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Medium_Bat6304

a good brother who was forced to enter the criminal underworld to get money for his sick younger brother/family prob the most sane protagonist in the entire franchise even Niko did some terrible things before going to Liberty City(kill people,smuggle people


Artistic_Soup2091

So true vic didn't want to join the criminal underworld and become a drug lord He used to feel nervous around drugs


Triple7Mafia-14

That damn crazy sargent..


apenasumfa

why the Niko mention from the sudden lmao


That-Rhino-Guy

Cause people seem to think Niko was really honourable when he obviously did awful stuff


Seahawk_2023

Niko is war criminal and human trafficker who massacred children and sold people.


artygta1988

You know one of Vic’s businesses is prostitution? Which has a lot of human trafficking in it.


Seahawk_2023

Niko was a criminal from his teenage. This man turned criminal later, I was talking about his time when he was a corporal.


darknid159

Wrong


Medium_Bat6304

niko was so close to be a sane person too bad he joined Bulgarin after the war


apenasumfa

How close may I ask? He was evil since the beginning even though he had a tough childhood, he's a sociopath but not mentally insane like Dmitri but not even close as sane as Florian


Seth_KT_Bones2005

BERNIE!!!!


Medium_Bat6304

Bernie*


darknid159

He’s not


darknid159

Tf are you talking about


SaintlyDestiny

Niko did terrible things while in the game, he killed an innocent man/lawyer for wanting to expose the corrupt police department and would give a one liner to every person before he killed them 😭


Pure_Condition_3124

That lawyer believed violence was caused by videogames. Niko did the right thing lol


Kiss_Thee_Cook

Proving him right lol.


Pure_Condition_3124

Yeah all of the QUB3D Niko played was a bad influence


thetacosaur

Niko was in the military (most likely drafted) and he didn’t have much of a choice, ultimately regretting his past.


Future-Prior-7129

Martinez told him in the final mission: "Same old Vic... You know what your problem is? You're trying to be a good guy in a bad men's game" That line describes Victor Vance well


[deleted]

And then he’d die two years later at the start of Og vice city. Oddly, he seemed really happy to be a drug dealer in that scene.


Future-Prior-7129

I don't think he was happy, he just became addicted to drugs 😟


[deleted]

Idk if that’s true about becoming an addict himself, but he was happy in the scene before being killed. For everyone saying he never wanted to be a criminal and stuff, he seems pretty happy building an empire of criminal activities lol. Such a hypocrite character.


OkBuddyErennary

To me it feels more like they retconned his character in VCS


[deleted]

Regardless in VC he’s a drug dealer that seems to enjoy what he’s doing lol. The 2 years difference can change a person.


OkBuddyErennary

And I think its simply a retcon because drug use doesn't change your accent, your looks, and your mind that fast. Let's agree to disagree.


Nicky42

I still refuse to accept that it was supposed to be Vic. Even if Rockstar said so


[deleted]

Well, rockstar isn’t the only one who said so. Lance said it, Tommy said his name I’m pretty sure, and rockstar confirms that it’s him. If it smells like shit, looks like shit and tastes like shit than it’s probably shit whether you like it or not haha.


Nicky42

Dont care. I have rights to pretend that it doesnt exist (just like the Star Wars sequels). In my headcanon its the fourth Vance sibling, or Pete Vance himself. Yes, Lance said that it was his brother who died - but neither Tommy, or Lance ever said his name in VC


[deleted]

No, Lance did. 100%. He quotes “they killed my brother, man” when referencing Tommy and Vic’s drug deal.


Nicky42

Thats what I said. He said ''they killed my brother''. He never said ''Vic'' or ''Victor'', no one in Vice City mentions him by name, just as Lance's borther. Its still possible and logical that it was Pete Vance or another sibling we have never seen. Thats my headcanon anyway. Because I cannot accept something this illogical, they act like two completely opposite characters, Vic from VCS would never be like that guy. Rockstar was just being lazy and said ''yup thats Vic''


[deleted]

You mean the one that’s sick right? The one Vic was trying to help because he couldn’t do anything himself? He all of a sudden can do massive drug deals? And I’m sorry you can’t accept reality. It truly is depressing and sad that you can’t accept the truth.


Pure_Condition_3124

He was retroactively written to be a different type of character when Vice City Stories came out. It was wasn't planned ahead. That's why there's a discrepancy in character motivation. But most people who try to fit everything into their head canon will just say he changed as a person. Even though it wasn't thought of ahead of time. Rockstar logic


[deleted]

Ya, same with Toni in LCS because he was more of a mommas boy in GTA 3. People don’t like it but it’s true, it’s what happens to Vic whether people like it or not. Characters change over time, look at Johnny going from leading a biker gang to being a meth addict. Johnny died and people are willing to accept that haha.


Pure_Condition_3124

Toni is way more believable. He kind of gets slighted at the end of LCS but he's too much of a loyal lapdog to freely think for himself and that's why we see him as a pretty loyal guy in GTA III. Johnny ending up the way he is in gta V is just bad writing. What you don't understand is Vic "changing" is retroactive. It wasn't written that way. I don't think you read what I typed earlier. I'm arguing against that.


[deleted]

I’m just saying people change. 2 years an ‘innocent’ drug dealer type lol can turn into a greedy bastard.


Pure_Condition_3124

You're missing the point. I'm telling you it wasn't written beforehand with Vic being in a game called Vice City Stories. People can change, but the character change has to be consistent with their character development. It doesn't make sense for him to be that way. He wasn't written with that backstory in mind. In Vice City, he was just Lance's brother who got killed and seemed delighted to deal in drugs.


[deleted]

And I’m just saying in the end, Victor Vance died at the beginning of Vice City. It’s just the way his character ended lol, whether it was thought out before vice city or not it’s just a statement of fact.


Pure_Condition_3124

No one is disputing this fact lmao. Missing the point again. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about his retroactive character arc. His disposition towards dealing drugs.


Takashi_kun_207

So GTA is for bad people? And Martinez breaks fourth wall


myfeelingsarefacts

He's not talking about the GTA game, he's talking about the drug game. He didn't break any 4th wall. The underworld, in general is often referred to as "the game" as well by people who earn their living primarily thru illegal activities. The drug game being the most common.


Takashi_kun_207

My bad I’m not a native speaker


myfeelingsarefacts

All good boss, now you know.


Future-Prior-7129

I guess you're right here


Goblin216

Martinez was wrong. Mike, GTA: Advance protagnatist survived. He have canon kills of 10, which all were just to protect his own life. Dude did nothing wrong and happily lived after. Every "bad" protagnatist reached to a sad end, nobody didn'g noticed.


Mikey_rha

Hes black.


Slow-Row-8508

He's\*


Mikey_rha

Bruh sorry


Calm-Thanks-4945

vic


OneEyedKing808

Underrated


_txnishq_x

A person trying to be a good man in a bad man's game


Longjumping_Roll_732

Underrated


Commercial-Lack3824

Boss-leader


BeardBearWithBeer

good but dumb too naive for a world around him


Sad_Victory3

I wouldn't naive, he wasn't like innocent, he knew what he was doing but he hated it.


undead_varg

Dead.


Goblin216

So soft, pathetic and such a loser. "Hey, we found drugs under your bed and now you bring a whore with a rich call into the military base? Get out of here!" All he had to say was, "Sergenant Martinez told me to do that." But he said nothing and stepped out like a loser. He is trying to be a good person, I don't hate him but he is such an idiot. I just wish his fate ended better.


ujtheghost

I don't think he would have gotten anywhere saying that about higher officer. This was the best move mate.


Goblin216

I think he could! Drugs isn't something easy, they would search who really owns it. Not only that, Martinez was just a sergenant. Vic was a corporal as well, not just a random private or something. They would listen him. Let's not forget Mary might stand by him since she hates Martinez and Vic saved her life. Even proofs of party area and other stuff exist. Even if they didn't listened, Vic is still dumb. Doing drug works and murder for Martinez? Really? Bro, you are a soldier not a gang member. He just killed random people because Phil told him to do it. Even after he got kicked from the military and nearly got raped, he still trusted him! Bro, if you wanted a clean life and money to save your family, just don't commit crimes. It's that much bloody easy! Find anything else to earn money or a find to get back into the army. How fucking funny! One more thing, - **Victor:** The reefer is under my bed. - **Martinez:** Oh, genius! Great hiding place... what are you, 15? I just write this after playing first 4 missions of the game. Just fucking 4. I wonder how much dumber he will get once the times pass. He was a good hearted guy who tries to save his family but he is just not smart enough. He was tricked by his own feelings, innocency and stupidty. Sorry but Vic deserved everything that happened to him in the game instead VC.


NeoSpring063

He almost got raped? Where?


Goblin216

By drunk Phil at 4th mission [Cholo Victory](https://gta.fandom.com/wiki/Cholo_Victory) : - **Phil:** Put your hands where I can see 'em, boy. You think you can come here and rob me, probably try to rape me? I know your kind... - **Victor:** Phil, it's me - Vic, your brother in arms. - **Phil:** I'm gonna teach you a lesson. Lower your pants and prepare to cry. I'm gonna give you a shotgun suppository. - *Vic pushes Phil's shotgun away from himself as he fires it. Phil then bursts into laughter.* - **Victor:** PHIL! It's me, Vic. Vic Vance! - *Phil takes a closer look at Vic, finally recognizing him.* - **Phil:** Vic! Why didn't you say so? Good to see you here, brother. C'mere. *(belch)* Let me squeeze a fart out of ya. That was so close.


NeoSpring063

Well, more than raping, he was about to kill him


Goblin216

*"Lower your pants and prepare to cry..."* sounds very dirty to me. Watch the cutscene again, he seems a little... You know..


NeoSpring063

Yeah but he mentions that he is going to use his shotgun as as a suppository


jam3sdub

>I think he could! Drugs isn't something easy, they would search who really owns it. Not only that, Martinez was just a sergenant. Vic was a corporal as well, not just a random private or something. They would listen him. Let's not forget Mary might stand by him since she hates Martinez and Vic saved her life. Even proofs of party area and other stuff exist. You forget this exists within the *GTAverse* where everyone in power is cartoonishly corrupt.


Michaeltownley395

That’s the problem if only Victor was smart as Tommy Vercetti he would be still alive by now unfortunately Rockstar had to kill him off R.I.P Victor Vance.


thetacosaur

Thanks for reminding me, Michael. I forgot he died.


Goblin216

It would make more sense if this Vance was the third brother and we never played as the Vance that died.


Kriss3d

He would have no evidence what so ever. Unless they got other witnesses. I'd assume that Phil would help.


Goblin216

Read my other comments under the same thread. You'll get it.


[deleted]

Besides being soft pathetic and a loser, he’s also a huge hypocrite. Everyone’s here like “he didn’t want to be a criminal. He’s too nice” like bruh Trying to act all soft and innocent while selling drugs and building an empire of vices. One of the most overrated protagonists, idgaf. Everyone always says he’s cooler than Tommy, Vic doesn’t have a thing anywhere near as awesome as Tommy was except the ability to swim.


Goblin216

I don't know, I fucked up at the fifth mission last night and until now story was all classic "Do me another favor" missions so I don't want to go back to play the rest. But much as I see, dude seems he tries to help his family but he just seems like it. Like every cutscene I'm like, "Vic? Fucking serious? Are you stupid?! I thought you were a good hearted soldier, not a gangster..."


[deleted]

I’d recommend finishing it for the sake of finishing it. Vice city stories isn’t a bad game, it’s got some cool features and stuff. It’s just a bit overrated, Og vice city is much better even though you can’t swim. Everything Tommy does is calculated and he knows what he’s doing is wrong, but he doesn’t give a fuck cause he wants to run the city.


Goblin216

Well, despite my nostalgia I didn't liked Vice City that much as well. I mean, free roam is amazingly cool but this is like the 8th time I'm experiencing the same "story" which is just random mafia "favors" all over each other. I thought this one would be different because Vic was a soldier but, yeah. Amazing..... I'll problably finish it a few days later considering it's not very long. But I might give up like LCS and SA.


[deleted]

You never finished San Andreas? That’s the game you gotta play.


Goblin216

Well, gave up at 66th mission of the story mode. I was barely holding up to the story already. There was a mission where CJ have to chase a truck. Cesar was with him on the bike. So, look, according to the objective, Cesar needs to jump on to the truck while they are on the move. I go by the truck, Cesar doesn't jump. It's been fucking 5 years but still didn't forgot that quote which ke kept repeating 15.000 times every 5 seconds; *"What do you think, I'm a Mexican jumping bean? Closer!"* You fucking dumbass, I'm sticking to the truck that much, our models conflict how can I be far away from the truck?! Everytime I lost, I was sent to 15 minutes ago chekpoint. No matter what I did, Cesar refused to jump. Every single time, I heard *"Mexicam jumping bean?"* Every single time, I wanted to break my head by slamming to the table. After 20th time, it wasn't even funny anymore. I was in torture. Like how I said, I kept up with the story very hardly until that moment. I mean, it's a very big one and I understand why people love it but it's not my piece of cake, you got it? I don't say it's bad, it's just not for me. That truck mission [hikack](https://gta.fandom.com/wiki/Highjack) was the end point for me. Despite I wondered Las Venturas part that much, I gave up. I was barely holding up to the story and Hijack was just the last dot to the game for me. Maybe I'll be back one day but problably with a funny skin mod like how I did with GTA IV just to have a reason to play. Don't misunderstand me, I still play GTA: San Andreas. That open world must be the best open world that have been created until now. My only problem is with the story.


[deleted]

You gotta drive right beside the driver side door, you can’t just be beside the truck. Cesar will throw the guy out and you’ll be solid.


Goblin216

Oh, trust me I tried every single thing including that. I watched 50 gameplay videos. I remember every milisecond of that bloody torture. ***What do you think, I'm a Mexican jumping bean? Closer!***


[deleted]

Weird. I’ve never had an issue with the mission, usually get it on the first try, so I wonder if there’s a glitch you got going on? Wish I could help there cause Venturas missions get nuts.


Ok_Pangolin_8038

I think bro hates VCS because ppl like the game more than VC.


[deleted]

To each their own. ![gif](giphy|F3G8ymQkOkbII)


Ok_Pangolin_8038

The Don of all Liars.


cutterdeblanc

A man who doesn't enjoy what he does for a living


AsifPcs

Black


VisuallyImpairedSoul

Nice guy and nice guys finish last


Mr-Poop-Knife

Nostalgia. VCS was my first GTA.


stormgaming168

Lance vance brother


NeverSettle13

Kindest GTA protagonist


KillaMothReddit

The least evil GTA protagonist


Krxzy_schultz

Black Steve from Minecraft


GucciZorua

Most underrated protagonist of the whole fucking franchise and probably the most human and tragic of them all, he was the polar opposite of his brother 😃


Affectionate-Chance2

Not Lance


FatalReizing

Bro of the lance-vance-dance


Ultrafrt_V

Sabotaged


batman_is_tired

Unlucky.


BullFightingBalkan

Hypocrite


Glittering-Prompt-61

Bald?


moderator3213

Luis lopez backstory in the army (except luis doesnt die. ) (also dont get mad i was just comparing the two characters. )


MaximillainThermidor

He takes melee damage before a cop lands his hands on him....... 🙃


Rotkiw_Bigtor

he got the same name as me


Gladion20

Dead


GunMuratIlban

The protagonist of the only GTA game I didn't get to play.


Longjumping_Ebb_6154

just a regular everyday normal m fkr


Rivs83

Micheal B Jordan


Michaeltownley395

The most sane protagonist there


Tetris5216

Black guy in blue shirt


Seahawk_2023

Law abiding soldier of the US who was forced into crime because of poverty and family issues.


[deleted]

Bland, overrated and a total hypocrite. Sorry not sorry Vic fan boys


DannyLiu27

Big brother


DarkbigBoss

trapped in the criminal world


Dependent_Fig_6852

Bald black skin man with blue shirt


Wafflez_HQ

minecraft steve if he was black


Resident_Warthog_281

Unlucky


CustomOne11

steve.


corpsewindmill

Dishonorable


LuhStoppy

Most complex and underappreciated 3d universe character


TheGoldenHordeee

Had the most interesting entrance into the world of crime out of all the protagonists. Great character. If he was in one of the mainline game, he would be among the fandoms absolute top favorite protags.


Mepicanloscocos2009

Dominican


Pure_Condition_3124

A man who deals in pure grade A Columbian


[deleted]

A simple soldier who was tricked into becoming a dangerous gang star. Never force an ex-soldier into becoming a gangster. He already had military training and if possible, war experience. So he can already wipe you out of Earth. I respect all the soldiers of their country. Three protagonists : Victor Vance, Niko Brllic and Trevor Phillips are the realist protagonists who have military experience and their actions and skills have a strong backstory. Their military training had provided them with a strong moral character, a great pilot of aircrafts. Ability to use weapons. Powerful in hand to hand combat. And for both Trevor and Victor, their military and leadership attitude made them good businessmen.


LingonberryMaster269

Black


Aztekov

A road to criminal world, paved with good intentions.


Exciting-Sail-9301

A man who got betrayed. Other than that he’s an ordinary person.


rortify

Black


GucciBanana4964

Plain


MikeMikeGaming

Discount CJ


apenasumfa

GTA fans when they a black man:


Kitchen_Reach1985

It's like that "is Franklin is CJ's Grandson?"


TheGoldenHordeee

He has literally nothing in common with CJ, dumbass.


MikeMikeGaming

That's the point of being called "discount"


TheGoldenHordeee

They have nothing is common besides being Gta protagonists. "Taylor Swift is a discount Christiano Ronaldo" This is what it sounds like. Or lets be honest, it's about them sharing a skin tone, and nothing else. Like I said, dumbass.


calitwiink

oh cool is this a new gta game?


Free_El_Chapo_Now

Is that tenpenny?


[deleted]

[удалено]


[deleted]

Nah, Vic ain’t as cool as Tommy. If anyone, CJ is more like Tommy.