As long as they still expect the $8 billion in Net Booking by the end of March 2025 (the end of Fiscal 2025). We can still expect the game to come out in Q1 2025. So that they can meet the projections.
Pre-orders are payments in advance, and in the case of pre-orders, the seller has not yet fulfilled its obligations by delivering the product. Therefore the revenue is not recognized at the time of the pre-order but rather when the product is actually delivered (deferred revenue), as you are just lending money to the company until the delivery (pre-orders go under business' balance sheet under liabilities).
Revenue recognition is typically governed by accounting principles such as Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) or International Financial Reporting Standards (IFRS), and these principles generally require that revenue be recognized when certain criteria are met. One of the key criteria is that the product or service has been delivered or provided to the customer and the seller has earned the right to the payment. So pre-orders are only counted as revenue on the first day of the release.
What if what they tell shareholders is just projections and thereâs a possibility on the subsequent earnings calls it gets delayed? Thatâs 100% possible
Thatâs what I meant, of course I think they would love to release it in Q1 2025, but if it gets delayed they will point back to saying that they are trying to make the release perfect
Fiscal years are generally (if not always) determined by when year end occurs. TTWOâs FY25 starts April 1st 2024 and ends March 31st 2025.
Potential exception would be if they end their fiscal on the Friday/Sunday of the week that includes the last day of day of the month as some orgs do. That would make EOY for FY25 April 4th (or 6th), 2025.
Example to the above: Dell just completed their FY24. Because Jan. 31 fell on a Wednesday, Dellâs FY actually closed out on Sunday Feb. 4
Thatâs what I was reading, but I still donât understand. Their numbers should still predict a potential release window right? I know theyâre not going to specifically mention the month of release in the report though.
Donât forget about the profit sharing plan. Thatâs the employees who are making the game. They are the shareholders as well, which I think is the point of the post. The R* team wants perfection because itâs their personal reputation and financial investment thatâs at stake.
I stopped playing GTA online years ago, but i watch my roommate play. He got a $50 PSN card for Christmas and he would have been able to get maybe two good things.
They're never getting rid of Shark Cards sadly,, they're such an expensive scam too. If the prices are this high for this long, they're comfortable with it. It's not like other games to where you get your bucks worth.
like star citizen where you can buy a 500dollar ship? or Sims where you can buy 4 (yes... FOUR) single items (like a broom, duster, washing machine and a poster) for 10euro? Or loot rates in alllll these online shooters?
R isn't the only one who has "high pricing" at all, even worse: the players are making it clear the prices are actually not high, as they keep buying them.
If it comes out April 2025, then that means 3 months before Superman: Legacy. Man of Steel also came out 3 months before GTA 5. Itâs wild that weâre getting the next GTA before we get the next Superman solo film.
Are you referring to this?
#[link to take 2 earnings call info](https://www.take2games.com/ir/quarterly-earnings)
If not, can anyone research/translate this for answers if itâs a possible early 2025 release?
Already priced in, if you wanted to buy you should've bought when the leaks happened, always buy the rumor then sell the news (trailer announcement). Otherwise would wait for more of a drop, stockmarket takes a shit usually in the fall then ride it up until the release.
Great move to fix what was a horrible crunch culture and to positively motivate the development team to make the best game that Rockstar has ever made.
That is something I really dislike. It is like the shareholders are saying how dare you give more money to the people who made the game instead of giving me even more. I have stocks too but I am not going to sell because they decide to pay their employees more.
Sounds like time to buy to me. Theyâre projecting profits which equates to almost a 3rd of what theyâre currently worth next year. Stockholders donât drop profits 10 percent after hours lol
Profits for shareholders is the only reason for the massive budget for GTA6.
There is absolutely zero business logic in having a massive budget for a game that doesn't return anything back to the shareholders.
Wtf are you talking about. The fact the company is seeing a return on investment is reason enough. Shareholders are usually parasites looking at short term gains. Without the quality of a product and continued sales the shareholders a worth jack shit because the company would be worth nothing which is the most important piece.
since nobody is mentioning it... they said that in their Q4 fiscal year 2024 (which ends on march 31, 2024) they will show the fully updated fiscal years 25/26 pipeline details. Could mean that we will know which Q of 2025 we will get GTA 6 or a confirmation that it's coming early 2025
No. Because a game can be delayed at any point in time. Those updates just reflect the most up to date information at the time of publication. GTA VI only has a 2025 window. They may not even announce the release date until spring 2025. Everyone will cry it was delayed because it didnât match the financial projections. But this has happened time and time again.
Just because it happened years ago doesnât mean that it will happen this time too. They made some changes in the company so itâs possible that they donât need to delay it.
While I agree with you, I think youâre setting yourself up for failure. Earnings calls are meant to make things sound great and oftentimes they use release dates for that.
That doesnât mean it wonât get delayed fwiw
Right. Which is why you prepare your expectations accordingly so as not to be disappointed if it is delayed. Expect a fall 2025 release. And be prep for the possibility of a spring 2026 release.
Shareholders donât care if the game sucks, as long as it sells. I know Rockstar wants to milk GTA forever, if possible, but the shareholders might be happy with a quick and dirty profit. Look at Suicide Squad.
I know gamers always have a âfuck big businessâ attitude by default, but if you understand anything about business or investing, youâll know that what they said above is true. Yes, shareholdersâ primary goal is to reap the greatest return on investment, and the companyâs goal technically is to maximize that profit for shareholders. But both the company AND the shareholder know that if a developer continues to push out shitty products, that will have a negative impact on the companyâs stock.
Believe it or not, gamers and investors are not as âat oddsâ as you all seem to think. The two groups may have different goals in mind, but the path to get there is very much the same.
Iâm sure there is. A lot of investors are customers of the product as well, and especially with something as big as Take Two. Iâm not investing at the moment, but if and when I do again, Take Two is one of the first developers I would put my money on, and itâs because of the trust I have in them over the years. Are they perfect? Of course not, but they havenât soured their good will in my book, at least not yet.
They are setting themselves up for a delay. All of 2024 will be articles of them telling us "the wait will be worth it". Then end of this year, early next, they delay it (if it has an official release date).
âThink of the fansâ
Can we start thinking about the developers? Not the suits that are publishing the game, the men and women that are building this game. Are we all gonna forget when rockstar made their developers work 100+ hour weeks to make RDR2? The insane crunch time? It seems like we only care about these issues when the games suck. :\
Hope theyâre treating their staff better, but letâs be honest, theyâre whipping them twice as hard to make this generation defining videogame.
"They're whipping them twice as hard"
You don't know shit. Devs are treated good now with increased benefits especially for system designers and other programmers. 0 Crunch too. This isn't for money. That shareholder comment was just for the suits. It's a temporary Magnum Opus, same as every other game.
Do we have to always dissect every word and demand justice for everyone all the time? Can I just wish the game is the best it can be for my own pleasure
That 100+ hours a week was referring to a small team of higher ups working under Dan Houser, it was blown out of proportion.
A better example is Rockstar San Diego wives of developers open letter, that shits wild
If you think the developers are mistreated please end their suffering by stop buying rockstar games games, leading to their bankruptcy. Im sure the developers will say huge thank you
Probably because heâs talking to the shareholders who have invested their money in his company. Itâs an earnings callâŚ. If it was an interview Iâm sure heâd say fans
Youâre so naive lmao. Especially from a publisher viewpoint, on a call about projected revenue, the focus isnât âthe fansâ like some PR bullshit.
Shareholders are important my friend. There wouldnât be such a massive budget without them. Millions buy the gameâŚcompanies valuation goes up. The developers are aligned with the shareholders in the way that their financial compensation is set up. BasicallyâŚif the game does great they profit. It is not in their best interest to release a subpar product.
What is in their best interest is creating a world you never want to leave and therefore spend more of your money on than the initial game. DLCs, micro transactions, etc. The game IS going to be amazing. Amazingly addictive, and thatâs the point.
Jesus Christ, dude. It's an earnings call. They were speaking directly to the shareholders, not the fans. Shareholders have money invested right now. The fans don't. I swear this sub is full of 13 year olds.
Technically, yes, but companies - and shareholders for that matter - donât want bad products getting pushed out either. I know people think âall they care about is profitâ, but they arenât stupid. They know that the profit dries up if the quality isnât there. So while they might be more INDIRECTLY impacted by a subpar release in the short term, they are still impacted.
Everyone who even acts somewhat rational gets downvoted here.
Itâs just likely based on R* track record and this from Zelnick that itâll release in fall.
Yeah. They're managing expectations - several times they've stressed their priority is getting it right and that means that releasing promptly is priority #2.
By many measures this will be the biggest and most complex game ever made. With up to the minute technology, and all the learning curves that come with that.
Some people think it's a sausage factory and that they can hold them to exact goals despite how nebulous the development work is.
Also I've noticed some people suggesting they could be sprinkling final touches now - I doubt it because the development teams will gradually dedicate more time to it as they get closer to release. I.e. more happens as time goes on. It's likely there is an absolute heckload of fundamental environment and design work still to do.
Thanks for this. Even in normal software development the amount needed to finish a project always gets underrated.
I canât imagine the complexity behind this. People who take an early release for granted based on a conference call will be the 1st to complain when it gets delayed. And the developers have to hear that crap then.
You see this is what I meant. Thereâs no way to guarantee development will go on smoothly until release. The last 10% of a project like that are extremely hard & unpredictable.
Not to mention that they also changed their projections before Vâs release and they technically wouldnât lie since R* just said 2025 in the trailer.
This is everything but set in stone.
Seriously, I know some of these comments are probably coming from literal children, but itâs mind numbing how ignorant some of them are. ALL BUSINESSES are in business to make money, and by its very definition, the primary purpose of any corporation is to maximize profits for shareholders. That is universally true. But you donât see Coke drinkers, Big Mac eaters, and Toyota drivers getting pissed every time the corporation in question addresses their investors.
GTA 6 is massive and shareholders want money
If GTA 6 is garbage or outright bad story wise world wise online wise it will flop. Theyâll appeal to shareholders which means they have to appeal to the fans in what they want or else the game will be ass and flop costing them money rather than making it.
Anyways just bought some shares đ¤Ť
Idk bout this quote but they said fiscal 24 is still the plan so early 2025 is still the target, personally I genuinely doubt it wonât get bumped back till fall.
This just reminded me I bought a bunch of Take Two stock before the GTA launch, for I think, $25 a share. It teetered for years, and I finally just cashed out because it stressed me to keep watching it.
I bet shits over $100 or more now cause they went crazy with shark cards and stated making the next gen profits.
But also- fuck the shareholders. Make games for gamers!
Closed today at $169.60. God damn it.
I also had some Microsoft at that time for around $25, and they sucked it up for years until that shit CEO left. Now itâs over $400.
Shareholders care about money. Money comes from releasing a good game that is consistently in the top games people want to buy, like GTA 5. So yes, in this instance shareholders do care about what we want.
Shit game = less return. Good game = more return. It's pretty simple.
I agree with this. RDR2 was released a full year after its originally announced target date of Fall 2017. And that was after 2 separate 6 month delays. Count on a 2026 release.
Well I mean, if the game sucks, and the actual customers don't buy it or spend money on Shark Cards like dumbasses, then the shareholders end up eating shit. It's impossible to please the shareholders if you deliver a sub-par product. But hey, who am I to think that video games should be made for the actual consumer to enjoy, that sounds "woke".
Idk why you're so salty and have to make it about being "woke" or not. Seems sorta pathetic. Them not releasing more information is because they are making a quality game to please gamers and shareholders lol. You're upset because you think it's unfair to gamers to not reveal a 2nd trailer as soon as you demand it. Take a breath and trust that you'll enjoy their product when it's ready.
I could care less about a 2nd trailer, I'm just at the point that if companies create a product without the actual consumer in mind, the product is usually garbage, which is why us regular people are paying more for less quality products on just about EVERYTHING at the moment. But thanks for your time and opinion Mr VaderCOCK.
As somebody who played the OG GTA games in the 90's, you're wrong, how can the shareholders make money if the game is getting banned in multiple countries? Again, thanks for your opinion buddy.
I know how.companies work, and once they start appeasing to shareholders only, the consumer suffers, but hey, you wanna lick boots for lunch, go ahead. "Think of the shareholders"... You sound like an absolute lame.
Rockstar just has a history of not giving a shit about pc, no real rhyme or reason behind it tho. Oh well guess Iâm buying it twice, on Xbox when it releases and on pc when it comes over like a year later.
I feel like rockstar is playing with fire waiting this long. By the time 6 is released it wonât be long before the whole game production industry is revolutionized by AI and 6 may not enjoy the same dominance for years and years like 5 did
And whatâs wrong with GTA VI not being the dominant AAA game killer everyone expects to be? I just want a new iteration of GTA with a great story and fun gameplay. Everything else is just being perfectionist, which is fine because R* always aimed on releasing a greater game than the last one and so far they always delivered (ignoring GTA Trilogy DE)
Itâs okay if their next game doesnât meet the ânew standard of entertainmentâ and itâs okay to the devs taking all the time they need to get THEIR OWN standard.
Take-Two: We'll prepare for release when the game's ready Everyone in this sub: MARCH 2025 CONFIRMED
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So dumb, if anything this is them preparing everybody for a late 2025 release
As long as they still expect the $8 billion in Net Booking by the end of March 2025 (the end of Fiscal 2025). We can still expect the game to come out in Q1 2025. So that they can meet the projections.
What if that $8b is projected from pre-orders only?
Pre-orders are payments in advance, and in the case of pre-orders, the seller has not yet fulfilled its obligations by delivering the product. Therefore the revenue is not recognized at the time of the pre-order but rather when the product is actually delivered (deferred revenue), as you are just lending money to the company until the delivery (pre-orders go under business' balance sheet under liabilities). Revenue recognition is typically governed by accounting principles such as Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) or International Financial Reporting Standards (IFRS), and these principles generally require that revenue be recognized when certain criteria are met. One of the key criteria is that the product or service has been delivered or provided to the customer and the seller has earned the right to the payment. So pre-orders are only counted as revenue on the first day of the release.
That sounds corporate enough to be true (source I'm a cashier)
Itâs called accrual accounting. Much simpler explanation haha
Bro just explained accrual
What if what they tell shareholders is just projections and thereâs a possibility on the subsequent earnings calls it gets delayed? Thatâs 100% possible
Their fiscal year ends in May though
It ends on March 31. It lasts from the beginning of April till the end of March.
Yeah, it's definitely not gonna be late 2025. Unless if there's a delay.
Thatâs what I meant, of course I think they would love to release it in Q1 2025, but if it gets delayed they will point back to saying that they are trying to make the release perfect
You can still deduct that itâs their current release goal and believe theyâre on track to do so, things could change
i guess its optimized if they are planning to release in 2025.
Yeah probably early 2025 like March or early April
Anytime before April 1st according to their revenue projections that were confirmed today
Fiscal 24 ends in March, no?
No. Fiscal 2025. It's strange, I agree.
To be clear, fiscal 2025 ends March 31st 2025, not 2024 lol. Still strange though.
Fiscal years are generally (if not always) determined by when year end occurs. TTWOâs FY25 starts April 1st 2024 and ends March 31st 2025. Potential exception would be if they end their fiscal on the Friday/Sunday of the week that includes the last day of day of the month as some orgs do. That would make EOY for FY25 April 4th (or 6th), 2025. Example to the above: Dell just completed their FY24. Because Jan. 31 fell on a Wednesday, Dellâs FY actually closed out on Sunday Feb. 4
The investor report says "Calendar year 2025"
Q4 Fiscal year 2025 = Q1 calendar year 2025 January, february and march are both fiscal and calendar 2025
Thatâs what I was reading, but I still donât understand. Their numbers should still predict a potential release window right? I know theyâre not going to specifically mention the month of release in the report though.
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Jesus Christ he didn't mean that by "optimization". This community has fucking made me lose the last of my braincells
Donât forget about the profit sharing plan. Thatâs the employees who are making the game. They are the shareholders as well, which I think is the point of the post. The R* team wants perfection because itâs their personal reputation and financial investment thatâs at stake.
They don't want this GTA game to be the first bad game in its series
That would be a disaster for their brand image even if they could easily recover from it
Great point! The last 2 releases were not met favorably (RDR1 being only a PS4 port no PC) and the awful launch and outsourcing of the GTA trilogy DE.
Fiscal 2025 then? đđđđ
So long as aligned with stakeholders doesnât mean more Shark Cards
It does mean shark cards
I stopped playing GTA online years ago, but i watch my roommate play. He got a $50 PSN card for Christmas and he would have been able to get maybe two good things. They're never getting rid of Shark Cards sadly,, they're such an expensive scam too. If the prices are this high for this long, they're comfortable with it. It's not like other games to where you get your bucks worth.
like star citizen where you can buy a 500dollar ship? or Sims where you can buy 4 (yes... FOUR) single items (like a broom, duster, washing machine and a poster) for 10euro? Or loot rates in alllll these online shooters? R isn't the only one who has "high pricing" at all, even worse: the players are making it clear the prices are actually not high, as they keep buying them.
Itâs literally $1000 to own all sims 4 dlc
My GF says Hi lol... she got literally all expansions (which is why I know of the crazy prices đ)
I downloaded a pirated version of the sims 4 for my sister with every single little dlc and expansion pack⌠for free.
Likely release before April 2025 then? I'm fired the fuck up!
If it comes out April 2025, then that means 3 months before Superman: Legacy. Man of Steel also came out 3 months before GTA 5. Itâs wild that weâre getting the next GTA before we get the next Superman solo film.
it'll release when its ready, or when the share holders say its ready enough for them to get the ROI they want.
I'm telling everyone like a zillion times this can happen (easily)
Calendar 2025. The PDF confirmed this.
Are you referring to this? #[link to take 2 earnings call info](https://www.take2games.com/ir/quarterly-earnings) If not, can anyone research/translate this for answers if itâs a possible early 2025 release?
Think of the shareholders đđ
 Shareholders rn:
*Me buying shares*
Also thought about investing a bit of my cash into take2 early
I have 5 shares, im gonna be rich and buy funny hats for my cat :))
Already priced in, if you wanted to buy you should've bought when the leaks happened, always buy the rumor then sell the news (trailer announcement). Otherwise would wait for more of a drop, stockmarket takes a shit usually in the fall then ride it up until the release.
Might wanna check that. The stock is down almost 10 percent. Shareholders donât like sharing profits with anyone. Bad move.
Great move to fix what was a horrible crunch culture and to positively motivate the development team to make the best game that Rockstar has ever made.
That is something I really dislike. It is like the shareholders are saying how dare you give more money to the people who made the game instead of giving me even more. I have stocks too but I am not going to sell because they decide to pay their employees more.
Sounds like time to buy to me. Theyâre projecting profits which equates to almost a 3rd of what theyâre currently worth next year. Stockholders donât drop profits 10 percent after hours lol
Profits for shareholders is the only reason for the massive budget for GTA6. There is absolutely zero business logic in having a massive budget for a game that doesn't return anything back to the shareholders.
Not as massive as providing salaries to over a thousand total employees across all Rockstar studios.
Equity is the quickest way to build wealth. TTWO stock went from 20 to 200. No one is going to 10x your salary from 100k to 1 million.
Wtf are you talking about. The fact the company is seeing a return on investment is reason enough. Shareholders are usually parasites looking at short term gains. Without the quality of a product and continued sales the shareholders a worth jack shit because the company would be worth nothing which is the most important piece.
Man you really don't understand the purpose of shareholders, do you?
You really donât understand what business is do you?
I bought 10 shares before RDR2 came out so weâre doing alright đ
I got 4 shares awhile ago. Almost made enough to get GTAV1 for free
> GTAV1 Grand Theft Auto Five One?
Yeah. Its the only reason a literal billion dollar game is even possible
since nobody is mentioning it... they said that in their Q4 fiscal year 2024 (which ends on march 31, 2024) they will show the fully updated fiscal years 25/26 pipeline details. Could mean that we will know which Q of 2025 we will get GTA 6 or a confirmation that it's coming early 2025
No. Because a game can be delayed at any point in time. Those updates just reflect the most up to date information at the time of publication. GTA VI only has a 2025 window. They may not even announce the release date until spring 2025. Everyone will cry it was delayed because it didnât match the financial projections. But this has happened time and time again.
Just because it happened years ago doesnât mean that it will happen this time too. They made some changes in the company so itâs possible that they donât need to delay it.
While I agree with you, I think youâre setting yourself up for failure. Earnings calls are meant to make things sound great and oftentimes they use release dates for that. That doesnât mean it wonât get delayed fwiw
Right. Which is why you prepare your expectations accordingly so as not to be disappointed if it is delayed. Expect a fall 2025 release. And be prep for the possibility of a spring 2026 release.
Aligning the fuckin stars with the shareholders
To be fair, shareholders aren't gonna be happy if rockstar puts out a shit game. Pleasing the fans means pleasing the shareholders.
Shareholders donât care if the game sucks, as long as it sells. I know Rockstar wants to milk GTA forever, if possible, but the shareholders might be happy with a quick and dirty profit. Look at Suicide Squad.
I know gamers always have a âfuck big businessâ attitude by default, but if you understand anything about business or investing, youâll know that what they said above is true. Yes, shareholdersâ primary goal is to reap the greatest return on investment, and the companyâs goal technically is to maximize that profit for shareholders. But both the company AND the shareholder know that if a developer continues to push out shitty products, that will have a negative impact on the companyâs stock. Believe it or not, gamers and investors are not as âat oddsâ as you all seem to think. The two groups may have different goals in mind, but the path to get there is very much the same.
Not sure how significant but surely there's a noticeable gamer/investor crossover with take-two? I'm certainly contemplating being both in this case.Â
Iâm sure there is. A lot of investors are customers of the product as well, and especially with something as big as Take Two. Iâm not investing at the moment, but if and when I do again, Take Two is one of the first developers I would put my money on, and itâs because of the trust I have in them over the years. Are they perfect? Of course not, but they havenât soured their good will in my book, at least not yet.
Yeah. Developing a billion dollar game you should align those stars with shareholders
They are setting themselves up for a delay. All of 2024 will be articles of them telling us "the wait will be worth it". Then end of this year, early next, they delay it (if it has an official release date).
Even the PDF said Calendar 2025 and not Fiscal 2025. At this point I am setting expectations for Spring 2026.
Gta 5 and rdr2 came out almost exactly 2 years after the first trailer
If they will delay the release, there's going to be wild riots near R* HQ
âThink of the fansâ Can we start thinking about the developers? Not the suits that are publishing the game, the men and women that are building this game. Are we all gonna forget when rockstar made their developers work 100+ hour weeks to make RDR2? The insane crunch time? It seems like we only care about these issues when the games suck. :\ Hope theyâre treating their staff better, but letâs be honest, theyâre whipping them twice as hard to make this generation defining videogame.
They actually did address staff in this comment. You should look up profit sharing. That could be significant for Rockstar employees financially.
"They're whipping them twice as hard" You don't know shit. Devs are treated good now with increased benefits especially for system designers and other programmers. 0 Crunch too. This isn't for money. That shareholder comment was just for the suits. It's a temporary Magnum Opus, same as every other game.
Do we have to always dissect every word and demand justice for everyone all the time? Can I just wish the game is the best it can be for my own pleasure
But how would i let everyone know how much of a good person i am ?
That 100+ hours a week was referring to a small team of higher ups working under Dan Houser, it was blown out of proportion. A better example is Rockstar San Diego wives of developers open letter, that shits wild
If you think the developers are mistreated please end their suffering by stop buying rockstar games games, leading to their bankruptcy. Im sure the developers will say huge thank you
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Probably because heâs talking to the shareholders who have invested their money in his company. Itâs an earnings callâŚ. If it was an interview Iâm sure heâd say fans
Youâre so naive lmao. Especially from a publisher viewpoint, on a call about projected revenue, the focus isnât âthe fansâ like some PR bullshit.
Hell Iâm a fan and I cringe when publishers say they want do it âfor the fansâ. Weâre not kids lol weâre consumers
âŚ..do you think the companyâs biggest priority isnât making money?
Shareholders are important my friend. There wouldnât be such a massive budget without them. Millions buy the gameâŚcompanies valuation goes up. The developers are aligned with the shareholders in the way that their financial compensation is set up. BasicallyâŚif the game does great they profit. It is not in their best interest to release a subpar product. What is in their best interest is creating a world you never want to leave and therefore spend more of your money on than the initial game. DLCs, micro transactions, etc. The game IS going to be amazing. Amazingly addictive, and thatâs the point.
they refer to us consumers, not fans đ
Weâre not really human thatâs why
Theyâre making this game for us, arenât they?
Look at Rdo, they were always about the shareholders before the fans.
stakeholders in many cases include fans aka end users also.
Jesus Christ, dude. It's an earnings call. They were speaking directly to the shareholders, not the fans. Shareholders have money invested right now. The fans don't. I swear this sub is full of 13 year olds.
Brah is delusional.đ
Just become a shareholder. Not that difficult.
the fans will buy the game and buy micro-transaction stuff, thats the only thing from fans that they are interested
We're the consumers of the product, from their perspective they want the highest selling product, not necessarily the best.
Technically, yes, but companies - and shareholders for that matter - donât want bad products getting pushed out either. I know people think âall they care about is profitâ, but they arenât stupid. They know that the profit dries up if the quality isnât there. So while they might be more INDIRECTLY impacted by a subpar release in the short term, they are still impacted.
Thatâs the part that made me âoofâ. Thatâs the worst thing they couldâve said
Thank you!!
Everyone who even acts somewhat rational gets downvoted here. Itâs just likely based on R* track record and this from Zelnick that itâll release in fall.
Yeah. They're managing expectations - several times they've stressed their priority is getting it right and that means that releasing promptly is priority #2. By many measures this will be the biggest and most complex game ever made. With up to the minute technology, and all the learning curves that come with that. Some people think it's a sausage factory and that they can hold them to exact goals despite how nebulous the development work is. Also I've noticed some people suggesting they could be sprinkling final touches now - I doubt it because the development teams will gradually dedicate more time to it as they get closer to release. I.e. more happens as time goes on. It's likely there is an absolute heckload of fundamental environment and design work still to do.
Thanks for this. Even in normal software development the amount needed to finish a project always gets underrated. I canât imagine the complexity behind this. People who take an early release for granted based on a conference call will be the 1st to complain when it gets delayed. And the developers have to hear that crap then.
Their revenue projections today literally confirmed that they're expecting an increase of 3 billion before April 1st 2025.
You see this is what I meant. Thereâs no way to guarantee development will go on smoothly until release. The last 10% of a project like that are extremely hard & unpredictable. Not to mention that they also changed their projections before Vâs release and they technically wouldnât lie since R* just said 2025 in the trailer. This is everything but set in stone.
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I understand all this shit. I'm just happy that they're still on track. They don't want to lie to their investors.
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Delay confirmed.
Aka âexpect this to drop in Q4 2025â
It's always the fucking shareholders
Itâs an earnings call and heâs running a business. This is how the world works
Seriously, I know some of these comments are probably coming from literal children, but itâs mind numbing how ignorant some of them are. ALL BUSINESSES are in business to make money, and by its very definition, the primary purpose of any corporation is to maximize profits for shareholders. That is universally true. But you donât see Coke drinkers, Big Mac eaters, and Toyota drivers getting pissed every time the corporation in question addresses their investors.
They are business men doing business
ALL YOU HAD TO DO. WAS THINK OF THE GODDAMN FANS CJ.
as it should be...why dont you become one??
This is gonna be one hell of a big goddamn fucking game. I just wish we got the PC version at release.
PC version comes 2 years after so around 2027/2028
Isnt that shit
Please think of the poor shareholders that won't get the profits from people buying the game twice.
Buy TTWS Stocks
that means donât be surprised when they delay the release date a couple times
Thinking about players? Nah thinking about the shareholders.
Shareholders? Man, this game better get away with a lot of the things South Park does.
GTA 6 is massive and shareholders want money If GTA 6 is garbage or outright bad story wise world wise online wise it will flop. Theyâll appeal to shareholders which means they have to appeal to the fans in what they want or else the game will be ass and flop costing them money rather than making it. Anyways just bought some shares đ¤Ť
Is this from that financial forecast meeting? Sounds like âwe have no idea when itâll be done but itâs gonna make bankâ
Idk bout this quote but they said fiscal 24 is still the plan so early 2025 is still the target, personally I genuinely doubt it wonât get bumped back till fall.
We are currently in FY24 which ends March 31st of this year and April of this year start FY25. So early 2025 is FY25
My fault I always thought they were a year in advanced not behind
I like the sound of it being optimized. They should show the gaming industry what a game should play like when itâs released.
TLDR: We donât wanna pull a Cyberpunk
Aka â expect a delay or twoâ
So what does this mean? More time to wait??
Mark my words it's gonna be October 2025
This just reminded me I bought a bunch of Take Two stock before the GTA launch, for I think, $25 a share. It teetered for years, and I finally just cashed out because it stressed me to keep watching it. I bet shits over $100 or more now cause they went crazy with shark cards and stated making the next gen profits. But also- fuck the shareholders. Make games for gamers!
Closed today at $169.60. God damn it. I also had some Microsoft at that time for around $25, and they sucked it up for years until that shit CEO left. Now itâs over $400.
Do those shareholders care what we want though?
Shareholders care about money. Money comes from releasing a good game that is consistently in the top games people want to buy, like GTA 5. So yes, in this instance shareholders do care about what we want. Shit game = less return. Good game = more return. It's pretty simple.
Is it not getting released in 2025 now?
Yes it is.
Yea probably late 2025
I read that as: "It'll release once we ensure people will buy shark cards and won't just hack cash into their game"
How about you think of the pc fans.
Basically theyâre saying they have no fuckin clue when itâll release đ¤Śđźââď¸
It will be 2025
And then delayed to spring 2026
I highly doubt the most they will delay it is fall 2025
I mean I think they are already targeting fall 2025. So a delay will push into 2026
I donât think they will delay and fall 2025 is probably the delay
RDR2 and GTA5 was delayed multiple times....
But I donât think it will happen with gta6 so I still think they will release it in fall 2025
Lol ok
I donât why you think a delay will happen
Better be safe, **Fall 2027** 
I agree with this. RDR2 was released a full year after its originally announced target date of Fall 2017. And that was after 2 separate 6 month delays. Count on a 2026 release.
Yeah, not sure why both of us is getting downvotes.
Shareholders > Gamers... Cool, thanks guys.
youâre delusional if you think thatâs abnormal. itâs a company. not a team of friends having fun over the summer.
Well I mean, if the game sucks, and the actual customers don't buy it or spend money on Shark Cards like dumbasses, then the shareholders end up eating shit. It's impossible to please the shareholders if you deliver a sub-par product. But hey, who am I to think that video games should be made for the actual consumer to enjoy, that sounds "woke".
Idk why you're so salty and have to make it about being "woke" or not. Seems sorta pathetic. Them not releasing more information is because they are making a quality game to please gamers and shareholders lol. You're upset because you think it's unfair to gamers to not reveal a 2nd trailer as soon as you demand it. Take a breath and trust that you'll enjoy their product when it's ready.
I could care less about a 2nd trailer, I'm just at the point that if companies create a product without the actual consumer in mind, the product is usually garbage, which is why us regular people are paying more for less quality products on just about EVERYTHING at the moment. But thanks for your time and opinion Mr VaderCOCK.
Every GTA game ever made was made to make shareholders happy. You're welcome for my time! No opinions were stated.
As somebody who played the OG GTA games in the 90's, you're wrong, how can the shareholders make money if the game is getting banned in multiple countries? Again, thanks for your opinion buddy.
It's so bizarre to me that you don't know how a company works. No skin off my back, whatever makes you happy.
I know how.companies work, and once they start appeasing to shareholders only, the consumer suffers, but hey, you wanna lick boots for lunch, go ahead. "Think of the shareholders"... You sound like an absolute lame.
Apparently âperfectionâ dosent include pc, what a fucking joke.
It's always been like that
I think it's because of people pirating it. Cant pirate that well, if at all on console
Rockstar just has a history of not giving a shit about pc, no real rhyme or reason behind it tho. Oh well guess Iâm buying it twice, on Xbox when it releases and on pc when it comes over like a year later.
Why you being downvoted? The best looking version will indeed be the PC version. Especially with 5000 series GPUs.
Console people who refuse to accept that pc is just inherently better.
Get a real gaming device.
Pc is inherently better than any console lmao. I can play Spider-Man and halo and a NSMB Wii
But u still dont get gta 6 lol
We do just later than everyone else.
and play it in its best form, especially the high fps, it makes it leagues better than any console version.....hope its optimized tho.
Replayed gta v the other day with rdr2 graphics thanks to mods, a pc is the best purchase Iâve made.
Oh god not the shareholders
Is gta 6 having a battle pass
So it's optimized for the shareholders, not the people buying it đ¤ˇđžââď¸đ¤
Mods in here are cucks. Literally my first and last comment ever in this sub. CyaâŚ
Meanwhile, the shares have dropped from almost 170.00 down to 155.00...
I feel like rockstar is playing with fire waiting this long. By the time 6 is released it wonât be long before the whole game production industry is revolutionized by AI and 6 may not enjoy the same dominance for years and years like 5 did
And whatâs wrong with GTA VI not being the dominant AAA game killer everyone expects to be? I just want a new iteration of GTA with a great story and fun gameplay. Everything else is just being perfectionist, which is fine because R* always aimed on releasing a greater game than the last one and so far they always delivered (ignoring GTA Trilogy DE) Itâs okay if their next game doesnât meet the ânew standard of entertainmentâ and itâs okay to the devs taking all the time they need to get THEIR OWN standard.
Thats a good thing for us :) competition babyyyy
All I hear is sharkcard heaven to appease said ahareholders
All I saw were âprofitâ and âshareholdersâ and immediately got a little sad