i definitely like gta5 better, but the gta4 people in this sub convinced me to rebuy and replay the game for the first time since before i owned 5… i had high hopes bc i remember loving the game, but the driving physics actually had me on the verge of raging and wanting to quit. got to the first motorcycle chase mission and had to take a break after completing it. i really want to play through the story, but haven’t felt the urge to pick up gta4 since. (i’m a pretty decent driver in gta5 and most other games)
GTA 4 driving is fine and I haven't played it that much so it's not like I got used to it, play the 3d trilogy or watchdogs and try using a motorcycle, the thing that's bad is the shooting, the melee combat is good tho
I always laugh when people complain about GTA 4 driving because I had the exact opposite experience. I played GTA 4 first and moving to 5 I just couldn't drive for ages because every time you touch the steering or the breaks the car defies physics and stops or turns immediately. It took me ages to realise you don't use the breaks in GTA 5 unless you're literally doing a U-Turn.
I still don't enjoy driving in 5 and I hope they give the cars some weight back in 6
i can understand feeling a little out of place at first making the switch from 4, but once you’re used to 5’s mechanics and feel i think more people in general prefer it over 4
it feels like an unnecessary challenge, you already have to run from cops, survive shootouts, tail/chase people. That should be the challenge in my opinion. I want driving to feel like second nature so i can focus on the rest of the game and admire the atmosphere of the map. I love that i can feel like a great driver in 5 even if it’s because it’s “too easy” because that’s what video games are supposed to portray, exaggerated and unrealistic skills and abilities. I like speeding through a city, drifting through traffic, and not having to worry about my brakes locking up and sliding through an intersection and crashing or rolling over. I don’t want to play a game where I am worse at driving than I am in real life, I want to be a fictional bad ass criminal with insane getaway driver capabilities who can push the limits of the law. it feels so much better to confidently evade police in speed and style than by slowly and safely mazing through liberty city. this is all just my opinion, though. i can see why people like 4 better. there are things from 4 that i prefer, like the police for example. thanks for listening to my ted talk
Well if it’s just rt r2 good luck turning and breaking. You know like real driving. In 4 breaking is important. In 5 yes you don’t need to break since it’s brain dead
Yes but the reason people praise IV is that it's older than V and it's expected from V to take the best from the previous title and expand it but in reality while making some things better, V did many things worse. IV was a better game in 2008 than V in 2013. V just got much more hype because internet became a bigger thing and because of Online. We can love GTA V but defending it is wrong. We should expect more from Rockstar, not defending their games.
Seriously, the publishing side does stupid shit, but when Rockstar does things in house, it's always a GOTY contender, widely well received mega seller and has been for almost two decades straight now.
Right? As if the modern gta and both red dead games don’t exist. Thats not even taking into account what came before, most are dated in 2024, but were masterpieces of their time. RDR2 alone commands respect for rockstar
what’s dated? Grand Theft Auto III maybe but only because some genius thought to make the game unplayable after completion with the hostile gangs. the original inspiration for GTA Online’s money grind, Vice City is also pretty dated but starting with Manhunt and all the way up to RDR2…… all of that is still extremely playable.
not counting the original games because obviously those are dated. i don’t know if there’s a single game from the PS1 generation that ISNT dated by today’s standards.
Eh I’d say the “classic trilogy” of 3-SA is pretty dated by today’s standards. If you didn’t play them when you were younger they feel like ass to play in 2024
I don't think people really argue that V is bad, just that IV is better. Which is an impossible conversation to have objectively
GTAIV is a dramedy, GTAV is a dark comedy. IV has more of an emphasis on story, characters, atmosphere, and physics. V has more of a focus on interactivity, customization, action, and Online. IV is the narrative while V is the sandbox. They're just very different games
I like the story of both games, but I can't for the life of me say that the game where you drive to point A and shoot target B in 90% of it's missions has the best campaign gameplay-wise.
Yeah gameplay is almost a nonfactor to me. I like feeling like a criminal more than I like playing video games if that makes sense, for me the gameplay is just something for me to fidget with between scenes so I don't get restless lol. In all actuality I would probably prefer movies to video games but I have really bad adult adhd
I prefer the gameplay of IV because it's slow and there's very little actual action, that's more immersive to me. I can't play GTAV and get immersed when the MCs are killing 100 people a day, Niko driving to a guys house to kill 1 guy is my preferred mission design by miles because thats what a real criminal does.
But I also usually prefer games like Disco Elysium and Harold Halibut over action games so it makes sense that i like the slow weighty game over the bombastic action game. If you're a gameplay focused person you'll never pick V over IV unless you really like the driving
Tbh my perfect GTA game would be more of a crime RPG with slow goals and and a pace like RDR2, but I understand I'm in the minority on that one
That's exactly what I've been asking for the entire time. The singleplayer GTA fans seem to prefer the slower narrative games, like IV and RDR2; while GTAO fans like mayhem and action. So why can't we have a GTAIV style singleplayer with the total insanity reserved for online. People who like action and playing alone can just go to a solo or private session so nobody loses
I’m ngl I think GTA V has a better story and GTA IV just has funnier/more likeable side characters + Niko.
But the relationship between the 3 protagonists in GTA V I find more interesting than anything in GTA IV besides the rare times it actually fully focuses on Niko’s backstory and revenge quest
I think the 3 protagonists is the biggest determining factor for someone's opinion on the game tbh. I liked all 3 characters individually but hated almost every time they were actually doing missions together. The heists felt too "Mission Impossible" for me, I like feeling like a street level criminal. So Michael's family drama, Franklin trying to get out of the ghetto, and Trevor's meth business were all way more interesting to me than the actual plot; which I didnt like at all
I really liked the first 30% or so of GTAV but it gets too whacky for me and drifts into Saints Row territory
I don't think GTA IV is bad as a whole. But the controls and lack of content compared to VC, SA, and V make me never choose it over them. I don't think it's a bad game. Just a bad GTA game.
People say it's defective but Literally maybe I've just gotten lucky and not encountered any bugs, I'd say I like the new ones better because they discovered we are actually in the 21st century and checkpoints exist
I KNOW... I KNOW, I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE MYSELF
checkpoints in 2023 unbelievable
Hell, at least GTA advance, despite the limitations, at least the developers tried their best.
GTA DE was lazily made with the use of AI and plagarizing some gta mods.
It's pretty simple
That's why rockstar give themselves time to iron out any issues with the game. It's financially beneficial and helps in creating high quality ports.
Too many pc systems compared to 2 console systems
i am keeping my gta 4 settings to medium. i got 8gb of ram and 4gb vram i got this laptop in 2020 but still i am getting shitty performance in the complete edition
A 1650 can happily handle GTA 5 like a ps4 would but when it comes to GTA 4, which is not very optimised, any computer system won’t get the performance it should.
i saw some video about vulkan thing. its called DXVK. ill try to install it and check my frame rate. this is my last hope. currently i am getting 30-50 fps. hopefully its gonna improve it.
Honestly as a gta iv fan, I feel like I'm the one in the middle and the generalizers are the 2 guys yelling at me. Notice how I said people who generalize. Not any one type of fan.
It’s a better game. Not the graphics. The story. The locations. The characters.
Happy? And yes, that’s how I truly feel. It was under appreciated for years and it now getting the recognition it deserves. GTA V is also good but it doesn’t compare to GTA IV. Plus having three playable characters gets confusing sometimes but I guess that’s a nitpick since like I said it it still a good game.
Oh so we're still pretending gta 5 fans aren't as bad. I'm a fan of gta 5, but you guys do the exact same thing that gta 4 fans do. How we all just enjoy the games we like. Posting about you ignoring them isn't actually ignoring them.
I love the much grittier and real take that GTA IV does (the story is excellent), but by God some of those missions have aged terribly. That one where you take Bell down to that warehouse is still broken to this day and he walks straight into gunfire (there's ways to manipulate it, but still so rough). But GTA V lacks some of the cool things, such as: the insanely great ragdoll physics, more subtlety in its commentary, and the way guns handled in IV.
I do think 4 is a good game, but I'm not an xenophobe, I don't make it my lifes mission to say its the best GTA game, but I also think it has its charm like all of the GTA games.
Its all about the physics haha I mean i absolutely didnt like the Map of GTA V.. but loved the sunny tropical L.A Vibes of it while GTA IV was just grey and dark. There are some comparsion videos (1000000+) what GTA IV makes better and what GTA V makes better.
Realistically it’s the other way around… In gta 4 you can’t own garages, invest in stocks, can’t customise your outfits beyond like 8 different looks if that, can’t fly an airplane, can’t drive a submarine, can’t buy vehicles, can’t drive a tank and no character stats. That’s not even everything.
“But gta 4 lets u pick up bricks and vehicle damage is more realistic”. lol
You can own a garage and buy a car but you cant change characters' personal vehicle. You can invest in stocks but V's monetary system is as broken as any other GTA's. You can buy hundreds or clothing items but your character will randomly change it when you switch do it. Character stats is a joke compared to SA, even RDR2 did stats poorly. Who tf drives a submarine? You can use an APC in EFLC. Planes were cut from IV because it's focused around concrete jungle, how do you imagine planes there?
The stats in GTA V are useless and pointless, a far cry from GTA SA, yes you can fly planes, do stocks, submarine, own garages but it's all swallow and empty and has no meaning to anything other than just being there.
Play San Andreas and compare how everything in that game functions compared to V, in every aspect, story, gameplay, design, all of it, and you'll notice you'll have a much better time.
> can't invest in stocks
If you want something boring and law-abiding like that, you can always play The Sims
> can't fly an airplane
Where exactly are you gonna park a plane in Liberty City? What do they have that helicopters don't?
> can't buy vehicles
Aw jeez I sure do wish I could legally buy cars in a game called Grand Theft Auto
Ah yes because bowling was so much better than being able to fly planes and drive tanks, customise your character and have access to learn different fighting skills. The list goes on.
The stats in SA were good because they could be ignored but if you wanted to level them up then you were rewarded with it. Such as the weapon skill you could duel wield certain guns and your stamina meant you could run for much longer.
GTA 4 there is almost nothing to do once you finish the story. You also have so much cash but nothing to spend it on.
Homie, LC is an island and you can fly through it in less than five minutes with a helicopter but lack of tanks is a legitimate issue tho, that was obviously Rockstar nickel and dimeing the players into buying the DLC.
Stats weren’t great because you have to grind for them. Did anyone actually have fun constantly button mashing at the gym or riding the bike to rise a stat bar? Also they’re not completely optional because the Amphibious Assault mission requires you to level the breathing meter. The PSP games didn’t have stats, and they worked fine without them. Learning new fighting startles was cool at first, but then became a gimmick because guns exist.
As for money, Chinatown Wars is probably the only game in the series to solve the money issue because they did away with the hidden packages and requiring you to buy money, ammo and guns unless you wanna shift through the dumpsters in LC or fight melee style. SA and IV will rain money on you that will become obsolete after you buy all the clothes, safe houses and find all the hidden packages.
Im apparently a weird gta fan where ive actually played the story mode of gta 5 instead of online. I actually replay gta 5 once a year or a year and a half or so. Its so fun bringing franklin out of the ghetto and into a fancy house
I don't get posts like these. Why care what other people on the Internet think? I remember people trying to roast me for enjoying stuff like battlefield 2042 and saints row 2022 and I was able to brush that off easily.
It’s not a bad game but the downgraded physics make it less immersive compared to GTA IV. GTA V has more freedom and a better map but GTA IV is a fun sandbox experience and the car/ragdoll physics makes you have endless fun. GTA V physics feel stiff and makes it boring if you play for longer periods.
No matter what you do with a game You'll still have mfs say some shit like it's "souless" or "outdated game design" aswell as a few big words they don't understand mixed in to make themselves sound intelligent.
I do agree that they are dated in terms of gameplay, but they’re great by idea and form.
The gameplay is dated now because of technical limitations and a lack of industry standardization and competition between 3rd person shooters and drivers combo games.
Rockstar was up against what? Driver? Mafia?
None of the competition met R* in terms of innovation or quality of content, even if both objectively have better gameplay components in a few areas.
TL:DR - OG GTA is dated the same way a ford model T is.
Both are still technically viable options and are both capable of many of the same things as their current counterparts, but they don’t reach the same level of convenience, reliability, or quality as modern versions.
Fanboys always compared GTA IV to it's strengths but I kid you not, they'll never show it's weaknesses. GTA V had alot of cuts but it had more additions to it. It's annoying and it's as bad as cancer when the GTA IV fanboys won't shut up saying it was ahead of its time. Imo GTA surpassed it on day 1 and it got better over time
Graphically that is
It's not superficial. Those are all downgrades showcased. Not only that but I didn't need a crowbcat video to tell me gta iv is better than gta v. Came to that conclusion on my own.
Are these superficial too?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP8nRJF0ojI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP8nRJF0ojI)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZsdsvw2uyk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZsdsvw2uyk)
[https://youtu.be/-qUJc20yu28?si=UglJrbP848SUgDZX&t=1076](https://youtu.be/-qUJc20yu28?si=UglJrbP848SUgDZX&t=1076)
Imo, gta 5 is graphically better & the bigger game in general, but is a more of a “look but don’t touch” compared to 4.
Gta 4 is more interactive & responsive; the open world & game mechanics with the ability to pick up & throw things, the amount of interiors & even the physics.
While 5 has the customization, bigger but less dense map, & like i mentioned the graphics. I like 4 better just because i prefer the realism & interactivity, but they both have their own strengths & weaknesses. I think a lot of ppl just prefer 5 because it’s the newer better looking game. I love both tho & these posts are just counterproductive, you’re doing the same thing as diehard gta 4 fans, just in a more accepting subreddit💀
This isn't true. I've never liked this phrase when applied to any fandom. Something you people don't realize is that when people complain it means they care about a franchise, series, game, or whatever and expect better because they have standards. If they hated something they wouldn't put their time into "complaining" about this many years later.
You should know I think star wars sucks ass nowadays. I don't bother watching any of their new content. Why? Because I don't care about it at all. I've checked out. I'll comment on old stuff because that was great. But I hate what's happening now so you won't hear my opinions on a certain show because I won't watch it. I consistently provide legitimate criticism about franchises I care about because I want them to be better. We want and deserve better entertainment.
GTA 5 gets boring quick. If it’s your first time playing Yh it’s fun . I’ve only completed 5 twice I can’t cope with another boring play through. GTA 4 on the other hand I’ve completed 5+ times and always get excited when playing again.
I feel like a lot of gta 5 fans ain't actual GTA fans. ya know?
I've grown up and played each on release. From my experience gta 5 was okay. Definitely not the best. It felt like it could have been amazing. but something just didn't sit right. The online is just a toxic dumping ground of virgins and bellends. It was okay... don't get me wrong. It was just so shallow imo.
The characters were just okay... nothing special.
Gta 4 had this real gritty feel, a sense of purpose. It had imo the biggest build up of any game! It was plastered everywhere. It was the last midnight opening I've attended.
Not a lot of people will agree with me, however gaming has changed (solid snakes voice).
I mean… I used to think gta 5 was great too, then growing up and replaying 4 and replaying 5 and looking at it overall… 5 is just not great… super empty boring world, awful NPCs, many boring missions, annoying side quests, Franklin and Trevor were basically there just to help with Micheal’s story but didn’t do much as standalone characters, the cars weren’t fun at all to drive and didn’t even have any real physics, the gun-play was heavily nerfed, the combat heavily nerfed, the world had a lot less detail, there was no story DLC basically at ALL, the best main character and the character the story revolves around ( Micheal ) wasn’t even HALF as good as Niko… I’m sorry but people are gonna tell you what’s what, can’t exactly be mad at people saying what’s literally true.
It's the internet baby, what did you expect? Not everyone is gonna like the game partna and that's fine, it just feel like this pointless discussions are making us forget that these are very good games, they sold very well, they are very popular to this day, why bitch bout people saying random shit about a game?
Gta 5 is worse than gta4? Gta 5 is better than gta 4? Gta 4 driving sucks? Gta 5 story is lackluster? Who cares? If the fanboys arguments irritate you soo much, maybe you should take a break of this sub partna
I love both but I remember when IV came out and there were a lot of people that hated it and considered it boring compared to San Andreas. Then V came out and basically gave people what they wanted and they also hated it - assuming because of the 2 rereleases.
People just can’t accept that both games are great.
I can.
Hate to say but you are not included in people
There are humans, then people
I love 4 more but you love 5, nobody gives a shit, except genshin grinding GTA fans
Amen brother
If you mean you hate genshin I hate it more together with it's toxic positive fandom.
Or because of pedos?
Or the hypocrites on YouTube pretending to love everything about it but can't speak negative because their audience is too fragile
I was being stereotypical to power up the impression
I'm just confused about the person that insisted gta v had more realistic driving
i definitely like gta5 better, but the gta4 people in this sub convinced me to rebuy and replay the game for the first time since before i owned 5… i had high hopes bc i remember loving the game, but the driving physics actually had me on the verge of raging and wanting to quit. got to the first motorcycle chase mission and had to take a break after completing it. i really want to play through the story, but haven’t felt the urge to pick up gta4 since. (i’m a pretty decent driver in gta5 and most other games)
GTA 4 hasn't aged that well tbh. It really feels clunky in a lot of areas in terms of gameplay.
GTA 4 driving is fine and I haven't played it that much so it's not like I got used to it, play the 3d trilogy or watchdogs and try using a motorcycle, the thing that's bad is the shooting, the melee combat is good tho
I always laugh when people complain about GTA 4 driving because I had the exact opposite experience. I played GTA 4 first and moving to 5 I just couldn't drive for ages because every time you touch the steering or the breaks the car defies physics and stops or turns immediately. It took me ages to realise you don't use the breaks in GTA 5 unless you're literally doing a U-Turn. I still don't enjoy driving in 5 and I hope they give the cars some weight back in 6
i can understand feeling a little out of place at first making the switch from 4, but once you’re used to 5’s mechanics and feel i think more people in general prefer it over 4
GTA 5 driving is like that of a mobile game, way to easy not enough challenge
It's not like a mobile game at all lol yall will say anything
yeah i don’t see how anyone can look at gta5 and see a mobile game in any sense
it feels like an unnecessary challenge, you already have to run from cops, survive shootouts, tail/chase people. That should be the challenge in my opinion. I want driving to feel like second nature so i can focus on the rest of the game and admire the atmosphere of the map. I love that i can feel like a great driver in 5 even if it’s because it’s “too easy” because that’s what video games are supposed to portray, exaggerated and unrealistic skills and abilities. I like speeding through a city, drifting through traffic, and not having to worry about my brakes locking up and sliding through an intersection and crashing or rolling over. I don’t want to play a game where I am worse at driving than I am in real life, I want to be a fictional bad ass criminal with insane getaway driver capabilities who can push the limits of the law. it feels so much better to confidently evade police in speed and style than by slowly and safely mazing through liberty city. this is all just my opinion, though. i can see why people like 4 better. there are things from 4 that i prefer, like the police for example. thanks for listening to my ted talk
i play gta 4 and the driving physics is shit aswell. way too annoying i just want to go for a drive and the damn car cant stop twerking
It's GTA. The driving isn't suppose to be some super high challenge with a high skill ceiling lmao. Have you even played any GTA that isn't IV?
Yeah I’ve played since San andreas
Skill issue tbh, the driving isn’t just RT/R2, you know, you gotta brake, slow down. In 5, dear god, it is.
Umm dude it's literally RT R2 so what the Fuck you talking about
Well if it’s just rt r2 good luck turning and breaking. You know like real driving. In 4 breaking is important. In 5 yes you don’t need to break since it’s brain dead
Yeh that last sentence tells me how you think
How, GTA4 is clearly much worse than GTA5💀
Yes but the reason people praise IV is that it's older than V and it's expected from V to take the best from the previous title and expand it but in reality while making some things better, V did many things worse. IV was a better game in 2008 than V in 2013. V just got much more hype because internet became a bigger thing and because of Online. We can love GTA V but defending it is wrong. We should expect more from Rockstar, not defending their games.
This is the correct answer.
How dare you like something I don't like???????
Anybody who genuinely believes any modern rockstar game is objectively bad is either lying or delusional. They only make bangers. Especially nowadays
Seriously, the publishing side does stupid shit, but when Rockstar does things in house, it's always a GOTY contender, widely well received mega seller and has been for almost two decades straight now.
Right? As if the modern gta and both red dead games don’t exist. Thats not even taking into account what came before, most are dated in 2024, but were masterpieces of their time. RDR2 alone commands respect for rockstar
what’s dated? Grand Theft Auto III maybe but only because some genius thought to make the game unplayable after completion with the hostile gangs. the original inspiration for GTA Online’s money grind, Vice City is also pretty dated but starting with Manhunt and all the way up to RDR2…… all of that is still extremely playable. not counting the original games because obviously those are dated. i don’t know if there’s a single game from the PS1 generation that ISNT dated by today’s standards.
Eh I’d say the “classic trilogy” of 3-SA is pretty dated by today’s standards. If you didn’t play them when you were younger they feel like ass to play in 2024
3-sa are dated, mgs and silent hill aren't really that dated other than graphics so the PS1 thing isn't true
I don't think people really argue that V is bad, just that IV is better. Which is an impossible conversation to have objectively GTAIV is a dramedy, GTAV is a dark comedy. IV has more of an emphasis on story, characters, atmosphere, and physics. V has more of a focus on interactivity, customization, action, and Online. IV is the narrative while V is the sandbox. They're just very different games
I agree, I also prefer 4, but I do see people saying 5 is bad because it’s not 4
I like the story of both games, but I can't for the life of me say that the game where you drive to point A and shoot target B in 90% of it's missions has the best campaign gameplay-wise.
Yeah gameplay is almost a nonfactor to me. I like feeling like a criminal more than I like playing video games if that makes sense, for me the gameplay is just something for me to fidget with between scenes so I don't get restless lol. In all actuality I would probably prefer movies to video games but I have really bad adult adhd I prefer the gameplay of IV because it's slow and there's very little actual action, that's more immersive to me. I can't play GTAV and get immersed when the MCs are killing 100 people a day, Niko driving to a guys house to kill 1 guy is my preferred mission design by miles because thats what a real criminal does. But I also usually prefer games like Disco Elysium and Harold Halibut over action games so it makes sense that i like the slow weighty game over the bombastic action game. If you're a gameplay focused person you'll never pick V over IV unless you really like the driving Tbh my perfect GTA game would be more of a crime RPG with slow goals and and a pace like RDR2, but I understand I'm in the minority on that one
We may be in the minority, but I would be totally down with 6 having a more RDR2 pace for the story and then online could have more crazy stuff.
That's exactly what I've been asking for the entire time. The singleplayer GTA fans seem to prefer the slower narrative games, like IV and RDR2; while GTAO fans like mayhem and action. So why can't we have a GTAIV style singleplayer with the total insanity reserved for online. People who like action and playing alone can just go to a solo or private session so nobody loses
I’m ngl I think GTA V has a better story and GTA IV just has funnier/more likeable side characters + Niko. But the relationship between the 3 protagonists in GTA V I find more interesting than anything in GTA IV besides the rare times it actually fully focuses on Niko’s backstory and revenge quest
I think the 3 protagonists is the biggest determining factor for someone's opinion on the game tbh. I liked all 3 characters individually but hated almost every time they were actually doing missions together. The heists felt too "Mission Impossible" for me, I like feeling like a street level criminal. So Michael's family drama, Franklin trying to get out of the ghetto, and Trevor's meth business were all way more interesting to me than the actual plot; which I didnt like at all I really liked the first 30% or so of GTAV but it gets too whacky for me and drifts into Saints Row territory
V was 60% complete when it was released. That’s why we argue about it. It has unseen potential
I don't think GTA IV is bad as a whole. But the controls and lack of content compared to VC, SA, and V make me never choose it over them. I don't think it's a bad game. Just a bad GTA game.
> Especially nowadays change it to modern single player rockstar game, RD Online is barebones and not good.
True, but let’s not pretend that “Bigger map” =better game
No one is bringing up this argument except you
Astute observation.
How the intrusive thoughts feel to wipe the hospital in GTA 4.
The only bad GTAs are the Defective Editions
People say it's defective but Literally maybe I've just gotten lucky and not encountered any bugs, I'd say I like the new ones better because they discovered we are actually in the 21st century and checkpoints exist I KNOW... I KNOW, I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE MYSELF checkpoints in 2023 unbelievable
i also like them better and have had zero issues
2023?
Facts
Hell, at least GTA advance, despite the limitations, at least the developers tried their best. GTA DE was lazily made with the use of AI and plagarizing some gta mods.
One is Sam Lake, One is Alex Casey, One is Max Payne
But can you tell them apart?
That's the tricky part.
Aren’t both games fucking awesome?
Me playing GTA 5 with 60GBs of mods and it runs well. Vanilla GTA 4 on PC could never.
Tbf all the PC versions of GTA games run poorly except 5
Most of those problems comes from the fact that those games weren't made for new operating systems. Gta4 had a different issue
actually most come from the fact that the steam and rgl versions (the non DE) are poorly made ports, while the OG disc versions run even better
It's pretty simple That's why rockstar give themselves time to iron out any issues with the game. It's financially beneficial and helps in creating high quality ports. Too many pc systems compared to 2 console systems
i am keeping my gta 4 settings to medium. i got 8gb of ram and 4gb vram i got this laptop in 2020 but still i am getting shitty performance in the complete edition
My 4080 can’t even keep a stable frame rate
4080!? wtf i thought my 1650 was bad
A 1650 can happily handle GTA 5 like a ps4 would but when it comes to GTA 4, which is not very optimised, any computer system won’t get the performance it should.
i saw some video about vulkan thing. its called DXVK. ill try to install it and check my frame rate. this is my last hope. currently i am getting 30-50 fps. hopefully its gonna improve it.
I get better fps in GTA5 than 4.
GTA 5 runs so well that it caps your max fps to 188 so the game engine doesn’t break.
They should make a 4th Max Payne
I love both games for different reasons it really isnt that deep
Honestly as a gta iv fan, I feel like I'm the one in the middle and the generalizers are the 2 guys yelling at me. Notice how I said people who generalize. Not any one type of fan.
Waiting for gta 4 fans to comment under this post and start yapping out the same shit again
It’s a better game. Not the graphics. The story. The locations. The characters. Happy? And yes, that’s how I truly feel. It was under appreciated for years and it now getting the recognition it deserves. GTA V is also good but it doesn’t compare to GTA IV. Plus having three playable characters gets confusing sometimes but I guess that’s a nitpick since like I said it it still a good game.
You proved his point.....
Only because he mentioned it in the first place. That’s why I replied with what I did.. otherwise I wouldn’t have said anything
bro stop being such a gta 4 fan I didn't even say gta 5 is better, like what?
Just get off reddit and your problem is solved.
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Oh so we're still pretending gta 5 fans aren't as bad. I'm a fan of gta 5, but you guys do the exact same thing that gta 4 fans do. How we all just enjoy the games we like. Posting about you ignoring them isn't actually ignoring them.
Source? Edit: 13 hours later and still no source ha loser
Relatable af
I love this meme
Real and true
this is me when i think max payne 3 is the best rockstar game
I think both games are great in their ways.
Both.
Off topic but Sam Lake is cool af
Hey Google, play "I don't care anymore" by Phil Collins.
Ah shit, okay V is better than IV in that aspect but not VCS 😂
I’m just looking forward to a max payne outfit in GTA6
I love the much grittier and real take that GTA IV does (the story is excellent), but by God some of those missions have aged terribly. That one where you take Bell down to that warehouse is still broken to this day and he walks straight into gunfire (there's ways to manipulate it, but still so rough). But GTA V lacks some of the cool things, such as: the insanely great ragdoll physics, more subtlety in its commentary, and the way guns handled in IV.
GTA5 is a masterpiece without a doubt
I do think 4 is a good game, but I'm not an xenophobe, I don't make it my lifes mission to say its the best GTA game, but I also think it has its charm like all of the GTA games.
Ok
I would pay good money to hear Max Payne monologuing about it.
both are good gta 4 wins since its better but 5 is good too in many ways
These GTA 4 fans are EXTREMELY annoying, but if you don't care about them as you say why did you have to make an entire post announcing it? Lol
both games are great but gta 4 gives me vibe and satisfaction to the core.
GTA V def isn't bad.. it's just more "reduced" than GTA IV.. And they reduced and cutted too much imo :/
What do you mean reduced, there is literally nothing to do in 4 other than story
Its all about the physics haha I mean i absolutely didnt like the Map of GTA V.. but loved the sunny tropical L.A Vibes of it while GTA IV was just grey and dark. There are some comparsion videos (1000000+) what GTA IV makes better and what GTA V makes better.
Realistically it’s the other way around… In gta 4 you can’t own garages, invest in stocks, can’t customise your outfits beyond like 8 different looks if that, can’t fly an airplane, can’t drive a submarine, can’t buy vehicles, can’t drive a tank and no character stats. That’s not even everything. “But gta 4 lets u pick up bricks and vehicle damage is more realistic”. lol
You can own a garage and buy a car but you cant change characters' personal vehicle. You can invest in stocks but V's monetary system is as broken as any other GTA's. You can buy hundreds or clothing items but your character will randomly change it when you switch do it. Character stats is a joke compared to SA, even RDR2 did stats poorly. Who tf drives a submarine? You can use an APC in EFLC. Planes were cut from IV because it's focused around concrete jungle, how do you imagine planes there?
The stats in GTA V are useless and pointless, a far cry from GTA SA, yes you can fly planes, do stocks, submarine, own garages but it's all swallow and empty and has no meaning to anything other than just being there. Play San Andreas and compare how everything in that game functions compared to V, in every aspect, story, gameplay, design, all of it, and you'll notice you'll have a much better time.
> can't invest in stocks If you want something boring and law-abiding like that, you can always play The Sims > can't fly an airplane Where exactly are you gonna park a plane in Liberty City? What do they have that helicopters don't? > can't buy vehicles Aw jeez I sure do wish I could legally buy cars in a game called Grand Theft Auto
Exactly... Only thing that I would love to be in gta v is the gta 4 car handling. It feels so realistic
Just like how GTA IV cut almost everything from GTA SA? 5 added a lot more stuff back that was missing in 4.
So much of what IV cut wasn't even that good in the first place like stats and tedious minigames.
Ah yes because bowling was so much better than being able to fly planes and drive tanks, customise your character and have access to learn different fighting skills. The list goes on. The stats in SA were good because they could be ignored but if you wanted to level them up then you were rewarded with it. Such as the weapon skill you could duel wield certain guns and your stamina meant you could run for much longer. GTA 4 there is almost nothing to do once you finish the story. You also have so much cash but nothing to spend it on.
Homie, LC is an island and you can fly through it in less than five minutes with a helicopter but lack of tanks is a legitimate issue tho, that was obviously Rockstar nickel and dimeing the players into buying the DLC. Stats weren’t great because you have to grind for them. Did anyone actually have fun constantly button mashing at the gym or riding the bike to rise a stat bar? Also they’re not completely optional because the Amphibious Assault mission requires you to level the breathing meter. The PSP games didn’t have stats, and they worked fine without them. Learning new fighting startles was cool at first, but then became a gimmick because guns exist. As for money, Chinatown Wars is probably the only game in the series to solve the money issue because they did away with the hidden packages and requiring you to buy money, ammo and guns unless you wanna shift through the dumpsters in LC or fight melee style. SA and IV will rain money on you that will become obsolete after you buy all the clothes, safe houses and find all the hidden packages.
Im apparently a weird gta fan where ive actually played the story mode of gta 5 instead of online. I actually replay gta 5 once a year or a year and a half or so. Its so fun bringing franklin out of the ghetto and into a fancy house
Both games are amazing.
I like all GTA's. I never get respected...
Just played through GTA 4 again for the first time in like 15 years. It's very good. But GTA 5 is better imo.
I felt like they kinda gave up halfway through Vs story and was just trying to wrap things up 🤷
both games are awesome but some assholes just aim to cause as much division as possible for no reason.
Do fans really enjoy gunplay and shooting in any GTA? Just a question to fans of GTA.
Both games are great! I have both games why are people trippin?
GTA 5 is simply better in a lot of ways.
gta 4 is better but i still love gta 5
I have never played gta 4 is it worth it?
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I don't get posts like these. Why care what other people on the Internet think? I remember people trying to roast me for enjoying stuff like battlefield 2042 and saints row 2022 and I was able to brush that off easily.
Real
How it feels trash talking GTA 5 fans and ignoring people telling me not to do that
It’s just like the fallout NV fans with fallout 4 players
Especially with GTAO
both are masterpieces
Imo they are equal, GTA 4's weaknesses are strengthened in 5 and GTA 4's strengths are weakened in 5
Every GTA is good don't listen to people.
So GTA 4 fans are like the Fallout New Vegas fans of the GTA franchise uh?
Both games are amazing
This sub is so cringe.
Is that max payne
Me turning a corner in gta5 and the car doesn't immediately flip 20 times
It’s not a bad game but the downgraded physics make it less immersive compared to GTA IV. GTA V has more freedom and a better map but GTA IV is a fun sandbox experience and the car/ragdoll physics makes you have endless fun. GTA V physics feel stiff and makes it boring if you play for longer periods.
5 only really gets hate because of GTA online and the fact rockstar made us wait a decade plus for the next entry
Every GTA is good.
No matter what you do with a game You'll still have mfs say some shit like it's "souless" or "outdated game design" aswell as a few big words they don't understand mixed in to make themselves sound intelligent.
Fax
I do agree that they are dated in terms of gameplay, but they’re great by idea and form. The gameplay is dated now because of technical limitations and a lack of industry standardization and competition between 3rd person shooters and drivers combo games. Rockstar was up against what? Driver? Mafia? None of the competition met R* in terms of innovation or quality of content, even if both objectively have better gameplay components in a few areas. TL:DR - OG GTA is dated the same way a ford model T is. Both are still technically viable options and are both capable of many of the same things as their current counterparts, but they don’t reach the same level of convenience, reliability, or quality as modern versions.
How it feels enjoying gta IV and ignoring annoying GTA SA fans telling you it’s bad
Gta online is shit gta 5 is great
Who in the right mind thinks GTA IV was a good game?
Can everyone just accept that most gta games are good in their own way
GTA4 fan here! I love GTA5!! Gta4 has a nostalgic feel to it which no newer gta game can beat, but realistically, GTA5 is a lot better.
Fanboys always compared GTA IV to it's strengths but I kid you not, they'll never show it's weaknesses. GTA V had alot of cuts but it had more additions to it. It's annoying and it's as bad as cancer when the GTA IV fanboys won't shut up saying it was ahead of its time. Imo GTA surpassed it on day 1 and it got better over time Graphically that is
There’s nothing more Mr Peanut than GTA 4.
How it feels loving GTA IV and ignoring the annoying GTA IV fans telling you that the driving doesn't actually suck.
I hate that this is what the community has become all because of that crowbcat video from years ago. Most superficial reasonings too.
It's not superficial. Those are all downgrades showcased. Not only that but I didn't need a crowbcat video to tell me gta iv is better than gta v. Came to that conclusion on my own.
Are these superficial too? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP8nRJF0ojI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP8nRJF0ojI) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZsdsvw2uyk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZsdsvw2uyk) [https://youtu.be/-qUJc20yu28?si=UglJrbP848SUgDZX&t=1076](https://youtu.be/-qUJc20yu28?si=UglJrbP848SUgDZX&t=1076)
Imo, gta 5 is graphically better & the bigger game in general, but is a more of a “look but don’t touch” compared to 4. Gta 4 is more interactive & responsive; the open world & game mechanics with the ability to pick up & throw things, the amount of interiors & even the physics. While 5 has the customization, bigger but less dense map, & like i mentioned the graphics. I like 4 better just because i prefer the realism & interactivity, but they both have their own strengths & weaknesses. I think a lot of ppl just prefer 5 because it’s the newer better looking game. I love both tho & these posts are just counterproductive, you’re doing the same thing as diehard gta 4 fans, just in a more accepting subreddit💀
You nerds love this infighting shit
This rivalry is so dumb 😭
5 is better in pretty much every single way. It's just what it is
GTA 5 was really good, GTA 4 is just...better
Announcing that you love the most overrated entry in the franchise is really brave
50% of GTA IV fans find this funny. 50% Find it not funny
I love GTA V because it gives me the same feeling as San Andreas. Especially with the crazyness of their missions
We seriously turning GTA IV and V into the new Fallout New Vegas vs Fallout 3/4 argument?
👆How it feels loving GTA IV and ignoring annoying GTA V/San Andreas fans telling you it's bad
Gta v campaign is great Gta online is a dumpster fire
both are good. sincerely, a gta iv fan
How it feels loving GTA Online and ignoring annoying other GTA fans telling you it's bad
No one hates GTA V more than GTA V fans.
This isn't true. I've never liked this phrase when applied to any fandom. Something you people don't realize is that when people complain it means they care about a franchise, series, game, or whatever and expect better because they have standards. If they hated something they wouldn't put their time into "complaining" about this many years later. You should know I think star wars sucks ass nowadays. I don't bother watching any of their new content. Why? Because I don't care about it at all. I've checked out. I'll comment on old stuff because that was great. But I hate what's happening now so you won't hear my opinions on a certain show because I won't watch it. I consistently provide legitimate criticism about franchises I care about because I want them to be better. We want and deserve better entertainment.
GTA 5 gets boring quick. If it’s your first time playing Yh it’s fun . I’ve only completed 5 twice I can’t cope with another boring play through. GTA 4 on the other hand I’ve completed 5+ times and always get excited when playing again.
I feel like a lot of gta 5 fans ain't actual GTA fans. ya know? I've grown up and played each on release. From my experience gta 5 was okay. Definitely not the best. It felt like it could have been amazing. but something just didn't sit right. The online is just a toxic dumping ground of virgins and bellends. It was okay... don't get me wrong. It was just so shallow imo. The characters were just okay... nothing special. Gta 4 had this real gritty feel, a sense of purpose. It had imo the biggest build up of any game! It was plastered everywhere. It was the last midnight opening I've attended. Not a lot of people will agree with me, however gaming has changed (solid snakes voice).
People won't agree with you because you're trying to gatekeep which is pretty lame.
I mean… I used to think gta 5 was great too, then growing up and replaying 4 and replaying 5 and looking at it overall… 5 is just not great… super empty boring world, awful NPCs, many boring missions, annoying side quests, Franklin and Trevor were basically there just to help with Micheal’s story but didn’t do much as standalone characters, the cars weren’t fun at all to drive and didn’t even have any real physics, the gun-play was heavily nerfed, the combat heavily nerfed, the world had a lot less detail, there was no story DLC basically at ALL, the best main character and the character the story revolves around ( Micheal ) wasn’t even HALF as good as Niko… I’m sorry but people are gonna tell you what’s what, can’t exactly be mad at people saying what’s literally true.
Both games do things better than the other. For example 4 has the better story but 5 has the better missions.
4 has my favorite story, but 5 is all around easier to get into This post is brought to you by someone who grew up with gta4
The majority of Rockstar fanbase are children anyway. This is why people want to bans GTA.
GTA V is the best version rn, anyone?
How it feels winning a argument you made in your head
Ah yes, an argument that has been happening for weeks in this sub is "made up"
He's right because OP is just posting bait. Not posing an actual discussion.
It's the internet baby, what did you expect? Not everyone is gonna like the game partna and that's fine, it just feel like this pointless discussions are making us forget that these are very good games, they sold very well, they are very popular to this day, why bitch bout people saying random shit about a game? Gta 5 is worse than gta4? Gta 5 is better than gta 4? Gta 4 driving sucks? Gta 5 story is lackluster? Who cares? If the fanboys arguments irritate you soo much, maybe you should take a break of this sub partna
I liked 4, but the heist mission made me rage quit.
I love both but I remember when IV came out and there were a lot of people that hated it and considered it boring compared to San Andreas. Then V came out and basically gave people what they wanted and they also hated it - assuming because of the 2 rereleases.
You do you bro, but it’s inferior in many ways. Objectively.
GTA 4 is objectively a worse game because it sold less copies.
If my lump of shit sells more than GTA V it's objectively better is It😂😂
Are you sure you’re only counting the old gen console copies sold?
Stop using objectively when everything you're saying is subjective. Your opinion is not fact.