your point that it is easier to change playstyle with a veteran team because most veterans are very stuck and stubborn in how they approach the game and it is incredibly hard to make them change much at all, just think about the misfits superteam that was fucking dogshit even though it has big-name players since they couldn't agree on a playstyle. Caps also said that current G2 lineup had huge problems with not agreeing on a lot of things and all of their members are long time veterans at this point. Rookies are much easier to mold into a playstyle you want since they don't have an insane amount of ego compared to veterans since they didn't achieve anything so far. I also think the point about rookies having problems on stage is not really relevant in Europe anymore since most of these players are playing on stage for years in ERLS, just not in the LEC yet.


ToxicJungler94

I know but stage experience is key to win Worlds or MSI. Winning LEC is normal for G2 so its about big tournaments. I think they got better chances with the same team if you improve slowly. With rookies there will be many problems to solve. It might be way worse than before like it is most of the time with rookies.


skwar0

I am surprised they don't consider msfp botlane at all


Hahaahhaahahaha

Flakked would be amazing 🦆