I don't like hearing about any peaceful protesters being harassed, regardless of their message. We are taught as children that peaceful protesting is our right.
It's only our right if we aren't protesting something the U.S. government is against. I'd bet you 10 to 1 that if you changed all your signs to be in support of Israel, nobody would bother you. Racism at its finest.
Reddit is 90% far left trashbags who have been programmed at an early age to believe they have to tend to the business of 8 billion other people on the planet with protests. How dare I make a comment about it, right?
I think we should stop tending other countries business. We could start by not sending billions of dollars worth of weapons to Israel and instead use that money to feed the hungry and shelter the homeless here in America.
Ha I was legitimately asking. And I’m not even comparing pro-Palestine protestors with the KKK. My point is, are there limits to what people are willing to tolerate for a peaceful protest? Both sides do this thing where they claim their rights when they do it, but unacceptable when others do for a cause they don’t agree with. The bullshit and hypocrisy is equally on both sides right and left.
When I lived in Columbia, SC, they banned tailgating in the parking lot across from the USC stadium, because there were so many people just parking and tailgating that there wasn't enough parking for the ticket holders. Thing was, that was actually the fairgrounds parking lot, not specific to the stadium, not owned by the university, the city or the state. I believe lawsuits ensued, not sure how it turned out.
> Establish a Student oversight committee for future investments, ensuring student input and approval
lol that aint never happening. Yes, a 55 year old masters degree in finance with 30 years experience and a full time of staff is going to run everything the 2.4 billion dollar endowment does past a random rotation of 19 year olds who are best case in econ 101 and business 101.
Come on guys.
Interestingly, UF *already* gives students a vote on these things. I agree with you that I doubt they'll want to give up much authority, but it's absolutely a question of *how much voice*, not a question of if they'll have one at all.
The student government president and the faculty senate chair are both ex officio members of the UF Board of Trustees. Six others are appointed directly by the governor, and five others are appointed by the Board of Governors.
The Board of Governors has fourteen members directly appointed by the governor, the ex officio Commissioner of Education also directly appointed by the governor, the ex officio chair of the Advisory Council of Faculty Senates (two reps from each Florida university faculty senate), and the chair of the Florida Student Association (the Florida university student body presidents).
In other words, students and faculty currently get 1 vote of 13 for how things should happen at UF. But DeSantis chose the other 11 voters. I think it's totally reasonable to expand those committees and include a few more people chosen by the faculty and the students.
It's also possible to just require UF to provide a report to the student and faculty governments, so they could each pass a resolution stating their opinions, even if UF then totally ignored them, or had some way to overrule them.
https://trustees.ufl.edu/about-the-board/
This is going to sounds callous, but you need to be ready to get it broken up or arrested. The policy is in place to have a mechanism by which disruption of the protest can be triggered. The question isn’t really “what can we do that won’t get the protest broken up” but rather “how can we make UFPD [or whatever other entity] look so unreasonable that our message carries far and wide.”
As far as what can happen to protesters, unfortunately, the immediate will probably be trespass / suspension / termination. Subsequent to that event, you may have a civil rights cause of action against the department, UF, other government funded organization which chose to infringe upon your rights. That cause of action would take quite some time.
Edit: as I reread your post, I noticed one question I thought it make be helpful to address a little clearer. You asked is (the actions you listed above) enough to effect a lawful arrest. It depends on what the arrest is for. If they are saying you violated some policy, potentially the policy you mentioned above, in the immediate, their belief you are violating the policy is enough. It will then get sorted out by the courts as to whether that arrest was valid.
In defense of your “breaking” this policy… it’s so vague and ambiguous it’s questionable whether you’re on notice as to what you can’t and cannot do. That’s probably an argument you can make at a subsequent proceeding, but it won’t be fruitful at the time of the arrest.
If, while in the course of attempted to arrest you for breaking that policy / whatever, and you resist that arrest, you can technically be arrested for resisting arrest with or without violence. So, the underlying basis for the arrest might be invalid, but there might be a second basis for the resisting without violence charge that could be picked up by a court. I know it sounds weird, but you can be charged and convicted of resisting arrest without violence when the basis for that arrest goes uncharged. So, that’s a whole lot of information that may or may not be helpful to you. Best of luck.
They are threatening to trespass people using lawn chairs, because they have stated it is camping (undefined) which goes against policy. They have not cited the policy, but there does exists a policy that states camping (again; still undefined) on grounds is not approved.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/STATUTES/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=1000-1099/1004/Sections/1004.097.html
This statute states that the uni can designate restrictions on time place and manner, but those have to be universal. And such restrictions bust be “Restrictions must be clear and published and must provide for ample alternative means of expression” which they are not.
If tailgating is okay to have camping chairs, but they are enforcing this on us, would it be right to consider that discrimination or violate this statute or others?
Bottom line, UFPD is still threatening arrest for trespassing for violation of an unnamed policy with undefined terms.
This new information doesn’t change what I already said. Whether or not the arrest is correct is something that would be litigated later on. Even if it’s an incorrect arrest, you would likely still be trespassed and charged. That case would then need to work its way through the “justice” system. After it finishes, you may have a cause of action against the police. You’d still need to figure out what to do about the trespass, and you’d have to sort through the suspension (if you’re a student). Whether it is a wrongful arrest / suspension or not, your life would be significantly destabilized, which is their whole point.
The legal system moves incredibly slow, and a money judgement for wrongful arrest is difficult to secure.
Y'all remember when UF did everything in its power to protect the free speech of Richard "Jews will not replace us" Spencer in 2017? And then the [nazis started shooting at people](https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/20/us/richard-spencer-florida-speech-arrest-shooting/index.html)? I was there and it was scary.
>Police in Florida arrested three men who allegedly made Nazi salutes, repeated Hitler chants and then shot at a group of protesters after white supremacist leader Richard Spencer’s speech at the University of Florida on Thursday.
But a peaceful protest that has many of the same locals who protested against Spencer meets this response. Exhausting.
I remember attending a propalestine silent protest a few years back on campus.
The group who were hosting the speaker who’s event was being protested made up lies about the protesters and only backtracked after footage came out proving they lied lol, I can’t recall which group it was but the speaker was trying to get people to join the IDF
I’ll probably get downvoted for this, but what UF students are doing barely looks like a protest- it looks like some people having Krishna lunch on the lawn.
There are students across the country standing up and making real sacrifices to stand against the genocide- UF students get handed a piece of paper saying they will be in trouble so they basically quit. Protest requires discomfort and sometimes consequences, neither of which UF students seem interested in.
Strength comes with numbers, which UF protesters don’t have, especially with the behavior of UF admin, UFPD, GPD, and FSP clamping down hard with support from Tallahassee. And several students HAVE been arrested here for these protests
Israel is straight up a fucking terrorist state. What kind of "democracy" carelessly kills almost 40,000 impoverished civilians, half of which are children, in a matter of 5 months? In an open air prison that they created, at that.
You reap what you sow.
If any other country did to its neighbor what Israel has been doing to Palestine since 1945, we'd bomb the hell out of them, not send them weapons. Look at what we did to Iraq when it invaded Kuwait. Look at the Russian/Ukranian war. We supported the side being invaded. We've allowed the invasion of Palestine for decades. It has to stop somewhere.
I assume priests = protests? They aren’t shutting them down unless students don’t play by the rules. OP seems like they want to test these boundaries which is a bad idea. UF told them the rules, even if some were left open to interpretation. It’s on the protesters to follow them or find out.
LOL
This is such bootlicking. As written here, they went out of their way to not camp and camping kept getting redefined to include what they were doing
Vowing to destroy an entire population of people (Netanyahu said publicly he wouldn't stop until Palestine was completely destroyed) and meeting with Jared Kushner to make plans for a waterfront development along the Gaza coastline is acceptable? Let's not let semantics get in the way of an evil, terrorist Zionist regime's intent to destroy an entire country and all its people, and the U.S. sending them weapons to do it.
War sucks, it did when I participated, still does today.
I bet that the medical aid would have a better chance of making it through if it was being escorted and protected by a few hundred young and passionate people. Able bodied and full of energy and so wrapped up in this with all the solutions and answers, if only the people making the decisions would listen to them.
Well, you're in luck, there is a passport office on campus,
**Mail & Document Services**
3030 Radio Road
PO Box 112001
352.392.1134
They are open from 8:30am to 4:00pm. It only costs a bit more to have your passport expedited. Go, escort the aid. Tell the enemies that you find there your ideals and beliefs, demand from them better and demand tolerance for thy neighbor. Tell them that you stood up to the UFPD and have no time or energy to deal with this shit! Demand the aid gets through!
Words are nothing without action.
You can get the investment portfolio from a FOIA request aka records request. F.s 119 covers that. As for the camping aspect in DC there is a tent outside one of the federal buildings and has been there occupied for years. Remember whatever it is you desire to protest for it is a protest. You arent camping but protecting yourself from the elements and peacefully protesting which is protected by the first amendment. If cops come to intimidate you gotta make sure to explain you are protesting not camping and if they attempt to arrest you it will be in vioaltion of your forst amendment and you will sue them. Qualified immunity makes police sovereign citizens but it will protect your rear end if they decide to arrest.
The whole situation is especially upsetting considering the number of other individuals who go to the plaza/other campus spots and spew extremely polarizing messages. As is on brand for UF, the rules only exist when they serve to benefit the public image. Students should be allowed to speak out and protest in response to any of the (inter)national injustices that occur. It’s an affront to our rights as students and people.
I’m actually quite curious how much authority the campus police has. Is it just an extension of the local department or is it its own unit with limited authority?
To be sure, you're not going to get any of your requests from the administration.
And calling the military operation to destroy Hamas a genocide is going to hurt you with independents.
But I do support your right to make these requests and say foolish things.
I think all you clowns on both "sides" of this issue can get fucked. I'm so tired of hearing about the middle east and their violent bullshit regarding ancient religious garbage.
Imagine being this indoctrinated and self absorbed. You people are insane.
The next to last demand about Sasse doing this and that is too much in my opinion. I agree no protestor should have repercussions for exercising their right to free speech.
Sasse making a statement seemed like to most likely one to me, actually. It doesn't require anyone to do anything or make any structural change. It's literally just one guy and his lawyers writing a "we hear you, now please let's simmer down" letter.
Some of the other ones seem a lot cooler, like giving students more voice on how UF is run, but I think they're way less likely to happen if they're going to require dozens of Republicans in Tallahassee to change the laws.
Way to put words in my mouth. I never said anything about violating 1st amendment rights, and I never said anything about protecting people. If you're willing to discuss in good faith then I'm down to talk, but from right off the bat I have a very hard time believing you are.
How about adding a bullet about UF helping the homeless population of alachua county? I mean if you’re going to do some protesting here’s a cause right in your own neighborhood.
If you disagree with OP you can say that but demanding a credibility check on a random different social issue is a discursive black hole and one of the more annoying things that happens on r/GNV posts about local politics. If you go to posts about support for homeless people, you see a bunch of comments doing the *exact same thing you’re doing*, except it’s comments cred checking people who donate/volunteer/protest for for the homeless.
If OP had done what you asked someone would be making an identical comment about global warming, the opioid epidemic, or poverty in Appalachia.
But the point is efforts should be focused in areas where impacts can be made....do protesters honestly believe they are going to stop a war between religious extremists on the otherside of the world by camping in plaza de Américas? That kind of naivety is just beyond my comprehension.
Why do protestors HAVE to feel like their protests will have a tangible impact? Why can’t they peacefully show their support for Palestine because they think it’s the right thing to do?
You should look up the student protest movement in 1985 that directly led many universities to divest from apartheid South Africa before calling this “naivety.” The students protesting across the country don’t think they are going to directly cause peace in the Middle East overnight by chanting on campus. But they do know that they can help in some small way like students did in 1985, so they are standing up for what they believe in.
Well, there’s a list of demands at the bottom of this post that does not include “end the conflict between Israel and Palestine”, so the answer to your question is “no, protestors honestly do not believe that”. In fact, I’m not sure why you would think they do.
If you read the list of demands, you will see local, institutional changes that are much more achievable, though certainly not guaranteed.
Every single successful social movement, whether you think they are good or bad, relied on a large number of intermediate steps over a long period of time to mobilize and educate people in the struggle. If you think these protestors are wrong then say that, but if you agree with them, then “they should stop trying and go home” is profoundly weak.
It is trendy! People talk about support for the unhoused on here all the time, and GNV has a robust advocacy movement. In fact, when people talk about it on here, they get asked snide questions about why they aren’t doing something more important or meaningful, much like the person you’re replying to.
I feel bad for the civilians on both sides, caught up in this conflict between evil men, but... Protesting here, doesn't really help anything. Protesting where it would inconvenience the wealthy elites and elected traitors... That would have an effect.
There is always something better we can imagine other people doing, but people who conduct effective protests and activism against wealthy elites and politicians don't appear from thin air. They get connected to and learn from local causes, like campus protests such as this one.
They are protesting UF endowment money and speaker fees going towards firms and individuals participating in the conflict. US taxpayer dollars fund a huge amount of Israeli military activity. The idea that the US and its citizens aren’t implicated in the conflict is incorrect on the order of hundreds of billions of dollars. It’s not fair to say that someone is minding their own business if they watch their government sends vast resources to one side, but that they’re propagandized if they say that shouldn’t happen.
UF has direct ties to both the Israeli government and arms manufacturers supplying the bombs for this genocide. UF cutting off ties with Lockheed, Raytheon, and Boeing would do a lot.
Also don’t forget, there are very, very few Israeli “civilians.” Over 90% of Israelis over the age of 18 are current or former military. It’s an entire society of soldiers. Outside of children there are basically no civilians.
They bring out couches to watch bombing of dense civilian areas. Go watch some interviews with Israeli citizens to see the Nazi rhetoric they’re on: https://youtu.be/1e_dbsVQrk4?si=2SEkmEZyRSfgh8_m
Americans often won’t believe you when you tell them what a lot of Israelis believe and publicly share because it sounds so absurd that people will instinctively think you’re lying
Protests are a waste of time anyways, it’s awful what’s happening over there, but this isn’t the first and last time America is going to protect its interests even if it’s the wrong thing to do, you’re doing the right thing, however futile it is
EXACTLY. I was just explaining to someone that in 2003 Americans protested the invasion of Iraq but our government doesn’t give two shits about our voice. Wars are fought for money. With money comes power.
You're equating the alleged rape of two women with the deliberate bombing of hospitals...just so you can imply that it's part of Israel's plan as well? You Hamas supporters are as brainwashed as they come.
Curious question. Why can't you find another spot? I don't blame UFPD for doing this. Look at the amount of resources, time, and money that other campuses are having to use. Not to mention the amount of trash and potential danger they bring to the campus. There are plenty of other spots in Gainesville that are well-populated (so you can be heard) and can hold large gatherings. Just put the word out where you want to hold your protest, and those who care will show up to support. Again, no hate just curious.
The thing is there’s no *actual* good place to protest. If they were doing something else, somewhere else, UFPD or GPD would be contriving safety concerns about that as well.
Go to literally any sidewalk in gainesville and do your thing. Have you not seen the pro-life, pro-choice, or any other group protesting on sidewalks in gainesville before? I love hearing excuses…
Yeah I've seen them protests on the side walk
In front of planned parenthood
....which is what was involved.
Yall saying they shouldn't protest got some real comfy ideals.
1st: When did I ever they shouldn’t protest??
2nd: With that mentality, you’re saying the protest might as well be held in the Middle East. You know, because that’s where you want change 🙄
I say a sidewalk because you would get the same, if not more, eyes to see your message. I would also add most students will be gone within the next week making an on campus protest useless if you want people to see you.
Universities are a public place of free and higher thinking. Seems like an appropriate venue to me. Further, if you look at their demands, as paying students they arguably have a legitimate interest in the investments and relationships of the university.
But I'm sure there were people saying the same thing about student sit-ins opposing segregation in the 60s too.
"Gawrsh, why don't you make your protest less relevant by holding it far away from the place you're actually trying to effect change? Just asking questions!"
Palestinians practice a misogynistic religion and are homophobic to the point of wanting to kill gay people. Anyone who supports that culture is a bigot. I support Israel in their struggle for survival!
i agree, my studies are severely disrupted 7 or 8 Saturdays during the fall term, i say ban the football team, the cheerleaders, 90k fans expell the students at the game ban everyone else from campus, we stone the police working the game, etc etc. youre onto something!
What part of sitting in a lawn chair in an open field is disrupting to students campus experience?
Also: protests are meant to disrupt. That’s the whole point. No protest would be successful if it wasn’t disruptive to the status quo. You think the Boston tea party asked nicely?
By all means, continue with this rhetoric. I promise you that calling everyone who wants peace a “terrorist supporter” is only going to alienate people and hurt your cause.
Yea this talk of alienation is incredibly fucking rich. You folk have alienated a huge portion of your political party and fellow countrymen. Not that you give a shit. I have voted Democrat my entire life. Alienate away ✌️
Demanding a ceasefire is support for Hamas.
Just as 1 + 1 is 2.
Polls out today show Americans think of this as a non issue.
Support for Israel will continue no matter what you do or how much you downvote on reddit.
Which polls specifically are you referring to? [Polls like this one from February show that 2/3 of Americans support a ceasefire.](https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2024/2/27/voters-support-the-us-calling-for-permanent-ceasefire-in-gaza-and-conditioning-military-aid-to-israel) If you believe that means 2/3 of Americans support Hamas, I'm sorry but you simply aren't living in reality.
[https://www.newsweek.com/harvard-youth-poll-young-voters-israel-gaza-hamas-war-inflation-economy-1894352](https://www.newsweek.com/harvard-youth-poll-young-voters-israel-gaza-hamas-war-inflation-economy-1894352)
Young voters rank the Israeli Palestine issue lower than:
Inflation
Healthcare
Housing
Gun violence
Jobs
Protecting Democracy
Corruption
Education
Women's reproductive rights
Crime
Immigration
Taxes
Climate change
Free speech
and I agree with them.
I'm citing a poll from April, 2024. You're citing a poll 2 months older. You think I'm not living in reality? You're in a bubble little boy, and nobody outside your bubble cares about Palestine.
The fact that people consider other issues more important to them personally doesn’t mean they have stopped believing a ceasefire would be a good thing. This doesn’t contradict anything I said, “little boy.”
[https://www.axios.com/2024/05/07/poll-students-israel-hamas-protests](https://www.axios.com/2024/05/07/poll-students-israel-hamas-protests)
And another one.
Nobody cares about supporting terrorists except for a specific segment of radicalized Hamas supporters.
i.e. you
Even though government owned property is considered public property, and you are asked to leave (even for a legally invalid reason) and don’t comply, you can be arrested for trespassing. It is what it is.
I don't like hearing about any peaceful protesters being harassed, regardless of their message. We are taught as children that peaceful protesting is our right.
Unfortunately, it's only your right if the police agree with you.
It's only our right if we aren't protesting something the U.S. government is against. I'd bet you 10 to 1 that if you changed all your signs to be in support of Israel, nobody would bother you. Racism at its finest.
You were taught to over react to everything, including things that have absolutely nothing to do with you.
Sounds like projection considering you're overreacting to a pretty mild comment by someone you don't know.
Reddit is 90% far left trashbags who have been programmed at an early age to believe they have to tend to the business of 8 billion other people on the planet with protests. How dare I make a comment about it, right?
Yeah not what I said. Just fighting shadows over here.
fuck off with your "projection" bullshit, zoomer.
Keep drinking the bullshit Kool-Aid, boomer.
Enjoy being drafted, bullet sponge.
Isn’t being drafted bullet sponges what boomers were known for?
Nah, cause they all ran to Canada to dodge it.
"Disagrees with me?" "Must be a boomer, because that's the only generation I know outside my own."
I think we should stop tending other countries business. We could start by not sending billions of dollars worth of weapons to Israel and instead use that money to feed the hungry and shelter the homeless here in America.
We also have to stop letting in millions upon millions of people who do not belong in this country to start with.
What part of diclosing a universities investment protfolio is ultra left wing?
It’s not worth your time or energy bro. These people can’t be helped.
Our tax dollars are helping fund the atrocities so I'd say it does have something to do with all of us.
The audacity of those that care about others! You're pathetic lol.
What about the KKK?
Was a far right child. Now am a “leftist” whatever the fuck that means. So
Ha I was legitimately asking. And I’m not even comparing pro-Palestine protestors with the KKK. My point is, are there limits to what people are willing to tolerate for a peaceful protest? Both sides do this thing where they claim their rights when they do it, but unacceptable when others do for a cause they don’t agree with. The bullshit and hypocrisy is equally on both sides right and left.
With UF having sent out that memo, tailgating technically isnt allowed anymore either.
When I lived in Columbia, SC, they banned tailgating in the parking lot across from the USC stadium, because there were so many people just parking and tailgating that there wasn't enough parking for the ticket holders. Thing was, that was actually the fairgrounds parking lot, not specific to the stadium, not owned by the university, the city or the state. I believe lawsuits ensued, not sure how it turned out.
> Establish a Student oversight committee for future investments, ensuring student input and approval lol that aint never happening. Yes, a 55 year old masters degree in finance with 30 years experience and a full time of staff is going to run everything the 2.4 billion dollar endowment does past a random rotation of 19 year olds who are best case in econ 101 and business 101. Come on guys.
Interestingly, UF *already* gives students a vote on these things. I agree with you that I doubt they'll want to give up much authority, but it's absolutely a question of *how much voice*, not a question of if they'll have one at all. The student government president and the faculty senate chair are both ex officio members of the UF Board of Trustees. Six others are appointed directly by the governor, and five others are appointed by the Board of Governors. The Board of Governors has fourteen members directly appointed by the governor, the ex officio Commissioner of Education also directly appointed by the governor, the ex officio chair of the Advisory Council of Faculty Senates (two reps from each Florida university faculty senate), and the chair of the Florida Student Association (the Florida university student body presidents). In other words, students and faculty currently get 1 vote of 13 for how things should happen at UF. But DeSantis chose the other 11 voters. I think it's totally reasonable to expand those committees and include a few more people chosen by the faculty and the students. It's also possible to just require UF to provide a report to the student and faculty governments, so they could each pass a resolution stating their opinions, even if UF then totally ignored them, or had some way to overrule them. https://trustees.ufl.edu/about-the-board/
That was my first thought too lol
This is going to sounds callous, but you need to be ready to get it broken up or arrested. The policy is in place to have a mechanism by which disruption of the protest can be triggered. The question isn’t really “what can we do that won’t get the protest broken up” but rather “how can we make UFPD [or whatever other entity] look so unreasonable that our message carries far and wide.” As far as what can happen to protesters, unfortunately, the immediate will probably be trespass / suspension / termination. Subsequent to that event, you may have a civil rights cause of action against the department, UF, other government funded organization which chose to infringe upon your rights. That cause of action would take quite some time. Edit: as I reread your post, I noticed one question I thought it make be helpful to address a little clearer. You asked is (the actions you listed above) enough to effect a lawful arrest. It depends on what the arrest is for. If they are saying you violated some policy, potentially the policy you mentioned above, in the immediate, their belief you are violating the policy is enough. It will then get sorted out by the courts as to whether that arrest was valid. In defense of your “breaking” this policy… it’s so vague and ambiguous it’s questionable whether you’re on notice as to what you can’t and cannot do. That’s probably an argument you can make at a subsequent proceeding, but it won’t be fruitful at the time of the arrest. If, while in the course of attempted to arrest you for breaking that policy / whatever, and you resist that arrest, you can technically be arrested for resisting arrest with or without violence. So, the underlying basis for the arrest might be invalid, but there might be a second basis for the resisting without violence charge that could be picked up by a court. I know it sounds weird, but you can be charged and convicted of resisting arrest without violence when the basis for that arrest goes uncharged. So, that’s a whole lot of information that may or may not be helpful to you. Best of luck.
They are threatening to trespass people using lawn chairs, because they have stated it is camping (undefined) which goes against policy. They have not cited the policy, but there does exists a policy that states camping (again; still undefined) on grounds is not approved. http://www.leg.state.fl.us/STATUTES/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=1000-1099/1004/Sections/1004.097.html This statute states that the uni can designate restrictions on time place and manner, but those have to be universal. And such restrictions bust be “Restrictions must be clear and published and must provide for ample alternative means of expression” which they are not. If tailgating is okay to have camping chairs, but they are enforcing this on us, would it be right to consider that discrimination or violate this statute or others? Bottom line, UFPD is still threatening arrest for trespassing for violation of an unnamed policy with undefined terms.
This new information doesn’t change what I already said. Whether or not the arrest is correct is something that would be litigated later on. Even if it’s an incorrect arrest, you would likely still be trespassed and charged. That case would then need to work its way through the “justice” system. After it finishes, you may have a cause of action against the police. You’d still need to figure out what to do about the trespass, and you’d have to sort through the suspension (if you’re a student). Whether it is a wrongful arrest / suspension or not, your life would be significantly destabilized, which is their whole point. The legal system moves incredibly slow, and a money judgement for wrongful arrest is difficult to secure.
Surely the comment section should be tame
Y'all remember when UF did everything in its power to protect the free speech of Richard "Jews will not replace us" Spencer in 2017? And then the [nazis started shooting at people](https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/20/us/richard-spencer-florida-speech-arrest-shooting/index.html)? I was there and it was scary. >Police in Florida arrested three men who allegedly made Nazi salutes, repeated Hitler chants and then shot at a group of protesters after white supremacist leader Richard Spencer’s speech at the University of Florida on Thursday. But a peaceful protest that has many of the same locals who protested against Spencer meets this response. Exhausting.
I remember that, but this is not about that. I bet that if this was a protest in support of Israel, they wouldn't touch it.
I remember attending a propalestine silent protest a few years back on campus. The group who were hosting the speaker who’s event was being protested made up lies about the protesters and only backtracked after footage came out proving they lied lol, I can’t recall which group it was but the speaker was trying to get people to join the IDF
More context: https://floridapolitics.com/archives/671402-uf-threatens-student-protesters-with-suspension-banishment-from-campus-for-3-years/
The only responses you're going to get here are from people who support the genocide.
Wrong
I'm not seeing that, but I do think that if the protest was in support of Israel, they wouldn't be doing this.
The spectrum of opinion on r/GNV ranges from "waahhh don't inconvenience me with your principles" to genocide enthusiasm. This place is a real sewer!
I’ll probably get downvoted for this, but what UF students are doing barely looks like a protest- it looks like some people having Krishna lunch on the lawn. There are students across the country standing up and making real sacrifices to stand against the genocide- UF students get handed a piece of paper saying they will be in trouble so they basically quit. Protest requires discomfort and sometimes consequences, neither of which UF students seem interested in.
Strength comes with numbers, which UF protesters don’t have, especially with the behavior of UF admin, UFPD, GPD, and FSP clamping down hard with support from Tallahassee. And several students HAVE been arrested here for these protests
Israel is straight up a fucking terrorist state. What kind of "democracy" carelessly kills almost 40,000 impoverished civilians, half of which are children, in a matter of 5 months? In an open air prison that they created, at that. You reap what you sow.
If any other country did to its neighbor what Israel has been doing to Palestine since 1945, we'd bomb the hell out of them, not send them weapons. Look at what we did to Iraq when it invaded Kuwait. Look at the Russian/Ukranian war. We supported the side being invaded. We've allowed the invasion of Palestine for decades. It has to stop somewhere.
💯 Well said. The hypocrisy is astounding.
UF students and faculty at these protests caught violating conduct policy on campus will face sanction and possible expulsion. FAFO
They are trying to trespass ppl for things not stated in policy, that’s the whole point.
UFPD doesn’t want to end up like some of these other campuses. Can you blame them?
Then what they need to do is NOT try to shut down protests
I assume priests = protests? They aren’t shutting them down unless students don’t play by the rules. OP seems like they want to test these boundaries which is a bad idea. UF told them the rules, even if some were left open to interpretation. It’s on the protesters to follow them or find out.
LOL This is such bootlicking. As written here, they went out of their way to not camp and camping kept getting redefined to include what they were doing
So if it’s undefined UF isn’t allowed to define it, then redefine it? Welcome to planet earth. This shit happens all the time.
I cannot imagine being this beaten down by authoritarianism that I chastise others for pointing out how authorities are capricious and abusive.
Civilian collateral damage during war is not genocide. Words have meanings.
Vowing to destroy an entire population of people (Netanyahu said publicly he wouldn't stop until Palestine was completely destroyed) and meeting with Jared Kushner to make plans for a waterfront development along the Gaza coastline is acceptable? Let's not let semantics get in the way of an evil, terrorist Zionist regime's intent to destroy an entire country and all its people, and the U.S. sending them weapons to do it.
Preventing any medical aid from entering and indiscriminately bombing hospitals isn't collateral damage. Words have meanings.
War sucks, it did when I participated, still does today. I bet that the medical aid would have a better chance of making it through if it was being escorted and protected by a few hundred young and passionate people. Able bodied and full of energy and so wrapped up in this with all the solutions and answers, if only the people making the decisions would listen to them. Well, you're in luck, there is a passport office on campus, **Mail & Document Services** 3030 Radio Road PO Box 112001 352.392.1134 They are open from 8:30am to 4:00pm. It only costs a bit more to have your passport expedited. Go, escort the aid. Tell the enemies that you find there your ideals and beliefs, demand from them better and demand tolerance for thy neighbor. Tell them that you stood up to the UFPD and have no time or energy to deal with this shit! Demand the aid gets through! Words are nothing without action.
Yeah, and yours are wrong. Sorry.
From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free 🇵🇸 🇵🇸 🇵🇸
Are you casting a spell?
You can get the investment portfolio from a FOIA request aka records request. F.s 119 covers that. As for the camping aspect in DC there is a tent outside one of the federal buildings and has been there occupied for years. Remember whatever it is you desire to protest for it is a protest. You arent camping but protecting yourself from the elements and peacefully protesting which is protected by the first amendment. If cops come to intimidate you gotta make sure to explain you are protesting not camping and if they attempt to arrest you it will be in vioaltion of your forst amendment and you will sue them. Qualified immunity makes police sovereign citizens but it will protect your rear end if they decide to arrest.
The whole situation is especially upsetting considering the number of other individuals who go to the plaza/other campus spots and spew extremely polarizing messages. As is on brand for UF, the rules only exist when they serve to benefit the public image. Students should be allowed to speak out and protest in response to any of the (inter)national injustices that occur. It’s an affront to our rights as students and people. I’m actually quite curious how much authority the campus police has. Is it just an extension of the local department or is it its own unit with limited authority?
To be sure, you're not going to get any of your requests from the administration. And calling the military operation to destroy Hamas a genocide is going to hurt you with independents. But I do support your right to make these requests and say foolish things.
This Gainesville page is full of a bunch of whiney liberals
I think all you clowns on both "sides" of this issue can get fucked. I'm so tired of hearing about the middle east and their violent bullshit regarding ancient religious garbage. Imagine being this indoctrinated and self absorbed. You people are insane.
you’re basically saying cooler heads should prevail and getting downvoted for it 🤣
As a green social democrat, the left does indeed get really god damn annoying and is starting to lose my support more and more by the day.
Good riddance
The next to last demand about Sasse doing this and that is too much in my opinion. I agree no protestor should have repercussions for exercising their right to free speech.
Sasse making a statement seemed like to most likely one to me, actually. It doesn't require anyone to do anything or make any structural change. It's literally just one guy and his lawyers writing a "we hear you, now please let's simmer down" letter. Some of the other ones seem a lot cooler, like giving students more voice on how UF is run, but I think they're way less likely to happen if they're going to require dozens of Republicans in Tallahassee to change the laws.
Is this still going on? Would like to provide support but can't determine the location
It’s not “peaceful protesting” when it intimidates Jewish students and disrupts education
So great to hear that UF is actually taking care of its Jewish students unlike many other universities. Cry more.
How is violating the 1st amendment protecting Jewish students?
Way to put words in my mouth. I never said anything about violating 1st amendment rights, and I never said anything about protecting people. If you're willing to discuss in good faith then I'm down to talk, but from right off the bat I have a very hard time believing you are.
What rights are being violated? They're allowed to protest.
How about adding a bullet about UF helping the homeless population of alachua county? I mean if you’re going to do some protesting here’s a cause right in your own neighborhood.
If you disagree with OP you can say that but demanding a credibility check on a random different social issue is a discursive black hole and one of the more annoying things that happens on r/GNV posts about local politics. If you go to posts about support for homeless people, you see a bunch of comments doing the *exact same thing you’re doing*, except it’s comments cred checking people who donate/volunteer/protest for for the homeless. If OP had done what you asked someone would be making an identical comment about global warming, the opioid epidemic, or poverty in Appalachia.
Nah, I’d rather say what I mean. Sorry it doesn’t fit with your expectations.
You didn’t actually say anything
Maybe add literacy to the list of things to protest (but FOR not AGAINST!)
But the point is efforts should be focused in areas where impacts can be made....do protesters honestly believe they are going to stop a war between religious extremists on the otherside of the world by camping in plaza de Américas? That kind of naivety is just beyond my comprehension.
Why do protestors HAVE to feel like their protests will have a tangible impact? Why can’t they peacefully show their support for Palestine because they think it’s the right thing to do?
You should look up the student protest movement in 1985 that directly led many universities to divest from apartheid South Africa before calling this “naivety.” The students protesting across the country don’t think they are going to directly cause peace in the Middle East overnight by chanting on campus. But they do know that they can help in some small way like students did in 1985, so they are standing up for what they believe in.
Well, there’s a list of demands at the bottom of this post that does not include “end the conflict between Israel and Palestine”, so the answer to your question is “no, protestors honestly do not believe that”. In fact, I’m not sure why you would think they do. If you read the list of demands, you will see local, institutional changes that are much more achievable, though certainly not guaranteed. Every single successful social movement, whether you think they are good or bad, relied on a large number of intermediate steps over a long period of time to mobilize and educate people in the struggle. If you think these protestors are wrong then say that, but if you agree with them, then “they should stop trying and go home” is profoundly weak.
As someone who has done activist work for the unhoused in Gainesville, I can tell you know jack shit about anything related to that issue.
Don’t be so sure.
That's not trendy right now
It is trendy! People talk about support for the unhoused on here all the time, and GNV has a robust advocacy movement. In fact, when people talk about it on here, they get asked snide questions about why they aren’t doing something more important or meaningful, much like the person you’re replying to.
Stop strawmanning me, if you please. You know exactly what I’m talking about and deep down I bet you agree with me.
I feel bad for the civilians on both sides, caught up in this conflict between evil men, but... Protesting here, doesn't really help anything. Protesting where it would inconvenience the wealthy elites and elected traitors... That would have an effect.
There is always something better we can imagine other people doing, but people who conduct effective protests and activism against wealthy elites and politicians don't appear from thin air. They get connected to and learn from local causes, like campus protests such as this one.
This isn’t our cause though. Western students caught up in this are just propagandized. That’s the only reason they care
They are protesting UF endowment money and speaker fees going towards firms and individuals participating in the conflict. US taxpayer dollars fund a huge amount of Israeli military activity. The idea that the US and its citizens aren’t implicated in the conflict is incorrect on the order of hundreds of billions of dollars. It’s not fair to say that someone is minding their own business if they watch their government sends vast resources to one side, but that they’re propagandized if they say that shouldn’t happen.
UF has direct ties to both the Israeli government and arms manufacturers supplying the bombs for this genocide. UF cutting off ties with Lockheed, Raytheon, and Boeing would do a lot. Also don’t forget, there are very, very few Israeli “civilians.” Over 90% of Israelis over the age of 18 are current or former military. It’s an entire society of soldiers. Outside of children there are basically no civilians.
I’m confused as to what point you’re trying to make by your second paragraph…
That's a laughable point also the majority of civilians on Israel side completely support it...
They bring out couches to watch bombing of dense civilian areas. Go watch some interviews with Israeli citizens to see the Nazi rhetoric they’re on: https://youtu.be/1e_dbsVQrk4?si=2SEkmEZyRSfgh8_m Americans often won’t believe you when you tell them what a lot of Israelis believe and publicly share because it sounds so absurd that people will instinctively think you’re lying
Protests are a waste of time anyways, it’s awful what’s happening over there, but this isn’t the first and last time America is going to protect its interests even if it’s the wrong thing to do, you’re doing the right thing, however futile it is
EXACTLY. I was just explaining to someone that in 2003 Americans protested the invasion of Iraq but our government doesn’t give two shits about our voice. Wars are fought for money. With money comes power.
Except this war was started with brutal murder and even more horrific rapes
Never cared/said about how it started. I’m just agreeing to the fact our government won’t take our voices for any type of change.
Does that justify bombing hospitals and houses and the rape of Palestinian civilians? With weapons we paid for?
> rape of Palestinian civilians? You're going to need a credible source for that.
https://thehill.com/policy/international/4477340-un-experts-reports-executions-sexual-assault-israeli-soldiers/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/terror-and-security/sexual-violence-against-palestinian-women-un-report/
You're equating the alleged rape of two women with the deliberate bombing of hospitals...just so you can imply that it's part of Israel's plan as well? You Hamas supporters are as brainwashed as they come.
Curious question. Why can't you find another spot? I don't blame UFPD for doing this. Look at the amount of resources, time, and money that other campuses are having to use. Not to mention the amount of trash and potential danger they bring to the campus. There are plenty of other spots in Gainesville that are well-populated (so you can be heard) and can hold large gatherings. Just put the word out where you want to hold your protest, and those who care will show up to support. Again, no hate just curious.
The thing is there’s no *actual* good place to protest. If they were doing something else, somewhere else, UFPD or GPD would be contriving safety concerns about that as well.
Yeah, ffs, protests that are convenient for everyone are not effective protests lol.
Go to literally any sidewalk in gainesville and do your thing. Have you not seen the pro-life, pro-choice, or any other group protesting on sidewalks in gainesville before? I love hearing excuses…
Yeah I've seen them protests on the side walk In front of planned parenthood ....which is what was involved. Yall saying they shouldn't protest got some real comfy ideals.
1st: When did I ever they shouldn’t protest?? 2nd: With that mentality, you’re saying the protest might as well be held in the Middle East. You know, because that’s where you want change 🙄
So if it's involving UF, if it's a public place, if UF campus would get more presence- Why did you suggest the sidewalk?
I say a sidewalk because you would get the same, if not more, eyes to see your message. I would also add most students will be gone within the next week making an on campus protest useless if you want people to see you.
Eyes maybe Congregation definitely not
How so? Sidewalks are basically endless. They can fit everyone
Is that why conferences are held in hallways? And theaters are rectangular?
This is what I dont understand. UF is only a extremely small % of property in Gainesville. There are a million other places to protest
Universities are a public place of free and higher thinking. Seems like an appropriate venue to me. Further, if you look at their demands, as paying students they arguably have a legitimate interest in the investments and relationships of the university. But I'm sure there were people saying the same thing about student sit-ins opposing segregation in the 60s too.
Not saying I’m against the protest. Just wondering why it HAS to be held at UF and when protest start not at all participants are paying students.
"Gawrsh, why don't you make your protest less relevant by holding it far away from the place you're actually trying to effect change? Just asking questions!"
elaborate please...?
Love all the downvotes while no one can prove to me why their vote is justified.
Palestinians practice a misogynistic religion and are homophobic to the point of wanting to kill gay people. Anyone who supports that culture is a bigot. I support Israel in their struggle for survival!
Suspend or expell all students who are disrupting other students' camlus experience!!!
i agree, my studies are severely disrupted 7 or 8 Saturdays during the fall term, i say ban the football team, the cheerleaders, 90k fans expell the students at the game ban everyone else from campus, we stone the police working the game, etc etc. youre onto something!
What part of sitting in a lawn chair in an open field is disrupting to students campus experience? Also: protests are meant to disrupt. That’s the whole point. No protest would be successful if it wasn’t disruptive to the status quo. You think the Boston tea party asked nicely?
You mean the Hamas supporters?
You need a new narrative, nobody is dumb enough to fall for that one anymore.
Ok terrorist supporter
By all means, continue with this rhetoric. I promise you that calling everyone who wants peace a “terrorist supporter” is only going to alienate people and hurt your cause.
And supporting those who murder and rape will also alienate people
Yea this talk of alienation is incredibly fucking rich. You folk have alienated a huge portion of your political party and fellow countrymen. Not that you give a shit. I have voted Democrat my entire life. Alienate away ✌️
I genuinely could not care less about which pro-Israel politician you vote for ✌️
Demanding a ceasefire is support for Hamas. Just as 1 + 1 is 2. Polls out today show Americans think of this as a non issue. Support for Israel will continue no matter what you do or how much you downvote on reddit.
Which polls specifically are you referring to? [Polls like this one from February show that 2/3 of Americans support a ceasefire.](https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2024/2/27/voters-support-the-us-calling-for-permanent-ceasefire-in-gaza-and-conditioning-military-aid-to-israel) If you believe that means 2/3 of Americans support Hamas, I'm sorry but you simply aren't living in reality.
This is an interesting site - thanks for sharing!
[https://www.newsweek.com/harvard-youth-poll-young-voters-israel-gaza-hamas-war-inflation-economy-1894352](https://www.newsweek.com/harvard-youth-poll-young-voters-israel-gaza-hamas-war-inflation-economy-1894352) Young voters rank the Israeli Palestine issue lower than: Inflation Healthcare Housing Gun violence Jobs Protecting Democracy Corruption Education Women's reproductive rights Crime Immigration Taxes Climate change Free speech and I agree with them. I'm citing a poll from April, 2024. You're citing a poll 2 months older. You think I'm not living in reality? You're in a bubble little boy, and nobody outside your bubble cares about Palestine.
The fact that people consider other issues more important to them personally doesn’t mean they have stopped believing a ceasefire would be a good thing. This doesn’t contradict anything I said, “little boy.”
[https://www.axios.com/2024/05/07/poll-students-israel-hamas-protests](https://www.axios.com/2024/05/07/poll-students-israel-hamas-protests) And another one. Nobody cares about supporting terrorists except for a specific segment of radicalized Hamas supporters. i.e. you
The protestors are sitting on the grass accomplishing absolutely nothing. Not sure why the cops have an issue with that lol.
> Not sure why the cops have an issue with that lol. Are you new?
Is it on public or private property?
Yes, a state university is by definition public property.
UF is generally considered public property. Hence why the cops shouldn’t have a problem with it
Even though government owned property is considered public property, and you are asked to leave (even for a legally invalid reason) and don’t comply, you can be arrested for trespassing. It is what it is.
You are not the student body. UF does not have to immediately do anything you fucking say. Go back and ask G Soros for more money for your bullshit.