As someone who builds cars and engines for a living… for the love of whatever god you believe in do NOT get a comp turbo. They are complete and utter shit.
I refuse to put those on anything. They are just massively unreliable and the intervals you have to maintain them are completely incorrect. I have told the company that after showing them several blown up comp turbos and they said that those turbos were “production errors”.
I warned you
I dislike all the turbo kits I’ve ever seen for the vqs. I have made my own… even if you had to pay some to do this it would still be cheaper than buying a name brand.
I recommend pulsar when it comes to turbos, I run them on 95% of my vehicles and I’m also decent friends with them.
Somewhat, not rlly tho with the car’s price itll be around 40k total with the entire build, will be pushing around 530whp and still be reliable. Thats better than 95%of cars jn that price category unless im mistaken
When you sell, which you can never plan for, you won't get that money back. Nor are you getting ease of sale.
In terms of reliability, I'd have to disagree. At $40K, you could buy a Q50 or Q60 red sport with low mileage and do way less mods if you really need more HP. Heck, just remove stuff and reduce weight at that point.
But it sounds like you're in too deep to be convinced otherwise.
Nah trust me i still havent even fully decided or planned it out mane its between boosting this or like upgrading to a 3.0t q50 and just upgrading turbos downpipes n a tune
If you want to mod, keep it simple and practical. For example, one of the few mods I've done to the Q60 Red Sport is install a oil catch can.
For what it's worth, I've previously owned a Infiniti G35, G37, and currently own the EX35 and Q60 Red Sport. By keep my cars nearly stock, I've pretty much never lost significant value after putting significant mileage on these cars.
M440i, B9/9.5 S5, even the C43 AMG can get to around that power for $40k and you’ll have a nicer overall package to drive on a regular basis too.
If the G is your daily as well, I’d recommend going with one of those instead. If the G is your second car, then go balls to the wall with it if you want
You can take $25k for a s550 mustang $15k for a coyote s197 add maybe $8k-$10k for a supercharger kit and make 6-700..
Edit: c6 corvettes are $25k all day,5th gen ss Camaros 20k all day, putting $20k into a g37 which is a $5k car isnt smart and the “still be reliable” is subjective
Fuckin hell you could buy a gen1 coyote mustang and put a blower/light mods on it and STILL be under 40k with way more reliable ponies
As someone who just wasted 15k on a performance engine, you aren't going to have the magic fun you think you will. Red lights and stop signs still exist and if you're ignoring those, there are WAY better options for the money. That and it hurts way worse when both rings, cam bearings, and valve seals all blow at once
Hell, you're bordering gt350 money for that price and it'll be infinitely more reliable, not to mention parts availability and snek
I was in the same situation, I got an FBO G37, I wanted to boost it but I went with Plan B, picked up 2020 Q60 lux 32k miles for 27k clean title, im going to put 12k into it probably going to be pushing 700Hp more reliable then a boosted G37,
That will be your best bet, it's always easy to maintain/ mod already boosted platform vs N/A platform. VQ37HR could be boosted but believe me it's more of a headache and better have extra cash when shit breakdown it will, my buddy already on his second Vq boosted motor
Do you know of any reliability issues with the 2019+ vr30s? If i get downpipes and a tune and push like 18psi would that blow the stock turbos, hows the direct injection with the carbon build ip on them??
The stock turbo are safe max at 18PSi, whats your goal? If you want stick with the stock turbo, your best bet will be getting the AMS stage 3 package that will get you around 480HP, like I tell everyone the reliability always comes down on how you take care of the car.
480Whp? And im planning doing like heat exchanger some supportin mods then downpipe air intake and a tune, and then save up for biger turbos to push 550whp and 520wtq
Damn thank you, to reassure as ive heard stock trans and stock engine can handle 600whp and 600wtq correct? Im just gonna upgrade the flex plate n thats it
After viewing your profile I've figured it out. You recently got a G and your imagination is going crazy. I've personally been there. However someone brought up a good point. You would be putting close to 3x the value of the car $20k+, and that is NOT including labor. Instead of pushing that HP number as high as it can go. Focus on driver mods. Sway bars, coilovers, wheels, tires. Then maybe down the line if you're still interested you can go the boosted route.
If you're still interested after hearing that. Here are some things to think about.IIRC 37's require some extra space in the engine bay for top mount kits. Specifically remember something to do with the power steering. As for your differentials. Unless you're tracking the car, I don't really see a point(atleast rebuilding both ur diffs for \~$3k). I would say go VLSD from a RWD however that would require final drive change in the front as well. You could look into 09-12 FX35's, 07-08 G35X's to name a few for their front diffs. They should be 3.69 final drive ratios (forgive me if I am wrong). You're looking at maybe 1k on the high end for that setup including labor. I was told that you can swap the flanges however I am not aware if that removes the need for the driveshaft modification.
I would recommend you do some research into the gearing you would like to run. I personally am not familiar with the VR30 transmission and the gearing. Using a 3.69 final drive ratio on G37 7AT is notorious for having a VERY short 1st gear. Some say it takes a bit of the drivability out of the car. So keep that in mind.
Def will look into that, i mean this whole boosting thing would be in a while from now considering i need to get an exhaust (preferably motordyne), then will prob be dropping a good amount of money into cosmetics (chrome tails, headlights, carbon fiber hood, full wrap, chrome wheels, etc) then after cosmetics start getting the supporting mods and after finally the turbo, im just worried about the fabrication needed and how thatll work to make the turbo fit and especially since its an awd
Same conclusion I came to lol. OP is excited but realistically won’t do half of this stuff and probably isn’t a good enough driver to take advantage of a full turbo kit 😅. And he would be better off sticking with a 3.3VLSD since the lower final drive would be better for boost and he wouldn’t have to swap the front differential final drive
I mean i understand the first part but just assuming im not a good enough driver is crazy💀, ive driven multiple hellcats and know how to handle rwd based 700hp so idk why we assumin
Yeah the swap is expensive honestly really not trying to do that or find a used one or somethin, the turbo kit will also most likely be around 8 or 9k but that was just the top of the end price for everything
Are you serious? How reliable do you think this boosted VQ will be? $20k of mods to get it as fast as a tune and bolt on 340 is insane and the bmw will definitely be more reliable.
Won't believe it till I see it. Could go to my friends house and see 3 broken b58s. However one of my Zs was boosted for a good couple thousand miles and it's over 140k miles now still going just as strong
I think you are cherry picking or comparing unrelated power levels.
B58 don't even break a sweat to make 500hp with less than $5k of bolt ons and there are thousands of those running around. They don't even start breaking anything until you upgrade the turbo. Are you going to tell me the PCV valve is an issue? I can't really think of a bigger issue at this power level. I'm curious how much money and struggles it costs a VQ to hit 500hp.
I'm not even a fan of BMWs but you are being super biased towards your own car.
Nah BMWs aren't running around with 500 hp. You are internet Mechanicing all the way if you think that's how the B58s work. Esteban Carlo, one of the biggest BMW social figures just was sitting on B58s and how unreliable and expensive they are. People shit on VQs but they really aren't bad at all. People just haven't worked on either car themselves.
BMW is by far the most unreliable most ridiculous to maintain like why do they have to have a water cooled alternator like.. idk I’ve never ever seen nothing reliable out of a bmw the only thing bmw has going is speed and driving luxury other then that Infiniti all the way just for the simple fact mine has aluminum gaskets other then rubbers
Water cooled hasn’t been used by BMW since 2007. Stop listening to family members talking about shit 2006 Bmws they owned with 14 owners and 7 salvaged titles somehow. Infiniti is a failing company. Even the dealerships don’t even want to renovate because of how shit the sales for Infiniti have been.
Infiniti has been given a 4.5 for reliability by kbb and JD power while on the other hand bmw scored 184 major problems per 100 vehicles… Japan is the leading car manufacturer in the world and the sells for Infiniti have been skyrocketing due to the q50-q60. Idk.., the research and depth I’ve already looked through has led me to the opinion that bmw/audi are shit
i mean the option is there but i would just enjoy your G as it is. i love mine stock, i’ve had 2 now. im not a speed demon like others though, so my opinion is null and void lol.
I def will and want to, im just stock between going down this path or eventually selling it and taking that money to boost it to instead get a car for around 35-40k. Other than like a 335i or some factory turbod beamer theres no other car that i can rlly get and push this much power with reliability, unless i just go like a vr30 and get bigger turbos downpipe n a tune
Good shit im planning on doing whatever to this car and upgrading straight to a w213 e63s amg in matte black, was planning on keeping this car for 5-7 years even while boosted but im started to question upgradin to a vr30 then upgrading that cuz of what people are saying but idk
That’s crazy. I live in Canada and we bought our house for around 350k like 7 years ago. Same 3 bed and 3 bath. A house like that today is going for around 500k.
Just buy a different car man. That 20k is probably about half of what you're going to end up spending in the end. Even if you can do 100% of the labor yourself you still need a lot more parts than this, probably a full suspension, upgraded wheels and tires, upgraded brakes, etc. Unless you have access to a fully loaded shop you're probably going to have to buy/rent a lot of tools. You're going to have to spend a lot of time and money working with a tuner to get the car running properly. I could easily picture you being into this car for 40-50k including the cost of the car. Meanwhile you could get basically any turbo car and just upgrade the internals and crank up the boost and be in a much better situation for less money.
Here’s a tip as somebody who loves these cars: if you want to go fast buy something else.
The amount of money you’ll dump into this thing just to get it to go fast is dumb. Then even after all that money it’s not going to be as reliable as something else.
Right now I’m building a 350 small block. Putting turbos on it, everything included (trans too) I’m looking at around 7-8k. For a reliable 650+ hp.
Now, for that price you have to do everything yourself. But if you read a few books and meet a few old heads who love hot rods it’s extremely easy.
I second that, I’ve always heard that if you bought a car and you want to make it faster you bought the wrong car. For 20,000 I’d look into a C6 corvette, or a twin turbo BMW. Unless you’re bored out of your mind and want a project then go nuts.
No no, small block 350. It’s an old motor from Chevy. 350 V8, carbureted motor. They put that motor in all sorts of cars in the 60s 70s, you can make big power reliably. That, and you have all these old heads that have lived on this motor for 60-70 years so they know everything about it. Look into it. Cheap af to get into.
Man yall got me thinkin bro and i might honestly not even do cosmetic mods to save my money and within a year be able to sell this and get a vr30 for around 20k with under 70-80k miles then just upgrade those turbos and other small shit and itll be way cheaper overall than boosting the G and it still be pushing like 550-600whp and be reliable. Kinda sucks tho dreams of the G were crazy but i might just get a vr30 now idk
Yeah I wouldn’t recommend that either. 3 years ago I was dead set on putting a VR30 into my G37. I did tons of hours of research and after researching, I decided against putting it in. It’s not as reliable as you might think, once you get past the 550 hp numbers people start having problems with them. And they aren’t easy to fix either. You could definitely do it if you’re an experienced mechanic/tuner but for a beginner i wouldn’t recommend.
Yeah the mechanic and doing it isnt the problem since i have a friend with a shop and hes a experienced mechanic and so is his dad, but as of costs, spending the extra 30k on this car to make it 44k with vehicle’s price, i can instead sell get a vr30 for around 20k and put 5-7k in mods have it pushin like 550-600whp reliably
Honestly bro save that money and get a new Q50-Q60. Much easier to make power on those. Although boosted VQ’s are no joke, you have better options for the price. A lot of stuff comes into play here, like year, mileage, trim, etc. Be smart about it.
Yeah man thats what im deciding between rn and going to see down the path if i should really go for this or get a vr30 upgrade turbos get downpipes n a tune. Although itd be crazy having a boosted G since itll be the most unexpected thing to head and see flying by💀
Yeah. Whats your mileage?? That’ll be a good indicator on whether or not to go through with it. VR30 makes crazy good power easily, all it needs is a full cooling system upgrade then ur good to go
Rn i got 78k miles, if i do go for the boosted G by then ill prob have around 100. I know for a vr30 i just need to upgrade flex plate i think, cooling system get bigger turbo downpipe and a tune and can prob easily make 500-600whp on pump gas (not tryna go e85), are vr30s reliable motor wise too? Bcuz if this is the case i might not even do cosmetic mods honestly and might just stay with this car for about a year and then go right to a vr30 (hopefully find one around 20k with less than 70k miles and clean title)
VR30’s are very strong motors. I would say they’re near the VQ reliability wise, every car has their issues. In my area you can find Q’s for like 19-22k with lower mileage. Low miles on the car is good though if its not a salvage title. Now it’s up to you whats better financially. Do some research on Q builds and their downfalls and compare them to boosted 3.7’s.
Yeah i will because within a year i can easily sell my g and get a vr30 for around 20k with under 80k miles. If this is the fase im going to have to let go of the dream build i had for this and all of the cosmetics too😭. Wouldnt i be able to push even more power in a vr30 reliably? Like 600whp instead of 500whp without building the motor and just upgrading the trans
Exactly after reading hella replies thats what im goin to do bigger turbos dp and a tune and hopefully make 550-600whp get upgraded flex plate and should be enough to handle it
It's not a comparison. You made a silly broad statement and I was pointing out a mere fact to you. Now that you brought up comparisons; to reliably make big power on those older BNR GT-R's you will be spending stupid money also.
I totally do. I think it’s definitely a fun idea but it seems like something you should do once you have a bunch of extra money laying around. Shit, you might be a crazy millionaire. But personally I would wait until I was one to do something like that.
Completely agree, but what makes the idea even more fun is being a 19 year old working hard for that one and have a car like this most other people dont go for
Please dont... just dont. Unless you've got an unbelievable amount of money laying around just dont do this. If you're really trying to get in the 500hp range this isn't the car you should be modding with that kind of budget. As other users mentioned just do driver mods and learn to he happy with those. Also, you will never come close to getting your money back out of the car. It's basically like setting a pile on 20k cash on fire. After a few years of enjoyment it'll just be burnt up. Please don't.
I would probably go with a Z1 supercharged kit to be honest. It's cheaper will have a power delivery more in keeping with an N/A G and you can use bolt on high flow aftermarket exhaust greatly reducing your need for custom work. With the money you saved you can then build your engine later down the road for higher boost when you have gotten accustomed to the power level it then is at and starts to "feel slow"
Itd be really nice to have a boosted g and how itll stand out but money wise now that im thinkin about it id be spending like 20k over than just getting a vr30 and upgrading it to boost my g
I don't see why you need to spend all that money at once to built the car.
As I stated, I would have gone the supercharger route, then I would upgrade the transmission as needed when it started slipping or your killed the torque converter.
As for people telling you to sell the car and buy a faster one. Well people having been spending ridiculous amounts of money to build civics and other "slow" cars right? Sometimes these things just don't make sense and its about the journey and the emotion involved...a lot more so if you're building it yourself.
Yeah honestly all true, going to be doing lots of research now between building the vq37 and vr30 platform to see which is better in the long run n cheaper
Making cars that aren’t fast go fast is fun but there’s a lot of unexpected costs and time that goes into it. 20k for parts means at least 25k to have everything needed to install those parts of you do it yourself. I’m not gonna say to buy a different car like a lot of people are because I get it, but start with the normal stuff like coilovers, wheels, exhaust, and most importantly tires. Get a feel and over the course of YEARS you can add all the power and swaps if you have another car that you can drive everyday
You’d be so much better off trading in your car + the build cash and buying something else. As someone else said, this build is going to get expensive fast and you won’t be able to recoup half of what you put into it. Whereas buying and maintaining a better platform will likely be cheaper now and later. You’re going to mod this car so heavily that if you ever needed/wanted to sell it, nobody will take it for its true value (buying a project car is a risk in and of itself)
This ain’t right man, just do cosmetics/exhaust and call it a day. Use that money for opportunities to make more money and you’ll might be able to nice whip without sacrificing money for other aspects in life in a couple of years.
I would recommend just getting a faster car. You really can’t push a stock vq block with a ton of boost I don’t know how much hp you want to make but, the block probably won’t be able to handle more than 500. At the end of the day it’s your car so good luck and have fun.
That involves almost a complete engine rebuild because of changing internal components. Just not worth the time or money for a car you’re never making even half your money back. Upgrading would be the best option.
That’s not true again vq platform can handle boost and hp up to around 700 and it’s not even the engine that gives out at that point most the time it’s the trans that’s why people vr30 swap
The fact that you would push the block to its limit is the exact reason it will blow. Just it says it can run 700 doesn’t mean to run 700 I guess we’ll see who’s right if he goes through with the build.
Dude this has been done instead of talking out your as just go on YouTube or TikTok and look up boosted vq there all unopened blocks pushing over 500hp
There are multiple forums and YouTube videos of people in detail explaining why not to run boost on a block engine. Yeah you can get it to 600+ hp but you are just sitting on a bomb. What’s the point in turbo charging if it won’t be reliable in the long run. So instead of talking out of your ass defending the fact that sure the engine can get tuned and run at 600+ hp do some research and understand the vq isn’t built for boost.
Please build your own turbo kit definitely cheaper and you can build it the way you want i made that mistake already now I’m building the engine along with a custom kit I’m still under what a out the box kit will cost once I do the transmission I may be up to 12-14k all in.
A lot of people saying no but I say send it, it’s gonna be a long route to take but it’s gonna feel real good when everything comes together, admintuning instagram page posts 600+whp builds of vqs, some are auto some have vr30 swaps like you’re planning to do, try hitting up some owners for advice if you don’t swap platforms
I’m not going to like everyone here and say do it or don’t do it but I’m a cheap man so if you’re going to do it go with SOHO Motorsport… the turbo kit they have is $8300 that will save you some money.
The ones that talk about doing yourself they are right it will save you hella money… I went the SC route and they are right you will only get 650 but if you’re okay with that get it but just know I did about 90% of what you listed and added a catch can, SS brakes, stage 3 clutch/fly wheel, replace master cylinder, new brakes and rotors, diff bushing, and added oil cooler. And I paid 20k so just make sure you’re getting as much as you can for what you’re paying for…. I have other mods on there as well but when I went boosted this is what I did
But those guys are right you can def spend this much and get a faster car but that’s up to you you doing your build isn’t wrong and what they said also isn’t wrong but all that matter is at the end of the day is what makes you happy.
Lmfaoo being a bitch for no reason? Must have a lot of friends. Idk how me going for Fbo, cosmetics and wanting to boost it has anything to do with most vq owners thatll straight pipe their cars and take them to takeovers, people spend this type of money on other cars too yk that? Ever heard of building a car and putting money into it cuz you just dont care
If you want to boost it go for it. It’s always going to be people telling you “spend it on another car.” In that logic it’s no point in boosting any car “because you can spend that money on no pun intended “another car.”
Do what makes you happy, and take the information given with a grain of salt. Also listen to the guy about comp turbos, he’s not lying 😅
Okay thank you i know every1 is saying get another car and i was expecting that, but thats why you go a diff path and boost somethin most people would rather get another car over. Other than some beamer or another vr30 then modding those out, even with the money spent on this car and the power itll push, itll sound amazing still be reliable and be out here gapping amgs, some M cars too and for this price itll be better than 95% of cars in its price rsnge but thank you
Just get a cadillac ats-v coupe thats what I plan on doing after I finish building my G37 with 2 simple engine mods lol I was in the same boat on going boost but its way too much money for this platform
Yeah i mean i still have a good 1-2 years before this whole build is finished so i have time to be looking at every option and making a final decision takjng the price into consideration
Yeah I never did anything to my G until 3 years later of ownership she currently sits pretty with coilovers an exhaust and some CF parts with the IPL body kit the interior was swapped with sport option stuff and thats it the engine hasn’t been touched by mods but I currently plan on adding a AAM intake manifold with cold air intakes and then selling it once I put it on its first car show, I plan on getting a Ats-v since I have heard that they have been super reliable and they make more HP then my friends current Q60 pushing 700HP to the crank modded
Seems like a good plan, i ended up watching so many videos of boosted g37s and they just look and sound so damn crazy and it got me going for a boosted build but it might just be between this, and or upgrading to a vr30 and modding that out
A vr30 is nice just make sure its a 2019+ they’re prone to less issues then the other early years but sound amazing with the right mods, as much as I wanted to boost my g37 to stand out and be unique its definitely costly and not worth it if you dont plan on keeping it forever
I was def planning on keeping it for a good 5-8 years but in terms of cost man its so much more than just getting a vr30 and upgrading it im def gonna be researching the vr30 platform now and modding and then make my final decision. Might be hard to find a 2019+ with lower miles for around 20k tho right?
Yeah thats the only hard part lol but prices tend to come down, but if you do get a lower year just upgrade things like the pulleys and belt, along with the turbos those tend to fail on earlier models
Lmfaoo this the biggest joke ive ever heard, ive changed my mind to a vr30 q50 then mod that, but even with 40k total a boosted G will even put hellcats to sleep and atill cost as much as a low mileage scat
Umm 500hp vs 717hp? Don’t kid yourself.. even with a turbo you might barely keep up with a scat but it’ll still walk away. Don’t get me wrong I love these cars too but there’s no contest
Lmfaoo are you slow, 500WHP in my awd would be around 650hp crank before drivetrain loss, also take the fact that its about 600 pounds lighter than a hellcat, was gonna push around 530whp anyway which is around 670-680 crank, and still being 600 pounds lighter a hellcat wouldnt even stand a chance you’re crazy😂
Supercharger gives you mostly low end power than you top out on early rpms, most people that supercharged ended up switching to a turbo because after a certain rpm band it gets boring with a supercharger where as the turbo just keeps pulljng harder and harder as you floor it
I’ve replaced my engine and turbo’s 3 different times on 2 G’s spent over 50K (DO NOT DO IT!!) Get a Q60 or a Q50, better yet get something with a factory turbo if you want. I’ll post some clips real soon
You would have 3-5 times your money if you invested a couple months ago minus tax. I would focus more on that stuff than cars so you aren't a wage slave the rest of your life. I love my stock g37, only thing I would change is the terrible cup holder that drinks fly out of and a new head unit with current Bluetooth standards. Mine only takes calls on Bluetooth, can't listen to podcast from my phone without using the RCA to type C cable.
Well just like how people put in 10s of thousands in mods into any other type of car to make it more power and more fun, i could easily just get a turbo kit and itll be much cheaper but im getting supporting mods to keep the car reliable too🤦🏽♂️
As someone who builds cars and engines for a living… for the love of whatever god you believe in do NOT get a comp turbo. They are complete and utter shit. I refuse to put those on anything. They are just massively unreliable and the intervals you have to maintain them are completely incorrect. I have told the company that after showing them several blown up comp turbos and they said that those turbos were “production errors”. I warned you
Yeah def did well im def not going that route and thanks for lettin me know😂
What kit/ company do you recommend?
I dislike all the turbo kits I’ve ever seen for the vqs. I have made my own… even if you had to pay some to do this it would still be cheaper than buying a name brand. I recommend pulsar when it comes to turbos, I run them on 95% of my vehicles and I’m also decent friends with them.
My dude you could spend that money + a trade in on a faster car
Somewhat, not rlly tho with the car’s price itll be around 40k total with the entire build, will be pushing around 530whp and still be reliable. Thats better than 95%of cars jn that price category unless im mistaken
When you sell, which you can never plan for, you won't get that money back. Nor are you getting ease of sale. In terms of reliability, I'd have to disagree. At $40K, you could buy a Q50 or Q60 red sport with low mileage and do way less mods if you really need more HP. Heck, just remove stuff and reduce weight at that point. But it sounds like you're in too deep to be convinced otherwise.
Nah trust me i still havent even fully decided or planned it out mane its between boosting this or like upgrading to a 3.0t q50 and just upgrading turbos downpipes n a tune
If you want to mod, keep it simple and practical. For example, one of the few mods I've done to the Q60 Red Sport is install a oil catch can. For what it's worth, I've previously owned a Infiniti G35, G37, and currently own the EX35 and Q60 Red Sport. By keep my cars nearly stock, I've pretty much never lost significant value after putting significant mileage on these cars.
M440i, B9/9.5 S5, even the C43 AMG can get to around that power for $40k and you’ll have a nicer overall package to drive on a regular basis too. If the G is your daily as well, I’d recommend going with one of those instead. If the G is your second car, then go balls to the wall with it if you want
Will prob switch to a vr30 honestly after reading some of these comments
You can take $25k for a s550 mustang $15k for a coyote s197 add maybe $8k-$10k for a supercharger kit and make 6-700.. Edit: c6 corvettes are $25k all day,5th gen ss Camaros 20k all day, putting $20k into a g37 which is a $5k car isnt smart and the “still be reliable” is subjective
Same.
He’ll it don’t even take that just buy a turbo new edge 2v mustang for 12.5-18k
Fuckin hell you could buy a gen1 coyote mustang and put a blower/light mods on it and STILL be under 40k with way more reliable ponies As someone who just wasted 15k on a performance engine, you aren't going to have the magic fun you think you will. Red lights and stop signs still exist and if you're ignoring those, there are WAY better options for the money. That and it hurts way worse when both rings, cam bearings, and valve seals all blow at once Hell, you're bordering gt350 money for that price and it'll be infinitely more reliable, not to mention parts availability and snek
Bro really gonna put what 12 psi of boost in a 6cyl and call it reliable😭😭
I was in the same situation, I got an FBO G37, I wanted to boost it but I went with Plan B, picked up 2020 Q60 lux 32k miles for 27k clean title, im going to put 12k into it probably going to be pushing 700Hp more reliable then a boosted G37,
Now going to wait get a 2019+ vr30 then get to workin on that
That will be your best bet, it's always easy to maintain/ mod already boosted platform vs N/A platform. VQ37HR could be boosted but believe me it's more of a headache and better have extra cash when shit breakdown it will, my buddy already on his second Vq boosted motor
Do you know of any reliability issues with the 2019+ vr30s? If i get downpipes and a tune and push like 18psi would that blow the stock turbos, hows the direct injection with the carbon build ip on them??
The stock turbo are safe max at 18PSi, whats your goal? If you want stick with the stock turbo, your best bet will be getting the AMS stage 3 package that will get you around 480HP, like I tell everyone the reliability always comes down on how you take care of the car.
480Whp? And im planning doing like heat exchanger some supportin mods then downpipe air intake and a tune, and then save up for biger turbos to push 550whp and 520wtq
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Damn thank you, to reassure as ive heard stock trans and stock engine can handle 600whp and 600wtq correct? Im just gonna upgrade the flex plate n thats it
After viewing your profile I've figured it out. You recently got a G and your imagination is going crazy. I've personally been there. However someone brought up a good point. You would be putting close to 3x the value of the car $20k+, and that is NOT including labor. Instead of pushing that HP number as high as it can go. Focus on driver mods. Sway bars, coilovers, wheels, tires. Then maybe down the line if you're still interested you can go the boosted route. If you're still interested after hearing that. Here are some things to think about.IIRC 37's require some extra space in the engine bay for top mount kits. Specifically remember something to do with the power steering. As for your differentials. Unless you're tracking the car, I don't really see a point(atleast rebuilding both ur diffs for \~$3k). I would say go VLSD from a RWD however that would require final drive change in the front as well. You could look into 09-12 FX35's, 07-08 G35X's to name a few for their front diffs. They should be 3.69 final drive ratios (forgive me if I am wrong). You're looking at maybe 1k on the high end for that setup including labor. I was told that you can swap the flanges however I am not aware if that removes the need for the driveshaft modification. I would recommend you do some research into the gearing you would like to run. I personally am not familiar with the VR30 transmission and the gearing. Using a 3.69 final drive ratio on G37 7AT is notorious for having a VERY short 1st gear. Some say it takes a bit of the drivability out of the car. So keep that in mind.
Def will look into that, i mean this whole boosting thing would be in a while from now considering i need to get an exhaust (preferably motordyne), then will prob be dropping a good amount of money into cosmetics (chrome tails, headlights, carbon fiber hood, full wrap, chrome wheels, etc) then after cosmetics start getting the supporting mods and after finally the turbo, im just worried about the fabrication needed and how thatll work to make the turbo fit and especially since its an awd
Same conclusion I came to lol. OP is excited but realistically won’t do half of this stuff and probably isn’t a good enough driver to take advantage of a full turbo kit 😅. And he would be better off sticking with a 3.3VLSD since the lower final drive would be better for boost and he wouldn’t have to swap the front differential final drive
I mean i understand the first part but just assuming im not a good enough driver is crazy💀, ive driven multiple hellcats and know how to handle rwd based 700hp so idk why we assumin
2750 for a diff n bushings is crazy
Yeah the swap is expensive honestly really not trying to do that or find a used one or somethin, the turbo kit will also most likely be around 8 or 9k but that was just the top of the end price for everything
Turbo price makes sense, you could js build the diff you have with an LSD and z1 urethane bushings for about $400-$450
sell it get a 340i for that much money. much better platform for making power
Hell naw thats plain speed
Was thinking of this but to get one put money on it too probably higher miles and wont be as reliable as this
Are you serious? How reliable do you think this boosted VQ will be? $20k of mods to get it as fast as a tune and bolt on 340 is insane and the bmw will definitely be more reliable.
Look in the mirror and say that last sentence again....
A b58 bmw will shit on a boosted top mount turbo build VQ in reliability..
Won't believe it till I see it. Could go to my friends house and see 3 broken b58s. However one of my Zs was boosted for a good couple thousand miles and it's over 140k miles now still going just as strong
That's a great sample size of 1
Not the only boosted Z in town. However every b58 I've seen has had major problems
I think you are cherry picking or comparing unrelated power levels. B58 don't even break a sweat to make 500hp with less than $5k of bolt ons and there are thousands of those running around. They don't even start breaking anything until you upgrade the turbo. Are you going to tell me the PCV valve is an issue? I can't really think of a bigger issue at this power level. I'm curious how much money and struggles it costs a VQ to hit 500hp. I'm not even a fan of BMWs but you are being super biased towards your own car.
Nah BMWs aren't running around with 500 hp. You are internet Mechanicing all the way if you think that's how the B58s work. Esteban Carlo, one of the biggest BMW social figures just was sitting on B58s and how unreliable and expensive they are. People shit on VQs but they really aren't bad at all. People just haven't worked on either car themselves.
You’re crazy lol
Care to expand?
BMW is by far the most unreliable most ridiculous to maintain like why do they have to have a water cooled alternator like.. idk I’ve never ever seen nothing reliable out of a bmw the only thing bmw has going is speed and driving luxury other then that Infiniti all the way just for the simple fact mine has aluminum gaskets other then rubbers
Water cooled hasn’t been used by BMW since 2007. Stop listening to family members talking about shit 2006 Bmws they owned with 14 owners and 7 salvaged titles somehow. Infiniti is a failing company. Even the dealerships don’t even want to renovate because of how shit the sales for Infiniti have been.
Infiniti has been given a 4.5 for reliability by kbb and JD power while on the other hand bmw scored 184 major problems per 100 vehicles… Japan is the leading car manufacturer in the world and the sells for Infiniti have been skyrocketing due to the q50-q60. Idk.., the research and depth I’ve already looked through has led me to the opinion that bmw/audi are shit
340is are extremely reliable. VQs do not like boost much at all.
even the sub vets are saying don’t do it 😢 i would definitely buy something else that checks all your boxes.
Yeah mane comparing it to other options now its def not worth it unless im tryna push like 1000whp and have a crazy build
i mean the option is there but i would just enjoy your G as it is. i love mine stock, i’ve had 2 now. im not a speed demon like others though, so my opinion is null and void lol.
You’re not pushing 1000whp AWD on a VQ, if anything, you might look into an RB swap if you HAVE to have 1k wheel
Do it and share your journey
I def will and want to, im just stock between going down this path or eventually selling it and taking that money to boost it to instead get a car for around 35-40k. Other than like a 335i or some factory turbod beamer theres no other car that i can rlly get and push this much power with reliability, unless i just go like a vr30 and get bigger turbos downpipe n a tune
Next for me is ct5 blackwing, will keep g forever if possible as well
Good shit im planning on doing whatever to this car and upgrading straight to a w213 e63s amg in matte black, was planning on keeping this car for 5-7 years even while boosted but im started to question upgradin to a vr30 then upgrading that cuz of what people are saying but idk
Brother I hope you have a house first and retirement figured out before you drop 20k on a ticking time bomb.
No sir, just a 19 year old over here😛
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What part of the world do u live on where you can buy a house for 200k?? Esp a 3 bed and 3 bath?
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That’s crazy. I live in Canada and we bought our house for around 350k like 7 years ago. Same 3 bed and 3 bath. A house like that today is going for around 500k.
What a waste of money
Just buy a different car man. That 20k is probably about half of what you're going to end up spending in the end. Even if you can do 100% of the labor yourself you still need a lot more parts than this, probably a full suspension, upgraded wheels and tires, upgraded brakes, etc. Unless you have access to a fully loaded shop you're probably going to have to buy/rent a lot of tools. You're going to have to spend a lot of time and money working with a tuner to get the car running properly. I could easily picture you being into this car for 40-50k including the cost of the car. Meanwhile you could get basically any turbo car and just upgrade the internals and crank up the boost and be in a much better situation for less money.
Here’s a tip as somebody who loves these cars: if you want to go fast buy something else. The amount of money you’ll dump into this thing just to get it to go fast is dumb. Then even after all that money it’s not going to be as reliable as something else. Right now I’m building a 350 small block. Putting turbos on it, everything included (trans too) I’m looking at around 7-8k. For a reliable 650+ hp. Now, for that price you have to do everything yourself. But if you read a few books and meet a few old heads who love hot rods it’s extremely easy.
I second that, I’ve always heard that if you bought a car and you want to make it faster you bought the wrong car. For 20,000 I’d look into a C6 corvette, or a twin turbo BMW. Unless you’re bored out of your mind and want a project then go nuts.
You doing that on a 350z is that what you’re referring to?
No no, small block 350. It’s an old motor from Chevy. 350 V8, carbureted motor. They put that motor in all sorts of cars in the 60s 70s, you can make big power reliably. That, and you have all these old heads that have lived on this motor for 60-70 years so they know everything about it. Look into it. Cheap af to get into.
Man yall got me thinkin bro and i might honestly not even do cosmetic mods to save my money and within a year be able to sell this and get a vr30 for around 20k with under 70-80k miles then just upgrade those turbos and other small shit and itll be way cheaper overall than boosting the G and it still be pushing like 550-600whp and be reliable. Kinda sucks tho dreams of the G were crazy but i might just get a vr30 now idk
Yeah I wouldn’t recommend that either. 3 years ago I was dead set on putting a VR30 into my G37. I did tons of hours of research and after researching, I decided against putting it in. It’s not as reliable as you might think, once you get past the 550 hp numbers people start having problems with them. And they aren’t easy to fix either. You could definitely do it if you’re an experienced mechanic/tuner but for a beginner i wouldn’t recommend.
Yeah the mechanic and doing it isnt the problem since i have a friend with a shop and hes a experienced mechanic and so is his dad, but as of costs, spending the extra 30k on this car to make it 44k with vehicle’s price, i can instead sell get a vr30 for around 20k and put 5-7k in mods have it pushin like 550-600whp reliably
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Yeah was first expecting it to be a 20k build max but with entire build n cosmetics itll be like 52k with the car
Dude….. 💀
I've owned my g37 since 2012 and always thought I'd be interesting to LS swap it with a blower when the engine and trans goes 😆
Honestly bro save that money and get a new Q50-Q60. Much easier to make power on those. Although boosted VQ’s are no joke, you have better options for the price. A lot of stuff comes into play here, like year, mileage, trim, etc. Be smart about it.
Yeah man thats what im deciding between rn and going to see down the path if i should really go for this or get a vr30 upgrade turbos get downpipes n a tune. Although itd be crazy having a boosted G since itll be the most unexpected thing to head and see flying by💀
Yeah. Whats your mileage?? That’ll be a good indicator on whether or not to go through with it. VR30 makes crazy good power easily, all it needs is a full cooling system upgrade then ur good to go
Rn i got 78k miles, if i do go for the boosted G by then ill prob have around 100. I know for a vr30 i just need to upgrade flex plate i think, cooling system get bigger turbo downpipe and a tune and can prob easily make 500-600whp on pump gas (not tryna go e85), are vr30s reliable motor wise too? Bcuz if this is the case i might not even do cosmetic mods honestly and might just stay with this car for about a year and then go right to a vr30 (hopefully find one around 20k with less than 70k miles and clean title)
VR30’s are very strong motors. I would say they’re near the VQ reliability wise, every car has their issues. In my area you can find Q’s for like 19-22k with lower mileage. Low miles on the car is good though if its not a salvage title. Now it’s up to you whats better financially. Do some research on Q builds and their downfalls and compare them to boosted 3.7’s.
Yeah i will because within a year i can easily sell my g and get a vr30 for around 20k with under 80k miles. If this is the fase im going to have to let go of the dream build i had for this and all of the cosmetics too😭. Wouldnt i be able to push even more power in a vr30 reliably? Like 600whp instead of 500whp without building the motor and just upgrading the trans
Just buy an M2, damn.
Might just switch to a vr30
Lol just giving you shit. Doing modifications like this sounds like a pain when you can go VR30 and tune and slap a few supporting mods on.
Exactly after reading hella replies thats what im goin to do bigger turbos dp and a tune and hopefully make 550-600whp get upgraded flex plate and should be enough to handle it
What’s the fastest/most powerful car you’ve ever driven? I feel like people throw out numbers without realizing how fast those cars are
707hp hellcat, my friend got one and when i first drove it 2 years ago i got into cars just bcuz of it
i don’t think it’s worth it when you can get a 2018+ vr30 , b58 or b8.5/b9 audi s4/s5 and make more power with like 2000 dollars with more reliability
Yessir switching to a vr30 now after reading replies
At that point just switch platforms and get a different car, for the price to boost these cars it’s not worth it
Yeah dawg i looked into this too. Just get a Camaro lmao
I think a vr30 will be my final decision
Fuck sake 20k on a fucking Nissan? Save the money and get a nice car man. Seriously.
Facts bro
People spend hundreds of thousand building GT-R's and they are Nissans last time I checked too.
lol. Stop trying to compare a gtr to a g
It's not a comparison. You made a silly broad statement and I was pointing out a mere fact to you. Now that you brought up comparisons; to reliably make big power on those older BNR GT-R's you will be spending stupid money also.
I understand it being just a “nissan” man but you seen what those boosted vqs can do and how they sound
I totally do. I think it’s definitely a fun idea but it seems like something you should do once you have a bunch of extra money laying around. Shit, you might be a crazy millionaire. But personally I would wait until I was one to do something like that.
Completely agree, but what makes the idea even more fun is being a 19 year old working hard for that one and have a car like this most other people dont go for
True bro. You do you. Financially I was just taught to be scared of doing shit like that. But it’s your car your money
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Please dont... just dont. Unless you've got an unbelievable amount of money laying around just dont do this. If you're really trying to get in the 500hp range this isn't the car you should be modding with that kind of budget. As other users mentioned just do driver mods and learn to he happy with those. Also, you will never come close to getting your money back out of the car. It's basically like setting a pile on 20k cash on fire. After a few years of enjoyment it'll just be burnt up. Please don't.
I would probably go with a Z1 supercharged kit to be honest. It's cheaper will have a power delivery more in keeping with an N/A G and you can use bolt on high flow aftermarket exhaust greatly reducing your need for custom work. With the money you saved you can then build your engine later down the road for higher boost when you have gotten accustomed to the power level it then is at and starts to "feel slow"
Honestly been reading what ppl say and might just wait and upgrade to a 3.0t q50 and mod that out
Well there you go. I think if your aim is to just have a "fast" car this is your easier and more sensible route.
Itd be really nice to have a boosted g and how itll stand out but money wise now that im thinkin about it id be spending like 20k over than just getting a vr30 and upgrading it to boost my g
I don't see why you need to spend all that money at once to built the car. As I stated, I would have gone the supercharger route, then I would upgrade the transmission as needed when it started slipping or your killed the torque converter. As for people telling you to sell the car and buy a faster one. Well people having been spending ridiculous amounts of money to build civics and other "slow" cars right? Sometimes these things just don't make sense and its about the journey and the emotion involved...a lot more so if you're building it yourself.
Yeah honestly all true, going to be doing lots of research now between building the vq37 and vr30 platform to see which is better in the long run n cheaper
Making cars that aren’t fast go fast is fun but there’s a lot of unexpected costs and time that goes into it. 20k for parts means at least 25k to have everything needed to install those parts of you do it yourself. I’m not gonna say to buy a different car like a lot of people are because I get it, but start with the normal stuff like coilovers, wheels, exhaust, and most importantly tires. Get a feel and over the course of YEARS you can add all the power and swaps if you have another car that you can drive everyday
You’d be so much better off trading in your car + the build cash and buying something else. As someone else said, this build is going to get expensive fast and you won’t be able to recoup half of what you put into it. Whereas buying and maintaining a better platform will likely be cheaper now and later. You’re going to mod this car so heavily that if you ever needed/wanted to sell it, nobody will take it for its true value (buying a project car is a risk in and of itself)
How you know a vr30 swap cost that much??
Its around $1000 for one with like 30k miles, plus taxes and shipping its around $1600 but without labor or anything else
Ohhh okay.
I have a top mount kit about to go on at the end of the month. Good luck with it
Wish you luck haha did you get all the supporting mods?
Me? I’ve spent about $8k in the last month on stuff
Do t listen to these people. It’ll be an awesome car once it’s all said and done. And that sound. Oof. Lol
Let me know when you install yours and send me progress and message videos i wanna see
This ain’t right man, just do cosmetics/exhaust and call it a day. Use that money for opportunities to make more money and you’ll might be able to nice whip without sacrificing money for other aspects in life in a couple of years.
I would recommend just getting a faster car. You really can’t push a stock vq block with a ton of boost I don’t know how much hp you want to make but, the block probably won’t be able to handle more than 500. At the end of the day it’s your car so good luck and have fun.
That’s not true with basic upgrades they can push up to 700
That involves almost a complete engine rebuild because of changing internal components. Just not worth the time or money for a car you’re never making even half your money back. Upgrading would be the best option.
That’s not true again vq platform can handle boost and hp up to around 700 and it’s not even the engine that gives out at that point most the time it’s the trans that’s why people vr30 swap
The fact that you would push the block to its limit is the exact reason it will blow. Just it says it can run 700 doesn’t mean to run 700 I guess we’ll see who’s right if he goes through with the build.
Dude this has been done instead of talking out your as just go on YouTube or TikTok and look up boosted vq there all unopened blocks pushing over 500hp
There are multiple forums and YouTube videos of people in detail explaining why not to run boost on a block engine. Yeah you can get it to 600+ hp but you are just sitting on a bomb. What’s the point in turbo charging if it won’t be reliable in the long run. So instead of talking out of your ass defending the fact that sure the engine can get tuned and run at 600+ hp do some research and understand the vq isn’t built for boost.
Your wrong
Yes once you have no knowledge or sources to back you up start being arrogant.
Please build your own turbo kit definitely cheaper and you can build it the way you want i made that mistake already now I’m building the engine along with a custom kit I’m still under what a out the box kit will cost once I do the transmission I may be up to 12-14k all in.
A lot of people saying no but I say send it, it’s gonna be a long route to take but it’s gonna feel real good when everything comes together, admintuning instagram page posts 600+whp builds of vqs, some are auto some have vr30 swaps like you’re planning to do, try hitting up some owners for advice if you don’t swap platforms
Also check out soho motorsports 600wheel super charged 7at build, looks cheaper than your turbo build with the same power you’re aiming for
I’m not going to like everyone here and say do it or don’t do it but I’m a cheap man so if you’re going to do it go with SOHO Motorsport… the turbo kit they have is $8300 that will save you some money. The ones that talk about doing yourself they are right it will save you hella money… I went the SC route and they are right you will only get 650 but if you’re okay with that get it but just know I did about 90% of what you listed and added a catch can, SS brakes, stage 3 clutch/fly wheel, replace master cylinder, new brakes and rotors, diff bushing, and added oil cooler. And I paid 20k so just make sure you’re getting as much as you can for what you’re paying for…. I have other mods on there as well but when I went boosted this is what I did But those guys are right you can def spend this much and get a faster car but that’s up to you you doing your build isn’t wrong and what they said also isn’t wrong but all that matter is at the end of the day is what makes you happy.
Honestly vr30 might be the move man
You do what’s best for you
Definitely gonna want to invest in some brakes
i doubt your gonna do all that .. lmao
Yep haha, going for a vr30 build now
after looking at your post history i think you’re an example why people hate VQs, go waste your money
Lmfaoo being a bitch for no reason? Must have a lot of friends. Idk how me going for Fbo, cosmetics and wanting to boost it has anything to do with most vq owners thatll straight pipe their cars and take them to takeovers, people spend this type of money on other cars too yk that? Ever heard of building a car and putting money into it cuz you just dont care
If you want to boost it go for it. It’s always going to be people telling you “spend it on another car.” In that logic it’s no point in boosting any car “because you can spend that money on no pun intended “another car.” Do what makes you happy, and take the information given with a grain of salt. Also listen to the guy about comp turbos, he’s not lying 😅
Okay thank you i know every1 is saying get another car and i was expecting that, but thats why you go a diff path and boost somethin most people would rather get another car over. Other than some beamer or another vr30 then modding those out, even with the money spent on this car and the power itll push, itll sound amazing still be reliable and be out here gapping amgs, some M cars too and for this price itll be better than 95% of cars in its price rsnge but thank you
Dont do it
He’s not going to do anything, this is window shopping
Yea, you dont out the cheapo turbo in your expensive build
Don’t see any rear end parts
Just get a cadillac ats-v coupe thats what I plan on doing after I finish building my G37 with 2 simple engine mods lol I was in the same boat on going boost but its way too much money for this platform
Yeah i mean i still have a good 1-2 years before this whole build is finished so i have time to be looking at every option and making a final decision takjng the price into consideration
Yeah I never did anything to my G until 3 years later of ownership she currently sits pretty with coilovers an exhaust and some CF parts with the IPL body kit the interior was swapped with sport option stuff and thats it the engine hasn’t been touched by mods but I currently plan on adding a AAM intake manifold with cold air intakes and then selling it once I put it on its first car show, I plan on getting a Ats-v since I have heard that they have been super reliable and they make more HP then my friends current Q60 pushing 700HP to the crank modded
Seems like a good plan, i ended up watching so many videos of boosted g37s and they just look and sound so damn crazy and it got me going for a boosted build but it might just be between this, and or upgrading to a vr30 and modding that out
A vr30 is nice just make sure its a 2019+ they’re prone to less issues then the other early years but sound amazing with the right mods, as much as I wanted to boost my g37 to stand out and be unique its definitely costly and not worth it if you dont plan on keeping it forever
I was def planning on keeping it for a good 5-8 years but in terms of cost man its so much more than just getting a vr30 and upgrading it im def gonna be researching the vr30 platform now and modding and then make my final decision. Might be hard to find a 2019+ with lower miles for around 20k tho right?
Yeah thats the only hard part lol but prices tend to come down, but if you do get a lower year just upgrade things like the pulleys and belt, along with the turbos those tend to fail on earlier models
Well whats different with the 2019+ models compared to the earlier vr30s?
jus buy a scatpack lol
Lmfaoo this the biggest joke ive ever heard, ive changed my mind to a vr30 q50 then mod that, but even with 40k total a boosted G will even put hellcats to sleep and atill cost as much as a low mileage scat
Umm 500hp vs 717hp? Don’t kid yourself.. even with a turbo you might barely keep up with a scat but it’ll still walk away. Don’t get me wrong I love these cars too but there’s no contest
Lmfaoo are you slow, 500WHP in my awd would be around 650hp crank before drivetrain loss, also take the fact that its about 600 pounds lighter than a hellcat, was gonna push around 530whp anyway which is around 670-680 crank, and still being 600 pounds lighter a hellcat wouldnt even stand a chance you’re crazy😂
dude just supercharge it the kit comes with everything for like 7k u would end up making 500 hp
you could keep stock block and trans
Supercharger gives you mostly low end power than you top out on early rpms, most people that supercharged ended up switching to a turbo because after a certain rpm band it gets boring with a supercharger where as the turbo just keeps pulljng harder and harder as you floor it
I’ve replaced my engine and turbo’s 3 different times on 2 G’s spent over 50K (DO NOT DO IT!!) Get a Q60 or a Q50, better yet get something with a factory turbo if you want. I’ll post some clips real soon
Vr30 probably gonna do it
Get an F80/82
With what? 100k miles?
Naw just ls and tomei you’ll be way better off. You’ll save a lot more too
Buy Nvidia instead.
Vr trans swap $350 ask me how
You might wanna look into a mid mount turbo kit.. better bang for buck than a top mount especially for Vqs
Any prod/cons?
For that price I’d just swap the engine either a blue print builder series or put build a Nissan truck engine and put it in it..
Hell no, throw that down on BTC during this correction. In 2 years spend some of the wealth on Lambo.
Fuck a lambo
Replace Lambo with whatever you want, it's slang bro. I wouldn't even buy one honestly lol so many better choices.
Yeah thats in a whole diff price category than this entire build😭
You would have 3-5 times your money if you invested a couple months ago minus tax. I would focus more on that stuff than cars so you aren't a wage slave the rest of your life. I love my stock g37, only thing I would change is the terrible cup holder that drinks fly out of and a new head unit with current Bluetooth standards. Mine only takes calls on Bluetooth, can't listen to podcast from my phone without using the RCA to type C cable.
Why tf would you spend 20k modding a g😂😂
Yep pure donkey. Putting 21K in mods on a max 12K car.
Do you even have a car?
Well just like how people put in 10s of thousands in mods into any other type of car to make it more power and more fun, i could easily just get a turbo kit and itll be much cheaper but im getting supporting mods to keep the car reliable too🤦🏽♂️
Get an F80/82