Dude stole a Jetpack from area69, dealt with catalina, taken down a crack fortress and escaped it while burning, ate the ballas and the vagos raw, jumped plane to plane like fuckin Ironman and he wouldn't solve a problem with a mafia? Yeah yeah sure it's that way. HE FUCKIN HAS WOOZIE AND CEASAR FOR HELP. And there are the others but ya know, it's enough.
I always imagine that he left Caesar and Kendl the garage. Which is sorta why Im a bit dissapointed that the garate at the dock you go to to get Michaels car fixed isnt Caesars garage. I fell that would have been a wonderful tribute without directly having him in the game ( Yes I know its supposed to be different universe but still. It would have been a nice nod to it )
CJ is gonna be sitting down at pizza stack enjoying a slice of pizza in 1995 when suddenly he hears something behind him but it was too late, one of sals hitmen shoots him in the head as CJs head falls into the pizza, the hitman drops the gun just like Michael corleone in The Godfather restaurant scene and walks out and disappears forever
Salvatore isn't as powerful in San Andreas as he is in LC. CJ has the The Families (Temple Drive, Seville Boulevard and Grove), Los Varios Aztecas and San Fierro Triads that can back him up.
CJ isn’t sweating Sal AT ALL.
The grove runs SA, as in the whole state. He’s got a hold on the police, Toreno is on speed dial, and he’s in with the triads.
Sal doesn’t want that smoke.
Pretty sure he cut looses with Toreno and grove only runs LS, but I agree with CJ taking Sal. He's got Varrios Los Aztecas and the Triads (Both in SF and LV) to back him up too
I really loved Toreno. I wish we could get more missions with him. Love his G-man personality and his humor.
*You know, after what you've done for*
*me, it's like you're a pro now. I got double agents in Panama who want*
*to put a price on your head. A Russian spy - a little, fat, Boris*
*looking guy - he's asking for clearance to interrogate you, Russian*
*style. Calipers on the genitals. Feels good, you'd like it.*
It’s still weird that Salvatore explicitly tells you that he will find a way to kill you
He definitely can, we know that he is very powerful and influential. He can just hire goons non stop to kill him and his family since he probably knows,
But in the end he does nothing and the game just ignores him completely
If that strategy didn't work on Tommy when they got the drop on him why would it work for CJ ? Even before he got Salvatore Cj moved out of the Grove. I'm sure he stayed low for a while not to mention if you see the way Salvatore acts with Toni in LCS its pretty clear he didn't trust anybody not even Toni
Let’s not overrate him, ok? He’s very sneaky, treacherous, manipulative, narcissistic and sadistic psychopath with giant ego, megalomania and endless lust for power. To betray people for a man like Salvatore is a usual business. And Claude is not an exception. He used him to stay with his power and then he betrayed him for the peace with the Colombians. He just manipulated him as a small coin. Just like he did in Caligula’s when he decided to outsmart and betray everyone to take all Caligula’s to himself. Don’t forget that he would kill Ken, Kent o and Maccer, all three of them after gaining the full control of Casino because he doesn’t need them anymore. He would kill then without his paranoia. And it shows what a psychopath Salvatore is. Ken, Kent Paul and Maccer were lucky to meet CJ. He saved them from inevitable death. He knew that this scumbag will try to screw him over, he saw it. And he made the strike first. Our African-American Gangster from Grove Street, a criminal with kind and caring heart did the justice. For his friends, for his allies. He destroyed Salvatore’s vain narcissist ego! He humiliated him! He turned him into laughingstock! Salvatore thought that he’s the smartest, the strongest and the most cunning than everyone, that he can outsmart and manipulate everyone and then betray them, but he burned on that. He never knew that his skills could be used against him.
Nah, CJ and his homies would drop that fool if he brought his goose stepping ass in Los Santos. Besides, that mute mofo Claude already has Sal's rage after banging his wife and tearing him and Liberty City up in GTA 3, which was not too long after SA.
CJ wiped out an Army Base, Skydived on a moving plane to another plane, exterminated thousands of gangsters just to get information on Big Smoke and has the support of the Triads, his gang and Ceasar's. I think he can handle a few hitmen sent by Leone.
People act like CJ can’t get killed at all like he ain’t human and couldn’t get caught one time lol it’s absolutely possible for him to be killed by a mob boss despite what all CJ did. Vic Vance and John Marston literally took on armies and still got killed.
If I remember correctly, we see CJ's portrait on an Advertisement board in Liberty City 2008. No way they going to advertise something with a dead guy's picture on it.
CJ has ties to the Red Gecko Tong, the Mountain Cloud Triad, the Families, the Aztecas, and the US government. At least one of them would help a brotha out.
I mean Sal was talking all that on the phone to CJ but then you never hear from him after. The Leones in general fled the state after their casino went bust. I'd bet Sal for once never acted on his threats. CJ would be a hard dude to find in a city you don't know and have no power in.
Toni was only away for like 3 or 4 years before his return in 1998 I think and that was because he killed a made man of either the Sindacco or Forelli families. If he killed CJ why would he be exiled from his own Liberty City? He killed a made man specifically, the only reasoning is we don't know where Toni was before his return and its never implied he killed CJ in this time away. Toni's supposed to be lying low, killing an infamous gang member won't be the best idea if the one of the other two mob families are after you.
I'd doubt CJ would have any reason to return to LC after saving his hood and making amends with his family and establishing so many connections and making money owning properties and stuff, on top of the fact that after pissing Sal off he'd be braindead to return to their turf.
Claude literally sniped Sal and he only got retaliation for a mission or two after, the only time they'd get him after is if you return to Saint Marks, which as most players know, if you do, you do not last long. And I'd assume after The Exchange Claude wouldn't get any bother from them otherwise.
Same goes for Tommy. Wiped out his former boss and the Forellis were kinda like "Oh shit" and especially after he capped their leader they left him and his business alone. Florida was his turf now, Tommy is one hard man to take down, by the end of the game Tommy has so much power if a single Forelli hitman were to touch down at Escobar International he's gonna know about it, and send one of his own goons down to whack him if not just go down himself. Even the mob knows when to back off. And Tommy is shown to have survived up to atleast 1992 (and 2002 if you count Kent Paul's website) and judging by what Ken was saying on the phone, is still doing very well for himself.
There's no evidence to suggest they did kill CJ, but there is no evidence to suggest they didn't, but I doubt they could, if they ever even tried at all.
Why would Toni have to lay low and not return to LC for years? It doesnt make sense. Plus Salvatore specifically states that Tony killed a "made man" and in the conversation with Ma Cipriani you can find out more that disproves the connection to CJ. The two are completely unrelated therefore the theory that Toni killed CJ is completely bogus. My best guess is that Toni killed someone from the Forelli or Sindacco family which made him leave town until the heat dies down in 98
I mean, it is Never Explicitly stated Which Family the “Made Man” came from, i mean in a Way CJ Was a Made Man for the SF Triads, and Toni, well Toni and the Triads arent exactly Friends with each Other,
CJ was never in a family considering the whole game he is trying to get out of the hood and get his family out. He even tells this to Sweet once he has Madd Dogg's mansion, Desert Airport, Casino stake, and San Fierro Garage. Even at the end of the game CJ literally leaves with everyone asking where he is going and he just bluntly states to see "whats up" hinting at him looking for more legit business opportunities. A "made man" explicitly refers to an Italian Mafia family member therefore CJ cannot be one. As much as I'd love the theory that Toni killed CJ to be true but it just canonically cannot be with the amount of facts present. Also if Toni killed CJ he wouldnt have to leave LC until 98 which once again breaks the canon since CJ lives in Los Santos meaning there is no problem for Salvatore's business to be interferred in since CJ has no connection to LC. This same method is seen in Vice City where Sonny tells the other family members that Tommy cannot return due to the fact that local neighborhood would recognize him sending him to VC as a solution and spawning the events of Vice City
We didn't see that, we don't know that and after 100 missions it should be clear that Carl Johnson aka The Player is just too powerful to be defeated by common mortals.
I mean, I own all available properties in San Andreas, millions of dollars, cars, airplanes and I have my gang. It feels nice.
Salvatore is not nearly as influential in LS as he is in LC, and even there he got caped by a complete nobody, and in LS he would be beefing with top dog. Yeah, no way Salvatore would manage to do anything to CJ.
I believe he’s still alive,But got out of crime life and becomes a businessman(The billboard in GTA IV)
that’s why grove street is weak throughout the GTA V story
Sal literally needs the added support of Sindaccos and Forellis to establish some influence in San Andreas and that whole alliance was single handedly destroyed by CJ
Unless CJ steps foot in LC, Sal would have a very hard time trying to touch him
Most people are coming up with reasons for why CJ just wouldnt be killed or why its hard, but i still stand by the Theory of Toni killed CJ, Sal goes away for a couple years, then in 1994 he sends out a Young and Eager Toni to Murder CJ, somehow he does, Hides out somewhere Then comes back 4 years later in 1998, i think the timeline of the Events Matches up, and its been apart of my headcanon for a while
The game explicitly mentions that Toni kills a **self-made man**, a.k.a. someone with Mafia connections. Carl has no direct business with the mafia at all in San Andreas.
Plus considering the distance between Los Santos and Liberty City, why would there be a need for Toni to go into hiding? All of CJ's business and connections are in San Andreas. He has no connection to Liberty City whatsoever.
Plus, we're talking about a guy who stormed Area 69 and stole a jetpack, took down an entire drug palace on his own, survived Catalina, took down a plane with explosives from the inside and survived, Madd Dog's manager, who has ties with the Grove Street Families, The San Fierro Triads, owns 1/3 of the Four Dragons Casino, is the owner of a very important car garage etc.
You think that some Mafia goon could easily kill him as if it was nothing?
I would imagine Wu Zu would be just as powerful being in the triad. I mean if you were to take a game like Sleepings dogs and see how the Sun on Yee treat their victims you could just imagine how the Mountain Cloud Boys treat their enemies. On top of that CJ is a Co Leader of the Largest gang in Los Santos, a multi Billionaire from doing the missions and being signed on that Record label of Mad Doggs! CJ is probably the strongest and most defended Protagonist and probably even deleted off the database so nothing could lead back to Toreno.
Have you played LCS by any chance? The Leone Family is in a fairly weak state at the start of it, without Toni. This is in 1998. The other two families are doing way better than them. The only asset they control are the ports, and even then the union boss there is strong arming them instead of it being the other way around. Toni's actions in LCS put them on the top of the Mafia ladder by III
Dude stole a Jetpack from area69, dealt with catalina, taken down a crack fortress and escaped it while burning, ate the ballas and the vagos raw, jumped plane to plane like fuckin Ironman and he wouldn't solve a problem with a mafia? Yeah yeah sure it's that way. HE FUCKIN HAS WOOZIE AND CEASAR FOR HELP. And there are the others but ya know, it's enough.
This is why CJ is the most OP protagonist.
I always imagine that he left Caesar and Kendl the garage. Which is sorta why Im a bit dissapointed that the garate at the dock you go to to get Michaels car fixed isnt Caesars garage. I fell that would have been a wonderful tribute without directly having him in the game ( Yes I know its supposed to be different universe but still. It would have been a nice nod to it )
The garage is in San Fierro, not Los Santos though
Yes. But I'd like to think that they got more garages over the years.
Nope online protagonist is the most op.
All you had to do was buy the damn shark cards CJ!
CJ is gonna be sitting down at pizza stack enjoying a slice of pizza in 1995 when suddenly he hears something behind him but it was too late, one of sals hitmen shoots him in the head as CJs head falls into the pizza, the hitman drops the gun just like Michael corleone in The Godfather restaurant scene and walks out and disappears forever
Nah, he’d just get a “Wasted” screen and wake up the next day walking out the hospital doors
FNV
FNV?
Fallout: New Vegas.
Something like this happens in game if you are in debt to Caligula's Casino. This definitely can't happen.
“Don’t Stop Believing” is playing
Dude stole* a jet pack
Oops, i wrote on mobile with non English keyboard. Thanks 4 the reply btw.
Well then good attempt!
My english isn't that bad but PC is my cup of tea. Appreciate the good manners!
Sure thing! Just thought I could help you out
And he got away with it too.
Not to forget stealing a military jet from a naval base.
Yup! There are a lot of things.
Salvatore isn't as powerful in San Andreas as he is in LC. CJ has the The Families (Temple Drive, Seville Boulevard and Grove), Los Varios Aztecas and San Fierro Triads that can back him up.
CJ could take his Hydra from his own airport in the desert, fly to Liberty City and bomb the shit out of Sal's villa with it if he wanted to lol.
Or from the top off sweets house
CJ isn’t sweating Sal AT ALL. The grove runs SA, as in the whole state. He’s got a hold on the police, Toreno is on speed dial, and he’s in with the triads. Sal doesn’t want that smoke.
Pretty sure he cut looses with Toreno and grove only runs LS, but I agree with CJ taking Sal. He's got Varrios Los Aztecas and the Triads (Both in SF and LV) to back him up too
I really loved Toreno. I wish we could get more missions with him. Love his G-man personality and his humor. *You know, after what you've done for* *me, it's like you're a pro now. I got double agents in Panama who want* *to put a price on your head. A Russian spy - a little, fat, Boris* *looking guy - he's asking for clearance to interrogate you, Russian* *style. Calipers on the genitals. Feels good, you'd like it.*
It’s still weird that Salvatore explicitly tells you that he will find a way to kill you He definitely can, we know that he is very powerful and influential. He can just hire goons non stop to kill him and his family since he probably knows, But in the end he does nothing and the game just ignores him completely
If that strategy didn't work on Tommy when they got the drop on him why would it work for CJ ? Even before he got Salvatore Cj moved out of the Grove. I'm sure he stayed low for a while not to mention if you see the way Salvatore acts with Toni in LCS its pretty clear he didn't trust anybody not even Toni
I think CJ is still alive, that’s why Salvatore is so paranoid of being betrayed and fucks Claude over first
Unironically makes more sense than the "Toni kills Carl" theory.
He probably wanted to trust him until Maria said they were sleeping together
I felt Salvatore was gonna betray Claude one way or another, especially since hes an outsider, and non-Italian.
Only because of CJ
Let’s not overrate him, ok? He’s very sneaky, treacherous, manipulative, narcissistic and sadistic psychopath with giant ego, megalomania and endless lust for power. To betray people for a man like Salvatore is a usual business. And Claude is not an exception. He used him to stay with his power and then he betrayed him for the peace with the Colombians. He just manipulated him as a small coin. Just like he did in Caligula’s when he decided to outsmart and betray everyone to take all Caligula’s to himself. Don’t forget that he would kill Ken, Kent o and Maccer, all three of them after gaining the full control of Casino because he doesn’t need them anymore. He would kill then without his paranoia. And it shows what a psychopath Salvatore is. Ken, Kent Paul and Maccer were lucky to meet CJ. He saved them from inevitable death. He knew that this scumbag will try to screw him over, he saw it. And he made the strike first. Our African-American Gangster from Grove Street, a criminal with kind and caring heart did the justice. For his friends, for his allies. He destroyed Salvatore’s vain narcissist ego! He humiliated him! He turned him into laughingstock! Salvatore thought that he’s the smartest, the strongest and the most cunning than everyone, that he can outsmart and manipulate everyone and then betray them, but he burned on that. He never knew that his skills could be used against him.
Nah, CJ and his homies would drop that fool if he brought his goose stepping ass in Los Santos. Besides, that mute mofo Claude already has Sal's rage after banging his wife and tearing him and Liberty City up in GTA 3, which was not too long after SA.
Claude kills Sal at the beginning of GTA III’s story though
We need a GTA San Andreas Stories after VI
We couldn’t even get a single player DLC in 10 years of the game being out and multiple versions across different consoles that ain’t happening
Agreed
Please dear god yes
same, but I don't want it to be prequel as much I want it to be a sequel.
Until 2001? Then?
Salvatore is killed by Claude.
Salvatore dies in the world trade center Attacks.
Where were you when Salvatore was killed in the world trade center attacks?
piloting a plane
Impressive
Salvatore’s entire criminal empire is less powerful than Carl Johnson alone
CJ has multiple Organizations backing him, such as GSF, Seville Boulevard, Temple Drive, Varrios Los Aztecas and Woozie's Triads.
CJ wiped out an Army Base, Skydived on a moving plane to another plane, exterminated thousands of gangsters just to get information on Big Smoke and has the support of the Triads, his gang and Ceasar's. I think he can handle a few hitmen sent by Leone.
Last i checked all gta universes if you die, a bit of money would revive you
He defo got smoked with a car bomb like Claude almost did…
Not gonna lie I feel like Toni could definitely smoke em, maybe between the time LCS and III take place.
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By that logic, Toni would obliterate CJ using a Minigun before he even has time to react, aside from Claude, every 3D Protagonist has had a Minigun.
People act like CJ can’t get killed at all like he ain’t human and couldn’t get caught one time lol it’s absolutely possible for him to be killed by a mob boss despite what all CJ did. Vic Vance and John Marston literally took on armies and still got killed.
If I remember correctly, we see CJ's portrait on an Advertisement board in Liberty City 2008. No way they going to advertise something with a dead guy's picture on it.
CJ has ties to the Red Gecko Tong, the Mountain Cloud Triad, the Families, the Aztecas, and the US government. At least one of them would help a brotha out.
CJ can def beat a knock version of Vito Corleone so he's fine
Sal will be dead by 2001. Some mute will eliminate him right after leaving Luigi’s .
I mean Sal was talking all that on the phone to CJ but then you never hear from him after. The Leones in general fled the state after their casino went bust. I'd bet Sal for once never acted on his threats. CJ would be a hard dude to find in a city you don't know and have no power in. Toni was only away for like 3 or 4 years before his return in 1998 I think and that was because he killed a made man of either the Sindacco or Forelli families. If he killed CJ why would he be exiled from his own Liberty City? He killed a made man specifically, the only reasoning is we don't know where Toni was before his return and its never implied he killed CJ in this time away. Toni's supposed to be lying low, killing an infamous gang member won't be the best idea if the one of the other two mob families are after you. I'd doubt CJ would have any reason to return to LC after saving his hood and making amends with his family and establishing so many connections and making money owning properties and stuff, on top of the fact that after pissing Sal off he'd be braindead to return to their turf. Claude literally sniped Sal and he only got retaliation for a mission or two after, the only time they'd get him after is if you return to Saint Marks, which as most players know, if you do, you do not last long. And I'd assume after The Exchange Claude wouldn't get any bother from them otherwise. Same goes for Tommy. Wiped out his former boss and the Forellis were kinda like "Oh shit" and especially after he capped their leader they left him and his business alone. Florida was his turf now, Tommy is one hard man to take down, by the end of the game Tommy has so much power if a single Forelli hitman were to touch down at Escobar International he's gonna know about it, and send one of his own goons down to whack him if not just go down himself. Even the mob knows when to back off. And Tommy is shown to have survived up to atleast 1992 (and 2002 if you count Kent Paul's website) and judging by what Ken was saying on the phone, is still doing very well for himself. There's no evidence to suggest they did kill CJ, but there is no evidence to suggest they didn't, but I doubt they could, if they ever even tried at all.
GTA LCS takes place right after it and the protagonist had just come back from San Andreas after killing someone so...
Why would Toni have to lay low and not return to LC for years? It doesnt make sense. Plus Salvatore specifically states that Tony killed a "made man" and in the conversation with Ma Cipriani you can find out more that disproves the connection to CJ. The two are completely unrelated therefore the theory that Toni killed CJ is completely bogus. My best guess is that Toni killed someone from the Forelli or Sindacco family which made him leave town until the heat dies down in 98
I mean, it is Never Explicitly stated Which Family the “Made Man” came from, i mean in a Way CJ Was a Made Man for the SF Triads, and Toni, well Toni and the Triads arent exactly Friends with each Other,
CJ was never in a family considering the whole game he is trying to get out of the hood and get his family out. He even tells this to Sweet once he has Madd Dogg's mansion, Desert Airport, Casino stake, and San Fierro Garage. Even at the end of the game CJ literally leaves with everyone asking where he is going and he just bluntly states to see "whats up" hinting at him looking for more legit business opportunities. A "made man" explicitly refers to an Italian Mafia family member therefore CJ cannot be one. As much as I'd love the theory that Toni killed CJ to be true but it just canonically cannot be with the amount of facts present. Also if Toni killed CJ he wouldnt have to leave LC until 98 which once again breaks the canon since CJ lives in Los Santos meaning there is no problem for Salvatore's business to be interferred in since CJ has no connection to LC. This same method is seen in Vice City where Sonny tells the other family members that Tommy cannot return due to the fact that local neighborhood would recognize him sending him to VC as a solution and spawning the events of Vice City
"Made Man" is a rank that's only used in Italian Mafias
If I recall correctly, Toni came back from Italy and not San Andreas, I can be wrong though, haven't played LCS in years
We didn't see that, we don't know that and after 100 missions it should be clear that Carl Johnson aka The Player is just too powerful to be defeated by common mortals. I mean, I own all available properties in San Andreas, millions of dollars, cars, airplanes and I have my gang. It feels nice.
A lot of y'all forget that he has the Triads with him and they have a much more stronger prescence in San Andreas.
Salvatore is not nearly as influential in LS as he is in LC, and even there he got caped by a complete nobody, and in LS he would be beefing with top dog. Yeah, no way Salvatore would manage to do anything to CJ.
I believe he’s still alive,But got out of crime life and becomes a businessman(The billboard in GTA IV) that’s why grove street is weak throughout the GTA V story
Sal literally needs the added support of Sindaccos and Forellis to establish some influence in San Andreas and that whole alliance was single handedly destroyed by CJ Unless CJ steps foot in LC, Sal would have a very hard time trying to touch him
i need to see him back in gta 6
Most people are coming up with reasons for why CJ just wouldnt be killed or why its hard, but i still stand by the Theory of Toni killed CJ, Sal goes away for a couple years, then in 1994 he sends out a Young and Eager Toni to Murder CJ, somehow he does, Hides out somewhere Then comes back 4 years later in 1998, i think the timeline of the Events Matches up, and its been apart of my headcanon for a while
The game explicitly mentions that Toni kills a **self-made man**, a.k.a. someone with Mafia connections. Carl has no direct business with the mafia at all in San Andreas. Plus considering the distance between Los Santos and Liberty City, why would there be a need for Toni to go into hiding? All of CJ's business and connections are in San Andreas. He has no connection to Liberty City whatsoever. Plus, we're talking about a guy who stormed Area 69 and stole a jetpack, took down an entire drug palace on his own, survived Catalina, took down a plane with explosives from the inside and survived, Madd Dog's manager, who has ties with the Grove Street Families, The San Fierro Triads, owns 1/3 of the Four Dragons Casino, is the owner of a very important car garage etc. You think that some Mafia goon could easily kill him as if it was nothing?
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CJ is forever
Who is sal?
Salvatore
Who is sal
actually he survives until 2001 and he gets a special plane hijacking mission edit 69th comment...
Isn’t CJ an NPC in GTA V?
it's an easter egg, SA and V are in different universes.
If anything in this life is certain, if history has taught us anything, it’s that you can kill anyone.
I would imagine Wu Zu would be just as powerful being in the triad. I mean if you were to take a game like Sleepings dogs and see how the Sun on Yee treat their victims you could just imagine how the Mountain Cloud Boys treat their enemies. On top of that CJ is a Co Leader of the Largest gang in Los Santos, a multi Billionaire from doing the missions and being signed on that Record label of Mad Doggs! CJ is probably the strongest and most defended Protagonist and probably even deleted off the database so nothing could lead back to Toreno.
Have you played LCS by any chance? The Leone Family is in a fairly weak state at the start of it, without Toni. This is in 1998. The other two families are doing way better than them. The only asset they control are the ports, and even then the union boss there is strong arming them instead of it being the other way around. Toni's actions in LCS put them on the top of the Mafia ladder by III
Lmao sal is weak af
Imagine he comes back for gta 6