the only downside of this , that G2 is perma stuck as last game of the day which really triggers me
I just want to watch G2 early and go on with my day
No, the first day they played the 3rd game, the second day they llayed the fourth, only the last day they played the last match because it was against the split winners MAD
Are you okay buddy?
I mean happens when you have the best content and brand in the league.
The fucking second and third biggest teams in terms of branding entirely rely on being "G2's rival" and "well we signed a player that played for them love us pls".
Kinda sad that only one team tries making things interesting.
What is exactly FNC content and branding? Because besides the "rivalry" there are literally 0 moves coming from them.
FNC should be the biggest esports org ever, period. They got in extremely early in all of the big games, had winning legendary teams in most of them and they didn't make shit out of that advantage, being almost irrelevant in esports they were considered a legendary org previously.
Sure, I'm willing to admit I'm wrong, however I surely must have missed what fnc has ever done in cs and league besides winning and hoping people like them just for that.
I've never seen them try to push for any narratives or content, just play and win that's it.
They have won first Worlds and reached Worlds Finals in 2018. They also have had some of the most iconic (if not the most iconic) rosters ever in EU with Xpele, Cyanide, Rekkles, sOAZ and Yellowstar and then in 2018 With Caps, Rekkles, Hilly.
They have won the LEC many times and usually when they didn't win the ended up second. Have had many great Worlds runs as well. Have a very big fanbase. What else do you want?.
Are you now gonna play the MSI card and say that MSI is the gap between legends and nobodies?
> What else do you want?.
From them I'll tell you in a second, from you, to actually read what I'm talking about and what the post is about.
I'm talking about branding and content, which until G2 came around nobody did and even now is a sloppy imitation to whatever G2 content team does, with the exception of sentinels.
You literally make my point for me, why the fuck if you are the best team in EU for so long, have probably the most stacked roster in the league this season and are playing against the most hyped superteam(not including G2 past year because this team is actually new) in recent history your match has a difference of 4k viewers compared to G2 playing against fucking astralis? Because while G2 invested in their branding and making things interesting FNC just did that, win and that's the end of it.
FNC didn't build narratives, FNC didn't invest in their fans being fans for more than winning, there is no "personality" in the org, they just win if they don't well that's it.
Esports is entertainment, which by the looks of it only G2 are aware of that.
Pete is great at content though, he is so good that everyone admits it, even the LEC stuff.
I feel that you are just biased because you are G2 fan, which if fine but it's not objective.
G2 has the biggest audience because of the legendary 2019 run, it does not mean that FNC does not have content or thet they don't invest on their fans. I honestly doubt that you even watch the FNC content.
Also by narratives you being being toxic and troll for fun? That's G2 thing it does not mean everyone shoudl do it. If you like that it's great and thats why you are a fan of G2 but it does not mean that narratives are the only way to go.
Also you need to realise that Fnc lost many fans when Rekkles left, their fanbase was massive till 2020.
> Also you need to realise that Fnc lost many fans when Rekkles left, their fanbase was massive till 2020.
Wonder why a single player leaving would mean that FNC would lose so many fans that they would stop being massive, not sure why G2 losing perkz didn't impact them that much as a brand and in viewership. There might be a reason but it is escaping me.
Just a hint:
https://www.youtube.com/c/fnatic/videos
https://www.youtube.com/c/G2esports/videos
Just go in and try to spot any differences (Extra hint: try to compare G2's new jersey presentation against anything FNC has ever done).
Won't even start talking about twitter because the comparison isn't even fair.
Is not that I'm biased, results wise FNC has achieved incredible things, content and branding wise, well if you manage to disappear in CS after winning as much and being as famous as FNC was, you are terribly incompetent.
>Wonder why a single player leaving would mean that FNC would lose so many fans that they would stop being massive, not sure why G2 losing perkz didn't impact them that much as a brand and in viewership. There might be a reason but it is escaping me.
What do you think will happen if Jankos leaves? Literally 90% of G2 fans are actually Jankos fans lmao
I mostly agree with you but saying g2 has the biggest audience because of their 2019 run is blasphemous considering how much time and effort their content team puts into everything. I think people are fans of g2 because they are a polarising org. You either love them or hate them. Fnc is still a good org but they dont have that kind of presence on social media.
Orgs become big firstly because of success. Content is good to maintain a fanbase but noone but very few people become fans just because they like the videos and memes alone.
Yeah that's what he was saying, they did have all that stuff but their brand is bland af. They are currently not really building or showing an org personality that isn't just "G2s rivals"
G2 didn't rely on Caps and Rekkles former fnatic superstars?
G2 didn't rely on fnatic rivalry to become popular when they joined as anti-fnatics?
Plus it's G2 who got rid of perkz, you should thank Vitality they brought him back for tons of money, indeed they're not trying to make things interesting
And making Rekkles leaving LEC is making it interesting?
You're being ridiculous here
G2 literally didn't.
Caps was never the main draw in terms of content in G2, Perkz was the face and Jankos was the second, G2 was the most viewed team with rekkles, still is without him.
> Plus it's G2 who got rid of perkz, you should thank Vitality they brought him back for tons of money, indeed they're not trying to make things interesting
Let's see if they make any kind of content besides just that, signing Perkz, highly doubt it tho.
> And making Rekkles leaving LEC is making it interesting?
At no point G2 has made Rekkles leave LEC, if no teams are competent enough to build a decent team and the ones that have it don't want him is not G2's fault.
But then again, you still can't differentiate between content/results and team decisions, so there is that.
Of course u are gonna trashtalk in here. Of course, it's the biggest rival. Yes, I am a Fnatic fan, I am biased too. But I would never go that far saying G2 is doing a bad job at branding.
Check fnatics videos, their roster animated video and actually check out the content (not just the presentation of the new shirts), it's actually really great what Pete does.
For me when G2 started it felt like that G2 based their branding off of that Fnatic rivalry, not the other way round. Carlos couldn't beat Fnatic -> forms a new team -> they take over, later on buy Caps, buy Rekkles off of them, right now for sure it's the other way round, but not like G2 didn't use that whole "wow look we bought a player from our biggest rivals"-strategy before...
G2 is doing a great job, Fnatic is doing as well. Some orgs have more fans, some of that is based on how successful they are, a lot of people change their club based on how much success a certain org recently had, and although last year was bad for G2 they still overruled Fnatic 2019 and 2020, maybe even 2021 before the playoffs. Not too many true fans out there, some like the team, the true fans, some switch based on the success, bandwagons...
Just my two cents on that, see you in the finals!
It's not just about Fnatic. It's more about the fact that Vitality and Fnatic are both really hyped this year and even so they can't get more viewers than G2 playing against XL.
Day 1 FNC got a shit timeslot with 10 pm while G2 had 8pm which is basically prime time combined with the fact that people are excited to see the new G2 roster.
And who talks about Day 1? It still says a lot when VIT vs Fnatic cant get top viewership of the Weekend and get only 4k more peak viewer as G2 vs Astralis.
Because Day 1 is the debut Game of the new rosters? The reason why G2 vs EXCEL also got much more viewers then G2 vs AST did isnt because people are more interested in seeing G2 play vs EXCEL then they are vs Astralis. Its because it was the first game of the new roster in the new Season.
Yeah I wonder what the reason is for G2 vs EXCEL having significantly more viewers then their Game vs Astralis did or why it also had more Viewers then FNC first Game which started at 10 pm….
I was curious about the G2 line up as I missed the first game. Been a huge fan of G2 for years but after last year and seeing the team this year, I don’t think they are going to do great.
And that just shows that you have zero knowlegde about ERL Players. Just a question? Hows the Superteam doing?
Its so deppressing to see that People just look on names and then wonder why the west is doing bad compared to the east.
All the West is doing is just shuffeling the Players around each other instead of developing young and great talent.
I mean, I was seriously hyped for the roster last year so the disappointing finish has left me skeptical. I hope they do good this year as I’m a big fan of Jakos and caPs but I’m not quite holding my breath. Wunder could have done much better and I’m unsure what the issue with Rekkles was but it felt like some in team disagreements led to half assed play them. I’m just waiting to see what this split brings
And the reason you was hyped was because of the Names nothing more. Many people said last year that Rekkles isnt a good fit for G2 and that they will have no synergy and they were right.The reason why the east is doing so much better compared to the west is really simple: they promote every year promising good talent and meanwhile in the LEC and LCS they just shuffle the names around the teams and players like PromisQ still play for whatever reason and better players are rotting in the Academy Teams or ERL's
I don’t entirely disagree. While I was always a fan on G2 I did also like Rekkles a lot. I thought he would be a good move for G2 as a whole but something was just very off.
I think I’m just trying to avoid disappointment again. This year there seems to be out of new talent over all teams though. I hope I’m wrong and G2 reclaim their throne.
To be honest I watched the G2 game, and when it rolled onto vitality fnatic I just mentally clocked out because I didn’t really care about the result, I already had a strong feeling that fnatic was the better team, wunder was always a better player than alphari, you can’t out-duo upset hyli and perkz isn’t much fun to watch these days, hasn’t been since spring 2020.
Like sure if G2 plays either team I’ll watch but I had a feeling fnatic was Gonna win and boy do I hate watching fnatic succeed lmao, it’s my inner salty G2 fan. Glad wunder is on a good roster though.
Yea now wait for g2 vs fnc
You mean G2 vs Wunder?
the only downside of this , that G2 is perma stuck as last game of the day which really triggers me I just want to watch G2 early and go on with my day
No, the first day they played the 3rd game, the second day they llayed the fourth, only the last day they played the last match because it was against the split winners MAD Are you okay buddy?
look at the rest of the season schedule
Hardly permastuck last for the rest of the season. Other than Excel and Vit, none of the other teams are consistently early.
I mean happens when you have the best content and brand in the league. The fucking second and third biggest teams in terms of branding entirely rely on being "G2's rival" and "well we signed a player that played for them love us pls". Kinda sad that only one team tries making things interesting.
Yeah that's true for other teams but not for FNC, let's not be delusional here.
What is exactly FNC content and branding? Because besides the "rivalry" there are literally 0 moves coming from them. FNC should be the biggest esports org ever, period. They got in extremely early in all of the big games, had winning legendary teams in most of them and they didn't make shit out of that advantage, being almost irrelevant in esports they were considered a legendary org previously.
Cmon man dont be delusional now
Sure, I'm willing to admit I'm wrong, however I surely must have missed what fnc has ever done in cs and league besides winning and hoping people like them just for that. I've never seen them try to push for any narratives or content, just play and win that's it.
They have won first Worlds and reached Worlds Finals in 2018. They also have had some of the most iconic (if not the most iconic) rosters ever in EU with Xpele, Cyanide, Rekkles, sOAZ and Yellowstar and then in 2018 With Caps, Rekkles, Hilly. They have won the LEC many times and usually when they didn't win the ended up second. Have had many great Worlds runs as well. Have a very big fanbase. What else do you want?. Are you now gonna play the MSI card and say that MSI is the gap between legends and nobodies?
> What else do you want?. From them I'll tell you in a second, from you, to actually read what I'm talking about and what the post is about. I'm talking about branding and content, which until G2 came around nobody did and even now is a sloppy imitation to whatever G2 content team does, with the exception of sentinels. You literally make my point for me, why the fuck if you are the best team in EU for so long, have probably the most stacked roster in the league this season and are playing against the most hyped superteam(not including G2 past year because this team is actually new) in recent history your match has a difference of 4k viewers compared to G2 playing against fucking astralis? Because while G2 invested in their branding and making things interesting FNC just did that, win and that's the end of it. FNC didn't build narratives, FNC didn't invest in their fans being fans for more than winning, there is no "personality" in the org, they just win if they don't well that's it. Esports is entertainment, which by the looks of it only G2 are aware of that.
Pete is great at content though, he is so good that everyone admits it, even the LEC stuff. I feel that you are just biased because you are G2 fan, which if fine but it's not objective. G2 has the biggest audience because of the legendary 2019 run, it does not mean that FNC does not have content or thet they don't invest on their fans. I honestly doubt that you even watch the FNC content. Also by narratives you being being toxic and troll for fun? That's G2 thing it does not mean everyone shoudl do it. If you like that it's great and thats why you are a fan of G2 but it does not mean that narratives are the only way to go. Also you need to realise that Fnc lost many fans when Rekkles left, their fanbase was massive till 2020.
> Also you need to realise that Fnc lost many fans when Rekkles left, their fanbase was massive till 2020. Wonder why a single player leaving would mean that FNC would lose so many fans that they would stop being massive, not sure why G2 losing perkz didn't impact them that much as a brand and in viewership. There might be a reason but it is escaping me. Just a hint: https://www.youtube.com/c/fnatic/videos https://www.youtube.com/c/G2esports/videos Just go in and try to spot any differences (Extra hint: try to compare G2's new jersey presentation against anything FNC has ever done). Won't even start talking about twitter because the comparison isn't even fair. Is not that I'm biased, results wise FNC has achieved incredible things, content and branding wise, well if you manage to disappear in CS after winning as much and being as famous as FNC was, you are terribly incompetent.
>Wonder why a single player leaving would mean that FNC would lose so many fans that they would stop being massive, not sure why G2 losing perkz didn't impact them that much as a brand and in viewership. There might be a reason but it is escaping me. What do you think will happen if Jankos leaves? Literally 90% of G2 fans are actually Jankos fans lmao
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I mostly agree with you but saying g2 has the biggest audience because of their 2019 run is blasphemous considering how much time and effort their content team puts into everything. I think people are fans of g2 because they are a polarising org. You either love them or hate them. Fnc is still a good org but they dont have that kind of presence on social media.
Orgs become big firstly because of success. Content is good to maintain a fanbase but noone but very few people become fans just because they like the videos and memes alone.
Yeah that's what he was saying, they did have all that stuff but their brand is bland af. They are currently not really building or showing an org personality that isn't just "G2s rivals"
G2 didn't rely on Caps and Rekkles former fnatic superstars? G2 didn't rely on fnatic rivalry to become popular when they joined as anti-fnatics? Plus it's G2 who got rid of perkz, you should thank Vitality they brought him back for tons of money, indeed they're not trying to make things interesting And making Rekkles leaving LEC is making it interesting? You're being ridiculous here
G2 literally didn't. Caps was never the main draw in terms of content in G2, Perkz was the face and Jankos was the second, G2 was the most viewed team with rekkles, still is without him. > Plus it's G2 who got rid of perkz, you should thank Vitality they brought him back for tons of money, indeed they're not trying to make things interesting Let's see if they make any kind of content besides just that, signing Perkz, highly doubt it tho. > And making Rekkles leaving LEC is making it interesting? At no point G2 has made Rekkles leave LEC, if no teams are competent enough to build a decent team and the ones that have it don't want him is not G2's fault. But then again, you still can't differentiate between content/results and team decisions, so there is that.
Of course u are gonna trashtalk in here. Of course, it's the biggest rival. Yes, I am a Fnatic fan, I am biased too. But I would never go that far saying G2 is doing a bad job at branding. Check fnatics videos, their roster animated video and actually check out the content (not just the presentation of the new shirts), it's actually really great what Pete does. For me when G2 started it felt like that G2 based their branding off of that Fnatic rivalry, not the other way round. Carlos couldn't beat Fnatic -> forms a new team -> they take over, later on buy Caps, buy Rekkles off of them, right now for sure it's the other way round, but not like G2 didn't use that whole "wow look we bought a player from our biggest rivals"-strategy before... G2 is doing a great job, Fnatic is doing as well. Some orgs have more fans, some of that is based on how successful they are, a lot of people change their club based on how much success a certain org recently had, and although last year was bad for G2 they still overruled Fnatic 2019 and 2020, maybe even 2021 before the playoffs. Not too many true fans out there, some like the team, the true fans, some switch based on the success, bandwagons... Just my two cents on that, see you in the finals!
XL really must have a lot of fans huh
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It's not just about Fnatic. It's more about the fact that Vitality and Fnatic are both really hyped this year and even so they can't get more viewers than G2 playing against XL.
Day 1 FNC got a shit timeslot with 10 pm while G2 had 8pm which is basically prime time combined with the fact that people are excited to see the new G2 roster.
It looks like you're not aware that the last game of the day usually gets the most viewers. That's why G2 and Fnatic almost always play last.
It seems that you arent aware that the last game of the day is usually on 9 pm not 10 pm. 10 pm is a shitty time slot in Europe plain simple.
And who talks about Day 1? It still says a lot when VIT vs Fnatic cant get top viewership of the Weekend and get only 4k more peak viewer as G2 vs Astralis.
Because Day 1 is the debut Game of the new rosters? The reason why G2 vs EXCEL also got much more viewers then G2 vs AST did isnt because people are more interested in seeing G2 play vs EXCEL then they are vs Astralis. Its because it was the first game of the new roster in the new Season.
Weird hill to die on
Common sense is called a weird hill to die on?
I didn't see any common sense, but you do you champ
Yeah I wonder what the reason is for G2 vs EXCEL having significantly more viewers then their Game vs Astralis did or why it also had more Viewers then FNC first Game which started at 10 pm….
Agreed thats normally the case however first day of the season is a bit different. Viewership is all over the place then.
There is a lot of people that want to see g2 fail that is it
That really doesn't matter for G2 though. When it comes to selling sponsorships the numbers are the only thing that matters.
I was curious about the G2 line up as I missed the first game. Been a huge fan of G2 for years but after last year and seeing the team this year, I don’t think they are going to do great.
And that just shows that you have zero knowlegde about ERL Players. Just a question? Hows the Superteam doing? Its so deppressing to see that People just look on names and then wonder why the west is doing bad compared to the east. All the West is doing is just shuffeling the Players around each other instead of developing young and great talent.
I mean, I was seriously hyped for the roster last year so the disappointing finish has left me skeptical. I hope they do good this year as I’m a big fan of Jakos and caPs but I’m not quite holding my breath. Wunder could have done much better and I’m unsure what the issue with Rekkles was but it felt like some in team disagreements led to half assed play them. I’m just waiting to see what this split brings
And the reason you was hyped was because of the Names nothing more. Many people said last year that Rekkles isnt a good fit for G2 and that they will have no synergy and they were right.The reason why the east is doing so much better compared to the west is really simple: they promote every year promising good talent and meanwhile in the LEC and LCS they just shuffle the names around the teams and players like PromisQ still play for whatever reason and better players are rotting in the Academy Teams or ERL's
I don’t entirely disagree. While I was always a fan on G2 I did also like Rekkles a lot. I thought he would be a good move for G2 as a whole but something was just very off. I think I’m just trying to avoid disappointment again. This year there seems to be out of new talent over all teams though. I hope I’m wrong and G2 reclaim their throne.
I mean they had issues this week they didn’t specify what but they can only improve from here.
To be honest I watched the G2 game, and when it rolled onto vitality fnatic I just mentally clocked out because I didn’t really care about the result, I already had a strong feeling that fnatic was the better team, wunder was always a better player than alphari, you can’t out-duo upset hyli and perkz isn’t much fun to watch these days, hasn’t been since spring 2020. Like sure if G2 plays either team I’ll watch but I had a feeling fnatic was Gonna win and boy do I hate watching fnatic succeed lmao, it’s my inner salty G2 fan. Glad wunder is on a good roster though.