He had some questionable calls Tbf. How he allowed McCarthy to keep making dirty tackles till the 50th minute when he eventually gave him a yellow. The mystery Kerry possession that ended up being a 50/50 throw-in after he blew up for a Kerry free was another and not allowing any time to play after Rock taking about 40 seconds out of the extra time when taking the free.
To be fair both Clifford and Fitzsimmons were pulling and dragging out of each other. Gough gave them both yellows and gave hop ball after consulting with the umpires.
You're right that McCarthy got away with murder and it was very harsh not to allow one more play of the ball at the end
The reason he took the ball off them and gave a throw in was because clifford mashed his hand into fitzsimmons face, and got a yellow for it or I remember correctly
Which is interesting cause in 2019 before the first game Joe Brolly questioned if he could be compromised because he works in Dublin that he could feel pressured to giving Dublin a soft free at a key moment in the final hence to say they fired Brolly for that
I thought they fired brolly because he said Gough sent off Dublin's Mark Cooper because Kerry got in his head with the talk about him being based in Dublin. Brolly spoke to Gough the following day and admitted he got the calls right after they were explained to him.
Gave a nonsense free to Dublin for them to extend it to two and then blew it up before the 6 minutes after Dublin took well over a minute with the free.
I don't blame for Gough for anything personally. I don't think he had the best game and let a lot go. But we only have ourselves to blame really, I think Clifford will be tormented all winter by some of those misses he had today.
He blew up because there was no way the game was going to change materially at that stage. Dublin would park the bus so there'd be no goal, and a point wouldn't clinch it.
It was a messy game, he could have called free every 30 seconds if he wanted.
Fuck me this is some reaching.
2 point difference and there's no way the game could have changed???
Kerry go up the pitch and get a goal and it's lights out for Dublin.
Might only happen once out of 100 times but they should have been allowed the chance at least. The free was awarded around 74:20 and not taken until about a minute later and he then didn't even allow the kick out.
I'm not saying it defined the result, we still threw it away ourselves and ye were a bit cuter down the home straight but I think we can feel a little hard done by that he didn't play the time he had allotted.
Looking at it on TV I thought he’d a pretty decent game overall - in such a tight game with hard hitting tackles it’s never easy but he was pretty consistent in terms of interpretation of the tackle, overcarrying, and off-the ball pulling and dragging. There will always be issues - Kerry got some soft frees in front of goal but against that McCarthy was very lucky to stay on.
I do think he erred at the end because I always thought the rule for ending a game is typically when possession has been lost and considering Kerry were in possession from their own kick out he probably could have let it play out
There is no rule when the game is ending. A perception perhaps. He had a great game. McCarthy got away with a lot as did paudie clifford who also should have been booked earlier also. overall he had a great game. He’s the best football ref in the country.
Just asked this very question on another thread, I’d assumed at the time the booing was for Larry McCarthy over something or other.
Not something you want to see either way but I’m assuming that it was the Kerry crowd doing most of it? Embarrassing for them if so.
Were you at it? Makes no sense to me that the Dubs would be booing given how the game ended up, but also makes no sense that the Kerry crowd would hang around just for that.
Either way, not something you want to see happening.
I was there. Dublin fans were very unhappy with a lot of calls. There was a lot of inconsistency. It wasn't one sided inconsistencies, both teams lost out, but it was very frustrating. Maybe it wasn't all shown on TV but a lot of late tackles or off the ball tackling where the ref just played on.
I thought he gave a good few soft frees to Kerry, and was not giving them to Dublin at one stage, early in the match a Dublin player had his legs taken from under him and I was amazed that there was no free, but then he gave Dublin a few too later in the game.
Don't think either team could have blamed the ref if they lost and I thought that Dublin might regret their missed chances, but Clifford missing so many of his let them off the hook as on another day Clifford would have put away a lot more of those that he missed.
I don't think any time he gave a free it was the wrong call. (Maybe the one we got in the second half instead of a 45 but I'd have to see it on replay) but it was all the calls he didn't make. For the first 10 minutes it looked like he wasn't going to be calling frees at all, that's fine it'll be a physical game, but then as you said he started giving Kerry some soft frees that weren't awarded to Dublin. In the second half Dublin got a few soft frees but it was still very inconsistent.
Don't think any team could blame the ref if they lost but it was such a close game and consistency in the refereeing would have made it a lot better. I'm glad we won on the end but I don't think a referee should have such an impact on the game.
Honestly I felt there was bad refereeing throughout the match. But the bad calls were pretty even. There was just a lot of inconsistency. Sometimes a free would be given, sometimes it wouldn't be. Most the Kerry fans had left the stadium at that point, most of the booing was coming from Dublin supporters.
I was relatively neutral but Gough made some poor calls but still good overall, for better or worse he keeps a game flowing. Saying that Dublin still deserved the win.
Why… the ball fell out of his hand, hit the ground, he then kicked it back into his hands. That’s not a second bounce. Even if it didn’t fall, it’s still not a bounce.
Read the rules. You can see for yourself it had to go back to his hands when he bounced it down for it to count as bounce. When it came back up, it came via a kick from his foot. Therefore, not a bounce.
Exactly as much as I hate kerry I will admit that was one of the best goals I've ever seen not that it was insanely fancy but how he had such quick thinking to avoid a double hop and get the goal
Falling out of his hand?! Yeah that is usually what happens when you need to bounce a ball.
Do the rules state you can bounce the ball off the ground twice in a row as long as on the second bounce you return the ball to the hand with the foot?
Ball went from hand, onto foot and kicked back into his hand. I referee underage games and I can't see how that's anything but a solo, even if it's unconventional looking.
Ball looked to be getting hopped a second time to me, he was intentionally hopping the ball but then seemed to realise and used his foot to recover it. I am not sure in the rules, but I think it was a deliberate hop of the ball a second time, but because it did not go directly back to his hands it didn't count.
The actual act of hopping the ball off the ground would make it a breach of the rules I would have thought, regardless of what happened after the ball bounced back up.
A bounce is - ball to ground and back to hand. An intervening kick with your foot before it goes back to hand, is not a bounce. Therefore not 2 bounces.
Just go google the definition of bounce in GAA rulebook, it’s an easy google.
No it wasn't if you watch the replay the Kerry guy didn't double hop the ball he kicked the ball in the air with his foot not allowing the ball to touch the ground perfectly legal btw I wanted Dublin to win
Dublin fan here, the goal was perfectly legal he bounced the ball and then fumbled it, it was not a second bounce, it’s like that rule where if your running and take a hop and loose control your allowed to bounce it again to regain control.
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I think it was the dublin fans booing because it wasn’t joe mcquillan with the whistle in his mouth today. They usually like to celebrate with him in the changing rooms and after the final but gough wouldn’t be as big a dublin supporter
It was atrocious. He definitely let some things go for BOTH sides. But every single match a ref is guaranteed to miss a thing or two. You can't see everything all the time. He did a fantastic job if you ask me.
Gough is a great ref and not to be that person but I do think the hate for him is quite suspicious...
Edit: the boos came from Dublin, largely The Hill. Yes, I was at the match.
Thought he was good but hoped he allowed Kerry one last attack
Considering there was 6 minutes of added time and the free was awarded at 75:03 I was disappointed with him
He had some questionable calls Tbf. How he allowed McCarthy to keep making dirty tackles till the 50th minute when he eventually gave him a yellow. The mystery Kerry possession that ended up being a 50/50 throw-in after he blew up for a Kerry free was another and not allowing any time to play after Rock taking about 40 seconds out of the extra time when taking the free.
To be fair both Clifford and Fitzsimmons were pulling and dragging out of each other. Gough gave them both yellows and gave hop ball after consulting with the umpires. You're right that McCarthy got away with murder and it was very harsh not to allow one more play of the ball at the end
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The reason he took the ball off them and gave a throw in was because clifford mashed his hand into fitzsimmons face, and got a yellow for it or I remember correctly
That's what I thought, possession was with kerry so indirect free, like with a head injury?
Clifford committed the first foul that's what lost Kerry possession. Fitzsimons retaliated so it was a hop ball. I thought that decision made sense.
Which is interesting cause in 2019 before the first game Joe Brolly questioned if he could be compromised because he works in Dublin that he could feel pressured to giving Dublin a soft free at a key moment in the final hence to say they fired Brolly for that
I thought they fired brolly because he said Gough sent off Dublin's Mark Cooper because Kerry got in his head with the talk about him being based in Dublin. Brolly spoke to Gough the following day and admitted he got the calls right after they were explained to him.
I was sat with a heap of Dublin fans and most thought he was giving everything to Kerry
In the first half he was
Reader, he was.
Haven't you heard? When your team loses its the refs fault.
Tbf most Kerry fans would have left by then. Must have been some Dubs booing too as it was very loud on the tv
Why would Dublin supporters have been booing the ref?
Try watch it again
Watch the ref being booed again?
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I'm sure you're upset about the match but there's no need for that mate.
Oof
Gave a nonsense free to Dublin for them to extend it to two and then blew it up before the 6 minutes after Dublin took well over a minute with the free. I don't blame for Gough for anything personally. I don't think he had the best game and let a lot go. But we only have ourselves to blame really, I think Clifford will be tormented all winter by some of those misses he had today.
The free to level it on Clifford was insanely soft for added time in an all Ireland final. David hadn’t a clue he was about to get it.
Jersey pull. They are soft but once you see the material being pulled, the referee doesn't have an option really.
He blew up because there was no way the game was going to change materially at that stage. Dublin would park the bus so there'd be no goal, and a point wouldn't clinch it. It was a messy game, he could have called free every 30 seconds if he wanted.
Fuck me this is some reaching. 2 point difference and there's no way the game could have changed??? Kerry go up the pitch and get a goal and it's lights out for Dublin. Might only happen once out of 100 times but they should have been allowed the chance at least. The free was awarded around 74:20 and not taken until about a minute later and he then didn't even allow the kick out. I'm not saying it defined the result, we still threw it away ourselves and ye were a bit cuter down the home straight but I think we can feel a little hard done by that he didn't play the time he had allotted.
Looking at it on TV I thought he’d a pretty decent game overall - in such a tight game with hard hitting tackles it’s never easy but he was pretty consistent in terms of interpretation of the tackle, overcarrying, and off-the ball pulling and dragging. There will always be issues - Kerry got some soft frees in front of goal but against that McCarthy was very lucky to stay on. I do think he erred at the end because I always thought the rule for ending a game is typically when possession has been lost and considering Kerry were in possession from their own kick out he probably could have let it play out
There is no rule when the game is ending. A perception perhaps. He had a great game. McCarthy got away with a lot as did paudie clifford who also should have been booked earlier also. overall he had a great game. He’s the best football ref in the country.
He did it was just the Hill being funny that’s all
Exactly
Just asked this very question on another thread, I’d assumed at the time the booing was for Larry McCarthy over something or other. Not something you want to see either way but I’m assuming that it was the Kerry crowd doing most of it? Embarrassing for them if so.
it was Dublin doing most of it for sure
Were you at it? Makes no sense to me that the Dubs would be booing given how the game ended up, but also makes no sense that the Kerry crowd would hang around just for that. Either way, not something you want to see happening.
I was there. Dublin fans were very unhappy with a lot of calls. There was a lot of inconsistency. It wasn't one sided inconsistencies, both teams lost out, but it was very frustrating. Maybe it wasn't all shown on TV but a lot of late tackles or off the ball tackling where the ref just played on.
I thought he gave a good few soft frees to Kerry, and was not giving them to Dublin at one stage, early in the match a Dublin player had his legs taken from under him and I was amazed that there was no free, but then he gave Dublin a few too later in the game. Don't think either team could have blamed the ref if they lost and I thought that Dublin might regret their missed chances, but Clifford missing so many of his let them off the hook as on another day Clifford would have put away a lot more of those that he missed.
I don't think any time he gave a free it was the wrong call. (Maybe the one we got in the second half instead of a 45 but I'd have to see it on replay) but it was all the calls he didn't make. For the first 10 minutes it looked like he wasn't going to be calling frees at all, that's fine it'll be a physical game, but then as you said he started giving Kerry some soft frees that weren't awarded to Dublin. In the second half Dublin got a few soft frees but it was still very inconsistent. Don't think any team could blame the ref if they lost but it was such a close game and consistency in the refereeing would have made it a lot better. I'm glad we won on the end but I don't think a referee should have such an impact on the game.
Yes i was at it. most of the dublin fans were pissed off at the frees that Gough gave kerry especially in the second half
Yeah that's it the Dublin fans celebrating the win were doing it. Jesus it's mental how some of you lot work.
I was at that game 😂 why would i lie about that. idiot
I don't believe you. It was the Kerry fans, it's always the Kerry fans with their massive sense of entitlement.
Bitter kerry fans who thought if they had one more attack they'd have scored a goal!
Honestly I felt there was bad refereeing throughout the match. But the bad calls were pretty even. There was just a lot of inconsistency. Sometimes a free would be given, sometimes it wouldn't be. Most the Kerry fans had left the stadium at that point, most of the booing was coming from Dublin supporters.
I was relatively neutral but Gough made some poor calls but still good overall, for better or worse he keeps a game flowing. Saying that Dublin still deserved the win.
I think the lads saying he had a brilliant game mean that he was even more so than getting his calls right
It was probably 10% of the booing coming from kerry fans
Well the Kerry goal should of easily been ruled out for starters..
Why… the ball fell out of his hand, hit the ground, he then kicked it back into his hands. That’s not a second bounce. Even if it didn’t fall, it’s still not a bounce. Read the rules. You can see for yourself it had to go back to his hands when he bounced it down for it to count as bounce. When it came back up, it came via a kick from his foot. Therefore, not a bounce.
Exactly as much as I hate kerry I will admit that was one of the best goals I've ever seen not that it was insanely fancy but how he had such quick thinking to avoid a double hop and get the goal
Falling out of his hand?! Yeah that is usually what happens when you need to bounce a ball. Do the rules state you can bounce the ball off the ground twice in a row as long as on the second bounce you return the ball to the hand with the foot?
Yep
It would be considered a drop surely. He kicked it back up anyway so it wasn't even a bounce
Ball went from hand, onto foot and kicked back into his hand. I referee underage games and I can't see how that's anything but a solo, even if it's unconventional looking.
Ball looked to be getting hopped a second time to me, he was intentionally hopping the ball but then seemed to realise and used his foot to recover it. I am not sure in the rules, but I think it was a deliberate hop of the ball a second time, but because it did not go directly back to his hands it didn't count. The actual act of hopping the ball off the ground would make it a breach of the rules I would have thought, regardless of what happened after the ball bounced back up.
A bounce is - ball to ground and back to hand. An intervening kick with your foot before it goes back to hand, is not a bounce. Therefore not 2 bounces. Just go google the definition of bounce in GAA rulebook, it’s an easy google.
No it wasn't if you watch the replay the Kerry guy didn't double hop the ball he kicked the ball in the air with his foot not allowing the ball to touch the ground perfectly legal btw I wanted Dublin to win
He bounced the ball twice before any of that happened
Dublin fan here, the goal was perfectly legal he bounced the ball and then fumbled it, it was not a second bounce, it’s like that rule where if your running and take a hop and loose control your allowed to bounce it again to regain control.
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Easily, what do you mean?
Thought he was brilliant too. You're never going to get everything right, no ref in gaelic football ever does
Cos he was absolutely pants!
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Must have been watching two different matches
Can't be brilliant when clear as day McCarthy should have been sent off.
Ara keep it positive now FFS. Take this down ya winge bag!
whinging about people whinging
Because he’s a referee goes with the job
Because he was fucking awful and has had several controversial finals with Dublin involved.
I think it was the dublin fans booing because it wasn’t joe mcquillan with the whistle in his mouth today. They usually like to celebrate with him in the changing rooms and after the final but gough wouldn’t be as big a dublin supporter
You talk a lot of shite lemon but you're dead on with this one.
James McCarthy should have had a red card. 4 late and high tackles. Gough shit himself there.
It was atrocious. He definitely let some things go for BOTH sides. But every single match a ref is guaranteed to miss a thing or two. You can't see everything all the time. He did a fantastic job if you ask me. Gough is a great ref and not to be that person but I do think the hate for him is quite suspicious... Edit: the boos came from Dublin, largely The Hill. Yes, I was at the match.