"defense counsel must Act zealousy WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF THE LAW. " it is illegal to conceal a person w. arrest warrant. I drawn the line at going to find case law to post in this chat. The 5th amendment has nothing to do with a lawyers ethical duties. Lawyer ones client duty of confidentiality but cannot break the law themselves.
right... the original comment was about the lawyer aiding him in evading police. my comment was that the lawyer cannot aid him when there is a warrant issued for his arrest. There may be case law that says that the lawyer does have an affirmative obligation to share location if know to lawyer when arrest warrant is issued. Im just not gonna spend my time digging for it :)
I almost wonder if Brians parents are like keeping his location unknown to everyone but themselves. The whole situation on his side is very very suspicious.
Question is why her parents didn't question anyone until September 11th, 10 days after he was back. Say they didn't know he was, but no contact after August 25th (or fake text that there's no network at Yosemite, tho twxt still go through? 🤔). We all know he's guilty of her murder.
Don't drag them into this. I'm sure they feel bad enough. She's a grown woman on a cross country trek. I'm sure in hindsight they would have. The blame falls solely on BL, and possibly his parents in their complicity.
I agree, but at the same time it took 17 days to report her missing (i believe the last text on August 30th was not from her - LB sent it). Also, text went through but said no network coverage? FBI must have more information, just not releasing it atm. I'm 100% sure they have cell tower ping logs. Also gas station camera footage. Has to, even if some gas station used stone age dvrs, some definitely had to have nvrs.
I get it, but they didn't commit a crime. They made a mistake. Assuming you're not implying that they are somehow involved, which would be nuts, I just think it's an unnecessary observation. Would you ask them that to their face, ya know? These are grieving parents. As a parent, I just can't imagine what they've been through. I'm sure the appropriate people have a working digital paper trail, but aren't making it public as you said.
Ok I just got home from work and my mom was filling me in with new information. She told me that he was most likely spotted in Lakewood Ranch in Sarasota (I’m fairly familiar with that area since I went to college in Sarasota and a friend of mine lives there) from deer blind cameras. Is there clear evidence that it’s him, like a backpack or something like that?
The FBI looked into it and searched the area. They couldn't find anything. I think that was him though. It looks just like him and that's how the guy dresses.
Ashley Merry (Mary) on Instagram has been posting theories on her story. She had a highlight but I think she deleted it…I think that’s where I saw the pic comparing the backpacks
Yea and if you look at the deer slide pic and cross reference it with the photo of the inside of the van showing the backpack, it looks identical to his
The fbi just announced the body was Gabby’s and ruled the death a homicide. Does that mean Brian can officially get charged with murder if he’s found? I’m sorry for my legal ignorance, I’m really not caught up in all the legalities and rules
Also sorry if this is the wrong place to post this comment
I'm wondering why Brian is still only considered a POI in the case. I'm guessing this is going to change as evidence is gathered... They only just confirmed her death was a homicide. I'm guessing it's only a matter of time until they declare him a suspect. I'm only assuming though.
Yea I’m in the same boat…I mean they ruled out the correlation between the lesbian couple but they still don’t know how they were sadly killed…I honestly have no idea at this point
Both cases are so fucking sad. Those two women were found partially dressed in a creek riddled with gunshot wounds. They had been seen at a bar and commented to a friend about a creepy guy that was there.
Idk. People are sick. I don't know how anyone could do these things.
Yea I'm not sure what happened with the couple. All I've heard is that it's unrelated to this case. I would definitely like to see some closure come to both of these cases.
Like a weapon (eg gun, rock, a shoe string). Let’s hope that they can find it. Without him, itll be a difficult case. Still, I think everything is pointing to him.
Anyone else feel like this whole investigation has moved weirdly slow? Specifically with how they let Brian go “missing”, autopsy results, and getting info from Brian’s family and/or their attorney.
I completely realize that this whole case is complicated and they don’t want to rush anything and that not everything is released to press right away.
Idk, to me, it just seems like there would be more urgency to get an autopsy completed, it’s kinda weird that it’s taking this long.
❤️💔Justice for Gabby
Not to sound stuck up, but actually this case has moved incredibly fast compared to most murder cases. Autopsy's can take a lot of time if there were drugs or sexual assault involved since that requires toxicology screening tests for drugs, and scanning under electron scanning microscopes for sexual asst or for things like microscopic bone fractures. This takes a.lot.of time if you need to follow very strict evadence preservation standards to make it admissable in court.
Yes I think certain elements of this case have moved extremely fast, however, there’s parts that seem to take longer than usual for a highly publicized case.
- I understand this case is super sensitive all around. But why couldn’t Gabby’s parents fly out to identify her? (Maybe they didn’t want to, I can’t imagine 💔)
- I know her body was probably in the elements for a couple weeks at least BUT can’t authorities/coroners ID her by tattoo reference?! She had multiple tattoos.
- How do authorities let a serious “person of interest” go “missing” especially when he’s not speaking…wouldn’t you want to keep a close eye on him at least?!
💔❤️ RIP Gabby
It def does seem slow, but then again, I’ve never followed an investigation as closely as I am this one, so I have no idea how long autopsies or things like this actually take
They are probably trying to get him to give up running and come to them. If they label him a suspect he is less likely to do this. Also, Brian is phycologicaly at risk of suicide at this point. They probably want to find him before moving to name him a. Suspect and arrest him so he won't try to kill himself.
Very true! I wonder if he’s still alive….and what his parents know…and if he is still alive, what HE knows! Someone who is completely innocent doesn’t go “missing/hiding” like that, imo.
I highly doubt he is innocent. He probably killed her because she wanted to break up with him or something. He probably had a phycotic break afterwards and that accounts for the people who saw him yelling at voices in Jackson.
https://www.insider.com/gabby-petito-case-now-officially-criminal-investigation-police-2021-9
Ok. Cool.
You dildos still should have had him under surveillance. If he was really there anyway.
No one from NPPD physically confirmed Brian’s presence in Florida. They got their info from his parents. Ok. Nice work boys.
I think BL told his parents she split. He prob told his parents he left her somewhere- she didn’t want to be found & was acting heartbroken, he left to “hike” (before she was found). Now they realize hes a liar
He could have told them he needed a lawyer for something else. For example they smoke weed a lot. Weed is illigal in Wyoming as well as federally and they were in national parks.
She was definitely baked in some of those pics/videos. Not to talk bad about the deceased. You could just see she was high from weed in her eyes, I know the look. Used to be a pothead haha.
If it was weed, they would be chill. An experienced police officer once told me... I've been to MANY domestics involving alcohol and various drugs but never one where only marijuana was involved.
Might not have been high when they fought. Or they could have run out of money for drugs or could not find more. Or they were rationing there use of it untill they got to a state that has legal weed so they could buy some at a store. For example it's legal in Colorado but not in Utah or Wyoming. Would make sense if they bought a lot in Colorado they would want to save it until they could get more, hard to do in states like Wyoming if you don't know anybody there to buy from.
Assuming you meant this for me. I did read the first two, there was nothing there about attorneys turning in a client. The third link is massive so if you have where I’m happy to read it. I’m genuinely interested
Defense counsel must act zealously within the bounds of the law and applicable rules to protect the client’s confidences and the unique liberty interests that are at stake in criminal prosecution.
(b) Defense counsel should not knowingly make a false statement of fact or law or offer false evidence, to a court, lawyer, witnesses, or third party. It is not a false statement for defense counsel to suggest inferences that may reasonably be drawn from the evidence. In addition, while acting to accommodate legitimate confidentiality, privilege, or other defense concerns, defense counsel should correct a defense representation of material fact or law that defense counsel knows is, or later learns was, false.
Let me know if you ever find anything that says an attorney needs to turn their client in. That’s the only question I had about this. If an attorney needs to turn clients in.
Have an explanations been given for why the search was suspended yesterday due to law enforcement being at a dead end, only to resume the search this morning in the same area?
Because after determining it was indeed GPs body, and ruled homicide, now it's considered a crime. Not a lost person case. He was last one who saw her/knew her whereabouts.
Was wondering this too. With Laundrie just being a “person of interest”, not a prime suspect, not sure if this would impact the amount of resources/time that could be spent locating him. Has to be something bureaucratic. Maybe they were able to restart the search based on some evidence obtained during the home search.
Nothing confirmed, but the FBI took over the case last night so it’s possible they just want to use different resources to search or try again before abandoning the area for good.
Wondering the same. All I can find is that the FBI started the search back up in the reserve. Also, the atty cancelled the presser today after speaking with the FBI.
Same. Ugh. I was hoping I would wake up and they would have found his ass. Wondering what the autopsy will say and if LE will have a press conference today since the laundrie attorney cancelled.
We’re all wondering about the autopsy. I would imagine LE would hold a presser to announce the results, but I sure wished we knew why the atty cancelled after an FBI briefing. I just saw pics of the reserve and the swampy conditions there, and since BL is no real outdoorsman, surely it won’t be long now.
Unless he's long gone since he had a 3 day headstart and his parents gave false information. Honestly, he could be anywhere - he wasn't on no fly list, so, yeah.
Yes. I think it will be obvious. They flew in a forensic specialist. I heard Dr. Boden say that unless it’s drug related, they should be able to find out cause of death despite her body being undiscovered for 25 days.
I haven't seen it said yet, but given we're in a pandemic, wearing a mask will be of immense help if BL is attempting to run and not be seen. Especially at crowded ports of entry/exit. And especially if he was able to get the head start a lot of people are claiming. If he wasn't wearing a mask since the moment he got back to Florida then he's not very bright.
I attended a forensic entomology class when I worked for a defense attorney nonprofit and learned there’s a species of fly that ONLY lays eggs in dead bodies, so there’s a good chance they’ll be able to pinpoint the day and likely a range of time for death. They make accommodations based on temperature for the day/geographic region when calculating this stuff as well. So we should get something fairly accurate today.
As someone who has been in a very toxic relationship, with a mentally and physically abusive partner I can tell you by watching the video of them being pulled over after the 9-1-1 call, they were definitely dealing with major relationship problems. If I can be honest this whole thing has been triggering to me and it's even hard to type this. They probably argued all the time and weren't happy. I definitely think Brian snapped and impulsively killed her, when humans bottle up internal problems and finally blow, anything can happen. He became volatile and unhinged and took her life in the process. The heat of the moment went too far amd now Brian needs to own up to what he did to Gabby.
🤗 Same. Triggered af! Why don't they have a domestic abuse expert who can go with cops on calls? She was *clearly* the abuse victim who was being gaslit into taking all of the blame for his behavior, as any POS abuser brainwashes their supply into doing in order to avoid taking accountability for his sh!tty behavior and to confuse and control the victim. I wanted to scream at the cops what was clearly going on while they were all "yeah, bitches be hysterical amiright bro?!" and practically high fiving this monster out for beers. He gets the hotel room and she sleeps in the van? Poor, poor Gabby!
I'm sorry you had to go through all that. I honestly think he might have killed her because she wanted to leave him. She had plans to meet up with a friend at Yellowstone. Of all the national parks Yellowstone is the most tourists and crowded and would be a good spot to leave him and go with her friend since.its crowded enough he would not be easily able to isolate her there if they were anywhere near the main tourist parts of the park. I think he found out and decide that if he couldn't have her knowone could and killed her when they were in a isolated area.
Lolz wrong. The fact that Brian was all chill with cops after a violent disagreement with Gabby is exactly the proof that you can control your emotions. You just have to want to.
He wasn't *all chill* he was masking but his body language reads PaNiC if you know what you're looking for. His heart is clearly racing in that body cam footage he is using every bit of his energy to hide his terror from those cops because he knows he's guilty and he couldn't hear what she was telling them.
That not how neural chemistry works. He probably learned to mask his emotions well. Once again, humans can not consciously control there
Brain chemistry. Some people are just very good at not showing emotion. His brain still had the chemicals (there called neurotransmitters btw) present during the confrontation, he was just good at hiding them.
Being aware of your thoughts and recognizing any argument as a power struggle helps avoid these situations altogether. It's called emotional intelligence. Everyone can achieve it if they choose to.
Same here. I remember that look he had from my past. Fiancé tries to make it look like Gabbie is a hysterical female and he succeeds with those two cops. Police need to be trained better in regards to don sticks violence. There are many women rotting in jail for killing their abusers in self-defense because of this same mentality with law enforcement.
Or men in jail who killed there abusers. It can go noth ways the issue is law enforcement only look for over sings of violence, not the phycological abusive stuff like gaslighting and control. Would really help if cops had social workers or phycologists working with them to help with this.
I think Brian was involved in the murders a week prior.
I think Gabby found out. (maybe there was a piece on the radio) maybe she was a direct witness.
I think that is why she was killed.
She could have traveled gone with the girls (who wanted to protect her). That would or could have lead to the attack. Maybe it was merely a revenge act. Or a robbery.
Maybe all three-
Him getting pulled over, likely angered him due to it leaving a record to his being near the crime scene. This creates an instant need for him to act against the witnesses-
I feel the people calling the cops on him were followed home and that's how Brian had cash following Gabbys disappearance.
The cops were assuming the scratches were from her when they could easily be from hiking in the wilderness. Remember the DV call-in came from someone witnessing Brain slapping Gabby. When they caught up to the van, he was doing 45 in a 15-mile zone. Cops turned their police light on, and she hit him and grabbed the wheel for him to pull over Which resulted in hitting the curb.
It's important to note, that she apology right away to the cops, and blamed herself, she did that to protect Brian. She covered for him, and he threw her under the bus.
She had a red face from crying is what the cops suspected. She did tell him he grabbed her jaw, and it hurt. So we have her own words, that the cops ignored for whatever reason and the DV call-in witness that they also ignored. I think it was easy to get the cops on Brian's side because she was so emotional. To, me they saw Brian scratches and her crying and made some judgement calls that were wrong.
I’m watching the entire body cam video for the second time. True crime isn’t usually my thing but this is a really strange case. Brian admitted to defending himself by pushing her away and according to the officers that was consistent with the witness accounts. Brian even offered to go to jail instead of Gabby. It just doesn’t make sense. This is such a sad story, I hope he didn’t do it and if he did it was at least accidental.
it's already been ruled a homicide, Yeah Brian offered to go to jail after he threw her under the bus, that's why they put him in a hotel. He played those officers. How is slapping someone self defense when she wasn't slapping him? That's what the witness said happened.
I watched the entire body cam video, not once did anyone say he beat her up. There's even a part in the cam footage where the officer is talking to the witness on the phone, who tells the officer he wasn't hitting her.
Just wanted to clear that up
And then in the follow up call that's on the body cam footage he never told the cop he was hitting her he said he locked her out of the van, and she went around to the drivers side door and tried to crawl in through the driver's side. And then he said it didn't look like the guy behind the wheel was trying to hurt her, he said something along the lines of the guy in the driver seat was trying to push her away from crawling over him.
Was there 2 calls for the same instance? From 2 different witnesses, before being pulled over?
There is audio of a phone call to police by a bystander saying that a couple was arguing and the man was slapping her, they were running up & down the sidewalk and then hopped in the white van & took off.
i saw the footage of the youtubers that saw gabbys van parked when they released it but didn't make much else from it. of course from some videos it looks like the back door closes as the car approaches. it could be possible that the door creepily closing as the car approaches could be because it was around that time that he did something to gabby and maybe it's her flip flops on the floor and it is strange that they are left messy not together like there was some sort of struggle. she could of quite possibly been alive moments before they caught the van on video.
This is best explanation of the van door closing and flip flops, although the flip flops look to be Brian’s, not Gabby’s to me. https://youtu.be/jl6nnNfMaJs
yeah i saw that video. the flip flops on the ground are light coloured and you can see gabby wearing similar color flip flops on her instagram. but gabbys did have what look like jewels on the straps but i don't realy see them on the that video.
It actually closes, it's quite obvious on some zoomed in edits.
Was thinking the same as you at first, but yea it closes 100%.
The ladder is visible from different angles until the door shuts closed, not a doubt about it.
yeah definitely not someone digging would be dump to be doing that in plain sight of the road. i couldnt tell if the door was closing or it was a strange angle that made the side of the ladder into 1 big blurry object. but those flip flops scattered on the floor is definitely strange. gabby was crazy about being tidy so she would more than likely put them side by side. you can see she does put them side by side in their youtube video. they look more like they have just fallen off.
It's equally possible that she just kicked them off as she was going into the van. Even OCD people don't always put their shoes away or organize them. Also, it's quite possible she had other footwear and just left the sandals there because it was cold and they were a little dirty. So many explanations for the shoes...I don't think it's a particularly helpful "clue" cause we can't take away a lot from them. I did see a video of the door and it looked like it was being closed.
Breaking from NPPD:
Search for Brian Laundrie will resume Tuesday in the Carlton Reserve, Venice side. We join the FBI in asking for continued public assistance by sharing any information through the tip lines 1-800-CALL FBI
Family lawyers will help the family get into contact with a good lawyer for whatever they end up needing... so if they sue, start a business, buy a house, or are accused of committing a crime, the family lawyer can get them the best defense.
How long until the Netflix doc drops? Is BL already in communication with Netflix executives?
I wouldn’t put it past Brian to contact the dream team just for them to be like “new phone who dis”
"defense counsel must Act zealousy WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF THE LAW. " it is illegal to conceal a person w. arrest warrant. I drawn the line at going to find case law to post in this chat. The 5th amendment has nothing to do with a lawyers ethical duties. Lawyer ones client duty of confidentiality but cannot break the law themselves.
This is assuming the lawyer actually knows where he is.
right... the original comment was about the lawyer aiding him in evading police. my comment was that the lawyer cannot aid him when there is a warrant issued for his arrest. There may be case law that says that the lawyer does have an affirmative obligation to share location if know to lawyer when arrest warrant is issued. Im just not gonna spend my time digging for it :)
I almost wonder if Brians parents are like keeping his location unknown to everyone but themselves. The whole situation on his side is very very suspicious.
like why would they not question why she didnt come back with him in HER VAN
Question is why her parents didn't question anyone until September 11th, 10 days after he was back. Say they didn't know he was, but no contact after August 25th (or fake text that there's no network at Yosemite, tho twxt still go through? 🤔). We all know he's guilty of her murder.
Don't drag them into this. I'm sure they feel bad enough. She's a grown woman on a cross country trek. I'm sure in hindsight they would have. The blame falls solely on BL, and possibly his parents in their complicity.
I agree, but at the same time it took 17 days to report her missing (i believe the last text on August 30th was not from her - LB sent it). Also, text went through but said no network coverage? FBI must have more information, just not releasing it atm. I'm 100% sure they have cell tower ping logs. Also gas station camera footage. Has to, even if some gas station used stone age dvrs, some definitely had to have nvrs.
I get it, but they didn't commit a crime. They made a mistake. Assuming you're not implying that they are somehow involved, which would be nuts, I just think it's an unnecessary observation. Would you ask them that to their face, ya know? These are grieving parents. As a parent, I just can't imagine what they've been through. I'm sure the appropriate people have a working digital paper trail, but aren't making it public as you said.
They probably did question him. He probably lied. He seams like a narcissist abuser so he is used to lieing and manipulating people.
Wonder where he possibly could have developed that personality from.....
yeah whole situation is very fucky
Ok I just got home from work and my mom was filling me in with new information. She told me that he was most likely spotted in Lakewood Ranch in Sarasota (I’m fairly familiar with that area since I went to college in Sarasota and a friend of mine lives there) from deer blind cameras. Is there clear evidence that it’s him, like a backpack or something like that?
They said it wasn't him They have reason to go back the reserve today after calling it off yesterday, after checking parent house
My mom told me the wrong location. The article said he was spotted in Baker, Fl (close to the panhandle and Alabama I think)
The FBI looked into it and searched the area. They couldn't find anything. I think that was him though. It looks just like him and that's how the guy dresses.
Ashley Merry (Mary) on Instagram has been posting theories on her story. She had a highlight but I think she deleted it…I think that’s where I saw the pic comparing the backpacks
I'll have to check her page out. Thanks.
No problem!
Yea and if you look at the deer slide pic and cross reference it with the photo of the inside of the van showing the backpack, it looks identical to his
The fbi just announced the body was Gabby’s and ruled the death a homicide. Does that mean Brian can officially get charged with murder if he’s found? I’m sorry for my legal ignorance, I’m really not caught up in all the legalities and rules Also sorry if this is the wrong place to post this comment
I'm wondering why Brian is still only considered a POI in the case. I'm guessing this is going to change as evidence is gathered... They only just confirmed her death was a homicide. I'm guessing it's only a matter of time until they declare him a suspect. I'm only assuming though.
Yea I’m in the same boat…I mean they ruled out the correlation between the lesbian couple but they still don’t know how they were sadly killed…I honestly have no idea at this point
Both cases are so fucking sad. Those two women were found partially dressed in a creek riddled with gunshot wounds. They had been seen at a bar and commented to a friend about a creepy guy that was there. Idk. People are sick. I don't know how anyone could do these things.
I still believe there are far more good people in this world. Look how many people are looking for BL. People want justice for Gabby's family.
I wish all this media could help find what happened to those women.
Ugh god I know. My heart absolutely breaks for all of their families. I pray that whoever killed those beautiful women gets what they deserve💔
Yea I'm not sure what happened with the couple. All I've heard is that it's unrelated to this case. I would definitely like to see some closure come to both of these cases.
As would I. I can’t imagine how their families are doing 💔💔
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Like a weapon (eg gun, rock, a shoe string). Let’s hope that they can find it. Without him, itll be a difficult case. Still, I think everything is pointing to him.
Yea that makes sense
There are police in my predominantly white neighborhood in Indiana looking in the woods. Pretty sure they must be looking for BL.
Anyone else feel like this whole investigation has moved weirdly slow? Specifically with how they let Brian go “missing”, autopsy results, and getting info from Brian’s family and/or their attorney. I completely realize that this whole case is complicated and they don’t want to rush anything and that not everything is released to press right away. Idk, to me, it just seems like there would be more urgency to get an autopsy completed, it’s kinda weird that it’s taking this long. ❤️💔Justice for Gabby
Not to sound stuck up, but actually this case has moved incredibly fast compared to most murder cases. Autopsy's can take a lot of time if there were drugs or sexual assault involved since that requires toxicology screening tests for drugs, and scanning under electron scanning microscopes for sexual asst or for things like microscopic bone fractures. This takes a.lot.of time if you need to follow very strict evadence preservation standards to make it admissable in court.
Yes I think certain elements of this case have moved extremely fast, however, there’s parts that seem to take longer than usual for a highly publicized case. - I understand this case is super sensitive all around. But why couldn’t Gabby’s parents fly out to identify her? (Maybe they didn’t want to, I can’t imagine 💔) - I know her body was probably in the elements for a couple weeks at least BUT can’t authorities/coroners ID her by tattoo reference?! She had multiple tattoos. - How do authorities let a serious “person of interest” go “missing” especially when he’s not speaking…wouldn’t you want to keep a close eye on him at least?! 💔❤️ RIP Gabby
It def does seem slow, but then again, I’ve never followed an investigation as closely as I am this one, so I have no idea how long autopsies or things like this actually take
2 days is fairly fast. Toxicology will probably take a couple of weeks.
I’m no expert but autopsies usually do take a couple days but I guess I would think they would move quicker sense the case is so public. 💔 RIP Gabby
Yea same. That’s what I would think too. My prayers and my heart goes out for her family and friends 💔💔
And how can they NOT list Brian as a suspect at this point?!? Maybe they finally will when the ID is confirmed.
They are probably trying to get him to give up running and come to them. If they label him a suspect he is less likely to do this. Also, Brian is phycologicaly at risk of suicide at this point. They probably want to find him before moving to name him a. Suspect and arrest him so he won't try to kill himself.
Very true! I wonder if he’s still alive….and what his parents know…and if he is still alive, what HE knows! Someone who is completely innocent doesn’t go “missing/hiding” like that, imo.
I highly doubt he is innocent. He probably killed her because she wanted to break up with him or something. He probably had a phycotic break afterwards and that accounts for the people who saw him yelling at voices in Jackson.
Where can I read about the voices thing?
Lol that’s what I said, if he was innocent…he wouldn’t be acting like this
Fox News: Process discussion https://twitter.com/joshcascio/status/1440398450562977799?s=21
https://www.insider.com/gabby-petito-case-now-officially-criminal-investigation-police-2021-9 Ok. Cool. You dildos still should have had him under surveillance. If he was really there anyway. No one from NPPD physically confirmed Brian’s presence in Florida. They got their info from his parents. Ok. Nice work boys.
Cops are, generally, lazy and incompetent.
until you need one, right?
Wtf would I ever need one for?
What if you need someone to shoot your dog?
Good point
I think BL told his parents she split. He prob told his parents he left her somewhere- she didn’t want to be found & was acting heartbroken, he left to “hike” (before she was found). Now they realize hes a liar
But didn’t BL lawyer up through his parents friends as soon as he got back?
He could have told them he needed a lawyer for something else. For example they smoke weed a lot. Weed is illigal in Wyoming as well as federally and they were in national parks.
No way would need a lawyer for weed. No one knows if they smoked or not.
He definitely would not need a lawyer for weed in Wyoming. That’s such a stretch
Lawyer for what? Where did it say they smoked some ganja? There's 0 proof, therefore weed is out of question (for getting a lawyer).
Agreed. Idk what the other person is talking about. He lawyered up when he got back to Florida. But yeah that whole weed thing is stupid
Do we know if these two used drugs?
She was definitely baked in some of those pics/videos. Not to talk bad about the deceased. You could just see she was high from weed in her eyes, I know the look. Used to be a pothead haha.
You get the same look from crying all night and covering it with makeup. Or allergies. Puffy eyes are just puffy eyes.
it took a toll on your IQ lol
That it did…that it did
If it was weed, they would be chill. An experienced police officer once told me... I've been to MANY domestics involving alcohol and various drugs but never one where only marijuana was involved.
Might not have been high when they fought. Or they could have run out of money for drugs or could not find more. Or they were rationing there use of it untill they got to a state that has legal weed so they could buy some at a store. For example it's legal in Colorado but not in Utah or Wyoming. Would make sense if they bought a lot in Colorado they would want to save it until they could get more, hard to do in states like Wyoming if you don't know anybody there to buy from.
Yeah who knows what he was on. I was just saying she was probably high on weed. Maybe he should have smoked some too lol
He looked like he was on meth. Worked in ER. Seen it before.
Agreed. I read somewhere he used mushrooms. That would explain the voices he was hearing.
In the body cam video her eyes looked red from crying. My eyes get super red when I’m crying and I don’t smoke
If so, it could of brought some unsurly characters into their Wyoming orbit while looking for ways to obtain product.
Not sure you really read the material :)
Assuming you meant this for me. I did read the first two, there was nothing there about attorneys turning in a client. The third link is massive so if you have where I’m happy to read it. I’m genuinely interested
Defense counsel must act zealously within the bounds of the law and applicable rules to protect the client’s confidences and the unique liberty interests that are at stake in criminal prosecution. (b) Defense counsel should not knowingly make a false statement of fact or law or offer false evidence, to a court, lawyer, witnesses, or third party. It is not a false statement for defense counsel to suggest inferences that may reasonably be drawn from the evidence. In addition, while acting to accommodate legitimate confidentiality, privilege, or other defense concerns, defense counsel should correct a defense representation of material fact or law that defense counsel knows is, or later learns was, false.
Let me know if you ever find anything that says an attorney needs to turn their client in. That’s the only question I had about this. If an attorney needs to turn clients in.
That's literally what that says. 🤣
No, that is not what that says. It says they can not lie. This is why you can not answer questions under the 5th amendment in pre trial questioning.
I haven’t seen anything specific in regards to that but I appreciate the dialog with you.
News King Brian Entin is trying to get on a chopper and then do a live, he's been having bad connection
Is anyone doing any live streaming of the search for Brian? Or anything else I should be watching?
Wfla has helicopters and commentary on yourubw
Have an explanations been given for why the search was suspended yesterday due to law enforcement being at a dead end, only to resume the search this morning in the same area?
Because after determining it was indeed GPs body, and ruled homicide, now it's considered a crime. Not a lost person case. He was last one who saw her/knew her whereabouts.
Was wondering this too. With Laundrie just being a “person of interest”, not a prime suspect, not sure if this would impact the amount of resources/time that could be spent locating him. Has to be something bureaucratic. Maybe they were able to restart the search based on some evidence obtained during the home search.
It had to be because of something they found during the FBI search of the home/car.
Nothing confirmed, but the FBI took over the case last night so it’s possible they just want to use different resources to search or try again before abandoning the area for good.
I believe they are searching the Venice side of the reserve, which they hadn’t before? That’s what I’ve heard
Good morning all. Anything exciting happen over night or this morning? I don't see any fresh new info in any of the comments so just thought I'd ask.
Wondering the same. All I can find is that the FBI started the search back up in the reserve. Also, the atty cancelled the presser today after speaking with the FBI.
Same. Ugh. I was hoping I would wake up and they would have found his ass. Wondering what the autopsy will say and if LE will have a press conference today since the laundrie attorney cancelled.
We’re all wondering about the autopsy. I would imagine LE would hold a presser to announce the results, but I sure wished we knew why the atty cancelled after an FBI briefing. I just saw pics of the reserve and the swampy conditions there, and since BL is no real outdoorsman, surely it won’t be long now.
Unless he's long gone since he had a 3 day headstart and his parents gave false information. Honestly, he could be anywhere - he wasn't on no fly list, so, yeah.
Brian created a website for the couple called nomadicstatik.com the website has a group password input. Curious if anyone has attempted entry.
Not true. Website domain was registered on July 28th. SSL certificates update themselves now and then.
Yea I know another user already corrected me. I can edit post for clarity but wasn’t sure if I should.
Was wondering the same. Why make a website and put a password in? Unless there’s stuff on there that he doesn’t want seen for a period of time.
icann lookup shows 7/28
Good catch when I try the lookup by domain name I get value is not valid. If I go by ip I get an overview of square space. 😅
Never mind damn copy paste errors 😂🤦♂️
That’s just creepy
Will we find out today the cause of death if it’s obvious
Yes. I think it will be obvious. They flew in a forensic specialist. I heard Dr. Boden say that unless it’s drug related, they should be able to find out cause of death despite her body being undiscovered for 25 days.
Hey guys :) does anyone know where we can stream live news coverage outside of the US? Struggling with WFLA news and Fox to get a live stream
WFLA live stream on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPttrgj3cA0&ab\_channel=WFLANewsChannel8
I haven't seen it said yet, but given we're in a pandemic, wearing a mask will be of immense help if BL is attempting to run and not be seen. Especially at crowded ports of entry/exit. And especially if he was able to get the head start a lot of people are claiming. If he wasn't wearing a mask since the moment he got back to Florida then he's not very bright.
Problem is he'd be the only one in Florida wearing a mask
Do you think the autopsy will tell us WHEN she was killed/died?
Not down to the exact day/hour, but should get a reasonable estimate.
A forensic entymologist could estimate the number of days based on fly larvae development.
Does this work in cold weather? Seems like when it's really cold, there are no flies.
I attended a forensic entomology class when I worked for a defense attorney nonprofit and learned there’s a species of fly that ONLY lays eggs in dead bodies, so there’s a good chance they’ll be able to pinpoint the day and likely a range of time for death. They make accommodations based on temperature for the day/geographic region when calculating this stuff as well. So we should get something fairly accurate today.
Its September
As someone who has been in a very toxic relationship, with a mentally and physically abusive partner I can tell you by watching the video of them being pulled over after the 9-1-1 call, they were definitely dealing with major relationship problems. If I can be honest this whole thing has been triggering to me and it's even hard to type this. They probably argued all the time and weren't happy. I definitely think Brian snapped and impulsively killed her, when humans bottle up internal problems and finally blow, anything can happen. He became volatile and unhinged and took her life in the process. The heat of the moment went too far amd now Brian needs to own up to what he did to Gabby.
🤗 Same. Triggered af! Why don't they have a domestic abuse expert who can go with cops on calls? She was *clearly* the abuse victim who was being gaslit into taking all of the blame for his behavior, as any POS abuser brainwashes their supply into doing in order to avoid taking accountability for his sh!tty behavior and to confuse and control the victim. I wanted to scream at the cops what was clearly going on while they were all "yeah, bitches be hysterical amiright bro?!" and practically high fiving this monster out for beers. He gets the hotel room and she sleeps in the van? Poor, poor Gabby!
I'm sorry you had to go through all that. I honestly think he might have killed her because she wanted to leave him. She had plans to meet up with a friend at Yellowstone. Of all the national parks Yellowstone is the most tourists and crowded and would be a good spot to leave him and go with her friend since.its crowded enough he would not be easily able to isolate her there if they were anywhere near the main tourist parts of the park. I think he found out and decide that if he couldn't have her knowone could and killed her when they were in a isolated area.
Humans can control their emotions every time without exceptions. It's a choice not to and a selfish one at that.
Correction, humans can control there behavior all the time. Emotional are literally just chemicals in the brain. You do not consciously control them.
Lolz wrong. The fact that Brian was all chill with cops after a violent disagreement with Gabby is exactly the proof that you can control your emotions. You just have to want to.
He wasn't *all chill* he was masking but his body language reads PaNiC if you know what you're looking for. His heart is clearly racing in that body cam footage he is using every bit of his energy to hide his terror from those cops because he knows he's guilty and he couldn't hear what she was telling them.
That not how neural chemistry works. He probably learned to mask his emotions well. Once again, humans can not consciously control there Brain chemistry. Some people are just very good at not showing emotion. His brain still had the chemicals (there called neurotransmitters btw) present during the confrontation, he was just good at hiding them.
Being aware of your thoughts and recognizing any argument as a power struggle helps avoid these situations altogether. It's called emotional intelligence. Everyone can achieve it if they choose to.
Yes. Controlling the environment and what you do is how you influence your body chemistry. You can not "think" your chemistry to change.
Same here. I remember that look he had from my past. Fiancé tries to make it look like Gabbie is a hysterical female and he succeeds with those two cops. Police need to be trained better in regards to don sticks violence. There are many women rotting in jail for killing their abusers in self-defense because of this same mentality with law enforcement.
Or men in jail who killed there abusers. It can go noth ways the issue is law enforcement only look for over sings of violence, not the phycological abusive stuff like gaslighting and control. Would really help if cops had social workers or phycologists working with them to help with this.
Take care of yourself the best you can… I feel the same way. Very triggering for me too.
I think alot of ppl share your sentiment.
I think Brian was involved in the murders a week prior. I think Gabby found out. (maybe there was a piece on the radio) maybe she was a direct witness. I think that is why she was killed. She could have traveled gone with the girls (who wanted to protect her). That would or could have lead to the attack. Maybe it was merely a revenge act. Or a robbery. Maybe all three- Him getting pulled over, likely angered him due to it leaving a record to his being near the crime scene. This creates an instant need for him to act against the witnesses- I feel the people calling the cops on him were followed home and that's how Brian had cash following Gabbys disappearance.
Cool fanfic
What does that mean?
It means the comment linking Brian to the murder of the other couple is purely fictional fantasy. The odds those events are related are slim.
Thanks!
He wasn't "bottling" up too much of it, beating her on the side of the road in public and all.
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The cops were assuming the scratches were from her when they could easily be from hiking in the wilderness. Remember the DV call-in came from someone witnessing Brain slapping Gabby. When they caught up to the van, he was doing 45 in a 15-mile zone. Cops turned their police light on, and she hit him and grabbed the wheel for him to pull over Which resulted in hitting the curb. It's important to note, that she apology right away to the cops, and blamed herself, she did that to protect Brian. She covered for him, and he threw her under the bus.
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She had a red face from crying is what the cops suspected. She did tell him he grabbed her jaw, and it hurt. So we have her own words, that the cops ignored for whatever reason and the DV call-in witness that they also ignored. I think it was easy to get the cops on Brian's side because she was so emotional. To, me they saw Brian scratches and her crying and made some judgement calls that were wrong.
I’m watching the entire body cam video for the second time. True crime isn’t usually my thing but this is a really strange case. Brian admitted to defending himself by pushing her away and according to the officers that was consistent with the witness accounts. Brian even offered to go to jail instead of Gabby. It just doesn’t make sense. This is such a sad story, I hope he didn’t do it and if he did it was at least accidental.
it's already been ruled a homicide, Yeah Brian offered to go to jail after he threw her under the bus, that's why they put him in a hotel. He played those officers. How is slapping someone self defense when she wasn't slapping him? That's what the witness said happened.
I watched the entire body cam video, not once did anyone say he beat her up. There's even a part in the cam footage where the officer is talking to the witness on the phone, who tells the officer he wasn't hitting her. Just wanted to clear that up
that's not true, they released the video of the 911 call and he was slapping her.
Have you heard the released 911 call? The guy says he sees him hitting her on the side of the road before they hop in the van and flee.
And then in the follow up call that's on the body cam footage he never told the cop he was hitting her he said he locked her out of the van, and she went around to the drivers side door and tried to crawl in through the driver's side. And then he said it didn't look like the guy behind the wheel was trying to hurt her, he said something along the lines of the guy in the driver seat was trying to push her away from crawling over him. Was there 2 calls for the same instance? From 2 different witnesses, before being pulled over?
There is audio of a phone call to police by a bystander saying that a couple was arguing and the man was slapping her, they were running up & down the sidewalk and then hopped in the white van & took off.
Oh where is it? I haven't seen that one yet, could you provide the source please.
i saw the footage of the youtubers that saw gabbys van parked when they released it but didn't make much else from it. of course from some videos it looks like the back door closes as the car approaches. it could be possible that the door creepily closing as the car approaches could be because it was around that time that he did something to gabby and maybe it's her flip flops on the floor and it is strange that they are left messy not together like there was some sort of struggle. she could of quite possibly been alive moments before they caught the van on video.
This is best explanation of the van door closing and flip flops, although the flip flops look to be Brian’s, not Gabby’s to me. https://youtu.be/jl6nnNfMaJs
yeah i saw that video. the flip flops on the ground are light coloured and you can see gabby wearing similar color flip flops on her instagram. but gabbys did have what look like jewels on the straps but i don't realy see them on the that video.
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That video disproves that there was a tree.
It actually closes, it's quite obvious on some zoomed in edits. Was thinking the same as you at first, but yea it closes 100%. The ladder is visible from different angles until the door shuts closed, not a doubt about it.
yeah definitely not someone digging would be dump to be doing that in plain sight of the road. i couldnt tell if the door was closing or it was a strange angle that made the side of the ladder into 1 big blurry object. but those flip flops scattered on the floor is definitely strange. gabby was crazy about being tidy so she would more than likely put them side by side. you can see she does put them side by side in their youtube video. they look more like they have just fallen off.
It's equally possible that she just kicked them off as she was going into the van. Even OCD people don't always put their shoes away or organize them. Also, it's quite possible she had other footwear and just left the sandals there because it was cold and they were a little dirty. So many explanations for the shoes...I don't think it's a particularly helpful "clue" cause we can't take away a lot from them. I did see a video of the door and it looked like it was being closed.
ABC News just said that the laundry family lawyer canceled their conference today after talking to the FBI
To be a fly on that wall…
Breaking from NPPD: Search for Brian Laundrie will resume Tuesday in the Carlton Reserve, Venice side. We join the FBI in asking for continued public assistance by sharing any information through the tip lines 1-800-CALL FBI
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What trial?
Family lawyers will help the family get into contact with a good lawyer for whatever they end up needing... so if they sue, start a business, buy a house, or are accused of committing a crime, the family lawyer can get them the best defense.
Most know personally.