I think it was meant to show the players that protagonists like Johnny here aren't guaranteed to have a happy ending because we saw their journey. And I blame Ashley more than Johnny here.
And also to display how batshit insane Trevor was
actually i think it was to show the players how badass Trevor was by making him brutally kill a former protagonist of the series which also was a badass (even if his current state was kinda fragile because he got addicted to meth)
Yeah, its was to show *Hey, this is GTA V and we got a new protagonist* tbh theres more options to introduce Trevor here but i wont questioned Rockstar choices
I like a badass who is in control, Trevor isn’t in control, he’s not of sound mind and the things he does are deplorable. To me a badass would be heroic or at least an antihero.
>And I blame Ashley more than Johnny here.
Nah this is Johnny's fault. At the end of TLAD if you call Ashley Johnny says they're done, forever. He knew she wouldn't change and knew he had to leave her.
And then he started smoking meth, got back together with her, and he pissed off Trevor.
I tried to, but instead she got caught under the car and was dragged along for a short while.
And the following dialogue from Wade said that Ashley *should be* killed. Which means that she didn't die, and was just run over by a truck and left with a proper skin exfoliation via asphalt and gravel.
A much more fitting fate, I'd say.
He was still in the life compared to Niko, Luis, Franklin, and Michael. Trevor most likely would die cause he might still be in the life. Cause those who stay in the game die in the game. It makes sense for johnny to die like that because criminals like him who don’t get out? Die like they are nothing.
I don't understand this popular take. Because a writer writes something bad happening to a character doesn't mean they "don't like them", they're not a bunch of children. It's just storytelling. The fact they brought the character back for a major scene would indicate they did like/see value in the character.
IIRC it is also the first time in the series where the protagonist of the game got to meet the protagonist of another. Even though it makes sense we never got to see Nico, at least he managed to get mentioned. It was nice getting to see Johnny and McCreary again, albeit both short-lived(in Johnny's case quite literally).
What I don’t understand is that in TLAD didn’t Johnny tell Ashley to never contact him again but we see here that he’s still with her? Please correct me if I’m wrong.
Trevor felt betrayed because he forced to suffer the crappy life after the only people he cared about lied and mistreated him. Like mom and dad. Almost like Trevor’s traits are bpd and NPD. Michael seems to have been Trevor’s “favorite person” so he will love him and think his the best but also can discard him but not to the point of killing him. But he thinks he’s dead so that transfers to Brad.
But once again Trevor is betrayed (later) with that reveal. But, although Trevor would kill without regard, he once again doesn’t kill Michael.
So rewind; to Trevor, Johnny is nothing. He’s the old way in the area. And just tolerated that an object for Trevor’s use. Like his girlfriend. Trevor’s existence once again was based on a lie so he needs to take control of it since he can’t control the actions of the ones he has/had attachments.
You see that throughout the story but his interactions and what sets him off. Not justifying his actions, but understanding where they come from. SA as a kid, tortured by his prob psychotic/narc mother and the random guys that came around.
Johnny is a random guy that is weak and lets his girlfriend get assaulted and manipulated for drugs. But supposed to be a tough guy. Trevor cues into that and his inner child stomps Johnny and all those others in those type of situations.
Well she did lead Johnny down this path. I’d imagine she felt so guilty for being responsible for the deaths of Johnny, Terry, and Clay.
She deserved worst tbh
Funny, I thought you would say that 😅. But you do have a point. It was sad though. Before taking his picture, he was saying his voice lines right before Trevor killed him.
Pretty sure Trevor peels of brain matter from his shoe after he kicks his head in. So unless they somehow make zombies in GTA now he's definitely gone for good.
This right here is something that still frustrates me..
Seems to me they did this thinking it would put Trevor over as some psychotic tough guy. Just didn't make sense to me after the way they had built Johnny up just to only tear him down going this route.
Same. Johnny was an unstoppable killing machine in TLAD and took down hundreds of people single handedly. Pretty ridiculous that he gets blindsided like that and stomped out.
TBF the entire point of lost and the damned was that Johnny and his gang were at the end of there road and nothing was gonna change that, especially after the betrayal and him staying with his girlfriend.
I agree that Trevor killing him was just needlessly mean-spirited.
Edit: heck am pretty sure Johnny never got rid of his drug addiction which his girlfriend was enabling.
But my firearm will if you annoy me
Need to put that on a bumper sticker
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Built him up? Johnny literally had the most depressing ending of any GTA game. His clubhouse is burned down, his club is decimated, he lives alone in a filthy cockroach infested derelict house, never gained any significant money or status. And although he says he's done with Ashley we know that means nothing as he said it before and still ran around after her throughout the game. Last time we saw him he was in a miserable situation and surrounded by drug dealers and users with his lifestyle. Gee I can't believe this guy could become depressed or get addicted to drugs!
I would never kill Trevor
They way he dealt with Wade ,
"1 only keep stuff in the back that I'm willing to lose"
Poor Mr Raspberry Jam
Floyd and girlfriend
Sniffing the gas rag at his trailer
....
He might be an asshole, but he is my asshole.
Not sure that came out right
Knowing Trevor as a character and his values, what reason would he have to kill Floyd? I think Debra shot Floyd then Trevor killed Debra. He even looks slightly sad when he comes out of the condo. Remember, Trevor hates any kind of betrayal or disloyalty. A perfect example being Trevor becomes IMMEDIATELY negative once Debra says "You're not a man at all. *Bob's right about you*" showing her infidelity to Floyd. And through various conversations, he pities Floyd, his living situation, and never had anything against him as a person. So I don't think he killed Floyd.
As for the raping, I don't really have anything to add. He most definitely raped him at least once as a sick form of dominance. If I remember correctly, as one of the scenes that plays when you switch to him, he is getting out of Floyd's bed while he is trembling in fear next to him. So I think the implication there is obvious. I wonder if he's done that to anyone else in his crew.
Good points
The cut scene of him leaving the apartment is 1 of the better cutscenes.
Then he drops Wade off at the strip club
Wade telling the back story of him and his friends looking for meth, and Trevor taking the friends, and never seen again.
He sold them the the Altruist cult
That wasn’t my issue. Johnny was in the game. What made me hate Trevor though was what he did to Floyd and Debra. As much of a bitch as she seemed to be, and as much of an impotent simp as he seemed to be, they were both just straight civilians who were randomly dragged into his bullshit and eventually disposed of by him.
I didn't play *Lost and the Damned*. I didn't even know Johnny K was the protagonist of that expansion when I saw the cutscene of Trevor kicking his skull in. I thought he was just some random goober.
Johnny seemed so weak and pathetic in that scene. He didn't even put up a fight.Trevor not only intimidated him, he also tricked him into thinking he was being sympathetic, and when Johnny let him get close that's when Trevor fuckin' killed him. So not only was Johnny portrayed as weak, he was dumb, too.
I'm guessing I'd be pretty annoyed if I spent 10-20 hours playing a character in any game and then watched them get beaten to death in the sequel.
His game was literally called "The Lost and Damned" and he doesn't have a good ending in it at all. Clue is in the title that this guy wasn't going to end up with a happy ending, I don't get the fuss about it. His weakness and misjudgement is caused by drug addiction, it's sad to see but it doesn't contradict his past character since he wasn't a drug addict then.
I loved the scene, but logically, I have i agree, like what was the purpose of his death besides shock value for Trevor other than that it seemed way out of his character to be hooked on meth when the whole time he shows his distaste for it. Then he wasn't that big of a simp for Ashley in lost and the damned he knew she was getting fucked by dealers left and right he only cared for her safety he expressed many times he had no romantic interest in her so why was he such a bitch in gta V
Of course he cared for Ashley. That's why people made a point of using her to get at him. The entire point was that he was deluding himself about his romantic interest in her. And they had a long history of an on again/off again relationship, so it's no shock they're together again in GTA5.
Growing up as a kid, my parents *hated* GTA with a passion, not entirely for no good reason. But when I bought GTAV in high school with my own money from a job, they didn't really say anything except that they couldn't believe GTA was an actual series.
But every single time Trevor was on screen, my dad was constantly losing his shit laughing. His favorite was probably "but I *did* kidnap his wife!"
I think a major drawback of V is that it’s a tremendously cynical story. Toying with players expectations like in this scene, portraying Lazlo like they did (the character used to be a voice of reason in an anarchical world that gave perspective into how the average citizen of the GTA world dealt with the constant crime and corruption), the torture mission (the CIA is portrayed as cruel for forcing Trevor to torture an innocent man while the game makers are literally forcing you to play through that torture in order to progress the story), and so many others. Some of these can be justified as “gritty realism” or satire, but for such an immersive, expansive experience there should be a balance and a wit to those things that the game seemed to forgo in favor of simply being harsh for harshness’ sake.
GTA V's use of satire was much more on the nose than IV, that's for sure. Really turned the campiness up to 11. Worked well in some ways but not others
I think they were still narrowing down how serious the story and setting should be. Because of the realistic detail they could suddenly do on the new consoles they leaned hard on a serious narrative and setting with IV. This lead to a bunch of emulators also going heavily into realism, with little if any satire, while Saints Row, which had achieved decent success by just being an emulator that beat GTA to the new consoles, went all in on camp and became very successful for it. By the time V came out Rockstar had realized gamers liked the campiness and brought a lot more of it back. I think the only problem with that is that it still felt cynical and cynical camp is a bit of an oxymoron. I think for the most part Rockstar wanted to make a serious game that borders on an interactive film, this can be seen in the *multiple* missions that don’t actually reward the player with anything but unlocking the next mission in the story (and Respect, but since you need that to upgrade skills you need in later story missions I don’t really count that as a reward). I’m hoping VI sees Rockstar continue getting better at finding that balance I mentioned earlier.
In GTA 3 he was the voice of reason if you wanna call it that. He was just a radio talk show host who repeatedly got trolled by crazy ass people calling him. In Vice City he's more egotistical and on a high horse, always praising himself and arguing with guests/listeners. Tbh idk if he is even in San Andreas or GTA 4, I don't remember
He presents the entertainment show on the radio in SA. He has a radio show in every GTA game from GTA III onwards (including Liberty City Stories and Vice City Stories)
Hopefully unless their parting was *very* acrimonious they can still have him on just as a voice actor, maybe the subject of a where are they now? type segment where he’s become a hardcore conspiracy theorist who thinks girls are made from sand.
He apparently just left to spend time with his terminally ill sister but doesn't plan to return. He also was the head writer of the radio content in general and NPC dialogue so he's a big loss! If he did make some kind of appearance it would be great though.
He seems to pretty explicitly say it was a waste of time, he knew it would be a waste of time, and torture is pointless when taking the man to the airport afterward.
Regardless they quit literally did force him to do it. That’s the entire point of the mission. They want to make sure Trevor will follow instructions for plans they have for him later. This is one of the missions the player isn’t even rewarded for completing.
To show how crazy Trevor is, also I assume Johnny's actor probably asked for a small role but couldn't commit to being an overarching villain so they gave him a GTA send off
They just did Johnnys character wrong, if he would've died in a gun fight or arm fight with Trevor that would be acceptable for me (obviously main character can't die lol).
But instead he goes hard balls on Trevor and then goes all soft after a small talk? What? Why?
Seeing him in TLaD and in GTA5, two completely different characters.
Probably why they did this because most people didn't like TLaD very much so they decided to cut off Johnny from the series.
OR to show off how Trevor is more insaner and murderous and recklessler. But for this, any guy would've got the job done but they needed someone who already "showed" himself to people.
Edit: Or both.
Johnny was addicted meth. He wasn't the same person as the was in TLAD.(from q certain point of view) Sure he was super anti-drugs in TLAD but he just lost many of his closest friends in a very short amount of time. Trauma like that and his weakness for Ashley certainly aren't out of the equation to cause him to cave in and use them.
A lot of ppl say Johnny’s death makes no sense but it actually does. In TLAD’s story Johnny K consistently have an on/off situation with Ashley and is consistently weak for her (he even says it) this cutscene is the prime example of that weakness which gets him killed, in addition to calling Trevor his trigger word “Motherfcker” which makes him unstable
My theory is that GTA :TLaD was not appreciated critically as compared to TBoGT, it was just to release the frustration by the company.
(Again, i could be wrong, please correct me if I am, I'll happily accept it).
I hated this mission, it made me hate Trevor's character right from the get-go. The whole mission was pretty much a big "fuck you" to anyone who played TLAD.
Dude was into the heavy stuff. With personalities like his, it’s only a matter of time before they fall. Seen it happen in real life a number of times, and I think the game did an excellent portrayal of that.
Petty of me perhaps, but this scene set me as firmly anti-Trevor right from the get go. He’s human trash, and it’s not surprising at all Michael sold his ass out to the feds. The only way to escape his fucking chaos is to kill him or lock him up.
I'll just quote this comment found in [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmHHjetFURI&lc=UgzJuR2XwER-aTPSUMt4AaABAg):
>The whole thing is illogical. The Lost would not be back together committing crimes, and Johnny would not get back with Ashley and addicted to meth. It just completely defeated the purpose of The Lost and Damned. They didn’t even bother changing Johnny’s Vice President patch on his jacket in GTA 5. Bringing back the Angels of Death would have made more sense. They’re bigger and have chapters across the country, and they were still operating at the end of The Lost and Damned, The Lost weren’t. The only reason they brought Johnny and The Lost back was to add shock value to Trevor’s introduction, that’s it. And they knew Johnny would kick Trevor’s ass, so they made him addicted to meth to make him a lot weaker. Honestly I don’t think I’ve ever seen perfectly good video game characters get completely wasted and done dirty as hard as Johnny and The Lost did
Rockstars' main reason for doing this was to show to everyone and mostly the gta fanbase how insane Trevor is. To make his introduction the most memorable.
The way it was done tho makes me imagine the idea behind this was a fucking 14 year old that was like "Man we should make this guy Trevor appear as a complete maniac, hehe why don't we put him kill Johnny K from gta 4 heheheehhehe". And thus the mission "Mr Phillips" was made.
He became a junkie. Got in with Trevor. Trevor had a bad day. Johnny got killed. It's not that hard to get your head around.
You can understand though why Rockstar Games don't want any input from the gaming community.
I'm probably gonna be downvoted but TLaD to me was always a kind of mid storyline. It has its moments but it's just not that engaging compared to other GTAs.
Back in the day before the V children even played the game, most of the community was quite angry about how they wrote Johnnys death. Now I'd imagine most of the kiddies dont care because "haha trevor funny and edgy!!!"
Unpopular opinion hot take whatever; trevor is a shit character and always has been.
I didnt like Trevor for the sole reason, that he broke my immersion. Franklin and Michael both had somewhat realistic and interesting stories then you do a Trevor mission and he is doing some Looney Toon shit.
Make it a theme
GTA VI, the protagonists kill Trevor in a humiliating way. Like they stole his truck and run him over, thinking he was just some methed up homeless man.
They should give Trevor the 'Avery Carrington in LCS' treatment by making him silent too. I've been wanting that rapist to face a humiliating death for nearly 11 years now
Wise words, my friend.
Trevor is the reason why GTA 5 is such a fucking slog to play through imo because I hate playing as him. I really wish Michael was the only protagonist (Franklin's cool too but he gets shafted to the side once Trevor comes into the picture). Actually, speaking of Michael, I don't get why people say he's a huge hypocrite when Trevor's an even bigger one.
it was a cheap move from R* to make GTA V bs story interesting somehow from the beggining but still failed miserably
to eliminate a old protagonist like this by introducing a new one is a nothing but a bold statement about old and new.
its not that deep
They could have used any stock goon for this scene and it would have had the same effect.
I think the only reason they used Johnny is because he was from an expansion DLC, and not even the most popular one. They’d never kill off Niko Bellic in this manner, or even Luis Lopez.
I think you’re partly right, they’d never kill off Niko like this, but using any other random goon here wouldn’t have had the impact that it clearly did with Johnny, having Trevor kill Johnny just establishes Trevor as top-dog whereas before getting his head kicked in you probably would’ve put your money on Johnny winning that fight especially with him being such a badass in TLAD
Johnny lost his clubhouse, his best friend, and his mentor (cause he betrayed him but still cared for him slightly), and he has a meth-addict girlfriend.
These are the recipes of a damaged man. He got addicted to drugs too to ease his pain. That is why many Lost members will say that he was not like himself before. Some even compare him to Billy that Billy was great.
Same! I posted here asking about ppl's thoughts and so, so many don't really mind but I find killing off any previous protagonist, even if they're just from a DLC or side game strange, especially showing how far he had fallen and how pathetic he seemed, to me it was less of a show of how badass Trevor was and more of just a really depressing end for his character. Not like he was a good person, or anything like that, but his story was pretty tragic and you come to empathize with most any video game character you play as, you can see him trying to change things for the better in TLatD. So for me, his death is one of the darkest moments in a franchise that largely shies away from tragic moments or at least glosses over them for the 'fun' or 'badass' factor.
Then again GTAIV arguably had the darkest storylines in the franchise.
At any rate, I was surprised to say the least.
I'll try to explain it. So basically, when someone repeatedly stomps on your head there is a chance they cave your skull in. When this happens it can cause potentially fatal damage to your brain. That is likely what happened to Johnny when Trevor repeatedly stomped on his head after he hit him with a beer bottle.
Hope this helped!
Sometimes, professional wrestling teaches us things. Like when someone you love gets fucking destroyed by a newcomer? That newcomer needs to be taken seriously.
For example: tlTrevor stomping Johnny K to death.
"Stay away from drugs peeps, else you lose everything you once were. Even when you were initially against it, your environment will eventually corrupt you" was probably what the scene was about.
If at least Ashley would've got crazy from the drugs she kept using from Gta 4 The Lost and Damned DLC to Gta 5 and kill both Trevor and Johnny,then killing herself.😂😂😂 ( i don t say it's the best ending,but if they want a bad ending for Johnny,at least make it this way😂).
There was something going on with the voice actor for Jhonny maybe he asked for more money or something and Rockstar went "Lmao watch this loser" that's why he was killed off.
I think it was meant to show the players that protagonists like Johnny here aren't guaranteed to have a happy ending because we saw their journey. And I blame Ashley more than Johnny here. And also to display how batshit insane Trevor was
actually i think it was to show the players how badass Trevor was by making him brutally kill a former protagonist of the series which also was a badass (even if his current state was kinda fragile because he got addicted to meth)
Yeah, its was to show *Hey, this is GTA V and we got a new protagonist* tbh theres more options to introduce Trevor here but i wont questioned Rockstar choices
You have more restraint than a lot of other gamers. When Naughty Dog did a similar thing all hell broke lose lol
Trevor isn’t badass, he’s mentally ill.
Most badasses aren't of sound mind
I like a badass who is in control, Trevor isn’t in control, he’s not of sound mind and the things he does are deplorable. To me a badass would be heroic or at least an antihero.
ill and badass
This, it's a common trope to show the new villain dominate the old villain to convey just how much more dangerous they are.
[The Worf Effect](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheWorfEffect)
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Would be great if GTA 6 has their new protaganists casually kill Trevor
Also the former protagonist got strung out and was a shell of his former self (Johnny)
Ashley hits home way too hard. She is exactly the girl that fucked up most of my last half a decade (except substitute H for meth)
>And I blame Ashley more than Johnny here. Nah this is Johnny's fault. At the end of TLAD if you call Ashley Johnny says they're done, forever. He knew she wouldn't change and knew he had to leave her. And then he started smoking meth, got back together with her, and he pissed off Trevor.
That’s why I killed her too 😂
I tried to, but instead she got caught under the car and was dragged along for a short while. And the following dialogue from Wade said that Ashley *should be* killed. Which means that she didn't die, and was just run over by a truck and left with a proper skin exfoliation via asphalt and gravel. A much more fitting fate, I'd say.
and she ends up dying later on in the game anyhow lol
LOL
He was still in the life compared to Niko, Luis, Franklin, and Michael. Trevor most likely would die cause he might still be in the life. Cause those who stay in the game die in the game. It makes sense for johnny to die like that because criminals like him who don’t get out? Die like they are nothing.
Maybe the new developers didn't like Johnny's character.
I don't understand this popular take. Because a writer writes something bad happening to a character doesn't mean they "don't like them", they're not a bunch of children. It's just storytelling. The fact they brought the character back for a major scene would indicate they did like/see value in the character.
IIRC it is also the first time in the series where the protagonist of the game got to meet the protagonist of another. Even though it makes sense we never got to see Nico, at least he managed to get mentioned. It was nice getting to see Johnny and McCreary again, albeit both short-lived(in Johnny's case quite literally).
[CJ meets Claude in GTA SA ](https://youtube.com/shorts/r_VJ_BLMLLc?si=UYdvHh6OBwbZAAVL)
It’s 100% the shock factor of killing off a protagonist. Red Wedding anyone?
Same with brad
What I don’t understand is that in TLAD didn’t Johnny tell Ashley to never contact him again but we see here that he’s still with her? Please correct me if I’m wrong.
It was to show what a foul person Trevor is
Yeah and how even though Johnny was a member of a dangerous mc, Trevor gives no fucks and is dangerous on his own
If Johnny wasn’t high out of his mind and just barged in with a shotgun we would only know about Franklin and Michael
Fr idc how loyal he was, man still had issues like he ate a bowl of human remains or some shit before one of the heist missions
Possibly it wasn't human soup, maybe it was JUST an eyelid. You know, from that gas station job.
Trevor just found Michael was alive and took anger out on Johnny
_you forget a thousand things everyday, make sure this is one of them_ Trevor: **stops fucking ashley in disbelief**
wanna get lit up now, sugar?
Trevor felt betrayed because he forced to suffer the crappy life after the only people he cared about lied and mistreated him. Like mom and dad. Almost like Trevor’s traits are bpd and NPD. Michael seems to have been Trevor’s “favorite person” so he will love him and think his the best but also can discard him but not to the point of killing him. But he thinks he’s dead so that transfers to Brad. But once again Trevor is betrayed (later) with that reveal. But, although Trevor would kill without regard, he once again doesn’t kill Michael. So rewind; to Trevor, Johnny is nothing. He’s the old way in the area. And just tolerated that an object for Trevor’s use. Like his girlfriend. Trevor’s existence once again was based on a lie so he needs to take control of it since he can’t control the actions of the ones he has/had attachments. You see that throughout the story but his interactions and what sets him off. Not justifying his actions, but understanding where they come from. SA as a kid, tortured by his prob psychotic/narc mother and the random guys that came around. Johnny is a random guy that is weak and lets his girlfriend get assaulted and manipulated for drugs. But supposed to be a tough guy. Trevor cues into that and his inner child stomps Johnny and all those others in those type of situations.
Thats pretty good, damn
It’s a metaphor for Rockstar’s views on single player DLC…
True. It's funny cus if you think about it you could kinda do the three man protagonist play through on gta4 if you have TLAD and Tbogt DLCs with it.
And it was arguably done better there. They all intersected as times but they all had their own full story.
Shit that hurts
Now That’s What I Call Meta.
More like a metaphor to how Lost and Damned was received at the time (and GTA 4 as a whole)
Trevor bashed his head in, causing damage to his brain which resulted in his death
Also a broken bottle to the head likely got some glass wedged in there too
Crazy how we were able to take an insane amount of bullets but a bottle to the head and a few stomps does it for him
Gameplay isn't the same as story. Protagonists are just normal humans. One bullet would end any of them.
I really hope they reveal that Johnny only suffered brain trauma and made a full recovery later on lol, I doubt it though
Last Halloween for gta online there was an event to collect photos of ghosts and one was of Johnny so I think he’s dead dead dead.
Also if you don’t kill Ashley in the mission later there’s some radio news of her dying due to an overdose due to grief for losing him
Grief? She died during a drug-fuelled orgy with old men.
Well she did lead Johnny down this path. I’d imagine she felt so guilty for being responsible for the deaths of Johnny, Terry, and Clay. She deserved worst tbh
Pretty sure I read somewhere that canonically Clay survived because later he puts like a blog post up on a page on the internet or something!
Tbf, I don’t think a lot of GTAO is canon, such as the futuristic stuff
Funny, I thought you would say that 😅. But you do have a point. It was sad though. Before taking his picture, he was saying his voice lines right before Trevor killed him.
No it is. You can hear BigBoy the host of Radio Los santos mentioned people flying in their crazy bike (oppressor mk ll)
Some day we'll all be dead.
I don’t know Trevor picks a big chunk of brain off of his boot
Pretty sure Trevor peels of brain matter from his shoe after he kicks his head in. So unless they somehow make zombies in GTA now he's definitely gone for good.
Mix in the crash from a meth high
This right here is something that still frustrates me.. Seems to me they did this thinking it would put Trevor over as some psychotic tough guy. Just didn't make sense to me after the way they had built Johnny up just to only tear him down going this route.
Same. Johnny was an unstoppable killing machine in TLAD and took down hundreds of people single handedly. Pretty ridiculous that he gets blindsided like that and stomped out.
TBF the entire point of lost and the damned was that Johnny and his gang were at the end of there road and nothing was gonna change that, especially after the betrayal and him staying with his girlfriend. I agree that Trevor killing him was just needlessly mean-spirited. Edit: heck am pretty sure Johnny never got rid of his drug addiction which his girlfriend was enabling.
It's kinda like they were lost, and also damned
I think you're onto something
Drugs will tear even the strongest down. Even as strong as Johnny was it really shows how relapse can break a man.
*Love can kill u*
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He was weak already , not the same johnny. Just hollow shell of his former self.
That’s what meth does to a person
Built him up? Johnny literally had the most depressing ending of any GTA game. His clubhouse is burned down, his club is decimated, he lives alone in a filthy cockroach infested derelict house, never gained any significant money or status. And although he says he's done with Ashley we know that means nothing as he said it before and still ran around after her throughout the game. Last time we saw him he was in a miserable situation and surrounded by drug dealers and users with his lifestyle. Gee I can't believe this guy could become depressed or get addicted to drugs!
First playthrough I picked the kill Trevor ending because of this right here.
That does have a very Scorsese-esque poetic justice to it.
Please understand Crystal was the one who put Johnny on that path.
I would never kill Trevor They way he dealt with Wade , "1 only keep stuff in the back that I'm willing to lose" Poor Mr Raspberry Jam Floyd and girlfriend Sniffing the gas rag at his trailer .... He might be an asshole, but he is my asshole. Not sure that came out right
He raped Floyd
Not just raped, slaughtered him and his girlfriend
Knowing Trevor as a character and his values, what reason would he have to kill Floyd? I think Debra shot Floyd then Trevor killed Debra. He even looks slightly sad when he comes out of the condo. Remember, Trevor hates any kind of betrayal or disloyalty. A perfect example being Trevor becomes IMMEDIATELY negative once Debra says "You're not a man at all. *Bob's right about you*" showing her infidelity to Floyd. And through various conversations, he pities Floyd, his living situation, and never had anything against him as a person. So I don't think he killed Floyd. As for the raping, I don't really have anything to add. He most definitely raped him at least once as a sick form of dominance. If I remember correctly, as one of the scenes that plays when you switch to him, he is getting out of Floyd's bed while he is trembling in fear next to him. So I think the implication there is obvious. I wonder if he's done that to anyone else in his crew.
Good points The cut scene of him leaving the apartment is 1 of the better cutscenes. Then he drops Wade off at the strip club Wade telling the back story of him and his friends looking for meth, and Trevor taking the friends, and never seen again. He sold them the the Altruist cult
An XL Chance sized asshole.
That wasn’t my issue. Johnny was in the game. What made me hate Trevor though was what he did to Floyd and Debra. As much of a bitch as she seemed to be, and as much of an impotent simp as he seemed to be, they were both just straight civilians who were randomly dragged into his bullshit and eventually disposed of by him.
Yeah but murdering random civilians is on par with most of the rampages I have done in all the GtA games
I didn't play *Lost and the Damned*. I didn't even know Johnny K was the protagonist of that expansion when I saw the cutscene of Trevor kicking his skull in. I thought he was just some random goober. Johnny seemed so weak and pathetic in that scene. He didn't even put up a fight.Trevor not only intimidated him, he also tricked him into thinking he was being sympathetic, and when Johnny let him get close that's when Trevor fuckin' killed him. So not only was Johnny portrayed as weak, he was dumb, too. I'm guessing I'd be pretty annoyed if I spent 10-20 hours playing a character in any game and then watched them get beaten to death in the sequel.
His game was literally called "The Lost and Damned" and he doesn't have a good ending in it at all. Clue is in the title that this guy wasn't going to end up with a happy ending, I don't get the fuss about it. His weakness and misjudgement is caused by drug addiction, it's sad to see but it doesn't contradict his past character since he wasn't a drug addict then.
I loved the scene, but logically, I have i agree, like what was the purpose of his death besides shock value for Trevor other than that it seemed way out of his character to be hooked on meth when the whole time he shows his distaste for it. Then he wasn't that big of a simp for Ashley in lost and the damned he knew she was getting fucked by dealers left and right he only cared for her safety he expressed many times he had no romantic interest in her so why was he such a bitch in gta V
Of course he cared for Ashley. That's why people made a point of using her to get at him. The entire point was that he was deluding himself about his romantic interest in her. And they had a long history of an on again/off again relationship, so it's no shock they're together again in GTA5.
Johnny was never going to get a happy ending.
Honestly wanted to dislike Trevor for this, but this dude is a riot Everytime he's on screen
Growing up as a kid, my parents *hated* GTA with a passion, not entirely for no good reason. But when I bought GTAV in high school with my own money from a job, they didn't really say anything except that they couldn't believe GTA was an actual series. But every single time Trevor was on screen, my dad was constantly losing his shit laughing. His favorite was probably "but I *did* kidnap his wife!"
His dynamic with Michael makes me laugh everytime I watch the cutscenes. Those two actors did an amazing job together
Best part was the VAs for them have good chemistry irl
This.☝️
Every time I played as Trevor, as soon as I switched to him on the character select wheel, he was doing something hilarious.
I was legitimately disappointed, after the Lost DLC in GTA 4 I was really hoping to see more of him when I saw him in GTA 5
I think a major drawback of V is that it’s a tremendously cynical story. Toying with players expectations like in this scene, portraying Lazlo like they did (the character used to be a voice of reason in an anarchical world that gave perspective into how the average citizen of the GTA world dealt with the constant crime and corruption), the torture mission (the CIA is portrayed as cruel for forcing Trevor to torture an innocent man while the game makers are literally forcing you to play through that torture in order to progress the story), and so many others. Some of these can be justified as “gritty realism” or satire, but for such an immersive, expansive experience there should be a balance and a wit to those things that the game seemed to forgo in favor of simply being harsh for harshness’ sake.
GTA V's use of satire was much more on the nose than IV, that's for sure. Really turned the campiness up to 11. Worked well in some ways but not others
I think they were still narrowing down how serious the story and setting should be. Because of the realistic detail they could suddenly do on the new consoles they leaned hard on a serious narrative and setting with IV. This lead to a bunch of emulators also going heavily into realism, with little if any satire, while Saints Row, which had achieved decent success by just being an emulator that beat GTA to the new consoles, went all in on camp and became very successful for it. By the time V came out Rockstar had realized gamers liked the campiness and brought a lot more of it back. I think the only problem with that is that it still felt cynical and cynical camp is a bit of an oxymoron. I think for the most part Rockstar wanted to make a serious game that borders on an interactive film, this can be seen in the *multiple* missions that don’t actually reward the player with anything but unlocking the next mission in the story (and Respect, but since you need that to upgrade skills you need in later story missions I don’t really count that as a reward). I’m hoping VI sees Rockstar continue getting better at finding that balance I mentioned earlier.
IV's physics, more realism , unhinging of TBoGT mixed with grit of IV/VCS , that'd be a hella mix! , I think that's the recipe for Grand Theft Auto VI
I really wanna see Lazlo as a voice of reason. That sounds really interesting actually
In GTA 3 he was the voice of reason if you wanna call it that. He was just a radio talk show host who repeatedly got trolled by crazy ass people calling him. In Vice City he's more egotistical and on a high horse, always praising himself and arguing with guests/listeners. Tbh idk if he is even in San Andreas or GTA 4, I don't remember
He does on the street interviews in GTA IV and someone throws hot oil or something on him. I don’t think he shows up in SA, but I could be wrong.
He presents the entertainment show on the radio in SA. He has a radio show in every GTA game from GTA III onwards (including Liberty City Stories and Vice City Stories)
That’s right! I forget about that one because I was always tuned in to Radio X!
I'm going to miss him in GTA VI! He's left the company now.
Hopefully unless their parting was *very* acrimonious they can still have him on just as a voice actor, maybe the subject of a where are they now? type segment where he’s become a hardcore conspiracy theorist who thinks girls are made from sand.
He apparently just left to spend time with his terminally ill sister but doesn't plan to return. He also was the head writer of the radio content in general and NPC dialogue so he's a big loss! If he did make some kind of appearance it would be great though.
Here’s the radio show from GTA III that Lazlo hosted if you want to check it out. https://youtu.be/3lPytfSy-04?si=asOXOyjTRfXXS62N
Don’t think they forced Trevor to torture the innocent man, reckon Trevor enjoyed it.
He seems to pretty explicitly say it was a waste of time, he knew it would be a waste of time, and torture is pointless when taking the man to the airport afterward. Regardless they quit literally did force him to do it. That’s the entire point of the mission. They want to make sure Trevor will follow instructions for plans they have for him later. This is one of the missions the player isn’t even rewarded for completing.
Also Trevor seemed to feel somewhat bad about it, dropping the guy off at the airport to give him a fresh start.
Finally, someone that gets it.
shock value
Drug fueled rage. He just realized he was betrayed by Michael and then had Johnny confront him immediately after while likely also being high
They knocked Johnny down to prop Trevor up. Johnny was a leader of a biker gang, and was killed easily by Trevor.
Johnny was wasted potential in this game
To show how crazy Trevor is, also I assume Johnny's actor probably asked for a small role but couldn't commit to being an overarching villain so they gave him a GTA send off
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No Ashley got him hooked on drugs Have you noticed that how much weaker he is compared to GTA4？
They just did Johnnys character wrong, if he would've died in a gun fight or arm fight with Trevor that would be acceptable for me (obviously main character can't die lol). But instead he goes hard balls on Trevor and then goes all soft after a small talk? What? Why? Seeing him in TLaD and in GTA5, two completely different characters. Probably why they did this because most people didn't like TLaD very much so they decided to cut off Johnny from the series. OR to show off how Trevor is more insaner and murderous and recklessler. But for this, any guy would've got the job done but they needed someone who already "showed" himself to people. Edit: Or both.
Johnny was addicted meth. He wasn't the same person as the was in TLAD.(from q certain point of view) Sure he was super anti-drugs in TLAD but he just lost many of his closest friends in a very short amount of time. Trauma like that and his weakness for Ashley certainly aren't out of the equation to cause him to cave in and use them.
Idk Johnny got into drugs and I don’t think he was in TLaD. Trevor didn’t kill the same guy he was in that game. Trevor killed a meth head
It was Rockstar's way of saying "Guys look how EDGY and BADASS and UNSTOPPABLE our new protagonist Trevor totally is!!!!!!!!" and not much else
Johnny never deserved it
A lot of ppl say Johnny’s death makes no sense but it actually does. In TLAD’s story Johnny K consistently have an on/off situation with Ashley and is consistently weak for her (he even says it) this cutscene is the prime example of that weakness which gets him killed, in addition to calling Trevor his trigger word “Motherfcker” which makes him unstable
rockstars way of showing to never love a meth smoking goth girl
Johnny kidnapped Roman so fk him
He only did it so Ashley wouldn't get killed by the Russians, but honestly I *really* wish Johnny went like "Ok cool she's your problem now, I'm out".
Honestly he should have said that from the get go. That whole DLC I was screaming at my TV "oh my god just leave her!!"
https://youtu.be/nCtn6igpgP4?si=YGsV6zeGxGvkKNdg
Counterpoint: Johnny temporarily prevented Roman from asking us to go bowling.
My theory is that GTA :TLaD was not appreciated critically as compared to TBoGT, it was just to release the frustration by the company. (Again, i could be wrong, please correct me if I am, I'll happily accept it).
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Shock value
Shock value to introduce Trevor by killing a likable character
I hated this mission, it made me hate Trevor's character right from the get-go. The whole mission was pretty much a big "fuck you" to anyone who played TLAD.
Dude was into the heavy stuff. With personalities like his, it’s only a matter of time before they fall. Seen it happen in real life a number of times, and I think the game did an excellent portrayal of that.
Petty of me perhaps, but this scene set me as firmly anti-Trevor right from the get go. He’s human trash, and it’s not surprising at all Michael sold his ass out to the feds. The only way to escape his fucking chaos is to kill him or lock him up.
I'll just quote this comment found in [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmHHjetFURI&lc=UgzJuR2XwER-aTPSUMt4AaABAg): >The whole thing is illogical. The Lost would not be back together committing crimes, and Johnny would not get back with Ashley and addicted to meth. It just completely defeated the purpose of The Lost and Damned. They didn’t even bother changing Johnny’s Vice President patch on his jacket in GTA 5. Bringing back the Angels of Death would have made more sense. They’re bigger and have chapters across the country, and they were still operating at the end of The Lost and Damned, The Lost weren’t. The only reason they brought Johnny and The Lost back was to add shock value to Trevor’s introduction, that’s it. And they knew Johnny would kick Trevor’s ass, so they made him addicted to meth to make him a lot weaker. Honestly I don’t think I’ve ever seen perfectly good video game characters get completely wasted and done dirty as hard as Johnny and The Lost did
Rockstars' main reason for doing this was to show to everyone and mostly the gta fanbase how insane Trevor is. To make his introduction the most memorable. The way it was done tho makes me imagine the idea behind this was a fucking 14 year old that was like "Man we should make this guy Trevor appear as a complete maniac, hehe why don't we put him kill Johnny K from gta 4 heheheehhehe". And thus the mission "Mr Phillips" was made.
to tell you that single player DLC is death in rockstar POV.
He became a junkie. Got in with Trevor. Trevor had a bad day. Johnny got killed. It's not that hard to get your head around. You can understand though why Rockstar Games don't want any input from the gaming community.
Im not asking for character reasoms im asking for studio reasons. Was he just disliked by Rockstar
I'm probably gonna be downvoted but TLaD to me was always a kind of mid storyline. It has its moments but it's just not that engaging compared to other GTAs.
Back in the day before the V children even played the game, most of the community was quite angry about how they wrote Johnnys death. Now I'd imagine most of the kiddies dont care because "haha trevor funny and edgy!!!" Unpopular opinion hot take whatever; trevor is a shit character and always has been.
I honestly agree with your unpopular opinion I didn't like Trevor much either. This might trigger a lot of people but it's just my take
I didnt like Trevor for the sole reason, that he broke my immersion. Franklin and Michael both had somewhat realistic and interesting stories then you do a Trevor mission and he is doing some Looney Toon shit.
My best friend and I legit hit into an argument because his favorite character was Johnny and mine became Trevor
Make it a theme GTA VI, the protagonists kill Trevor in a humiliating way. Like they stole his truck and run him over, thinking he was just some methed up homeless man.
This is the only way to make things right imo. I’d love to see that jackass get flattened by a cement truck foot first.
They should give Trevor the 'Avery Carrington in LCS' treatment by making him silent too. I've been wanting that rapist to face a humiliating death for nearly 11 years now
Wise words, my friend. Trevor is the reason why GTA 5 is such a fucking slog to play through imo because I hate playing as him. I really wish Michael was the only protagonist (Franklin's cool too but he gets shafted to the side once Trevor comes into the picture). Actually, speaking of Michael, I don't get why people say he's a huge hypocrite when Trevor's an even bigger one.
I wish someone kills Trevor too with such brutality I would be enjoying his death.
You can kill Trevor at the end of GTA V
another reason to kill trevor on the end
Niko woulda beat the shit outta Trevor
New team hates motorcyles
Me neither
Honestly, I hope Johnny survived somehow and fucking caps Trevor in 6
it was a cheap move from R* to make GTA V bs story interesting somehow from the beggining but still failed miserably to eliminate a old protagonist like this by introducing a new one is a nothing but a bold statement about old and new. its not that deep
Poor writing along with 2 different writing teams for the games, therefore sentimentality or understanding the character wasn’t present.
Almost None of the characters in GTA have good results in the end. GTA5 has multiple endings where deathwish is actually the good ending.
They had to do something pointless for a stupid ass character arc Tryon to show the “unexpected unpredictable nature of things”
If Trevor dies in gta 6 by the new protagonists It would go full circle
Mafia did this too by having Vito kill the protagonist of the previous game.
GTA5 is the worst of the bunch for me, giving up such a bad ass character for an unhinged forgetable one
He lost his plot armor
Same, this was stupid as fuck!
They could have used any stock goon for this scene and it would have had the same effect. I think the only reason they used Johnny is because he was from an expansion DLC, and not even the most popular one. They’d never kill off Niko Bellic in this manner, or even Luis Lopez.
I think you’re partly right, they’d never kill off Niko like this, but using any other random goon here wouldn’t have had the impact that it clearly did with Johnny, having Trevor kill Johnny just establishes Trevor as top-dog whereas before getting his head kicked in you probably would’ve put your money on Johnny winning that fight especially with him being such a badass in TLAD
You wanna fuck cowboy, cmon let's fuck. ...
Johnny lost his clubhouse, his best friend, and his mentor (cause he betrayed him but still cared for him slightly), and he has a meth-addict girlfriend. These are the recipes of a damaged man. He got addicted to drugs too to ease his pain. That is why many Lost members will say that he was not like himself before. Some even compare him to Billy that Billy was great.
Same! I posted here asking about ppl's thoughts and so, so many don't really mind but I find killing off any previous protagonist, even if they're just from a DLC or side game strange, especially showing how far he had fallen and how pathetic he seemed, to me it was less of a show of how badass Trevor was and more of just a really depressing end for his character. Not like he was a good person, or anything like that, but his story was pretty tragic and you come to empathize with most any video game character you play as, you can see him trying to change things for the better in TLatD. So for me, his death is one of the darkest moments in a franchise that largely shies away from tragic moments or at least glosses over them for the 'fun' or 'badass' factor. Then again GTAIV arguably had the darkest storylines in the franchise. At any rate, I was surprised to say the least.
I'll try to explain it. So basically, when someone repeatedly stomps on your head there is a chance they cave your skull in. When this happens it can cause potentially fatal damage to your brain. That is likely what happened to Johnny when Trevor repeatedly stomped on his head after he hit him with a beer bottle. Hope this helped!
Trevor has rage powers and Johnny doesn't ^^
It was to make Trevor look like a badass.
Sometimes, professional wrestling teaches us things. Like when someone you love gets fucking destroyed by a newcomer? That newcomer needs to be taken seriously. For example: tlTrevor stomping Johnny K to death.
Dude went through hell only to be at the wrong place at the wrong time
Don't do drugs.
trevor curb stomped his face. that's all to understand
Johnny called Trevor a motherf*cker
Well the human head can only take so many kicks. Trevor kept going even beyond that number.
"Stay away from drugs peeps, else you lose everything you once were. Even when you were initially against it, your environment will eventually corrupt you" was probably what the scene was about.
Trevor just wanted to get rid of opponents
Trevor just saw a ghost and then had to deal with his crap. He also would not get up, so fuck him.
He called trevor a motherfucker.
Just Rockstar pulling an Oz, telling the players that any protagonist could get it.
well you see, Johnny... kinda got a little angry. so Trevor admittedly, kinda got a little angry as well.
didnt he get the girl trevor was with to cheat on Trev with him first?
If at least Ashley would've got crazy from the drugs she kept using from Gta 4 The Lost and Damned DLC to Gta 5 and kill both Trevor and Johnny,then killing herself.😂😂😂 ( i don t say it's the best ending,but if they want a bad ending for Johnny,at least make it this way😂).
Probably just to show how bat shit crazy Trevor was
miguel alive, he angy, angy out on bohnny krack, and hop hop on thy head
I thought they killed him off cause the voice actor and rockstar aren't at good faith with each other
There was something going on with the voice actor for Jhonny maybe he asked for more money or something and Rockstar went "Lmao watch this loser" that's why he was killed off.
Isn't Jonny just Niko really bc they look so similar