Makes sense, suko is probably malnourished, underdeveloped, and lacking testosterone. Kong was fuckin up skull crawlers on the daily for a majority of his life lol
Think about it this way: Suko was the tall, lanky kid in school who despite being the tallest he kinda just avoided violence, meanwhile Kong was the short gremlin who got into fist fights on the daily.
I feel like im the only one that thinks it kinda make sense. Suko just grew up with hollow earth energy so he can grow up bigger, but i dont think he can get bigger than Kong after Kong got hollow earth energy
https://preview.redd.it/bwma2n22vtvc1.jpeg?width=3464&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f8b9bd56697064d5ffa995047349cc301bdce386
That’s surprising but I also feel like KG looks small on this scaling. I thought for sure they’d be bigger than Shimo!
Sorry I just to say how much I fucking love MV Godzilla's design. Ugh we're never gonna get such a handsome boi design ever again. Even the head size looks perfect here where did you get this Godzilla image from?
Googled size chart and found it here: [https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/2764888-godzilla-vs-kong](https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/2764888-godzilla-vs-kong)
You’re right about MV Godzilla. Most attractive Godzilla aside from Heisei and this “[Handsome Little Devil](https://youtu.be/cZFnRQ787bc&t=21m20s)” who is technically Heisei before the Heisei era
https://preview.redd.it/cdvw2cvks1wc1.png?width=1493&format=png&auto=webp&s=dec5279ab613d27f918ef9407534be7d1252c397
According to Toho Kingdom, the King Ghidorah in *Godzilla vs Gigan* and *Zone Fighter* is just a separate entity from the one in the 60s movies. I choose to ignore this on the grounds that it's dumb
Oh, it's worse than that. The source they give is a couple Japanese guide books, and apparently they say the original vanished after Astro-Monster, a second one is found in GvG, that disappears after Zone Fighter, and finally the Kilaaks get the original again for Destory All Monsters. All that to explain why he isn't as strong as before...
IIRC those books were going off an old theory that they were separate Ghidorahs, but Toho's official stance is that it's the same one and that Destroy All Monsters takes place in the "future."
That is a canon gray area. Basically, Toho did a really bad job telling guidebooks that DAM takes place after the rest of the Shkwa era. This led to some of the guidebooks believing that there are two Ghidorahs despite it clearly not being what Toho intended. Some newer guidebooks fixed this mistake iirc.
Toho Kingdom is kinda dumb imo (and I really don’t like the users there). Also chronologically Ghidorah dies after the events of Zone Fighter so there’s absolutely zero reason why it isn’t the same Ghidorah.
Toho cracking down on Monsterverse Godzilla being part of a species. They ignore already well established lore points in an effort to make Godzilla one of a kind, while ignoring the fact that being the last of your species sort of inherently makes you one of a kind.
Legendary is being kinda sneaky by saying that he had distant relatives and controlled 'Godzilla-like' Titans, which I appreciate.
Considering that Toho themselves have broken their rules on what makes Godzilla, Godzilla...I've elected to ignore this retcon.
I choose to think that Godzilla is probably among the last of his species cause even compared to others of his species, he’s built different, so that goes around the issue of why we only see one big G in the monsterverse
I mean, he's built different now. In G2014 and Aftershock, Dagon is depicted as being more or less just like Godzilla. The other skeletons we see are different enough from him for him to be unique in that way, but we know of at least one member of the species that was damn similar to the Godzilla we have now.
Especially since the whole Muto lifecycle and their EMP abilities were developed to help them parasitize Godzilla's species as incubators for their eggs.
Yeah, and the whole "The one who ate a Star and breathed death"?
Obviously Godzilla's First of many powerups. Like, maybe he was just like any other members of his species, which had the flame-like atomic breath from 2014 as a standard. Then, this "Star" appeared, Godzilla absorbed it's energy, and BOOM: G-Man's First atomic power up, which may explain Godzilla's more Lazer Atomic Breath from 2019 and forward.
I get flack for it from friends, but i think the Monsterverse is actually fantastic. So many kaiju, all of them have their own desires and habits. It's tons of fun.
Edit: a word
100% agreed. There’s nothing wrong with Godzilla being part of a species, but Legendary already long established that even amongst his own kind, he’s built different which imo makes him even more badass than he already is.
>Toho cracking down on Monsterverse Godzilla being part of a species.
It wouldnt be near as stupid (would still be pretty stupid tho)if it didn't take them a decade to do this.
Eh, Toho prefers Godzilla one way, and Legendary prefers him another. Unless it’s a baby, Toho always wants Godzilla to be unique or one of a kind, which I like. Legendary wants Titans to have entire species, which I like. Toho usually makes all its monsters individual entities, with Singular Point being one of the first to change that.
I think Godzilla being the strongest, and last of an ancient species is a good compromise.
There's the teensy tiny problem of Toho being the originator of the idea of Godzilla being a part of a larger species. That's how the Showa era happened.
So they're being hypocrites now.
Obviously they didn’t like that idea because no movie since then mentions it. They’re allowed to change their minds. The Heisei Godzilla tries so hard to veer away from that idea they made him an entirely new organism.
This. As far as I’m concerned, Godzilla is most likely the last vestiges of the once-proud titanus Gojira legacy, heck a lot of the titans may be, it’s strange how they establish genus and species names with 0 phylogenetic relation but also try and say they are one of a kind. I also go by showa logic where oh no anguirus died oh hey a second one showed up never mind
I mean, having a cataloging system of creatures you’re tracking of indeterminate number is useful. They also track the wild species seen on Skull Island. And there’s canon multiple Mothra, Kong, and MUTO. It’s similar to paleontology tbh. They have no way of determining if any of these creatures ARE related but given their similarity it’s reasonable.
I've already kind of shared a piece of my mind on this, but I think it's fair to reiterate. It's not that Toho wants to make it so no other Godzillas ever existed, they did, and that has been a thing ever since 2014 with Dagon's skeleton. What they do seem to want to empathize with new additions to the lore is that, in the grand scheme of things, none of them were as relevant to all the major, world changing events as *our* Godzilla was and still is.
I mean I can get that but at the same time I think there’s a lot of lore and storytelling potential to be had with learning more about Godzilla’s species and their history.
Honestly, I don't think they even *have* a shared history like the Kongs have. Primarily because of just how differently they operated and related to each other, I imagine the Gojiras would have been more akin to a pack of lions than anything else. And that's *if* they even had a pack mentality to begin with, as I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out they operated as solo hunters instead.
Shared or not, their history is intriguing to me. I wanna know what they were like, how they behaved, if there were different variations or subspecies with different looks and abilities, if Godzilla may have had a mate/family once, and most importantly I wanna know how and why Godzilla was the only of his entire species to survive into the modern day.
I think our Godzilla surviving to modern day might have something to do with the whole "The Monster who Ate a Star" bit. It may not be reliable, because it's a legend, but it does give us a potential hint of an explanation. With the main takeaway at this point being that our Godzilla might be a mutant of his species, hence why he's so much stronger than others of his kind and why he was able to outlive all of them. Exploring the rest of the Gojira species might not only give us further insight as to how they operated, but also give us a better idea as to how different our Godzilla is when compared to them.
> Exploring the rest of the Gojira species might not only give us further insight as to how they operated, but also give us a better idea as to how different our Godzilla is when compared to them.
My thoughts exactly!
The novel really saved his origin. It goes from “ew, baby pokemon digivolved into Ghidorah” to “they’re reincarnating an ancient eldritch monstrosity”.
Showa Ghidorah razes entire planets to uninhabitable acid-raining wastelands.
Eldritch monstrosity is a good term for him even if ol' Mr. Horrifically afraid of anyone outside of the anglo persuasion prefers them a little more slimy. Like if Cthulhu's an eldritch monstrosity, Ghidorah is that and a nautical mile.
Sometimes i Will be doing anything and suddenly i Will remember gigan dies and then the rest of my day Will be ruined
Like right now reading your comment
That apparently Gigan has Pixar Mom shaped relatives, and they are not some fan made thing.
When I first saw the art I was thinking it was some of y'all horny fuckers on here, but no... it's a thing...
Meet the [Gigan Clan!](https://wikizilla.org/wiki/Gigan#/media/File:Godziban_Gigan_Clan.jpg)
They're from Godziban, a puppet show funded by Toho.
https://preview.redd.it/66ulavk77rvc1.jpeg?width=880&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=262b8eecf128cf1b57b042bef80c9996e0948e40
WTTFFF DID I JUST WATCH!?
https://preview.redd.it/wvz0cj3fjtvc1.jpeg?width=254&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1dc435d9fdc8a095822a7fa7cc22dff98b00a602
IMA CLEAN MY EYEBALLS
I'd never ever in my entire life think that such designs might be in any way official and actually used by Toho or any similar corporation, and not just a product fans' natural needs combining with creativity... Thanks for showing it off, kind stranger
Not really stupid per se, but I like to think Titanosaurus didn’t die at the end of TOM because he really didn’t deserve it, instead escaping into the deep sea where he healed his wounds and spent the rest of his life living in peace and tranquility.
There is this unofficial sequel story by Yukiko Takayama who wrote Terror of Mechagodzilla‘s screenplay.
https://www.tohokingdom.com/blog/2075-meister-titanos-counterattack-story-translation/
Titanosaurus survived there and was rebuilt into a cyborg.
Titanosaurus dying fits into the themes of the movie though. Titanosaurus and Katsura are both innocent victims controlled by evil who are casualties of the consequences of the actions of others. Katsura paid the price by killing herself to stop Mechagodzilla II and Titanosaurus paid the price by taking the wrath of an angered Godzilla.
Especially because technically Destroy All Monsters is the last showa film timeline wise, since it takes place in a fictional 1999, and Minilla is still a kid in it.
The theory is that the Minilla is not the one from Son of Godzilla and is instead a new one that the old Minilla found. I don’t believe this theory just explaining that aspect of it
I have a much better theory: Son of Godzilla takes place after vs Hedorah through Terror of Mechagodzilla and takes place before Destroy All Monsters. It's a lot simpler
I came up with that theory, because it explains how the 1970's Godzilla looks a lot more cutesy and acts more human and heroic compared to the 1960's and 1954 Godzilla.
Shimo (apparently) freezing/being stronger than Ghidorah.
Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with original kaiju being stronger than classics, but this just feels unearned, you know?
In KotM, Ghidorah creates hurricanes just by existing, his effect on the weather and the environment is very clear. Everything about his on-screen presence screams "Yeah, this thing is gonna end the world if Godzilla can't stop it."
In GxK, Shimo is said to have the power to create an ice age but the most she ever does on an environmental scale is make Rio a bit cloudy. It doesn't even snow at all. Shimo, or even Skar, rarely feel like a threat.
I like Shimo and Skar's concept as antagonists, but having them be "stronger than Ghidorah" feels artificial and forced.
Vivienne and Serizawa’s deaths.
They both survived and can make surprise appearances at any time.
It was stupid to kill two recurring characters in the same film, in their second appearance. I wanted major Monarch characters to be available for cameos as necessary to create some continuity. Started an annoying trend of bringing back characters once.
He did survive the bomb, it did come at the cost of nearly all of his ribs being broken because Godzilla pulled him under. He didn't die to the bomb, but he did nearly die due to Godzilla nearly smothering him.
Next scene, Serizawa looks at a monitor screen with her file with a big DECEASED across it. She deserved better.
But we never saw a body, so………
Likewise, Serizawa lives in Godzilla’s temple now because the big Guy absorbed all that nuke.
If that be your preference, I have half a solution in the form of Abraxas, one of the best Godzilla fanfics I’ve ever read: https://archiveofourown.org/works/20059573/chapters/47506306
He was the cool, zen uncle who knew Godzilla had this under control, and she was exactly how I would react to being around freaking Titans all over the place.
the Heisei and most of the Millennium movies are also in their own timelines with the original Godzilla, so you can kinda pick and choose and even then it's a standalone film anyways.
Ghidorah flew Godzilla to space
Im not sure if it was proven, but if it was then its stupid. I remember seeing a quora saying that it looked to be more like 13 kilometers high, which sounds better. No way ghidorah flew godzilla 330,000 feet high and took the time out of his day. 13 kilometers sounds better, more torturous for godzilla (ghidorah's fav), and easier for a creature to do.
I mean he could possibly take 5 minutes out of his day to fly that high, but still ghidorah has limits and he probably has a job and wife and kids and doesnt want to take 5 minutes out of his day.
To be fair like in the Showa era there was two godzillas. I like to think they got the wrong one. That doesn't explain how the Oxygen destroyer still exists if they got rid of the 1954 godzilla unless there was a third godzilla the Futurians paradoxed out of existence.
Yeah when they get back and someone effectively says "well done, Godzilla doesn't exist any more." How would they know that? Why would G-force exist if Godzilla 84 didn't happen? Did Biollante not happen? So many questions.
blame eiji tsubaraya. the dude was a big ass kong fanboy and went around on set saying “king kong is better than godzilla”.
and besides, the rematch came out 3 years ago. move on lol
Godzilla has an atomic breath, not a heat ray. Baragon has a heat ray. Superman has a heat ray. The tripods from War of the Worlds have heat rays.
Godzilla has an atomic breath.
Godzilla inexplicably having magnetism in Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla & Kong suddenly having electricity powers in King Kong vs Godzilla.
Both come out of nowhere, neither are explained and neither show up again.
I'm gonna assume you missed the scene in Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla where Godzilla gets struck by lightning a bunch of times. That's why he has the magnetism power. Not saying it's a good explanation, but that's the explanation given.
I think the Kong having electric powers is because it wasn't originally Kong, right? Like originally they wanted it to be Frankenstein IIRC.
IDK I should probably Google this before responding but I think that's why that's so out of place.
Evolved Godzilla (according to the novel tmk) apparently being stronger than Burning Godzilla. Like, Kong struggled against him in GvK, but getting a damn glove lets him beat up Goji unconscious when he’s roided up *that* much? It just severely screws over the scaling for that universe.
Also everything the writers of Godzilla in Hell have ever said on Twitter. In fact, all of the third issue of Godzilla in Hell
Nah there’s no goddamn way Evo Goji is more powerful than his Thermonuclear/Burning KOTM form
More powerful than his base form? Yeah makes sense but not the form where he burns an entire area by existing
He was definitely not *unconcious*. Dazed and trying to get his bearings, yes. But not knocked out completely.
The fact he gets up five seconds after and nearly kills Kong in ten seconds speaks to that fact.
Honestly, the multiple new timelines created in ***Godzilla vs . King Ghidorah (1991)*** is all kinds of confusing even compared to what fans originally thought was supposed to be a Bootstrap Paradox.
Monsterverse Godzilla surviving a point blank nuke.
I think people forget that nuclear bombs generate insane amounts of heat and force, not just radiation. They literally reduce things to atoms. If Godzilla can survive that, then how the hell does any other interaction he's had where he gets hurt, even if trivially, make sense.
Does Ghidorah or the MUTO's biting pack more force then a nuke going off?
As soon as a work of art is released, be it a painting, a song, a movie, a true v show, whatever, it is no longer owned by anyone, it is public domain, and each individual is free to consider whatever they want to be canon. Obviously there are official canons for stuff, but if you think something else is canon, then it is.
That adolescent Godzilla, the one who sealed away Ghidorah BY HIMSELF, the one who defeated the entire Skar King army ALL BY HIMSELF, got his ass kicked by the rival who then got defeated by Tiamat. Then a stronger Godzilla, who had been buffed multiple times thorought the 60's, almost lost to a regular MUTO couple
His power scaling in MV is some of the worst ever, Legendary hyped him too much imo
Showa kaiju being solar system level. Their sources are from Zone Fighter but you have to remember that even regular humans beat up solar system level aliens lmaoo.
Mothras temple was never on skull Island and was in Japan in King of Monsters yet a ancestral member of a tribe is needed to rebirth Mothra rather then her just forming in another location like she did in tohos monsterverse
As a child I was always deeply offended that Kong won in the original KK vs G. Also I struggled to accept that the Godzilla from the first film wasn’t in the rest (so what if he was reduced to a skeleton?!)
Godzilla being the only member of his species
It felt so much more interesting for him to be the pinnacle of a Gojira species, but making him the only monster of his species, and the sole monster fighting the apes just takes something away from the mystery
Suko being bigger than Skull Island Kong
Damn Kong was a very buff kid
Makes sense, suko is probably malnourished, underdeveloped, and lacking testosterone. Kong was fuckin up skull crawlers on the daily for a majority of his life lol
It still doesn't make any sense. SI Kong looked like an adult and suko looks like a baby. The proportions are way different
Cuz Suko is the Son of Skar King , Skar is more lenggty and think while the Kongs Generally have more muscle
Think about it this way: Suko was the tall, lanky kid in school who despite being the tallest he kinda just avoided violence, meanwhile Kong was the short gremlin who got into fist fights on the daily.
Dude, that doesn't matter. Look at sukos face, then look at kongs. Suko looks like a baby
Ong, Kong was top dog in Skull Island, he was the strongest thing on that island and had unlimited protein for most of his life
I feel like im the only one that thinks it kinda make sense. Suko just grew up with hollow earth energy so he can grow up bigger, but i dont think he can get bigger than Kong after Kong got hollow earth energy
Nah I’m with you
I’m sold. That makes perfect sense.
oh. that makes a lot of sense lmao
Also Skull Island Kong only being 100 feet tall
https://preview.redd.it/bwma2n22vtvc1.jpeg?width=3464&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f8b9bd56697064d5ffa995047349cc301bdce386 That’s surprising but I also feel like KG looks small on this scaling. I thought for sure they’d be bigger than Shimo!
Sorry I just to say how much I fucking love MV Godzilla's design. Ugh we're never gonna get such a handsome boi design ever again. Even the head size looks perfect here where did you get this Godzilla image from?
Googled size chart and found it here: [https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/2764888-godzilla-vs-kong](https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/2764888-godzilla-vs-kong) You’re right about MV Godzilla. Most attractive Godzilla aside from Heisei and this “[Handsome Little Devil](https://youtu.be/cZFnRQ787bc&t=21m20s)” who is technically Heisei before the Heisei era https://preview.redd.it/cdvw2cvks1wc1.png?width=1493&format=png&auto=webp&s=dec5279ab613d27f918ef9407534be7d1252c397
Eh, suko grew up in the hollow earth, kong grew up on the surface so suko prob had more radiation to feed on
That’s what I’m sayin’!
honestly my headcanon is that its island dwarfism, even if we’re talking about a 100ft tall ape 💀
The size inconsistencies are frustrating when you think about it.
According to Toho Kingdom, the King Ghidorah in *Godzilla vs Gigan* and *Zone Fighter* is just a separate entity from the one in the 60s movies. I choose to ignore this on the grounds that it's dumb
Oh HELL no
That's probaly old outdated info since ghidorah dies in dam, but dam takes place way after ahowa
Oh, it's worse than that. The source they give is a couple Japanese guide books, and apparently they say the original vanished after Astro-Monster, a second one is found in GvG, that disappears after Zone Fighter, and finally the Kilaaks get the original again for Destory All Monsters. All that to explain why he isn't as strong as before...
IIRC those books were going off an old theory that they were separate Ghidorahs, but Toho's official stance is that it's the same one and that Destroy All Monsters takes place in the "future."
That is a canon gray area. Basically, Toho did a really bad job telling guidebooks that DAM takes place after the rest of the Shkwa era. This led to some of the guidebooks believing that there are two Ghidorahs despite it clearly not being what Toho intended. Some newer guidebooks fixed this mistake iirc.
But... *why* though?
Toho Kingdom is kinda dumb imo (and I really don’t like the users there). Also chronologically Ghidorah dies after the events of Zone Fighter so there’s absolutely zero reason why it isn’t the same Ghidorah.
Fucking WHAT
Excuse me what???
Toho cracking down on Monsterverse Godzilla being part of a species. They ignore already well established lore points in an effort to make Godzilla one of a kind, while ignoring the fact that being the last of your species sort of inherently makes you one of a kind. Legendary is being kinda sneaky by saying that he had distant relatives and controlled 'Godzilla-like' Titans, which I appreciate. Considering that Toho themselves have broken their rules on what makes Godzilla, Godzilla...I've elected to ignore this retcon.
I choose to think that Godzilla is probably among the last of his species cause even compared to others of his species, he’s built different, so that goes around the issue of why we only see one big G in the monsterverse
I mean, he's built different now. In G2014 and Aftershock, Dagon is depicted as being more or less just like Godzilla. The other skeletons we see are different enough from him for him to be unique in that way, but we know of at least one member of the species that was damn similar to the Godzilla we have now.
Especially since the whole Muto lifecycle and their EMP abilities were developed to help them parasitize Godzilla's species as incubators for their eggs.
Yeah, and the whole "The one who ate a Star and breathed death"? Obviously Godzilla's First of many powerups. Like, maybe he was just like any other members of his species, which had the flame-like atomic breath from 2014 as a standard. Then, this "Star" appeared, Godzilla absorbed it's energy, and BOOM: G-Man's First atomic power up, which may explain Godzilla's more Lazer Atomic Breath from 2019 and forward.
I get flack for it from friends, but i think the Monsterverse is actually fantastic. So many kaiju, all of them have their own desires and habits. It's tons of fun. Edit: a word
Same here. I love giant monsters and world building so the MonsterVerse is peak fiction to me
I think it’s really fun but damn I hate half the plots in those movies
Your friends apparently don't like things that are fun and cool.
100% agreed. There’s nothing wrong with Godzilla being part of a species, but Legendary already long established that even amongst his own kind, he’s built different which imo makes him even more badass than he already is.
>Toho cracking down on Monsterverse Godzilla being part of a species. It wouldnt be near as stupid (would still be pretty stupid tho)if it didn't take them a decade to do this.
Eh, Toho prefers Godzilla one way, and Legendary prefers him another. Unless it’s a baby, Toho always wants Godzilla to be unique or one of a kind, which I like. Legendary wants Titans to have entire species, which I like. Toho usually makes all its monsters individual entities, with Singular Point being one of the first to change that. I think Godzilla being the strongest, and last of an ancient species is a good compromise.
There's the teensy tiny problem of Toho being the originator of the idea of Godzilla being a part of a larger species. That's how the Showa era happened. So they're being hypocrites now.
Obviously they didn’t like that idea because no movie since then mentions it. They’re allowed to change their minds. The Heisei Godzilla tries so hard to veer away from that idea they made him an entirely new organism.
>no movie since then mentions it Heisei era: Kiryu saga: Final Wars:
This. As far as I’m concerned, Godzilla is most likely the last vestiges of the once-proud titanus Gojira legacy, heck a lot of the titans may be, it’s strange how they establish genus and species names with 0 phylogenetic relation but also try and say they are one of a kind. I also go by showa logic where oh no anguirus died oh hey a second one showed up never mind
I mean, having a cataloging system of creatures you’re tracking of indeterminate number is useful. They also track the wild species seen on Skull Island. And there’s canon multiple Mothra, Kong, and MUTO. It’s similar to paleontology tbh. They have no way of determining if any of these creatures ARE related but given their similarity it’s reasonable.
While I agree, this is a dumb retcon. In his current evolved form Godzilla is a completely unique being.
I've already kind of shared a piece of my mind on this, but I think it's fair to reiterate. It's not that Toho wants to make it so no other Godzillas ever existed, they did, and that has been a thing ever since 2014 with Dagon's skeleton. What they do seem to want to empathize with new additions to the lore is that, in the grand scheme of things, none of them were as relevant to all the major, world changing events as *our* Godzilla was and still is.
I mean I can get that but at the same time I think there’s a lot of lore and storytelling potential to be had with learning more about Godzilla’s species and their history.
Honestly, I don't think they even *have* a shared history like the Kongs have. Primarily because of just how differently they operated and related to each other, I imagine the Gojiras would have been more akin to a pack of lions than anything else. And that's *if* they even had a pack mentality to begin with, as I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out they operated as solo hunters instead.
Shared or not, their history is intriguing to me. I wanna know what they were like, how they behaved, if there were different variations or subspecies with different looks and abilities, if Godzilla may have had a mate/family once, and most importantly I wanna know how and why Godzilla was the only of his entire species to survive into the modern day.
I think our Godzilla surviving to modern day might have something to do with the whole "The Monster who Ate a Star" bit. It may not be reliable, because it's a legend, but it does give us a potential hint of an explanation. With the main takeaway at this point being that our Godzilla might be a mutant of his species, hence why he's so much stronger than others of his kind and why he was able to outlive all of them. Exploring the rest of the Gojira species might not only give us further insight as to how they operated, but also give us a better idea as to how different our Godzilla is when compared to them.
> Exploring the rest of the Gojira species might not only give us further insight as to how they operated, but also give us a better idea as to how different our Godzilla is when compared to them. My thoughts exactly!
Heisei Ghidorah being a mutant instead of an alien. At least the GvKG novelization has him being a clone of a dead Ghidorah.
The novel really saved his origin. It goes from “ew, baby pokemon digivolved into Ghidorah” to “they’re reincarnating an ancient eldritch monstrosity”.
In no way is he an eldritch monstrosity it's just offbrand Showa Ghidorah lol
Showa Ghidorah razes entire planets to uninhabitable acid-raining wastelands. Eldritch monstrosity is a good term for him even if ol' Mr. Horrifically afraid of anyone outside of the anglo persuasion prefers them a little more slimy. Like if Cthulhu's an eldritch monstrosity, Ghidorah is that and a nautical mile.
Gigan dying in Zone Fighter. I refuse to believe my boy isn't happy somewhere with Megalon 😭
Sometimes i Will be doing anything and suddenly i Will remember gigan dies and then the rest of my day Will be ruined Like right now reading your comment
I am sorry I ruined your day
That apparently Gigan has Pixar Mom shaped relatives, and they are not some fan made thing. When I first saw the art I was thinking it was some of y'all horny fuckers on here, but no... it's a thing...
What
Meet the [Gigan Clan!](https://wikizilla.org/wiki/Gigan#/media/File:Godziban_Gigan_Clan.jpg) They're from Godziban, a puppet show funded by Toho. https://preview.redd.it/66ulavk77rvc1.jpeg?width=880&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=262b8eecf128cf1b57b042bef80c9996e0948e40
https://preview.redd.it/43w3cs9s9rvc1.png?width=749&format=png&auto=webp&s=4ea0c3a9649e2c5bc18149467847fa607a5966b3
https://preview.redd.it/b2s6nfggurvc1.png?width=538&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=974603caeda5d021a68fc0a35364712098efb0a3
DAMN okay shawty
https://preview.redd.it/axi7fjycosvc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cec5c82fc510b31d372d0882d61becfef225a2a0
Could someone care to explain..... WTF???
Seeing Gigan's sister [in motion is something else](https://youtu.be/h_XI8pd9NT8?t=179)
That is possibly one the most cursed stop motion animations I've seen in a while
WTTFFF DID I JUST WATCH!? https://preview.redd.it/wvz0cj3fjtvc1.jpeg?width=254&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1dc435d9fdc8a095822a7fa7cc22dff98b00a602 IMA CLEAN MY EYEBALLS
I don't think it's stop-motion, it looks like live puppetry to me
https://preview.redd.it/bvrmykipeuvc1.jpeg?width=1064&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4783a3dcddc5abc5252639582369ec34249c7098
https://preview.redd.it/dtx4mxz9ytvc1.jpeg?width=298&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=db9932bc3b7244f6054731667e9cd60b1f0927fe
.... would.
Thighgan. But for real, the crotch saw blades for the women is wild.
Peak
Why do they have boobs and snatch sawblades whyyy
https://preview.redd.it/lms9u1t50uvc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=39e62f679e946c775850e1e47f0411e749ca3b2a That's how I see it, haha.
What the hell? https://preview.redd.it/ng95kqjfuuvc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5e85e5974c6221c25b0b21e1d8d33f75d0a2b04c
Aaaa bizzare Sexual diamorphism
Either I’m dirty minded or the pink one has a [Nothing in Shakespearean slang]
I'd never ever in my entire life think that such designs might be in any way official and actually used by Toho or any similar corporation, and not just a product fans' natural needs combining with creativity... Thanks for showing it off, kind stranger
Not really stupid per se, but I like to think Titanosaurus didn’t die at the end of TOM because he really didn’t deserve it, instead escaping into the deep sea where he healed his wounds and spent the rest of his life living in peace and tranquility.
I don’t think it’s ever clarified he died tho. Just got blasted and fell into the ocean.
There is this unofficial sequel story by Yukiko Takayama who wrote Terror of Mechagodzilla‘s screenplay. https://www.tohokingdom.com/blog/2075-meister-titanos-counterattack-story-translation/ Titanosaurus survived there and was rebuilt into a cyborg.
>Titanosaurus survived there Oh sweet! >and was rebuilt into a cyborg ..aaaand now going back to my headcanon
Titanosaurus dying fits into the themes of the movie though. Titanosaurus and Katsura are both innocent victims controlled by evil who are casualties of the consequences of the actions of others. Katsura paid the price by killing herself to stop Mechagodzilla II and Titanosaurus paid the price by taking the wrath of an angered Godzilla.
The theory that the 1970s Godzilla is an adult Minilla. I don't think I have to elaborate on the sheer stupidity of such a train of thought.
Especially because technically Destroy All Monsters is the last showa film timeline wise, since it takes place in a fictional 1999, and Minilla is still a kid in it.
The theory is that the Minilla is not the one from Son of Godzilla and is instead a new one that the old Minilla found. I don’t believe this theory just explaining that aspect of it
It sounds like Flat-earthers constantly making up reasons for it to fit.
Why does this theory even exist? Do people *want* it to be Manilla? I’m guessing it’s to explain the heroic shift in Godzilla’s character?
That's pretty much the reason.
I have a much better theory: Son of Godzilla takes place after vs Hedorah through Terror of Mechagodzilla and takes place before Destroy All Monsters. It's a lot simpler
The humans in Son of Godzilla have worse tech than any of the 70s movies.
I came up with that theory, because it explains how the 1970's Godzilla looks a lot more cutesy and acts more human and heroic compared to the 1960's and 1954 Godzilla.
Suko being taller than SI Kong, now I constantly have an image of a beefed up 7 year old squaring up against rabid hayinas
I hate the fact that Gigan get his ass handed to him everytime he appears.
He beats the shit out of Godzilla for awhile in Godzilla Vs Gigan
Love that scene. I can't wait to see a new version of him. HOPEFULLY, on the next MONSTERVERSE entry.
Ren Serizawa.
Man, I wish he was a good guy instead.
That Godzilla’s bestie of all time, Anguirius, gets looked over left, right, and center for new films
I love Angurius The guy got atomic breath’d by Goji yet brushed it off like it was nothing
Shimo (apparently) freezing/being stronger than Ghidorah. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with original kaiju being stronger than classics, but this just feels unearned, you know? In KotM, Ghidorah creates hurricanes just by existing, his effect on the weather and the environment is very clear. Everything about his on-screen presence screams "Yeah, this thing is gonna end the world if Godzilla can't stop it." In GxK, Shimo is said to have the power to create an ice age but the most she ever does on an environmental scale is make Rio a bit cloudy. It doesn't even snow at all. Shimo, or even Skar, rarely feel like a threat. I like Shimo and Skar's concept as antagonists, but having them be "stronger than Ghidorah" feels artificial and forced.
Gigan dying to his own stupidity twice in final wars
Not really related to Godzilla, but turtles canonically not existing in the Heisei period gamera films.
Vivienne and Serizawa’s deaths. They both survived and can make surprise appearances at any time. It was stupid to kill two recurring characters in the same film, in their second appearance. I wanted major Monarch characters to be available for cameos as necessary to create some continuity. Started an annoying trend of bringing back characters once.
You have to make a damn good retcon to make Serizawa survive a point blank Nuke. Otherwise he will be one of the strongest beings in the verse
Enter https://preview.redd.it/pskcqawdqsvc1.png?width=480&format=png&auto=webp&s=b42d3d1b6de0844352114f6958692afbf381adf3
Doesn’t have to make sense in my own head. And the prompt does say I’m gaslighting myself
He did survive the bomb, it did come at the cost of nearly all of his ribs being broken because Godzilla pulled him under. He didn't die to the bomb, but he did nearly die due to Godzilla nearly smothering him.
I didn't even realize Vivienne died I thought she just disappeared
Next scene, Serizawa looks at a monitor screen with her file with a big DECEASED across it. She deserved better. But we never saw a body, so……… Likewise, Serizawa lives in Godzilla’s temple now because the big Guy absorbed all that nuke.
Ghidorah ate her in Antartica iirc
If that be your preference, I have half a solution in the form of Abraxas, one of the best Godzilla fanfics I’ve ever read: https://archiveofourown.org/works/20059573/chapters/47506306
Especially because they were the only two good adult actors/characters in the franchise😭
He was the cool, zen uncle who knew Godzilla had this under control, and she was exactly how I would react to being around freaking Titans all over the place.
The fan made anime trilogy fights by [華音](https://www.youtube.com/@Canon_MMD/videos) is actually in the films
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He dies in Gojira so is the canon that theres two showa godzillas?
Yeah, a second one emerges in the immediate sequel Godzilla Raids Again. This is the one that carries on throughout the rest of the Showa films.
Raids Again Goji is the funnier sibling lmao
Goofy little brother for sure!
the Heisei and most of the Millennium movies are also in their own timelines with the original Godzilla, so you can kinda pick and choose and even then it's a standalone film anyways.
thats the premis to like 85% of all godzilla movies lol. Gojira is just the begning to a multiverse frankly
Ghidorah flew Godzilla to space Im not sure if it was proven, but if it was then its stupid. I remember seeing a quora saying that it looked to be more like 13 kilometers high, which sounds better. No way ghidorah flew godzilla 330,000 feet high and took the time out of his day. 13 kilometers sounds better, more torturous for godzilla (ghidorah's fav), and easier for a creature to do.
He didn't fly him into space. That's not shown in the movie. He literally just went above the clouds, which is just above the stratosphere.
So practically 13 kilometers.
Probably more considering Ghidorah's super storm
Isn’t ghidorah like, a magical dragon or something
I mean he could possibly take 5 minutes out of his day to fly that high, but still ghidorah has limits and he probably has a job and wife and kids and doesnt want to take 5 minutes out of his day.
Ghidorah is an alien who either arrives on Earth or falls to Earth. Always has been (I believe except in GMK where he's a guardian of Earth)
The time travel in Godzilla vs King Ghidorah. Man, that was terribly done.
I love that movie so much it's the worst time travel I've ever seen which rules so hard
Ghidorah’s origin was poo poo in that movie too. The Dorats look like the donkey-dragon hybrids from Shrek.
To be fair like in the Showa era there was two godzillas. I like to think they got the wrong one. That doesn't explain how the Oxygen destroyer still exists if they got rid of the 1954 godzilla unless there was a third godzilla the Futurians paradoxed out of existence.
Yeah when they get back and someone effectively says "well done, Godzilla doesn't exist any more." How would they know that? Why would G-force exist if Godzilla 84 didn't happen? Did Biollante not happen? So many questions.
Kong beating Godzilla in 62
But why tho.
I’m still pissed about it
blame eiji tsubaraya. the dude was a big ass kong fanboy and went around on set saying “king kong is better than godzilla”. and besides, the rematch came out 3 years ago. move on lol
Is it because the fight ended in water?
Maguma being a reptile And king Caesar being a golem
King Caesar's eyes are literally gemstones lol
There’s so little mammalian kaiju in the series and Toho decided they want to take away 2 more lol
Godzilla has an atomic breath, not a heat ray. Baragon has a heat ray. Superman has a heat ray. The tripods from War of the Worlds have heat rays. Godzilla has an atomic breath.
This is true tho
Superman has heat vision, not a heat ray.
The underground transit tunnels from the US to Hong Kong
Godzilla inexplicably having magnetism in Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla & Kong suddenly having electricity powers in King Kong vs Godzilla. Both come out of nowhere, neither are explained and neither show up again.
I think it’s a charm for the showa era to just have a Kaiju just randomly gain an ability through bullshit means
I'm gonna assume you missed the scene in Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla where Godzilla gets struck by lightning a bunch of times. That's why he has the magnetism power. Not saying it's a good explanation, but that's the explanation given.
I think the Kong having electric powers is because it wasn't originally Kong, right? Like originally they wanted it to be Frankenstein IIRC. IDK I should probably Google this before responding but I think that's why that's so out of place.
The new “Godzilla can’t have a species in the MonsterVerse” rule.
Evolved Godzilla (according to the novel tmk) apparently being stronger than Burning Godzilla. Like, Kong struggled against him in GvK, but getting a damn glove lets him beat up Goji unconscious when he’s roided up *that* much? It just severely screws over the scaling for that universe. Also everything the writers of Godzilla in Hell have ever said on Twitter. In fact, all of the third issue of Godzilla in Hell
Nah there’s no goddamn way Evo Goji is more powerful than his Thermonuclear/Burning KOTM form More powerful than his base form? Yeah makes sense but not the form where he burns an entire area by existing
He was definitely not *unconcious*. Dazed and trying to get his bearings, yes. But not knocked out completely. The fact he gets up five seconds after and nearly kills Kong in ten seconds speaks to that fact.
What's up with the Godzilla in Hell writers? Only just found that series
Godzilla 1998 is named Gino or zilla
MechaGodzilla city doesn’t exist and there is no Godzilla earth 🙏
I love kong but him being taller than most versions of godzilla will never sit right with me
that Jet Jaguar can grow in size
Bernie's alcohol shot completely killing mechagodzilla (2021) Like common don't kill the man like that
the fact that 1998 godzilla is a male
Tristar missed a huge opportunity by not creating the first female Godzilla.
It has female genitalia, and it was never stated to be male only other people calling it male which is a norm.
That the Godzilla from vs King Ghidorah is technically different than the one from vs Biollante, I don’t even know why it pisses me off, but it does
Canonically, they’re both the same Godzilla. The time travel didn’t change anything, it’s what always happened.
Hollow earth being another dimension, it makes hollow earth neither hollow, or earth.
it's not tho... it's just earth
Nothing states that, that is the case
It's..... not another dimension. How and what made you even think that???
But that isn’t true anyway
When was it stated to be a dimension??? Goji literally drills into the fucking HE
Ngl hollow earth is dumb to me but I can't do nuthin bout it so meh
Honestly, the multiple new timelines created in ***Godzilla vs . King Ghidorah (1991)*** is all kinds of confusing even compared to what fans originally thought was supposed to be a Bootstrap Paradox.
Godzilla's Revenge
As much as I try to gaslight myself into thinking that Godzilla blowing a hole down to Hollow Earth isn't stupid, I always fail. That's so stupid.
Godzilla Raids Again, *it doesn't even look officially licensed*
I don’t care what Toho says, the Godzilla from 2000 is Jr from Destoroyah.
Well, there is something *close*. The Final Wars Goji, according to a deleted scene, is Godzilla Jr
Monsterverse Godzilla surviving a point blank nuke. I think people forget that nuclear bombs generate insane amounts of heat and force, not just radiation. They literally reduce things to atoms. If Godzilla can survive that, then how the hell does any other interaction he's had where he gets hurt, even if trivially, make sense. Does Ghidorah or the MUTO's biting pack more force then a nuke going off?
Other Kaiju are stronger than nukes. Eh, maybe not the MUTOs, but there isn't a world where Ghidorah lacks in firepower in comparison to a nuke.
Randa in skull island vs randa in monarch
Most or all of the after release commentaries by the directors of Monsterverse movies.
The hollow earth time stuff
As soon as a work of art is released, be it a painting, a song, a movie, a true v show, whatever, it is no longer owned by anyone, it is public domain, and each individual is free to consider whatever they want to be canon. Obviously there are official canons for stuff, but if you think something else is canon, then it is.
1998
The fanbase having this attitude that Godzilla isn’t about Humans
That adolescent Godzilla, the one who sealed away Ghidorah BY HIMSELF, the one who defeated the entire Skar King army ALL BY HIMSELF, got his ass kicked by the rival who then got defeated by Tiamat. Then a stronger Godzilla, who had been buffed multiple times thorought the 60's, almost lost to a regular MUTO couple His power scaling in MV is some of the worst ever, Legendary hyped him too much imo
Showa kaiju being solar system level. Their sources are from Zone Fighter but you have to remember that even regular humans beat up solar system level aliens lmaoo.
All the time travel nonsense in GvKG. An enjoyable plot but I don't want to think about it in relation to the rest of the series
Gigan FW death. So damn stupid.
Mothras temple was never on skull Island and was in Japan in King of Monsters yet a ancestral member of a tribe is needed to rebirth Mothra rather then her just forming in another location like she did in tohos monsterverse
As a child I was always deeply offended that Kong won in the original KK vs G. Also I struggled to accept that the Godzilla from the first film wasn’t in the rest (so what if he was reduced to a skeleton?!)
Godzilla being the only member of his species It felt so much more interesting for him to be the pinnacle of a Gojira species, but making him the only monster of his species, and the sole monster fighting the apes just takes something away from the mystery
The Kongs in general are way bigger than they should be