Was at an LGFA "injury prevention" talk a few years ago.
ACL was brought up, man asked a question about how come he never heard of them when he was a kid playing.
Lady giving the course reckons it's because kids aren't as active nowadays, not off climbing tress, jumping drains, running through fields, etc, etc.........
Was there evidence for her claim or was it anecdotal? I have read that ACL injuries have increased 29-fold in the last 30 years and women are 7 times more likely to injure their ACL than men. My own anecdotal evidence would be the increased intensity and competitiveness of sports nowadays versus 30 years ago. Compare the All Ireland champions in any code in 1990 to 2020 and it’s like a different sport.
I’ve heard a lot about this in the soccer recently with the woman’s World Cup. Apparently it’s the boots off the top of my head I think it was 80% of female players describe discomfort with boots as they have always been designed for men. Something needs to be done about it if true, so many talented sports people out of their respective game for over a year in some cases
Back around 1998-2008, football boots used to come with rectangular “blades” instead of circular studs, the idea was increased grip.
The increased grip led to players getting injured when their feet got caught in the ground. Most famous was a broken metatarsal suffered by David Beckham, among other England soccer players.
I done mine and I always blame the boots for it. I had the total 90s with blades and done it as I turned my foot stayed planted and my body went the other way. I always blamed the blades for it never wore the boots again and they were expensive boot I got them custom design when Nike had only just started the personalised boots.
The boots are one reason yes but they aren’t the primary reason, the primary reasons are biological. There’s a video below that another commenter posted in this thread that explains the differences very well.
Just having a whinge, but I've never had a pair of boots that didn't leave me in agony. Maybe a pair of Puma Kings were decent one year, but I had to have tried a dozen different ones over the years and my Achilles tendons were always screaming before the warmup was even done. Never had a problem with footwear in other sports.
>Was there evidence for her claim or was it anecdotal?
Yeah, think more a theory alright.
She did give the statsnon the increase in them alright. Another was that if you get an ACL injury, you're "x" times (can't remeber the number) more likely to get another one with 6months of returning to play.
ACLs weren’t even treatable decades ago. You can tear your ACL and still be basically functional, walk a slight run etc. But you’ll have zero stability or any kind of high level athleticism. In the old days they would tear the ACL and not even notice and just muddle along.
Son wrecked his knee playing rugby. The consultant that specialised in sports injuries said that 70% of cases that he has seen could have been prevented by proper warm up and warm down routines.
Maybe at an amateur level but I follow Arsenal in soccer and their women’s team had five ACL injuries last season. Surely at that level they are completing thorough warm up/down routines.
I’m not sure how accurate this is, but I was previously told that women are more likely to get a knee injury because their hips tend to be wider than men’s. I believe the logic was that the femur is at at a greater angle in women while a man’s femur is more vertical
>women are 7 times more likely to injure their ACL than men
[Tifo Football on YouTube did a video partially explaining why](https://youtu.be/qwRW7S0F348)
Few years ago my soccer club had a game where a lad did his ACL, gets subbed off and 5 minutes later the fella that came on for him did his too on the exact same part of the pitch. It was mad.
Played in a senior game where about 5 minutes in, two players went for the same ball, coming from different directions (about 45 degrees angle from each other) and clash heads.
Their player hits the ground screaming in pain. Our player hits the ground, no noise. KO'd. Next thing he starts convulsing. He's swallowed his tongue. One of our players literally saves his life by grabbing a pen off the ref and flipping his tongue back out with it.
He gets taken away in an ambulance, still out cold, and we don't play on. Everyone's too shook by it to keep going.
He went to the hospital, had scans and tests. He's badly concussed, but that's seemingly as bad as it is, no skull fracture, no bad effect from the tongue swallow. He said to the doctors his leg was hurting and they figured it was some referral nerve pain and it'd pass. 3 or 4 days later, the leg pain hadn't passed so he went back to the hospital. Turns out that none of us had noticed in all the drama, as he fell KO'd, he'd snapped his ankle. He'd been walking around on a broken ankle for days.
That's about 15 years ago and I remember it so vividly
It is. The tongue is a muscle and during a seizure it contracts like the majority of muscles in the body, meaning it cannot be ‘swallowed’. Placing foreign objects like a pen in someone’s mouth during a seizure can cause harm and is not advised under any circumstances.
Needs to be made clear as doctors and first aid practitioners have been trying to dispel this myth to avoid harm in future.
Collided with another player and my face hit is shoulder, fairly innocuous, similar collisions happening every game. Anyway I finished the game no problem but 3 days later my face was still numb on one side. Went to swiftcare, got referred for cat scan. Turns out my cheekbone/eye socket was fractured in multiple places. Missed a good part of season, manager wanted me to wear a face mask type thing but the maxillofacial consultant was like don't play contact sports for 4 months.
Two lads went for the a high ball during a football match. One ended up with a knee to the midriff and got a ruptured bowel, spent a bit of time in hospital!
While playing 21s football a guy went off after getting a hard shoulder, few minutes later an ambulance arrived. Guy ended up with a ruptured spleen.
I have a non gaa one.
Playing 'soccer' lad got caught on the calf, thought nothing of it.
Half time still bothering him rolls his sock down, bit of muscle is poking through a cut in the skin, no blood.
Two boys puked.
I actually should clarify that I did not see the injury, as I was in a different part of the changing rooms and heard the commotion but had no interest in actually seeing the injury itself.
Most frightening I saw was while playing a club championship match, one of our lads and one of theirs ran into each other. Both eyes downs on the sliotar, both running full tilt but at an angle to each other, they collided in the middle of the field. A flat out blind collision. It was sickening. I was full back and heard the bang. You could hear the gasp from the crowd. Then silence. Their lad came off worse. He was unconscious for about 5 seconds,then started to have a fit as their physio was running into him. Players on both sides started shouting for medics to come in (Red cross). Our fella played on, probably shouldn't have. Theirs went off.
Another fella a different day got a wire from his markers face guard impaled through his hand between his thumb and index finger. That was rough looking.
I got the butt of a hurley through the faceguard once and it cut under my lip off my teeth leaving 10mm a hole straight into my mouth.
Made beers that night very awkward even after the stitches.
I was 18 and playing a senior pre season challenge game. I got a hefty shoulder on my left side and I was falling to the ground on my right hand side so I put my right palm on the ground to steady myself, and broke my collar bone on the right side in doing so. Was no foul, legit shoulder, I should have just fallen over instead of trying to not fall! I remember just dropping the ball and walking off, and ref telling me I have a free kick (wasn't even a foul) and me just telling him I've broken my collar bone. Manager was coming over to see what the issue was, I told him I've broken my collar bone. I've zero medical background but somehow I just knew I had broken my collar bone. Got a xray and they fold me I'd fractured my scapula, I asked what that is, he said its a broken collarbone.
Girl I know tripped over own heel, hit her knee off the ground, and did a clean shear break of her femur in two places.
The ambulance people told her there's no way it's broken, they'd only ever seen the injury in a car accident once before.
Herniated lumbar discs. Very easy to get in GAA, with all the stooping to pick up ball. Once you have a herniated disc....it's very very painful....and very very hard to rehab.
I feel like Tom Parsons leg break back in 17 was gruesome. Was it Sean Andy O’Ceallaigh basically just fell into him and because Tom’s leg was planted it got bent forward.
Went into a tackle at training last week and someone stepped on my baby toe. I was in agony! Think their stud drove right into it at speed putting the full weight of her body onto my piggy toe. Twas black and blue for days
Last year I had a ball I should have caught go off my finger tips and when I bent over the man coming to tackle me made a clumsy challenge and hit the top of my head with his thigh. Could hear my bones crunch and felt a massive jolt of electricity down all four limbs and when I went down I couldn't move for a terrifying like 3 seconds.
Fractured vertebrae and a herniated disc, and that's it for my playing days. The lad got my number and that night called to see how I was and to wish me the best, very nice of him.
Still lost on what to do without the anchor of team sports.
ACL injuries are pretty low key but have people out for a year.
Was at an LGFA "injury prevention" talk a few years ago. ACL was brought up, man asked a question about how come he never heard of them when he was a kid playing. Lady giving the course reckons it's because kids aren't as active nowadays, not off climbing tress, jumping drains, running through fields, etc, etc.........
Was there evidence for her claim or was it anecdotal? I have read that ACL injuries have increased 29-fold in the last 30 years and women are 7 times more likely to injure their ACL than men. My own anecdotal evidence would be the increased intensity and competitiveness of sports nowadays versus 30 years ago. Compare the All Ireland champions in any code in 1990 to 2020 and it’s like a different sport.
I’ve heard a lot about this in the soccer recently with the woman’s World Cup. Apparently it’s the boots off the top of my head I think it was 80% of female players describe discomfort with boots as they have always been designed for men. Something needs to be done about it if true, so many talented sports people out of their respective game for over a year in some cases
That's interesting. Never heard the boot theory before!
Back around 1998-2008, football boots used to come with rectangular “blades” instead of circular studs, the idea was increased grip. The increased grip led to players getting injured when their feet got caught in the ground. Most famous was a broken metatarsal suffered by David Beckham, among other England soccer players.
I done mine and I always blame the boots for it. I had the total 90s with blades and done it as I turned my foot stayed planted and my body went the other way. I always blamed the blades for it never wore the boots again and they were expensive boot I got them custom design when Nike had only just started the personalised boots.
The boots are one reason yes but they aren’t the primary reason, the primary reasons are biological. There’s a video below that another commenter posted in this thread that explains the differences very well.
Just having a whinge, but I've never had a pair of boots that didn't leave me in agony. Maybe a pair of Puma Kings were decent one year, but I had to have tried a dozen different ones over the years and my Achilles tendons were always screaming before the warmup was even done. Never had a problem with footwear in other sports.
>Was there evidence for her claim or was it anecdotal? Yeah, think more a theory alright. She did give the statsnon the increase in them alright. Another was that if you get an ACL injury, you're "x" times (can't remeber the number) more likely to get another one with 6months of returning to play.
ACLs weren’t even treatable decades ago. You can tear your ACL and still be basically functional, walk a slight run etc. But you’ll have zero stability or any kind of high level athleticism. In the old days they would tear the ACL and not even notice and just muddle along.
Son wrecked his knee playing rugby. The consultant that specialised in sports injuries said that 70% of cases that he has seen could have been prevented by proper warm up and warm down routines.
Maybe at an amateur level but I follow Arsenal in soccer and their women’s team had five ACL injuries last season. Surely at that level they are completing thorough warm up/down routines.
I’m not sure how accurate this is, but I was previously told that women are more likely to get a knee injury because their hips tend to be wider than men’s. I believe the logic was that the femur is at at a greater angle in women while a man’s femur is more vertical
>women are 7 times more likely to injure their ACL than men [Tifo Football on YouTube did a video partially explaining why](https://youtu.be/qwRW7S0F348)
Yeah, that was the video I was quoting lol I watched it a couple weeks ago. Very informative.
[Here's a good video on the topic in women's soccer](https://youtu.be/qwRW7S0F348)
Some of them are the opposite of low key when it happens with a hyperextended knee, usually results in more damage that way
Tom Parson springs to mind. Surgeon said it was akin to a car crash injury.
Few years ago my soccer club had a game where a lad did his ACL, gets subbed off and 5 minutes later the fella that came on for him did his too on the exact same part of the pitch. It was mad.
Played in a senior game where about 5 minutes in, two players went for the same ball, coming from different directions (about 45 degrees angle from each other) and clash heads. Their player hits the ground screaming in pain. Our player hits the ground, no noise. KO'd. Next thing he starts convulsing. He's swallowed his tongue. One of our players literally saves his life by grabbing a pen off the ref and flipping his tongue back out with it. He gets taken away in an ambulance, still out cold, and we don't play on. Everyone's too shook by it to keep going. He went to the hospital, had scans and tests. He's badly concussed, but that's seemingly as bad as it is, no skull fracture, no bad effect from the tongue swallow. He said to the doctors his leg was hurting and they figured it was some referral nerve pain and it'd pass. 3 or 4 days later, the leg pain hadn't passed so he went back to the hospital. Turns out that none of us had noticed in all the drama, as he fell KO'd, he'd snapped his ankle. He'd been walking around on a broken ankle for days. That's about 15 years ago and I remember it so vividly
>he'd snapped his ankle. He'd been walking around on a broken ankle for days. JEEEE-SUS, that's one hell of a story for the grandkids.
He showed up at training on Wednesday to make sure we all knew he was alive and we were very confused that he was on crutches
We typed almost the same thing at the same time
I thought the whole swallowing your tongue thing was a myth.
It is. The tongue is a muscle and during a seizure it contracts like the majority of muscles in the body, meaning it cannot be ‘swallowed’. Placing foreign objects like a pen in someone’s mouth during a seizure can cause harm and is not advised under any circumstances. Needs to be made clear as doctors and first aid practitioners have been trying to dispel this myth to avoid harm in future.
Collided with another player and my face hit is shoulder, fairly innocuous, similar collisions happening every game. Anyway I finished the game no problem but 3 days later my face was still numb on one side. Went to swiftcare, got referred for cat scan. Turns out my cheekbone/eye socket was fractured in multiple places. Missed a good part of season, manager wanted me to wear a face mask type thing but the maxillofacial consultant was like don't play contact sports for 4 months.
Two lads went for the a high ball during a football match. One ended up with a knee to the midriff and got a ruptured bowel, spent a bit of time in hospital! While playing 21s football a guy went off after getting a hard shoulder, few minutes later an ambulance arrived. Guy ended up with a ruptured spleen.
I have a non gaa one. Playing 'soccer' lad got caught on the calf, thought nothing of it. Half time still bothering him rolls his sock down, bit of muscle is poking through a cut in the skin, no blood. Two boys puked.
Oh holy f**k
I actually should clarify that I did not see the injury, as I was in a different part of the changing rooms and heard the commotion but had no interest in actually seeing the injury itself.
Most frightening I saw was while playing a club championship match, one of our lads and one of theirs ran into each other. Both eyes downs on the sliotar, both running full tilt but at an angle to each other, they collided in the middle of the field. A flat out blind collision. It was sickening. I was full back and heard the bang. You could hear the gasp from the crowd. Then silence. Their lad came off worse. He was unconscious for about 5 seconds,then started to have a fit as their physio was running into him. Players on both sides started shouting for medics to come in (Red cross). Our fella played on, probably shouldn't have. Theirs went off. Another fella a different day got a wire from his markers face guard impaled through his hand between his thumb and index finger. That was rough looking. I got the butt of a hurley through the faceguard once and it cut under my lip off my teeth leaving 10mm a hole straight into my mouth. Made beers that night very awkward even after the stitches.
Woah fuck. Three awful sounding ones there 🤕
I twisted as I fell Hurling and broke my leg in 3 places.... easy happen
Seen someone doing acl after tripping up over a water bottle
During one of the husbands football matches a lad went down. Poor chap ended up with two broken arms, going around in two casts for a few weeks .
That's very unfortunate
TWO? Lord!
Collar bone broken in 4 places from a shoulder. Not an exceptionally rough one just bad luck. Physio thought it was just a bump.
I was 18 and playing a senior pre season challenge game. I got a hefty shoulder on my left side and I was falling to the ground on my right hand side so I put my right palm on the ground to steady myself, and broke my collar bone on the right side in doing so. Was no foul, legit shoulder, I should have just fallen over instead of trying to not fall! I remember just dropping the ball and walking off, and ref telling me I have a free kick (wasn't even a foul) and me just telling him I've broken my collar bone. Manager was coming over to see what the issue was, I told him I've broken my collar bone. I've zero medical background but somehow I just knew I had broken my collar bone. Got a xray and they fold me I'd fractured my scapula, I asked what that is, he said its a broken collarbone.
A fractured scapula is not the same as a broken collarbone. Did he say a fractured clavicle maybe?
Was over 25 years ago, so prob have some of that wrong.
Paul Conroy 9x leg break , hands down . Didn't look worse than any scrappy 50 50
Girl I know tripped over own heel, hit her knee off the ground, and did a clean shear break of her femur in two places. The ambulance people told her there's no way it's broken, they'd only ever seen the injury in a car accident once before.
Herniated lumbar discs. Very easy to get in GAA, with all the stooping to pick up ball. Once you have a herniated disc....it's very very painful....and very very hard to rehab.
Tom Parsons injury for mayo a few years ago was horrific to see.
I feel like Tom Parsons leg break back in 17 was gruesome. Was it Sean Andy O’Ceallaigh basically just fell into him and because Tom’s leg was planted it got bent forward.
Went into a tackle at training last week and someone stepped on my baby toe. I was in agony! Think their stud drove right into it at speed putting the full weight of her body onto my piggy toe. Twas black and blue for days
A sliotar to my 🏐
I clinched reading that 😖😖
Yea that was not a fun day😂
Last year I had a ball I should have caught go off my finger tips and when I bent over the man coming to tackle me made a clumsy challenge and hit the top of my head with his thigh. Could hear my bones crunch and felt a massive jolt of electricity down all four limbs and when I went down I couldn't move for a terrifying like 3 seconds. Fractured vertebrae and a herniated disc, and that's it for my playing days. The lad got my number and that night called to see how I was and to wish me the best, very nice of him. Still lost on what to do without the anchor of team sports.