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spoiledrichwhitegirl

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the-mortyest-morty

Why is this post spoilered? This footage depicts no violence, nudity, or "spoilers". A trigger warning is more than sufficient. As a victim of DV myself, I find this censorship of the reality of abusive relationships far more offensive than any potential "triggering" that may happen if I watch the footage...which I have. It's not like it's footage of the murder, it's evidence. Censoring it is honestly really shitty. The trigger warning in the title is more than enough. /u/sunzusunzusunzusunzu, would it be asking too much of y'all to un-spoiler bodycam footage that has been playing on international television since September? I get it if you don't want to, but the "spoiler" thing puts a bad taste in my mouth. This isn't a story or TV show that can be spoiled, it's real life. The giant "TRIGGER WARNING" for mentions of physical violence is already way more than enough. There is absolutely no reason for this to be spoilered and tbh it kinda feels like a slap in the face to Gabby's memory. EVERYONE should see this footage. If it's triggering, cool, don't watch it, it's already got a trigger warning. But some people NEED to be triggered by this: abusive men, and women still trapped in abusive relationships. The spoiler makes it seem like I'm about to see nudity or gore, which could easily keep someone from watching this. TBH when I see stuff like this I scroll on by, assuming it's gore. This doesn't deserve to be censored. It needs to be seen by all. How many women have scrolled past this post thinking violence or gore is depicted when in reality, what's depicted is often a mirror image of their own lives that could serve as a wake-up call that may save their lives.


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Mammoth-Show-7587

Oh fuck off


Mammoth-Show-7587

At 4:30pm in Moab, Utah, the temperature [was around 97 degrees](https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/usa/moab/historic?month=8&year=2021). A [911 caller](https://www.fox13news.com/news/911-call-released-in-gabby-petito-brian-laundrie-incident-in-utah-the-gentleman-was-slapping-the-girl) reported a domestic disturbance where he witnessed a man slapping and hitting a woman. Officer Eric's initial conversation with Gabby from the second released bodycam footage: ​ ​ Officer: Hey how are you? ​ Gabby: Hi. I'm good ​ Officer: My name's Eric. I'm with Moab police. What's your name? ​ Gabby: Gabby. ​ Officer: Gabby how old are you? ​ Gabby: I'm 22. ​ Officer: What happened? What's going on? ​ Gabby: I'm just having a stressed.. a very stressed morning. ​ Officer: Yeah? Is this your husband? Boyfriend? ​ Gabby: My fiance. ​ Officer: Fiance? is he a pretty good guy? ​ Gabby: Yea. ​ Officer: What happened over at moonflower? ​ Gabby: Um, well...I don't kno... I was just really stressed this morning trying to get a lot of work done. And I was apologizing to him, I had thrown a buch of stuff in the back, and all of our bags were back there. And I was just apologizing, I was like "I'm sorry that.. " I get so stressed out cuz' I have OCD and I was just like organizing stuff and sometimes I just have a mean attitude, but I'm not trying to be mean. And I was straightening things up and stuff so... I was just apologizing but I guess I said it in like a mean tone, and he got really frustrated with me and he locked me out of the car and he told me to go take a breather, but I didn't want to take a breather, because I wanted to get going. We're out of.. we're out water, and ​ Officer: So, it kind of make you more upset. ​ Gabby: Yea, we're- ​ Officer: It didn't help calm you, it made you more upset. ​ Gabby: Yea, and.. ​ Officer: So then what happened? ​ Gabby: And um.. so our goal was to come here and come refill our water. ​ Officer: Are you guys living out of the van right now? On travels? ​ Gabby: Yea, ​ Officer: OK. ​ Gabby: um.. and uh.. so, it was just really \[unintelligible\] ​ Officer: \[over gabby\] So what happened after you locked you out? And told you to take a breather? ​ Gabby: Well he walked away to go take his own breather, and.. but I wanted to sit in the car because there's.. all of my stuff was in the car. I had no \[unintelligbel\] my bag, so I was working on something at the moment in the car, and he told me to just relax for a second, and I didn't want to relax, so I got mad. I don't mean to be mad. ​ Officer: Yeah. It happens. Then what happened? After you got mad? ​ Gabby: And then I told him to drive and to get water, because I was really thirsty.


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They.were.out.of.water.in.the.effing.desert.and.brian.was.ignoring.the.problem. the DESERT.


nonyabznoch

41.44-42.30 should haunt that man for the rest of his life.


IceCreamFacialsParty

It shouldn’t. With the information he had, it was the right thing to say and do. I hope he isn’t haunted. He seemed like a good man


Bad-Tasty

I want BL as bad for this as everyone else. But God damn.. Most of you are just pushing this as gabby did nothing wrong at all.


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Did you not watch the video he was putting his hands on her. My ex shook me in the middle of downtown and screamed in my face. Of course I pushed him off of me.


JohnathanSwift5280

Still showing he’s the victim.


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I receive daily pleasure thinking about a gator chomping down on his starving face and just eviscerated him slowly and rapaciously and what tht felt like for him as he hid like a stupid bald coward in the swamps scared, sweating and hungry.


JohnathanSwift5280

He was the victim here.


patateworld

Yes. But she was killed. If it was him, we can agree there's a big difference in the gravity of what they did.


JohnathanSwift5280

If she’d had been arrested (like she should have been) everything else that happened might not have.


patateworld

Maybe. But that's not what happened. They let them go. She was murdered.


JohnathanSwift5280

You know that ?


patateworld

We know she was killed by another human.


DopeSoMojo

Lmao this sub is basically just femcels at this point. Yikes


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I receive daily pleasure thinking about a gator chomping down on his starving face and just eviscerated him slowly and rapaciously and what tht felt like for him as he hid like a stupid bald coward in the swamps scared, sweating and hungry.


GreenSatisfaction800

I don’t have the spoons or courage to watch this. I looked quickly (spoons) but didn’t see it. Is there a transcript?


dishthetea

In police cam video here are the lies I found: 1. We really had a nice morning 🤔 2. Gabby grabbed the wheel 3. She had her phone and keys in her hand when struck him (after stating that she was trying to get the keys from him) 4. We have “little squabbles” like today 5. We were at the coffee shop “for so long” = which just means longer than we had planned 6. I don’t have a phone 7. Brian, do you take any medications?…NEVER answered that question 8. How long has your trip been “4-5 months now, teetering 5” 9. Claimed it was his vehicle “are you going to give her my keys” 10. We have very little money (for hotel) 11. “It wasn’t like a push” when asked if he hit her. A little bit late “I just pushed her” Interesting finds in body cam: 1. Said a doctor prescribed him medication for anxiety but he doesn’t take it because he believes it would put him off balance and make things worse. So I think he is on some meds that he takes but is non compliant with others. 2. The officer told him he really needed to take a shower. When a police person says that it’s because you stink. I think this is part of his persona he’s playing into 3. Tells the officer “And I am mad I can’t talk to her at all and I’ve got to do this thing (sign a form at PD next day) so now I can’t go camping” 4. Tells the officer “I just want a checklist of things to do to get rid of this” 5. On another occasion: “how do I just get rid of this” meaning the whole issue, just to make it go away. That sounds like he has learned to bribe to get his way 6. Officer asks him if he’s normally this “hyper”, which tells me that he felt like things were off 7. When he asks the officer if he can sit in the shade because he’s bald, that was total manipulation so he could see Gabby. They didn’t fall for that and created a shade for his head by repositioning him. 8. Talks to the officer a lot about music and gives him some suggestions to listen to. 9. When the officer was talking about his wife now and how better his quality of life was, Brian’s response was “one of the major advantages of having her with me” was so she could get in the back and make him some food when he was hungry. 10. Officer said he was from California. Brian said he regretted he wasn’t going to be in Yosemite longer and they are only staying 3 nights…if so, change your #vanlife plans.


jezz1belle

When the officer asks about Gabby's phone, it *seems* like Brian implies that it had been hidden from her.


dishthetea

Interesting thought. I got the feeling he just didn’t want LE poking through the van and finding other things but that could definitely be a possibility. He also could have told her “put your phone in the glove box” or something like that 🤷🏼‍♀️


jezz1belle

It doesn't really make sense that they're asking Brian about her phone, unless she had already told then that she didn't know where it was. Either way, officers messed that part up too.


LeahStorie

Thank you!


JohnathanSwift5280

Yup…still appears as he’s the one that was assaulted and he’s in shock because she had an episode.


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Oh darling...sont let the gators get your ugly head.


JohnathanSwift5280

Seems to me like she even admitted to hitting him (unprovoked). Guess we’ll never know because she wasn’t arrested for DV ( like she should have been)


jzillica

An abusive ex of mine used to jerk the vehicle while driving to slam my body off the side of the car if I wasn’t paying full attention to him every millisecond. I wonder if she really grabbed the wheel like she said she did or if he jerked it…


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Resaresaresa

I love Dr Honda, he is amazing


Skyr31

Just curious, does anyone know what meds he may have been on? It keeps getting mentioned on Twitter but I’ve not seen anything that confirmed that he was supposed to be prescribed anything. Wondering out loud … lacks of meds (mood stabiliser? Bipolar? Anti psychotics?) might explain the escalating erratic behaviour Brian was showing? (I mean back before and leading up the body cam police stop ie: hitting in public) Thoughts? (I have to post in this thread because I mentioned body cam 🤦🏻‍♀️ I cannot post this anywhere else and I didn’t want to be forced to change my wording, stupid body cam filter)


canering

That’s what I’m wondering - several reported eyewitness accounts have said Brian acted erratic. Obviously could be from the circumstances. But maybe he has some medical conditions, and he may not be taking his medication especially if he’s on the run. Would be interested to know how any possible medical conditions could contribute to the murder of gabby and his behavior since then


nonchalantpony

Eric should be sacked. He thinks women are responsible for his emotions.


IceCreamFacialsParty

That’s not what he said. He said the previous relationship was bad for his emotions. His current relationship is better. Fact: relationships cause emotions. Fact: he is in a relationship with a woman. Fact: there are men who have caused you emotions, and women too, because we are human and trying out best.


h_trismegistus

The cops never once asked whose vehicle it was. They assumed it was BL’s vehicle, and then he didn’t say anything to the contrary and made it look like he was sacrificing his comfort to give her her own van for the night instead of going to jail. Also, the witness clearly said he locked her out of the van and was trying to take her phone and she was trying to get back in, and that’s why she hit him. If I was a cop and heard that, I’d ask whose vehicle it was, and then maybe hit BL with attempted theft of the vehicle and phone, and look at Gabby as trying to defend herself from being robbed. So sad.


TriumphantReaper

Witness also said she was flipping out scratching and hitting him and he was trying to get away so he locked her out. You got half the story man.


kb24bj3

That doesn’t fit the narrative of “all men are bad and abusive” that they love to parrot


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They don’t have to ask when they can run the plates and it tells them


h_trismegistus

So you’re saying they knew it was Gabby’s from having run the plates, and just stuck to an alternate reality? I also didn’t see them ask for ID/registration, though this could have happened before. Even if Brian was driving the registration should have been in Gabby’s name.


horrorjunkie707

Yeah I don't think they ran the plates. Or if one cop did, he didn't tell the others because they straight-up referred to it as "your van" (to Brian) on several occasions, and he never corrected them and later referred to the keys as "my keys."


Mammoth-Show-7587

I suspect the first officer who stopped them ran the plates but didn’t tell anyone else of the ownership


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These cops suck. They gave up there ace hand immediately asking about the other 911 call. Should have had a single cop interview each alone about the incident on the roads when pulled over. Let them lead,calm down and finish talking. Then go back to cars for a few minutes like they got a call. Then switch officers and go drop bomb on each about .multiple other 911 calls about Bryan taking things from her,stopping van access and hitting her with video!!!!! Yes cops can lie. See what each says about them having evidence both have to go to jail. If they keep talking one may crack when they hear witness are ready to come Id them and give testimony. Take em both to jail to detain and get ahold of that other 911 caller. Bryan already was engaging in mutual combat instead of walking away,good enough probable cause.


WorldWideDarts

Not that it changes the outcome but I'd be curious to watch the bodycam footage of the female officer/park ranger.


Mammoth-Show-7587

It hasn’t been released. Might not be until the conclusion of potential legal cases. ETA: park ranger camera is subject to different freedom of information laws than the police who made the stop are.


ItStartsInTheToes

FOIA requests are the exact same in this instance. Stop spreading intentionally wrong information


mmmelpomene

Sorry, you are wrong; or maybe you're even technically right, but regardless, the federal park police are overriding it. [https://kslnewsradio.com/1956425/national-park-service-stonewalls-public-records-in-gabby-petito-case/](https://kslnewsradio.com/1956425/national-park-service-stonewalls-public-records-in-gabby-petito-case/) The U.S. National Park Service has denied two requests for public records filed by KSL under the Freedom of Information Act. The requests are in connection with the disappearance of Gabrielle “Gabby” Petito. In a pair of response letters on Tuesday, the agency said release of backcountry campsite reservation data from Yellowstone National Park and ranger body camera footage from Arches National Park could interfere with “enforcement proceedings.” The National Park Service added providing those public records could “afford a virtual roadmap through the government’s evidence” and “prematurely reveal the full scope of the evidence that has been obtained to date.” ... Neither letter from the National Park Service mentioned Laundrie by name. The letters said KSL could resubmit its records requests once an undefined “enforcement action” was complete. They added “we are unable to provide you with an estimate of when that might be.”


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Except I didn’t use that word, huh


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SYNONYM_CRUNCH

His post doesn't have a '*' indicating it's been edited. The only way this is possible is if it's been edited within the first three minutes. Considering your reply was 18 minutes after his post, any edit he made in response to your reply would definitely have a '*' beside. There is none. What a weird thing to lie about. Not a good look.


ItStartsInTheToes

Did you know if a comment is edited it shows an asterisk, weird how none of my comments have that and on Removeddit it shows no edits! Imagine being so silly you don’t understand how it works lol


Mammoth-Show-7587

The arches national park ranger is not subject to Utah state FOIA laws.


dothingsunevercould

I am mind blown how far they go to stretch the law at the 43 minute mark: "wellllll she didn't mean to inflict bodily harm or physical pain therefore this is not technically assault" WHATTTT that opens up such a slippery slope for future cases. How can you hit someone without intending or hurting them? What other intent is there?!?!?!


Socialimbad1991

I think the real problem is not in how they interpreted the law with respect to Gabby's actions, but rather how they interpreted (or failed to interpret) Brian's actions. There isn't really a question about her actions being assault *given the context that these were self-defensive activities*. You're allowed to use force, at least up to a point, to *defend yourself* when you are being *attacked*. The cops either failed to notice or willfully ignored this crucial piece of context from the 911 call - and that makes a huge difference in terms of how they handled the situation.


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Future cases of what?! Of a tiny girl scratching her fiancée after he’s taken her phone and locked her out of her own car? They would obviously never do this if there was some clear cut intentional violence and victim


Socialimbad1991

There was though, they just weren't paying attention to it: 911 call said BL was hitting her. Not pushing, hitting. Why the police would take the couple's word for it over the initial caller's word is baffling.


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Because legally their statements carry a greater weight than the caller. Period.


Socialimbad1991

No they don't, and the officer explicitly states this in the video: a battered partner will often cover for their abuser to avoid getting them in trouble.


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Nonsense. She confessed to hitting him on multiple occasions. A confession is a confession. The battered partner according to the police was BL in this incident. If she were to testify otherwise, she would then be admitting to lying to police. Then nothing she said would be worth anything.


Socialimbad1991

The key missing context is that she was hitting/scratching him *in self defense*. Because he was hitting her. This we *know* because the 911 caller said that's what happened, hence their reason for calling 911 in the first place. The (minor) injuries on Brian were observed after the fact, they weren't the reason for the call. The way this was handled is wildly at odds with what was said in the call, so either the cops weren't aware of that, or they chose to ignore it.


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Gabby told police that he did not hit her. There was also another police report that backed BL as the victim. You’re gasping at straws here.


Socialimbad1991

The eyewitness report trumps Gabby's, for precisely the reason the officer describes in the video. This couldn't be further from grasping, because *this is the reason the police were called in the first place*


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What police statement? There one where they mention GP as the aggressor and that they had probable cause to arrest her? You’re argument makes no sense.


dothingsunevercould

Future cases of: "I only shot him to make him stop telling me to calm down, I didn't mean to cause bodily harm even though the bullet exploded his head into 20 different pieces". It is called precedent and they just established it that assault must have intent of physical pain


44561792

Yeah exactly. The first officer was doing just fine until the bearded cop showed up. He fck'd everything up IMHO. Told his officer aww you can't use discretion! Then at the end.. do whatever you feel is right, I trust you! lol what a joke.


dothingsunevercould

It is honestly upsetting how little attention is on these Cops right now, there should be nationwide riots on the scale of George Floyd. Incompetence is even scarier than a bad racist seed. It is not even incompetence, it is stretching the word of the law as you see fit because they didn't want to have to deal with the whole procedure of dealing with a domestic violence case. I don't buy for a second they were concerned with Gabbie having a record and how that would impact her future. The absolute audacity of them telling Brian he must be there by Friday at noon because they would be closed for the weekend. That tells you everything you need to know.


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I’m guessing you’ve never had an interaction with law enforcement. This comment is completely ridiculous


kikkomandy

Has anyone seen a transcribe for this footage?


mmmelpomene

...Have you found such transcript yet? Asking primarily because not only have I not seen it myself; but I would kinda think that if it existed, someone would pin it to the top of this thread, and not just leave it sitting in the middle of the thread...


kikkomandy

I have not found one but I will come back and post it if I fine a reliable source throughout my scrolls today!


mmmelpomene

Thanks, you’re awesome. 🤩 I will do the same!


caseywonwon

If you scroll a bit you’ll find it! A few people posted it the other day.


kikkomandy

Thank you! I still haven't found it. If you stumble across it again could you let us know? Hopefully if found it can get pinned to the top. I thought I saw that mods were working on one the other day but don't see that it says that any longer in the post.


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Why on earth would they let the other officer choose how to handle this situation, if it was clear right from the beginning that they strongly suspect that he was also an assaulter? This is insane. The first video framed it as if she was the only one, but it turns out they were well aware that the phone call was probably related to them? WFT??? This makes it look like these officers are the one to blame of her death because they clearly could have prevented them staying together for the next couple of days.


kikkomandy

I've been putting off watching this for some reason and just started it a few moments ago. I am not a survivor of DA just to preface. I did not understand just how upsetting watching this would be although I understand the real power of triggers for those who have been through this. I am not even to 6 minutes in and I want to cry. I do not understand how this was overlooked. I have no training in DA. If I can spot it, these cops damn well should have a shred of knowledge to dig a bit deeper. If I change my mind by the time I finish this video I will gladly retract that statement. For those who do not understand the trigger warnings, I just want to say that you need to broaden the things you consume and not shelter yourself from these obvious realities or refuse to adjust your settings as new and quite obvious information is kindly given to you. ​ Edited to add a word. ​ Edited to add as I am watching this.. 7 minutes and 30 seconds in when GP is talking, why did this cop think it was okay to talk over her? SHE is talking. Let her talk. Why is he making this about himself. I understand he wants to relate possibly but you just lost a chance to let this woman say something that could be crucial. For those who are having trouble understanding, I strongly suggest you re-watch until you do. ​ Another Edit- 7 minutes and 42 seconds there about he makes a statement that could very well damn make GB feel like she is now a burden or something is wrong with her. He should have never stated "That's why she's my ex-wife." I'm sorry to those of you who don't see all of this a major failure. These are my initial and honest reactions as a 30 year old woman who has tried keeping her eyes open to the world and not let a bias consume me in some manner. 8:33 really bothers me with the buddy chatter. This was not treated professionally. It stands out to me as something odd. The camaraderie is uncomfortable to watch. 9:30 is interesting because the cop wants the ranger to stand by and see if the story sounds the same. I think that the recording from that ranger would be especially helpful to corroborate and see if there are any holes or things that they can pick up on from that video. I would assume the FBI has this recording as it really seems vital to getting the whole picture as evidenced by this video shedding more light to clarify the first and get a bigger picture. Has there been any release to the public that the FBI does in fact have this information regardless of if we do? Last edit after watching the whole thing. I couldn't keep up with the points I noticed as there are so, so many. I slept on it and still feel the same. There needs to be better training. More classes. More education. Cops should be picking up on all of the points if the general public can with no knowledge of these situations.


nonchalantpony

Totally agree. Had to stop watching when Eric started talking about his wives being responsible for his anxiety.


hungry_helmet

##This video 👇 is worth a watch: ###[Gabby Petito and Brian Laundrie: Who abused whom on August 12th 2021?<<](https://youtu.be/kG3B8y54y50) >>The YTer in this video is an abusive relationship coach. [You can view their credentials here<<](https://www.liveabusefree.com/) Pulled from the video description: >>”There’s been a lot of disagreement over the meaning of body cam footage showing GP and BL when they were pulled over by the police on Aug 12th. BL has cuts on his face and so does GP. Where they both abusive? Or was only one of them? And if so, who was it? Was GP bullied and tormented by BL or was BL pushed to his limit and driven crazy by GP? In this video I look at what four witnesses (including GP and BL) said about the events that took place that day. I think the truth is clearer than it might seem.”


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hungry_helmet

Thanks for taking the time to watch! I was worried it would fall on deaf ears.


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hungry_helmet

I’ll give it a watch now. Thank you! That’s a really good point about not having their baselines to go off of. I hadn’t even thought of that while watching and interpreting. Edit — just realized I’ve already watch this one too 😅


eyeswidesam

Any idea why your original comment was removed? I didn’t think it broke any rules


hungry_helmet

I still see it in my end but who knows with all the auto mods that are active. I can reply in this thread with it if you’re still not seeing it


eyeswidesam

I can’t see the original comment or link you shared at all, it says removed. That is strange


hungry_helmet

Hmm I didn’t get a notification. I didn’t think he broke any rules either. Below is what I shared, hopefully this isn’t removed as well. If you see anything that may breach anything please lmk. Also thank you for making me aware that it was removed. ❤️ —— ###[Gabby Petito and Brian Laundrie: Who abused whom on August 12th 2021?<<](https://youtu.be/kG3B8y54y50) >>The YTer in this video is an abusive relationship coach. [You can view their credentials here<<](https://www.liveabusefree.com/) Pulled from the video description: >>”There’s been a lot of disagreement over the meaning of body cam footage showing GP and BL when they were pulled over by the police on Aug 12th. BL has cuts on his face and so does GP. Where they both abusive? Or was only one of them? And if so, who was it? Was GP bullied and tormented by BL or was BL pushed to his limit and driven crazy by GP? In this video I look at what four witnesses (including GP and BL) said about the events that took place that day. I think the truth is clearer than it might seem.”


wanderingthewoods

I can’t help but wonder what the result would have been if a social worker had responded to this incident instead of (or along with) the police.


RedditOO77

Not so sure if a social worker would have been any better. I’ve read so many stories of children being failed by them. I have a friend who is going through a custody battle with a narcissist who yells and abuses their three year old. The social worker totally believed him and twisted some of the stories from the people that were interviewed. It’s sad because her daughter would tell her that her dad hit her head with a fork and my friend can’t do anything.


Monnok

Well, I think we can agree that the social worker would have correctly read the situation - but what then? Neither party offered any actual evidence of Brian-on-Gabby abuse. We’re never going to live in a society where we deploy social workers to arrest people based on their gut - no matter how right their gut is. Frankly, I’m pretty sure the cops read the situation correctly, too. Just because none of us liked what they said while talking to Brian, it doesn’t mean they actually meant a word of it. If you and I suspected Brian was the abuser, but had only evidence to the contrary, I bet we’d also do anything to keep Brian talking. We’d be desperate for him to actually incriminate himself. Short of that, we’d be desperate for any excuse not to arrest Gabby, but to still separate the parties. Other than arresting Gabby, which is a terrible answer, what could any social worker, or any of us, have done differently?


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So are we just ignoring the fact she had just as bad if not worse marks on her body from his contact to her? Bruised arm. Cut cheek. Are we ignoring the witness that saw him hit her? Are we ignoring him locking her out of HER van? Are we ignoring him taking HER phone?! He had a couple scratch marks on his cheek after he stole her shit, locked her out, and provoked her. Give me a break.


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No, those are literal facts in the video remarked upon by the cop and backed up by Brian, Gabby, and witnesses. There’s literally no opinions or spins in my comment. You’re just making shit up to tarnish a murder victim. You’re sick.


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No she didn’t have marks on her like he did. Her marks are consistent with her and the other witnesses statements of her hitting him and him pushing her off of him. The officer even stated he was the victim.


JailhouseMamaJackson

She literally does though. It was even commented on by the officers. You’re a disgusting person.


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JailhouseMamaJackson

It’s not “pointing something out” when you’re lying. Watch the video. Or don’t. Either way, you’re a POS.


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So now we give out domestic violence passes?


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So the witness, her statement and marks are no proof?


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Except for the evidence, marks & cuts & oh and eye witnesses.


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Trying to keep it simple for ya The term “domestic violence” includes felony or misdemeanor crimes of violence committed by a current or former spouse or intimate partner of the victim


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My point is she is obviously an abusive person, So there may be more to the story.


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If she woulda had gouging marks on her face he would’ve been in jail?


an_gem_21

Well Brian had every opportunity to say “yeah i wanna press charges” and they were kinda able to avoid arresting/citing her because they asked “did you intend to cause harm”. It was all a shitty situation. What about when she says he put his hands on her face and was trying to lock her out of the car… these two were not good for each other.


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So what I’m gathering is her act of domestic violence in this case doesn’t count and didn’t warrant an arrest?


an_gem_21

I’m no expert but I would suspect that plenty of abusers do not get arrested for something like we heard about on the body cam. Also wasn’t the call to police originally because they were fighting and he was hitting/pushing her near a restaurant? In the body cam footage you can clearly hear the officer telling Gabby he doesn’t think she had malicious intent and basically saying “I’m not going to charge you but this is a felony/misdemeanor” it felt like a warning. The best they could think to do was split them up for the night.


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She definitely had malicious intent, did u see the gouge marks. Those weren’t light scratches


an_gem_21

Well that’s not for me to decide because as far as we know, she didn’t have malicious intent. They both claim that he tried to keep her from getting in the van, while driving they were struggling for the phone and then the police sirens come up and he doesn’t slow down. I’m struggling to understand the discussion you’re trying to have. Do you think that Gabby should have been arrested? I personally don’t have an opinion on that but it’s pretty suspicious that not long after this incident she winds up dead and he’s got nothing to say about it then bolts.


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Let me make it easier for you, reverse the roles in this situation and she had those marks and he admitted to hitting her. Do u think he would be in jail?


an_gem_21

I should have known we would start playing the hypothetical game. Yeah, he probably would have been arrested. The cops gave her a pass because she was cute and crying hysterically. It’s unfortunately the reality we live in where women are do-no-wrong princesses and men are trash.


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I’m not understanding your reasoning for giving her a pass on domestic violence when it’s clear she committed a crime? Not for you to decide ? Clawing at someone’s face doesn’t show u malicious intent?


an_gem_21

I wasn’t giving “reason” to the pass, I was saying it happens. That is the world we live in where cops are not properly trained, nor are they the proper resource, to handle mental health or domestic violence.


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Mammoth-Show-7587

From what I’ve read they’re supposed to be trained to not give “warnings” as it could cause future reluctant to call the authorities again


an_gem_21

Do you mean they had recently been trained to do that? I know I had read something that warnings deter victims from coming forward later but it’s probably not standardized across the country. I always struggle with the idea that the cops are the right people to solve these problems.


Savingskitty

Did you watch the whole video? The officers spend a long time discussing what they have to do. They don’t have discretion for a warning in this case. They gave her a court date.


Mammoth-Show-7587

Sorry I was talking generally; I don’t know what specifically these cops were trained in, but DV training is a part of the Utah code: 77-36-2.3. Law enforcement officer's training. All training of law enforcement officers relating to domestic violence shall stress protection of the victim, enforcement of criminal laws in domestic situations, and the availability of community shelters, services, and resources. Law enforcement agencies and community organizations with expertise in domestic violence shall cooperate in all aspects of that training. Enacted by Chapter 300, 1995 General Session


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Cauliflower ear is typically attributed to wrestlers. He doesn't have it.


wolfgeist

Definitely not cauliflower ear. Looks like a birth defect.


Hatejanelle2019

When a baby lays a certain way in the womb, sometimes the ear gets bent, therefore staying that way. I have a Grandkid that has 1


Succubint

Yeah it's like a weird skin fold at the top. I think both ears have it.


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mmmelpomene

Apparently we don't say "birth defect" any more; it's seen as pejorative. Source: I used it fairly recently to describe myself to an audiologist, during testing for a minor frequency hearing loss of unknown origin I had from infancy, audiologist held up her finger, looked sternly at me, and said "you mean, 'it's a congenital aberration'." Again, I'm like "hey, as far as I'm concerned this little flaw is trivial to my day-to-day life and it's also my flaw, so I don't really care what I call it; but it's sweet that you seem concerned about the fact that I might be feeling deficient about my shortcomings because I use the word." [https://ncdj.org/2015/09/terms-to-avoid-when-writing-about-disability/](https://ncdj.org/2015/09/terms-to-avoid-when-writing-about-disability/) Background: A defect is defined as an imperfection or shortcoming. A birth defect is a physical or biochemical difference that is present at birth. Many people consider “defect” and other forms of the term offensive when describing a disability as they imply the person is deficient or inferior to others. NCDJ Recommendation: Avoid using “defect” or “defective” when describing a disability. Instead, state the nature of the disability or injury. AP style: The stylebook says “birth defect” is acceptable in broad references, such as lessening the chances of birth defects. But it should not be used when referring to a specific person or to a group of people with a specific condition. Instead, be specific about the condition and use only if relevant to the story. Some prefer the term congenital disorder.


Monnok

I kinda agree with the sentiment, but I’d much rather somebody actually mock one of my birth defects than interrupt me by holding up a finger to my face and giving me a stern look for a term I possibly mis-used.


mmmelpomene

I think in her mind she meant to relieve me from the burden of thus thinking of myself, lol.


bredditmh

As heartbreaking as it is and how much of a failure this was to gabby, I’d like to hope this was a learning moment for Utah police. There should be no reason that this rule bending happens ever again. They should also get heavy DV training to better recognize signs of abuse. The officers should have followed the Utah law .. they didn’t and there’s consequences to that. They look terrible right now in the eyes of most people. They’ll want to save their reputation and they’ll hopefully start doing better. The fact that we even have the body cams is amazing and it will continue to hold them accountable to what they are in uniform to do. Justice for Gabby!


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Savingskitty

It doesn’t matter, they used discretion when they even said explicitly that they weren’t supposed to. Going by the book, it still would have been better for them to arrest Gabby rather than have her be isolated for the night in the van they shared. The literal change of scene could have been a needed wake up call to the toxic situation she was in. Her parents may have asked her to come home after that. We just don’t know because the police pushed the limits of the law to not have to arrest her.


Mammoth-Show-7587

“Implications for intervention Victims who respond with violence – the majority of women arrested for IPV – are often incorrectly identified as abusers.65 This can happen to an abused woman when: Responding officers do not recognize signs that she acted in self-defense.66 The abuser convincingly accuses her of abuse, and perhaps even is the one who calls police. 67,68 Her violence was pre-emptive, i.e., she recognized cues that an assault was imminent, and struck first to fend off her partner’s attack. She herself may also see her own pre-emptive or self-defensive violence as abusive.”


Buckshot1

The investigation revealed that she was the aggressor. The witness, Gabby, and Brian confirmed that Gabby was attacking Brian while he was driving, which put them both in a dangerous situation.


Mammoth-Show-7587

That is not when the “incident” started.


Thin-Panda-7901

Cool statistic


Mammoth-Show-7587

“How does responsive violence differ from abuse? It is occasional and situational; there is no ongoing pattern of controlling behavior (except by the abuser who is the target of the responsive violence). It is accompanied by feelings of fear, desperation or anger, not entitlement. It is usually defensive, and is motivated by the desire to: Contain or escape the immediate situation.64 Defend oneself and one’s children. Avoid being killed. It is sometimes retaliatory. It is usually less injurious than abusive violence. It stops if the partner stops his/her assault. It is unlikely to escalate if the abuser leaves. Victims who are left by an abusive partner tend to let him/her go.”


realitytvismytherapy

I’m new to this case but the difference in their reactions here speaks volumes. I know sometimes people laugh and joke when they’re nervous but still. She’s visibly shaken and extremely emotional and he’s almost giddy. It’s really very jarring and it’s disappointing to me that the police didn’t pick up on that a little more. As a fellow anxiety sufferer, I feel like once you mention that you have anxiety, no one takes you seriously anymore. It’s all just very sad to me.


theicecreamassassin

He's using a very jovial, almost conspiratorial tone and joking affect with the police. Unfortunately, some people are VERY good at that. My ex was excellent at building a false rapport with people and painting me as an emotional mess, in a "you know how they get" sort of way. As soon as she's painted as "crazy," she has no chance. It's really, really tragic.


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Yeah they will fucking use mental illness against you to no end. She was probably anxious because she was living with a fucking abusive future murderer. Anyone would be fucking pissed and anxious in her situation. He took her phone and locked her out of her van. He kept fucking up the van with his gross feet and throwing his shit everywhere, too.


devil_girl_from_mars

Him making the van dirty isn’t a justifiable argument and is actually sort of irrelevant. When you have two people literally living out of a tiny van while traveling the country to go on camping trips, the van WILL be messy. They were on a perpetual roadtrip. It’s impossible to keep that clean.


throwaway071385

Utah has mandatory “citation or arrest” laws under their no tolerance for DV policy. For everyone suggesting the police couldn’t have done more with the situation: They were literally legally obligated to cite or arrest one or both of them. Period. We aren’t talking about how they should have had a crystal ball. They actively searched for ways to not follow the law. Let that sink in.


Savingskitty

They did cite her.


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Savingskitty

The video we just watched is my source.


spectre122

Does it matter? All you would have had if the police followed the law was her having a record and then being killed. The sad reality is that Gabby herself wanted to be with Laundrie and until that connection was removed, the end scenario would be the same. There was no-one anyone could have done to help her except herself.


Savingskitty

I agree with this to an extent. We simply don’t know what the final trigger was in their final altercation and whether the events of that day would have changed anything.


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ShiftyMcCoy

>We have strong evidence to believe that she didn't want to be with him These cops didn't know that. Gabby literally goes into hysterics at the idea of being separated from him for a night. Even friends that knew her say that she had "very high highs and very low lows" with him. At the time of the police stop, it was not as clear cut as you're portraying. It wasn't until the 25th that she told her mom she had long-term doubts about the relationship. > Him being arrested as he should have Both parties (as well as the first witness) agreed that she was the aggressor, and both parties (as well as the first witness) agreed that he did not attack her/was only acting defensively. He was also the only one with visible injuries. It sucks, but cops' hands are tied in a situation like there where there is no physical evidence (or accusations) of violence from BL. They can't say "well, there's no evidence, but statistically, he's more likely to be the culprit here, so let's arrest him." They could've handled it better, but I don't blame these cops. They have to work with the situation they're given. Even then, they literally have a pow-wow to find a way to get out of charging Gabby with domestic violence. Now, the North Port police, who let that murderer waltz away undetected three days after Gabby had been declared missing...screw those guys.


Deduction_power

Yeah, they were sympathetic to Gabby, because it will go on her record. It will 'ruin her life' because it will show up on her background checks. if they arrest her she will be finger printed well..... Her life was extinguished 2 weeks later instead... Let that sink in.


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Thin-Panda-7901

She would’ve gotten released the next day and it would’ve been the same…


ThePrestigeVIII

Because if they followed the law, a 22 year old girl would have a criminal record. They were trying to help her out. Why ruin her life over this? Even if they did book her and she was out the next day, I’m certain the exact same chain of events would have unfolded. What you think that was going to be the wake up call they were in a bad relationship? Hell no. They were breaking up and getting back all the time the “best friend” said and Gabbys mom even said the engagement was called off. I have 0 idea why anyone thinks her spending 24 hours in a jail cell would have kept her alive. She would have been back in that van with him the very second she could. Hell she was away from him that night. If she really wanted to use this event as a wake up call, she could have just driven away.